Áno,takto je100% pravda=istina,Sloväni nemigrovali,Sloväni zaujímali celé Európske územie a časť Ázie a ľahko splývali s okolitými cudzími národmi,čo je pre mňa záhada.No tým si zachovali celistvú autochónnosť na obrovskom území.Zvíťazila Slovänská prispôsobivosť a vynaliezavosť.Tým pádom Slovänské gény sú najvariabilnejšie zo všetkých známych národov.Touto svojou variabilitou a životaschopnosťou si Slovänský gén R1A dokonale zabezpečil hegemóniu,od neho sa odvodzuje sekundárny R1B Germánsky gén
Nehite že z temi slovani to je en velik nateg panslovanskega gibanja pred prvo svet. vojno pa do razpada juge . Žalostn je da se te pravlce še dons otroke uči v šolah . Slovenci mamo bol mal slovanske krvi .
@MultiMetaldemon Stari slovenci in vsi ostali ljudje na svetu smo eni taki lepi mešanci narodov da si ne moreš misliti. Na našemu ozemlju so živeli: Japodi, Kelti, Rimljani, Langobardi, Avari, Obri, Iliri, Franki, Germani, Veneti, Wendy Čeprav Wendy in Veneti so isto ljudstvo. Tako, da zdaj pa povej kdo so bili naši potomci? Meprov zanima Polovica tel ljudstev je pa izumrla, ker se ne govori več njihovega jezika. Beseda Slovan je pa nastala v 19. stoletju od Češkega znanstvenika
Maloštevilčne Ilire preženejo ali asimilirajo vdori Keltov. Japodi, Histri, Tavriski...to vse so bila plemena Keltov. Rimljani niso nikoli kolonizirali slovenskega ozemlja, ampak romanizirali staroselsko keltsko prebivalstvo, ki je živelo in upravljalo z Emono, Petovio, Celeio...Langobardi samo prečkajo slovensko ozemlje in se izselijo v Italijo. Franki pod Karlom Velikim integrirajo že naseljene Slovane v Frankovsko kraljestvo. Tukaj pa se ne naseljujejo.
Slovani se Avarom in Obrom uprejo. Nastane Samova plemenska zveza. Po njegovi smrti pa Karantanija, kot prva slovanska kneževina, kjer veliko večino prebivalstva tvorijo naseljeni Slovani. Nekaj malega je tudi belih Hrvatov, Vlahov, Dudlebov, Germanov in romaniziranih staroselcev...večino pa tvorijo Slovani.
Na današnjem slovenskem prostoru pa se rodi še ena slovanska dežela pod imenom "Carniola". To pa je latinsko ime za Kranjsko.
@VTBbank zakaj pa "napačno". Madžari nas Prekmurce še danes imenujejo Vendi in nas zato nič "narobe" ne označujejo.... Problem imate "zgodovinarji" v teh trdih glaveh, kajti še niste spoznali, da "Vendi" niso bili nobeno germansko pleme, temveč stari Slovani... Veneti, Venedi, Iliri prav tako...
Kolikor vem (Vend, Venden, Veneden, Winden, Windisch...) niso nikakršna ljudstva, ampak termini s katerimi so v preteklosti razni srednjeveški kronisti in pisci (od cerkvenih do upravnih) napačno poimenovali naseljene Slovane v svoji neposredni bližini. Veneti so bili eno izmed antičnih italskih ljudstev, ki je imelo indoevropske korenine in soroden jezik z drugimi Italiki (Latini, Sabini, Marsi, Umbrijci, Kampani, Samniti...), ki so poseljevali Apeninski polotok.
@VTBbank "Anti, Veneti, Vendi, Venedi, Enedae, Vendae, Wenden, Vindi, Saba, Sheba(Shiva), Sabini, Savi, Sabi, Sabeni, Gog in Magog, Reti, Raseni, Hetiti, originalni Akadci, Skiti, orig. Feničani(Veneti), Lidijci, so BILI stari Slovani."Slovan" je izmišljena beseda, ki je nastala baje nekje na češkem... jezik se je razlikoval, kot se razlikuje še danes
Tako je npr. Etruščanska beseda "Tula" pomenilo "ogenj" - besedo boš našel v Estonščini; vendar je pomenila "Tleči ogenj" (Tula -"Ultima Thule")
Pleme Venetov, ki je poseljevalo današnjo področje Veneta in Furlanije Julijske krajine je prišlo v Italijo v bronasti dobi. Tako antični Veneti nimajo nikakršnih povezav z Slovani, ki pridejo prvič na področje vzhodnih alp šele v 6. stoletju našega štetja.
Naravnost blazna in monstruozna pa je povezava Slovanov z Etruščani. Etruščani so prazgodovinsko ljudstvo, ki je poseljevalo področje današnje Toskane. Njihova pisava še danes ni razvozlana, ker ni indoevropskega izvora.
@VTBbank kakšna "monstruozna" neki. Monstruozno je "razumevanje" Etruščanskega jezika skozi neko Grščino (tudi stara grščina je vlekla slovanske in sanskritske vzporednice) in Latinščino. Etruščan pomeni "Et" (to je ) - "eto " Ruščan ali Raščan, med tem ko so Etruščani sebe imenovali Raseni (RASA); RASA pomeni Rasa in njen glagol je Rasti ali Rosti (od rojstva) - kot otrok; Rimljani so podedovali besedo "Tabula RASA" ("nepopisan list papirja" - mladi, rojeni človek). Rosti so Rusi
Kaj pravzaprav hočeš s temi abotnimi mitomanijaškimi budalaščinami meni dokazovati ? Mogoče pokazati kakšno skrito subliminarno sporočilo, da je bil Konstantinopel nekoč slovenski oz. etruščanski ?
Pričakujem še kakšno knjigo tistega norega Rusina - Jurija Venelina, ki jo je ponatisnila privatna založba Šavlijevega Jožeka.
Pred nikomer ne bežim, še najmanj pa pred vašo takozvano "resnico". Njej pa se postavljam po robu samo z jeklenim rezilom stroke, ki boleče zareže v vaš romantični svet mitologije.
Etnogeneza Etruščanov je zapletena. Pojavljajo se teze, da so prvi naseljenci še iz časov neolitika. Stroka pa zagovarja tezo zlitja primitivnih kultur s kulturami iz Male Azije (predvsem zaradi nekaterih prvin v njihovi religiji). Vsi pa so enotnega mnenja, da Etruščani niso indoevropskega izvora. Tako že po zdravi kmečki logiki nimajo nikakršnih sorodstvenih vezi z Slovani.
