Karate is a lot weaker now than it used to be because it has become a "sport". But back then, it was crazy. It was a deadly all out fight. And to win, you really had to think everything out and have the mentality to withstand all the pains. There were many different moves and many different fighting styles even with in the same karate. There were those who would be experts at kin geri (kicks to the groin) for example. And you would literally have to think about protecting your balls
Fuji is a great karateka and a fighter. You have to give it to him for winning on the opponent's turf and rules. The opponent could have been killed if he fought with in karate rules at the time (no gloves, and basically anything was allowed. Attacks to the eyes and groin. punches, elbow to the head, etc,) Also karatekas train their fists so wearing gloves takes away the destruction their fists can make
@Pharcydeify He is not a Kyokushin Black belt. Kyokushin practitioners lose their rank after one year of quitting. He was never particularly skillfull, and was taught by a weak sensei as well. GSP does not represent Kyokushin at all, lol.
@Muraku666 who told you that shit. Kyokushin is a 1 time payment for lifetime membership. I've trained at an iko1 dojo and then returned to my original iko2 dojo after being away from there for 5 years and my grades are never questioned. Kyokushin membership is for life.
@Pharcydeify Machida studies Shotokan. That style is not even comparable to Kyokushin. The "rythm" you speak of is not applicable. There are many styles of karate, and they are all unique.
@Muraku666 Again..IN GENERAL!! GSP is a black belt in kyokushin and look at his first fight with Bj Penn and the loss to Serra. I am well aware that there are many forms of karate as there are many different types of fighter. I was just making an observation on how KARATE in general does against a faster pace!
@Pharcydeify if a karate fighter is smarter than you,pushing the pace only defeats you faster. so every karate fighter has the same style of fighting? There are defensive,offensive and counter fighters. Don't compare styles,being presumptuous never turns out well.
@everio17 Thats why I said in general...in all the fights that i have seen involving karate fighters against martial artists from other disciplines karate struggles with a faster pace! Just an observation.
@Pharcydeify i agree with you to some extent,karate fighters ESPECIALLY point karate,never compensate for different fighting methods. Which is strange because supposedly in karate your taught to respond well to alll situations not just another similar karate fighter.
I hate how ignorant people claim their style to be "the best".
I've seen good Muay Thai fighters being murdered by TKDka's, and opposite. I've seen Karateka's make crybabies of Boxers, and the other way around. I've even seen a BJJ blackbelt being raped by some random drunk in the streets. Why? It all comes down to who gives the most at the moment of truth, his limitations and how well he incorprates "his way". Style is just platform. How you use the platform and make it your own, is up to you.
@Ruben1994OL You are partially correct, much of the fighter's ability comes from pushing themselves, but part of the Kyokushin philosophy is to train heavily and encourage the fighter to constantly improve. It's true, nobody can force you to make the trip out to your dojo and do your daily training, but once you're there, an instructor trained by the Kyokushinkai will bring his talents forward. That is the Kyokushin way, we expect nothing less than 100% at all times.
@Ruben1994OL >> Muay Thai is dominant in all stance styles. And not anyone can be a fighter, but it's about personality not fighting style. when two top fighters of different schools meet thai boxer will usualy win, talking about stance.
Example - K1 Max All top 10 are muay thai fighers and Japanese wish that there's be a karate guys :)
@flyingkn33 According to Baukaw he cannot stand watching Muay Thai fighters. ? I am not sure what he meant by that exactly. He said it like there were something wrong with Muay Thai kicks. I can only recall 2 from Thailand who took the championship title.
@dokkiro whats wrong with thai kick only thing with thais is wrong that they not into technique that much they'll be standing in kick distance and bashing each other with their kick sometimes but those kicks are hardest, i dont get what you mean about buakaw ? he is an example of thai kick, thai fighter :) he was #4 in lumpinee ratings
flyingkn33 I think they are way too over rated for mma thesedays. Once a proficient wrestler gets any part of you.... But anyways I just don't think those kicks are any different maybe except for some added rotational speed.
@dokkiro Mirko Cro Cop wiped the floor with many proficient wrestlers and only had limited grappling knowledge.... Stuff a few takedowns and the grapplers game plan falls apart.
@aldridge1 Sure if you say so. I don't see any Muay Thai greats from Thailand competing in UFC. These Muay Thai kicks will overshoot and throw you off the balance momentarily and if takedown was allowed then game over. Baukaw said he cannot stand watching Muay Thai kicks. Do you know the reason why?
@dokkiro Thailands MT greats tend to be too small for most UFC weight catagories. And to be honest top level MT guys don't care for UFC and consider it to be low skill generalised fighting with neither great striking or great grappling. Thai's consider fighting at Lumpinee to far more prestigious and is their true goal. Not everyone thinks the UFC is to be all and end all.
But no, I don't know why Buakaw doesn't like watching MT kicks.
@aldridge1 I've heard that Cherokee Native Americans believe where they're is the center of the whole universe. What I don't like about Muay Thai is little kids on the rings. I don't like seeing little kids hurt.... I think I'm being a hypocrite.... Come to think about it I've seen Korean kids get serious hurt knocked out in Taekwondo matches despite of wearing all the safety gears.
@ThaiBettas Cost at a guess. Boxing shorts are far cheaper than a gi and far easier to move in. I bet wearing a heavy cotton outfit would be murder in Thailand's humidity.
and ,bas rutten train only 2 weeks in muay thai but before that he is blackbelt in kyokushin.and he won his first MT match by KO,which i believe using mostly kyokushin technique.
Judo works.. especially the "makikumi" throws where u throw your whole body weight onto your opponent when they go down. Fujihiha successfully used them against the Thai fighter so many times, negating his knees and weakening him everytime they go down together.
Jap fighter used MuayThai , it was not like karate. He may be first japanese guy who trained MuayThai, than calling kickboxing. They were disrespectful what they learned,it's ok but call kickboxing, unacceptable. If you learn from them you must perform the tradition strictly.
Sorry, pal. You are wrong. Fujihira, the Japanese fighter, had not learned any muay thai at that time. In fact, no Japanese had any chance to learn the Thai art yet. I can understand when you talk about tradition, but if you look further, for example, Carlos Gracie learned judo, yet he called his new art "jiu-jitsu". Likewise, there are many Americans who learned karate, taekwondo, etc, and they no longer perform the traditional way at all.
@legkicker01 Thank you for your reply. As I know, it was true and long time ago. They were distorted Muaythai to be kicking. BTW I once again to say thank you for your comment.
Pleasure to talk to you. This Fujihira guy eventually became one of the first Japanese muay thai fighters, and fought in Thailand several times, and never came back to kyokushin karate. I myself is training in muay thai now, though I am fairly an average guy, but I really love it. I want to see muay thai in the Olympics in near future. Thanks.
@legkicker01 Additinal information, the guy I mentioned to, was Osamu Noguchi
who was disgrace to Muaythai. In 1972 he was deported from Thailand within 24 hr. because he insulted Thai people's dignity , bulid up a kickboxing GYM in BKK . Even though his guys learned Muaythai, it'ok everyone can take a traing crouse. What i'm talking about is He changed Muaythai to be his own martrial art as kickboxing to make so many people misunderstood and confused.
I already know the Noguchi guy. Personally I don't like what he did other than coining the term "kickboxing." In reality, he did not really develop the sport in Japan. He and others had absolutely no idea how to establish a legitimate sport. Instead, they did the stupid carnival act. That's why the sport in Japan was just a fad though there were several great fighters.
Thanks, but to be honest, I have not really kept up with the current trend of the sport. I just train for the love of the sport and for my health reason.
