That`s a bit like puttíng American V8 in a Ferrari. It`s just not cool. If you want mid-engined supercar with BMW engine, then why don`t you just by BMW M1?
@FGalaxie Unfair playing field? How's that? The Japanese were bombed back to the stone age during WW2, nothing like that happened to US industry. The difference between the US and the Japanese is the willingness of the Japanese to move forward, the big three just wanted to produced the same old crap that they always had.
The Japanese never required billions just to stay afloat.
Ford is producing some good stuff these days, but I don't think I could ever trust a Ford because of their reputation
@idontcare80 You just don`t know what you`re talking about. Ever heard of UAW? Labor costs? Protectionism of the Japanese home market? ....and a LOT of other stuff... It`s just too long and complicated issue to start educating to you here and now, but you really have a lot to learn about the history of the auto industry.
@MrXuffy What does any of that have to do with the kinds of cars the big three produced? They CHOSE to produce unreliable junk, they CHOSE not to advance, they CHOSE to fight progress. The US had the most successful auto industry in the world, there is no way in hell they weren't making enough money to advance their products right along side every other company in the world.
@idontcare80 Do you know what is UAW? Do you have any idea of what kind of labor costs the big three had to deal with, and how they compared to their competitors labor costs?
They chose to do stupid things in 1970`s, but since then most of their problems were somehow related to how UAW was sucking their blood and how they had to fight the competition with their hands tied behind their back. They couldn`t even modenrnize factories because UAW thought they wouldn`t need that many workers then.
@idontcare80 they flooded the american market with cars they already made (it wasn't like the genius japanese came out themwith suddenly) but wouldn't allow hardly any importation american cars.the japanese government's taxation on car over a certain mileage forces people to buy new cars or pay much higher taxes.it'd be like if japan sent millions of cheap playstations here but blocked importation of xboxs,what would MS be able to do.they basically price dumped their way into the american market
@osp80 The Japanese didn't flood shit, people BOUGHT Japanese cars because they excelled in all of the ways that they wanted a car to. The American big three didn't have ANY reliable or efficient cars in the late 70s, when Americans started to buy Japanese cars in large numbers. Nobody in Japan wanted American cars, they were/are too big, too inefficient (Japan pays more than us for fuel) and the Japanese pay higher taxes for larger engine displacements (American engines were/are huge).
@idontcare80 No one could predict the oil embargo beforhands, and before that the Japanese really were tiny players in America. This all goes down to how much higher the standard of living was in America when compared to any other country in the world (back in 1960`s and times before that) - and how much cheaper gas was in America. People wanted big and powerful cars. Gas mileage wasn`t selling cars (in big numbers). American companies built cars in that world until it all changed overnight.
@MrXuffy I really don't care either way, the American big three built some of the worst junk you could buy for three decades (for whatever reason you want to believe) and I don't throw my money away on junk.
@FGalaxie I really don't care either way, the American big three built some of the worst junk you could buy for three decades (for whatever reason you want to believe) and I don't throw my money away on junk.
@FGalaxie Most of the Hondas I've owned were built in the US.
And no, within the past few years Ford has started to mingle with the German and Japanese brands on the quality and reliability lists. GM and Chrysler, however, still struggle to get any brands above the industry average.
@idontcare80 another thing is the myth of japanese superiority,when is the last time you saw a 83 starlet on the road or any old japanese tuck that's not rusted to death?you seem like an open minded individual so i won't waste further time
@osp80 My brother's girlfriend drives an '84 Civic with more than 180,000 miles on it everyday. The only thing it ever needed was to have the carb rebuilt. It also gets well 30 mpg in the city. I owned an '87 Civic for years (until some bitch in a minivan hit me a totaled it), it was flawlessly reliable, never got below 30 mpg and was faster than my friends Duster which was powered by a 318 V8! There are 5 Hondas and 3 Nissans in my family right now, all have been flawless, I could go on and on.
thinly disguised race cars that are hundreds of thousands of dollars more lets compair them to an scc areo or a mosler proton I can own a ZR-1 but you will NEVER own a zonda
@sirlonghair The ZR1 has 638 hp and it uses a supercharger to make that power. The Enzo, the Apollo, the MC12, and the Zonda F all leave it in the dust BTW. It also gets the same mileage as most of those cars.
there are cars rolling in America that are far far cheaper faster quicker agile than any wear there are no rules in a street fight and if you bring a knife to a gunfight be prepared to bleed if the car was built before 1995 there are no emissions so yes Nelson racing engines are on the street running 2500Hp 2000ft.lbs.Tq. completely legal and Europe don't even have full race car to compare to cars that are street hear all for the price of a tune up and clutch change on a Lambo or Ferrari
@sirlonghair You must have never completed elementary school because half of your comment is completely unintelligible. There are NO street legal production cars that can keep up with the Gumpert Apollo and the ZR1 can't keep up with more than a few European cars, including the Enzo. Hell the vast majority of the fastest production cars are European!
