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  • Testpig, do you think WAR is worth coming back to as of Fall 2010? I haven't played the game since December 2008 when they were just adding in KOTBS and such, I quit because there was no end game content and little class balance in RvR.

    I know the game's population has dwindled greatly since two years ago, but is the game worth coming back to now? Has anything improved since you made this video?

  • @metalfaust19 Heya, Mythic is currently trying to do an open RvR revamp, but in classic mythic fashion have made all the wrong turns. 1.4 was the supposed to be the turning point for most players currently holding on for something big. 1.4 was indeed supposed to be the patch that actually revives the game to a point that gave us the players hope. But it has indeed gone very very wrong. I was thinking about making another video on 1.4's failures, but honestly, 1.4 speaks for itself.

  • @testpig Dang. Was hoping to come back to a better game, but two years after I quit it looks like this game is still trying to fix the same problems it had back then. Funny how fast time flies, I remember being so damn excited for this game in 2007 and 2008, then it finally released in Fall 08 and I got to Tier 4 by December and realized it was broken in the end game in both PvP and PvE.

    I do miss my Witch Hunter, Swordmaster and Archmage, though. Oh, well. R.I.P. Warhammer Online.

  • Rez part did not make sense. All those WoW pics ....Didn't like your zone locks idea either. Like the idea of every 25% on the door though

  • Now in DaoC as far as i played, i never saw any RvR messages and never saw a button that gets me into the RvR action... Can you actually participate in RvR in DaoC without reaching max level through PvE? And would you be useful if you did? I mean does it even have RvR tiers?

    If it's missing all these, and it's just a PvE grind to max in order to PvP, how is that more RvR oriented than WAR?

  • @kozas0 you also didn't see that button until recently in Warhammer. yes, in DAOC each tier of leveling had a battle grounds. level 1-5, 6-11, etc etc etc. Your level would scale, and you would also gain XP/RP inside the zone. It would also have keeps/towers which the players can capture, defend, and destory. The RvR in daoc also had true reasons that actually effected thepower of your realm. realm incentive, realm pride.

  • I don't see why you declare WAR less of a PvP game than DaoC... I had played both. On WAR as soon as you start a new character you 'll come across messages that say what's going on on the RvR lakes and whatever other RvR events happen like area locks... Then you can also join the fight by a simple click of a button if there is a call for war... If all these weren't enough, you can level up 100% at RvR in WAR and completely ignore PvE cause there is really no need to do any of it, even gear-wise.

  • @kozas0 Agreed totally

  • All sugestions in here are potentaially Kudos, ftw, godlike and would be great. still it doesnt make them being anywhere near coming to life. if mythic had a half of resources, crew and skills of Blizzard this game would own the battlefield that have never been even approached by WoW.

  • I think what you don't quite realise is that say they had resurrection in the middle of battle it would make the game way too easy. People don't get OVER angry when they wipe - its ment to be a challenge. WoW isnt even hard - its just teamwork and you obviously have not experienced any of this and I would guess you were a Pugger. By implenting such things as this you completely kill the concept of the game.

  • @Nauwsee The epic encounters used to allow resurrection =). So the original concept of the game is not the same concept as it is today? you know not what you speak.

  • "War is a sub-par WoW"

    YursanProductions was right you do fail…

    It’s a PvP (RvR is just more players VS more players, same shit different color) game not PvE, if you want to fight NCPs while helping friends play EverQuest, if you want a storyline read a book...

    If you want to smash some Stunties play WAR...

    If you want to pretend you’re not sub-par then keep up the work

  • @OurOnlyPlanB , you are lying to yourself thinking War is not a PvE game. It's a hybrid of both PvE and RvR. Mythic has stated this many times during the development of the title. You can go the entire game and get nearly all the best gear in the game without facing an enemy player =). If this was a 100% pure PvP game, that wouldn't be the case.

    War is a sub-par DAOC: it's RvR content is weak.

    War is a sub-par WoW: it's PvE content is weak

  • Your an idiot for bitching about PVE content for a PVP-based game

    What makes me think its PVP-based? Mythic made DAOC which was pvp-based and mythic says that WAR is pvp-based as well.

    You sir, fail

  • @YursanProductions

    War is not a PvP based game. It's a PvE & RvR game. accept it =) While yes mythic made DAOC which was heavily focused on RvR content. War is not the next evolutionary step DAOC RvR style gaming content. War is a sub-par DAOC, and a sub-par WoW

  • @testpig Ok WAR would focus on PvE but if you have the choice RvR or PvE which you gonna choose. RvR, and sine 99% of WARs players are in RvR WAR does not focuz on PvE unless nessecary.

