tillis gave tyson a boxing lesson tillis threw and landed a ton more punches. he should have got the decision. Where is Lampley stupid compu box stats in this fight
Fighters were different years ago.Particularly Ali.He actually enjoyed PLAYING with fighters and punking them.Hed put just enough on them to back them up at times when hurt but immediately back to the clowning etc.If he didnt fuck around so much he wouldnt have lost to frazier the first time.2 judges had their first fight 8-6-1.Ali couldve won if hed stayed serious.His showing off hurt him at times.I still think he won cos he controlled the tempo n threw more punches.Ali NEVER stayed down either
i like 2 see tyson fihgt holyfild or lenex at that time.. or even Riddick bowe... ppl always say.it has nothing 2 do with if u tall or not tall. BELIVE ME IT HAS ALOT 2 DO.WITH IF U TALL OR NOT TALL. tyson is not the best.. its Ali.i like 2 see tyson fihgt Foreman.. i like 2 see Tyson Fihgt Frazier i like 2 see Tyson fihgt Sonny liston.i like 2 see Tyson fihgt Shaves... Never gonna happand tyson was shit and wel always be shit... Tyson would not last 1 round With those guys. Belive me. ALI GOAT
prime tyson could not ko tillis,green,tucker,smith and buster douglas destroyed him, ali 64-67 would dominate tyson, prime george foreman 70-73 would knock tyson out in 3 rounds. styles make fights
I tell you, the main thing that watching these vids makes me wish? that it was still 1986... where did the fucking time go? it seems like this was just yesterday...
another point i want to make about the whole "who is the goat" thing, take two guys like cotto and pacman, their fans were absolutely brutal to one another in the days b4 the fight, and yet, the two guys who are actually going to BE fighting, are practically fucking friends... also, tyson and ali on aresenio hall, what happened? tyson said ali would win, and ali said tyson would win, champions leave the fight in the ring... i suggest youse guys do the same...we are all just fans right?
22 is 3 years older, you haven't reached you physical peak untill about 26. Also a boxer needs experience, so 22 is very young. Liston was a much better fighter then Tillis, every body who know ANYTHING about boxing knows this. But i guess that's not you...
I nver posted an insulting comment, why do you insult me then like that? Does that make you feel like a big man, insulting people while your safely behinde your computer?
Man stop being sensitive like a lil girl.. You dont know what would happen in a fight so how can someone say whos better honestly? Im basically stating Tyson is better because he accomplished more at 21 than ANY heavyweight in history. And for you to come up with this at peak bullshit that should tell you how great Tyson was to be champ at 20 and UNDISPUTED CHAMP at 21. Based on your theory and logic your saying Tyson is BETTER than ALI!!!
do you know liston was 38 39 when facing ali,the only reason liston did so well cause the heavywieght divison was in disaray.patterson was alight heavy.ali brung order to the divison but to say ali is the greatest more like overated.if anything the best are out of not in any particular order tyson holmes lewis or holyfield.
people reach their physical peak at different times, 26 might be the average, but that means for some its 19 and for some it may be 33, and 26 is just the average of those two, i think you both have some points, i just don't understand the bickering that takes place over this shit, no one can realistically say who would win if they never fought, do i think tyson would win? yes, but thats just my opinion as a FAN, if people could realistically judge who would win, then they wouldn't have fights..
He started it. You can estimated what fighter would probably win. Tyson was a ko-machine, was not good in going the distance, winning on points against bigger men, got frustrated if he didn't find that ko. Ali had a incredible chin(could take Tyson's best shot), was brilliant in frustrating and outsmarting his compitition. He had (in his prime) the best footwork ever(Tyson had troubles with mobile fighters). Ali had the best record, no doubt. So who would you bet your money on?
Its apparent seeing tyson against tillis,tucker,douglas,holy and lewis,that ali would probably beat tyson but tyson ,as this other reader said,was at his prime from 19 to 20 yrs old because it was the only period tyson utilized still what damato and atlas taught and he got experienced enough so fr practical purposes ,tyson was his best ever at 19 to 20.When he beat berbick,he already scrapped the great defensive approach and combinations as afast as ali.this is what he stopped early.
You can't be in your prime from 19 to 20. That means that you are not that good of a fighter(if you only can peak for one year) Ali dominated t'ill he was banned, won olymic gold, beat every body there was to beat. When he came back he wasn't as good anymore, still he defeated Frazier, Norton, FOREMAN, Shavers,...
I don't know what you mean with Berbick. There is no compare what so ever between Ali and Berbick. Berbick wasn't in the same league as Ali,he won against parkison-Ali.
let me correct myself,tyson fought his best with the techniqiue taught to him by atlas,damato and rooney at about 20 yrs old because his greatest asset was his biggest downfall,(defensive first ability) not the punching power which is what the media sold.Tyson followed the plan of technique better at 19 and 20 then at 22 or 23 and god forbid 25,26, and a shell of what he was when he faced holyfield in 96.
the tyson to put in front of ali,lewis,holy,holmes all in their prime was this tyson thru the berbick fight.the tyson after berbick was done.he lost his head and didnt follow the defensive first with jab first approach followed by combinations.even teddy atlas maintained tyson wasnt the same after 1986 with his defensive mode.This is what he needed to beat the boxers and the slick pros.
I dont recall ever seeing the tyson of 19 to 20 ever throw a one punch attack as he did after berbick with everyone else thru lewis in 2002.Not one time.This was why the better fighters knew to step in on tysons one punch lunges.Here ,he is a very difficult man to beat in the ring.Tillis fought the best ali/douglas style type fight of his life here and tyson barely lost a round and didnt allow tillis to get too much on him.The tillis rounds were extremely close to even give tillis.
a fighters prime is 25 to 29 but if you begin fighting grown men and sparring partners at 12 yrs old,you reach a level of intensity by 20 but in all those years,you can burn out by 25 especially if you have a warped character like tyson did and all the woman and money made him bored to keep training the correct way and fighting that same way.Tyson fought his own way after 1986.
@falseistrue HAHA Tillis lost to Frazier's son, Pinklon Thomas, Witherspoon, and Mike Weaver before fighting and being the first man to take Tyson the distance! He has all the stamina of a drowned kitten! All of his fights prior he lost stamina and was outpointed. Did I mention that Tillis record was like 26-4 before fighitng Tyson! A mediocre record! Tillis is a bum!
@POTATER1228 19 asshole that all i have to say..fuck you and your dumbass theory. Tyson was a TEENAGER beating the shit out of grown ass men! Champ at 20 and Undisputed by 21..say what the fuck you want. Ali, foreman fought BUMS with 20-10 records and some of them were LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHTS!!!!! Ali first fucking 20 fights were against fucking 180lb fighters thin ass white boys put Ali on his ASS TWICE!!! Shut ya dumb ass up...Potater head asshole.
@falseistrue Oh did I hurt your feelings. Not an opinion. All those were true. Before Tyson, Tillis ALWAYS started strong for 3 rounds and tired, then was taken out on points by the previous fighters I mentioned. Some think he was allergic to his previous sports diet, and had it replaced prior to Tyson, and this was the ONLY night Tillis didnt drop dead of exhaustion. the commentators even mention his condition in this fight. Look up his record. He got beat by every big name. Tillis is 42-22.
@falseistrue Name someone Tillis beat. If Tillis, who was known to tire out in a few rounds, by some miracle was able to hold off Tyson. What do you think Prime Lewis, Holmes, Ali do to him? Tyson was KO'd by Buster Douglas! Floyd PAtterson also won the title at 21! Does that mean hes a beat for beating up adults, despite, just exiting his teen years? Your love of Tyson is blinding you to facts. Look up Tillis' histroy for yourself! No opinions. Just straight up facts and inference.