@sirlonghair And I told you that the Nelson engines don't meet any kind of emissions standards so you could NEVER run one in a ZR1 unless it was purely a race vehicle. The Ferrari and Lamborghini engines both meet modern emission standards AND make 650+ hp. GET OVER THAT.
@idontcare80 or you can build a kit car like an ultama GTR and drop a full built nelson racing engine in it and make world record 0-100-0MPH just like the guy who is driving that world record holding car right now a GTR so equipped will piss on anything
@FGalaxie I'd probably take the new Ford Coyote V8 over a Lexus V8, but everything else American is crude junk and I just don't really like European stuff because they always seem to have reliability problems. The Japanese make the best engines that I've ever seen, but they don't really make any large high performance engines.
@FGalaxie I couldn't care less about classics, I'm talking about performance. American engines couldn't come close to the performance of the Japanese engines for almost three decades. Now that the advance of engine technology is slowing down, the Americans have had a chance to catch up.
@FGalaxie Once you get passed being a moron you'll realize that the American big three never did anything but produce junk to make a profit off of people who were dumb enough to buy their products (since the late 70s anyway).
Ever see anything like the MKIV Supra from the Americans or Europeans? Didn't think so. Ever seen anything like the CRX from the Europeans from the Americans? How about the Skyline? Or the RX-7? Or the Lancer Evolution? Or the Subaru STi? Didn't think so.
@idontcare80 Gawd, Auto history isnt your strongpoint is it?
Youre a tard
Who do yoiu think invented twin cams and variable valve timing? It sure wasnt the Japs, they just gave it marketble name and thats it.
Skyline? haha in a few years you see them clapped out with broken tail lights, 10 foot wings, cannon exhausts and stickers, driven by Lebanese and dorky Asian students.
All those rally cars were done before, the Stratos, the Audi Quattro, the Escort BDA, the Fiat 132.
@FGalaxie Technology isn't your strong point is it? The Europeans came up with DOHC, but that sure as hell doesn't mean they designed every DOHC engine that was ever made. Lycoming came up with a VVT system for the R-7755, but that doesn't mean they designed every VVT system ever put into production. In fact, most VVT systems (by far) don't have ANY similarities to the Lycoming system.
I wasn't talking about the people who own Skylines, I was talking about the concept and the technology.
@idontcare80 Why would I want to watch a video of the Lebo drug dealer staff car?
THEY ARE GOOK PACKS
NO STYLE, NO SOUL NO RESALE VALUE, WILL NOT BECOME CLASSICS OR HAVE ANY EFFECT ON AUTO HISTORY.
When H built the NSX, a car they made no money from, sold stuff all, and have no resale value, they copied Ferrari to such a detail it was incredible, Thats Japs, Not honor, no originality.
Marque, tradition, adding to the automotive history count.
@FGalaxie No resale value? Are you joking? Japanese cars have had higher resale values that American cars for DECADES.
There were NO Ferraris in existence with a VTEC V6, or a aluminum chassis, that was all Honda.
If the Japanese didn't have any effect on the auto industry why do most of the cars today resemble (technologically) the Japanese cars that started being widely produced in the mid 80s?
Just about everything has a DOHC, transverse FWD layout. NOTHING today resembles the American....
@FGalaxie Yup, I remember Pearl Harbor, I also remember the Alamo, but what relevance do those have to today?
RWD is great for cars that are meant to be fast, but the vast majority of people don't need or want cars that are fast, most people want cars that are safe, reliable, fuel efficient and practical. And hey, guess what. Those are all of the same things that Japanese cars had and that's why became so successful while the American companies failed. The British came up with the transverse...
...FWD system that we are used to seeing, the Japanese just applied it over a much wider range of designs. Nothing today uses a FWD system that is similar to what's in the Tornado.
The Japanese saw the potential of the rotary and won Le Mans with it, then rotary engines were banned to keep them from slaughtering everything and taking over.
wow, another thing they copied from th Europeans, but at least the Germans were smart enough to see how much oil they slurp and the rotor tip wear and dont use it anymore.
Then you'd absolutely HATE me for a conversion of a 1974L shell using a 427 LS7 engine. Incidentally, I also have a 72 pre-L, which I'm keeping all Cleveland.
every used Ferrari for sale has 20,000 miles on it .Why? because that's wen they break and after paying to fix it the owner never wants to risk breaking it again then after looking at it taking up room for a couple years he wants to sell it just ask Jay Lenno he don't own one because he knows cars
Yes, the BMW V8 sounds totally diferent to the USA V8's, diferent crank throw configuration...To hear sound & see pic of detomaso pantera grp4 breathing thru quad 48IDA Webers and exhausting thru factory 180 degree pipes; goggle; detomaso pantera grp4
If you're referring to the S7, Saleen based his 427 on a Ford engine, then heavily modified it to be better suited for the supercar. The engine is built in house by Saleen. It is indeed an OHV, or pushrod, design however.
