A state can avoid being controlled by big money. Take Vermont as an example; their governors have voted no to megaprojects, huge buildings, federal prisons, large dumps, etc.
@SpidermanInLondon -- Because it's pure democratic socialism, and that scares the living Hell out of the powers that be . . . particularly on my side of the Atlantic.
His arguement became flawed half way through! What he and many Tory wannabe Labour men don't realise is we are just a number and the Earth can not and should not have to sustain 7 billion of us! He is too concerned with saving other cultures but his own too busy trying to get his moral sensitbilty across! I listen to him the same way I listen to Cameron tell us we can't afford this this and this but we can afford Foriegn Aid! No no no shut up you sill old man!
Nah, rather you should shut your claptrap, you silly nit, Benn HAS BEEN helping his own all his life, he spent his life helping the working poor while he could have otherwise been like any of those morally bankrupt bankers helping their own selves at the expense of everyone. When that man dies, he will fly right heaven and straight onto the upper level of heaven, where God will have extra treats for all the better-lived human lives. You, well, you'll be going nowhere
@N1755L I'd like to get a look at his Expenses and see just as bad as they when compared to his Arch-Nemeis' Thatchers I bet they are equally as appaling! Heaven maybe where he is going but I have reservations about the mans Righteousness especially a man who has helped grrom New Labour! Claptrap to you but your a chocolate teapot!
Keep at em Tony- ANOTHER Great speech at London OCCUPY-INSPIRATIONAL.The world needs more like you (especially in govts where they are extremely thin on the ground)
TONY BEEN AND NON VIOLENCE DONT BELONG IN THE SAME SENTENCE . THIS WAS THE SAME GUY WHO BACKED THE MILITANT MINERS AND ARTHUR SCARGILL. THIIS IS SIMPLY BULLSHIT SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA.
LONG LIVE THATCHERISM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish we had politicians in the U.S. like him. Perhaps we do but their words are drowned out by those bought off by the corporations. I love his comment in another interview with Michael Moore where he says that government does not want a healthy, well educated contituency. He adds with a chuckle that it would be too hard to control. With the U.S. being 39th in the performance of our health care system and seriously lagging in education, the U.S. Government has nothing to worry about.
America has been given away over a thirty year period. The Marquette Decision in 1978 by the passing of that law gave all the power to the "Banking System" in South Dakota and Deleware in the only two states that have little to no Usery Laws on credit.
1:32 - "He publically supported Sinn Fein, and the reunification of Ireland" - and that was a good thing? Like most Americans, Moores knowledge of the troubles probably stem from watching "The Devil's Own" with Brad Pitt on DVD. Or some other shite film
@Threepwoodist - Imperialism? Sorry, but that's just a trite, oversimplification of an extremely complex conflict, that had many political and military dimensions, which spanned literally hundreds of years.
@MrSyrett You think it's trite, but that's what it is, colonial settlement of another country, all the complications thereafter, during a rising age of imperialism, you clearly don't understand much about Irish or British history.
The Normans, when they conquered Ireland, were to set in motion, how Britain treated Ireland in the later years, it's all very simple if you look for the answer.
If you support Britain controlling the north of Ireland; the little state politically called 'Northern Ireland'; then you support British imperialism. You can bang on about complications, half-truths, difficulties in the conflict etc, of which there are many and I agree with you, but that's how all of this started, Britain trying to colonise Ireland, so the better they could rule them, and here we are hundreds of years later, with Britain still clinging on to a country they want to own.
"If you support Britain controlling the north of Ireland...you support British imperialism". I don't know any right minded British person in the 21st centuray that is "in favour" of imperialism. Yes, the root of the problem (going back many many years) was Empire Building. But guess what, the world changes. No, I dont agree with what happened in the 17th centuay regarding the plantation of ulster. How does that help us is the 21st century? Do you think any UK prime minister wanted to......
"And I'm calling you an Imperialist, because you questioned the benefits of unifying Ireland...blah blah" - Im not surprised you deleted this comment. Where did I question the benefits of a unified Ireland? Oh, that's right, I didn't. I was questioning the means - not the end. Power-sharing was the only way NI was ever going to be resolved - and (for all his faults) Blair was one of the most instrumental in making this happen. Some Imperialist - open the doors of number 10 to Gerry Adams
@MrSyrett I only deleted it, so I could say direct it to you personally and not leave it on youtube, I copied and pasted. "He publically supported Sinn Fein, and the reunification of Ireland" - and that was a good thing?" there you go, that's where you questioned it. You said 'and the unification of Ireland', your English has let you down.
@Threepwoodist - Nice misinterpretation - My original comment was "this was a good thing?" when Moore said he was a supporter of Sinn Fein. My point being picking sides in a conflict this complex, and historically entrenched into the culture was futile. It was the supporting Sinn Fein part that my "this was a good thing" comment was directed at.
@MrSyrett I'm not confusing it, none of my statements have been against the British people, they have always been against the imperialist nature of our government, you same to make up implications, and go with it.
"So you agree, that this all started with British Imperialism" - except "how it started" wasn't the point of contention was it. It was your implication (and non sequitar) that anyone that didn't support the actions of sinn fein was by definition in favour of imperialism. Likewise, your bringing up of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan (I asume that is what you are refering to), is equally irrelevant. Over a million people marched on London against that. So don't confuse the actions of the.....
@MrSyrett No, you took it, as my implication, I didn't say anything about Sinn Fein. So what if millions marched against it; we killed over 1 million innocent Iraqis on a pack of lies. Are you ignoring all those poor souls' deaths? I think you are ...
@Threepwoodist "Are you ignoring all those poor souls' deaths? I think you are ..." Your strawmen arguments are just laughable. How is anything I have said remotely excusing that war or in favour of imperialism? Arguing with you is like a slow death
@MrSyrett And in case you haven't noticed, we are still walking about trying to rule other people's countries, that's called Imperialism, if you say that it doesn't exist anymore ("guess what the world changes") then you are either an ignorant fool, or you are an apologist for it.
....inherit a problem like NI? Do you think that bombing women and children (too young to have any political allegiances), would somehow make the UK government sympathetic to the demands of republicans? Do you think loyalists living 4 hundred years after the original plantation dont call NI home? Do you think the killing and violence would have stopped if the UK had capitulated? Calling me an Imperialist because I disagree with Sinn Fein is as disingenuous as me calling you an advocate of murder
@MrSyrett You are focusing on all the wrong things here, that's why it's a complicated issue to you; I could easily churn up all the atrocities that British soldiers committed over a 800 years on innocent victims as you have down conversely, that's not the point. Yes the attacks on Britain would have stopped, if the British withdrew their occupation from a foreign country, a country that isn't their own.
@MrSyrett And I'm calling you an Imperialist, because you questioned the benefits of unifying Ireland. If you are not for it, you are in support of the British who currently agitate it, you can't have it both ways.
@MyFantazmagazzle Tony Benn like many great Britons makes the mistake of falling into traps. They try to distance themselves from Communism and slander Communism because they crave acceptance from their Political enemies(Right wing Capitalists).