Nah thats not Mas Oyama, The fight went on to long for it to be him. You could also tell because the ring was not littered with dead bulls. Damn I wish I was alive and old enough to have learned from him.
if kyokushin is superior then why most mma fighters concentrate more on muay thai when in comes to striking, maybe it's because in rules dictate who has the advantage, and in MMA rules muay thai practitioner have the advantage over kyukushin,
i want to see this two in a "street fight" i bet it'll have very different results
@jronia no style is superior its the fighter not the style. Muay Thai isn't even as prevalent in MMA as people make it seem like, boxing in MMA is much more important. How many ko's do u see via punches in MMA? course they train kickboxing but muay thai is not rly used all that much, you rarely see teep kicks or flying knees, its mostly boxing combinations with low kicks and sometimes a high kick nothing more. This doesn't prove anything tho, its all about the fighter not the style.
@yamaguchienforcer agree to that! It's all about the fighter and not the style. Plus in MMA you see fighters, who are supposing to know many different styles, they never use the techniques of the styles they know... And the reason is simple, its illegal to hit in pressure points, or with fingers. Cause if the could do that, every 4-5 matches they would have a dead fighter.. :/
Rawee vs. Kenji Kurosaki ,Put Lorlek vs Hikari Kenchew from IFBI ,Dieselnoi vs. Shogo Shimazu ,Dieselnoi vs. Rhee,Park Yong Soo vs Kaoklai Kaennorsing TKD vs Muay Thai K1 pt2 ,A very short in incomplete primer on HIGH LEVEL MT vs other stand up arts.
@xingxhifiqi you do the research.Look up the history of Lumpini or Radjadamnern stadium or any internationally respected organization utilizing full muay thai rules(not kickboxing).You will learn grasshopper.I dont have time to teach noobie noobs like you.
@MrThule I said 'world titles' not stadium titles. WMC heavyweight title has been held by Sam Greco, Andy Hug etc. By your reasoning taekwondo is better than muay thai because there aren't any muay thai fighters winning taekwondo tournies in korea. Muay Thai is awesome but no style is invincible.
@aldridge1 Wow, Aldridge.You really are a noob aren't you?WMC ,WBC Muay Thai titles,etc.. are virtually irrelevent in Muay Thai.Even being a K-1 kickboxing champ with give you more respect as a Muay Thai fighter.If you are under 150lbs ,the most prestigious titles in Muay Thai are Lumpini and Radjadamnern belts.It doesnt matter if you are thai or not.The highest accomplishment for any Muay Thai fighter under 150 lbs are these two belts .Very few of these fighters have Kyokoshin backgrounds.
@MrThule Also ,nobody made the asinine comment that Muay Thai is invincible.But it is has historically established itself as clearly superior to all traditional stand-up martial arts.The absolute predominance as the winning stand up style in MMA and Shooto events is one modern indicator of this.Is it the fighter more than the art?No.Take 10 soccer players new to the martial arts and teach them Wing chun,take ten and teach them Tae kwon do,take ten and teach them Muay Thai .Have the fight....
@MrThule under full Muay Thai rules (basically will encompass the allowable techniques of the other arts competition rules plus the more liberal rules of Muay Thai.Muay Thai will win almost all the fights.Just believe me.
@MrThule holy wall of text batman! cant really disagree with most of what you said. i understand the importance of the stadium titles and have sparred with a couple of lumpinee vets over the years. Muay thai is clearly a dominant consistantly effective style but traditional Muay Thai is as different from ring Muay Thai as trad. karate is from kickboxing or kung fu from sanda. difference is many many many more people train muay thai for the ring than traditional muay thai.
When the vast majority of ring fighters are training one style it would be silly if that style wasn't dominant. Cant say the same for other styles but kyokushin has had some success against muay thai. as for mma andrews nakahara, gsp, bas rutten, katsinori kikino etc credit kyokushin for their standup. funny thing is if you compare the punches of boxing muay thai and kyokushin or the kicks of muay thai and kyo the smilarities are easily seen. when done right it all starts to look like MT.
Boxing is as important as Muay Thai in MMA. Takedowns make the thai plum obsolete and kicking too often will put you on your arse. You need to work on your hands more in MMA. This footage is an example what you should do when you're in a clinch against a thai. Too bad they banned these judo throws/hip throws and other throws in MT lol.
Boxing is as important as Muay Thai in MMA. Takedowns make the thai plum obsolete and kicking too often will put you on your arse. You need to work on your hands more in MMA. This footage is an example what you should do when you're in a clinch against a thai. Too bad they banned these judo throws/hip throws and other throws in MT.
Bhah! K-1 fights do not prove that japaneese fighters are the best)))
If you compare Masato (who is currently the strongest japaneese muay thai fighter) with Buakaw Por Pramuk under the Muay Thai rules you see the greatness of Buakaw. His kicks are much more powerfull.
Muay thai is the only foreighn martial art which is practised in Japan. Kenji Kurosaki left kyokushin for Kickboxing(which is based on muay thai) after the Japaneese team came back home. Oyama introduced a lot of Muay Thai techniques into kyokushin.... Well, both styles are equally great and effective, but the Japaneese proved to be better fighters than the Thais... Thats about all...
The challenge was issued by Muay Thai to any Karateka to fight under Thai rules in Thailand. The result was 2-1 to Japan. Kyokushin guys fight everyone under everyones rules. They don't always win and they don't always lose, but they never claim it was unfair, fraud, propaganda etc. There is no shame in fighting and losing a fair fight, but there is shame in claiming it is 'bullshit' or 'propaganda' when you lose. Show some respect and accept the loss with some humility.
@aldridge1 I agree with you. Maybe the Gracies should learn about humility and about accepting defeat without crying, making excuses and being sore losers about it. Their students could learn that as well and realize that BJJ is not the be all end all. Every martial art has its own strengths and weaknesses...anybody with any common sense can see that.
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hey my ass about japanese martial art is better just fag bitch ass who learn kyokushin i mean gay 1 fight with full rules its all japanese faggi sensei scare for
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Sorry where is the thailand martial virtue maybe at their whores? Japan always a gloriuw country with unbelivable warriors.Now get pelasure with your humbles from Japanese karate its totally free
im a kyokushin karate practicioner and i do muay thai as well.
with respect to both art, i personally feel there is not distinguishable superiority between the two and it ultimately lies in the fighter,not the art, to show the true essence of martial art.
You are very wise and I am glad that there is a person who sees no need to find one art superior to another as a practitioner of both arts as well all I have to say is that it is all in the fighter.
Sir you are very wise and I am glad to see someone who understands that all arts are to respected. You do not know how long I have heard that muay thai is the best art in the world.
@sonofphiladelphia Gee...Let me think about this.One art prohibits the entire boxing and elbow repertoire to the head ,no clinching and locking with knees,no throw or trips in non professional competition the other one doesn't.I wonder which art will produce the more evolved technique combinations,tactics and strategies and ultimately the superior fighter?
@sonofphiladelphia very tru thats like how no one could break thru machidas karate defense and shogun found his weakness and used his muay thai to find distance and was succesful with leg kicks and ended up knockin him out the 2nd fight :)
@elBighead208 Shogun had Glaube Feitosa(karateka) in his camp helping for that fight. Some Kyo dojos have become too tournament oriented. Other dojos train for different rules and fight in many Muay Thai events but do not advertise that they are Kyokushin. In brazil Kyokushin put on K1 and MMA style Ichigeki events. Shinken Shobu rules (standard tournament rules with head shots and light gloves) is popular with many dojos. Kyokushin is wide and varied.
