WTC7 is a real litmus test. Seeing an evil plot behind the collapse of a skyscraper that had been burning out of control for several hours is evidence that your suspicion has gotten the better of your critical thinking. The fact that hardhats were warning people in the streets well in advance of the collapse tells me that there was no mystery about its condition. The fact that news stations reported its collapse even before it happened tells me no one was the least bit surprised. End of story.
Beyond the obvious fact that the implosion of WTC 7 could not be anything but a controlled demolition there is indisputable scientific proof of free fall acceleration for about 100 feet and that can only occur if all the supporting structure on 7 floors is REMOVED in a precisely timed manner.
Furthermore, the fire that NIST says started the "collapse" had burned out over an hour before the "collapse". Details here: truthphalanx . com/chris_sarns/
@chrissarns "the implosion of WTC 7 could not be anything but a controlled demolition"
This kind of puerile overstatement is the reason people dismiss truth activists as unscientific and delusional. How are you so sure there's no other explanation?
You could talk to some of the firefighters who knew WTC7 was doomed hours before it finally fell. But that would smack of objectivity, and you can't allow reality to intrude on your fantasy world.
You should read the final report on WTC 7. The firefighters could not possibly have known the building would collapse the way it did. The fires did not reach the area where the "collapse" began until hours later.
They were told by an anonymous "engineer" that WTC 7 would collapse - 5 hours before it did [Chief Hayden said so in the BBC program "The Third Tower"]. That is absurd. No one could have predicted a natural collapse, only a planned demolition.
@chrissarns Then why is there footage even in ae911truth's WTC7 video of hardhats warning people in the street that the building was about to blow up? You think maybe its condition was no secret? Or were the evil henchmen told to go down and make sure everyone knew that a deliberate demolition was in the works?
@chrissarns I really think it's sad that truth activists fixate on the collapse of WTC7 and read all sorts of sinister meaning into its fate. The building had been on fire, gushing smoke into the sky, for several hours.
Don't you have any interest in the people who died in the Twin Towers? How about the millions dead in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is building 7 really all that important in the grand scheme of things?
Sad is the fanatically faithful denying that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition and what that implies.
You did not read my post so here it is again:
"the fire that NIST says started the "collapse" had burned out over an hour before the "collapse". Details here: truthphalanx . com/chris_sarns/ "
It is for all the people that were murdered on 9/11 and all those who have died because of it that I have dedicated my life to exposing the truth about 9/11.
@chrissarns How does an amateur like you decide that the building couldn't have collapsed due to thermal expansion from the fire, and contraction during cooling afterward, just because the fire had supposedly gone out after having raged for several hours?
As I asked before, if you're truly interested in what happened to WTC7, why not ask the firefighters yourself?
Otherwise, it seems like you're fixating on the least significant part of the events of 9/11, and ignoring the real tragedy.
The NIST hypotheses is thermal expansion, not thermal contraction.
The fire on floor 12 had definitely burned out.
NIST appendix L pg 26
Around 4:45 p.m., a photograph showed ... Floor 12 was burned out by this time.
There is no need to talk to the firefighters. NIST interviewed them, reviewed the evidence and determined that the debris damage did not play a roll in the collapse initiation.
Whoever rigged WTC 7 knew the TT were going to be destroyed.
In the final report it states that the debris damage had little [actually nothing] to do with the "collapse initiation" that started at the other end of the building.
BTW: I will not tolerate insults. Keep your responses to the point or you will be blocked.
@chrissarns Well, since the Towers had collapsed several hours before WTC7 did, that's a no-brainer. But the debris did start fires in WTC7 and sever the water lines into the building. So indirectly, the debris damage did set the stage for the collapse.
And since two steel-framed buildings had indeed collapsed from fire just that morning, firefighters were taking no chances with WTC7. Why don't you ask the firefighters?
You suggestion that I talk to the firefighters is pure sarcasm. I have already explained that they were told the building was going to collapse by an unnamed "engineer".
If you actually read what the firefighters said, only 3 thought WTC 7 was going to collapse and they got that from the "engineer". All the rest heard it thru the grapevine.
The debris DAMAGE had nothing to do with the collapse, your double talk notwithstanding.
@roquefortfiles A bucket of thermite? Oh please. A big demolition job requires tons and tons of thermite, which I always have secretly brought into the building without anyone noticing.
There was remodeling going on all the time in the Trade Towers. It would be easy to rig the buildings under the guise of remodel and repair. Kevin Ryan demolition access - scoop .co .nz/stories/HL0907/S00124 .htm
@chrissarns "There was remodeling going on all the time in the Trade Towers. It would be easy to rig the buildings under the guise of remodel and repair."
Oh, of course. Precision demolition jobs, particularly when they involve tons of incendiary powder, are "easy" to prepare without anyone noticing.
@roquefortfiles So I'm going to assume that Building 7 didn't look like a Cd either? So my name is Grandma Mable. Let me find you a video that was a controlled demoltion, and it looked very similar to the twin towrs
@puppetmaster195 Well Ms (Or Mrs?) Mable no the WTC does not look like a CD. And a CD has loads and loads of material left over afterward. So much that companies have to clean it up. (You don't get something for nothing). And nobody found ZIP at any of the buildings. And lots of trained people were there.
And B7?
There was a team of CD techs already there and they watched it come down.
@alexjones67 The WTC collapse in no way resembles a CD. There is nothing Controlled at all about it. And the collapse is nothing BUT resistance. There is a huge difference. Had explosives been involved the collapse would look totally different.
You have very little understanding about what you are writing about.
I would say don't be ignorant to you. But what's the point?
You people are ignorance and stupidity on steroids
@roquefortfiles Richard Gage is telling the truth but you are afraid to face it. Your government is not innocent and never was innocent. You are too stupid to realize anything that goes on in your life. You believe anything that people tell you instead of checking for facts and asking questions. You people don't like to ask questions and thats why the government will take you guys like fools.
@roquefortfiles The official story of 9/11 is BULLSHIT and you know it. I am not the one acting like a 12 year old! You are. You are the one acting up here not me so please don't even go there. And don't repeat what I said because it is really annoying.
there was never any evidence of any explosives discovered at the site. be it RDX, PETN or SEMTEX. NONE. no residue.
no evidence of any of the columns cut when Sandia & DAS collected steel for forensic testing.
its a non-issue from the word go.
another fact: Demo'd buildings always collapse from the bottom up.
WTC 7 collapsed from the top down. this makes it simply impossible to be a demolition. in addition FDNY and NYPD were the only personnel allowed around the building or access inside.
planes have been hitting buildings since the wright bros,includeing the empire state building,One in korea burned for a week and none of them ever collapsed due to plane or fire, So were to believe a plane that the builders of the twin towers said that couldnt fall because of the fail safe way they built it, So who do you want to believe the ppl who made millions and millions of dollars because of the attacks or the ppl who can see the truth for what it is,
Building tenants? Like OMG!! I guess in the truther mind a good way to get rid of evidence is to blow up a building. Yes GONE forever off the face of the earth!!.
BTW FDNY Chief Nigro knew all about this building and its probable collapse. He was standing in front of it when it fell. Not a sound was heard. And trained Demo techs were on the pile afterward. Absolutely NOTHING of Control Demolition was found.
Chief Nigro had just seen the Trade Towers come down, killing hundreds of his brother firefighters. He acted out of an abundance of caution. The debris damage was not that severe and there was no collapse because of it. The final report says that the debris damage had little effect on the collapse [actually none] There were fires on 10 floors according to the final report [NCSTAR 1A pg 18-21]
NIST did not look for explosives so they didn't find any.
@chrissarns Oh i see. . And your telling me a team of trained demolition techs who were present on the pile after the collapse don't know what a controlled demolition looks like while they are standing on it.? Brett Blanchard and his team were there. And after a CD this material is ridiculously easy to recover. It is EVERYWHERE.
Blanchard is not a CD expert and his team was not on the pile. They were several blocks away like everyone else. He does overpressure analysis for conventional explosives and videos demos. Like you, he knows nothing about nano-thermite and how it could be used in a demo.
I know your type and you will keep posting the same old arguments from the deniers playbook. Don't bother posting again.
Of course he is. He know far more about demolitions than anyone posing as a demo expert among the truthers with the exception of Jowenko who said WTC 1 & 2 were not CDs.
As for nanothermite, Jones/Harrit have acknowledged that it was used IN ADDITION to conventional explosives. No detritus of conventional explosives found by anyone.
@roquefortfiles I don't think the Brett Blanchard team did a very good job, and I wonder why? There was a rush to clean up the crime scene and they obviously missed finding the spheres of sulfur thermate molten metals in the dust, and the obviously shaped charges that severed the steel beams. But Hey, why be so hard on Brett Blanchard? After all, NIST changed their theory after seven long years of delay and they STILL HAD TO ADMIT Free Fall collapse after they denied it. Give Brett a break!
@roquefortfiles Hey, if you can look at the video above and conclude "Yup, looks like a fire collapse to me ahright" then there is nothing else we can say to you. If you believe fire can take down a 600 ft STEEL building perfectly vertically at free fall speed, then I can not debate anything with you.
Gubermint loves you, don't forget to pay your taxes buddy, gubermint loves you.
@pepelapiu2004 Well for one thing it didn't fall vertically. It keeled over backwards and laid itself across the street behind. Hardly symmetrical. If you bother to look at the video one guy posted here you can see the top 6 stories are perfectly intact and rest on the street. CD don't do this.
In fact a CD team watched this building come down when it happened. A rather ridiculous prospect, wouldn't you say?
WTC 7 fell at free fall acceleration for about 100 feet. That is symmetrical and straight down. Free fall means that all the supporting structure was removed on 7 floors is a precisely timed manner. That could only be done with some form of explosives.
The building fell a little to one side when it hit resistance as many controlled demolitions do. But it landed mostly in it's own foot print [NIST appendix L pg 33].
@chrissarns That could only be done with some form of explosives. Why????
Once the building reaches failure point forget it. The structure is failing internally LONG before it finally drops. The roof is peeling away and dropping because all the internal supports are collapsing.
Ever been to a CD? I have. Trust me everyone would know about it if there were explosives in this building.
In ANY of the buildings for that matter. A very silly topic.
You are in denial or you don't understand the physics required for free fall acceleration. Bending steel framework provides resistance and there was NO resistance for about 100 feet.
@chrissarns You don't drop buildings without high explosives. And thinking it is going to be accomplished with a powdered incendiary is living in dreamland.