@FGalaxie Your'e truly an idiot, the engine is a Ford not Cosworth in the Pantera. You must be a Shit-lay fan.It is really dumb to argue over car companies. One thing for sure is that Ferrari did those things without the need of your incompetent help.
About time they got that piece of crap truck engine out of the Pantera. American engines only make power due to their love for huge displacement. Anything will make power with 6+L lol. No manufacturer from any country can touch the naturally aspirated output per liter of Ferrari's engines.......stock or racing. Don't forget Ferrari's 2.4L F1 engines making over 800bhp now, and they are rev limited per the rules @19k rpm. Let's all watch the new US F1 team fall on their faces next year!
@lvferraripilot we should dump nitromethane in every Ferrari and rev them up and see how they enjoy the fuel American engines eat up I bet you couldn't even finish a drag in an enzo if you feed it nitro poof to week to stand that kind of power wear an American engine makes run after run Italian cars are week over priced money pits
@idontcare80 go to nelson racing engines he uses those parts in street purpose built big blocks and small blocks whole engines for less than turbo charging a Ferrari and nelson has N/A small blocks almost 700 Hp.again far cheaper than any European built equivalent what they lack in RPM they make up in torque even if they aren't factory they are available and extremely dependable
@sirlonghair 700 hp wooo!!! The Nelson engines are race engines, you can't just throw one into any car you want. If you want to compare racing engines compare a Nelson engine to a Ferrari FXX Evo, it makes 850 hp. Lamborghini and Ferrari also have engines that not only meet modern emissions control standards but also make 650 to 660 hp! So yes big V8s can be powerful, but there nothing special about them, they're just big cheap and common.
That would be impressive, if those engines could run longer than 14 seconds without bursting into flames, if those motors weren't based on a 1960s chrysler engine, if they used normal gasoline, if they wouldn't burn through every spark plug in one run.
In F1 engines have to last 2 racing weekends (about 1200 km), use normal Gasoline, and rev to 19 rpm. That's impressive.
lol lrn2 *you're*. grammar is important. Last time a checked, Chebby aka government motors needed a supercharger AND much larger displacement to make more bhp. There be some fiiiiine engenerrrring on that thar Chebby, Jeb. Get real
i didnt think this sounded like a 351c , still sounds good but i wouldnt say its the nicest sounding pantera,...the pantera 392w here on youtube sounds awsome! shit i`d take either one of em!
I didn't know that about the later cars, I thought all of them had a 351c. I mean foreign by anything not original to the design. And I'll stay on my high horse.
@lvferraripilot must be why the 0-100-0mph.world record is held buy an ultima GTR with a Chevy Ls3 and a 100.000 dollar ZR1 street car can chew the rear bumper of a thinly disguised full race car enzo 1,500,000 dollars 30 grand to change a clutch lol some people have no respect for money
I agree this video doesnt capture the sound of this car well at all. There is another video where it does sound better. But it still doesn't sound as nice as the stock motor. I'm sure if this beemer motor had a similar exhaust and tuned to a more stock setting it would sound much better. Way too buzzy of a sound that these "superior" european motors have.
yehp, this is bodinecc. AWESOME car.. he put an M60B40 in there 4.0litre V8.. If I remember correctly it has a lightweight flyheel, sport clutch. and a very nice management system, think it also has individual throttle bodies. nicely tuned. kickass sound ....
Sounds great with that BMW engine !! The american V8s may be easyer to tune with their big displacement but they don't "float my boat" at all. They just dont sound as good as european V8s :/
Put a pair of 180* headers on a built small block ford and it will sing like a Ferrari. Just do a youtube search for "GT40 spin", and you'll see what I mean.
Hey Bodi, can you help with some specs on the motor in this Pantera?? So, it isnt a BMW motor?? Also, where to find more info on this car?? Please. Thanks for your help.
Looks similar to an M1.
brapboys503 8 months ago
I believe this came standard with a 351-Cleveland.
StephenB58 11 months ago
"nicest" is a bold statement and also very wrong.
PijnigeR 11 months ago
That`s a bit like puttíng American V8 in a Ferrari. It`s just not cool. If you want mid-engined supercar with BMW engine, then why don`t you just by BMW M1?
MrXuffy 1 year ago
You sound like a teaparty spin doctor. sheesh.
Ameriacam companies had an unfair playing field and 2 major oil crisis.
Japanese have failed too dont forget.
Nisssan rescued by Renault.
Mazda by ford.
Mitsubishi have been rescued and passed around more than well... your mum.
Suziuki are being taken over by VW a little at a time.