@aldridge1 yes good point. its good to know your enemy before you fight them and study. from what i've researched about this fight, i found out that mas oyama actually had a muay thai practitioner sparring with his karatekas to get them prepared for the fight. as for the thai fighters on the other hand, were just cocky and thought they would win automatically which is never an advantage in fighting. dont get me wrong tho, im not making an excuse for the MT fighters. the vid shows what happened
Same idiot still making stupid conclusion. When karate do not punch to the face in sport, he says they can take kicks and knees to the face; therefore karate is good for the street. But when Muay Thai fighters can knee, elbow, and kick the head real hard in their sport; he says when they take off their gloves, Muay Thai in the street is not real. Like he'll beat Yodsanklai's ass in the street with karate just because Yod takes off his gloves. Shut the fuck up! Seriously!
Let's all calm down a bit, shall we? Be reasonable. In today's martial arts world, most of it is geared towards the ring, either in sparring or competition. Obviously rules are in place to protect the players from getting maimed or killed, as well as prolonging matches for entertainment. Strikes to vitals such as eyes, throat and spine are NOT legal, and crippling attacks such as stomping the knee or breaking arms would be lunacy. Gloves and/or other equipment is necessary as well. -
In some systems, victory can be attained by knockouts OR points, which gears players to fast techniques to get the most points, even in such hard sports as boxing. Face it, if your heavy cannons can't create a knockout, the opponents faster but lighter strikes gets more points for a judge's decision. So, styles are altered to fit these criteria, and in the 'trophy' hunting schools, the maiming and killing techniques may be taught to keep the system complete, but certainly not practiced as much.
Oi mate your a fucking twat! How is it fake? It's what made Thailand win its battles hundreds of years ago. They wear gloves to protect their oponents, you can get muay thai barenuckle fights too. Search it on youtube I'm sure you'll find some videos to help you see that it is not fake at all!
That was history ,we are talking about the present. If that is the case than karate is way better because karate in its old form was meant to kill or cripple your opponent in one strike and it still exists today. Gloves protect the fighters hands and if you don't believe it hit somebody's head the hardest you can with your pinky knuckle and see what happens.
no.... gloves are meant to protect the fist. The fist joints aren't naturally meant to be a battering ram. The joints are moveable sockets that can be damaged really badly. You can get arthritis early if you don't use gloves. Trust me, mma gloves aren't more weaker then actual fists.
definetly, this IS NOT kyokushin vs muay thai, kind of a kickboxing style (the guy in the black trunks i mean) ... 4:49 wtf are those blows? do you still think THAT is kyokushin karate? i dont think so...
despite this, you cant judge the greatness of two different martial arts by just 3 fights, imagine what would happened if MT won just one more fight...
i still belive that MT have the most devastating power of all martial arts, let any of those kyo guys challenge Dekkers or Somsong
THE COMMENTS HERE SOUND IF THEY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS.....THEY ONLY FOUND OUT INFORMATION ON THE WEB....WHY DON´T YOU ALL START MOVING YOUR ASSES ...GO OUT AND PRACTICE....KYOKUSHIN OR MUAY THAI......BUT DON´T WASTE YOUR TIME SAYING THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN THAT....GO OUT AND PRACTICE.....
BY THE WAY...What's the name of the song at the 5:22 minute mark?
I train Kyokushin, i love it, i'm not conceded and i don't need to say that 1 or the other is better. I'm happy with training under Kyokushin, I find a lot of these other people have something to prove, that is why they diss other martial art styles. ,,\/. OSU!
More techniques open up your arsenal like it or not. First of all, we are talking about striking arts not mma. Karate > muay thai. Plus, bokator is your daddy.
Yes bokator most likely started Muay Thai. There were bando and other arts in SE Asia. Judo started BJJ. Doesn't mean BJJ didn't perfect certain things over Judo. Muay Boran is obsolete not because it was ineffective. It's obsolete because modern crime attacks in Thailand involve guns. So having a sword is not too useful just like the karate Sai in modern warfare. Muay Thai and boxing still offers the best in the striking. All the other range involve other arts, not karate.
You are wrong about bjj. Bjj perfected techniques and has created more. Just ask Eddie Bravo and the Gracies. I agree you with you that boxing and muay thai offer "some" of the best striking in the "ring". I doubt that, but it is not the ultimate best and its proven it depends on how you use it. Bare knuckle fighting is another story, and you better not compare bare knuckle fighting to boxing.
If you show me you can use a lot of hand techniques to trap a boxer's hands in a boxing gym, then I'll give you the argument. Or go to a Thai gym and block their kicks with a lot of techniques. In striking, you don't have as much time to think. It's built on combination of solid basic techniques not a lot of different crazy shit. In grappling, you can use more time for techniques, but even so, you notice certain ones work better than the more exotic ones. I train with Russian wrestlers.
What do classes, books and black belts have to do with Muay Thai. You don't believe a karateka can trap a punch? It's much easier if a boxer is wearing a glove, much much easier. Like I said before, the bigger your arsenal is the more options you got.
That's right, books, black belts, classes have nothing to do with Muay Thai, but it has everything to do with you. We have an instructor in the UK, Bob Spour who was Special Forces and started his Martial Arts career with karate. Guess what gym he runs now? Phraya Pichai Muay Thai Camp. Bob has way more combat experience in the elite special ops group than you ever will and he believes in Muay Thai for real life self defense. So don't bullshit me about how it's all sport and would not work.
Have you been to Cuba, they have one of the best beaches in the world. Now, look at the rest of the country, its shit. Muay Thai is the sport form of Muay Boran first of all and the system with weapons is known as Krabi Krabong. They went together, but they are different and very few people still know Muay Boran or Krabi Krabong.
Muay Thai is not invincible, but it and Western boxing seems to be the most effective stand up. Little guys beat up stronger opponents with it and every time another art tries to fight it, they seem to end up using Muay Thai and boxing techniques that were not part of their arsenal before their encounter with Muay Thai. Japan recruited many legendary Thai boxers as teachers.
Western boxing is the most effective stand up art if against styles that only use fists. By the way Muay Thai fighters had to learn western boxing. Also, Muay Thai didn't invent knee strikes or elbow strikes, so everytime somebody use a knee strike its not always Muay Thai.
There are tons of Muay Thai gyms in Japan today. Very few karate gyms in Thailand, mostly occupied by affluent kids who are afraid to spar with the poor Thai boxers who will hit in the face. Every time someone talks about Karate vs. MT, the Karate guys have to dig all the way back to 1964. Even then it was a result of Karate guys learning MT techniques. MMA today uses more MT than Karate techniques. So think about it.
You are a retard. You say that today in mma more mt techniques are used than karate. I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean elbows, knees, kicks and punches. Karate has all of that and has more. Muay Thai is more of a sport than a martial art and you know it. You also say that there are tons of muay thai gyms in Japan and few in thailand. Ofcourse, thailand is a third world country they can't build shit in there. But, there is 50,000 karate gyms than there is muay thai in this world.
The fact that you have to rely on name calling to make your point just shows that you have no point to make. Yes karate has all those techniques, but if you observed anything we observed in Asia, you would know that it didn't start to look pretty much like Muay Thai techniques until they stepped in the ring and realized they had to adopt a certain way of delivering it. But I'm just a retard who can't build shit, so believe what you will. You're the expert. We have nothing to teach.
It's just to show an example that Muay Thai has nothing. You say that karate started to look like Muay Thai till they stepped in the ring, ofcourse you are an idiot. Karate was never supposed to be a ring sport like Muay Thai. Your argument is bullshit. It's like saying that if a taekwondo guy uses shorts and gloves, he is now copying Muay Thai. You are also a retard. You said karatekas had to adopt a certain way of delivering strikes, ofcourse they had too.