You want to know what shaped charges would have sounded like? Especially in lower Manhattan!!
watch?v=obJe66QHx_Y&feature=related
There are half a dozen videos of 7 coming down. Ashley Banfield in fact, is on CNN live when it happens.
You continue to ignore the physics in favor of the denial tactic "it can't be because". Analysis of the Ashley Banfield clip:
watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg&feature=player_embedded
You assume that you know all there is to know - you don't. Nano-thermite can be engineered to cut steel without the excessive noise of conventional explosives because the 4500 degree molten iron does most of the cutting.
@chrissarns "The final report says that the debris damage had little effect on the collapse"
If the NIST scientists were, as you claim, engaging in fraud, then why would you give credence to what they say on anything? Why pick and choose? Maybe all of it is fraudulent and maybe the debris damage really did have an effect on the collapse.
@chrissarns "Chief Nigro had just seen the Trade Towers come down. . . He acted out of an abundance of caution."
But he and the other firefighters only said WTC 7 was likely to collapse. They didn't form a collapse zone around WTC 3,4,5, and 6. Why not, especially if the fires were, as truthers usually claim, far worse than at WTC 7?
@roquefortfiles Most of the rubble and evidence where removed immediately,"We were able to move 120 dumptrucks out of the city last night, which will give you a sense of the work that was done overnight. So, some of the debris has already been removed."
- Mayor Rudy Giuliani, 9/12 press conference seen on NBC LIVE at 9:52 a.m. Silly theory how they the trained demo techs were on the pile, when most of it was removed that fast, also called tampering with evidence
@PurePowerPunk Right. Hundreds of trained individuals suddenly have no clue about their profession. Not one shred of CD material was even seen. I don't if you're too up on what a CD is like but i can tell you... you don't get something for nothing. This doesn't take place and then magically clean itself up. Volumes of material always remains
It is an entirely ridiculous theory through and through.
@roquefortfiles so, like the 1,500 plus engineers and architects, who say the building where brought down using explosives, doesn't mean anything? Some Scientist say thermite residue was found on site, some of the same people you are referring too, interesting.
@PurePowerPunk so, like the 1,500 plus engineers and architects, who say the building where brought down using explosives.
Ok.. explain how there was nothing found in the rubble. ZERO. Hundreds of trained people were there. These people suddenly have no clue about their profession?
You don't get something for nothing. Material always remains after a CD. It does not all magically disappear.
@roquefortfiles That's just is pal, not a single thing was found, no plane parts, body parts, no office desk,computers, everything was blown to dust, you just answered it yourself bud.
@PurePowerPunk Go and tell a CD tech that your going to knock a building over using thermite..Thermate (whatever the hell you want to call it)..
They'd laugh at you and say.. "Good luck with that". You don't slice huge steel columns with an incendiary. This requires high explosives.. RDX or similar. There is a reason shaped charges are used. Because they do the job. The Chief of the FDNY stood directly in front of B7 when it fell and heard nothing.
@roquefortfiles Ok, that's all good and stuff, but there where explosions also going off in the buildings, reported by numerous firefighters, cops and other people there. Also, there is video proof explosions going off.
William Rodriguez, I'm sure you researched him as well? Please check out my uploads, watch every video I have on here. I'm open minded to some things, like the statement made by the Chief of the FDNY, but there other things unanswered. Check the link out Im going to email you
@PurePowerPunk I don't doubt there were explosions going off. There was 10k gallons of Jet A1 fuel in the building. It exploded on several other floors other than the impact area. I know what a shaped charge sounds like close up. I have been there. I have seen numerous vids of B7 collapse. And we hear nothing. Also corroborated by the FDNY chief. The "CD" thing is an entirely ridiculous statement.
@roquefortfiles 10 gallons which burned off quickly, that's why you see a person standing where the gapping hole was, not even 10 to 15 minutes after it happened, so much for that intense fire and heat. How about Kevin McPhadden, a former air force service member and 1st responder that day? He heard a count down over the walkie talkies, then after 3,2,1 he like 100's of others heard multiply explosions going off, so 100's vs the chief, 1 person? I'll take the 100's over your 1.
@roquefortfiles we get it. 2 + 2 = 5 right? Physics don't matter on 911. Accelerated free fall is not possible with a fire-caused collapse, only possible with explosives. Doesn't matter if firefighters or police were told it was going to fall, the fact that they knew actually confirms someone had knowledge of the controlled demolition.
@edyken77 Does 2+2 =5? In your guys world it sure as hell does.
only possible with explosives. If i had a dime for every time i read these kinds of statements given by people who have no idea what they're writing about. I'd have allot of dimes.
Oh really?? (I think its time for a quote!!)
"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.
@roquefortfiles Whether it was a deliberate cover-up of forensic evidence or total ignorance and incompetence, NIST being an arm of the U.S. government, we can safely say that the U.S. government has not told the truth to the public regarding the existence of molten steel in the basements of the WTC towers. NIST has failed in their mission of studying the factors contributing to the probable cause (or causes) of post-impact collapse of the WTC Towers.
@roquefortfiles The planes were SHREDDED by the buildings' structure.
See the Youtube videos showing a plane being slammed by rocket sled into a 3 foot thick reinforced concrete wall. The plane is reduced to fragments at impact.
The concrete wall shows scarcely a dent or scratch.
Obviously all 3 WTC builds were brought down by controlled demolition
excuse me, what kind of data do we need? a building burns for 6 hours, spreads to a somewhat unknown amount of floors. that's because the smoke is abstracted from the smoke of WTC 1&2.
Same side as usual. Now how about some video from the opposite side of the building, where the large gash can be seen clearly? Why don't theorists ever show us this side? There's many pictures of it. But I'm sorry to say,I am NOT gonna go search for those 4u.U say research,so do it.
if you wake up in the morning and see snow on the ground, you can reasonably conclude that it snowed the night before. Even though you did not see it snow or have proof that it snowed the night before, you cannot deny the snow you are standing in; if you watch videos of controlled demolitions vs. fires, one must conclude that this is a demolition
@taledarkside with the considerable cost savings and lack of danger by not using explosives, using fire to bring down steel structures is clearly the obvious choice. How it took so many years to realize that fire brings down steel buildings is staggering. All those wasted explosives on all those buildings and the manpower costs involved. Some kerosene, office furniture and paper could save loads of money.
It wouldn'tbe cost savings because the insurance and lawsuits would be even higher since it isn't a controlled method
There would be no office funiture or paper in an empty building thats sold. a building that is demolitioned is gutted because there is a lot of valuable items that are resold.
@taledarkside just what part of this government gives a damn about cost savings? The more the merrier for these clowns. Our great grandchildren will never get out from what has been done. As for a controlled method you mention, just how does fire bring down 3 steel structured buildings? But only the ones owned by Uncle Larry. Funny, he takes out a big policy before the events and Haliburton buys the cleanup company right before the oil spill. Plenty of money made from the events.
why bother with shape charges, set it on fire and let it go. Fire brings down all buildings even steel ones. Well, only in New York. Get some construction guys to cut a couple beams and set it on fire. Should be down in about an hour or so. Why pay big money to a demolition crew when you can burn it down.
we need to start a revolution guys we might die but a revolution wont die!we need to stop being cowards and take whats ours. fuck the police lets get free
The revolution has already begun. It is a peaceful revolution. The ultimate power resides in the people and only by spreading the truth until we have a clear majority will we prevail.
Not really. 9/11 truth is doomed to its rightful place of minor importance as a sociological oddity alongside moon landing denial and belief in alien abduction. It was sunk like a stone in the scientific world. All you have is a list of petition signers. That's what the Creationists do too - put together lists of scientists who agree with them. So you have that in common with them. Congratulations.
Iceman is either completely oblivious or was hired and being payed by oligarchs to discredit the truth movement by any means possible. He sounds just like the politicians and media, just calling people "nut jobs" and "conspiracy theorists" without even challenging the facts. The fact is we we're all lied to. The Scientific Method doesn't lie. The more you begin investigate what we have been told to think or believe, the more you begin to see we've been lied to. You begin to see lies everywhere.
And if OBL doesn't exist, explain the Failed Times Square Bombing, Explain all the Soldiers killed in Afghanistan, explain the failed bombing of the WTC, explain all the other attacks outside the US... if you won't except any of these facts... than you can't except the Real World... Oh Well, I guess you can never Change an Extremist's mind...
Ok... You said it... people in the Real world use their eyes... so I suppose you were there on September 11th... I suppose you master in Physics, Engineering, and Aviation... I suppose you know everything there is to know about Demolition when really, you can't even figure out that there's fuel lines in WTC 7 running throughout the building to power the Back-Up Generators... maybe 8 Hours of Jet Fuel and Officer Fires can heat up those Fuel lines... Open YOUR Eyes Sir...
The video clip at the beginning of this composite video was enough for me. An objective person can see this is a CD. You don't have to be an expert. The video speaks for itself. NIST gave up the fraudulent diesel fuel fire hypothesis. See NCSTAR 1A pg 49 [pdf pg 91] wtc.nist[dot]gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1Aindex[dot]htm . . . . It was a fraud from the get go. z10.invisionfree[dot]com/Loose_Change_Forum/index[dot]php?showtopic=19261
Whatever you Say, I give up with all your Nut-Jobs, You Extremists will never change your mind anyway -_- Let me know when you find out what Reality looks like...
I understand how difficult it is for people to let go of their paranoia? Try this: Take the video to any structural building engineer (non-government) and ask their opinion; 99.9% will say this building was brought by demolition. BTW, I am a former steel worker who worked on structural steel beams for buildings of all types. I know it takes a lot (cutting certain load bearing steel beams) to bring down a building of this size. We are not paranoid, we just know the truth!
I understand how difficult it is for people to let go of their paranoia. Many people hate the government and so they'll believe the most outlandish nonsense about what the government is doing, such as blowing up the twin towers. Funny that they're very suspicious about what government employees say, yet they give a free pass to paranoid nutcase conspiracy believers and will swallow whatever crapola the nutcases spew.
You have it backwards. I believed the Official Conspiracy Theory about 19 nut-jobs getting by our military until I saw the first clip in this video. If you cannot see that this is a CD then you are willfully blind to it.
@PoetryZound Even with plane crash and the fire the steel can not help cause the jet fuel and normal fire cannot melt the steel cause it cant reach the melt point of the steel. And even if it did melt the whole building would fall and at same time. As yyou see on the tape the whole god dam building fell as one which can only be done by controlled demolition.