We are coming back, Feels good, and youre still a sellout
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FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Unfair playing field? How's that? The Japanese were bombed back to the stone age during WW2, nothing like that happened to US industry. The difference between the US and the Japanese is the willingness of the Japanese to move forward, the big three just wanted to produced the same old crap that they always had.
The Japanese never required billions just to stay afloat.
Ford is producing some good stuff these days, but I don't think I could ever trust a Ford because of their reputation
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 You just don`t know what you`re talking about. Ever heard of UAW? Labor costs? Protectionism of the Japanese home market? ....and a LOT of other stuff... It`s just too long and complicated issue to start educating to you here and now, but you really have a lot to learn about the history of the auto industry.
MrXuffy 1 year ago
@MrXuffy What does any of that have to do with the kinds of cars the big three produced? They CHOSE to produce unreliable junk, they CHOSE not to advance, they CHOSE to fight progress. The US had the most successful auto industry in the world, there is no way in hell they weren't making enough money to advance their products right along side every other company in the world.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Do you know what is UAW? Do you have any idea of what kind of labor costs the big three had to deal with, and how they compared to their competitors labor costs?
They chose to do stupid things in 1970`s, but since then most of their problems were somehow related to how UAW was sucking their blood and how they had to fight the competition with their hands tied behind their back. They couldn`t even modenrnize factories because UAW thought they wouldn`t need that many workers then.
MrXuffy 1 year ago
@idontcare80 japanese laws virtually subsidize their auto industry
osp80 1 year ago
@osp80 And? What does that have to do with the way the AMERICAN auto industry operates?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 they flooded the american market with cars they already made (it wasn't like the genius japanese came out themwith suddenly) but wouldn't allow hardly any importation american cars.the japanese government's taxation on car over a certain mileage forces people to buy new cars or pay much higher taxes.it'd be like if japan sent millions of cheap playstations here but blocked importation of xboxs,what would MS be able to do.they basically price dumped their way into the american market
osp80 1 year ago
@osp80 The Japanese didn't flood shit, people BOUGHT Japanese cars because they excelled in all of the ways that they wanted a car to. The American big three didn't have ANY reliable or efficient cars in the late 70s, when Americans started to buy Japanese cars in large numbers. Nobody in Japan wanted American cars, they were/are too big, too inefficient (Japan pays more than us for fuel) and the Japanese pay higher taxes for larger engine displacements (American engines were/are huge).
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 No one could predict the oil embargo beforhands, and before that the Japanese really were tiny players in America. This all goes down to how much higher the standard of living was in America when compared to any other country in the world (back in 1960`s and times before that) - and how much cheaper gas was in America. People wanted big and powerful cars. Gas mileage wasn`t selling cars (in big numbers). American companies built cars in that world until it all changed overnight.
MrXuffy 1 year ago
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@MrXuffy I really don't care either way, the American big three built some of the worst junk you could buy for three decades (for whatever reason you want to believe) and I don't throw my money away on junk.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@MrXuffy Ditto what I wrote to FGalaxie.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Dont forget the japs have always kept tarrifs to protect their industry and manipulated their currency to help their car ndustry.
Also the us was so paranod about communism back then it gave the Japs carte blanche entry to American markets.
stabbed its own makers in the back.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie I really don't care either way, the American big three built some of the worst junk you could buy for three decades (for whatever reason you want to believe) and I don't throw my money away on junk.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 And i dont throw my money away on Gook Packs, with no style, soul, historym resale, classics.
Just a pastiche of American and Euro styling cues.
Im not a sell out to the European race.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Yeah well, I'm a function over form guy and if a transportation device doesn't provide me transportation, I don't buy it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Thats ok, when your country makes nothing anymore, then we will see.
Only the Jappers make quality i suppose? that couldnt be further from the truth.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Most of the Hondas I've owned were built in the US.
And no, within the past few years Ford has started to mingle with the German and Japanese brands on the quality and reliability lists. GM and Chrysler, however, still struggle to get any brands above the industry average.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 another thing is the myth of japanese superiority,when is the last time you saw a 83 starlet on the road or any old japanese tuck that's not rusted to death?you seem like an open minded individual so i won't waste further time
osp80 1 year ago
@osp80 My brother's girlfriend drives an '84 Civic with more than 180,000 miles on it everyday. The only thing it ever needed was to have the carb rebuilt. It also gets well 30 mpg in the city. I owned an '87 Civic for years (until some bitch in a minivan hit me a totaled it), it was flawlessly reliable, never got below 30 mpg and was faster than my friends Duster which was powered by a 318 V8! There are 5 Hondas and 3 Nissans in my family right now, all have been flawless, I could go on and on.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Corrections: *well over 30 mpg... *I had an '87 CRX, not CIvic. I drive a '91 Civic now.
idontcare80 1 year ago
it does sound awesome but it doesn't seem appropriate. i'd still pick the muscle grunt on this car.
