Meet the AP264 Airline Pilots - Flight School Graduates

[Priceicle]

could you please tell me what A-levels chris did

[mena12380]

thank for this great video and i have qusetion iam 16 years old now but iask for oxford aviation academy and ifind you must take igcse and be 17 years old for assessment test for oxford and be 18 years old for get to start studing into and iam confused by the cost to take afull training and iwant you tell me about the full crouse how long to take it and after you finish the crouse what will you do to work in airline and again thank you reading

[hawk45653]

Spectacular!

[mrshitstain]

why did they give up? everyone gets a chance in the end don't they?

[jirik60]

how di chris graduate at just 19 years old ????

[AP264]

@jirik60 If you leave school @ 18 yrs, the course only take 1.5 yrs, so can graduate at 19.5yrs!

[C16Matt]

Great video and very interesting I like the 'Apprentice' style of it.

As a question, what qualifications (license wise) do you need to be on the Flybe course for their Q400's?

[AP264]

@C16Matt Frozen ATPL (CPL/IR)

[erectangle56]

out of interest, did Adam manage to find a job in the end?

[AP264]

@erectangle56 Yes I think so 

[PROmerkzUK]

How old do you have to be to become a pilot  for an airline

[ridhwan045]

yeah,how did you get into the flight school ? do you need a degree to enter ? what course did you take ? what course do i need to take to be a commercial pilot ??

[taveldaglobe]

how did you get into the flight school

[futurepilotkid]

ok so how much would u estimate it costs to take all the course needed to become a airline pilot an how much yrs

[holylemonimthat]

Are you all comercial airline pilots now?

If i join would it be seen as better if I do a university degree?

[AP264]

@holylemonimthat Most a couple still aernt or gave up unfortunately.

Q2 - no. but yes if it has helped develop your character and mature, things which airlines will look for in interview.

[holylemonimthat]

@AP264 Thanks, shame for those that gave up! Is there really a lack of jobs that bad?

[flyaamir]

@AP264  why did they give up

[galacarr]

@holylemonimthat

Hello there, great video! very impressive! I wonder if you could help me - I am doing some research for a TV pro company into pilots and we were wondering whether we might be able to use some of your great video for our pilot tape - it wonmt be bradcast anyway its jsut fro an internal tape? if so please could you come back to me

Many thanks

Gala

[galacarr]

@holylemonimthat

Hello there, great video! very impressive! I wonder if you could help me - I am doing some research for a TV pro company into pilots and we were wondering whether we might be able to use some of your great video for our pilot tape - it wonmt be broadcast anyway its just for an internal tape? if so please could you come back to me

Many thanks

Gala

[holylemonimthat]

@galacarr It's great to hear that, but I'm sorry, this isn't my video, I just viewed and commented it. The person you are looking for is AP264. But by the way, I wouldn't mind having a look at the final tape if you don't mind, it sounds great...

[Priceicle]

@holylemonimthat

can you tell me what A-levels chris did please

[Priceicle]

@holylemonimthat

can you tell me what A-levels chris did please

[undrtak3r]

song name?

[tomtom5418]

@undrtak3r I WANT IT TOO!!!!!

[brandonyap1]

I don't take Physics or add maths for my O levels and I want to get hired by major airlines, can I just go flying academy? Will that affect my chances of getting hired by airlines? Thanks

[herflik16]

Hello can some one help me please ?

i like become a pilot but i dont have lots of money i am 15 now help me please can I join any flight schools or colleges for free? plz help thx and sent me a message on you tube account

[praveenshivmohadeb]

@herflik16 Refer to 43airschool - its cheaper , approved by the CAA , well I need help too : I am doing O-level Physics , Maths , English , French, Biology , chemistry and computing. I will not be doing maths for my A-level however I will be still be doing physics , biology sub , computing , English and chemistry. I am 15 too , how about your A-levels ?

[mainardis90]

hey ive heard that students that cant afford the price of pilot training can do so by using their houses mortgage but it is quite risky because if you fail training you can loose your mortage and the government will claim your home? is this true or am i completely wrong, please correct me and could you give me more details about funding and finance?, thank you very much

[averredude101]

From 1:43 did christian and sean (btw thats my name!) go on the 747 straight after graduation at the age of 22? Because I want to be a klm 747 pilot

[AP264]

@averredude101 Yes they went onto 747 but as "cruise relief" pilots. They dont land or takeoff.

[averredude101]

@AP264 When will they be able to take off and land?