@VTBbank In german medievil chronicles polish prince Mieszko I is called "Rex Polanorum, Vandalorum, Gothorum", Lusitian Serbs today are called by German- Wenden" Russian in fin language are Venalaiset. In early medievil near polish city Szczecin was city on water Wineta, near Slovenia is today city on water Veneto. We have legend about quenn Wanda also bizantic chroniclers wrote that old name of Slavs is Venets. In IV century Vistula Veneti were conquer by Sarmatian and choose new name: Slavs
@Slawnikowic Do not spread this disinformation, "slavs" is 19-th century term invented by scholars to group several east-european ethnic groups by common attributes. No "slavic" nation called themselvs "slavs' except one.
No "pure" races.... Silly thoughts... There are differences... Different degrees of inter-relation and "cousin" affinity BUT certainly no purity... and self identificaton and language and/or religon can be misleading.... Certainly there were Slavic tribes, which were relate to Germanic tribes fairly closely, and they all mixed before (and later, where much of east Germany and Bavaria can be "Slav" if you will). So if you are Polish you might have German and Balt in you. and a touch of mongol
Slavs were also called in the Bible as "Gog and Magog". Other names were "Sabians, Savians, Sclavens,Shivaits, Phoenicians, Etruscans, Veneti, Anti, Drevlians(drevo), Lydians(Leto, Lada), Trojans (Enedae)
So what does this book talk about regarding our origins? I've been confused for a long time, are we Slavs a people and race? Or do we just share a similar language and are all from different origins, I don't really get it.
present day Slavs are in no way an consistent race. Some have different origins. It seems that also ancient Slavs were merely cultural consequence (Curta).
However no race is a pure race, so it is not a perfect job to answer your question correctly.
Of course the Slavs as a group had much more input in EU history as many would want to recognise.
Croatians are basically Sclavenes (Illyrian), but there name and influence came from Medieval tribe of Rvati. See vramec and other croniclers who clain that Croatians came in 7th Century and settled among Sloveni (hence their genes must be merely Sclavenic). Bulgarians and Russians seem to have less Sclavenic origin than the others. Of course now all are judged merely on their language, but this is not historically the same.
Slav is a modern term. It was invented. And yes we read also that those are related, but we need to analize the period when these words were written in and the background of their author. And yes, some clain that those three tribes were the some, some claim it is only a simplification.
@urednik1 As far as Haplogroups go it shows Croats are about half (just over half) Illyrian/Balkanic and half (or just under half) Slavic, or R1a which is found in Slavic countries as a great majority.
@Khorne676 Slavs came from other tribes. The western Slavs (Venedi or Veneti) lived in Venea, when (V)Anti lived in the east, part of Sarmatia, Scynthia (also old Troyans or Illios - which comes from Slavic "Vilios" or "Veelos" or "Volos" (Vol or Veles; "Bull"; also check about Hittite Bull symbol and Hittite Perun ..they were all neighbours...)
Slavs are white race (R1 haplogroups )... in fact all white race are old Slavs (different White tribes that came from North pole)
@halo3film ...The most interesting thing about them though is that, although they are ridiculously long, they were not written, but remembered by the singer, and passed from generation to generation, for centuries. This Serbian poetry was used to prove that Homers poems were based on facts, because European scholars thought that no poem that long could be preserved accurately without being written. U zdravlje...
@halo3film if you recognized Serbian language in that way, and you are absolutely right, unfortunately not many people is aware of this, you should read Serbian epic and lyrical poetry in Serbian. It is a pinnacle of epic poetry in history, recognized by many scholars including Goethe. Songs are incredibly long and narrative, with very strict and difficult metrics and unique figures, meant to be sang with a simple Serbian string instrument called Gusle with just one string....
...it is very difficult to say anything 100% sure, still I believe that truth will come out somehow. From what I know, Slovenes (of Slovenia - country) are much more closer to Czechs and Slovaks than to Croats and Serbs ethnically. Just remember everyone to be cautious about this things since loving your nation and history and learning about the truth, doesn't mean hating others. Being to much involved in differences led to many wars and pain. Love to all Slavic brothers, were are one!
inwards, and than again. There is also evidence that Turks used to call all Slavic peoples Serbs, but that could be appointed to the fact that the first Slavs they met were Serbs. There is some more interesting phenomena like that that Serbian language has more similarities to Sanskrit than any other European language, and that is incredibly rich language by the number of words, which means that it is very old. More than for example English which is much more literary used in recent centuries...
are more of a Slavophonic nation, meaning that they speak in Slavic language, than they are Slavs. Anyway there are lots of different crazy theories of origin of Serbs and Croats, including aliens and similar stuff, but it could be truth that in some way Serbs and Croats are maybe some kind of forefathers to other Slavs, since there are many evidence that there were not one movement to Balkans by Slavs form 6-9th century but rather many movements and exoduses from Balkans outwards and...
...The fact is that Serbs and Croats (including here undefined Bosnians and Montenegrins which are a branch of Serbs) are anthropologically different than other Slavic nations. Main difference physically is cranial index or head type if you will. Serbs, Croats... possess the most extreme type of brachicranic index, square head, while slavic type has mostly dolichocranic index, round head. I remember my university professor of Physical Anthropology saying, you know, very silently, that Serbs...
Not in 9th but first in 6th and 7th century, but anyways that's probably not true, because that theory has holes like Swiss cheese. Yes there was a White Serbia were some Serbs lived, and still live today as small population of Sorbs. There seem to exist a difference between Serbs and Croats with other Slavs. This is actually a taboo theme in scientific groups in Serbia, while in Croatia is a very popular theme...
I had no idea Curta was such an expert on this subject. He's my Medieval Archaeology professor this semester and I always skip his class because he's such a fast talker and I can't really understand him. Maybe I should go to class more often...
@halo3film It means that Serbs had big exodus in late middle age. Serbs cannot be related to Poles or Russians since Serbian nation is Older than both of them and its a shame that people avoid this truth. Check that information please and than we can speak about more serious things.
I can not give you a clear answer. There are all kinds of theories about that.
Common sense says Serbs are autochtonous in the Balkans and Sorbs in Germany, and because they all speak Slavic languages they might be related. But this are merely assumptions. I still claim that the Balkan Sclavenes are aborigins of this territory and they settled in the north and east first after big wars (pre AD). Where the later Slavs in the NE EU assimilaterd or only descendants of Sclaveni? whoknows
there are many theories about these people. Most sense seems to have a view that Sclavenes are indigeneous, whereas Sorbs are either another linguistically assimilated or even related people. I can not say anything for sure. As it seems Serbs remain a lot of indigeneous structures.