If you can't SEE the evidence here you're fooling yourself. Too many people in this country having a hard time with this evidence. We were born into indoctrination of pride for country so it's hard to let go of. But once you actually DO the research you see that everything is upside down and that we are living in the United States of the Corporation. WAR= BIG Business
yeah and neither of those buildings stated were hit by debris, partially destroying their support beams and leaving a giant pocket of air to feed the flames. nor do we know if those buildings had concrete surrounding the supports or outerwalls. not to mention if it was rigged by explosives they would of been involuntarily set of by the fires within minutes if not instantly!!
Top Obama Aide Wants Infiltration Of 9-11 Groups: Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.
NIST has some, they told me so when I filed a FoIA request 2 1/2 years ago. I have not refiled but others have. NIST has over 7,000 video clips they still will not release.
"It can't be because" is a threadbare denial tactic.
NIST admits that their hypothesis does not result in the observed collapse.
"The results of this scenario were consistent with the observations *except* that the screenwall on the roof fell downward before the west penthouse."
NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.2 pg 612 [pdf pg 274]
"The simultaneous failure of screenwall and west penthouse structures"
Right - and no one ever saw anything of the preparations in the weeks prior to 9/11. You do know how long the preparation of a CD takes?
You cannot just put a few sticks of dynamite somewhere in a building. Everything has to be calculated. AND there would have been detonating cords everywhere.
And if the "right" structural element is weakened and fails first it looks like a CD, cause the results are equal.
Yeah, I saw a new show called "the imploders" on tlc last night and they planning of a 5 or 6 story building (i dont know how many stories a shitload less than 110) anyway it took years to plan months to prepare and weeks to setup. And all the work needed before hand it is absolutely impossible that this work was not noticed.
The real question is: how the fuck do u get in a building? simple- open the door, wear a suit & walk in. Do u know just how many ways there are to penetrate a building? i suggest you look up something called no-tech hacking by johnny long
Theres nothing impossible about it especially if u can get a couple insiders to help you out. yeah someone definitely needs to study security methods & penetration testing
@swu880 You obviously have never seen a building that is wired to implode otherwise you wouldnt make such an ignorant statement. So much det chord around its hard to even walk through. Not to mention that not one single shred of explosive material such as det chord was found in the debris. Go make another tin foil had you idiot.
@thecandidate0607 Like i said: the real question is whether there is any way to set up explosives over the past weeks, months, or even years? is there ANY way?
we know that explosive energy is a MUST- its a requisite to bringing down the buildin in such a snooth instantaneous, even & controlled manner. u can't achieve freefall acceleration through itself & maintain it for 2.5seconds without the use of explosive energy blowing out the support
@thecandidate0607 so is it at all possible to gain access to the building & bring it down? quite a simple question- its obvious that the explosives had to be used since mere fires can not cause any instantaneous continuous even symmetrical collapse of any kind. u would be extremely lucky if you could even get fire to cause a single floor to instantly collapse
"Some might ask, how in the world could the Secretary of Defense attack the Pentagon in front of its people? To them I reply, I have no desire to attack the Pentagon; I want to liberate it. We need to save it from itself."
rumsfeld speech given on 09/10/2001
a common characteristic of an egotistical sociopath is to brag about what they are doing while they lie about it.
you're either part of the investigation, or you are part of the cover up.
According to page 48 of NIST's final report, issued Nov. 20, 2008, "after a more detailed analysis" "a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 seconds." NIST doesn't explain how the structural steel that supported those floors magically got out of the way so that they could fall as if nothing was below them, since the only possible explanation is controlled demolition. During freefall, all gravitational energy becomes motion.
If you look along the right side of the building as it starts to go down you can obviously see black smoke emit from demolition charges coming from every floor straight up the building in perfect succession. OBVIOUS AS HELL.
NIST has been forced to acknowledge that WTC 7 fell AT free fall for 105 feet. They cannot get their black box computer model to replicate this because a progressive collapse cannot result in free fall. WTC 7 was a CD!
9/11 was an obvious demolition job. No steel structure building has ever fell straght down because of a fire or because of airplanes. What a bunch of lies we were told.
What a Bunch of lies your were told... you were brain washed by a bunch of Tin-Foil hat wearing Mentally ill crazies... and therefore you should be tried for Treason in court... and your wrong... WTC 7 Collapsed to due to fire and the multiple gasoline tanks to power the backup generators... THAT'S what helped bring it down and you would think... would they build it so that if it were to come down it would take down other buildings? or would they build it so it fell straight down..
the WTC Steel was not MELTED but WEAKENED by 50% by the Office Fires and Jet fuel for a certain amount of time... and with all that extra weight above where the aircraft hit... and the walls buckling, it was probably going to come down anyway... and those "Explosions" are from the compressed air from the top floors collapsing onto the others... where else is the air supposed to go? it blows out the windows thats what... ask the firefighters who witnessed it themselves
And How dare you go against the US Government... if you live in the US, then get out... you don't belong here, if you don't live here than stay out... also... it's disguisting how you think those innocent people were killed by the Government when they were really killed by Terrorists, you people disgust me... have fun living inside the fake world of yours
The other buildings that were on fire (I was @ the fire in Los Angeles) were just that, fires They didn't have jet planes ramming into them,fully loaded with jet propulsion fuel. Think of it, I can drive from Baltimore airport where the hi-jackers took off from) to the twin towers. It's not that far away. Those planes were going @ a very high rate of speed and were loaded with JP fuel. That's not the case with any of the other buildings.
Even if the building had a major fire or major damage it still would not explain why it fell straight down on its own footprint. This was an obvious demolition job.
WTC 7 was only 300 ft. away form the towers? That's not very far away. I thought it was farther away like 300 yards. If it was 300 ft. away it could have been incredibly damaged. Just wondering if this is so.
Truthers fail to find any physical evidence. Where are the blasting caps? The detonation cord? The shock tubes, etc? And if it was thermite, where's the evidence of that. The narration in these videos doesn't mention the video is shot from the NORTH side, but the fires were started from the SOUTH side, meaning the entire building was burning througout, from one side all the way to the other. Look up some firefighters quotes about WTC 7 fires and you'll find the truth. No demolition!
There were fires on floors 8,11,12 and 13 at different times in the area of the initiating event. These fires burned for 20 to 30 minutes in any location. According to the NIST L report, the fire on floor 12 had burned out by about 4:45 p.m.
The NIST final Draft fire simulation has fire burning around column 79 at 5:20 p.m.
This is only one of the many problems with the Final Fantasy.
The fires that you could see, were on the North face, but the source of the fires, air plane crashes was by the South face. This means the entire floor, from South to North was burning - the entire length of the building! If you researched all the interviews with firefighters, not just one obscure one that Alex Jones and Dylan Avery dig up, you'll understand the building was indeed severely damaged, burning severely. Rather than use the term, "Final Fantasy" - do a measured inquiry.
You truthers always discredit the NIST, FEMA, CIA, FBI, and any other US government organization as being "in on it" because their reports have errors of ommission, but then you take information from those same reports to desperately reach for this inside job conclusion. No truther has ever been able to develop a list of guilty parties. Saying "911 was an inside job" is a statement of certainty, but why have you truthers never published a list of guilty parties? Who is guilty?
all debris was disposed of quickly without proper analysis. Also, no matter how severe the damage was to the south side of the building by debris or fire that doesn't explain why it 'collapsed' into the path of most resistance.
WTC 7 was 47 storeys tall, making the ratio of height to width more extreme. With such a design, a stress factor called, Euler stress is more intense than with shorter more boxy structures. The unusual design of WTC 7, combined with damage, fire, and Euler Stress are the known causal factors in its collapse. I wouldn't say collapsing in accordance with the direction of the the pull of gravity is the path of most resistance because the failing strucure was unable to resist the above factors.
First of all, WTC 7 was built on a grid design like vitualally all other skyscrapers (hundreds more its height), making nothing 'unusual' about its design. But enough about that tangent. You still fail to answer the question of why there are SQUIDS visible during the implsion. And though you've talked around the problem by bringing up a facter that has nothing to do with your point, Euler Stress, you still haven't answered the question of why it 'collaped' into the path of most resistance.
It was not built like all other skyscrapers. It had a unique design, and was designed according to the substructures it was straddling. I haven't failed to answer why there "SQUIDS" because I was never asked. I do know that there weren't any SQUIBS, that concept is a result of improper video analysis of people that don't know anything. Euler stress has everything to do with my point, it is a factor in the collapse that does not support controlled demolition or the inside job fantasy.
Also, it didn't collapse into the path of most resistance, because, if you actually could read, you would see that I wrote the failing structure was unable to resist the above factors. If you could read between the lines, you'd understand, the building gave way through a combination of factors: damage, fire, design flaws, Euler stress, to name the obvious known factors. I admit not everything is known about the collapse, but controlled demoltion is unrealistic. How did the bombs get there?
Euler stress deals with calculating stress concentrations in individual beams, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. It doesn't help your argument for why a building would "collapse" and cruble directly down instead of in any other direction. Unless all virticle columns failed at exactly the same time the building would fall in the direction of whichever virticle column failed first and the intact virticle column(s) would divert the path from being straight.
Euler stress does explain why it came straight down, because of the height of the building, enormous force was directed downwards. And if you examine the full length video, you'll see that this collapse occurs in stages. The centrally located penthouse falls in first, which then pulls the interal supports inward (not seen in the video, but we can infer this). The whole system gets pulled into the middle causing what appears to be a single instantaneous event. But it falls in stages.
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Stages? That's why you see the full shape of the building coming down all at once. Again, this all happens because of a few failed lateral columns at the base...
punctual, ever seen how they bring down a building when they don't have money to emplode it ? they use a crane with a wrecking ball..and this process takes months b-cuz buildings are built to stick together by concrete , metal and steal..they can only come apart in chunks, bits and pieces.
they bash that shit all weak and it doesnt collapse in a free fall matter into a nice lil pile.but a plane hitting a large building is going to bring it down ? into a nice lil pile ? free falling ?
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No physical evidence was recovered or witnessed by the clean up crews that have experience in this area. No blasting caps, shock tubes, detonation chord, etc. Then there's the question of motive - why would the government need to blow up a building? It just doesn't make any sense. Who would do it? Why? And also, how? When? It's just too big an operation to demolish a building covertly in downtown Manhattan.
Haven't you ever looked into this? 7,000,000,000 profit on a 15,000,000 investment. Now that's just the insurance. Now add on the revitalization of lower manhatan once the site is rebuilt. The new building 7, opened 2006, is much more efficient and that's just the first building rebuilt. The overall profit for Larry Silverstein and building contractors is incalculable. Now that's just the tip of the iceberg; what about the politics...