Tony Benn is a great man but his understanding of Socialism - Communism too, for that matter - is outright wrong.
British Socialism is a JOKE. Because British 'Socialists' distance themselves from true Socialism and embrace Establishment doctrine.
@MyFantazmagazzle In fact I'd go one further and say that if you took text book Socialism, presented it as Communism to a British 'Socialist', they'd ridicule every idea you presented.
Most Socialists in Britain are only Socialist in name, they have no understanding of political systems of ideologies.
The "State" known in democratic countries as "the people" choose by democratic means to make laws and by default law enforcement. Trying to ensure that they "the people" are individually free as possible try to balance those freedoms with the need to ensure civilised norms for ALL citizens. For those who cannot or will not except those "civilised norms" and refuse to except their responsibilities to society they are free to leave they are not forced to stay. They are not forced to do anything.
@qwertypoiu4321 What is the fire brigade, the library or the public schools in America if not socialist? They're still voluntary. You're not obliged to borrow a book or have your fires put out or keep your children in public schools. And if you have a system like the NHS you're still free to die if you really want to. That's what separates sosialism from communism and it it a massive difference between the two.
@qwertypoiu4321 So you don't believe everyone should be able to use these utilities and you don't know that fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive. You simply don't know what English words mean and shouldn't expect people with IQ's the north of 70 to listen to you.
I'll give you a simple one to remember. Government ruled by corporation=fascism. Corporation ruled by government=communism. Socialism is neither. Now go to the library you despise so much and ask for a dictionary.
@xXpimpleXx "don't believe everyone should be able to use these utilities"
They should, as long as 'these utilities' are part of the voluntary sector.
"don't know that fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive."
Lol, no they are not. Hitler: "I am a Socialist."
If you Statists are going to be Statists, you should at least be open about it, so opponents of The State can see the enemy. Everything should be voluntary, the exact OPPOSITE of Statism/Fascism/Socialism/Slavery.
@qwertypoiu4321 What's with the repeating yourself in every comment?
Just because someone calls themselves a socialist it doesn't mean they are one or knows the meaning of the word. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco persecuted communists and socialists, and Hitler only said he was one to win an election and because the word fascism didn't exist then. National socialism is not socialism. Fascism is BY DEFINITION anti-socialistic.
What is the "voluntary sector" anyway? Never heard that before.
exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Fascism is by definition a form of socialism.
"What is the "voluntary sector" anyway?"
The voluntary sector is the non-State, non-coercive sector.
@qwertypoiu4321 If you Statists are going to be Statists, you should at least be open about it, so opponents of The State can see the enemy. Let me ask you a simple question, do you agree with Max Weber's definition that The State is a coercive monopoly initiated over a geographical area?
Why is "the State" an enemy of anyone living in a democratic society? You elect the people there, why wouldn't they be working FOR you? I know it sounds naive, but better than trusting a market which clearly can't regulate itself. Max Weber died in 1920 so he never saw any of these regimes OR what predatory capitalism inevitably leads to in modern society. By "The State", do you mean a government or a nation?
Again you make up words of your own and don't know what the rest of them mean.
@nilbud Anyone that believes in the fantasy labor theory of value is a moron, anyone that extends a whole economic philosophy off of a fallacy is a complete moron.
Not an insult - but most people are, even socialists. Your motive should be improvement, not destruction.
Let's get rid of all states, all governments, all political theory.
We will find ourselves self-organizing into communities, and doing EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN.
There will be community leaders, institutions, services, and they will be run by people, and people will screw up badly, and we'll be fixing it, and end up back here on YouTube.
We are on the brink of a great change. We must recognize our individual responsibly and power and create a world of unconditional love of one and other.
We must stop being consumers cause we are controlled by it.
@1rem72 there's a lot of hypocrisy in your comment. why are you not extending the non-judgmental love taught by christ to everyone? instead of blaming people's misfortunes on selfishness and sin, why not show generosity and kindness to them, and leave that kind of judgment aside?
WHY? OH WHY, DO PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JESUS OR THE NAME OF JESUS??? IT IS HE WHO GIVES MERCY TO YOU TO TAKE YOUR NEXT PATHETIC WASTE OF A BREATH. T BENN WASNT EVEN PREACHING ABOUT JESUS AND SIN. HE SIMPLY STATED THAT EVEN IN THE BIBLE JESUS TAUGHT US TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND STOP BEING SO EFFING SELFISH!!! KINGS FELL AFTER PROPHETS WARNED THEM. IF EVEN A KING FALLS, HOW MUCH MORE YOU! THATS WHY PEOPLE CANT GET BLESSED ADN LOOSE JOBS, CARS, HOMES, THEN THEIR MINDS. SELFISHNESS/SIN.
@721rem Look bud, you lie about pretending to believe in some bullshit magic sky monster nonsense and I'm a well educated real Human Being. The idea that a scumbag lying gullible fuckwit such as yourself could call a well balanced witty and urbane member of polite society an idiot isn't worth a snigger. Go peddle dumb somewhere else you fucking fake bag of shit.
@TheAntinode Are you saying that after WWii or indeed after ww1 those millions of working class people who had to fight should have just quietly gone back to their slums until the next time they where needed for cannon fodder?
@davijeph I think my comment explains my view on the video pretty well. Read it again and then think about it and I am sure after doing that in the order I mention you would get it.
Tony Benn is a REAL socialist, not North Korea or the Soviet Union which are a fucking insult and NOT socialist but COMMUNIST. FUnnily enough america, there really is a huge difference.
Well, you seem to be a bit of a cunt as well calling me a cunt with nothing to back it up beyond your misguided and irrelevant misconceptions. So I will respond with this: No I haven't read the communist manifesto and dont intend to because im not a fucking communist or have any interest in communism!
@masterthehate2 Then again, if a point your trying to make is that my views are similar to that of the communist manifesto then so be it, it was pre-soviet union for a start so cannot be held accountable for certain, shall we say, misinterpretations.
@madcapoperator You can cut out the bullshit sophistry. By your comment it seemed as though you were implying that communism is bad and I did back my "cunt" statement up with the supposition that you have not read or understood Das Capital or the communist manifesto.
There is a huge difference between reading a book and taking that book's message and ingraining it as a part of your life. I for one am a nihilist, I have read the bible cover to cover.
@madcapoperator if you're going to make judgments against something it would behoove you to at least be slightly informed as to what you *might* be against. Making ludicrous statements against something you have zero true understanding of, (evidence by talking about North K. and Soviet, both of which were not communist but either bureaucracy or totalitarian or both) also interesting is you didn't mention Cuba or Pol Pot.
@masterthehate2 And that's the thing, I actually dont give a fuck what some pseudo interllectual brat is going to preach to me over 3 messages. Because I used a term 'communist' over 'totalitarian' means fuck all as, in my eyes, communist states are also totalitarian ones.
As for not mentioning cuba and pol pot, what am I suppose to write a fucking list!? I would consider it if youtube didnt have comment limits but they dont so I havent. I embrace universal health care, end of.