I agree with you in some way. But what was written in The Making can not be misinterpreted.
And I do not see any good future for the Aromanian theory to evolve and become widely accepted. It just don't make any sense that everything is Slavic there ...
It will be very good to have an english translation (subtitle) of this extract of Milenko's late night show. The macedonian subtitle is very poor so even myself cannot understand it easily.
as Roman, I'm surprised to see how can be all the slavic language similar : this doesn't happen with Romance language: for an Italian is impossible to understand a French or a Rumenian!
No I dont understand....ogenj - oganj... Words have been remade and changed over the years,that cannot be good evidence of wether we really were or were not Veneti... Just out google for serbia veneti,there will be a lot of result,check it out,it might not be true,but it has a lot of good points..
North Croat people from Slavonija, kajkavci and Medzimurci do not speak totally serbian language... there is some connection with serbian language (also slovene language has some, since migrations of serbs in Bela krajina) but not so powerful than in southern areas. With turkish invasions towards the north were serbians forced to retreat into these regions... and so was this land become let's say partial assimilated with serbian language But people lived in peace. (until...)
also forgot to mention the word "VEDA" which means in Slovene and Lithuanian language knowledge... like in Vedas (Veda) arian(understand this word please as an original form - pure, peaceful, also as a word "rja, rjav" which can also mean a color -brown, or rust... and rust was an ancient symbol of generosity. )
So i think there must be some ancient connection among these cultures from the east Punjab region...
This is very good book you can read a begining ask me for link :) What is best (at least for me) is that author isn't slovene AND support veneti theory! This somehow proves that veneti theory isn't just national propaganda as alot of people think but important theory that can confirm, rejects or helps to many other theories.
Ne bih se mogao više složiti s ovom tvrdnjom! I zapamtite, u nauci važi pravilo da je obično najprostije rešenje problema u 90% slučajeva i ono pravo! Dakle, što prostije, to verovatnije. Prema tome, ne verujem u ove ultrakompleksne nove teorije koje niču kao gljive posle kiše...
ja niso pa povedal ker morjo bit "strpni", da so srbi in posebaj hrvati pršli točn takrt in so izrinl PRAVE slovane in posredno venete slovence. na hervardih mas dobr razlozen k se takoj vid kako smo slovenci zgublal ozemle
ancient Hetite people were germans. and ancient veneti lived near adriatic coast, vends came from north with "vandals" and from Lithuania, Belorusian region and both nations; vends and veneti were conected with amber's road. but that was long time ago. once upon a time, "there was only one language, and god mixed their language, so they did not understand their brothers"
Problem is, how the hell was that so called "Slavic language" so damn "superior" or should I say "stronger" that it completely changed the whole linguistic chart of Europe.
For some folk who lived in "swamps", and never supposed to be heroic conquerors that's quite astonishing.
dialects are always related if we see from that perspective. In Macedonia Northern Dialects bordering with Serbia should have similiarities with Serbian dialects bordering Macedonia. It's a natural thing everywhere in the world. For instance my Macedonian dialect is similar to the Macedonian dialect that borders with Pirin Macedonia( now day under Bulgarian rule) .It's all natural, and speaking of dialects there's no stereotype of "this word is Serbian,Bulgarian, Slovenian,Croatian..etc"
Croatian dialects are very, very interesting from historical and linguistic point of view. It's not just similarity near borders. First of all Croatian has 3 main dialects. Slovene has 37 main dialects and country is half the size of Croatia. There is more similarity between standard Croatian language and Serbian than between these three dialects. Croatian Kajkavians understand Slovene speaker more than some Dalmatian Croat.
it's all about regional distance, even an official (literal) language in my opinion in any country is based upon a dialectical speech. Macedonian official is based upon Veles/ Prilep dialect. But Croatians must have also many dialects, as if we say people from Vukovar, Zagreb, Dubrovnik , Krapina etc must have it's own authentic pronunciation and speech. By the way have you ever read Vinko Pribojevic , a Croatian historian or writer? He splits Slavs into: Illirians, Dardanians, Veneti..etc
@SloveintzWend good to see you again :) slavs are "indingenous" to europe, this crap started in the 19th centuary, I believe with ignorant german historians. Its old knowledge that they made up most of central europe that the germans now occupy, so I can see why even the historians can make an erroneous link as them being "invaders" if they didnt know prior history or had some gaps in their education.
if we get into roots who know where we will get to
just plain and simple
we know that Ancient Macedonians existed long time ago and when the Slavs slowly came from the north-east they settled and mixed with the ancient Macedonians and made what today is Macedonia
If you mean language, Slovenian is closest to Croatian Kajkavian dialect, less to Čakavian and least of all to Štokavian. It also has many west Slavic (Czech, Slovak) features.
While I do respect Florin Curta's efforts to reconcile various autochtonistic, separatistic and nationalistic movements it certainly does not justify new historical fabrications and keeping old historical truths under wraps.
I doubt that he truly believes in his own theories.
There was nothing peaceful about Slavic invasion nor about Byzantine response and especially about Byzantine revenge against civilian Slavs after Slav betrayal.
It would be interesting to hear about Mardaite arrival though.
Well it depends on which event you had in mind. I am sure Curta had no other goal than trying new solutions. Of course I do not agree fully with him either - but it is anyway interesting to see a scientist who do not blow in the same horn as majority of others does.
I was referring to his idea of Slavic latent infiltration into Byzantium. I have nothing against new solutions and revolutionary ideas but he's on the verge of alternative history.
Sure, many Balkan historians as well as Christian clerics might be inclined to embrace his theory in the course of perpetual glorification of Byzantine Empire but I'm afraid that historical reality is far less peachy and another historical misconception would just bring us more ignorance and less self awareness.
I mentioned Mardaites because of their significance to this particular historical moment; after the peace treaty with Arabs, Byzantines brough Mardaites of Arnanus to replenish their military forces against Slavic and Bulgar invaders and settled them in Epirus after conquering the invaders.
I understand your point of view, thogh you did not seem to have read his book entirely.
What you are saying about Mardaites is just a military episode not changing any major historical fact.
Do you know exactly what Curta is actually talking about?
And to sbd else - here is no place for offensive comments. Please join some nationalistic websites in order to speak that way. Sorry - but I had to delete your post.
Honestly, I didn't have the opportunity to read his book but was merely commenting quotes I picked up from your video.