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Yes, stages, the Penthouse collapsed six seconds before the rest of the structure. This means there were stages to the collapse, there was an internal collapse, that pulled in lateral columns in such a way that the remaining columns were unable to support the massive Euler stress and then it just snapped...in stages.
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Of course WTC 7 was insured. All major buildings in Manhattan and every other center big and small have an insurance dollar value attached. That's not surprising. Why would someone that is already fabulously wealthy, powerful, and privelidged, risk everything for this mass murder plot? If you had evidence of blasting caps, shock tubes, detonation chord, you would have my attention, but you've got vague suspicions that don't amount to substantial proof of guilt.
punctual, all the columns had to be precisely cut at such angles for any building short or tall to collapse in a free fall fashion .Thats while no building has ever collapsed that way...unless its been demolitioned...now for the floors pancaked theory ? if that was the case then all a demolition crew needs to do from now on is take out several of the top floors but they don't b-cuz A. the build. wont fall into its own foot print and B. half of the building will remain standing.
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I never said it was a freefall collapse because it wasn't. There was an internal collapse (indicated by the penthouse collapsing 6 seconds before catastrophic failure). Yes, I agree steel and concrete is incredibly tough, but I have to consider logic - a large scale demolition opperation could not be carried out and leave no physical evidence on the ground. No building employee ever reported the truck loads of equipment needed to pull this theory off.
well actually people that worked their DID see workers with a lot af `wire reels` amongst other things when the towers were shut down for `maintanence` about a month before 911. and you say theres no evidence!? how about pools of lava from thermate? how about supporting beams cut at perfect angles? theres plenty more but who do u think cleaned it all up? the FBI and THEIR contactors. 2 hours and two skyscrapers perfectly in there own foot print. CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
USA is now so Weak NEO CONS could litteraly Come on CNN or MSNBC and say yes we set up 9/11 and killed everybody and stole all that Gold under the Buildings...Nobody will do anything in any State: WHY?- Good Food and Comfortable living in USA....Even McDonalds YOu all will not Fight too much good life to lose!NOw in Iraq Life is Shit nothing to lose!
"Any time someone says something is obvious I know it's not so obvious"
If u see an orange, u know it's an orange, right? Orange color, certain skin, certain shape/form.
If I see a CD, I know it's one. How? All supportstructure failing at the same time, symmetrical collapse without much or any resistance, into it's own footprint.
Pretty obvious I would say.
I don't know why I would EVEN TRY to see if a combo of fire & local damage, coupled with the design, could give the same result.
It is obvious 9/11 was an inside job blamed on Muslims. The oil companies are getting rich and they are still charging double for gasoline. What a scam!
He is right somebody needs to Hijack a Akula Clas Submarine and shove NUke missles up Cheney and Bush's ass ten missles in Jackson Hole Wyoming and Ten in CRawford Texas around Jan 2009...
Who ever did this had to have some real training or done this before and since only a handful of companies IN USA capable this is only strange part..Not even US Military can do this no way --this is exclusive to Demolition Engineers of the highest ranks..so how is my question.....ONly CDI could drop WTC 7 so perfect but they are clean as whistle. NO question ever on that...
Dude your bang on the money...Remember the anthrax letters? One was sent to two senators and some civilians, one of the civilians contacted the FBI and informed them that it was high grade anthrax, therefore it could only of come from the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick,the FBI said they would look into it, but later that week the institute was demolished...guess who got the contract ? CDI , they also receive around 80% of their contracts (pt2)
(pt2)from the government, CDI was also instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the WTC steel. CEO Mark Loizeaux's CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel.(pt3)
(pt3)...now correct me if im wrong but ....wasnt ground zero a crime scene?....therefore every part of the collapsed buildings should have been held as evidence and analysed...Giuliani (being a former prosecution lawyer) would know that..yet he allowed CDI and Co to dispose of the evidence asap..the steel went to China..to make knives and forks etc etc.
Word of warning about poetryhound..he or she is a government paid shill, myself and many others have consistently proved him/her to be a liar
Cdi told to keep quiet by FBI and others in Homeland Security. They are the very best..Only other experts without question you have all seen thier work in Las Vegas and in Movies like Enemy of The State.
CDI whixh is 30 minutes from me right now told to keep mouths shut about 9/11 --CDI Cockeysville,Maryland best of the best...They are Honest and The best but I bet they can give better than expert Opnion..The are the Experts...
Same Bastards that have now destroyed USA economy--Same Creeps on Wall Street who F##$ed this country again for last 6 years...We are doomed! 09/25/2008
This was the only part of Loose Change I ever BOUGHT 100% and has never been explained away even remotely. Does this prove our government did it all? No. But the truth is the TRUTH, if it fits our world perception or not. Hence the title ,9/11 TRUTH, I suppose.
WTC7 is a real litmus test. Seeing an evil plot behind the collapse of a skyscraper that had been burning out of control for several hours is evidence that your suspicion has gotten the better of your critical thinking. The fact that hardhats were warning people in the streets well in advance of the collapse tells me that there was no mystery about its condition. The fact that news stations reported its collapse even before it happened tells me no one was the least bit surprised. End of story.
unRompecabezas 1 week ago
@unRompecabezas
Beyond the obvious fact that the implosion of WTC 7 could not be anything but a controlled demolition there is indisputable scientific proof of free fall acceleration for about 100 feet and that can only occur if all the supporting structure on 7 floors is REMOVED in a precisely timed manner.
Furthermore, the fire that NIST says started the "collapse" had burned out over an hour before the "collapse". Details here: truthphalanx . com/chris_sarns/
chrissarns 1 week ago
@chrissarns "the implosion of WTC 7 could not be anything but a controlled demolition"
This kind of puerile overstatement is the reason people dismiss truth activists as unscientific and delusional. How are you so sure there's no other explanation?
You could talk to some of the firefighters who knew WTC7 was doomed hours before it finally fell. But that would smack of objectivity, and you can't allow reality to intrude on your fantasy world.
unRompecabezas 1 week ago
@unRompecabezas
You should read the final report on WTC 7. The firefighters could not possibly have known the building would collapse the way it did. The fires did not reach the area where the "collapse" began until hours later.
They were told by an anonymous "engineer" that WTC 7 would collapse - 5 hours before it did [Chief Hayden said so in the BBC program "The Third Tower"]. That is absurd. No one could have predicted a natural collapse, only a planned demolition.
chrissarns 6 days ago
@chrissarns Then why is there footage even in ae911truth's WTC7 video of hardhats warning people in the street that the building was about to blow up? You think maybe its condition was no secret? Or were the evil henchmen told to go down and make sure everyone knew that a deliberate demolition was in the works?
unRompecabezas 6 days ago
@chrissarns I really think it's sad that truth activists fixate on the collapse of WTC7 and read all sorts of sinister meaning into its fate. The building had been on fire, gushing smoke into the sky, for several hours.
Don't you have any interest in the people who died in the Twin Towers? How about the millions dead in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is building 7 really all that important in the grand scheme of things?
unRompecabezas 6 days ago
@unRompecabezas
Sad is the fanatically faithful denying that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition and what that implies.
You did not read my post so here it is again:
"the fire that NIST says started the "collapse" had burned out over an hour before the "collapse". Details here: truthphalanx . com/chris_sarns/ "
It is for all the people that were murdered on 9/11 and all those who have died because of it that I have dedicated my life to exposing the truth about 9/11.
chrissarns 6 days ago
@chrissarns How does an amateur like you decide that the building couldn't have collapsed due to thermal expansion from the fire, and contraction during cooling afterward, just because the fire had supposedly gone out after having raged for several hours?
As I asked before, if you're truly interested in what happened to WTC7, why not ask the firefighters yourself?
Otherwise, it seems like you're fixating on the least significant part of the events of 9/11, and ignoring the real tragedy.
unRompecabezas 6 days ago
@unRompecabezas
The NIST hypotheses is thermal expansion, not thermal contraction.
The fire on floor 12 had definitely burned out.
NIST appendix L pg 26
Around 4:45 p.m., a photograph showed ... Floor 12 was burned out by this time.
There is no need to talk to the firefighters. NIST interviewed them, reviewed the evidence and determined that the debris damage did not play a roll in the collapse initiation.
Whoever rigged WTC 7 knew the TT were going to be destroyed.
chrissarns 6 days ago
@chrissarns I don't get it. Your amateur opinion is that the building should have been fine since one of the fires had gone out?
You have no evidence that WTC was "rigged." Don't confuse speculation with evidence.
unRompecabezas 6 days ago
@unRompecabezas
It was the fire that supposedly started the collapse. Therefore, the NIST "collapse" hypothesis did not happen.
The free fall acceleration for 100 feet is not just evidence of, it is proof of controlled demolition.
You are obviously arguing ad nauseam and will never stop so I am blocking you. G'day
chrissarns 6 days ago
@unRompecabezas
In the final report it states that the debris damage had little [actually nothing] to do with the "collapse initiation" that started at the other end of the building.
BTW: I will not tolerate insults. Keep your responses to the point or you will be blocked.
chrissarns 6 days ago
@chrissarns Well, since the Towers had collapsed several hours before WTC7 did, that's a no-brainer. But the debris did start fires in WTC7 and sever the water lines into the building. So indirectly, the debris damage did set the stage for the collapse.
And since two steel-framed buildings had indeed collapsed from fire just that morning, firefighters were taking no chances with WTC7. Why don't you ask the firefighters?
Why don't you talk to them, Chris?
unRompecabezas 6 days ago
@unRompecabezas
You suggestion that I talk to the firefighters is pure sarcasm. I have already explained that they were told the building was going to collapse by an unnamed "engineer".
If you actually read what the firefighters said, only 3 thought WTC 7 was going to collapse and they got that from the "engineer". All the rest heard it thru the grapevine.
The debris DAMAGE had nothing to do with the collapse, your double talk notwithstanding.
chrissarns 6 days ago
@roquefortfiles A bucket of thermite? Oh please. A big demolition job requires tons and tons of thermite, which I always have secretly brought into the building without anyone noticing.
unRompecabezas 1 month ago
@unRompecabezas
There was remodeling going on all the time in the Trade Towers. It would be easy to rig the buildings under the guise of remodel and repair. Kevin Ryan demolition access - scoop .co .nz/stories/HL0907/S00124 .htm
chrissarns 1 week ago
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@chrissarns "There was remodeling going on all the time in the Trade Towers. It would be easy to rig the buildings under the guise of remodel and repair."