When you wear gloves the whole technique changes and you have to find different techniques. Plus, karate has way more techniques than Muay Thai by far.
More techniques doesn't mean it is more effective in getting a job done. If the job is taking you down, having solid wrestling basics will get you the top position over tons of karate techniques. If the job is to dominate in the clinch, then it's knowing the Muay Thai clinch and basic Greco with knees and elbows. If the job is the guard, then it's BJJ, if KO with hands then boxing. Kicks - MT. 10,000 karate techniques will get you confused! Muay Boran has all that shit too- but not used.
You also say the karate guys have to dig back to 1964 that's a stupid argument. Muay Thai guys get their ass kicked all the time by taekwondo, sanda, karate and kickboxing guys. The most recent I remember in mma is lyoto machida vs thiago silva. What you got to say about that? I respect Muay Thai and I think its great, but its not the ultimate or best style. It all depends on the person. So, don't think Muay Thai is invincible because its not.
very few muay thai guys lose to tkd, sanda, karate guys. yes it does happen and i bet those guys can't wait to post it on youtube. but if you really know your techniques, you notice most of those sanda and karate guys who do well use boxing and muay thai techniques against muay thai, some with throws added. as far as mma, those guys use everything, it's hard to say they are pure karate vs pure muay thai or whatever.
You say very few Muay Thai guys lose to tkd, sanda, and karate guys! I can find you about 50 videos right now where a muay thai guy loses. You also say that sanda and karate guys use muay thai!!! Sanda and karate are older than Muay Thai. Throwing is a part of sanda, not muay thai. Though, you are right sanda and karate guys do use western boxing just as muay fighters do.
What a fuckin idiot you are. Kung fu is older but not the ring form of Sanda as fought today. Yes Muay Thai use Western Boxing. If you look at foot angle, Muay Thai knees are delivered different. Karate has more restrictive rules than Muay Thai in competition, but when it's convenient you say it's for the streets. Then you discount Muay Boran, Pahuyuth, and Chaiyuth as Muay Thai. Fuckin' American kid who knows it all from reading!
First of all Muay Boran and all that shit is obsolete, its only kept alive by a few people. My bad for saying sanda, I should have said san shou. Does that make you feel any better? Also you say karate has more restrictive rules than Muay Thai. Like I said before, it depends on the type of karate. To say karate is restrictive is very broad, its just like kung fu. There like 200 kung fu styles: Wushu, wing chun, san shou/sanda, forms of shaolin, etcet.
This Video is piece of crap a Great insult to us Martial Artist FUCK!!!
Kyle17sb 1 week ago
Crap video. There are videos recorded in the 40's that are 100 times better.
Andhaira 1 week ago
The caption pauses in this video are so annoying. Is there a version that runs through without all the stops?
eminorse7en 1 month ago
Get the real story! Google THE BELT IS IN THE RING. MUAY THAI
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Karate is a lot weaker now than it used to be because it has become a "sport". But back then, it was crazy. It was a deadly all out fight. And to win, you really had to think everything out and have the mentality to withstand all the pains. There were many different moves and many different fighting styles even with in the same karate. There were those who would be experts at kin geri (kicks to the groin) for example. And you would literally have to think about protecting your balls
windsadazen 1 month ago
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windsadazen 1 month ago
Fuji is a great karateka and a fighter. You have to give it to him for winning on the opponent's turf and rules. The opponent could have been killed if he fought with in karate rules at the time (no gloves, and basically anything was allowed. Attacks to the eyes and groin. punches, elbow to the head, etc,) Also karatekas train their fists so wearing gloves takes away the destruction their fists can make
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windsadazen 1 month ago
man, i've been watching these black and white film fights. I LOVE IT!
kenseisato1989 2 months ago
fuck you and your awful video !!!
Stewiehleba 2 months ago
In any martial arts, it is not simply about who is a better fighter. In Karate, it is the way of life.
"The true essence of karate-do is integrated training of body, mind and spirit to achieve human potential." T.Nakamura
kenneyquek 2 months ago
Fucking pauses in the video
Sevv9220 4 months ago 2
@Pharcydeify He is not a Kyokushin Black belt. Kyokushin practitioners lose their rank after one year of quitting. He was never particularly skillfull, and was taught by a weak sensei as well. GSP does not represent Kyokushin at all, lol.
Muraku666 4 months ago
@Muraku666 who told you that shit. Kyokushin is a 1 time payment for lifetime membership. I've trained at an iko1 dojo and then returned to my original iko2 dojo after being away from there for 5 years and my grades are never questioned. Kyokushin membership is for life.
aldridge1 3 months ago
@Pharcydeify Machida studies Shotokan. That style is not even comparable to Kyokushin. The "rythm" you speak of is not applicable. There are many styles of karate, and they are all unique.
Muraku666 4 months ago
@Muraku666 Again..IN GENERAL!! GSP is a black belt in kyokushin and look at his first fight with Bj Penn and the loss to Serra. I am well aware that there are many forms of karate as there are many different types of fighter. I was just making an observation on how KARATE in general does against a faster pace!
Pharcydeify 4 months ago
KYOKUSHIN is the way !!! OSU !!!
momo200090 4 months ago
Thanks for the great vid! Very hard to find nowadays!
yuv06 4 months ago
HO
xroiet 4 months ago
best way to beat karate in general...push the pace! upset the rhythm..just look at Shogun v Machida!
Pharcydeify 5 months ago
@Pharcydeify if a karate fighter is smarter than you,pushing the pace only defeats you faster. so every karate fighter has the same style of fighting? There are defensive,offensive and counter fighters. Don't compare styles,being presumptuous never turns out well.
everio17 4 months ago
@everio17 Thats why I said in general...in all the fights that i have seen involving karate fighters against martial artists from other disciplines karate struggles with a faster pace! Just an observation.
Pharcydeify 4 months ago
@Pharcydeify i agree with you to some extent,karate fighters ESPECIALLY point karate,never compensate for different fighting methods. Which is strange because supposedly in karate your taught to respond well to alll situations not just another similar karate fighter.
everio17 4 months ago
for my research
15 million kyukushin,how many champions.
10,100,1000?
why you take kyukushin? bull killing?
thanks
yimmiytube 5 months ago
I hate how ignorant people claim their style to be "the best".
I've seen good Muay Thai fighters being murdered by TKDka's, and opposite. I've seen Karateka's make crybabies of Boxers, and the other way around. I've even seen a BJJ blackbelt being raped by some random drunk in the streets. Why? It all comes down to who gives the most at the moment of truth, his limitations and how well he incorprates "his way". Style is just platform. How you use the platform and make it your own, is up to you.
Ruben1994OL 5 months ago 22
@Ruben1994OL Thank You!
Pharcydeify 5 months ago
@Ruben1994OL --- i agree, the "greatest mma/BJJ family trashed so many many times by a pro wrestler Sakuraba...
po3jet 4 months ago
@Ruben1994OL You are partially correct, much of the fighter's ability comes from pushing themselves, but part of the Kyokushin philosophy is to train heavily and encourage the fighter to constantly improve. It's true, nobody can force you to make the trip out to your dojo and do your daily training, but once you're there, an instructor trained by the Kyokushinkai will bring his talents forward. That is the Kyokushin way, we expect nothing less than 100% at all times.
MCWaterman 2 months ago
@Ruben1994OL Well said bro
Arealmartialartist1 2 months ago
@Ruben1994OL >> Muay Thai is dominant in all stance styles. And not anyone can be a fighter, but it's about personality not fighting style. when two top fighters of different schools meet thai boxer will usualy win, talking about stance.