@POTATER1228 You are just fucking STUPID! Tyson was a fucking KID still learning you fucking asshole. Name ANY fucking fighter at 21 facing nothing but world champ you piece of shit. Ali faced BUMS, Foreman faced BUMS..its how they develop fighters you ASSHOLE. ALL of foreman opponents were BUMS! PUT MONEY UP ASSHOLE..THEY ALL FACE BUMS you peace of shit!! GO CHECK the opponents of ALI, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, etc ALL FUCKING BUMS!! Go learn boxing you dumbass.
@falseistrue Floyd Patterson was fighitng champs at 21 moron. Wilfredo Benitez was a world Champ at age 17. Ali beat Chuvalo, Norton, Frazier, Terel, Patterson, Liston, Bonavena, and more. Ali was only 2 years older than Tyson when he won the belt. Old Foreman was able to go the distance with Prime, young Holyfield (being the first to do so after Holyfield went to heavyweight) Tyson got his ass put on the floor with old, hepatitis Holyfield. I know more about boxing then you. I fought amateur!
@falseistrue Young Tyson couldnt knockout Tillis, Bonecrusher, or Green. like he'd be able to KO Ali or Foreman. D'Amato even admitted to Tyson that Foreman would destroy someone with Tyson's style. You need to get educated, and stop believing in all of Tyson's hype. Yes Tyson was talented, but he was also a media machine, and managed by a team set up by D'Amato. these arent opinions. But facts and inference
@POTATER1228 Im done with your dumbass..I guess the media knocked out everybody tyson koed to. Shut ya fucking stupid ass up..styles makes fights asshole..its always hard for a puncher to ko a boxer you fucking dumbass. That is why Floyd mayweather is gonna beat the shit out of pacroid. Tyson was the FIRST EVER "HEAVYWEIGHT" power puncher with speed of a fucking lightweight you fucking dummy..that is what made him famous. Ali was fast NO POWER..he was actually a LIGHT Heavy you dumb bastard.
@falseistrue Ali was faster, and George's style beats on Tyson's style. Styles make fights. according to your own admission. Tyson's speed wouldnt mean anything after George hits him to the body and takes away that speed. And if a boxer beats a puncher, than Ali beats tyson too. And tyson wouldnt have gotten a title shot at 20 without Don King or Jim Jacobs helping him out. Deny all you want. But doesnt stop the fact that Buster Journeyman Douglas put 23 year old Tyson down for the count.
@POTATER1228 Ali was NOT a boxer PUNCHER he was just a BOXER..no heavy hands like BOXER PUNCHERS Robinson, Jack Johnson, Lewis, Louis, etc..!! That is why Frazier was able to last all those dam rounds and beat Ali. Tyson style was MUCH MORE effective than Frazier's, who was a BUM by the way, and Tyson had speed, head movement, and POWER. In their PRIME Tyson BY FAR was better than Ali who was knocked down TWICE by 180lb BUMS. So shut the fuck up asshole! Foreman was a fucking BUM to.
@falseistrue *Styles make fights* Tyson was knocked out by Williams, Douglas, Lewis, and Holyfield. Name someone who knocked out Ali! Frazier beat Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis, Ali, and Terrel. All hall of famers. Why isnt Tyson in the hall of fame? Tyson couldnt KO Tillis, Green, nor Boncrusher. All bums. Tyson even ducked Foreman in 1990, despite fighting him would mean millions and a title shot right after. Ali has more power than you think. Remember bonavena and Foreman? Even Liston admitted it.
@POTATER1228 Just like Tyson introduced a NEW ERA of a Heavyweight with Speed, quickness, and Power that was never seen before and he destroyed his era...Tyson later in his career was fighting in a NEW ERA of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS with speed, quickness, and power you fucking dumbass. Ali had his jaw BROKE by Norton a fucking BUM that always won the title in BOARD ROOMS. Ali V Foreman was supposed to be CANCELED due to Foreman having his head bust open in sparring and had stitches in his head!
@POTATER1228 Imagine today Pacroid or Mayweather suffering a cut in sparring that need Stitches..ThAT FIGHT WOULD BE CANCELED! Ali got LUCKY that DON KING forced Foreman to fight..! End result he got his BUM ASS KOED BY PILLOW HAND ALI. 70's was a era of BUMS with great marketing..you dont know SHIT about that era which is why you sound like an ASSHOLE. GREAT MARKETING made the 70's era. I could show you the strategy they used back then and it EXACTLY what Mayweather is using today!
@POTATER1228 Ali fought 180lbers & OLD ASS NAMED FIGHTERS at 21. TYSON fought MUCH BETTER COMPETITION coming up to get the title..!! ALI fought FUCKING LIGHT HEAVY ARCHIE MOORE who was fucking 46..! Patterson was a LIGHT HEAVY..! LISTON TOOK DIVES..! Ali fought Cleveland Williams who almost DIED 8 months before the fight due to being SHOT..! Frazier NEVER beat a champ for the BELT even in the OLYMPICS he got a free ride! SPINKS was fucking 6-0 and BEAT ALI..! Norton Paper Champ! Foreman BUM!
@falseistrue Syle's male fights. you admitted it. Foreman had an easy time with Frazier, Frazier gave Ali a hard time. Ali had an easy time with Foreman. That's the science of the game. Any trainer or boxer worth his salt will tell you that basic rule. and Yes Ali was knocked down by people, but ALWAYS got up. Tyson gets knocked down once, and you know he's eventually gonna be knocked out in the fight. Frazier had a better chin than Tyson and more stamina. Tyson never had a KO passed round 8
@POTATER1228 Liston to your stupid ass.. FRAZIER GAVE ALI A HARD TIME..RIGHT? Are you telling me FRAZIER is BETTER than MIKE TYSON??? FRazier's style was APPLYING PRESSURE to Ali which ALI could NOT handle..!! Tyson was MUCH BETTER than Frazier..MUCH QUICKER..MUCH FASTER..MUCH MORE POWER...you dumbass. THAT STYLE GAVE ALI PROBLEMS WHICH WAS MASTERED BY MIKE TYSON you ASSHOLE! Frazier had NO HEAD MOVEMENT which is why the jab was ALI ONLY defense. HOLMES jab tyson RAN THROUGH and KOED him!
@P I guess you didnt watch the Jose Ribalta fight who was KNOCKED OUT IN RD 10..asshole. Like I said you dont know shit.. Your talking as if KOING from round 1-8 is a bad thing you dumbass. Tyson had 50 fights and only FIVE went the distance! ALi had 56 fights and 18 went the distance!! stupid peace of shit..! Later in his career Tyson lost just as ALL GREAT CHAMPS! Tyson was fighting MUCH BIGGER GUYS with skills..Mcbride was fucking 271lbs..! Williams 265! Lewis 250! NOT fight night weight!
@falseistrue That was the ONLY fight that Tyson had that actually went past round 8. Name another. And Ribalta was a damn bum! What accomplishments did he have? And yes it is bad. Because after round 8 Tyson had no knockout power left. Something YOU idolize. Frazier had Ko's in round 11, and knocked down people as far as 15! When it went to round 8 Tyson either got the decision or was KO'd. Ha ha! Catchweight? it's the heavyweight division! No one fights at a catch weight in heavy!
@falseistrue Who cares if Ali didnt have one punch knockout power? That's not what made him great! He was a 200lb+ guy moving like a lightweight. If you want Knockout power, watch Foreman, Moorer, Cooney, Liston or Shavers. ALL hit harder than Tyson by Tyson's own admission. Mike has like 44 KO's Foreman had like 69 knockouts, and was knocking people out at 40! When Tyson was already retired! Archie Moore has an official 141 KO's. Potentially more, in unsanctioned pseudonym bouts!