@madcapoperator What does commune mean LOL. I don't give a right bloody fuck what you see in "your eyes" because there is fact and then there are imaginary facts like the ones you have in your head. Communism and totalitarian is almost a double negative since both are the opposites of each other.
Totalitarianism takes power from all and give it to one, communism takes power from the few and gives it to all.
@madcapoperator To sum it up, there is ignorance and there is not. Even if you disagree with the ideas of communism, learning about it won't change that except you would be able to give rational and informed opinions about the alternative if you understood what the bloody fuck you were arguing against in the slightest.
A dictatorship of the proletariat but not the dictatorship of the state where men work by their ability and earn according to their needs.
@z0mgrugbyreturns no actually r u on drugs fukn hell floggn off to 'fit' black fellas has done ur head in socialism is cuba GET IT RIGHT SON, soviet union was communist u jack off and china is a fake version
@mesoohornby Sad cunt, get a life, seriously now mate. You know as little about politics as you do Rugby.
Soviet Union was totalitarian control by the state. Communism is control by the people. The Soviet Union was as far away from Communism as you could get.
If you stopped watching Yank movies and got an education maybe you'd have a better grasp of what Communism was. You neo-nazi cunt.
I love tony benns way to think about progress, and he gives simple clear arguments for socialism. Many people in the left have brilliant ideas but they are complicated and far reacted for people. I mean how many have read "das capital"! So I like his wonderful simple optimistic approach!
If you think about it, North Korea, the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Khmer Rouge, Tatmadaw, etc....those aren't/weren't even communist states. They were state capitalist entities in which all ways, means, and decisions of production were made by a select few upper echelon party members...much like the board of directors at a corporation.
@MrRoboto81 directors are employed by the company's owners with the job of appealing to customers. Party members of the kind of regimes you mention are appointed their positions to suppress the freedom and individuality that capitalism depends on.
That's one way to look at it, but if I interpret Marx's works correctly...he envisioned what he called "pure communism," in which the government, and in essence the state itself disappeared entirely. Either way, Tony Benn is a true socialist. It would be nice to see more like him.
@madcapoperator the united states is morally bankrupt nation with know nothing idiots that think calling someone french or communist or muslim is an argument
He had some good ideas, but it was a shame he was such a leftist. Labour is a horrible party, whether it is in the UK, Australlia NZ or anywhere else.
I Love Tony Benn. His every words make more sense than all the American Politics combined. Capitalism and Communism are both inadequate systems EXCEPT Democracy and Moderate Socialism.
It's not perfect and neither is the NHS, but it's better than the alternative. Independent internet based media like 'Real News' and 'Democracy Now' are fine, but they'll never have the resources to have people on the ground anywhere/everywhere in the world. The BBC is like a baseline for what the 'story' is in the country - can generally be relied on for factual information, even if they interoperate the fact as you'd expect upper-middle class journalist to do so, at least they...
don't usually outright lie, as Sky News and ITN News do, if you can even call them news. And aside from the news, BBC 4 and Radio 4 are great, as are 'big budget' documentaries shown on One and Two, they wouldn't exist without the BBC. Having grown up in a working class family, where there's no ethos of learning and both my parents left school before 16. I have the BBC to thank for getting me interested in the pursuit of knowledge for it own sake and for being at university.
@mgore90 they dont lie but it is certainly corrupt, we do not get a fair account of things and it can be very one sided in many different conflicts, as well as propaganda. now thats just speculation and opinion.. but, we pay a license fee against our will just for the bbc.. we dont want to pay for it, and the governent will not remove it, just so that they have something to blackmail the bbc with if they need to.
That's a point, but if we did have the choice to pay or not, then the BBC would be even more one sided, as it would be forced to panda to the prejudices of the people. I'm pessimistic - under today's conditions I think that the majority of people would choose Sky over the BBC if their financial situation dictated a choice between one or the other, they voted in the Tory's after all. Perhaps it would be better if the licence fee was based on ones ability to pay though.
@mgore90 if we didnt pay, they wouldnt be manipulated by the government, and there is no reason they should be manipulated by the people.. the other channels certainly arent.. personally i think that it would make very little difference in terms of content if we didnt pay the fee.. the government we have today was not voted by anyone, not 1 person in the UK voted for a coalition government.
True, but more voted Tory than Labour. Trying not to sound 'elitist' as the Right would say, but certainly a lot more people voted Tory than it was in their interest to do. Most likely because of the media feeding on older prejudices about immigrants or 'welfare scroungers', at least the BBC doesn't stoop to that. I've heard that Murdoch isn't evil and if he could make money off serious programming he would, it's just easier to sensationalise - takes 2 2 tango, the people and the media
@mgore90 do you think the public, being mostly educated by the news, know the truth about why we went to iraq? why the resession took place? among other things?
Of course not, that's my point, are they going choose the BBC which will at least allow some dissident voices to be heard or are they going to choose Sky News that will tell them what they want to hear (like I said, it's cyclical). The BBC may support the status quo, but it pisses off Tory's and the Right no end, so it must be doing something right. The BBC as it stands today may have problems (with politicisation), but the concept of public service broadcasting is a virtuous one imo.
@mgore90 the people want the truth, so sky are not just giving what the people want as well as BBC etc. So, the point im trying to get to is: Is this really a democracy? If we are being educated by the media with misinformation, how can we make an informed decision of who we want to run the country? That to me, is not democracy.
Tony Benn is great and I wish there was a way to go back and grab him when he was young and multiply him. Then bring those copies to the United States.
@Tuphut: Socialism cannot be nationalist. Nationalism divides people along man made (imagined) borders. It can be organised locally, but it must globally focused, remembering most importantly that we are all one. Divide and be conquered, or unite to make our own destiny.
@paddydaughton When I look at socialist countries in the past, I see concentration and forced labor camps the size of nations! If we go with anything I say we go with what is natural and respect the natural territorial imperatives of humans. It is multiculturalism that has caused divisions and tensions when there were not, and if we have no borders it also means the end of my race, the European people!
@Tuphut: You are thinking of the nazis or Stalin for example. Those were centrally controlled authoritarian systems - that wasn't socialism. Socialism requires decentralised grassroots organisation. While we're on that example, the nazis were strongly nationalist!! And most fascist regimes appeal to racist sentiment. There is no need to be afraid of multiculturalism.
The "european people" after all is just an imagination carved from multiculturalism.
@paddydaughton "embracing multiculturalism" haha I suppose thats what they say isn't it. I don't think its realistic to embrace it whilst growing your own, how could you believe that, its just poor thought ! . . . you'd believe anything!
@Tuphut: It's got to do with accepting differences between people while not being an ignorant rascist fuckwad. You don't seem to be able to handle that. Probably as you are not really sure what your own culture is. Global capitalism, rather than socialism, is much more responsible for eroding cultures - brands are the new culture, and this will continue while the bottom line (profit) rules.
And what do you mean by growing your own culture.. again see, there is no 'european culture'. invented!!
@paddydaughton What do I mean by growing your own culture haha "Thats what you said". . You must think that multiculturalism is a grass roots movement. .