Oh, of course. Precision demolition jobs, particularly when they involve tons of incendiary powder, are "easy" to prepare without anyone noticing.
Truther world is a magic place, isn't it?
unRompecabezas 1 week ago
@roquefortfiles So I'm going to assume that Building 7 didn't look like a Cd either? So my name is Grandma Mable. Let me find you a video that was a controlled demoltion, and it looked very similar to the twin towrs
puppetmaster195 1 month ago
@puppetmaster195 Well Ms (Or Mrs?) Mable no the WTC does not look like a CD. And a CD has loads and loads of material left over afterward. So much that companies have to clean it up. (You don't get something for nothing). And nobody found ZIP at any of the buildings. And lots of trained people were there.
And B7?
There was a team of CD techs already there and they watched it come down.
I don't need to spell it out for you do i?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@alexjones67 The WTC collapse in no way resembles a CD. There is nothing Controlled at all about it. And the collapse is nothing BUT resistance. There is a huge difference. Had explosives been involved the collapse would look totally different.
You have very little understanding about what you are writing about.
I would say don't be ignorant to you. But what's the point?
You people are ignorance and stupidity on steroids
You could be informed if you wanted to.
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
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@roquefortfiles Richard Gage is telling the truth but you are afraid to face it. Your government is not innocent and never was innocent. You are too stupid to realize anything that goes on in your life. You believe anything that people tell you instead of checking for facts and asking questions. You people don't like to ask questions and thats why the government will take you guys like fools.
azar783402bn 1 month ago
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@roquefortfiles The official story of 9/11 is BULLSHIT and you know it. I am not the one acting like a 12 year old! You are. You are the one acting up here not me so please don't even go there. And don't repeat what I said because it is really annoying.
azar783402bn 1 month ago
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there was never any evidence of any explosives discovered at the site. be it RDX, PETN or SEMTEX. NONE. no residue.
no evidence of any of the columns cut when Sandia & DAS collected steel for forensic testing.
its a non-issue from the word go.
another fact: Demo'd buildings always collapse from the bottom up.
WTC 7 collapsed from the top down. this makes it simply impossible to be a demolition. in addition FDNY and NYPD were the only personnel allowed around the building or access inside.
1MtnBoy 4 months ago
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It's called a cantilevered lateral truss kids. and this is why you will never see that design in a tall building ever again.
these two steel structures are completely different designs.
WTC 7 did not have an internal web configuration like the other buildings in WTC and this one.
If you bother to read a little bit for yourself and look at the construction drafts for the column lay out, the weak point is painfully obvious.
WTC 7 was built over a Conn-Edison substation and had a unique design.
1MtnBoy 4 months ago
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WE HAVE THE VIDEO OF WTC7 BEING DEMOLISHED. THE VIDEO SHOWS THE EXPLOSIONS AND IT HAS THE AUDIO. ...ARREST LARRY SILVERSTEIN, NOW!!!
SEARCH: "!MUST WATCH NOW! Visible Explosions !NEW VIDEO! SEPT 2011 WTC Building 7 Controlled Demolition"
Born2Flesh 4 months ago in playlist More videos from chrissarns
Nice, short, to the point, shows the common sense aspect of it, Go to *AE911TRUTH*
Headshothorror4488 5 months ago
planes have been hitting buildings since the wright bros,includeing the empire state building,One in korea burned for a week and none of them ever collapsed due to plane or fire, So were to believe a plane that the builders of the twin towers said that couldnt fall because of the fail safe way they built it, So who do you want to believe the ppl who made millions and millions of dollars because of the attacks or the ppl who can see the truth for what it is,
surfjerr 5 months ago
I am removing the juvenile comments that contain the words "retard" and the like.
chrissarns 5 months ago
I would just like a simple, succinct explanation of why this would be an inside job...I've heard so many reasons... what's yours?
mrsjacobsen 8 months ago
Building tenants? Like OMG!! I guess in the truther mind a good way to get rid of evidence is to blow up a building. Yes GONE forever off the face of the earth!!.
BTW FDNY Chief Nigro knew all about this building and its probable collapse. He was standing in front of it when it fell. Not a sound was heard. And trained Demo techs were on the pile afterward. Absolutely NOTHING of Control Demolition was found.
A very silly theory.
Move on people!! Get over it.
roquefortfiles 9 months ago
@roquefortfiles
Chief Nigro had just seen the Trade Towers come down, killing hundreds of his brother firefighters. He acted out of an abundance of caution. The debris damage was not that severe and there was no collapse because of it. The final report says that the debris damage had little effect on the collapse [actually none] There were fires on 10 floors according to the final report [NCSTAR 1A pg 18-21]
NIST did not look for explosives so they didn't find any.
chrissarns 9 months ago
@chrissarns Oh i see. . And your telling me a team of trained demolition techs who were present on the pile after the collapse don't know what a controlled demolition looks like while they are standing on it.? Brett Blanchard and his team were there. And after a CD this material is ridiculously easy to recover. It is EVERYWHERE.
Zero found.
Absurd.
roquefortfiles 9 months ago
@roquefortfiles
Blanchard is not a CD expert and his team was not on the pile. They were several blocks away like everyone else. He does overpressure analysis for conventional explosives and videos demos. Like you, he knows nothing about nano-thermite and how it could be used in a demo.
I know your type and you will keep posting the same old arguments from the deniers playbook. Don't bother posting again.
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@chrissarns "Blanchard is not a CD expert"
Of course he is. He know far more about demolitions than anyone posing as a demo expert among the truthers with the exception of Jowenko who said WTC 1 & 2 were not CDs.
As for nanothermite, Jones/Harrit have acknowledged that it was used IN ADDITION to conventional explosives. No detritus of conventional explosives found by anyone.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
Since WTC 7 was constructed over a Con Ed station, how did the structural framing compensate for the station and how did that influence the collapse?
How much nanothermite did Niels Harrit estimate was used in the supposed controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, & 7?
If a postcard could survive the Hindenburg inferno isn't it possible for a passport to survive the WTC collapse?
ctcole77 3 months ago
@roquefortfiles I don't think the Brett Blanchard team did a very good job, and I wonder why? There was a rush to clean up the crime scene and they obviously missed finding the spheres of sulfur thermate molten metals in the dust, and the obviously shaped charges that severed the steel beams. But Hey, why be so hard on Brett Blanchard? After all, NIST changed their theory after seven long years of delay and they STILL HAD TO ADMIT Free Fall collapse after they denied it. Give Brett a break!
WillSee11 8 months ago
@roquefortfiles Hey, if you can look at the video above and conclude "Yup, looks like a fire collapse to me ahright" then there is nothing else we can say to you. If you believe fire can take down a 600 ft STEEL building perfectly vertically at free fall speed, then I can not debate anything with you.
Gubermint loves you, don't forget to pay your taxes buddy, gubermint loves you.
pepelapiu2004 1 month ago
@pepelapiu2004 Well for one thing it didn't fall vertically. It keeled over backwards and laid itself across the street behind. Hardly symmetrical. If you bother to look at the video one guy posted here you can see the top 6 stories are perfectly intact and rest on the street. CD don't do this.
In fact a CD team watched this building come down when it happened. A rather ridiculous prospect, wouldn't you say?
And nobody found ZIP relating to a CD.
Shall i continue?
roquefortfiles 1 month ago
@roquefortfiles
WTC 7 fell at free fall acceleration for about 100 feet. That is symmetrical and straight down. Free fall means that all the supporting structure was removed on 7 floors is a precisely timed manner. That could only be done with some form of explosives.
The building fell a little to one side when it hit resistance as many controlled demolitions do. But it landed mostly in it's own foot print [NIST appendix L pg 33].
chrissarns 1 week ago
@chrissarns That could only be done with some form of explosives. Why????
Once the building reaches failure point forget it. The structure is failing internally LONG before it finally drops. The roof is peeling away and dropping because all the internal supports are collapsing.
Ever been to a CD? I have. Trust me everyone would know about it if there were explosives in this building.
In ANY of the buildings for that matter. A very silly topic.
roquefortfiles 1 week ago
@roquefortfiles
You are in denial or you don't understand the physics required for free fall acceleration. Bending steel framework provides resistance and there was NO resistance for about 100 feet.
chrissarns 1 week ago
@chrissarns You don't drop buildings without high explosives. And thinking it is going to be accomplished with a powdered incendiary is living in dreamland.
You want to know what shaped charges would have sounded like? Especially in lower Manhattan!!
watch?v=obJe66QHx_Y&feature=related
There are half a dozen videos of 7 coming down. Ashley Banfield in fact, is on CNN live when it happens.
Show me ONE with audio like i have posted.
You won't. Prove me wrong.
roquefortfiles 1 week ago
@roquefortfiles
You continue to ignore the physics in favor of the denial tactic "it can't be because". Analysis of the Ashley Banfield clip:
watch?v=ERhoNYj9_fg&feature=player_embedded
You assume that you know all there is to know - you don't. Nano-thermite can be engineered to cut steel without the excessive noise of conventional explosives because the 4500 degree molten iron does most of the cutting.
technologyreview. com/read_article.aspx?id=14105&ch=nanotech%20}
chrissarns 1 week ago
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@chrissarns "The final report says that the debris damage had little effect on the collapse"
If the NIST scientists were, as you claim, engaging in fraud, then why would you give credence to what they say on anything? Why pick and choose? Maybe all of it is fraudulent and maybe the debris damage really did have an effect on the collapse.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
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@chrissarns "Chief Nigro had just seen the Trade Towers come down. . . He acted out of an abundance of caution."
But he and the other firefighters only said WTC 7 was likely to collapse. They didn't form a collapse zone around WTC 3,4,5, and 6. Why not, especially if the fires were, as truthers usually claim, far worse than at WTC 7?
PoetryHound 4 months ago
3 QUESTIONS 911 TRUTHERS DON'T WANT YOU TO ASK THEM:
If the ever so powerful govt. could commit and cover up 911, why did they have to destroy a building (WTC 7) just to destroy some documents?
Couldn't the govt. just haul the documents away and dump them into the ocean?
And do you really believe that those were the only copies?
ctcole77 3 months ago
@roquefortfiles Most of the rubble and evidence where removed immediately,"We were able to move 120 dumptrucks out of the city last night, which will give you a sense of the work that was done overnight. So, some of the debris has already been removed."