@falseistrue Tyson was small, that's how he was, dont blame him for fighitng bigger guys. Its the HEAVYWEIGHT diviison. Not the medium-weight division. It's FULL of 240+ lbs giants. Next your gonna say it would;ve been more fair if Tyson fought 5"11 lightheavies.
@POTATER1228 Ali would have got his ass kicked against todays heavyweights! So shut the fuck up. They are bigger and much stronger than the old ass 70s fighters. Foreman ONLY competed in the new Era because he used the same strategy as ALI..!! He fought Bums and LIGHT HEAVYS..a very smart move he learned from the management of ALI..so shut the fuck up. The Klitschkos would KO Ali..Ali had NO POWER..Tyson style in his prime would DESTROY BOTH Klitschkos. Your just a fucking hater and ignorant
@falseistrue Ali would kill the weak heavyweight divison today. Not to say that Tyson wouldnt either, but look how poor the division is! George didnt learn anything about management from Ali. So no, that point is moot. And Foreman, Shavers, and Liston all hit harder than Tyson, which Tyson admitted in several interview sin his prime. No power from Ali? He Tko'd and Ko'd Foreman, Liston, Frazier, bonavena, and more. Slashing offense. Still powerful, just not Tyson level power.
@POTATER1228 Emotional? Let me school you. Ali was a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT from the Olympics..he enter Pro just 3 months later throwing on lbs to make Heavy division. ALI fought 180lb fighters close to fucking 20 of them! He then starts fighting OLD ASS NAMED FIGHTERS Patterson and 46 yr old Moore BOTH LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHTS! He faced liston who tried to BLIND ALI and then the second fight liston took a dive. Spinks a LT heavy enter Heavy 6-0 face ALi around the same AGE difference AS LISTEN V ALI..!
@falseistrue Teh 70's is almost unanimously decreed to be the strongest heavyweight era of all time. Anyone with any knowledge will agree. Many greats aiming for a single title. Unlike the multiple titiles and weak competition today. Also Foreman didnt come back just to fight "bums" he came back because he KNEW he could beat Tyson. After watching his fight against Berbick, his plan was to SPECIFICALLY beat Tyson. But Tyson ducked him. You call me a hater and ignorant when you cuss me out!?Irony
@POTATER1228 The 70s was the BEST MARKETING AND HYPE OF ALL TIME..!!!! Your not smart enough to see it. Its also the era that made people aware that it was FIXED FIGHTS going on..!!! How the fuck did Spinks get a shot at ALI "THE GREATEST" with a 6-0 record..!!! Ali was a OLD NAMED FIGHTER and Spinks management did the SAME SHIT Ali management did when he faced OLD ASS 46yr old ARCHIE MOORE..! The role REVERSED Ali was a Heavyweight facing a LIGHT HEAVY in Spinks! Go learn boxing HYPE..!
@falseistrue how about you try and be civil and counter my comments like I've been doing you? How about you try and disprove my facts that I have laid before you? Instead of outright saying things, back up your claims with evidence like I have. Bert Sugar, WBO, HBO, Lampley, Cossel, Tyson, Ali, Merchent, Freddie Roach, are all the source I used to back my claims. Who's backing your claims? You think Im hateful and ignorant. How are you with your cussing, insults, and taunts civil?
@POTATER1228 Let me tell you something! If you cant think for yourself and have to listen to what OTHER PAID analyst are saying then you will NEVER LEARN BOXING HISTORY!! Numbers DO NOT LIE. Go do your OWN RESEARCH to see Ali fought BUMS, 180lb fighters(20), OLD NAMED fighters, and LITERALLY SHOT FIGHTERS..LOL! Cleveland Williams was supposed to be one of Ali's BEST performance..! Williams was SHOT with A GUN lost 60lbs and still faced ALI.!! LOL!! Bert Sugar, Merchent ALL PAID LIARS!
@P People's OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS..!!!!!! Go look at the FIGHTERS RECORDS..!!!! Then go watch ALL THE FIGHTS!! THEN you will realize the 70's was FULL OF GREAT MARKETING..! Ali LOST to NORTON who was a BUM and got his jaw BROKE. Norton was KOED TWICE in 1 round..! Frazier KOED TWICE in 2 &5 rounds by Foreman! Took Ali the distance EVERY FIGHT! Foreman fought fighters with 20-40, 4-16 records..! THEN FACED FRAZIER and KOED HIM..TWICE! A sign Frazier, Norton, Foreman, ALi were OK.
@falseistrue they know more than you. And I agree with them. Why isnt Tyson in the hall of fame? Tyson fought 30+ year old guys half the time too. And Lots of heavyweights start out as light heavies you moron. That's because most of them are teenagers, and not big enough to mae heavy yet. Look at Holyfield, he started as as a light heavy, and he whooped Tyson bad! Look at the records of the fighters tyson beat? Savarese? Nielson? Haha and Archie moore was just a name ali HAD to beat. to ger
@falseistrue recognition. Moore needed money. That's what Tyson did with holmes. A big name Tyson had to beat simply to support his reputation. And Norton only lost to Shavers and Foreman Early. Two of the strongest heaveyies ever. Hit harder than Tyson. Have you seen who Tillis lost too prior to Tyson and how he lost? Tyson lost to Hepititius holyfield by TKO. And James Buster Douglas! While still in his 20's! What about those facts? And he ducked Foreman despite it meaning money and a title!
@PO OF Course he needed MONEY asshole! Thats how the game goes! Why the fuck you think ALI kept fighting at an old age!? They use the great names to increase the reputation of a young up and coming fighter! ALL FIGHTERS ARE MANAGED THAT WAY. Holyfield was on ROIDS and Head butting..did you see Rahman head asshole.? All your theory is BULLSHIT. Pacroid was KOED TWICE in his early career and won FIGHTER OF THE DECADE. Like I said POLITICS ASSHOLE. Floyd is undefeated for OVER a decade!
@falseistrue the Norton fight, but at least Ali finished. Tyson tore a ligmaent in the Danny williams fight and got KO'd. and wheter of Not Holyfield was on HGH the fact remains he had hepitatius and was 34 when he fought Tyson, AFTER the Bowe fights, that wore down on Holyfield. And Holyfield headbutts EVERYONE. Even Foreman admitted it. So holyfield did what he always did, Tyson was no exception (except for the age advantage for Tyson) What's your excuse for the Douglas fight?
@falseistrue like eariler. I boxed amateurs and EVERYDAY! I saw films of middlewights, lightweights, and heavies from the whole of the 20th century. I had to study and take apart the skills and abilities of all the champions. From benitiez, to leonard, Hagler, hearns, holmes, Dempsey, Marciano. And I saw that Tyson was great. But far from the best. Tyson had bad stamina too, (something he admitted in that Toback film in 2009) and would've suffered in 15 round fights.
@POTATER1228 Shut ya ass up..then there should be MORE 20 yr old heavyweight champs if its so fucking easy. Tyson did it better than ANY FIGHTER which is why he is admired more than ANY heavyweight including ALI, Holyfield, Lewis, etc! because of Tyson attitude outside the ring Biased ass commentators and politics keep the assholes that run boxing from saying Tyson was the greatest ever. He accomplished more in THREE YEARS than ALI or ANY heavyweight PERIOD. GO WATCH MORE TAPE ASSHOLE!