Example - K1 Max All top 10 are muay thai fighers and Japanese wish that there's be a karate guys :)
flyingkn33 1 month ago
@flyingkn33 According to Baukaw he cannot stand watching Muay Thai fighters. ? I am not sure what he meant by that exactly. He said it like there were something wrong with Muay Thai kicks. I can only recall 2 from Thailand who took the championship title.
dokkiro 1 month ago
@dokkiro whats wrong with thai kick only thing with thais is wrong that they not into technique that much they'll be standing in kick distance and bashing each other with their kick sometimes but those kicks are hardest, i dont get what you mean about buakaw ? he is an example of thai kick, thai fighter :) he was #4 in lumpinee ratings
flyingkn33 2 weeks ago
flyingkn33 I think they are way too over rated for mma thesedays. Once a proficient wrestler gets any part of you.... But anyways I just don't think those kicks are any different maybe except for some added rotational speed.
dokkiro 2 weeks ago
@dokkiro Mirko Cro Cop wiped the floor with many proficient wrestlers and only had limited grappling knowledge.... Stuff a few takedowns and the grapplers game plan falls apart.
aldridge1 1 week ago
@aldridge1 Sure if you say so. I don't see any Muay Thai greats from Thailand competing in UFC. These Muay Thai kicks will overshoot and throw you off the balance momentarily and if takedown was allowed then game over. Baukaw said he cannot stand watching Muay Thai kicks. Do you know the reason why?
dokkiro 1 week ago
@dokkiro Thailands MT greats tend to be too small for most UFC weight catagories. And to be honest top level MT guys don't care for UFC and consider it to be low skill generalised fighting with neither great striking or great grappling. Thai's consider fighting at Lumpinee to far more prestigious and is their true goal. Not everyone thinks the UFC is to be all and end all.
But no, I don't know why Buakaw doesn't like watching MT kicks.
aldridge1 6 days ago
@aldridge1 I've heard that Cherokee Native Americans believe where they're is the center of the whole universe. What I don't like about Muay Thai is little kids on the rings. I don't like seeing little kids hurt.... I think I'm being a hypocrite.... Come to think about it I've seen Korean kids get serious hurt knocked out in Taekwondo matches despite of wearing all the safety gears.
dokkiro 5 days ago
Anything to help out the lies of tkdont,truth hurts i know but you need to deal with it & move on..
Johnny4Lovv 1 month ago
@ThaiBettas Cost at a guess. Boxing shorts are far cheaper than a gi and far easier to move in. I bet wearing a heavy cotton outfit would be murder in Thailand's humidity.
psychedashell 5 months ago
and ,bas rutten train only 2 weeks in muay thai but before that he is blackbelt in kyokushin.and he won his first MT match by KO,which i believe using mostly kyokushin technique.
khairuleven 9 months ago
i think if sosai oyama train any fighter he would win.
khairuleven 9 months ago
THE KARATE IS BLACK , THE MUAY THAI IS WHITE.
SuperTAOLAO 9 months ago
I believe the karate guy was in the red trunks and the Muay Thai fighter was in the white trunks
7eyedviper 11 months ago
@7eyedviper it's black and white... how do you tell it's red? or then I missed something.
KukuMT 11 months ago
who won and who`s the karate guy and who`s muaythai guy ?
iorel1982 1 year ago
its awesome to see this kind of stuff way before k-1
vespaman101 1 year ago
Judo works.. especially the "makikumi" throws where u throw your whole body weight onto your opponent when they go down. Fujihiha successfully used them against the Thai fighter so many times, negating his knees and weakening him everytime they go down together.
crane76 1 year ago 2
who won?
mfuji02 1 year ago
Ok, I see.
muayThaione 1 year ago
How much do they charge for training?
muayThaione 1 year ago
Jap fighter used MuayThai , it was not like karate. He may be first japanese guy who trained MuayThai, than calling kickboxing. They were disrespectful what they learned,it's ok but call kickboxing, unacceptable. If you learn from them you must perform the tradition strictly.
muayThaione 1 year ago
@muayThaione
Sorry, pal. You are wrong. Fujihira, the Japanese fighter, had not learned any muay thai at that time. In fact, no Japanese had any chance to learn the Thai art yet. I can understand when you talk about tradition, but if you look further, for example, Carlos Gracie learned judo, yet he called his new art "jiu-jitsu". Likewise, there are many Americans who learned karate, taekwondo, etc, and they no longer perform the traditional way at all.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Thank you for your reply. As I know, it was true and long time ago. They were distorted Muaythai to be kicking. BTW I once again to say thank you for your comment.
muayThaione 1 year ago
@muayThaione
Pleasure to talk to you. This Fujihira guy eventually became one of the first Japanese muay thai fighters, and fought in Thailand several times, and never came back to kyokushin karate. I myself is training in muay thai now, though I am fairly an average guy, but I really love it. I want to see muay thai in the Olympics in near future. Thanks.
legkicker01 1 year ago
Dear legkicker01, Nice to chat with you and thank you for your information. Where are you training now?.
muayThaione 1 year ago
@muayThaione
I train right here in Japan.
legkicker01 1 year ago
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@legkicker01 Additinal information, the guy I mentioned to, was Osamu Noguchi
who was disgrace to Muaythai. In 1972 he was deported from Thailand within 24 hr. because he insulted Thai people's dignity , bulid up a kickboxing GYM in BKK . Even though his guys learned Muaythai, it'ok everyone can take a traing crouse. What i'm talking about is He changed Muaythai to be his own martrial art as kickboxing to make so many people misunderstood and confused.
muayThaione 1 year ago
@muayThaione
I already know the Noguchi guy. Personally I don't like what he did other than coining the term "kickboxing." In reality, he did not really develop the sport in Japan. He and others had absolutely no idea how to establish a legitimate sport. Instead, they did the stupid carnival act. That's why the sport in Japan was just a fad though there were several great fighters.
legkicker01 1 year ago
@legkicker01 Thank you again, if you have any information, so that we can exchange these. I'll do it also.
muayThaione 1 year ago
@muayThaione
Thanks, but to be honest, I have not really kept up with the current trend of the sport. I just train for the love of the sport and for my health reason.
legkicker01 1 year ago
Was that MAS OYAMA?..then the Thai must be "King Cobra" (his nickname). I remember reading in an article about this bout when I was a teen then...
tenwords1 1 year ago
@tenwords1
Nah thats not Mas Oyama, The fight went on to long for it to be him. You could also tell because the ring was not littered with dead bulls. Damn I wish I was alive and old enough to have learned from him.
7eyedviper 11 months ago 9
if kyokushin is superior then why most mma fighters concentrate more on muay thai when in comes to striking, maybe it's because in rules dictate who has the advantage, and in MMA rules muay thai practitioner have the advantage over kyukushin,
i want to see this two in a "street fight" i bet it'll have very different results
jronia 1 year ago
@jronia no style is superior its the fighter not the style. Muay Thai isn't even as prevalent in MMA as people make it seem like, boxing in MMA is much more important. How many ko's do u see via punches in MMA? course they train kickboxing but muay thai is not rly used all that much, you rarely see teep kicks or flying knees, its mostly boxing combinations with low kicks and sometimes a high kick nothing more. This doesn't prove anything tho, its all about the fighter not the style.
yamaguchienforcer 1 year ago
@yamaguchienforcer agree to that! It's all about the fighter and not the style. Plus in MMA you see fighters, who are supposing to know many different styles, they never use the techniques of the styles they know... And the reason is simple, its illegal to hit in pressure points, or with fingers. Cause if the could do that, every 4-5 matches they would have a dead fighter.. :/
Antonaros667 1 year ago
@yamaguchienforcer watch anderson silva against rich franklin
DelloLFC 1 year ago
why does it pause every 3 seconds with writing? i wanna see a fight not a script
KyokushinTruth 1 year ago
Kyokushinkai much much better than Muay Thai!
kamiral 1 year ago
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mb0slice 1 year ago
Rawee vs. Kenji Kurosaki ,Put Lorlek vs Hikari Kenchew from IFBI ,Dieselnoi vs. Shogo Shimazu ,Dieselnoi vs. Rhee,Park Yong Soo vs Kaoklai Kaennorsing TKD vs Muay Thai K1 pt2 ,A very short in incomplete primer on HIGH LEVEL MT vs other stand up arts.