- Mayor Rudy Giuliani, 9/12 press conference seen on NBC LIVE at 9:52 a.m. Silly theory how they the trained demo techs were on the pile, when most of it was removed that fast, also called tampering with evidence
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@PurePowerPunk Right. Hundreds of trained individuals suddenly have no clue about their profession. Not one shred of CD material was even seen. I don't if you're too up on what a CD is like but i can tell you... you don't get something for nothing. This doesn't take place and then magically clean itself up. Volumes of material always remains
It is an entirely ridiculous theory through and through.
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles so, like the 1,500 plus engineers and architects, who say the building where brought down using explosives, doesn't mean anything? Some Scientist say thermite residue was found on site, some of the same people you are referring too, interesting.
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@PurePowerPunk so, like the 1,500 plus engineers and architects, who say the building where brought down using explosives.
Ok.. explain how there was nothing found in the rubble. ZERO. Hundreds of trained people were there. These people suddenly have no clue about their profession?
You don't get something for nothing. Material always remains after a CD. It does not all magically disappear.
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles That's just is pal, not a single thing was found, no plane parts, body parts, no office desk,computers, everything was blown to dust, you just answered it yourself bud.
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@PurePowerPunk Plane parts? The 911 museum has many plane parts
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@PurePowerPunk Go and tell a CD tech that your going to knock a building over using thermite..Thermate (whatever the hell you want to call it)..
They'd laugh at you and say.. "Good luck with that". You don't slice huge steel columns with an incendiary. This requires high explosives.. RDX or similar. There is a reason shaped charges are used. Because they do the job. The Chief of the FDNY stood directly in front of B7 when it fell and heard nothing.
Its allot of nonsense.
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles Ok, that's all good and stuff, but there where explosions also going off in the buildings, reported by numerous firefighters, cops and other people there. Also, there is video proof explosions going off.
William Rodriguez, I'm sure you researched him as well? Please check out my uploads, watch every video I have on here. I'm open minded to some things, like the statement made by the Chief of the FDNY, but there other things unanswered. Check the link out Im going to email you
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@PurePowerPunk I don't doubt there were explosions going off. There was 10k gallons of Jet A1 fuel in the building. It exploded on several other floors other than the impact area. I know what a shaped charge sounds like close up. I have been there. I have seen numerous vids of B7 collapse. And we hear nothing. Also corroborated by the FDNY chief. The "CD" thing is an entirely ridiculous statement.
As for the WTC? not a peep here!!
watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I
roquefortfiles 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles 10 gallons which burned off quickly, that's why you see a person standing where the gapping hole was, not even 10 to 15 minutes after it happened, so much for that intense fire and heat. How about Kevin McPhadden, a former air force service member and 1st responder that day? He heard a count down over the walkie talkies, then after 3,2,1 he like 100's of others heard multiply explosions going off, so 100's vs the chief, 1 person? I'll take the 100's over your 1.
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles you say not a peep here? watch?v=w9npCtqCuRU
watch?v=wV69ZByB0xE <~~~~~ there's an actual explosion going off, not a peep though
watch?v=6zEmVsUnaOg<~~~ Pentagon witness, plus others on my page
PurePowerPunk 6 months ago
@roquefortfiles we get it. 2 + 2 = 5 right? Physics don't matter on 911. Accelerated free fall is not possible with a fire-caused collapse, only possible with explosives. Doesn't matter if firefighters or police were told it was going to fall, the fact that they knew actually confirms someone had knowledge of the controlled demolition.
edyken77 2 months ago
@edyken77 Does 2+2 =5? In your guys world it sure as hell does.
only possible with explosives. If i had a dime for every time i read these kinds of statements given by people who have no idea what they're writing about. I'd have allot of dimes.
Oh really?? (I think its time for a quote!!)
"Several demolition teams had reached Ground Zero by 3:00 pm on 9/11, and these individuals witnessed the collapse of WTC 7 from within a few hundred feet of the event.
roquefortfiles 2 months ago
@roquefortfiles not my words actually, just those from physicists and engineers and explosives experts. People way more qualified than me.
edyken77 2 months ago
@edyken77 Explosives experts were AT Building 7 when it came down.
Kind of more than a ridiculous statement. Wouldn't you say?
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@roquefortfiles Whether it was a deliberate cover-up of forensic evidence or total ignorance and incompetence, NIST being an arm of the U.S. government, we can safely say that the U.S. government has not told the truth to the public regarding the existence of molten steel in the basements of the WTC towers. NIST has failed in their mission of studying the factors contributing to the probable cause (or causes) of post-impact collapse of the WTC Towers.
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@roquefortfiles The planes were SHREDDED by the buildings' structure.
See the Youtube videos showing a plane being slammed by rocket sled into a 3 foot thick reinforced concrete wall. The plane is reduced to fragments at impact.
The concrete wall shows scarcely a dent or scratch.
Obviously all 3 WTC builds were brought down by controlled demolition
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excuse me, what kind of data do we need? a building burns for 6 hours, spreads to a somewhat unknown amount of floors. that's because the smoke is abstracted from the smoke of WTC 1&2.
Same side as usual. Now how about some video from the opposite side of the building, where the large gash can be seen clearly? Why don't theorists ever show us this side? There's many pictures of it. But I'm sorry to say,I am NOT gonna go search for those 4u.U say research,so do it.
Fieve. :(
FievelJ69 10 months ago
if you wake up in the morning and see snow on the ground, you can reasonably conclude that it snowed the night before. Even though you did not see it snow or have proof that it snowed the night before, you cannot deny the snow you are standing in; if you watch videos of controlled demolitions vs. fires, one must conclude that this is a demolition
cheetocairo 1 year ago
@Iceman5164 WOW! you had 13 people that agreed with you.
vengencefrom1979 1 year ago
@taledarkside with the considerable cost savings and lack of danger by not using explosives, using fire to bring down steel structures is clearly the obvious choice. How it took so many years to realize that fire brings down steel buildings is staggering. All those wasted explosives on all those buildings and the manpower costs involved. Some kerosene, office furniture and paper could save loads of money.
rushfan9thcmd 1 year ago
@rushfan9thcmd
It wouldn'tbe cost savings because the insurance and lawsuits would be even higher since it isn't a controlled method
There would be no office funiture or paper in an empty building thats sold. a building that is demolitioned is gutted because there is a lot of valuable items that are resold.
taledarkside 1 year ago
@taledarkside just what part of this government gives a damn about cost savings? The more the merrier for these clowns. Our great grandchildren will never get out from what has been done. As for a controlled method you mention, just how does fire bring down 3 steel structured buildings? But only the ones owned by Uncle Larry. Funny, he takes out a big policy before the events and Haliburton buys the cleanup company right before the oil spill. Plenty of money made from the events.
rushfan9thcmd 1 year ago
Maybe the government destroyed the building because it housed info it didn't want to get into the hands of the enemy.
redvdub70 1 year ago
@redvdub70 Why not look it up, what D. Rumsfeld had to say on 9/10 2001 ? Here on youtube : DoD presscon 9/10 2001
MrLorack 1 year ago
@redvdub70 What enemy? If the government brought down the towers and not terrorists then what enemy are we talking about?
Ahlywog 10 months ago
why bother with shape charges, set it on fire and let it go. Fire brings down all buildings even steel ones. Well, only in New York. Get some construction guys to cut a couple beams and set it on fire. Should be down in about an hour or so. Why pay big money to a demolition crew when you can burn it down.
rushfan9thcmd 1 year ago
we need to start a revolution guys we might die but a revolution wont die!we need to stop being cowards and take whats ours. fuck the police lets get free
freewaykingscrews 1 year ago
@freewaykingscrews
The revolution has already begun. It is a peaceful revolution. The ultimate power resides in the people and only by spreading the truth until we have a clear majority will we prevail.
chrissarns 1 year ago 4
@chrissarns "The revolution has already begun"
You said that 4 months ago. How's your revolution coming along?
bagintree 10 months ago
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@chrissarns "The revolution has already begun"
Not really. 9/11 truth is doomed to its rightful place of minor importance as a sociological oddity alongside moon landing denial and belief in alien abduction. It was sunk like a stone in the scientific world. All you have is a list of petition signers. That's what the Creationists do too - put together lists of scientists who agree with them. So you have that in common with them. Congratulations.
PoetryHound 4 months ago
@freewaykingscrews word thanks for the heads up
freewaykingscrews 1 year ago
Iceman is either completely oblivious or was hired and being payed by oligarchs to discredit the truth movement by any means possible. He sounds just like the politicians and media, just calling people "nut jobs" and "conspiracy theorists" without even challenging the facts. The fact is we we're all lied to. The Scientific Method doesn't lie. The more you begin investigate what we have been told to think or believe, the more you begin to see we've been lied to. You begin to see lies everywhere.
FunkyBassLiness 1 year ago
@chrissarns
And if OBL doesn't exist, explain the Failed Times Square Bombing, Explain all the Soldiers killed in Afghanistan, explain the failed bombing of the WTC, explain all the other attacks outside the US... if you won't except any of these facts... than you can't except the Real World... Oh Well, I guess you can never Change an Extremist's mind...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@chrissarns
Ok... You said it... people in the Real world use their eyes... so I suppose you were there on September 11th... I suppose you master in Physics, Engineering, and Aviation... I suppose you know everything there is to know about Demolition when really, you can't even figure out that there's fuel lines in WTC 7 running throughout the building to power the Back-Up Generators... maybe 8 Hours of Jet Fuel and Officer Fires can heat up those Fuel lines... Open YOUR Eyes Sir...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Iceman5164
The video clip at the beginning of this composite video was enough for me. An objective person can see this is a CD. You don't have to be an expert. The video speaks for itself. NIST gave up the fraudulent diesel fuel fire hypothesis. See NCSTAR 1A pg 49 [pdf pg 91] wtc.nist[dot]gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1Aindex[dot]htm . . . . It was a fraud from the get go. z10.invisionfree[dot]com/Loose_Change_Forum/index[dot]php?showtopic=19261
chrissarns 1 year ago
@chrissarns
Whatever you Say, I give up with all your Nut-Jobs, You Extremists will never change your mind anyway -_- Let me know when you find out what Reality looks like...
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@chrissarns Ignore iceman. His profile says hes 15. At 15 he doesn't know what reality looks like either.