  • This game has so much hype befor it came out and when i played it after spending $120 on the collectors edition i was shocked as hell this game fell under the bar of the mmorpg scale like you said flaming bag of shit i kept playing thing it was going to get better but no it did not i was not to happy about that at all shocked at the fact that a newer mmo did not even meet the game standers ima i gave not seen one WH game worth playing all...

  • It's sad because it's true. Warhammer hasn't got much time left to breath. I'm gonna continue playing this game untill W40K comes out. Then it'll be all different.

    As for RvR, it's not really dead yet, but higher tiers suffer from dead air. In Volkmar for example, tiers one and two are doing well in terms of PvP as far as I know. The destruction legion is still out numbering the other guys.

    As for the PvE, I'm actually quite happy that they managed to make great dungeons and monsters.

  • Is it worth subbing at the moment then?

  • @Zummarah: No, not at this time. Currently the US servers are really just beta testing the game. they are redesigning the end game city content. Which honestly wasn't even that bad. The main problems are still everything before you even reach the city. Currently the only thing to do now in the game is SC's. Open RvR is dead.

  • @testpig Thanks, I really loved the feel of the game, it REALLY was Warhammer, dark gritty and fantastic. Then they cocked it all up past half of tier 3.

  • @testpig

    quit talking out ur ass

  • Too many WAR fanboy's in this thread.

    Thread not approved.

  • T4 is best.WTF you talking man

  • I approve this message. :D

  • Sounds like you need to get back on WoW..

  • wow is a fucking pve game

  • WAAAGH!

  • Your points on t4 RvR are spot on. I feel forced to desub because of the disappointment t4 offers and without an exp off I can't enjoy the mid tiers like I want without having to reroll every week or so because of the ease of lvling on just casual scenarios and orvr which is also I think the main reason why mid tiers are barren a lot of the time(no exp off). Mythic really doesnt have the manpower/resources/funding to fix it. Oh well... back to twinking in T1 for me.

  • Ive grown pretty tired of wow but i still wanna play an mmorpg. Ive thinked about warhammer online but after seeing this video it seems like a pretty bad game. :(

  • try AoC...

  • Has anything really changed then?this game felt so much better than WoW,the pvp was there from the begging. loosing people means loosing the game entirely. there were and are issues im sure,but people are shit for going back to the annoying, but what they know type game.

    keep atk/def was always boring to me, but i figure a lord might even things out. and how would u do it without one. if people arent there it falls fast anyway, even with lord.

    t4 was more boring and premaids ruined solo gaming.

  • the game is a bit more stable, and the graphics are a tad more shiny. but overall nothing much has changed.

  • Meh. How would the victory points over time go, break it down for me (: like 2 VP's every hour? or what? Personally i loooove to fight for victory, not get it over time and waiting. Agreed with the end game content, i would love a little more. but Oh well im mostly in it for the pvp, What i would like to see is PvP IN a dungeon WHILE fighting the boss/lord. Lets see how leet people really are.

  • view my victory points podcast.

  • Motha F-ing Bulor hows it going homie? War sucks donkey balls and good video detailing the FAIL bro 5 stars. Best wishes dude.

  • liked your vid, i would like to see those ideas in game!

  • @Cesario82

    The new changes are great, i also played for a while after launch and just came back recently and a loving everything. try it out again, it only costs 15 dollars to resub

  • From 0:00 to 4:50 i disagree. From 4:50 to 8:31 i completely agree. I don't understand though why you don't like BoP ...? it prevents someone from getting gold from a gold seller, and just buying all of their gear. I don't like endlessly farming, but if we have to do it, we need BoP. no?

  • Dude, the end-game campain on RvR-side (king instance and warlord) is PvE.

    Do you see any "epic fights" on EU side on a daily base? No because the only time people come out is when their king lockout timer is out.

    And when Mythic DOES try to make RvR-based dungeons (purges in LotD for example), they fail so miserably that one r36 of the opposing team manages to kill off the entire 6-man elite group.

  • Fail ... Warhammer online FTW!

  • test pig = fail..No1 this is not a pve game

    No2 forts where removed because it was impossible to get high end gear and most players are actualy happy with this ..No3 Mythic have stated that the POP IS GROWING OVER THE LAST 3 MONTHS NOT SHRINKING. No 4 There are Many Many small scirmishes and tactical battles happening in tier 4 as tier 4 is enormous in comparison to tier 3..The zerg normaly only apears in 1-2 zones other zones = small scrimishes.

  • 1. Umm...He argued for both PvP and PvE.

    2.PvE in war is horrible btw if albeit necessary at times, because of the zerg. and improvement would be nice.