@falseistrue what does Floyd have to do with anything? All your doing is calling me names and insulting me! And we dont have many good fighters that young because trainers today are 2nd rate. And Tyson is NOT admired most. he's actually pretty hated, but loved for the controversy and excitement he brought after prison. I have watched more hours of fighters on film in one week, than you have in your entire life. Tyson's best last 4 years, then he got beat bad. Ali may have broke his jaw, during
@POTATER1228 You dont know shit. Excuses is all your talking..you say SO WHAT holyfield headbutts..LOL. Wow your dumb. Look at history asshole..Majority of the greats held the title 3-4 yrs dumbass. Tyson beat himself n the douglas fight.. A lost is a lost but everybody know the FACTS behind Ali and Tyson losing to Frazier and Douglas. People claim the 70s was full of competition but fighters fought each other 2-3 times not involving a fucking title. That is a sign of NO COMPETITION!
@falseistrue There was a sign of competition. Because fighters all had to fight each other for ONE title. Today, and in Tyson's era there were SEVERAL titles. So the 70's had ONE supreme champ. 80's to now is SEVERAL minor champs. Haha Tyson beat himself? Is that why Tyson ended up with a bulging eye he gave himself? Making excuses for Tyson like he "didnt train" is like sayin you didnt finish college because you didnt go to class. Its petty and stupid. And yes, it does. Because even non title
@POTATER1228 There WAS NOT only ONE TITLE.. NABF, WBA, and WBC were the three belts in the 60's asshole.. This is why Tyson was so FAMOUS asshole..He was the FIRST to have ALL THE BELTS at age 21..go learn asshole. Yes A lost is a lost, but everyone knows tyson DIDNT TRAIN, got knocked down in sparring, and was fucking asian bitches a day before the fight. Its the same with ALI..he lost to bum ass Frazier because years of INACTIVITY due to RACISM by our government. These are FACTS.
@falseistrue 70's only ONE TITLE really mattered. That's why when someone won the title that Frazier, Ali, and Foreman had. He was called "THE" Heavyweight Champ of the world. Not "A" World Heavyweight Champ. Frazier is not a bum. He has been inducted into the hall of fame, and beat the best like Ali: Bonavena, Ellis, Terrel, Quarry, Chuvalo. And no, all those things are not things you predicted. Oh shit, you predicted swine flu? guess what, we had bird flue the year before that. Oil spill too
@falseistrue fights were hard competiton, because even the titleless fighter were hard to beat, TOP 10 fighters. The reason they're not champs is becasue there is ONLY 1 title. If it had multiple tiltes like today, you'd see 3 title fights a fight. Champ Norton vs Champ Lyle. Champ Ali vs Champ Frazier. Champ Chuvalo vs Champ Bonavena. And the man with the 1 title was gunned ay by EVERYONE. That is competion. also I read your profile. You didnt PREDICT swine flu, you inferred it. Conspirator.
@POT Like I said DUMBASS there was THREE BELTS in the 60's..! The promoters MARKETED the WBA as the WORLD TITLE..so fighters were recognized more if they had the WBA belt. So you looked at my page and still dont comprehend shit. Go look at my video THE TRINITY. At 6:29 you will see a pentagram showing you ALL THE MAJOR US CATASTROPHES from the PAST and the FUTURE.. I predicted the OIL SPILL as well. If you look at the star it points to the GULF of Mexico. Check the date I created the VIDEO!
@falseistrue Oh no a hurricane? That happens too every few years. Oil spills are nothing new, it happens. All these types of travesties happen in cycles. I predecited early during the election that Obama was gonna win,. Am I psychic? No. I used inference and cycles of history. Such as people would get tired or Republican parties, and vote democrat. But your predictions arent what im here to talk about. You call fighters like Frazier bums despite them being hailed universally!
@falseistrue Ali is in the hall of fame. Frazier is, along with Bonavena, Quarry, Foreman, Holmes etc. Why isnt Tyson in the hall? Becasue after he hit 24 he was only good, no longer great, and ruined his career by losing against the legendary fighters of his era later. Young Tyson lost to old holyfield. Greatest ever right
@POTATER1228 Oh boy your fucking DUMB. You have to be INACTIVE for several years before they invite you to be elected into the hall of fame you dumbass. If you dont think Tyson will be inducted you are fucking DUMB. He just made his eligibility along with other fighters..asshole. Hey you do know your dumb as hell right..? YOUNG Ali LOST to Norton and got his jaw BROKE..asshole. Norton was KOED TWICE in round 1 by other fighters..you fucking retard.
@falseistrue What are your credentials to judge these people as bums? Have you ever laced on gloves or are you a historian? No? Then you are just average Joe who doesnt know the history. I saw EVERY single Fight Frazier had starting from his Olympic triumph. And Tyson is not being considered for the Hall because of his defeats after 1990. Ali lost Norton AFTER Frazier fool, and he got his jaw broke but he went the distance, Tyson tears a ligament and cries then gets KO'd by Williams!
@POTATER1228 Wow.."Tyson tears a ligament and cries then gets KO'd by Williams!" How fucking retarded are you..? You expect someone to fight after TEARING A LIGAMENT IN THERE KNEE..straight dumbass. ALL of Frazier, Norton, and Foreman OPPONENTS WERE FUCKING BUMS with fucking 20-40 records..go look it up DUMBASS!! That is what classify them as FUCKING BUMS!! The ONLY name that have on their career is ALI. AND ALI was a BUM. He was just the better bum with marketing and hype behind him.
@falseistrue Ali had a broken Jaw, And Margarito had a broken Orbital bone and they finished a full fight. Tyson quit after tearing a ligament. Which fighters with 20-40 records name them! Now. What are your credentials to judge these fighters as bums?
@POTATER1228 Goes to show you dont know SHIT about boxing dumb asshole. Just a few of BUM ass Foreman opponents! Frank Lux 16-27 record David Jaco 20-15 Mark Young 10-13 Mike Jameson 14-15 Ken Lakusta 20-15 Clarence Boone 3-21 Ollie Wilson 20-40 Stamford Harris 14-23 Lou Bailey 14-30 Clarence Boone 3-21 Terry Sorrell 4-16 he fought FRAZIER the next fight! As I said FOREMAN FOUGHT BUMS! Same with ALI, Frazier, and Norton! You fell for HYPE and Marketing ASSHOLE! Tyson comp was MUCH BETTER!
@falseistrue Foreman fought those guys on his comeback as a warm-up matches. Foreman admitted they were people he could beat with 100% certainty. Everyone knows that, name the other bums that Ali and He was gone for 10 years, he needed to start at rock bottom to get back in the groove of things. Foreman was 38-46 years of age and still knocking out people bums and contenders alike. Tyson quit against Kevin McBride at age 38 despite being fine.
@falseistrue People had higher losses in the 70's period due to fighting EVERYBODY. The top competitors had few losses, and everyone else had shit loads loads of losses. As you get closer to 2000, you see people with fifty victories like 10 losses. look at the Robinson era. You had people with 150+ fights and like 20 losses. And Tyson fought bums too! Bonecrusher? Green! Haha they even took him the distance! Tyson fought bums like Donnie Long. ALL FIGHTER HAVE FOUGHT BUMS. Especially in the
@falseistrue beginning of their careers. That's how you start out, you fight chumps, move to contenders, then champs.
Broken Jaw, Broken leg, both severe injuries, same thing. You have a broken jaw, punches to the face hurt like liver shots, if you have a torn ligament, you're just slown down and lack power, they're both handicaps.
Once again, give me your experience and credentials to judge the fighter's of the 70's as bums, or you have NO RIGHT to judge them unless your Sugar, or a boxer
@POTATER1228 BERT SUGAR???????????????????? LOL!!!!!! That fucking BIASED asshole. There is a video on here with him say Floyd Mayweather was a better fighter than Pacroid..then a few weeks later after ARUM got to his ass..he BACKTRACKED his statement saying Pacroid is the best fighter and better than FLoyd! Shut the fuck up you brainwashed asshole. NUMBERS dont fucking LIE. If you believe fighters start off fighting BUMS than Tyson is BETTER because he faced REAL fighters in his TEENS!