[elMartinlapin]

Ema are very sexy ;p

[aleem1231]

hi im 14 and my lifelong ambition is to become a pilot for an commercial airline something along the lines of BA or Emirates what can i do now to improve my chancesof achieving this goal? please write back a.s.a.p

[19851990307]

I am 19Years old ,I live in Canada.Currently going to Trinity Western university to get my Degree in Avaition .I was Just wonderning how long did u wait to get a job with BA after u got your degree.

[cesarishalo]

im only 14 and really want to be a pilot. Ever since i was a baby what can i do now to help my chances on becoming a pilot.

[BDFPA]

Hi Mark, What is the likelihood of being employed by BA or Virgin Atlantic after graduating? Is it very difficult and how many hours of flying experience must you have for both? Cheers.

[charlieboy5609]

can you be fat and be a pilot ???

[anastooo]

Hello Mark,

i am 16,live in germany and want to become an airline pilot...i am thinking of first studying aerospace engineering and after that join oxford aviation academy and i just wanned to ask some questions...how much time it takes to earn all the licenses in oaa?And when u finish,do u have a sure job?

[perigin3]

Hi, ive noticed that alot of you have degrees from uni, do you have to do one to get in to oxford?

[AP264]

@Appleshaz BA provide it all in house. BA simulators & instructors. One of the few airlines which can afford to do it that way.

Airlines like ryanair subcontract out to OAA Stockholm and others - they charger around £30,000euros.

[quincy103LFC]

Yeah, I'm a little short (163cm) and wanted to ask if there is a minimum lenght for becoming a pilot, and if so, what is this length?

Thanks!

[somgangsta]

I have question well i have finished my GCSEs I failed at Maths thats all but passed on English and Science. Im not onto A-level Business studies im finishing that off. So what are my chances of making it into OAA or any other Aviation academy with a single A-level and few GCSEs.

[tomglasby737]

Hello 264,

I am off the course 282, finished back in April 09 and curently doing my TR with Ryanair.

We were at your first screening all those years ago, I believe it was your graduation ball too?

Anyway, I was wonderig if you still had any of the dvds left?? I didnt buy one at the time and have been kicking myself ever since!

Thank you,

Tom

[TomTomSingAlong]

@tomglasby737 hi, a quick question about ryanair, do you have to pay for your tr and what is the pay for an fo??

[adamski895RS]

Ill have finished my Aerospace Engineering course in two years...after that down to OAA :)

[malithugs]

Do you first look for job as a pilot then the airline wants you to go to a flying school?

[Airundermywings]

Hi Mark,

I was born in the Netherlands, however I currently live in New Zealand. I obtain a British and a Dutch passport, am I eligible to join APP.

I am currently doing CPL/IFR theory however there are no jobs in New Zealand, and I plan to move back to Europe soon, would this affect my entry to APP.

Thanks

-Ben

[AP264]

There are no jobs in europe too. There is a large pool of experienced pilots all looking for jobs in UK from collapsed british airlines.

You can do APP without a UK passport, you just need appropriate training visas etc.

[tomtom5418]

damn...why don't they do this in the US???

Hired at 19?!?!

[bobistheman02]

did the guys that got KLM start in the 747's and 777's?

[AP264]

Yep, thet was the first aircraft they flew - but only as second officers - eg. cruise relief pilots

[pilot1495]

Hey i want to be a pilot but i have no clue where to start. i love flying, but i have no experince with a real plane but i have done alot of simming could you help me please.

[wot4edge540]

were you guys pre selected for the flybe scheme or did you just do the integrated course at oxford and hope for the best?

[AP264]

those who got flybe, got offered jobs at the end of the course after oxford submitted their final reports to flybe.

[wot4edge540]

thanks. I really want to start training, but i need to give my parents some reassurance that there is going to be a prospect of a job at the end of it. 80K+ in debt is no joke. what advice would you give me? just finished my A levels, do not want to go to uni... many thanks, oh and which airline did you go to? and who paid for your TR. sorry for the all the questions.

Thanks a lot

[AP264]

The reassurance is in your back-up plan (if you have one?).... If you have a strong backup plan then a pilots licence is an investment for a future. If you dont have a backup plan then yes £80K is a BIG gamble!!

I'm with BA and they pay for all the type rating costs.