After I went through the video again I see that he wrote about a longer period. I mistakenly tend to think about Slav invasion as the final struggle between Slavs and Justinian's army but after I heard the quite from "The Miracles of St. Demetrius" I see that it's actually documented that Slavs were quite accepted. I was convinced that Byzantines mostly loathed Slavs.
There's was no such thing as "Slavic" invasion. But the inhabitants on the Balkans became to be called "Slavs" or in English "Slaves" as they became slaves of Eastern Roman Empire . The Term Slavic is probably an A.D term for the same ancient inhabitants. I believe that the indigenous inhabitants on the Balkans were the so called A.D "invaders" - "Slavs" . Also another DNA study showed how some halotypes present in South Slavic groups were absent in North and West,which proves South are old
Balkan Slavs are just the part of a larger group of people who also happen to call themselves "Slavs" in their respectful languages.
"Sloven" is derived from Sanskrit "shravan" (to hear) which is closely related to "slavan" - glorious, famous, praised, heard of, having to do with Slavic boastfulness. Thus, Slavic "slava" celebrates patron saints throught their praise.
DNA moves around along with people so its study must be acompanied by genetic archaeology to have any historical significance.
The Proto-Slavic people are proven now to be part of the Haplogourp R1a, this is High in all Slavic countries except Serbia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria. It is still there but is not High. Serbians and Bulgarians and Macedonians are mostly the Indigenous people that lived in that are, but were stripped of there culture by the Romans, So then they adopted a Slavic cuture from the Slavs that invaded the area.
Slavic history is held in serbian libraries that are tryed to be destroyed by arians and you will never sucess to destroy the old people we r anyway you just dont understand - also Russia is not stupid
Please do not give such offensive comments. Every race is human. And what is more - every race is mixed with different people. Let us forget to divide.
inventing of history
discouniverse 2 months ago
@discouniverse which part would that be?
urednik1 2 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 4 months ago
Slovenian language sounds so sweet! Слава Роду!
ThePhotobot 4 months ago
watch?v=Xi0zcR6VVS0
Слава Роду!
ThePhotobot 4 months ago
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ThePhotobot 4 months ago
Ancient Slavic History: Germans vs Rus-Slavs watch?v=Xi0zcR6VVS0
slavicmusic 4 months ago
Áno,takto je100% pravda=istina,Sloväni nemigrovali,Sloväni zaujímali celé Európske územie a časť Ázie a ľahko splývali s okolitými cudzími národmi,čo je pre mňa záhada.No tým si zachovali celistvú autochónnosť na obrovskom území.Zvíťazila Slovänská prispôsobivosť a vynaliezavosť.Tým pádom Slovänské gény sú najvariabilnejšie zo všetkých známych národov.Touto svojou variabilitou a životaschopnosťou si Slovänský gén R1A dokonale zabezpečil hegemóniu,od neho sa odvodzuje sekundárny R1B Germánsky gén
TheCapko111 6 months ago
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TheCapko111 6 months ago
watch?v=zDLVJuW93GQ
Transliterations of Etruscan Pyrgi tablets with Slavonic languages
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
Nehite že z temi slovani to je en velik nateg panslovanskega gibanja pred prvo svet. vojno pa do razpada juge . Žalostn je da se te pravlce še dons otroke uči v šolah . Slovenci mamo bol mal slovanske krvi .
MultiMetaldemon 11 months ago
@MultiMetaldemon
Slovani majo bolj mal Slovenske krvi, hehe ;)
urednik1 11 months ago
@MultiMetaldemon Stari slovenci in vsi ostali ljudje na svetu smo eni taki lepi mešanci narodov da si ne moreš misliti. Na našemu ozemlju so živeli: Japodi, Kelti, Rimljani, Langobardi, Avari, Obri, Iliri, Franki, Germani, Veneti, Wendy Čeprav Wendy in Veneti so isto ljudstvo. Tako, da zdaj pa povej kdo so bili naši potomci? Meprov zanima Polovica tel ljudstev je pa izumrla, ker se ne govori več njihovega jezika. Beseda Slovan je pa nastala v 19. stoletju od Češkega znanstvenika
plemesloveni 10 months ago
@plemesloveni
Ne drekaj !
Maloštevilčne Ilire preženejo ali asimilirajo vdori Keltov. Japodi, Histri, Tavriski...to vse so bila plemena Keltov. Rimljani niso nikoli kolonizirali slovenskega ozemlja, ampak romanizirali staroselsko keltsko prebivalstvo, ki je živelo in upravljalo z Emono, Petovio, Celeio...Langobardi samo prečkajo slovensko ozemlje in se izselijo v Italijo. Franki pod Karlom Velikim integrirajo že naseljene Slovane v Frankovsko kraljestvo. Tukaj pa se ne naseljujejo.
VTBbank 9 months ago
@plemesloveni
Slovani se Avarom in Obrom uprejo. Nastane Samova plemenska zveza. Po njegovi smrti pa Karantanija, kot prva slovanska kneževina, kjer veliko večino prebivalstva tvorijo naseljeni Slovani. Nekaj malega je tudi belih Hrvatov, Vlahov, Dudlebov, Germanov in romaniziranih staroselcev...večino pa tvorijo Slovani.
Na današnjem slovenskem prostoru pa se rodi še ena slovanska dežela pod imenom "Carniola". To pa je latinsko ime za Kranjsko.
VTBbank 9 months ago
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VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@plemesloveni
Veneti so antično Italsko ljudstvo, ki pa nima nobenih povezav z Slovenci.
"Wenedi" pa je termin s katerimi so Slovane nekoč napačno imenovali germanski pisci in kronisti.
VTBbank 9 months ago
@VTBbank zakaj pa "napačno". Madžari nas Prekmurce še danes imenujejo Vendi in nas zato nič "narobe" ne označujejo.... Problem imate "zgodovinarji" v teh trdih glaveh, kajti še niste spoznali, da "Vendi" niso bili nobeno germansko pleme, temveč stari Slovani... Veneti, Venedi, Iliri prav tako...
(V)Anti prav tako
VendPrekmurec 8 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
Kolikor vem (Vend, Venden, Veneden, Winden, Windisch...) niso nikakršna ljudstva, ampak termini s katerimi so v preteklosti razni srednjeveški kronisti in pisci (od cerkvenih do upravnih) napačno poimenovali naseljene Slovane v svoji neposredni bližini. Veneti so bili eno izmed antičnih italskih ljudstev, ki je imelo indoevropske korenine in soroden jezik z drugimi Italiki (Latini, Sabini, Marsi, Umbrijci, Kampani, Samniti...), ki so poseljevali Apeninski polotok.