@falseistrue And once again I LOVE how you insult me and call me names. Nice ad hominem buddy. Your use of language shows how puerile and childish you are, and how you have little understanding of the history of the sport. Had this been a debate with judges you would have lost a long time ago on grounds of unsportsman like conduct and placid arguements
@POTATER1228 Its not in front of judges asshole it YOUTUBE so shut the fuck up. ALL of your arguments are fucking FANTASY just like your last statement..! I deal with REALITY ASSHOLE.
@falseistrue see if you cant back up your own expereince you just prove how full of it you are. You wont say your credentials to prove how trustworthy you are, becaue you know you DONT HAVE ANY. You've lost and are too bull-headed to see truth. You talk about Sguar being Bias, but you see Tyson as nothing less than a god. Hypocrite. I also like how you insult me insteaad of giving a logical, credible rebuttal.
I usually dont waste my time talking to RETARDS. NUMBERS dont LIE. I can be a 15yr old or a boxing guru..NOTHING MATTERS BUT THE FUCKING NUMBERS. 40-0 record doesnt mean SHIT if you investigate the records of the opponents and THEIR RECORDS are fucking 20-40..13-39, etc! Do I need a fucking degree in boxing to know the opponents of George Foreman, ALI, Frazier were ALL FUCKING BULLSHIT? NO! I know more about the TRUTH and BUSINESS of boxing then MAJORITY of the socalled historians.
@falseistrue if you dont like to waste time with retards? Why are you so hung up on this little situation? You've been replying to my comments for like a month now. Every single time I say something? I reply like every few days. You reply like 15 mintues later. Why waster your time?
@POTATER1228 YOU are fucking CONSTANTLY COMMENTING not me asshole. I "REPLY". STOP COMMENTING because you dont know shit...go do your own research asshole. ALI fought BUMS, Frazier was a BUM, Norton was a BUM, Foreman was a BUM. The NUMBERS DONT FUCKING LIE..they ALL fought BUMS and OLD ASS FIGHTERS WITH NAMES. What the fuck ALI was doing fighting SPINKS with a 6-0 Record and it was "LABELED" THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY..!!!!!! What the fuck did SPINKS do to make it the fight of the century?
@falseistrue Oh go on to your little conspiracy theories. I'm just glad that I won this little debate. I win, you lose. And that's that. But I'm sure you know a lot about losing debates according to your youtube page. Aw well. Goodbye
@POTATER1228 Only a little dick head would look to win a debate on youtube..I express my FACTS and you can take it or leave it..dumbass. You lack reading comprehension which is why you dont believe shit. NUMBERS DONT LIE so go fuck yourself..
@falseistrue ha, you dont read MY FACTS. so shut it hypocrite! Ha, that proves I win! and you are just sore! I dont need to throw a tantrum and cuss out who I talk to to make a point!
@falseistrue You come off as very smug, and everyobdy else is a "redtard" except you. That doesnt make you right, it just makes you look like an ass. If you are not willing to listen to people, then I'm sorry, your gonna be ignorant for life
@POT I dont have to LISTEN when the FACTS are in your fucking dumb ass face..! GO LOOK AT THE OPPONENTS RECORD ASSHOLE!!!!! I dont have to listen to ANYONE! I just need to analyze the records of the opponents..and ALI, NORTON, FRAZIER, LISTON, FOREMAN, ALL FOUGHT BUMS or OLD ASS FIGHTERS WITH NAMES! That was the marketing and hype back then and that is how SPINKS who just won the GOLD fought a OLD ASS FIGHTER WITH A NAME CALLED ALI..you dumbass. wake up. ALI v OLD ass MOORE same shit!
@falseistrue You say ALI, NORTON, FRAZIER, LISTON, FOREMAN all fought bums. Well what have you done with your life that gives you the right to talk like that. You seem like some high and mighty ass who thinks he is gods gift to the earth.
@XavierMarciano Check the records of their opponents ASSHOLE. NUMBER DONT LIE. Don King and MANY promoters back then were CAUGHT FIXING FIGHTS and padding fighters records. Its ON FILE asshole..court documents. You know NOTHING about the business of boxing. You just look at fights and dont know shit. How the fuck ALI fight Cleveland Williams when he dam near was killed a year before the fight when he was SHOT in the stomach by a cop? Norton and Frazier won their title in the BOARD ROOM!
@falseistrue Your a total tyson fanboy, you complain that ali fought archie moore. Well how old was larry holmes when tyson fought him. Before you decide to critise the records of ali,' norton, foreman, frazier, liston, you need to take a look at who tyson fought. You will find he fought a lot of old men and a lot of opponents who had many losses on their record. In tyson's "prime" those early days he sure faced his share of easy hand picked opponents
@XavierMarciano No I just study boxing asshole. Tyson went threw ALL OF THEM at the age of 22! Holmes was 39! Far from Moore 46 and on top of that Moore was a light heavy. Tyson opponents HAD GREAT RECORDS Many with only 1 or 2 loses! and Holmes was the OLDEST he faced! Spinks BEAT HOLMES TWICE and KOED COONEY..tyson destroyed a undefeated spinks in seconds. Spinks actually BEAT a champ! Norton, Frazier NEVER beat a champ for the BELT and were KOED by BUMS in 1 & 2 rds, and Ali LOST to BOTH!
@falseistrue Oh wow you critise moore for being at light heavy and yet you seem to forget spinks was a light heavy not too smart for someone who studies boxing, and take a look again at who tyson fought, you will see the majority had shit records.
What heavyweight did Moore beat that was great? Shut the fuck up then! That is why I named Cooney and Holmes that Spinks BEAT! Ali was a fucking LIGHT HEAVY as well from the Olympics just like spinks. It is also the reason Ali's career was FIXED against OLD NAMED fighters. Moore was OLD Lt heavy at 46, Liston was OLD and threw the fight, Paterson was SHOT Lt heavy, Cleveland Williams was LITERALLY SHOT in the stomach, Norton and Frazier were KOED by BUMS both beat ALI, Spinks 6-0 beat ALI!
@falseistrue Your a fuking idiot what "bums" ko'd frazier. He was only ever beat by george foreman and muhammad ali. Even his loss to all time great foreman he finished on his feet like a warrior. Speaking of being ko'd by bums buster douglas ring any bells. Lets see frazier only has losses to ali and foreman, tyson has losses to douglas and msbride. Seems like tyson is the one who was ko'd by bums.
Your talking out ya ASS. Tyson opponents had GREAT records! Majority had 1-2 loses! Holmes was the oldest fighter he faced at 39! How about checking fucking GEORGE FOREMAN OPPONENTS who had fucking 20-40, 16-27 records! Norton and Frazier NEVER BEAT A CHAMP FOR THE BELT and got their asses KOED TWICE by bums but yet beat ALI..! ALI STRUGGLED WITH THEM! Cooney KOED NORTON IN 1 rd and SPINKS KOED COONEY! Tyson DESTROYED SPINKS in sec! Tyson accomplished more at 22 than Ali enter career!
@falseistrue I repeat so called student of boxing what bums ko'd frazier. Buster douglas is a bum and yet he exposed tyson's overated ass, even more so by losing the belt in the first defence. And yet douglas owned tyson's drug addled ass.