It seems he suggests that we need to be absolutely clear that we feel and are: Confident Empowered United Hopeful According to Tony Benn, once we demonstrate how confident, courageous, empowered, united and hopeful, we are that is when we will make progress in these challenging times.
I was researching Z. Sitchins work where he mentions the Sumarian moral code. Of all places on the "forensicprofiles" web site I quote: "Kramer (1971: 4) adds a further element: 'The Sumarian was deeply conscious of his personal rights and resented any encroachment on them, whether by his King, his superior, or his equal. No wonder that the Sumerians were the first to compile laws and law codes.'" The Sumarians were into their civil rights and we need to right now too.
massiveants get a life, how many comments? Why focus primarily on the religion thing. Your missing the point of the interview, he's using it to assist him with delivering his message, it has nothing to do with faith. But thanks for all your useless comments, which have absorbed the whole discussion. Completely missing out the relevent point. Tony Benn is fascinating.
@themoneyethics I'm not making vast amounts of random comments for the fun of it. I've replied to a few other people who have directly responded (or given me abuse) to my original passing comment. It's not my fault people want to talk about it.
It's you who's missing the point. You say he is using Jesus to assist him in delivering his message, but by using a religious metaphor he is making it a question of faith by default.
If you take anything from this, it is that even if you don't vote, you have to turn up at the ballot box to show that you're not voting. lol *X*
UnitedKingdomify 18 hours ago
A state can avoid being controlled by big money. Take Vermont as an example; their governors have voted no to megaprojects, huge buildings, federal prisons, large dumps, etc.
MondoBeno 1 week ago
Wow! Why aren't political views like this more wide spread? (Seems so obvious when practically explained like this)
SpidermanInLondon 1 month ago
@SpidermanInLondon -- Because it's pure democratic socialism, and that scares the living Hell out of the powers that be . . . particularly on my side of the Atlantic.
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@h9guitarist Alas, I fear you're right. Corporation has made a mockery of democracy - it seems capitalism has gone too far.
I may be a hopeless optimist, but I can't help feeling that if enough ordinary people were explained the situation, things might begin to change.
SpidermanInLondon 1 month ago
Britain could have been great again, if this man had been prime minister !
DinoLucca1 1 month ago 5
His arguement became flawed half way through! What he and many Tory wannabe Labour men don't realise is we are just a number and the Earth can not and should not have to sustain 7 billion of us! He is too concerned with saving other cultures but his own too busy trying to get his moral sensitbilty across! I listen to him the same way I listen to Cameron tell us we can't afford this this and this but we can afford Foriegn Aid! No no no shut up you sill old man!
2490debrick 1 month ago
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Nah, rather you should shut your claptrap, you silly nit, Benn HAS BEEN helping his own all his life, he spent his life helping the working poor while he could have otherwise been like any of those morally bankrupt bankers helping their own selves at the expense of everyone. When that man dies, he will fly right heaven and straight onto the upper level of heaven, where God will have extra treats for all the better-lived human lives. You, well, you'll be going nowhere
N1755L 1 month ago
@N1755L I'd like to get a look at his Expenses and see just as bad as they when compared to his Arch-Nemeis' Thatchers I bet they are equally as appaling! Heaven maybe where he is going but I have reservations about the mans Righteousness especially a man who has helped grrom New Labour! Claptrap to you but your a chocolate teapot!
2490debrick 1 month ago
Keep at em Tony- ANOTHER Great speech at London OCCUPY-INSPIRATIONAL.The world needs more like you (especially in govts where they are extremely thin on the ground)
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TONY BEEN AND NON VIOLENCE DONT BELONG IN THE SAME SENTENCE . THIS WAS THE SAME GUY WHO BACKED THE MILITANT MINERS AND ARTHUR SCARGILL. THIIS IS SIMPLY BULLSHIT SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA.
LONG LIVE THATCHERISM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hatinae 3 months ago
@hatinae - Tony Benn NOT Been. I recommend you do some reading my friend as you seem to be misinformed.
mikemantis41 3 months ago
benn is an inspiration because i believe strongly in the labour movement and collective action
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He talks so much sense.
todayinlondon 4 months ago
I wish we had politicians in the U.S. like him. Perhaps we do but their words are drowned out by those bought off by the corporations. I love his comment in another interview with Michael Moore where he says that government does not want a healthy, well educated contituency. He adds with a chuckle that it would be too hard to control. With the U.S. being 39th in the performance of our health care system and seriously lagging in education, the U.S. Government has nothing to worry about.
dnsmithnc 4 months ago
America has been given away over a thirty year period. The Marquette Decision in 1978 by the passing of that law gave all the power to the "Banking System" in South Dakota and Deleware in the only two states that have little to no Usery Laws on credit.
rolgib 4 months ago
this guy's a dinosaur.
natureboyinyourface 5 months ago
Tony Benn should have been PM!
TheHasselBoff 6 months ago 4
this guy has chutzspah how can you not respect him??
MrBillcale 6 months ago
1:32 - "He publically supported Sinn Fein, and the reunification of Ireland" - and that was a good thing? Like most Americans, Moores knowledge of the troubles probably stem from watching "The Devil's Own" with Brad Pitt on DVD. Or some other shite film
MrSyrett 7 months ago
@MrSyrett Yes it's a good thing, your have clear support for Imperialism, is that a good thing?
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
@Threepwoodist - Imperialism? Sorry, but that's just a trite, oversimplification of an extremely complex conflict, that had many political and military dimensions, which spanned literally hundreds of years.
MrSyrett 4 months ago
@MrSyrett You think it's trite, but that's what it is, colonial settlement of another country, all the complications thereafter, during a rising age of imperialism, you clearly don't understand much about Irish or British history.
The Normans, when they conquered Ireland, were to set in motion, how Britain treated Ireland in the later years, it's all very simple if you look for the answer.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
If you support Britain controlling the north of Ireland; the little state politically called 'Northern Ireland'; then you support British imperialism. You can bang on about complications, half-truths, difficulties in the conflict etc, of which there are many and I agree with you, but that's how all of this started, Britain trying to colonise Ireland, so the better they could rule them, and here we are hundreds of years later, with Britain still clinging on to a country they want to own.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
"If you support Britain controlling the north of Ireland...you support British imperialism". I don't know any right minded British person in the 21st centuray that is "in favour" of imperialism. Yes, the root of the problem (going back many many years) was Empire Building. But guess what, the world changes. No, I dont agree with what happened in the 17th centuay regarding the plantation of ulster. How does that help us is the 21st century? Do you think any UK prime minister wanted to......