mo28mabini 1 year ago
shut the hell up frenchie douchebag-you talk too much
turfguy87 1 year ago
shut the fuck up so we can listen to the car!
matrix500020 1 year ago 8
thinly disguised race cars that are hundreds of thousands of dollars more lets compair them to an scc areo or a mosler proton I can own a ZR-1 but you will NEVER own a zonda
sirlonghair 1 year ago
the ZR1 already has over 650Hp and passes emissions and makes much better gas mileage meaning it is more efficient that your OVER priced euro trash
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair The ZR1 has 638 hp and it uses a supercharger to make that power. The Enzo, the Apollo, the MC12, and the Zonda F all leave it in the dust BTW. It also gets the same mileage as most of those cars.
idontcare80 1 year ago
there are cars rolling in America that are far far cheaper faster quicker agile than any wear there are no rules in a street fight and if you bring a knife to a gunfight be prepared to bleed if the car was built before 1995 there are no emissions so yes Nelson racing engines are on the street running 2500Hp 2000ft.lbs.Tq. completely legal and Europe don't even have full race car to compare to cars that are street hear all for the price of a tune up and clutch change on a Lambo or Ferrari
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair You must have never completed elementary school because half of your comment is completely unintelligible. There are NO street legal production cars that can keep up with the Gumpert Apollo and the ZR1 can't keep up with more than a few European cars, including the Enzo. Hell the vast majority of the fastest production cars are European!
idontcare80 1 year ago
you asked what happens wen you remove the blower I showed you that 700Hp can still happen with an Ls3 common and more powerful GET OVER IT
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair And I told you that the Nelson engines don't meet any kind of emissions standards so you could NEVER run one in a ZR1 unless it was purely a race vehicle. The Ferrari and Lamborghini engines both meet modern emission standards AND make 650+ hp. GET OVER THAT.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 or you can build a kit car like an ultama GTR and drop a full built nelson racing engine in it and make world record 0-100-0MPH just like the guy who is driving that world record holding car right now a GTR so equipped will piss on anything
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair You can also build a Ultima GTR with a 1000 hp Lexus engine that will piss on any American V8 powered Ultima.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Why would you want a camry with extra cupholders engine?
have some pride ffs
Use a proper V8, American or Euro ones.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie I'd probably take the new Ford Coyote V8 over a Lexus V8, but everything else American is crude junk and I just don't really like European stuff because they always seem to have reliability problems. The Japanese make the best engines that I've ever seen, but they don't really make any large high performance engines.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Sorry you must not have seen much then.
The Japanese dont have any hisyory or classics (well maybe 1)
The list of classic American V8's is almost endless
They even had a turbo one in 62,
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie I couldn't care less about classics, I'm talking about performance. American engines couldn't come close to the performance of the Japanese engines for almost three decades. Now that the advance of engine technology is slowing down, the Americans have had a chance to catch up.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Once you get a bit older you will realise that being a stat geek is just that.
The Japs havent made anything they havent copied.
No soul. no history, no style. no classics. just a pastiche of American and Euro styling cues.
What sort of American are you? Should be ahamed of yourseld.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Once you get passed being a moron you'll realize that the American big three never did anything but produce junk to make a profit off of people who were dumb enough to buy their products (since the late 70s anyway).
Ever see anything like the MKIV Supra from the Americans or Europeans? Didn't think so. Ever seen anything like the CRX from the Europeans from the Americans? How about the Skyline? Or the RX-7? Or the Lancer Evolution? Or the Subaru STi? Didn't think so.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Oh and... Ever seen anything from the Americans or the Europeans that was reliable for under 30,000K? Didn't think so.
BTW, I'm ashamed to be an American. What kind of person are you to be proud of that?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Gawd, Auto history isnt your strongpoint is it?
Youre a tard
Who do yoiu think invented twin cams and variable valve timing? It sure wasnt the Japs, they just gave it marketble name and thats it.
Skyline? haha in a few years you see them clapped out with broken tail lights, 10 foot wings, cannon exhausts and stickers, driven by Lebanese and dorky Asian students.
All those rally cars were done before, the Stratos, the Audi Quattro, the Escort BDA, the Fiat 132.
RX7- oil drinkers
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Technology isn't your strong point is it? The Europeans came up with DOHC, but that sure as hell doesn't mean they designed every DOHC engine that was ever made. Lycoming came up with a VVT system for the R-7755, but that doesn't mean they designed every VVT system ever put into production. In fact, most VVT systems (by far) don't have ANY similarities to the Lycoming system.
I wasn't talking about the people who own Skylines, I was talking about the concept and the technology.
Cont.
idontcare80 1 year ago
You ignored the Supra. Only a Ford GT and a Gallardo have been able to outrun this Supra: watch?v=8xr58Fq9fwo
That means its faster than any Viper, Corvette, Camaro or whatever else you can name that's tried to beat it.