    3. He suggested forts be like keeps, with second ram, instead of one didnt u hear?

    4. On Volkmar destro rules the day, order rules the night.... and if u get in the way u get trampled by zerg dependin on timezone.

    5. Small skirmishes in T4 please. Just dont just dont.

    T3 skirmishes > T4. Anyone wil tell u that even if they don't play WAR.

  • 1. War is a PvE game. Every aspect of this game is embedded at it's core with PvE. Do you see any RvR PQs? no. do you see Keeps without NPCs that are 100% defended by players? no. You do RvR in order to reach more PvE. It is a PvE game.

    3. So throwing gear at everyone is a solution in fixing the game? no it's not, it just tries to bypass the problem, but the problem still remains.

    4.false. you know nothing.

  • Ok, so its a PvE game with the best PVP/RVR in any MMO? That still works for me.

  • @testpig

    WAR is a RvR baste game, not PvE

    sure it has PvE but it all revolves around RvR and if you please, you wouldnt even have to do PvE if you chose. This may be a problem for some people but WAR is the perfect game for PvPers in mmorpgs and this review seems to be from someone who belives that this game is baste off of PvE

    Dont get me wrong, this was a nicely put together video and i appreciate you making a feedback video, but all i am saying is that i disagree with you on most subjects

  • Who made you think it's a PvE game, because that person fails big time.

  • who made you think it's a PvP game?

  • About 7.546 podcasts before release and several reviews.

    Well and further more ACCIDENTIALLY the core-Feature of the game is RvR...

  • @testpig Haha its based on RvR = Realm versus Realm = PvP!

  • @Slst09 RvR does not mean PvP.. mythic defines RvR as anything your realm does to counter to other realm.. which even means doing PQs/Quest to raise the VP bar.

  • Awesome video buddy.

    ~Jas =]

  • great video, jut one thing, the way you would want to handle the realm points to cap a zone are not very well thought of. Just capturing the BO's and Keep should not be enough, that is favouring the zerg, making it even harder for the underdog to stop the zerg. SC premades by the underdog are a viable option to stop the zerging faction. the way sc's play a role is good imo

  • view my other podcast on zone domination =) there is more to it, but it's a very thought out concept i didn't want to spend much time on it again.

  • @testpig yeah, just saw it, looks good, unfortunatly also looks hard to implement at this stage of the games development :(

    still gonna play WAR though as it still provides pretty solid pvp :) but in hope some of your ideas, like the zone domination, will one day be in-game. domination

  • Testpig, you hit the nail on the head son, and knew what was up since the beta forums.

  • nice video.

  • Awesome video, covered many points in this game that are lacking. Should have had a section on balance also but even if they ignored balance for now and did all of that I would be content to play for another 1-2 years. :) Mythic should employ you, maybe something would get done then!

  • Good job and great feedback. i agree on everything you've said.

  • Nice video. The real issue at the end of the day is that fixing any one of these - or the myriad other issues - isn't enough at this point. They need to fix almost ALL of them before I'd consider coming back. Performance is better, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.

  • nice video Lucarius here...

  • With how much planning goes into WAR, y dont they have something like the opening cinematic where there are giant trolls that can be summoned and giant rolling sieges and catapults and things of that nature? creativity guys....creativity. thank you for posting this

  • haha, i dont think war will die until Warhammer 40k online comes out.

  • I can't wait for that day.

    Yet it's not being made by an MMO developer a.k.a 100x more shallow then WAR.

    we'll see.

  • Good compilation, well presented and good points are raised. just wish they had more money to pump some changes into the game. Still, il keep hoping til the last day.

  • .....hope my war'igans.....hope...

  • I keep War in the freezer, it will just go bad in a few days if you keep it in the fridge.

  • lol laughed so hard at this

  • WAR has not garnered the desired popularity but there is one thing I hear from most people who play it. It still has the best pvp (RvR) around. It is some of the mechanics as you have pointed out that are a let down.

    I will stick with WAR because I like the RvR, although not some of its systems. As well I also enjoy the pve. There may not be much of it but the pve that is there is usualyl pretty enjoyable when you see the effort put into it.

  • Very good ideas, disappointed at your lack in confidence for WAR though :-( I really love this game.

  • WTF????

  • Lol, what's war doing in your fridge?

    Good video, sadly i agree it's too late

  • Some great ideas, and another well put together vid!

    I actually like the zone flip mechanics as they are now... it really feels like they hit the nail on the head, especially with the underdog system active.

    PVE content is really lack though, as you point out, and could really use a bump.

    I would also add that there is no real connection to your toons.... what does it mean to be a White Lion? or a Witch Hunter? Etc. With 25 years of IP, and now Bioware onboard, this could be improved.

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