[wot4edge540]

Not really, I am good with computers having built and maintained them since 13 and completed a computing Alevel however they're not really employable skills without specific IT qualifications tbh. If the worst comes to it i can get a job in retail or supermarkets or whatever to pay the loan back, will be tough like 7days a week for only 13/14k or so a year but will keep the bailifs away.. so what repayments are we talking per month.? I really want to start but ...dnt want 2 see parents bankrupt!

[AP264]

Problem is working at tescos isnt exactly a great thing to put on the CV after doing a professional pilots course. Dont get me wrong its better than being on the dole.

When you finish training and dont get a pilot job, you ideally need to get a job within aviation (eg airlines, cabin crew, groundstaff etc) or get a very high paid job --> then spend all the extra cash on keeping your flying licences current.

Keeping current and keeping yourself EMPLOYABLE is the key to the game.

[wot4edge540]

Thanks :)just been watching your how to become video.. really well put together, I just left the air cadets after 4 years and did 6 flying/gliding scholarships but ive decided war games are not my cup of tea.and yea that seems like a much more logical idea post ATPL . Im thinking of working really hard for about 1 year, save maybe 8/9k i know its not much but better than nothing then start on the course, thing is i cant bloody wait!Thanks for all yr advice and sharing yr accounts with the public

[AP264]

I disagree. There are lots of different ways to become a pilot. No right or wrong way. What matters is you can pass all the exams, get a job and be a proficient pilot.

[CallumGilmartin]

Im in year 11 going to do my gcse's inabit. Predicted all passes B+ and can take maths n physics with the grades i got allready at A level so i pritty strong. But what shall i do about joining a flight scholership or flight school or what shall i do???? money wise aswell???? MANY THANKS .

[britanniaairlines12]

I feel real sorry for the guy at 2:01

he wanted the 757 or 767 and got the 777 :(

[JamesB767]

okay thankyou so much i will subscribe to you and 5* video :)

[JamesB767]

Hi i've just finished my GCSE'S and I am now in collage

my grades:

English: A

Maths:B

Science:B

Art:B

ICT:C

History:D

I was just wondering if this was enough to be an airline pilot, at the moment i am doin 4 A levels then hope to go on from their, any advice for me would be great, thanks :)

[AP264]

Yes, just continue to work hard at college. good luck.

[britishxboxgamer]

ok im 14 started year 10. so what i need to become pilot schoolwise is 5 gcse's c grade including double science and maths and also would be beneficial if i got a levels in physics and maths is that correct? also did u do ur course in london?

[AP264]

Yes that is the bare minimum required. But you want to be aiming for the best grades you can get to improve your competitiveness to get a job or sponsorship.

[saxophoneman23]

AP264, have u ever been on the PPRuNe forums? If you have is all their negativitiy about the job true or is it just all the middle aged pilots who haven't got a job being grumpy?

[AP264]

No I dont use those forums. The problem with anonymous posters and unqualified "experts" is that most people go on with hidden agendas.

I'd strongly advise you to stay away from such forums!

[iamalmosteighteen]

dam... KLm puts them straight at the top. 22 and in the 747?

[AP264]

Yes but they are only long haul "Relief pilots" as in they can only fly the aircraft in the cruise. They wont takeoff or land a 747/777.

[eRrUc5395]

Hi i am 14 years old i live in mexico but i am american citizen,and i want to become a pilot for a mayor airline, i now that i need to worry about school in this moment ,but i ben looking aviation schools and i like Oxford Aviation Academy i went to the web site and i wanted to now if i can studie PPL,CPL, multi engine , ATPL and APP first officer there , and another question was if when you finnish studing do you get hired inmediatle

[AP264]

The Oxford school is for JAA or CAA licences; ie working in europe. To work in europe you need to be a european citizen. look for schools in mexico /usa

[oscaarsx]

wow tenemos las mismas cituaciones y esperansas hahaha solo que tengo 15 años!!

[blueskycadet]

Great video! Just wondering if at oxford you have to pay for your own training?

[TTandN]

whats the name of the first song?

[AP264]

theme used in the Apprentice UK

[Thermal26]

This is the best advertising video mr. Petteford could wish for ;-)

Nice jobs you all got. Unfortunately times have changed

[AP264]

The only jobs that oxford "setup" were the 6 who got putforward to flybe..eg, if you went to CTC they wouldnt have got that opportunity.