VTBbank 7 months ago
@VTBbank "Anti, Veneti, Vendi, Venedi, Enedae, Vendae, Wenden, Vindi, Saba, Sheba(Shiva), Sabini, Savi, Sabi, Sabeni, Gog in Magog, Reti, Raseni, Hetiti, originalni Akadci, Skiti, orig. Feničani(Veneti), Lidijci, so BILI stari Slovani."Slovan" je izmišljena beseda, ki je nastala baje nekje na češkem... jezik se je razlikoval, kot se razlikuje še danes
Tako je npr. Etruščanska beseda "Tula" pomenilo "ogenj" - besedo boš našel v Estonščini; vendar je pomenila "Tleči ogenj" (Tula -"Ultima Thule")
VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
Pleme Venetov, ki je poseljevalo današnjo področje Veneta in Furlanije Julijske krajine je prišlo v Italijo v bronasti dobi. Tako antični Veneti nimajo nikakršnih povezav z Slovani, ki pridejo prvič na področje vzhodnih alp šele v 6. stoletju našega štetja.
Naravnost blazna in monstruozna pa je povezava Slovanov z Etruščani. Etruščani so prazgodovinsko ljudstvo, ki je poseljevalo področje današnje Toskane. Njihova pisava še danes ni razvozlana, ker ni indoevropskega izvora.
VTBbank 7 months ago
@VTBbank kakšna "monstruozna" neki. Monstruozno je "razumevanje" Etruščanskega jezika skozi neko Grščino (tudi stara grščina je vlekla slovanske in sanskritske vzporednice) in Latinščino. Etruščan pomeni "Et" (to je ) - "eto " Ruščan ali Raščan, med tem ko so Etruščani sebe imenovali Raseni (RASA); RASA pomeni Rasa in njen glagol je Rasti ali Rosti (od rojstva) - kot otrok; Rimljani so podedovali besedo "Tabula RASA" ("nepopisan list papirja" - mladi, rojeni človek). Rosti so Rusi
VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
A ti si na heroinu al na norih gobah ?
VTBbank 7 months ago
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@VendPrekmurec
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VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
A tebe je mati pred kapucinskim samostanom pustila v košari, zdaj si pa jezen in frustriran na cel svet ?
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VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
Kaj pravzaprav hočeš s temi abotnimi mitomanijaškimi budalaščinami meni dokazovati ? Mogoče pokazati kakšno skrito subliminarno sporočilo, da je bil Konstantinopel nekoč slovenski oz. etruščanski ?
Pričakujem še kakšno knjigo tistega norega Rusina - Jurija Venelina, ki jo je ponatisnila privatna založba Šavlijevega Jožeka.
VTBbank 7 months ago
@VTBbank ali te je strah resnice, da napadaš žive in mrtve, ali pa si že od rojstva taki arogantnež
VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VendPrekmurec
Pred nikomer ne bežim, še najmanj pa pred vašo takozvano "resnico". Njej pa se postavljam po robu samo z jeklenim rezilom stroke, ki boleče zareže v vaš romantični svet mitologije.
VTBbank 7 months ago
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@VendPrekmurec
Etnogeneza Etruščanov je zapletena. Pojavljajo se teze, da so prvi naseljenci še iz časov neolitika. Stroka pa zagovarja tezo zlitja primitivnih kultur s kulturami iz Male Azije (predvsem zaradi nekaterih prvin v njihovi religiji). Vsi pa so enotnega mnenja, da Etruščani niso indoevropskega izvora. Tako že po zdravi kmečki logiki nimajo nikakršnih sorodstvenih vezi z Slovani.
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VendPrekmurec 7 months ago
@VTBbank In german medievil chronicles polish prince Mieszko I is called "Rex Polanorum, Vandalorum, Gothorum", Lusitian Serbs today are called by German- Wenden" Russian in fin language are Venalaiset. In early medievil near polish city Szczecin was city on water Wineta, near Slovenia is today city on water Veneto. We have legend about quenn Wanda also bizantic chroniclers wrote that old name of Slavs is Venets. In IV century Vistula Veneti were conquer by Sarmatian and choose new name: Slavs
Slawnikowic 7 months ago
@Slawnikowic Do not spread this disinformation, "slavs" is 19-th century term invented by scholars to group several east-european ethnic groups by common attributes. No "slavic" nation called themselvs "slavs' except one.
JerkCruel 4 months ago
@JerkCruel Slovenes and Slovaks? I see two.
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plemesloveni 10 months ago
No "pure" races.... Silly thoughts... There are differences... Different degrees of inter-relation and "cousin" affinity BUT certainly no purity... and self identificaton and language and/or religon can be misleading.... Certainly there were Slavic tribes, which were relate to Germanic tribes fairly closely, and they all mixed before (and later, where much of east Germany and Bavaria can be "Slav" if you will). So if you are Polish you might have German and Balt in you. and a touch of mongol
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shadowofthenacho 10 months ago
Slavs-it is RACE! :)
DirtyDaria 1 year ago
Slavs were also called in the Bible as "Gog and Magog". Other names were "Sabians, Savians, Sclavens,Shivaits, Phoenicians, Etruscans, Veneti, Anti, Drevlians(drevo), Lydians(Leto, Lada), Trojans (Enedae)
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
So what does this book talk about regarding our origins? I've been confused for a long time, are we Slavs a people and race? Or do we just share a similar language and are all from different origins, I don't really get it.
Khorne676 1 year ago
@Khorne676
present day Slavs are in no way an consistent race. Some have different origins. It seems that also ancient Slavs were merely cultural consequence (Curta).
However no race is a pure race, so it is not a perfect job to answer your question correctly.
Of course the Slavs as a group had much more input in EU history as many would want to recognise.
urednik1 1 year ago
@urednik1 Ah so we're not a race or anything. So Croatians are basically Illyrians who just speak a slavic language I suppose.
Khorne676 1 year ago
@Khorne676
Croatians are basically Sclavenes (Illyrian), but there name and influence came from Medieval tribe of Rvati. See vramec and other croniclers who clain that Croatians came in 7th Century and settled among Sloveni (hence their genes must be merely Sclavenic). Bulgarians and Russians seem to have less Sclavenic origin than the others. Of course now all are judged merely on their language, but this is not historically the same.
Slavs populated whole Germany and Austria ...
urednik1 1 year ago
@urednik1 Aren't Sclavenes Slavs? I recall reading Sclavenes, Veneti and Antes were three Slavic tribes?