MrThule 1 year ago
i ve been practisin muay thai for 10 years and karate shotokan for 1 month , karate kicks the shit out os any muay thai fighter
jvko3 1 year ago
@jvko3 you are an idiot .be quiet.you are not to be heard.
MrThule 1 year ago
Mrthule show the history put some reference years fight rules.. cause i think thats not correct or ur making it up ...
xingxhifiqi 1 year ago
@xingxhifiqi you do the research.Look up the history of Lumpini or Radjadamnern stadium or any internationally respected organization utilizing full muay thai rules(not kickboxing).You will learn grasshopper.I dont have time to teach noobie noobs like you.
MrThule 1 year ago
Look at the entire history of Kyokoshin fighters vs top ranked Thais.Kyokoshin wins less than 1 in 10 matches.The history is there.Research it.
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule Yet many Muay Thai world champs have come from a Kyo background...
aldridge1 1 year ago
@aldridge1 No.In K-1 maybe a few.World champions in full rules muay thai or lumpini or radjadamnern stadium champs,almost none.
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule Fujihara was an exception.
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule I said 'world titles' not stadium titles. WMC heavyweight title has been held by Sam Greco, Andy Hug etc. By your reasoning taekwondo is better than muay thai because there aren't any muay thai fighters winning taekwondo tournies in korea. Muay Thai is awesome but no style is invincible.
aldridge1 1 year ago
@aldridge1 Wow, Aldridge.You really are a noob aren't you?WMC ,WBC Muay Thai titles,etc.. are virtually irrelevent in Muay Thai.Even being a K-1 kickboxing champ with give you more respect as a Muay Thai fighter.If you are under 150lbs ,the most prestigious titles in Muay Thai are Lumpini and Radjadamnern belts.It doesnt matter if you are thai or not.The highest accomplishment for any Muay Thai fighter under 150 lbs are these two belts .Very few of these fighters have Kyokoshin backgrounds.
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule Also ,nobody made the asinine comment that Muay Thai is invincible.But it is has historically established itself as clearly superior to all traditional stand-up martial arts.The absolute predominance as the winning stand up style in MMA and Shooto events is one modern indicator of this.Is it the fighter more than the art?No.Take 10 soccer players new to the martial arts and teach them Wing chun,take ten and teach them Tae kwon do,take ten and teach them Muay Thai .Have the fight....
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule under full Muay Thai rules (basically will encompass the allowable techniques of the other arts competition rules plus the more liberal rules of Muay Thai.Muay Thai will win almost all the fights.Just believe me.
MrThule 1 year ago
@MrThule holy wall of text batman! cant really disagree with most of what you said. i understand the importance of the stadium titles and have sparred with a couple of lumpinee vets over the years. Muay thai is clearly a dominant consistantly effective style but traditional Muay Thai is as different from ring Muay Thai as trad. karate is from kickboxing or kung fu from sanda. difference is many many many more people train muay thai for the ring than traditional muay thai.
aldridge1 1 year ago
When the vast majority of ring fighters are training one style it would be silly if that style wasn't dominant. Cant say the same for other styles but kyokushin has had some success against muay thai. as for mma andrews nakahara, gsp, bas rutten, katsinori kikino etc credit kyokushin for their standup. funny thing is if you compare the punches of boxing muay thai and kyokushin or the kicks of muay thai and kyo the smilarities are easily seen. when done right it all starts to look like MT.
aldridge1 1 year ago
@aldridge1 Its all good man.Good discussion.Sorry for the name calling.
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@MrThule
Boxing is as important as Muay Thai in MMA. Takedowns make the thai plum obsolete and kicking too often will put you on your arse. You need to work on your hands more in MMA. This footage is an example what you should do when you're in a clinch against a thai. Too bad they banned these judo throws/hip throws and other throws in MT lol.
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@MrThule
Boxing is as important as Muay Thai in MMA. Takedowns make the thai plum obsolete and kicking too often will put you on your arse. You need to work on your hands more in MMA. This footage is an example what you should do when you're in a clinch against a thai. Too bad they banned these judo throws/hip throws and other throws in MT.
Ilovemanchego 1 year ago
1964 LOL THAT HIPPIE YEAR MAN
PEACE AND LOVE and weed
likeberly 1 year ago
i like muay thai. their elbow very power also their feet.
awangs610 1 year ago
damn thats like kumite wheres frank dux son he needs to perform the dim mak and break the bottom brick
Frequent2001 1 year ago
I respect all MA
TorontoBJJTeam 1 year ago
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TAC412 1 year ago 3
MUAY THAI! YAY!
SinclairCeltics1990 2 years ago 5
@SinclairCeltics1990 in case you didnt notice the karateka won this fight.
heavyironmusic 8 months ago
Japaneese?
Bhah! K-1 fights do not prove that japaneese fighters are the best)))
If you compare Masato (who is currently the strongest japaneese muay thai fighter) with Buakaw Por Pramuk under the Muay Thai rules you see the greatness of Buakaw. His kicks are much more powerfull.
InSenser 2 years ago 3
I mean in 1964 the particular fighters of kyokushin were better than those of muay thai
Nevermindcsy64 2 years ago
msaato is a kickboxer not thai
djsimo149 2 years ago
Muay thai is the only foreighn martial art which is practised in Japan. Kenji Kurosaki left kyokushin for Kickboxing(which is based on muay thai) after the Japaneese team came back home. Oyama introduced a lot of Muay Thai techniques into kyokushin.... Well, both styles are equally great and effective, but the Japaneese proved to be better fighters than the Thais... Thats about all...
Nevermindcsy64 2 years ago 2
pure Japanese propaganda!!
all B.S.!!
nosmokingbaby 2 years ago
The challenge was issued by Muay Thai to any Karateka to fight under Thai rules in Thailand. The result was 2-1 to Japan. Kyokushin guys fight everyone under everyones rules. They don't always win and they don't always lose, but they never claim it was unfair, fraud, propaganda etc. There is no shame in fighting and losing a fair fight, but there is shame in claiming it is 'bullshit' or 'propaganda' when you lose. Show some respect and accept the loss with some humility.
aldridge1 2 years ago 19
@aldridge1 I agree with you. Maybe the Gracies should learn about humility and about accepting defeat without crying, making excuses and being sore losers about it. Their students could learn that as well and realize that BJJ is not the be all end all. Every martial art has its own strengths and weaknesses...anybody with any common sense can see that.
getlayandpray 6 months ago 2
@aldridge1 yeah i know that story two karate guys won and 1 muay thia guy won.. great styles i love them both...
celticjordan1 4 months ago
" The thai boxer is blessed with venom in every limb."
Plato86 2 years ago
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Japanese martial arts always far better
EVDIMOS 2 years ago
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hey my ass about japanese martial art is better just fag bitch ass who learn kyokushin i mean gay 1 fight with full rules its all japanese faggi sensei scare for
thatsanai 2 years ago
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Sorry where is the thailand martial virtue maybe at their whores? Japan always a gloriuw country with unbelivable warriors.Now get pelasure with your humbles from Japanese karate its totally free
EVDIMOS 2 years ago
God someone seriously needs to edit out all the freeze frames in this video... it is unwatchable.