MrSyrett 4 months ago
@MrSyrett So you agree, that this all started with British Imperialism. Thanks for agreeing.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
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Threepwoodist 4 months ago
"And I'm calling you an Imperialist, because you questioned the benefits of unifying Ireland...blah blah" - Im not surprised you deleted this comment. Where did I question the benefits of a unified Ireland? Oh, that's right, I didn't. I was questioning the means - not the end. Power-sharing was the only way NI was ever going to be resolved - and (for all his faults) Blair was one of the most instrumental in making this happen. Some Imperialist - open the doors of number 10 to Gerry Adams
MrSyrett 4 months ago
@MrSyrett I only deleted it, so I could say direct it to you personally and not leave it on youtube, I copied and pasted. "He publically supported Sinn Fein, and the reunification of Ireland" - and that was a good thing?" there you go, that's where you questioned it. You said 'and the unification of Ireland', your English has let you down.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
@Threepwoodist - Nice misinterpretation - My original comment was "this was a good thing?" when Moore said he was a supporter of Sinn Fein. My point being picking sides in a conflict this complex, and historically entrenched into the culture was futile. It was the supporting Sinn Fein part that my "this was a good thing" comment was directed at.
MrSyrett 4 months ago
Agai I repeat - don't confuse the actions of the government with the will of the people
MrSyrett 4 months ago
@MrSyrett I'm not confusing it, none of my statements have been against the British people, they have always been against the imperialist nature of our government, you same to make up implications, and go with it.
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"So you agree, that this all started with British Imperialism" - except "how it started" wasn't the point of contention was it. It was your implication (and non sequitar) that anyone that didn't support the actions of sinn fein was by definition in favour of imperialism. Likewise, your bringing up of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan (I asume that is what you are refering to), is equally irrelevant. Over a million people marched on London against that. So don't confuse the actions of the.....
MrSyrett 4 months ago
.......goverment with the will of the people.
MrSyrett 4 months ago
@MrSyrett No, you took it, as my implication, I didn't say anything about Sinn Fein. So what if millions marched against it; we killed over 1 million innocent Iraqis on a pack of lies. Are you ignoring all those poor souls' deaths? I think you are ...
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
@Threepwoodist "Are you ignoring all those poor souls' deaths? I think you are ..." Your strawmen arguments are just laughable. How is anything I have said remotely excusing that war or in favour of imperialism? Arguing with you is like a slow death
MrSyrett 4 months ago
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@MrSyrett And in case you haven't noticed, we are still walking about trying to rule other people's countries, that's called Imperialism, if you say that it doesn't exist anymore ("guess what the world changes") then you are either an ignorant fool, or you are an apologist for it.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
@MrSyrett I know plenty in favour of Imperialism.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
....inherit a problem like NI? Do you think that bombing women and children (too young to have any political allegiances), would somehow make the UK government sympathetic to the demands of republicans? Do you think loyalists living 4 hundred years after the original plantation dont call NI home? Do you think the killing and violence would have stopped if the UK had capitulated? Calling me an Imperialist because I disagree with Sinn Fein is as disingenuous as me calling you an advocate of murder
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@MrSyrett You are focusing on all the wrong things here, that's why it's a complicated issue to you; I could easily churn up all the atrocities that British soldiers committed over a 800 years on innocent victims as you have down conversely, that's not the point. Yes the attacks on Britain would have stopped, if the British withdrew their occupation from a foreign country, a country that isn't their own.
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@MrSyrett And I'm calling you an Imperialist, because you questioned the benefits of unifying Ireland. If you are not for it, you are in support of the British who currently agitate it, you can't have it both ways.
Threepwoodist 4 months ago
Imagine if he was PM instead of Thatcher, we and the world would be SO much better off.
atosafi1 7 months ago 3
Id vote for him. If he was voted in as prime minister if move back to the UK
machinehead5760 7 months ago
i could listen to this guy all day
ajax201000 7 months ago
This is a man of profound integrity. His intelligence & persuasive arguments blows-away the morally challenged.
musarman 7 months ago
This guy is a quote machine
adamam20000 7 months ago 2
@adamam20000 I know yeah! Ive been quoting him to help my causes for free healthcare ect!
machinehead5760 7 months ago
You would think that the majority of Americans have confused socialism with paedophilia based on the way they react to the word alone.
itsthearistocrat 8 months ago 3
Beautiful man.
PhiloAmericana 8 months ago
This man is ahead of the curve.
RossWildish 8 months ago 17
@RossWildish not really, he just stuck to his values which he has had for a long time, this is what Labour used to be like
djamorpheus 7 months ago
I wish Tony Benn was my grandad.
henrah1981 8 months ago 51
@henrah1981 I wish he is primeminister
machinehead5760 7 months ago
Were are the LABOUR mp`s like Tony all imposed on constituencies by Central office.They don`t ROCK THE BOAT except expenses.
kitwann1 9 months ago 2
what an amazing man
soulsparton 9 months ago 5
Like any 'ism' socialism is a broad church, but there's a world of difference between a Soviet-style command economy and economic democracy.
James3940 9 months ago 2
genius
wiffybiffy 10 months ago
North Korea and the USSR weren't even Communist.
MyFantazmagazzle 10 months ago
@MyFantazmagazzle Tony Benn like many great Britons makes the mistake of falling into traps. They try to distance themselves from Communism and slander Communism because they crave acceptance from their Political enemies(Right wing Capitalists).
Tony Benn is a great man but his understanding of Socialism - Communism too, for that matter - is outright wrong.
British Socialism is a JOKE. Because British 'Socialists' distance themselves from true Socialism and embrace Establishment doctrine.
z0mgrugbyreturns 8 months ago
@MyFantazmagazzle In fact I'd go one further and say that if you took text book Socialism, presented it as Communism to a British 'Socialist', they'd ridicule every idea you presented.
Most Socialists in Britain are only Socialist in name, they have no understanding of political systems of ideologies.
z0mgrugbyreturns 8 months ago
Tony Benn ...... a man with a Beautiful, Caring and Realistic Philosophy.
UncagedCardinal 1 year ago
Tony Benn is a Great Man.
LeCatnip 1 year ago
The "State" known in democratic countries as "the people" choose by democratic means to make laws and by default law enforcement. Trying to ensure that they "the people" are individually free as possible try to balance those freedoms with the need to ensure civilised norms for ALL citizens. For those who cannot or will not except those "civilised norms" and refuse to except their responsibilities to society they are free to leave they are not forced to stay. They are not forced to do anything.
davijeph 1 year ago
Wow, what a fool. Everything should be voluntary, the exact OPPOSITE of State Socialism.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 What is the fire brigade, the library or the public schools in America if not socialist? They're still voluntary. You're not obliged to borrow a book or have your fires put out or keep your children in public schools. And if you have a system like the NHS you're still free to die if you really want to. That's what separates sosialism from communism and it it a massive difference between the two.
xXpimpleXx 1 year ago
@xXpimpleXx "What is the fire brigade, the library or the public schools"
They are currently coercive sector slavery institutions coercively exploited by thug unions to shake down the public at large.
"They're still voluntary."
Is a robbery still voluntary as well? You believe in mass slavery/fascism/socialism, at least be honest about supporting robbery and slavery.
The Non-Aggression Principle. Everything should be voluntary, the exact OPPOSITE of Statism/Fascism/Socialism/Slavery.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 So you don't believe everyone should be able to use these utilities and you don't know that fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive. You simply don't know what English words mean and shouldn't expect people with IQ's the north of 70 to listen to you.