Ahlywog 10 months ago
I understand how difficult it is for people to let go of their paranoia? Try this: Take the video to any structural building engineer (non-government) and ask their opinion; 99.9% will say this building was brought by demolition. BTW, I am a former steel worker who worked on structural steel beams for buildings of all types. I know it takes a lot (cutting certain load bearing steel beams) to bring down a building of this size. We are not paranoid, we just know the truth!
yhenry77 1 year ago
I understand how difficult it is for people to let go of their paranoia. Many people hate the government and so they'll believe the most outlandish nonsense about what the government is doing, such as blowing up the twin towers. Funny that they're very suspicious about what government employees say, yet they give a free pass to paranoid nutcase conspiracy believers and will swallow whatever crapola the nutcases spew.
PoetryZound 1 year ago
@PoetryZound
You have it backwards. I believed the Official Conspiracy Theory about 19 nut-jobs getting by our military until I saw the first clip in this video. If you cannot see that this is a CD then you are willfully blind to it.
chrissarns 1 year ago
@PoetryZound Even with plane crash and the fire the steel can not help cause the jet fuel and normal fire cannot melt the steel cause it cant reach the melt point of the steel. And even if it did melt the whole building would fall and at same time. As yyou see on the tape the whole god dam building fell as one which can only be done by controlled demolition.
Kenoshino 10 months ago
If you can't SEE the evidence here you're fooling yourself. Too many people in this country having a hard time with this evidence. We were born into indoctrination of pride for country so it's hard to let go of. But once you actually DO the research you see that everything is upside down and that we are living in the United States of the Corporation. WAR= BIG Business
PeaceIsRad 1 year ago
@PeaceIsRad Sad but true, thanks.
AlNouveau 1 year ago
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electricshiver 1 year ago
yeah and neither of those buildings stated were hit by debris, partially destroying their support beams and leaving a giant pocket of air to feed the flames. nor do we know if those buildings had concrete surrounding the supports or outerwalls. not to mention if it was rigged by explosives they would of been involuntarily set of by the fires within minutes if not instantly!!
baezalejandro 1 year ago
@baezalejandro acceleration- look @ the darn instantaneous acceleration little child
swu880 1 year ago
9/11 was a total inside job. They brought those buildings down in a controlled demolition.
bIackjerryboymetaI 1 year ago
Top Obama Aide Wants Infiltration Of 9-11 Groups: Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor, co-wrote an academic article entitled "Conspiracy Theories: Causes and Cures," in which he argued that the government should stealthily infiltrate groups that pose alternative theories on historical events via "chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups and attempt to undermine" those groups.
tubeshok 2 years ago 2
NIST has some, they told me so when I filed a FoIA request 2 1/2 years ago. I have not refiled but others have. NIST has over 7,000 video clips they still will not release.
chrissarns 2 years ago
Did you FOIA the 7000 photos and 150 hours of video Dr. Sunder told NOVA that they have?
punxsutawneybarney 2 years ago
Does anybody have video where you can see collapse of wtc7 from damaged side?
archis84 2 years ago
"It can't be because" is a threadbare denial tactic.
NIST admits that their hypothesis does not result in the observed collapse.
"The results of this scenario were consistent with the observations *except* that the screenwall on the roof fell downward before the west penthouse."
NCSTAR 1-9 Vol.2 pg 612 [pdf pg 274]
"The simultaneous failure of screenwall and west penthouse structures"
NIST Appendix L pg 33 [pdf pg 37]
chrissarns 2 years ago
Right - and no one ever saw anything of the preparations in the weeks prior to 9/11. You do know how long the preparation of a CD takes?
You cannot just put a few sticks of dynamite somewhere in a building. Everything has to be calculated. AND there would have been detonating cords everywhere.
And if the "right" structural element is weakened and fails first it looks like a CD, cause the results are equal.
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alfaxxl 2 years ago
Yeah, I saw a new show called "the imploders" on tlc last night and they planning of a 5 or 6 story building (i dont know how many stories a shitload less than 110) anyway it took years to plan months to prepare and weeks to setup. And all the work needed before hand it is absolutely impossible that this work was not noticed.
thecandidate0607 2 years ago
@thecandidate0607
The real question is: how the fuck do u get in a building? simple- open the door, wear a suit & walk in. Do u know just how many ways there are to penetrate a building? i suggest you look up something called no-tech hacking by johnny long
Theres nothing impossible about it especially if u can get a couple insiders to help you out. yeah someone definitely needs to study security methods & penetration testing
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 You obviously have never seen a building that is wired to implode otherwise you wouldnt make such an ignorant statement. So much det chord around its hard to even walk through. Not to mention that not one single shred of explosive material such as det chord was found in the debris. Go make another tin foil had you idiot.
thecandidate0607 1 year ago
@thecandidate0607 Like i said: the real question is whether there is any way to set up explosives over the past weeks, months, or even years? is there ANY way?
we know that explosive energy is a MUST- its a requisite to bringing down the buildin in such a snooth instantaneous, even & controlled manner. u can't achieve freefall acceleration through itself & maintain it for 2.5seconds without the use of explosive energy blowing out the support
swu880 1 year ago
@thecandidate0607 so is it at all possible to gain access to the building & bring it down? quite a simple question- its obvious that the explosives had to be used since mere fires can not cause any instantaneous continuous even symmetrical collapse of any kind. u would be extremely lucky if you could even get fire to cause a single floor to instantly collapse
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 evenly&symmetrically
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 let alone happen three times consecutively
ninja7654 1 year ago
@alfaxxl
Google nano-thermite
chrissarns 1 year ago
"Some might ask, how in the world could the Secretary of Defense attack the Pentagon in front of its people? To them I reply, I have no desire to attack the Pentagon; I want to liberate it. We need to save it from itself."
rumsfeld speech given on 09/10/2001
a common characteristic of an egotistical sociopath is to brag about what they are doing while they lie about it.
you're either part of the investigation, or you are part of the cover up.
vengencefrom1979 2 years ago 4
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According to page 48 of NIST's final report, issued Nov. 20, 2008, "after a more detailed analysis" "a freefall descent over approximately eight stories at gravitational acceleration for approximately 2.25 seconds." NIST doesn't explain how the structural steel that supported those floors magically got out of the way so that they could fall as if nothing was below them, since the only possible explanation is controlled demolition. During freefall, all gravitational energy becomes motion.
uncledevo 2 years ago 2
If you look along the right side of the building as it starts to go down you can obviously see black smoke emit from demolition charges coming from every floor straight up the building in perfect succession. OBVIOUS AS HELL.
SpencerBenedict2nd 3 years ago
NIST has been forced to acknowledge that WTC 7 fell AT free fall for 105 feet. They cannot get their black box computer model to replicate this because a progressive collapse cannot result in free fall. WTC 7 was a CD!
htt . . . . . . watch?v=Vz43hcKYBm4
chrissarns 3 years ago
Same happened to Norht and south towers
pwpg0516 2 years ago
9/11 was an obvious demolition job. No steel structure building has ever fell straght down because of a fire or because of airplanes. What a bunch of lies we were told.
Joefreiheit 3 years ago 8
@Joefreiheit
What a Bunch of lies your were told... you were brain washed by a bunch of Tin-Foil hat wearing Mentally ill crazies... and therefore you should be tried for Treason in court... and your wrong... WTC 7 Collapsed to due to fire and the multiple gasoline tanks to power the backup generators... THAT'S what helped bring it down and you would think... would they build it so that if it were to come down it would take down other buildings? or would they build it so it fell straight down..
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Joefreiheit
the WTC Steel was not MELTED but WEAKENED by 50% by the Office Fires and Jet fuel for a certain amount of time... and with all that extra weight above where the aircraft hit... and the walls buckling, it was probably going to come down anyway... and those "Explosions" are from the compressed air from the top floors collapsing onto the others... where else is the air supposed to go? it blows out the windows thats what... ask the firefighters who witnessed it themselves
Iceman5164 1 year ago
@Joefreiheit
And How dare you go against the US Government... if you live in the US, then get out... you don't belong here, if you don't live here than stay out... also... it's disguisting how you think those innocent people were killed by the Government when they were really killed by Terrorists, you people disgust me... have fun living inside the fake world of yours
Iceman5164 1 year ago
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@Iceman5164 How dare you go against the US Government... if you live in the US, then get out... you don't belong here
Eat shit and die.
bushmustgo 1 year ago
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@Iceman5164 How dare you go against the US Government... if you live in the US, then get out... you don't belong here
Eat shit and die.
bushmustgo 1 year ago
The fact still remains that it takes weeks for a building of this size to be set up for demolition with explosives.
How could it have been demolished with explosives? It looks to me like it was.
JamboyStu 3 years ago
The other buildings that were on fire (I was @ the fire in Los Angeles) were just that, fires They didn't have jet planes ramming into them,fully loaded with jet propulsion fuel. Think of it, I can drive from Baltimore airport where the hi-jackers took off from) to the twin towers. It's not that far away. Those planes were going @ a very high rate of speed and were loaded with JP fuel. That's not the case with any of the other buildings.
hebrewschoolgrad 3 years ago
they're talking about buidling 7, not the towers.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
Even if the building had a major fire or major damage it still would not explain why it fell straight down on its own footprint. This was an obvious demolition job.
Joefreiheit 3 years ago
your right i'm sure your a demolition expert
SkersFan33 3 years ago
WTC 7 was only 300 ft. away form the towers? That's not very far away. I thought it was farther away like 300 yards. If it was 300 ft. away it could have been incredibly damaged. Just wondering if this is so.
lexrex3 3 years ago
Truthers fail to find any physical evidence. Where are the blasting caps? The detonation cord? The shock tubes, etc? And if it was thermite, where's the evidence of that. The narration in these videos doesn't mention the video is shot from the NORTH side, but the fires were started from the SOUTH side, meaning the entire building was burning througout, from one side all the way to the other. Look up some firefighters quotes about WTC 7 fires and you'll find the truth. No demolition!
punctualbird 3 years ago
There were fires on floors 8,11,12 and 13 at different times in the area of the initiating event. These fires burned for 20 to 30 minutes in any location. According to the NIST L report, the fire on floor 12 had burned out by about 4:45 p.m.
The NIST final Draft fire simulation has fire burning around column 79 at 5:20 p.m.