KrishanuAR 2 years ago 3
agreed
chuguiting 2 years ago 3
Sensei Fujihira is Great!
I've been guest in his house, i'm friend of his son, few years ago in tokyo, where he owns a restoraunt in sugamo
sicilianbushi 2 years ago
im a kyokushin karate practicioner and i do muay thai as well.
with respect to both art, i personally feel there is not distinguishable superiority between the two and it ultimately lies in the fighter,not the art, to show the true essence of martial art.
sonofphiladelphia 2 years ago 58
u mean between the two or in any art? because obviously some arts i.e. taekwondo are inpractical and will get u beat up
kyle1172 2 years ago 2
You are very wise and I am glad that there is a person who sees no need to find one art superior to another as a practitioner of both arts as well all I have to say is that it is all in the fighter.
wushustuntman 2 years ago
Sir you are very wise and I am glad to see someone who understands that all arts are to respected. You do not know how long I have heard that muay thai is the best art in the world.
wushustuntman 2 years ago 4
@sonofphiladelphia
bla bla bla
muay thai=punching in the head,elbows,head
kyokushin=no
what you train you will do
No3225 1 year ago
@No3225 In a Turnament they dont punsh to the Head, ellbows to the Body are allowed.
Winterheart999 1 year ago
@Winterheart999
in a turnament and on traning they dont punchin the head =shit
elbows to the body?!
lol show me someone that uses that
No3225 1 year ago
@No3225
We train punching to the Head to, with flat Hands and Boxing cloves.
Russian and polnisch fighter use elbows, we do it to
Winterheart999 1 year ago
@Winterheart999
that is not Kyokushin then
it is better but it is not Kyokushin
No3225 1 year ago
@No3225 In the beginning of Kyokushin, punshes to the Head was in Turnaments allowed.
We do Kyokushin, we are Members of IKO1 Shokei Matsui (Kyokushinkakan)
Winterheart999 1 year ago
@Winterheart999
ok how much do you train punching in the head and using your elbows?
it is all about body punching and that is bad
boxing with your kicks is beter combination
mma is better
No3225 1 year ago
@No3225
In the beginning of Kyokushin, punshes to the Head was in Turnaments allowed.
We do Kyokushin, we are Members of IKO1 Shokei Matsui (Kyokushinkaikan)
Winterheart999 1 year ago
@No3225
I Think you know not much about Kyokushin Trainining and fighting
Winterheart999 1 year ago
@sonofphiladelphia I practise both martial arts as well, and I totally agree with you.
fplinski 1 year ago
@sonofphiladelphia Gee...Let me think about this.One art prohibits the entire boxing and elbow repertoire to the head ,no clinching and locking with knees,no throw or trips in non professional competition the other one doesn't.I wonder which art will produce the more evolved technique combinations,tactics and strategies and ultimately the superior fighter?
MrThule 1 year ago
@sonofphiladelphia yep too bad some ppl still think otherwise
Nhia89 1 year ago
@sonofphiladelphia very tru thats like how no one could break thru machidas karate defense and shogun found his weakness and used his muay thai to find distance and was succesful with leg kicks and ended up knockin him out the 2nd fight :)
elBighead208 9 months ago
@elBighead208 Shogun had Glaube Feitosa(karateka) in his camp helping for that fight. Some Kyo dojos have become too tournament oriented. Other dojos train for different rules and fight in many Muay Thai events but do not advertise that they are Kyokushin. In brazil Kyokushin put on K1 and MMA style Ichigeki events. Shinken Shobu rules (standard tournament rules with head shots and light gloves) is popular with many dojos. Kyokushin is wide and varied.
aldridge1 5 months ago
@aldridge1 yes good point. its good to know your enemy before you fight them and study. from what i've researched about this fight, i found out that mas oyama actually had a muay thai practitioner sparring with his karatekas to get them prepared for the fight. as for the thai fighters on the other hand, were just cocky and thought they would win automatically which is never an advantage in fighting. dont get me wrong tho, im not making an excuse for the MT fighters. the vid shows what happened
mspark89 5 months ago
Same idiot still making stupid conclusion. When karate do not punch to the face in sport, he says they can take kicks and knees to the face; therefore karate is good for the street. But when Muay Thai fighters can knee, elbow, and kick the head real hard in their sport; he says when they take off their gloves, Muay Thai in the street is not real. Like he'll beat Yodsanklai's ass in the street with karate just because Yod takes off his gloves. Shut the fuck up! Seriously!
UnionJackFighter 2 years ago
Let's all calm down a bit, shall we? Be reasonable. In today's martial arts world, most of it is geared towards the ring, either in sparring or competition. Obviously rules are in place to protect the players from getting maimed or killed, as well as prolonging matches for entertainment. Strikes to vitals such as eyes, throat and spine are NOT legal, and crippling attacks such as stomping the knee or breaking arms would be lunacy. Gloves and/or other equipment is necessary as well. -
Vikverjar 2 years ago
In some systems, victory can be attained by knockouts OR points, which gears players to fast techniques to get the most points, even in such hard sports as boxing. Face it, if your heavy cannons can't create a knockout, the opponents faster but lighter strikes gets more points for a judge's decision. So, styles are altered to fit these criteria, and in the 'trophy' hunting schools, the maiming and killing techniques may be taught to keep the system complete, but certainly not practiced as much.
Vikverjar 2 years ago
In Muay Thai they use gloves so when they fight in the streets they get their hands broken. So, Muay Thai ain't real.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Oi mate your a fucking twat! How is it fake? It's what made Thailand win its battles hundreds of years ago. They wear gloves to protect their oponents, you can get muay thai barenuckle fights too. Search it on youtube I'm sure you'll find some videos to help you see that it is not fake at all!
CallanBkk 2 years ago
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That was history ,we are talking about the present. If that is the case than karate is way better because karate in its old form was meant to kill or cripple your opponent in one strike and it still exists today. Gloves protect the fighters hands and if you don't believe it hit somebody's head the hardest you can with your pinky knuckle and see what happens.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
no.... gloves are meant to protect the fist. The fist joints aren't naturally meant to be a battering ram. The joints are moveable sockets that can be damaged really badly. You can get arthritis early if you don't use gloves. Trust me, mma gloves aren't more weaker then actual fists.
VagabonNinja 2 years ago 2
definetly, this IS NOT kyokushin vs muay thai, kind of a kickboxing style (the guy in the black trunks i mean) ... 4:49 wtf are those blows? do you still think THAT is kyokushin karate? i dont think so...
despite this, you cant judge the greatness of two different martial arts by just 3 fights, imagine what would happened if MT won just one more fight...
i still belive that MT have the most devastating power of all martial arts, let any of those kyo guys challenge Dekkers or Somsong
telesforillos 2 years ago
its not style, its fighter. people that commented this are fucking losers
CageFighter258 2 years ago
THE COMMENTS HERE SOUND IF THEY CAME FROM PEOPLE WHO KNOW A LOT ABOUT MARTIAL ARTS.....THEY ONLY FOUND OUT INFORMATION ON THE WEB....WHY DON´T YOU ALL START MOVING YOUR ASSES ...GO OUT AND PRACTICE....KYOKUSHIN OR MUAY THAI......BUT DON´T WASTE YOUR TIME SAYING THAT THIS IS BETTER THAN THAT....GO OUT AND PRACTICE.....
BY THE WAY...What's the name of the song at the 5:22 minute mark?