I'll give you a simple one to remember. Government ruled by corporation=fascism. Corporation ruled by government=communism. Socialism is neither. Now go to the library you despise so much and ask for a dictionary.
xXpimpleXx 1 year ago
@xXpimpleXx "don't believe everyone should be able to use these utilities"
They should, as long as 'these utilities' are part of the voluntary sector.
"don't know that fascism and socialism are mutually exclusive."
Lol, no they are not. Hitler: "I am a Socialist."
If you Statists are going to be Statists, you should at least be open about it, so opponents of The State can see the enemy. Everything should be voluntary, the exact OPPOSITE of Statism/Fascism/Socialism/Slavery.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 What's with the repeating yourself in every comment?
Just because someone calls themselves a socialist it doesn't mean they are one or knows the meaning of the word. Hitler, Mussolini and Franco persecuted communists and socialists, and Hitler only said he was one to win an election and because the word fascism didn't exist then. National socialism is not socialism. Fascism is BY DEFINITION anti-socialistic.
What is the "voluntary sector" anyway? Never heard that before.
xXpimpleXx 1 year ago
@xXpimpleXx Socialism: (Merriam-Webster) 2b. a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
That sounds like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Mao and Stalin.
"National socialism is not socialism."
Yes it is.
"Fascism is BY DEFINITION anti-socialistic."
Fascism: (Merriam Webster 1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that ..........
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Fascism is by definition a form of socialism.
"What is the "voluntary sector" anyway?"
The voluntary sector is the non-State, non-coercive sector.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 If you Statists are going to be Statists, you should at least be open about it, so opponents of The State can see the enemy. Let me ask you a simple question, do you agree with Max Weber's definition that The State is a coercive monopoly initiated over a geographical area?
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
Why is "the State" an enemy of anyone living in a democratic society? You elect the people there, why wouldn't they be working FOR you? I know it sounds naive, but better than trusting a market which clearly can't regulate itself. Max Weber died in 1920 so he never saw any of these regimes OR what predatory capitalism inevitably leads to in modern society. By "The State", do you mean a government or a nation?
Again you make up words of your own and don't know what the rest of them mean.
xXpimpleXx 1 year ago
@xXpimpleXx "Why is "the State" an enemy of anyone"
Because The State coercively rob's and enslave's everyone. There is nothing worse than The State.
"living in a democratic society?"
A mob domination society like Hitler's Germany or Mao's China?
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 That's all just gibberish. You really are a complete airhead. Have a nice day.
xXpimpleXx 1 year ago
@xXpimpleXx Those are just facts stupid socialist thugs can never respond to.
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
@qwertypoiu4321 You're an uneducated cowardly fool, shut the fuck up you microbrained time wasting cretin.
nilbud 7 months ago
@nilbud Anyone that believes in the fantasy labor theory of value is a moron, anyone that extends a whole economic philosophy off of a fallacy is a complete moron.
qwertypoiu4321 7 months ago
@qwertypoiu4321
You are highly confused.
Not an insult - but most people are, even socialists. Your motive should be improvement, not destruction.
Let's get rid of all states, all governments, all political theory.
We will find ourselves self-organizing into communities, and doing EVERYTHING ALL OVER AGAIN.
There will be community leaders, institutions, services, and they will be run by people, and people will screw up badly, and we'll be fixing it, and end up back here on YouTube.
superhamzah85 7 months ago
Perhaps we should all be socialist (social)
Doesn't it imply that we care.
We are on the brink of a great change. We must recognize our individual responsibly and power and create a world of unconditional love of one and other.
We must stop being consumers cause we are controlled by it.
eggheadAKAspensley 1 year ago
Anyone who hates socialism and loves capitalism is a retard. Sorry but it really is that simple.
toryboy69 1 year ago 5
@1rem72 there's a lot of hypocrisy in your comment. why are you not extending the non-judgmental love taught by christ to everyone? instead of blaming people's misfortunes on selfishness and sin, why not show generosity and kindness to them, and leave that kind of judgment aside?
extmach 1 year ago
@extmach you must be rich and must have never experienced homelessness.
721rem 3 months ago
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"no society can legitimately call itself civilised if a sick person is denied medical aid because of lack of means." - Aneurin "Nye" Bevan
IanWaters42 1 year ago
This guy, Benn, is awesome. We need more thinkers like this in America.
CoreyTowson 1 year ago 2
@CoreyTowson , he is the best prime minister we never had
bigchiefmingingbolok 1 year ago
This man is genius. I could listen to this man for hours. What a unique and beautiful mind.
Mr62ford 1 year ago 2
we need this guy as adviser to our government.. we would be alot better off
arlichar11 1 year ago
WHY? OH WHY, DO PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH JESUS OR THE NAME OF JESUS??? IT IS HE WHO GIVES MERCY TO YOU TO TAKE YOUR NEXT PATHETIC WASTE OF A BREATH. T BENN WASNT EVEN PREACHING ABOUT JESUS AND SIN. HE SIMPLY STATED THAT EVEN IN THE BIBLE JESUS TAUGHT US TO CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND STOP BEING SO EFFING SELFISH!!! KINGS FELL AFTER PROPHETS WARNED THEM. IF EVEN A KING FALLS, HOW MUCH MORE YOU! THATS WHY PEOPLE CANT GET BLESSED ADN LOOSE JOBS, CARS, HOMES, THEN THEIR MINDS. SELFISHNESS/SIN.
1rem72 1 year ago
@1rem72 It's just a bunch of bullshit fairy tales you dimwit.
nilbud 7 months ago
@nilbud the bible and Jesus are NOT fairy tales you idiot!
721rem 3 months ago
@721rem Look bud, you lie about pretending to believe in some bullshit magic sky monster nonsense and I'm a well educated real Human Being. The idea that a scumbag lying gullible fuckwit such as yourself could call a well balanced witty and urbane member of polite society an idiot isn't worth a snigger. Go peddle dumb somewhere else you fucking fake bag of shit.
nilbud 3 months ago
@nilbud TELL YO MAMA NOT TO WEAR SO MANY DIFFERENT LIPSTICKS, SHE LEFT A RAINBOW ON MY DADDY'S DICK!
721rem 3 months ago
I am too young to understand the economy flows, but i think the world needs more people like him
ChoEugene 1 year ago
"People were hungry for new ideas" LOL no after ww2 people were hungry for socialism and redistribution of wealth.
TheAntinode 1 year ago
@TheAntinode Are you saying that after WWii or indeed after ww1 those millions of working class people who had to fight should have just quietly gone back to their slums until the next time they where needed for cannon fodder?
davijeph 1 year ago
@davijeph I think my comment explains my view on the video pretty well. Read it again and then think about it and I am sure after doing that in the order I mention you would get it.