@falseistrue Joe frazier and Ken norton beat better fighters than tyson ever fought. Don't care about norton's later losses as he was old as hell. Tyson faced hadn picked bums in his prime. Joe frazier faced real fighters like buster mathis, jimmy ellis, oscar bonavena. They are much better than tillis and thomas. So shut your ignorant ass up. Ali, Foreman, Liston, Frazier are all time greats who beat great fighters. Tyson lost to any great he faced ex holyfield. And he would lose to Ali.
@XavierMarciano Did this motherfucker say 40-12 Jimmy Ellis was a real fighter? LOL! Go check the stats of his opponents fucked up records 35-28, 5-20, 20-41, MAN SHUT THE FUCK UP! Buster Mathis..LOL!!! Mathis was actually replaced by Frazier in the olympics..so frazier got a FREE RIDE to the fucking Olympics! His career was complete fucking LUCK! Bonavena..LOL!!!! You are the product of fucking biased ass 1970s propaganda and MARKETING HYPE! Do ya homework asshole! NUMBERS DONT LIE!
@falseistrue Your a fucking idiot, check the records of the men at the time frazier fought them, you fucking fool. A guy could be fighting to the age of sixty and rack up a load of losses from 40+. It wouldn't change the fact he was once a great fighter. You know fuck all about boxing. Go back to sucking tyson's dick you little bitch.
You are one true DUMB asshole. At 35, Jimmy Ellis was fucking 39-11 when he faced Frazier you fucking DUMBASS! Thats great to you!???? Ellis lost to a fucking guy IN HIS PRIME with a 56-22 RECORD! That is a sign of a FUCKING BUM ASS FIGHTER! Back then they stated a fighter was good if he went past certain rounds with ALI..! Norton, Frazier, and MANY OTHERS are ONLY great because they beat ALI..! ALI was the MARKETING HYPE of the 70s. You got in the hall of fame if u went 15 rds with ALI!
@falseistrue Go fuck your sister you inbred bastard. Buster mathis was undefeated when frazier fought him, but you will probably claim he had 20 losses. You make shit up as you go along. This is the facts frazier only ever lost to two men, ali and foreman. In contrast to tyson being knocked out ny bums like buster douglas. Ali would own tyson in the ring. Lets see tyso is a convicted drug user and rapist. Ali spoke out for ends to racism. Ali is a better boxer and a better person.
@XavierMarciano ALI is definitely a GREAT person as far as standing up to the government. Despite that he is no different than any other man that fucked other bitches while he was married. It was plenty of other shit he did but was hidden. ALI career was also FIXED. Moore FIXED, Patterson FIXED, Liston FIXED, Williams FIXED, Spinks FIXED. FIXED meaning they made sure to place Ali with OLD or BUM fighters. Tyson is known for being HIMSELF and fuck what the media thinks. Spinks 6-0 beat ALI!?
@falseistrue Yeah how fucking old was ali when spinks fought him bitch. Your listing off huge numbers of all time great fighters and saying all their fights were fixed or they fought bums. Yet you fail to acknowledge all the bums tyson faced and the fact he got ko'd by fucking buster douglas, (enough said). Your a fucking idiot and judging by the comments on your page, your pathetic little hobby is to go on youtube and annoy people. Good for you. Whatever your an idiot or some punk kid.
I love it..you assholes fall for it EVERY TIME! LOL! Lets break it down for the final showdown asshole! ALI was 22 and Liston was 32 when they met..RIGHT? Spinks was 26 and ALI was 36..RIGHT? I guess you cant see ALI fought an OLD LISTEN! I guess you cant see how back then the promoters used the SWEET SCIENCE which is all about NUMBERS to make these FIXED fights matching Young UNKNOWN with GREAT OLD NAMED fighters! Tyson had BUMs to but he DESTROYED his.. ALI went the distance with his!
@XavierMarciano Now I dont give a FUCK how OLD ALI or ANY FIGHTER is they should NEVER LOSE TO A FUCKING FIGHTER THAT IS 6-0..!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THAT BULLSHIT!!!!!!! That is a lost to someone who just started learning the game and he BEAT ALI..!! Like I said It goes to show the competition was BULLSHIT filled with great MARKETING HYPE and you assholes fell for it..! Tyson was 20 and Berbick was 32! Do you see how it works? Tyson DESTROYED his opponents ALI DIDNT!
@falseistrue I'm no longer replying to you, as your 99% likely some loser or punk kid. One look at your page shows how pathetic you are. You enjoy finding people to annoy, you haven't a single boxing video favourited on your page, you go on boxrec and act like you know anything about boxing. Judging from comments you have left people your obsessed with "winning" debates. Your some sad loser. Putting up video's saying you predicted swine flu. You clearly have no social life, I won't be replying.
@XavierMarciano RUN..RUN...I speak common sense and FACTS... you speak from fucking hearsay and EMOTIONS. ALI was a small over hyped marketing machine. He was good but he was NOT GREAT based on just looking at the competition and the competition his opponents faced..! That shit has NOTHING to do with MY OPINION..!! Its right in your FACE...NUMBERS DONT LIE. If someone is 10,000-0 and you look at his opponents and they all were 0-900 what does that tell you asshole? THE COMPETITION WAS WEAK!
@XavierMarciano BUSTER MATHIS WAS A BUM who fought BUM ASS FIGHTERS until he reached Frazier who was also undefeated!! Mathis was fighting guys with fucking records of 15-11, 19-23, 17-10, 19-6 and his next fight was against Frazier for a VACANT TITLE and he got his ass TKOed!! Frazier and Norton are the fucking VACANT CHAMPS fucking BOARD ROOM CHAMPS..!! Thats why they got their asses KOED easy by other BUMs that hit hard. Frazier ended his career in a DRAW against a fighter who was 15-1..!
@TheCaliCapitalist there is debate. Tyson had the style to beat Ali. Now styles make fights but it dosent win them. Im not saying Tyson wouldve won but he definetly had the skills to do so. I see it as something along the lines of Joe Frazier vs Ali. Tyson can definetly catch him with a good hook.
@TheCaliCapitalist Your comment is disrespectful both to boxing and to Ali himself. If there's no debate about a match-up, then what's the point in the fight occuring? Where's the fun in watching a foregone conclusion, and where's the nobility in fighting when the victor and loser are already decided before the match begins? Imagine if Ali had been banned before the first Liston fight. People similar to you would have said, "It doesn't matter, because we know Liston would destory Ali".
@TheCaliCapitalist Ali-Tyson would be great because we don't know what would happen. Furthermore, Ali competed in boxing because he understood the nobility of the sport in that anyone could be champion, no matter what was said before the fight, and that any fighter, regardless of reputation, had to prove himself in the ring. People like you who say "there's no debate" are no better than Ali's critics who said that Liston and Foreman would destroy him.
@TheCaliCapitalist hahah you say that but you really dont know who would have won....you can argue about it for the rest of your life but until they actually fight you dont know if ali would have won?? And btw its also a ridiculous thing to say that tyson only knocked out chumps...cause then you can say the same about holyfeild, lewis ECT.
@TenTonHorse I completely agree with your statement to the fullest...people making premeditated decisions about a fight that could easily go either way.
Good point but Ali would most likely beat him because Tyson in his prime never had experience with a fighter of his calibre. I should not have called them chumps (you were right) because they would destroy the majority of fighters today. Ali Tyson would be a good fight but Tyson would have to get real close to know him out. Watch how he fought Mitch Blood Green. He won but if that were Ali it would have went a different way.
@TheCaliCapitalist Now that i can agree with....but still i always say you cant look at how he fought another fighter cause then you can bring up how foreman fucked up frazier easily than frazier fucks up ali the first time around easily(somewhat anyway) then out of the blue ali fucks up foreman...that chain never really works because its a style that would win either fighter the fight...and from docs that ive seen tysons original trainer(Cus) trained him to fight people that had ali's style...