The NSX was also a hugely original design and with a V6 it outperformed the Corvette for more than a decade.
Take a look at the Mazda 787B, see anything that's similar? No.
The Japanese may have copied the Europeans at first, but they took off running on their own pretty quickly
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Why would I want to watch a video of the Lebo drug dealer staff car?
THEY ARE GOOK PACKS
NO STYLE, NO SOUL NO RESALE VALUE, WILL NOT BECOME CLASSICS OR HAVE ANY EFFECT ON AUTO HISTORY.
When H built the NSX, a car they made no money from, sold stuff all, and have no resale value, they copied Ferrari to such a detail it was incredible, Thats Japs, Not honor, no originality.
Marque, tradition, adding to the automotive history count.
Not being the most fully sickest .
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie No resale value? Are you joking? Japanese cars have had higher resale values that American cars for DECADES.
There were NO Ferraris in existence with a VTEC V6, or a aluminum chassis, that was all Honda.
If the Japanese didn't have any effect on the auto industry why do most of the cars today resemble (technologically) the Japanese cars that started being widely produced in the mid 80s?
Just about everything has a DOHC, transverse FWD layout. NOTHING today resembles the American....
idontcare80 1 year ago
...boats that were being produced in the 70s and 80s.
Rotary engines don't burn oil unless they have bad rotor seals, the JAPANESE perfected that technology, Germans didn't.
Performance counts. Tradition just keeps things stagnant.
Also, you're a prejudiced asshole and a dinosaur. Do the world a favor and die. Your precious classics will be just fine locked away in museums.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Remember Pearl Habor !
and the food taken out of western workers mouths by those hethen copiers.
Who have their markets protected, whilst we have to have ours open full slather.
Everyone wants whitegoods on wheels do they? Funny I seem to remember everyone wantng to return to rwd.
Toyleta have done it with Lexus, the jooden, brand.
FWD another thing the Japs didnt invent, Cord, Oldsmobile Toronado.
The Germans saw that rotaries have no torque, and dont last long.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Yup, I remember Pearl Harbor, I also remember the Alamo, but what relevance do those have to today?
RWD is great for cars that are meant to be fast, but the vast majority of people don't need or want cars that are fast, most people want cars that are safe, reliable, fuel efficient and practical. And hey, guess what. Those are all of the same things that Japanese cars had and that's why became so successful while the American companies failed. The British came up with the transverse...
idontcare80 1 year ago
...FWD system that we are used to seeing, the Japanese just applied it over a much wider range of designs. Nothing today uses a FWD system that is similar to what's in the Tornado.
The Japanese saw the potential of the rotary and won Le Mans with it, then rotary engines were banned to keep them from slaughtering everything and taking over.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Mazda and their egg beaters?
wow, another thing they copied from th Europeans, but at least the Germans were smart enough to see how much oil they slurp and the rotor tip wear and dont use it anymore.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
Sorry, does not sound half as good as the Ford 351 original.. it's not really a Pantera anymore
FetidToecheese 1 year ago 18
@FetidToecheese
Then you'd absolutely HATE me for a conversion of a 1974L shell using a 427 LS7 engine. Incidentally, I also have a 72 pre-L, which I'm keeping all Cleveland.
catman351 1 year ago
every used Ferrari for sale has 20,000 miles on it .Why? because that's wen they break and after paying to fix it the owner never wants to risk breaking it again then after looking at it taking up room for a couple years he wants to sell it just ask Jay Lenno he don't own one because he knows cars
sirlonghair 1 year ago
Yes, the BMW V8 sounds totally diferent to the USA V8's, diferent crank throw configuration...To hear sound & see pic of detomaso pantera grp4 breathing thru quad 48IDA Webers and exhausting thru factory 180 degree pipes; goggle; detomaso pantera grp4
tai530 2 years ago
Interesting that Saleen building his $450.000 supercar chose a Chevy pushrod motor...
tai530 2 years ago
If you're referring to the S7, Saleen based his 427 on a Ford engine, then heavily modified it to be better suited for the supercar. The engine is built in house by Saleen. It is indeed an OHV, or pushrod, design however.
bdrws6 2 years ago
such a bad driver. he press the clutch in the corners...
MrMorgan1o1 2 years ago
Ferrari? you've got to be kidding. Overpriced Italian trash, what a joke. I've got 3 words for you. Shelby Daytona Coupe.
yeager1313 2 years ago
I've got three words for you and they are all things that a Ferrari has that a Shelby Coupe doesn't. Luxury, refinement and class.
idontcare80 2 years ago
@yeager1313 Ferrari has won it all. And in house
Ford just write cheques and get Cosworth, AC or whomever to do it for them.
Takes so much enginnering prowess to add Ford valve covers on something.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@FGalaxie Your'e truly an idiot, the engine is a Ford not Cosworth in the Pantera. You must be a Shit-lay fan.It is really dumb to argue over car companies. One thing for sure is that Ferrari did those things without the need of your incompetent help.
abanks1959 1 year ago
@abanks1959 Maybe look at what topic I am talking about.