TheAntinode 1 year ago
Tony Benn is a REAL socialist, not North Korea or the Soviet Union which are a fucking insult and NOT socialist but COMMUNIST. FUnnily enough america, there really is a huge difference.
madcapoperator 1 year ago 86
@madcapoperator have you ever read the communist manifesto...? because you sound like an ignorant cunt
masterthehate2 1 year ago
@masterthehate2
Well, you seem to be a bit of a cunt as well calling me a cunt with nothing to back it up beyond your misguided and irrelevant misconceptions. So I will respond with this: No I haven't read the communist manifesto and dont intend to because im not a fucking communist or have any interest in communism!
madcapoperator 1 year ago
@masterthehate2 Then again, if a point your trying to make is that my views are similar to that of the communist manifesto then so be it, it was pre-soviet union for a start so cannot be held accountable for certain, shall we say, misinterpretations.
madcapoperator 1 year ago
@madcapoperator You can cut out the bullshit sophistry. By your comment it seemed as though you were implying that communism is bad and I did back my "cunt" statement up with the supposition that you have not read or understood Das Capital or the communist manifesto.
There is a huge difference between reading a book and taking that book's message and ingraining it as a part of your life. I for one am a nihilist, I have read the bible cover to cover.
masterthehate2 1 year ago
@madcapoperator if you're going to make judgments against something it would behoove you to at least be slightly informed as to what you *might* be against. Making ludicrous statements against something you have zero true understanding of, (evidence by talking about North K. and Soviet, both of which were not communist but either bureaucracy or totalitarian or both) also interesting is you didn't mention Cuba or Pol Pot.
masterthehate2 1 year ago
@masterthehate2 And that's the thing, I actually dont give a fuck what some pseudo interllectual brat is going to preach to me over 3 messages. Because I used a term 'communist' over 'totalitarian' means fuck all as, in my eyes, communist states are also totalitarian ones.
As for not mentioning cuba and pol pot, what am I suppose to write a fucking list!? I would consider it if youtube didnt have comment limits but they dont so I havent. I embrace universal health care, end of.
madcapoperator 1 year ago
@madcapoperator SPOILER ALERT MOTHERFUCKER!!!! CUBA HAS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
You don't have the foggiest clue what communism is, and I'm calling out your ignorance and stupidity. Not your choice of words.
to reiterate,
YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NIGGER.
masterthehate2 1 year ago 2
@madcapoperator What does commune mean LOL. I don't give a right bloody fuck what you see in "your eyes" because there is fact and then there are imaginary facts like the ones you have in your head. Communism and totalitarian is almost a double negative since both are the opposites of each other.
Totalitarianism takes power from all and give it to one, communism takes power from the few and gives it to all.
masterthehate2 1 year ago 3
@madcapoperator To sum it up, there is ignorance and there is not. Even if you disagree with the ideas of communism, learning about it won't change that except you would be able to give rational and informed opinions about the alternative if you understood what the bloody fuck you were arguing against in the slightest.
A dictatorship of the proletariat but not the dictatorship of the state where men work by their ability and earn according to their needs.
masterthehate2 1 year ago
@madcapoperator I 'd say they 're not even communist. Have you read Howard Ziehn?
klasomentas 11 months ago
@madcapoperator Actually that's not correct either. North Korea and the Soviet Union were neither Socialist or Communist.
z0mgrugbyreturns 11 months ago 4
@z0mgrugbyreturns no actually r u on drugs fukn hell floggn off to 'fit' black fellas has done ur head in socialism is cuba GET IT RIGHT SON, soviet union was communist u jack off and china is a fake version
mesoohornby 11 months ago
@mesoohornby Sad cunt, get a life, seriously now mate. You know as little about politics as you do Rugby.
Soviet Union was totalitarian control by the state. Communism is control by the people. The Soviet Union was as far away from Communism as you could get.
If you stopped watching Yank movies and got an education maybe you'd have a better grasp of what Communism was. You neo-nazi cunt.
z0mgrugbyreturns 11 months ago 5
@madcapoperator
I love tony benns way to think about progress, and he gives simple clear arguments for socialism. Many people in the left have brilliant ideas but they are complicated and far reacted for people. I mean how many have read "das capital"! So I like his wonderful simple optimistic approach!
BlueFrog83 11 months ago 2
@madcapoperator North Korea and the USSR were/are not fully communist either. Communism shouldn't be used as a scare word either, mind you.
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z0mgrugbyreturns 8 months ago
@madcapoperator
If you think about it, North Korea, the USSR, PRC, Cuba, Khmer Rouge, Tatmadaw, etc....those aren't/weren't even communist states. They were state capitalist entities in which all ways, means, and decisions of production were made by a select few upper echelon party members...much like the board of directors at a corporation.
MrRoboto81 7 months ago
@MrRoboto81 directors are employed by the company's owners with the job of appealing to customers. Party members of the kind of regimes you mention are appointed their positions to suppress the freedom and individuality that capitalism depends on.
They are polar opposites.
basch2020 7 months ago
@basch2020
That's one way to look at it, but if I interpret Marx's works correctly...he envisioned what he called "pure communism," in which the government, and in essence the state itself disappeared entirely. Either way, Tony Benn is a true socialist. It would be nice to see more like him.
MrRoboto81 7 months ago
@madcapoperator the united states is morally bankrupt nation with know nothing idiots that think calling someone french or communist or muslim is an argument
MrBillcale 7 months ago
@MrBillcale Calling someone an American is a pretty lame argument too. Their are intelligent American take me for example....;-)
roundrox 6 months ago
@roundrox i never said all americans were know nothing idiots did i? just enough to bankrupt the states
MrBillcale 6 months ago
He had some good ideas, but it was a shame he was such a leftist. Labour is a horrible party, whether it is in the UK, Australlia NZ or anywhere else.
TheTrav1985 1 year ago
@TheTrav1985 What? sorry we are not all right wing.
mistaben2k 1 year ago
@mistaben2k no need to apologise, your welcome to your opinion. Freedom of speech is important.
TheTrav1985 1 year ago
@TheTrav1985
person first, party second. he was a member before it all became the corporate evil it is today!
piran75 1 year ago
the man is still sharp !
dargay 1 year ago
Bravo, Mr. Benn. Brav-o.
bapyou 1 year ago
I Love Tony Benn. His every words make more sense than all the American Politics combined. Capitalism and Communism are both inadequate systems EXCEPT Democracy and Moderate Socialism.
trabvo 1 year ago
American's can keep their M16's and SUV's and we'll keep our NHS and BBC!
mgore90 1 year ago 50
@mgore90 i here you
tunickyfrunicky 1 year ago
@mgore90 i hear you
tunickyfrunicky 1 year ago
@mgore90 bbc for what?