[bladeere14]

wow i see a lot of your freinds got into klm flying 747's, not bad for your first airline job, one day i hope to be flying 777's.

i live in Canada, we dont have HUGE airlines like europe does, im hoping to get into Air Canada Jazz as my first pilot job, and i have a backup if that doesnt work out.

and i was just wondering, in high school, do you have to be in say pure math(top level) or can you be lower, im not that great in math :'(

[AP264]

I think it helps if you can show that your maths is good standard by getting good grades in it at school. So if it means putting in extra work or getting extra tuition - i would strongly suggest it.

Having said that however, No you dont need advanced maths skills to be a pilot.

[GeneralRdot09]

Dude most of the maths are done in the flight plan XD.

[AP264]

As an airline pilot I use maths to work out how much fuel i need and how long the flight will last (adding + subtracting).

However during training and groundschool you will need more complex skills such as pythagorus/angles/equations etc

[NaughtyBwoi]

I know pythagoras and trig, how can u impliment that in flight?

[AP264]

I have used pythag like once so far at BA. If you have an ILS aproach path flideslope of say 3.2degrees you can use it to work out a set of dme distances and height gates - which are useful for approach planning. Apart from that I dont really use any other maths in flight.

[iremmeber]

Calculate the crosswind x-component

[SistersOfHearts]

I am 20 years old and i did not manage to get a C or above in my GCSEs in English, but i have all the other ones, i have a good BTEC national diploma in Construction and structural mechanicswhich is equivalent to 3 A-levels, and i am now studying at uni for a degree in Quantity Surveying and Commercial management. What i need to know is if OAT would even look at me if i dont have a C in English gcse

[AP264]

Duno, you need to ask them. You also need to consider if that is OK for airlines, as your eventual aim is to get an airline job.

[declan118]

do you think it is better to have degrees. or is it ok just to go straight in at 18. if so what degrees would you recomend. from your other video i hear you now work for B.A did you need any other qualifications

[AP264]

Firstly the average age of students on this type of course is 24. So there is no rush or advantage to go in straight at 18.

I have a degree. Infact all who got BA on my course have degrees... However, there are guys who got BA at 19 without degrees etc.

Dont do a degree "for the sake of doing one", do it because you want to do one, or have a good backup plan if the flying career doesnt work out (no jobs/lose medical etc).

[AP264]

A degree is not a requirement to be an airline pilot. However it may make you more 'appealling' to an airline.

I had a a degree in Engineering. It is a very well resepected degree subject and I can get a very good job in any career area except Law and medecine. Not many other degrees give you that sort of flexibility.

[declan118]

ok thats great i shall think hard on what i will do. im only 15 and at the moment i am doing my ppl . do you think this is a good idea or waste of money ? thanks for all your answers its greatly appreciated nd iv watched ur videos and they are all amazin

[AP264]

if you are only 15 then you still have ages to worry about training etc. At the moment concentrate on your school work, if you can try and get Alevels which include maths and physics as airlines like BA like that.

Enjoy the PPL flying.

Mark

[GeneralRdot09]

So can i do French Geography maybe a science At A level but still get to be a Pilot.

Or do i have to take maths physics and something else to be a pilot. It's really confusing

Most of these guys in the video dont look like they did.

[AP264]

Do whatever subjects you want, more importantly ones that you enjoy and can do well at (eg get top grades).

Having said that it is definately a benefit if the subject you do at alevel include maths and physics, but dont do this to the detriment of what I said in the first paragraph.

[GeneralRdot09]

So i can become a pilot without taking maths and physics at A level.

On the other hand taking GEO would be good for navigational purposes. And language.

GCSE Im in year 10 going into yr 11 I ve taken Double English, maths, R.E, Physics, Chemistry ,Biology, Env Science,Geography and French.

[AP264]

Yes you dont need math/physics as Alevels, but it would be "beneficial" to have them.

Geography at Alevel has nothing to do with navigation/maps etc. Its about geology/rocks/hills/natural disaster etc!!

[declan118]

here what qualifications do you need to get into Oxford or do you just pay money?

[AP264]

"Applicants for the APP First Officer course may apply to attend the Skills Assessment upto 6 months before their 18th birthday. They must have a minimum of five GCSEs at grade C or above and these must include English language, mathematics and either physics or double science. Overseas applicants must have the equivalent of the above or higher. A-levels are not required; however, many airlines give hiring preference to those who have A-levels or otherwise meet university entrance requirements"

[AP264]

And obviously you have to pay for the course yourself, so you will need FUNDING (sponsorship/loans/savings etc) as another prerequisite. Hope that helps.

[declan118]

yea it does thanks very much

[ArminPr]

Ambitions: Survive ground school LOL!