@brnleague99 I think it would've been a much more even match than what we actually saw in 1997. But I still feel that Holyfield at this point in Tyson's career would've cruised to a unanimous decison.
@POTATER1228 Shut the fuck up Holyfield was on STERIODS take him off and you have a fucking BUM. I guess you never heard of him being busted for roids to the point the FEDS bust in his fucking home. You dont know SHIT about boxing..your just a fucking wannabe FAN. Most fans of all sports are fucking DUMB and CHEERLEADERS that dont know shit about the business and marketing of the sport...and creating HYPED fighters. You can not HYPE a power puncher such as TYSON u dumb ass.
@falseistrue Really what credentials do you hold to call Frazier and the fighters of the 70's bums? Are you a boxing historian Like Sugar who watched fights from front row seats back in the days of Joe Louis? Or are you like me who had an amateur career and learned how to box, sparred, and fought other amateurs, and watched hours upon hours of fights on film from John L Sullivan to Tyson. If not, I dont think you have the right to call those fighter bums
@POTATER1228 Frazier, Norton NEVER beat a champ for the belt. PERIOD BUMS. They both got their ass KICKED KOED easy by other BUMS but took Ali the distance..that goes to show the competition was BULLSHIT back then..and HYPE and MARKETING controlled the 70's. Tell me how the FUCK Spinks who was 6-0 have a fight between ALI that was labeled FIGHT OF THE YEAR? People lie number dont asshole. TODAY people are not as fucking IGNORANT about the BUSINESS of boxing. OK dumbass..?
Tillis is Ali without the chin and handspeed. Look how much trouble he gives Tyson. Ali would have thrown those fast combos and as Tyson came in. I think Ali would have ko'd Tyson late.
Tyson was tired or ill he would of went brock lesnar on the guy
HardKore5250 2 weeks ago
tillis gave tyson a boxing lesson tillis threw and landed a ton more punches. he should have got the decision. Where is Lampley stupid compu box stats in this fight
bobber0623 4 months ago
@bobber0623 are you retarded? tyson won veryconvincingly
codeman95291 4 months ago
Fighters were different years ago.Particularly Ali.He actually enjoyed PLAYING with fighters and punking them.Hed put just enough on them to back them up at times when hurt but immediately back to the clowning etc.If he didnt fuck around so much he wouldnt have lost to frazier the first time.2 judges had their first fight 8-6-1.Ali couldve won if hed stayed serious.His showing off hurt him at times.I still think he won cos he controlled the tempo n threw more punches.Ali NEVER stayed down either
prinsovdahkniss 9 months ago
Tillis survived this fight cause he fought like Ali would have. A good jab, tie him up, and move. I envisioned Ali in there. :-)
Nonpeon 9 months ago 2
Why is it that on every boxing video people are arguing over Muhammad Ali?
truthfulmind 1 year ago
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i like 2 see tyson fihgt holyfild or lenex at that time.. or even Riddick bowe... ppl always say.it has nothing 2 do with if u tall or not tall. BELIVE ME IT HAS ALOT 2 DO.WITH IF U TALL OR NOT TALL. tyson is not the best.. its Ali.i like 2 see tyson fihgt Foreman.. i like 2 see Tyson Fihgt Frazier i like 2 see Tyson fihgt Sonny liston.i like 2 see Tyson fihgt Shaves... Never gonna happand tyson was shit and wel always be shit... Tyson would not last 1 round With those guys. Belive me. ALI GOAT
BunBRIP 1 year ago
mike buit upp goood 1986
hotblk100 1 year ago
Tyson was pretty stale for this fight. He jsut didn't get his rhythym. Of course he was still very young and pre prime.
Rockyfan10060 1 year ago
prime tyson could not ko tillis,green,tucker,smith and buster douglas destroyed him, ali 64-67 would dominate tyson, prime george foreman 70-73 would knock tyson out in 3 rounds. styles make fights
combatesdeboxeo 1 year ago
19!
m0bstok0 1 year ago
James fighting like Ali...
nodirbekable 1 year ago 4
I tell you, the main thing that watching these vids makes me wish? that it was still 1986... where did the fucking time go? it seems like this was just yesterday...
RapedByRepublicans 2 years ago 3
another point i want to make about the whole "who is the goat" thing, take two guys like cotto and pacman, their fans were absolutely brutal to one another in the days b4 the fight, and yet, the two guys who are actually going to BE fighting, are practically fucking friends... also, tyson and ali on aresenio hall, what happened? tyson said ali would win, and ali said tyson would win, champions leave the fight in the ring... i suggest youse guys do the same...we are all just fans right?
RapedByRepublicans 2 years ago
not really this is the 1st time tyson vsd sumone like this if he got more use to fighters like this hell tear them up like he did larry holmes
mattaboyz 2 years ago
this fight is the proof, ali 64-67 would win tyson. FACTS
consta4891 2 years ago
He was robbed
NezSyk 2 years ago
ive met james quick tillis
oscaralonzo27 2 years ago
I love how kevin rooney always stick up for mike 4:54
Omer698 2 years ago
he boxe like mohamed ali style
underdogboxer 2 years ago
Tyson was a fucking TEEN at 19!! Tillis was 29yrs old!!!! LOL!!! You people forget tyson was a teen fighting and destroying grown ass men!!
falseistrue 2 years ago 12
Ali was little more then a teen when he destroyed the great Sonny Liston.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
What? Dont even talk to me speaking that bullshit..when since 22 is a teen?? stupid fuck..
falseistrue 2 years ago
22 is 3 years older, you haven't reached you physical peak untill about 26. Also a boxer needs experience, so 22 is very young. Liston was a much better fighter then Tillis, every body who know ANYTHING about boxing knows this. But i guess that's not you...
I nver posted an insulting comment, why do you insult me then like that? Does that make you feel like a big man, insulting people while your safely behinde your computer?
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago 2
Man stop being sensitive like a lil girl.. You dont know what would happen in a fight so how can someone say whos better honestly? Im basically stating Tyson is better because he accomplished more at 21 than ANY heavyweight in history. And for you to come up with this at peak bullshit that should tell you how great Tyson was to be champ at 20 and UNDISPUTED CHAMP at 21. Based on your theory and logic your saying Tyson is BETTER than ALI!!!
falseistrue 2 years ago
do you know liston was 38 39 when facing ali,the only reason liston did so well cause the heavywieght divison was in disaray.patterson was alight heavy.ali brung order to the divison but to say ali is the greatest more like overated.if anything the best are out of not in any particular order tyson holmes lewis or holyfield.
redmeth07 2 years ago
people reach their physical peak at different times, 26 might be the average, but that means for some its 19 and for some it may be 33, and 26 is just the average of those two, i think you both have some points, i just don't understand the bickering that takes place over this shit, no one can realistically say who would win if they never fought, do i think tyson would win? yes, but thats just my opinion as a FAN, if people could realistically judge who would win, then they wouldn't have fights..
RapedByRepublicans 2 years ago
He started it. You can estimated what fighter would probably win. Tyson was a ko-machine, was not good in going the distance, winning on points against bigger men, got frustrated if he didn't find that ko. Ali had a incredible chin(could take Tyson's best shot), was brilliant in frustrating and outsmarting his compitition. He had (in his prime) the best footwork ever(Tyson had troubles with mobile fighters). Ali had the best record, no doubt. So who would you bet your money on?