Violentforce666 2 years ago 4
I train Kyokushin, i love it, i'm not conceded and i don't need to say that 1 or the other is better. I'm happy with training under Kyokushin, I find a lot of these other people have something to prove, that is why they diss other martial art styles. ,,\/. OSU!
rabiesrabies 2 years ago 3
Japaneese martial arts far superior in real conditions.
EVDIMOS 2 years ago
Agreed
pencitypunk 2 years ago
More techniques open up your arsenal like it or not. First of all, we are talking about striking arts not mma. Karate > muay thai. Plus, bokator is your daddy.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
Yes bokator most likely started Muay Thai. There were bando and other arts in SE Asia. Judo started BJJ. Doesn't mean BJJ didn't perfect certain things over Judo. Muay Boran is obsolete not because it was ineffective. It's obsolete because modern crime attacks in Thailand involve guns. So having a sword is not too useful just like the karate Sai in modern warfare. Muay Thai and boxing still offers the best in the striking. All the other range involve other arts, not karate.
LegDestroyer 2 years ago
You are wrong about bjj. Bjj perfected techniques and has created more. Just ask Eddie Bravo and the Gracies. I agree you with you that boxing and muay thai offer "some" of the best striking in the "ring". I doubt that, but it is not the ultimate best and its proven it depends on how you use it. Bare knuckle fighting is another story, and you better not compare bare knuckle fighting to boxing.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
If you show me you can use a lot of hand techniques to trap a boxer's hands in a boxing gym, then I'll give you the argument. Or go to a Thai gym and block their kicks with a lot of techniques. In striking, you don't have as much time to think. It's built on combination of solid basic techniques not a lot of different crazy shit. In grappling, you can use more time for techniques, but even so, you notice certain ones work better than the more exotic ones. I train with Russian wrestlers.
UnionJackFighter 2 years ago 2
What do classes, books and black belts have to do with Muay Thai. You don't believe a karateka can trap a punch? It's much easier if a boxer is wearing a glove, much much easier. Like I said before, the bigger your arsenal is the more options you got.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
That's right, books, black belts, classes have nothing to do with Muay Thai, but it has everything to do with you. We have an instructor in the UK, Bob Spour who was Special Forces and started his Martial Arts career with karate. Guess what gym he runs now? Phraya Pichai Muay Thai Camp. Bob has way more combat experience in the elite special ops group than you ever will and he believes in Muay Thai for real life self defense. So don't bullshit me about how it's all sport and would not work.
UnionJackFighter 2 years ago
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UnionJackFighter 2 years ago
Have you been to Cuba, they have one of the best beaches in the world. Now, look at the rest of the country, its shit. Muay Thai is the sport form of Muay Boran first of all and the system with weapons is known as Krabi Krabong. They went together, but they are different and very few people still know Muay Boran or Krabi Krabong.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
Muay Thai is not invincible, but it and Western boxing seems to be the most effective stand up. Little guys beat up stronger opponents with it and every time another art tries to fight it, they seem to end up using Muay Thai and boxing techniques that were not part of their arsenal before their encounter with Muay Thai. Japan recruited many legendary Thai boxers as teachers.
UnionJackFighter 3 years ago
Western boxing is the most effective stand up art if against styles that only use fists. By the way Muay Thai fighters had to learn western boxing. Also, Muay Thai didn't invent knee strikes or elbow strikes, so everytime somebody use a knee strike its not always Muay Thai.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
There are tons of Muay Thai gyms in Japan today. Very few karate gyms in Thailand, mostly occupied by affluent kids who are afraid to spar with the poor Thai boxers who will hit in the face. Every time someone talks about Karate vs. MT, the Karate guys have to dig all the way back to 1964. Even then it was a result of Karate guys learning MT techniques. MMA today uses more MT than Karate techniques. So think about it.
LegDestroyer 3 years ago
You are a retard. You say that today in mma more mt techniques are used than karate. I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean elbows, knees, kicks and punches. Karate has all of that and has more. Muay Thai is more of a sport than a martial art and you know it. You also say that there are tons of muay thai gyms in Japan and few in thailand. Ofcourse, thailand is a third world country they can't build shit in there. But, there is 50,000 karate gyms than there is muay thai in this world.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
The fact that you have to rely on name calling to make your point just shows that you have no point to make. Yes karate has all those techniques, but if you observed anything we observed in Asia, you would know that it didn't start to look pretty much like Muay Thai techniques until they stepped in the ring and realized they had to adopt a certain way of delivering it. But I'm just a retard who can't build shit, so believe what you will. You're the expert. We have nothing to teach.
LegDestroyer 3 years ago
It's just to show an example that Muay Thai has nothing. You say that karate started to look like Muay Thai till they stepped in the ring, ofcourse you are an idiot. Karate was never supposed to be a ring sport like Muay Thai. Your argument is bullshit. It's like saying that if a taekwondo guy uses shorts and gloves, he is now copying Muay Thai. You are also a retard. You said karatekas had to adopt a certain way of delivering strikes, ofcourse they had too.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
When you wear gloves the whole technique changes and you have to find different techniques. Plus, karate has way more techniques than Muay Thai by far.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
More techniques doesn't mean it is more effective in getting a job done. If the job is taking you down, having solid wrestling basics will get you the top position over tons of karate techniques. If the job is to dominate in the clinch, then it's knowing the Muay Thai clinch and basic Greco with knees and elbows. If the job is the guard, then it's BJJ, if KO with hands then boxing. Kicks - MT. 10,000 karate techniques will get you confused! Muay Boran has all that shit too- but not used.
UnionJackFighter 2 years ago
You also say the karate guys have to dig back to 1964 that's a stupid argument. Muay Thai guys get their ass kicked all the time by taekwondo, sanda, karate and kickboxing guys. The most recent I remember in mma is lyoto machida vs thiago silva. What you got to say about that? I respect Muay Thai and I think its great, but its not the ultimate or best style. It all depends on the person. So, don't think Muay Thai is invincible because its not.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
very few muay thai guys lose to tkd, sanda, karate guys. yes it does happen and i bet those guys can't wait to post it on youtube. but if you really know your techniques, you notice most of those sanda and karate guys who do well use boxing and muay thai techniques against muay thai, some with throws added. as far as mma, those guys use everything, it's hard to say they are pure karate vs pure muay thai or whatever.
UnionJackFighter 3 years ago
You say very few Muay Thai guys lose to tkd, sanda, and karate guys! I can find you about 50 videos right now where a muay thai guy loses. You also say that sanda and karate guys use muay thai!!! Sanda and karate are older than Muay Thai. Throwing is a part of sanda, not muay thai. Though, you are right sanda and karate guys do use western boxing just as muay fighters do.
Bjjownsu10 3 years ago
What a fuckin idiot you are. Kung fu is older but not the ring form of Sanda as fought today. Yes Muay Thai use Western Boxing. If you look at foot angle, Muay Thai knees are delivered different. Karate has more restrictive rules than Muay Thai in competition, but when it's convenient you say it's for the streets. Then you discount Muay Boran, Pahuyuth, and Chaiyuth as Muay Thai. Fuckin' American kid who knows it all from reading!
UnionJackFighter 2 years ago
First of all Muay Boran and all that shit is obsolete, its only kept alive by a few people. My bad for saying sanda, I should have said san shou. Does that make you feel any better? Also you say karate has more restrictive rules than Muay Thai. Like I said before, it depends on the type of karate. To say karate is restrictive is very broad, its just like kung fu. There like 200 kung fu styles: Wushu, wing chun, san shou/sanda, forms of shaolin, etcet.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago
There are also karate styles that are better and more complete than Muay Thai. Example: Shidokan karate and Daido Juku karate.
Bjjownsu10 2 years ago