This is only one of the many problems with the Final Fantasy.
chrissarns 3 years ago
The fires that you could see, were on the North face, but the source of the fires, air plane crashes was by the South face. This means the entire floor, from South to North was burning - the entire length of the building! If you researched all the interviews with firefighters, not just one obscure one that Alex Jones and Dylan Avery dig up, you'll understand the building was indeed severely damaged, burning severely. Rather than use the term, "Final Fantasy" - do a measured inquiry.
punctualbird 3 years ago
You truthers always discredit the NIST, FEMA, CIA, FBI, and any other US government organization as being "in on it" because their reports have errors of ommission, but then you take information from those same reports to desperately reach for this inside job conclusion. No truther has ever been able to develop a list of guilty parties. Saying "911 was an inside job" is a statement of certainty, but why have you truthers never published a list of guilty parties? Who is guilty?
punctualbird 3 years ago
Let us FIRST DEAL WITH THE TECHNICAL TRUTHS, then if neccessary let us cope with the inevitable political conspiracies and other questions.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
all debris was disposed of quickly without proper analysis. Also, no matter how severe the damage was to the south side of the building by debris or fire that doesn't explain why it 'collapsed' into the path of most resistance.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
WTC 7 was 47 storeys tall, making the ratio of height to width more extreme. With such a design, a stress factor called, Euler stress is more intense than with shorter more boxy structures. The unusual design of WTC 7, combined with damage, fire, and Euler Stress are the known causal factors in its collapse. I wouldn't say collapsing in accordance with the direction of the the pull of gravity is the path of most resistance because the failing strucure was unable to resist the above factors.
punctualbird 3 years ago
First of all, WTC 7 was built on a grid design like vitualally all other skyscrapers (hundreds more its height), making nothing 'unusual' about its design. But enough about that tangent. You still fail to answer the question of why there are SQUIDS visible during the implsion. And though you've talked around the problem by bringing up a facter that has nothing to do with your point, Euler Stress, you still haven't answered the question of why it 'collaped' into the path of most resistance.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
It was not built like all other skyscrapers. It had a unique design, and was designed according to the substructures it was straddling. I haven't failed to answer why there "SQUIDS" because I was never asked. I do know that there weren't any SQUIBS, that concept is a result of improper video analysis of people that don't know anything. Euler stress has everything to do with my point, it is a factor in the collapse that does not support controlled demolition or the inside job fantasy.
punctualbird 3 years ago
Euler stress might have something to do with your point but your point has nothing to do with reality.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
Also, it didn't collapse into the path of most resistance, because, if you actually could read, you would see that I wrote the failing structure was unable to resist the above factors. If you could read between the lines, you'd understand, the building gave way through a combination of factors: damage, fire, design flaws, Euler stress, to name the obvious known factors. I admit not everything is known about the collapse, but controlled demoltion is unrealistic. How did the bombs get there?
punctualbird 3 years ago
Euler stress deals with calculating stress concentrations in individual beams, it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. It doesn't help your argument for why a building would "collapse" and cruble directly down instead of in any other direction. Unless all virticle columns failed at exactly the same time the building would fall in the direction of whichever virticle column failed first and the intact virticle column(s) would divert the path from being straight.
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
Euler stress does explain why it came straight down, because of the height of the building, enormous force was directed downwards. And if you examine the full length video, you'll see that this collapse occurs in stages. The centrally located penthouse falls in first, which then pulls the interal supports inward (not seen in the video, but we can infer this). The whole system gets pulled into the middle causing what appears to be a single instantaneous event. But it falls in stages.
punctualbird 3 years ago
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Stages? That's why you see the full shape of the building coming down all at once. Again, this all happens because of a few failed lateral columns at the base...
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
punctual, ever seen how they bring down a building when they don't have money to emplode it ? they use a crane with a wrecking ball..and this process takes months b-cuz buildings are built to stick together by concrete , metal and steal..they can only come apart in chunks, bits and pieces.
they bash that shit all weak and it doesnt collapse in a free fall matter into a nice lil pile.but a plane hitting a large building is going to bring it down ? into a nice lil pile ? free falling ?
xxstorm912xx 3 years ago 8
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No physical evidence was recovered or witnessed by the clean up crews that have experience in this area. No blasting caps, shock tubes, detonation chord, etc. Then there's the question of motive - why would the government need to blow up a building? It just doesn't make any sense. Who would do it? Why? And also, how? When? It's just too big an operation to demolish a building covertly in downtown Manhattan.
punctualbird 3 years ago
Haven't you ever looked into this? 7,000,000,000 profit on a 15,000,000 investment. Now that's just the insurance. Now add on the revitalization of lower manhatan once the site is rebuilt. The new building 7, opened 2006, is much more efficient and that's just the first building rebuilt. The overall profit for Larry Silverstein and building contractors is incalculable. Now that's just the tip of the iceberg; what about the politics...
sillybilly44444444 3 years ago
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Yes, stages, the Penthouse collapsed six seconds before the rest of the structure. This means there were stages to the collapse, there was an internal collapse, that pulled in lateral columns in such a way that the remaining columns were unable to support the massive Euler stress and then it just snapped...in stages.
punctualbird 3 years ago
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Of course WTC 7 was insured. All major buildings in Manhattan and every other center big and small have an insurance dollar value attached. That's not surprising. Why would someone that is already fabulously wealthy, powerful, and privelidged, risk everything for this mass murder plot? If you had evidence of blasting caps, shock tubes, detonation chord, you would have my attention, but you've got vague suspicions that don't amount to substantial proof of guilt.
punctualbird 3 years ago
punctual, all the columns had to be precisely cut at such angles for any building short or tall to collapse in a free fall fashion .Thats while no building has ever collapsed that way...unless its been demolitioned...now for the floors pancaked theory ? if that was the case then all a demolition crew needs to do from now on is take out several of the top floors but they don't b-cuz A. the build. wont fall into its own foot print and B. half of the building will remain standing.
xxstorm912xx 3 years ago 8
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I never said it was a freefall collapse because it wasn't. There was an internal collapse (indicated by the penthouse collapsing 6 seconds before catastrophic failure). Yes, I agree steel and concrete is incredibly tough, but I have to consider logic - a large scale demolition opperation could not be carried out and leave no physical evidence on the ground. No building employee ever reported the truck loads of equipment needed to pull this theory off.
punctualbird 3 years ago
well actually people that worked their DID see workers with a lot af `wire reels` amongst other things when the towers were shut down for `maintanence` about a month before 911. and you say theres no evidence!? how about pools of lava from thermate? how about supporting beams cut at perfect angles? theres plenty more but who do u think cleaned it all up? the FBI and THEIR contactors. 2 hours and two skyscrapers perfectly in there own foot print. CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
bjm351 3 years ago 6
USA is now so Weak NEO CONS could litteraly Come on CNN or MSNBC and say yes we set up 9/11 and killed everybody and stole all that Gold under the Buildings...Nobody will do anything in any State: WHY?- Good Food and Comfortable living in USA....Even McDonalds YOu all will not Fight too much good life to lose!NOw in Iraq Life is Shit nothing to lose!
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
"If I see a CD, I know it's one"
If I see a building collapse and misinterpret it as a CD, then I know it's one.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
"Any time someone says something is obvious I know it's not so obvious"
If u see an orange, u know it's an orange, right? Orange color, certain skin, certain shape/form.
If I see a CD, I know it's one. How? All supportstructure failing at the same time, symmetrical collapse without much or any resistance, into it's own footprint.
Pretty obvious I would say.
I don't know why I would EVEN TRY to see if a combo of fire & local damage, coupled with the design, could give the same result.
Sandberg1972 3 years ago
"It is obvious 9/11 was an inside job blamed on Muslims."
Any time someone says something is obvious I know it's not so obvious and that they're just trying to push their unsubstantiated opinion.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
It is obvious 9/11 was an inside job blamed on Muslims. The oil companies are getting rich and they are still charging double for gasoline. What a scam!
Joefreiheit 3 years ago
He is right somebody needs to Hijack a Akula Clas Submarine and shove NUke missles up Cheney and Bush's ass ten missles in Jackson Hole Wyoming and Ten in CRawford Texas around Jan 2009...
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
Sooooooo what's going to be done about this? Who can get to the bottom? USA, it's up to you. Fix it please?
grrrdo 3 years ago
Who ever did this had to have some real training or done this before and since only a handful of companies IN USA capable this is only strange part..Not even US Military can do this no way --this is exclusive to Demolition Engineers of the highest ranks..so how is my question.....ONly CDI could drop WTC 7 so perfect but they are clean as whistle. NO question ever on that...
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
Dude your bang on the money...Remember the anthrax letters? One was sent to two senators and some civilians, one of the civilians contacted the FBI and informed them that it was high grade anthrax, therefore it could only of come from the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick,the FBI said they would look into it, but later that week the institute was demolished...guess who got the contract ? CDI , they also receive around 80% of their contracts (pt2)
ousamadidndoit 3 years ago
(pt2)from the government, CDI was also instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the WTC steel. CEO Mark Loizeaux's CDI was also hired to bury the rubble of the Murrah Building in the wake of the Oklahoma City Bombing. Tully Construction was one of four companies awarded contracts by New York City's Department of Design and Construction to dispose of the rubble at Ground Zero, and CDI was subcontracted by Tully and was instrumental in devising a plan to recycle the steel.(pt3)
ousamadidndoit 3 years ago
(pt3)...now correct me if im wrong but ....wasnt ground zero a crime scene?....therefore every part of the collapsed buildings should have been held as evidence and analysed...Giuliani (being a former prosecution lawyer) would know that..yet he allowed CDI and Co to dispose of the evidence asap..the steel went to China..to make knives and forks etc etc.
Word of warning about poetryhound..he or she is a government paid shill, myself and many others have consistently proved him/her to be a liar
ousamadidndoit 3 years ago 3
Cdi told to keep quiet by FBI and others in Homeland Security. They are the very best..Only other experts without question you have all seen thier work in Las Vegas and in Movies like Enemy of The State.
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
"Cdi told to keep quiet by FBI and others in Homeland Security."
No, there's no evidence of that. You just made it up.
PoetryHound 3 years ago
CDI whixh is 30 minutes from me right now told to keep mouths shut about 9/11 --CDI Cockeysville,Maryland best of the best...They are Honest and The best but I bet they can give better than expert Opnion..The are the Experts...
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
"CDI whixh is 30 minutes from me right now told to keep mouths shut about 9/11"
CDI was told to keep their mouths shut? According to who?
PoetryHound 3 years ago
Same Bastards that have now destroyed USA economy--Same Creeps on Wall Street who F##$ed this country again for last 6 years...We are doomed! 09/25/2008
deltaalpha21074 3 years ago
Im just waiting until these mothefuckers get in jail, or executed
AtoK47 3 years ago
This was the only part of Loose Change I ever BOUGHT 100% and has never been explained away even remotely. Does this prove our government did it all? No. But the truth is the TRUTH, if it fits our world perception or not. Hence the title ,9/11 TRUTH, I suppose.
g4macdad 3 years ago