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
It's not perfect and neither is the NHS, but it's better than the alternative. Independent internet based media like 'Real News' and 'Democracy Now' are fine, but they'll never have the resources to have people on the ground anywhere/everywhere in the world. The BBC is like a baseline for what the 'story' is in the country - can generally be relied on for factual information, even if they interoperate the fact as you'd expect upper-middle class journalist to do so, at least they...
mgore90 1 year ago
@supasye
don't usually outright lie, as Sky News and ITN News do, if you can even call them news. And aside from the news, BBC 4 and Radio 4 are great, as are 'big budget' documentaries shown on One and Two, they wouldn't exist without the BBC. Having grown up in a working class family, where there's no ethos of learning and both my parents left school before 16. I have the BBC to thank for getting me interested in the pursuit of knowledge for it own sake and for being at university.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 they dont lie but it is certainly corrupt, we do not get a fair account of things and it can be very one sided in many different conflicts, as well as propaganda. now thats just speculation and opinion.. but, we pay a license fee against our will just for the bbc.. we dont want to pay for it, and the governent will not remove it, just so that they have something to blackmail the bbc with if they need to.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
That's a point, but if we did have the choice to pay or not, then the BBC would be even more one sided, as it would be forced to panda to the prejudices of the people. I'm pessimistic - under today's conditions I think that the majority of people would choose Sky over the BBC if their financial situation dictated a choice between one or the other, they voted in the Tory's after all. Perhaps it would be better if the licence fee was based on ones ability to pay though.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 if we didnt pay, they wouldnt be manipulated by the government, and there is no reason they should be manipulated by the people.. the other channels certainly arent.. personally i think that it would make very little difference in terms of content if we didnt pay the fee.. the government we have today was not voted by anyone, not 1 person in the UK voted for a coalition government.
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
True, but more voted Tory than Labour. Trying not to sound 'elitist' as the Right would say, but certainly a lot more people voted Tory than it was in their interest to do. Most likely because of the media feeding on older prejudices about immigrants or 'welfare scroungers', at least the BBC doesn't stoop to that. I've heard that Murdoch isn't evil and if he could make money off serious programming he would, it's just easier to sensationalise - takes 2 2 tango, the people and the media
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 do you think the public, being mostly educated by the news, know the truth about why we went to iraq? why the resession took place? among other things?
supasye 1 year ago
@supasye
Of course not, that's my point, are they going choose the BBC which will at least allow some dissident voices to be heard or are they going to choose Sky News that will tell them what they want to hear (like I said, it's cyclical). The BBC may support the status quo, but it pisses off Tory's and the Right no end, so it must be doing something right. The BBC as it stands today may have problems (with politicisation), but the concept of public service broadcasting is a virtuous one imo.
mgore90 1 year ago
@mgore90 the people want the truth, so sky are not just giving what the people want as well as BBC etc. So, the point im trying to get to is: Is this really a democracy? If we are being educated by the media with misinformation, how can we make an informed decision of who we want to run the country? That to me, is not democracy.
supasye 1 year ago
@mgore90 Wanna trade?
419KA 11 months ago
@mgore90 Want to trade?
419KA 11 months ago
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mgore90 1 year ago
i also love Tony Benn he is a REAL
MrMutualRespect 1 year ago
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Fat fuck socialist moore can suck my big dick
Freedom21stCenturi 1 year ago
@Freedom21stCenturi: why? are you gay?? :)
paddydaughton 1 year ago
This is excellent!
Tony Benn is great and I wish there was a way to go back and grab him when he was young and multiply him. Then bring those copies to the United States.
myopinionsplenty 1 year ago
I've seen this extra more times than Sicko itself. It made so much sense, and I became a Socialist because of Tony. This man made me understand.
TrenchcoatWallflower 1 year ago
I think national socialism is the way to go.
Tuphut 1 year ago
@Tuphut: Socialism cannot be nationalist. Nationalism divides people along man made (imagined) borders. It can be organised locally, but it must globally focused, remembering most importantly that we are all one. Divide and be conquered, or unite to make our own destiny.
paddydaughton 1 year ago
@paddydaughton When I look at socialist countries in the past, I see concentration and forced labor camps the size of nations! If we go with anything I say we go with what is natural and respect the natural territorial imperatives of humans. It is multiculturalism that has caused divisions and tensions when there were not, and if we have no borders it also means the end of my race, the European people!
Tuphut 1 year ago
@Tuphut: You are thinking of the nazis or Stalin for example. Those were centrally controlled authoritarian systems - that wasn't socialism. Socialism requires decentralised grassroots organisation. While we're on that example, the nazis were strongly nationalist!! And most fascist regimes appeal to racist sentiment. There is no need to be afraid of multiculturalism.
The "european people" after all is just an imagination carved from multiculturalism.
paddydaughton 1 year ago
@paddydaughton Yeah well good luck
Tuphut 1 year ago
@Tuphut: good luck? Any chance you might reconsider you're position in light of ideas that had not (it appears) occurred to you?
You can celebrate and grow your culture, while at the same time embracing multiculturalism.
paddydaughton 1 year ago
@paddydaughton "embracing multiculturalism" haha I suppose thats what they say isn't it. I don't think its realistic to embrace it whilst growing your own, how could you believe that, its just poor thought ! . . . you'd believe anything!
Tuphut 1 year ago
@Tuphut: It's got to do with accepting differences between people while not being an ignorant rascist fuckwad. You don't seem to be able to handle that. Probably as you are not really sure what your own culture is. Global capitalism, rather than socialism, is much more responsible for eroding cultures - brands are the new culture, and this will continue while the bottom line (profit) rules.
And what do you mean by growing your own culture.. again see, there is no 'european culture'. invented!!
paddydaughton 1 year ago
@paddydaughton What do I mean by growing your own culture haha "Thats what you said". . You must think that multiculturalism is a grass roots movement. .
Tuphut 1 year ago
@Tuphut: what are you actually trying to say dude?
i think i've been pretty clear.
paddydaughton 1 year ago
@paddydaughton If you want to really talk with me properly then you should send em a personal message. .
Tuphut 1 year ago
The Labour MP for Galilee North haha, you really can't beat it, Go on yourself Tony!
CountryQuestion 1 year ago
HE'S RIGHT.THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE TODAY ARE THE ONES WHO
PRAY TO MONEY;
mistaben2k 1 year ago
fantastic
Raylufc 1 year ago
researchfiend 1 year ago
I was researching Z. Sitchins work where he mentions the Sumarian moral code. Of all places on the "forensicprofiles" web site I quote: "Kramer (1971: 4) adds a further element: 'The Sumarian was deeply conscious of his personal rights and resented any encroachment on them, whether by his King, his superior, or his equal. No wonder that the Sumerians were the first to compile laws and law codes.'" The Sumarians were into their civil rights and we need to right now too.
researchfiend 1 year ago
The economy needs to be democratic.
GeorgesBarras 1 year ago
massiveants get a life, how many comments? Why focus primarily on the religion thing. Your missing the point of the interview, he's using it to assist him with delivering his message, it has nothing to do with faith. But thanks for all your useless comments, which have absorbed the whole discussion. Completely missing out the relevent point. Tony Benn is fascinating.
themoneyethics 1 year ago
@themoneyethics I'm not making vast amounts of random comments for the fun of it. I've replied to a few other people who have directly responded (or given me abuse) to my original passing comment. It's not my fault people want to talk about it.
It's you who's missing the point. You say he is using Jesus to assist him in delivering his message, but by using a religious metaphor he is making it a question of faith by default.
massiveants 1 year ago