Might help.
The pantera used American and Australian made 351 Cleveland engines.
I was talking about some of Fords racing history.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@yeager1313 iv got words for you too.
FORD OUTSPENT FERRARI BY A SHITLOAD
AND FORD HAD A BIG CAPACITY ADVANTAGE, 7 LITRES V 4 LITRES.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
About time they got that piece of crap truck engine out of the Pantera. American engines only make power due to their love for huge displacement. Anything will make power with 6+L lol. No manufacturer from any country can touch the naturally aspirated output per liter of Ferrari's engines.......stock or racing. Don't forget Ferrari's 2.4L F1 engines making over 800bhp now, and they are rev limited per the rules @19k rpm. Let's all watch the new US F1 team fall on their faces next year!
lvferraripilot 2 years ago
@lvferraripilot
So what about American Top Fuel cars? An 8.1 L V8 Making 8000hp is a little more impressive I would say.
mitchtavio 2 years ago
Not a correct comparison as I don't see Ferrari racing in that venue.
lvferraripilot 2 years ago
@lvferraripilot we should dump nitromethane in every Ferrari and rev them up and see how they enjoy the fuel American engines eat up I bet you couldn't even finish a drag in an enzo if you feed it nitro poof to week to stand that kind of power wear an American engine makes run after run Italian cars are week over priced money pits
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair Top Fuel engines are purpose built race engines, they don't have any parts in common with street legal production V8s.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 go to nelson racing engines he uses those parts in street purpose built big blocks and small blocks whole engines for less than turbo charging a Ferrari and nelson has N/A small blocks almost 700 Hp.again far cheaper than any European built equivalent what they lack in RPM they make up in torque even if they aren't factory they are available and extremely dependable
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair 700 hp wooo!!! The Nelson engines are race engines, you can't just throw one into any car you want. If you want to compare racing engines compare a Nelson engine to a Ferrari FXX Evo, it makes 850 hp. Lamborghini and Ferrari also have engines that not only meet modern emissions control standards but also make 650 to 660 hp! So yes big V8s can be powerful, but there nothing special about them, they're just big cheap and common.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Fuck yeah they do, it still uses the original style HEMI Heads from the 50's, have pushrods and only one camshaft
k9forkids 1 year ago
@k9forkids Fuck yeah what? What comment are you replying to?
idontcare80 1 year ago
That would be impressive, if those engines could run longer than 14 seconds without bursting into flames, if those motors weren't based on a 1960s chrysler engine, if they used normal gasoline, if they wouldn't burn through every spark plug in one run.
In F1 engines have to last 2 racing weekends (about 1200 km), use normal Gasoline, and rev to 19 rpm. That's impressive.
Duiss 2 years ago
Open wheel race car and stock car racing is completely different my friend. No one is going to run a 7litre pushrod v8 in an F1 Your an idiot.
But hey Chevy makes a car that out runs you Ferraris at only a third of the cost, its called ZR1.
k9forkids 2 years ago
lol lrn2 *you're*. grammar is important. Last time a checked, Chebby aka government motors needed a supercharger AND much larger displacement to make more bhp. There be some fiiiiine engenerrrring on that thar Chebby, Jeb. Get real
lvferraripilot 2 years ago
thats because I'm German and english is my second language, so how many languages do you speak?
k9forkids 2 years ago
If you live in the USA. New Corvette (basic model) in Germany = 98 000 USD
Corvette ZR1 = 160 000 USD
And that's why almost no one drives them around here.
Duiss 2 years ago 2
@lvferraripilot Youre an idiot,
Why then have Ferrari, lamborghini, mercedes and BMW engines been getting BIGGER?
You need torque, no use having those whiny 3 litre V8's that Ferrari used to have.
They arent that quick and too highly strung.
Why are Ford and Ferrari fans arguing? Hate the Japs instead.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@lvferraripilot For a Yank, youre a bit of a sell out.
Ferraris have their faults.
But the American and Aus V8's are classics, and shite on a lot of Euro V8's for sound.
You harp on about capacity being bad.
Yet Ferrari and other Euro makers V8's and V12's have been getting steadily bigger.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
the BMW crap ruined that car and made a fagmobile.
indestructableforce 2 years ago
i love this!
one time me and my cousin were heading from the beach and it appeard in front of ous, we were chasing it like hell on our bikes :D
MaistroDavid 2 years ago
america now holds the fast street legal car on the road right now with the ultimate aero twin turbo from shelby 255.8 mph!!!
ROCKO633 2 years ago
i didnt think this sounded like a 351c , still sounds good but i wouldnt say its the nicest sounding pantera,...the pantera 392w here on youtube sounds awsome! shit i`d take either one of em!