Khorne676 1 year ago
@Khorne676
Slav is a modern term. It was invented. And yes we read also that those are related, but we need to analize the period when these words were written in and the background of their author. And yes, some clain that those three tribes were the some, some claim it is only a simplification.
urednik1 1 year ago
I do not know why I keep mistyping the word CLAIM the whole time. Sorry for that!
urednik1 1 year ago
@urednik1 As far as Haplogroups go it shows Croats are about half (just over half) Illyrian/Balkanic and half (or just under half) Slavic, or R1a which is found in Slavic countries as a great majority.
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VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@Khorne676 Slavs came from other tribes. The western Slavs (Venedi or Veneti) lived in Venea, when (V)Anti lived in the east, part of Sarmatia, Scynthia (also old Troyans or Illios - which comes from Slavic "Vilios" or "Veelos" or "Volos" (Vol or Veles; "Bull"; also check about Hittite Bull symbol and Hittite Perun ..they were all neighbours...)
Slavs are white race (R1 haplogroups )... in fact all white race are old Slavs (different White tribes that came from North pole)
VendPrekmurec 1 year ago
@VendPrekmurec from the North Pole??? derp? And I dont know much about Sanskrit or anything so i dunno what to say to that if anything.
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@halo3film ...The most interesting thing about them though is that, although they are ridiculously long, they were not written, but remembered by the singer, and passed from generation to generation, for centuries. This Serbian poetry was used to prove that Homers poems were based on facts, because European scholars thought that no poem that long could be preserved accurately without being written. U zdravlje...
toriton011 1 year ago
@halo3film if you recognized Serbian language in that way, and you are absolutely right, unfortunately not many people is aware of this, you should read Serbian epic and lyrical poetry in Serbian. It is a pinnacle of epic poetry in history, recognized by many scholars including Goethe. Songs are incredibly long and narrative, with very strict and difficult metrics and unique figures, meant to be sang with a simple Serbian string instrument called Gusle with just one string....
toriton011 1 year ago
...it is very difficult to say anything 100% sure, still I believe that truth will come out somehow. From what I know, Slovenes (of Slovenia - country) are much more closer to Czechs and Slovaks than to Croats and Serbs ethnically. Just remember everyone to be cautious about this things since loving your nation and history and learning about the truth, doesn't mean hating others. Being to much involved in differences led to many wars and pain. Love to all Slavic brothers, were are one!
toriton011 1 year ago
inwards, and than again. There is also evidence that Turks used to call all Slavic peoples Serbs, but that could be appointed to the fact that the first Slavs they met were Serbs. There is some more interesting phenomena like that that Serbian language has more similarities to Sanskrit than any other European language, and that is incredibly rich language by the number of words, which means that it is very old. More than for example English which is much more literary used in recent centuries...
toriton011 1 year ago
are more of a Slavophonic nation, meaning that they speak in Slavic language, than they are Slavs. Anyway there are lots of different crazy theories of origin of Serbs and Croats, including aliens and similar stuff, but it could be truth that in some way Serbs and Croats are maybe some kind of forefathers to other Slavs, since there are many evidence that there were not one movement to Balkans by Slavs form 6-9th century but rather many movements and exoduses from Balkans outwards and...
toriton011 1 year ago
...The fact is that Serbs and Croats (including here undefined Bosnians and Montenegrins which are a branch of Serbs) are anthropologically different than other Slavic nations. Main difference physically is cranial index or head type if you will. Serbs, Croats... possess the most extreme type of brachicranic index, square head, while slavic type has mostly dolichocranic index, round head. I remember my university professor of Physical Anthropology saying, you know, very silently, that Serbs...
toriton011 1 year ago
Not in 9th but first in 6th and 7th century, but anyways that's probably not true, because that theory has holes like Swiss cheese. Yes there was a White Serbia were some Serbs lived, and still live today as small population of Sorbs. There seem to exist a difference between Serbs and Croats with other Slavs. This is actually a taboo theme in scientific groups in Serbia, while in Croatia is a very popular theme...
toriton011 1 year ago
I had no idea Curta was such an expert on this subject. He's my Medieval Archaeology professor this semester and I always skip his class because he's such a fast talker and I can't really understand him. Maybe I should go to class more often...
forMyvintageLove 1 year ago
@forMyvintageLove
Hehe. Yep he is indeed a fast talker. I can confirm that.
urednik1 1 year ago
@halo3film It means that Serbs had big exodus in late middle age. Serbs cannot be related to Poles or Russians since Serbian nation is Older than both of them and its a shame that people avoid this truth. Check that information please and than we can speak about more serious things.
oneSeabean 1 year ago
@halo3film
I can not give you a clear answer. There are all kinds of theories about that.
Common sense says Serbs are autochtonous in the Balkans and Sorbs in Germany, and because they all speak Slavic languages they might be related. But this are merely assumptions. I still claim that the Balkan Sclavenes are aborigins of this territory and they settled in the north and east first after big wars (pre AD). Where the later Slavs in the NE EU assimilaterd or only descendants of Sclaveni? whoknows
urednik1 1 year ago
@halo3film
there are many theories about these people. Most sense seems to have a view that Sclavenes are indigeneous, whereas Sorbs are either another linguistically assimilated or even related people. I can not say anything for sure. As it seems Serbs remain a lot of indigeneous structures.
urednik1 1 year ago
@Vlajko1312
Ifully understand you ;)
urednik1 1 year ago
@Vlajko1312 (Vlad Tepeš ;)
I agree with you in some way. But what was written in The Making can not be misinterpreted.
And I do not see any good future for the Aromanian theory to evolve and become widely accepted. It just don't make any sense that everything is Slavic there ...
urednik1 1 year ago
Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins, Bosnians SPEAK ONE AND THE SAME language.
sneighwena 1 year ago 15
@sneighwena not muslims theyre pigs
hereHehereHE 1 year ago
It will be very good to have an english translation (subtitle) of this extract of Milenko's late night show. The macedonian subtitle is very poor so even myself cannot understand it easily.
SOKOLKRUSEVO 1 year ago
@SOKOLKRUSEVO
see the video response
urednik1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
skopje or skoupi is from greek word skoupi-dia=
SKOUPIDIA.english is GARBAGE AND THIS IS YOUR NAME GARBAGEDONIA OR SKOYPIDIADONIA
MAKEDONIA IS ONLY ONE AND IS GREEK!
MKDISGREEK 2 years ago
Slovenia and Macedonia - Best Balkan countries! :)
And people with the highest IQ in the Balkan! ;)
Blad771 2 years ago
we're all the same.. im from slovakia and can understand polish, croatian, serbian and slovenian.
himynameismarek 2 years ago
as Roman, I'm surprised to see how can be all the slavic language similar : this doesn't happen with Romance language: for an Italian is impossible to understand a French or a Rumenian!
OurEurope 2 years ago
All Slavs were once Serbs... Serbs were named Veneti..
14Srb88 2 years ago
@14Srb88
:D
urednik1 2 years ago
No for real,check some facts about Serbs and how they were called..
14Srb88 2 years ago
then you would probably understand these words: nindri, indri, sindri, inda svejta, huejda labushka, guchati, ogenj, cintor, rasushka
VendPrekmurec 2 years ago
No I dont understand....ogenj - oganj... Words have been remade and changed over the years,that cannot be good evidence of wether we really were or were not Veneti... Just out google for serbia veneti,there will be a lot of result,check it out,it might not be true,but it has a lot of good points..
14Srb88 2 years ago
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VendPrekmurec 2 years ago
How can you disclude Serbs from that group if Croats speak Serbian ?
14Srb88 2 years ago
North Croat people from Slavonija, kajkavci and Medzimurci do not speak totally serbian language... there is some connection with serbian language (also slovene language has some, since migrations of serbs in Bela krajina) but not so powerful than in southern areas. With turkish invasions towards the north were serbians forced to retreat into these regions... and so was this land become let's say partial assimilated with serbian language But people lived in peace. (until...)
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VendPrekmurec 2 years ago
also forgot to mention the word "VEDA" which means in Slovene and Lithuanian language knowledge... like in Vedas (Veda) arian(understand this word please as an original form - pure, peaceful, also as a word "rja, rjav" which can also mean a color -brown, or rust... and rust was an ancient symbol of generosity. )
So i think there must be some ancient connection among these cultures from the east Punjab region...
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VendPrekmurec 2 years ago
i dont understand why you rated 1 sloveintzwend's comment as bad.
there are no borders for languages between slavs
im a serb from nish (south eastern serbia) and i can understand bulgarians and macedonians almost clearly
(macedons only place "ta, te, to" and alike at the end of all words)
and i saw another comment...
we serbs can understand ppl from slovenia and macedonia about the same.
croats, bosnians and those from montenegro speak completely same language as we do
MultiWarlord 2 years ago
Ask the one who rated that - I have no idea who would do that ...
urednik1 2 years ago
Hehe, it`s good it`s in Slovenian, i can understand most of it without any troubles.
Pozdrawiam z Polski :)
MaximusProteus 2 years ago
Read about the Vistula Veneti also... it`s suprising how Veneti/Wends are ignored in regard of the Slavic history.
MaximusProteus 2 years ago
See the video response for more info in English!
urednik1 2 years ago
This is very good book you can read a begining ask me for link :) What is best (at least for me) is that author isn't slovene AND support veneti theory! This somehow proves that veneti theory isn't just national propaganda as alot of people think but important theory that can confirm, rejects or helps to many other theories.
Slovejnc 2 years ago
Ne bih se mogao više složiti s ovom tvrdnjom! I zapamtite, u nauci važi pravilo da je obično najprostije rešenje problema u 90% slučajeva i ono pravo! Dakle, što prostije, to verovatnije. Prema tome, ne verujem u ove ultrakompleksne nove teorije koje niču kao gljive posle kiše...
vukashin88 2 years ago
Komentar ni v skladu s tematiko v videu, zato bo, če ne bo ustreznega pojasnila brisan.
urednik1 2 years ago
ja niso pa povedal ker morjo bit "strpni", da so srbi in posebaj hrvati pršli točn takrt in so izrinl PRAVE slovane in posredno venete slovence. na hervardih mas dobr razlozen k se takoj vid kako smo slovenci zgublal ozemle
slovenec3 2 years ago
Ti si klasična Šavljiska budala !
DiscoverRussia 2 years ago
ancient Hetite people were germans. and ancient veneti lived near adriatic coast, vends came from north with "vandals" and from Lithuania, Belorusian region and both nations; vends and veneti were conected with amber's road. but that was long time ago. once upon a time, "there was only one language, and god mixed their language, so they did not understand their brothers"
VendPrekmurec 2 years ago
Germans?
gamsd 2 years ago
Problem is, how the hell was that so called "Slavic language" so damn "superior" or should I say "stronger" that it completely changed the whole linguistic chart of Europe.
For some folk who lived in "swamps", and never supposed to be heroic conquerors that's quite astonishing.
SloveintzWend 3 years ago 10
dialects are always related if we see from that perspective. In Macedonia Northern Dialects bordering with Serbia should have similiarities with Serbian dialects bordering Macedonia. It's a natural thing everywhere in the world. For instance my Macedonian dialect is similar to the Macedonian dialect that borders with Pirin Macedonia( now day under Bulgarian rule) .It's all natural, and speaking of dialects there's no stereotype of "this word is Serbian,Bulgarian, Slovenian,Croatian..etc"
MacedonKing 2 years ago
@ Sloveintz Wend .I like the way you think about the so called "Slavic language"
MacedonKing 2 years ago
Croatian dialects are very, very interesting from historical and linguistic point of view. It's not just similarity near borders. First of all Croatian has 3 main dialects. Slovene has 37 main dialects and country is half the size of Croatia. There is more similarity between standard Croatian language and Serbian than between these three dialects. Croatian Kajkavians understand Slovene speaker more than some Dalmatian Croat.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
it's all about regional distance, even an official (literal) language in my opinion in any country is based upon a dialectical speech. Macedonian official is based upon Veles/ Prilep dialect. But Croatians must have also many dialects, as if we say people from Vukovar, Zagreb, Dubrovnik , Krapina etc must have it's own authentic pronunciation and speech. By the way have you ever read Vinko Pribojevic , a Croatian historian or writer? He splits Slavs into: Illirians, Dardanians, Veneti..etc
MacedonKing 2 years ago
@SloveintzWend good to see you again :) slavs are "indingenous" to europe, this crap started in the 19th centuary, I believe with ignorant german historians. Its old knowledge that they made up most of central europe that the germans now occupy, so I can see why even the historians can make an erroneous link as them being "invaders" if they didnt know prior history or had some gaps in their education.
rosskay 10 months ago
@rosskay Oh, i must say I don't quite remember you.
So Slavs aren't indigenous to Europe? Where did we come from, Mars?
German Historians most likely started with that anti Slavic chauvinism, which tried to connect Slavs with mongols or whatever.
Slavs did inhabit most of middle Europe in the past, Toponyms are the proof.