ROCKO633 2 years ago
"superior" european motors. Hahaha...
Thats why Chevy is still setting world records with a push rod LS V8s...
Putting a foreign engine in a pantera is blasphemy.
My Grandad built a 351C that pumps out much more power than this junker, rated @ 1010 hp
WarCowboy 2 years ago
Foreign engine??
The Pantera was built by a man from Argentina, who by political reasons moved to Italy.
There he gathered some nice designers and other experts and built the Pantera.
Later cars from this brand has had BMW engines as original. So i don´t really get it how you mean when you say "foreign engine".
Please climb down from your high horses mr Warcowboy.
Thoberg 2 years ago
I didn't know that about the later cars, I thought all of them had a 351c. I mean foreign by anything not original to the design. And I'll stay on my high horse.
WarCowboy 2 years ago
WTF are you talking about? The LS engines haven't set ANY records.
idontcare80 2 years ago
@idontcare80
Highest revving production pushrod V8 anyone? LS7 @ 7000 rpm.
mitchtavio 2 years ago
Who cares? Also I'm pretty sure GM had a production V8 in '69 that went to 8,000 rpm.
idontcare80 2 years ago
@idontcare80 Just responding to your claim. Thought maybe you would care.
mitchtavio 2 years ago
Well it's kinda like claiming to have the fastest turtle at a turtle race lol.
idontcare80 2 years ago
ford has a big block that revved to 10500 rpm makike 657hp at 8500. enough said.
garrick20 1 year ago
@garrick20 Read the argument. 10,500 rpm is slow as hell. The Cammer was an awesome engine though.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Pushrods are 1940s technology.
lvferraripilot 2 years ago
that only shows how good the design is after that many years.
k9forkids 2 years ago
@lvferraripilot must be why the 0-100-0mph.world record is held buy an ultima GTR with a Chevy Ls3 and a 100.000 dollar ZR1 street car can chew the rear bumper of a thinly disguised full race car enzo 1,500,000 dollars 30 grand to change a clutch lol some people have no respect for money
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@sirlonghair Take the supercharger away from ZR1 and guess what happens. Some people have no respect for engineering prowess.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@lvferraripilot no youre very wrong.
Both ohc and ohv were invented in the early years of last century.
Both have their pros and cons.
The Americn and Australian V8's sound better anyway
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@mitchtavio nelson racing engines has a billet small block 400ci 9500rpm but I think it has areo heads 4v 2OHC
sirlonghair 1 year ago
@mitchtavio 7000 rpm is very common, nascar runs 10,000rpm for Hours
k9forkids 1 year ago
@k9forkids
Haha, and F1 is limited to 18.000......
ognirem 1 year ago
I agree this video doesnt capture the sound of this car well at all. There is another video where it does sound better. But it still doesn't sound as nice as the stock motor. I'm sure if this beemer motor had a similar exhaust and tuned to a more stock setting it would sound much better. Way too buzzy of a sound that these "superior" european motors have.
osteologation 2 years ago
yehp, this is bodinecc. AWESOME car.. he put an M60B40 in there 4.0litre V8.. If I remember correctly it has a lightweight flyheel, sport clutch. and a very nice management system, think it also has individual throttle bodies. nicely tuned. kickass sound ....
mozartsghost777 2 years ago
this sounds terrible.
nick302 2 years ago
Sounds great with that BMW engine !! The american V8s may be easyer to tune with their big displacement but they don't "float my boat" at all. They just dont sound as good as european V8s :/
MaffiaAlfista 2 years ago
Put a pair of 180* headers on a built small block ford and it will sing like a Ferrari. Just do a youtube search for "GT40 spin", and you'll see what I mean.
XR4turbo 2 years ago
where is the radiator on this car?
bittergrapeshape 2 years ago
@MaffiaAlfista The American and Australian V8's sound better, and you get torque down low in the rev range.
And im European
FGalaxie 1 year ago
@MaffiaAlfista The American V8's sound a lot better.
A menacing deepnes. Euro engines ust sound like worked 4 cylinders.
FGalaxie 1 year ago
I do believe this is the gentleman that transplanted a BMW V8 into this Pantera.
Just letting ya know.
midnightblue72 3 years ago
this car came with about 4 different engines.
the one they are refering to is a 351 clevland 5.7 liter with 250 h.p. (stock)
racer868 3 years ago
5 litres and only 250 bhp. wow. :P
TGseason10 3 years ago
Acctualy the comentators are incorrect......the car has a 4l engine with 300+hp (not dynod yet)
Bodinecc 3 years ago
Hey Bodi, can you help with some specs on the motor in this Pantera?? So, it isnt a BMW motor?? Also, where to find more info on this car?? Please. Thanks for your help.
surf403 2 years ago
about the beginning of production of these things american engines were strangled by strict emissions laws.
kiroc89 3 years ago