SloveintzWend 10 months ago
actually today's Macedonians are a mixture of Ancient Macedonians with Slavs
so i think thats the best way to describe it
310Hoodstar 3 years ago
It is not that simple Hoodstar ...
Search for: Curta en
or: Veneter 1; Veneter 2
to read more!
urednik1 3 years ago
actually for me it is that simple
if we get into roots who know where we will get to
just plain and simple
we know that Ancient Macedonians existed long time ago and when the Slavs slowly came from the north-east they settled and mixed with the ancient Macedonians and made what today is Macedonia
310Hoodstar 3 years ago
That sounds like a tale to me.
Such claims are lacking any serious interdisciplinary scientific arguments.
Curta and many others present much better solutions, which I guess you are not yet informed of, isn't it so?
urednik1 3 years ago
hmm
its just my theory
i cant really prove it
but thats a logical answer to this questions which may be true
still there is commotion about where the Macedonians came from but i think it will be found out in due time
310Hoodstar 3 years ago
You cannot tell a lie in a simple way you must tell many lies and they eventually become difficult to understand
UrosPetrovicPSY 2 years ago
A damn truth !
DiscoverRussia 2 years ago
The man with the long hair is Macedonian and speaks using Macedonian the other man im 99% sure is Serbian and speaks in Serbian.
IMROVOLK 3 years ago
No, I told already that it is Slovenian ;)
The host is naturally speaking Macedonian.
urednik1 3 years ago
And if you would like to hear this content in English - search youtube for Curta en.
urednik1 3 years ago
Do you think that Serbian is so much different from Macedonian.? :)
Hey come on you guys are neighbors. ;)
SloveintzWend 3 years ago
Is Slovenian much different than Croatian or Serbian? Probably more similar than Macedonian and Serbian
MacedonKing 2 years ago
If you mean language, Slovenian is closest to Croatian Kajkavian dialect, less to Čakavian and least of all to Štokavian. It also has many west Slavic (Czech, Slovak) features.
SloveintzWend 2 years ago
I am Slovakian, Slav, and I am very suprise that how many of words I can understand from language what man on screen is talking.
What kind of language it is? Is it Serbian?
zemiak5 3 years ago
No, it is Slovenian, a language we had in common (Slovinci - Slovenci), before germanization and hungarization.
urednik1 3 years ago
This is a part of Macedonian tv emission
Mak3donian 3 years ago 3
While I do respect Florin Curta's efforts to reconcile various autochtonistic, separatistic and nationalistic movements it certainly does not justify new historical fabrications and keeping old historical truths under wraps.
I doubt that he truly believes in his own theories.
There was nothing peaceful about Slavic invasion nor about Byzantine response and especially about Byzantine revenge against civilian Slavs after Slav betrayal.
It would be interesting to hear about Mardaite arrival though.
Lillymill 3 years ago
Well it depends on which event you had in mind. I am sure Curta had no other goal than trying new solutions. Of course I do not agree fully with him either - but it is anyway interesting to see a scientist who do not blow in the same horn as majority of others does.
Mardaite - what did you have in mind here?
urednik1 3 years ago
I was referring to his idea of Slavic latent infiltration into Byzantium. I have nothing against new solutions and revolutionary ideas but he's on the verge of alternative history.
Sure, many Balkan historians as well as Christian clerics might be inclined to embrace his theory in the course of perpetual glorification of Byzantine Empire but I'm afraid that historical reality is far less peachy and another historical misconception would just bring us more ignorance and less self awareness.
Lillymill 3 years ago
I mentioned Mardaites because of their significance to this particular historical moment; after the peace treaty with Arabs, Byzantines brough Mardaites of Arnanus to replenish their military forces against Slavic and Bulgar invaders and settled them in Epirus after conquering the invaders.
Lillymill 3 years ago
Lillymill,
I understand your point of view, thogh you did not seem to have read his book entirely.
What you are saying about Mardaites is just a military episode not changing any major historical fact.
Do you know exactly what Curta is actually talking about?
And to sbd else - here is no place for offensive comments. Please join some nationalistic websites in order to speak that way. Sorry - but I had to delete your post.
urednik1 3 years ago
Honestly, I didn't have the opportunity to read his book but was merely commenting quotes I picked up from your video.
After I went through the video again I see that he wrote about a longer period. I mistakenly tend to think about Slav invasion as the final struggle between Slavs and Justinian's army but after I heard the quite from "The Miracles of St. Demetrius" I see that it's actually documented that Slavs were quite accepted. I was convinced that Byzantines mostly loathed Slavs.
Lillymill 3 years ago
Actually everything remains quite complicated. What is new is just that we can't talk about mass-migrations anymore.
urednik1 3 years ago
There's was no such thing as "Slavic" invasion. But the inhabitants on the Balkans became to be called "Slavs" or in English "Slaves" as they became slaves of Eastern Roman Empire . The Term Slavic is probably an A.D term for the same ancient inhabitants. I believe that the indigenous inhabitants on the Balkans were the so called A.D "invaders" - "Slavs" . Also another DNA study showed how some halotypes present in South Slavic groups were absent in North and West,which proves South are old
MacedonKing 2 years ago
Balkan Slavs are just the part of a larger group of people who also happen to call themselves "Slavs" in their respectful languages.
"Sloven" is derived from Sanskrit "shravan" (to hear) which is closely related to "slavan" - glorious, famous, praised, heard of, having to do with Slavic boastfulness. Thus, Slavic "slava" celebrates patron saints throught their praise.
DNA moves around along with people so its study must be acompanied by genetic archaeology to have any historical significance.
Lillymill 2 years ago
The Proto-Slavic people are proven now to be part of the Haplogourp R1a, this is High in all Slavic countries except Serbia, Macedonia, and Bulgaria. It is still there but is not High. Serbians and Bulgarians and Macedonians are mostly the Indigenous people that lived in that are, but were stripped of there culture by the Romans, So then they adopted a Slavic cuture from the Slavs that invaded the area.
slavicman09 2 years ago
Slavic history is held in serbian libraries that are tryed to be destroyed by arians and you will never sucess to destroy the old people we r anyway you just dont understand - also Russia is not stupid
UrosPetrovicPSY 3 years ago
Slovo
UrosPetrovicPSY 3 years ago
SLAVA! Nema sto poveke da se kaze.
ViktorW19 3 years ago 4
Slavenska sloga i vjera u Boga!!!
Slava vsem Slovanom!!!
Slovjan 3 years ago
Please do not give such offensive comments. Every race is human. And what is more - every race is mixed with different people. Let us forget to divide.
Let us make history a better place for everybody!
urednik1 3 years ago