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
Its apparent seeing tyson against tillis,tucker,douglas,holy and lewis,that ali would probably beat tyson but tyson ,as this other reader said,was at his prime from 19 to 20 yrs old because it was the only period tyson utilized still what damato and atlas taught and he got experienced enough so fr practical purposes ,tyson was his best ever at 19 to 20.When he beat berbick,he already scrapped the great defensive approach and combinations as afast as ali.this is what he stopped early.
fadethetrade 2 years ago
You can't be in your prime from 19 to 20. That means that you are not that good of a fighter(if you only can peak for one year) Ali dominated t'ill he was banned, won olymic gold, beat every body there was to beat. When he came back he wasn't as good anymore, still he defeated Frazier, Norton, FOREMAN, Shavers,...
I don't know what you mean with Berbick. There is no compare what so ever between Ali and Berbick. Berbick wasn't in the same league as Ali,he won against parkison-Ali.
bcibibcibcpCB 2 years ago
let me correct myself,tyson fought his best with the techniqiue taught to him by atlas,damato and rooney at about 20 yrs old because his greatest asset was his biggest downfall,(defensive first ability) not the punching power which is what the media sold.Tyson followed the plan of technique better at 19 and 20 then at 22 or 23 and god forbid 25,26, and a shell of what he was when he faced holyfield in 96.
fadethetrade 2 years ago
the tyson to put in front of ali,lewis,holy,holmes all in their prime was this tyson thru the berbick fight.the tyson after berbick was done.he lost his head and didnt follow the defensive first with jab first approach followed by combinations.even teddy atlas maintained tyson wasnt the same after 1986 with his defensive mode.This is what he needed to beat the boxers and the slick pros.
fadethetrade 2 years ago
I dont recall ever seeing the tyson of 19 to 20 ever throw a one punch attack as he did after berbick with everyone else thru lewis in 2002.Not one time.This was why the better fighters knew to step in on tysons one punch lunges.Here ,he is a very difficult man to beat in the ring.Tillis fought the best ali/douglas style type fight of his life here and tyson barely lost a round and didnt allow tillis to get too much on him.The tillis rounds were extremely close to even give tillis.
fadethetrade 2 years ago
a fighters prime is 25 to 29 but if you begin fighting grown men and sparring partners at 12 yrs old,you reach a level of intensity by 20 but in all those years,you can burn out by 25 especially if you have a warped character like tyson did and all the woman and money made him bored to keep training the correct way and fighting that same way.Tyson fought his own way after 1986.
fadethetrade 2 years ago
@falseistrue HAHA Tillis lost to Frazier's son, Pinklon Thomas, Witherspoon, and Mike Weaver before fighting and being the first man to take Tyson the distance! He has all the stamina of a drowned kitten! All of his fights prior he lost stamina and was outpointed. Did I mention that Tillis record was like 26-4 before fighitng Tyson! A mediocre record! Tillis is a bum!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 19 asshole that all i have to say..fuck you and your dumbass theory. Tyson was a TEENAGER beating the shit out of grown ass men! Champ at 20 and Undisputed by 21..say what the fuck you want. Ali, foreman fought BUMS with 20-10 records and some of them were LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHTS!!!!! Ali first fucking 20 fights were against fucking 180lb fighters thin ass white boys put Ali on his ASS TWICE!!! Shut ya dumb ass up...Potater head asshole.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Oh did I hurt your feelings. Not an opinion. All those were true. Before Tyson, Tillis ALWAYS started strong for 3 rounds and tired, then was taken out on points by the previous fighters I mentioned. Some think he was allergic to his previous sports diet, and had it replaced prior to Tyson, and this was the ONLY night Tillis didnt drop dead of exhaustion. the commentators even mention his condition in this fight. Look up his record. He got beat by every big name. Tillis is 42-22.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue Name someone Tillis beat. If Tillis, who was known to tire out in a few rounds, by some miracle was able to hold off Tyson. What do you think Prime Lewis, Holmes, Ali do to him? Tyson was KO'd by Buster Douglas! Floyd PAtterson also won the title at 21! Does that mean hes a beat for beating up adults, despite, just exiting his teen years? Your love of Tyson is blinding you to facts. Look up Tillis' histroy for yourself! No opinions. Just straight up facts and inference.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 You are just fucking STUPID! Tyson was a fucking KID still learning you fucking asshole. Name ANY fucking fighter at 21 facing nothing but world champ you piece of shit. Ali faced BUMS, Foreman faced BUMS..its how they develop fighters you ASSHOLE. ALL of foreman opponents were BUMS! PUT MONEY UP ASSHOLE..THEY ALL FACE BUMS you peace of shit!! GO CHECK the opponents of ALI, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, etc ALL FUCKING BUMS!! Go learn boxing you dumbass.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Floyd Patterson was fighitng champs at 21 moron. Wilfredo Benitez was a world Champ at age 17. Ali beat Chuvalo, Norton, Frazier, Terel, Patterson, Liston, Bonavena, and more. Ali was only 2 years older than Tyson when he won the belt. Old Foreman was able to go the distance with Prime, young Holyfield (being the first to do so after Holyfield went to heavyweight) Tyson got his ass put on the floor with old, hepatitis Holyfield. I know more about boxing then you. I fought amateur!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue Young Tyson couldnt knockout Tillis, Bonecrusher, or Green. like he'd be able to KO Ali or Foreman. D'Amato even admitted to Tyson that Foreman would destroy someone with Tyson's style. You need to get educated, and stop believing in all of Tyson's hype. Yes Tyson was talented, but he was also a media machine, and managed by a team set up by D'Amato. these arent opinions. But facts and inference
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Im done with your dumbass..I guess the media knocked out everybody tyson koed to. Shut ya fucking stupid ass up..styles makes fights asshole..its always hard for a puncher to ko a boxer you fucking dumbass. That is why Floyd mayweather is gonna beat the shit out of pacroid. Tyson was the FIRST EVER "HEAVYWEIGHT" power puncher with speed of a fucking lightweight you fucking dummy..that is what made him famous. Ali was fast NO POWER..he was actually a LIGHT Heavy you dumb bastard.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Ali was faster, and George's style beats on Tyson's style. Styles make fights. according to your own admission. Tyson's speed wouldnt mean anything after George hits him to the body and takes away that speed. And if a boxer beats a puncher, than Ali beats tyson too. And tyson wouldnt have gotten a title shot at 20 without Don King or Jim Jacobs helping him out. Deny all you want. But doesnt stop the fact that Buster Journeyman Douglas put 23 year old Tyson down for the count.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Ali was NOT a boxer PUNCHER he was just a BOXER..no heavy hands like BOXER PUNCHERS Robinson, Jack Johnson, Lewis, Louis, etc..!! That is why Frazier was able to last all those dam rounds and beat Ali. Tyson style was MUCH MORE effective than Frazier's, who was a BUM by the way, and Tyson had speed, head movement, and POWER. In their PRIME Tyson BY FAR was better than Ali who was knocked down TWICE by 180lb BUMS. So shut the fuck up asshole! Foreman was a fucking BUM to.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue *Styles make fights* Tyson was knocked out by Williams, Douglas, Lewis, and Holyfield. Name someone who knocked out Ali! Frazier beat Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis, Ali, and Terrel. All hall of famers. Why isnt Tyson in the hall of fame? Tyson couldnt KO Tillis, Green, nor Boncrusher. All bums. Tyson even ducked Foreman in 1990, despite fighting him would mean millions and a title shot right after. Ali has more power than you think. Remember bonavena and Foreman? Even Liston admitted it.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Just like Tyson introduced a NEW ERA of a Heavyweight with Speed, quickness, and Power that was never seen before and he destroyed his era...Tyson later in his career was fighting in a NEW ERA of SUPER HEAVYWEIGHTS with speed, quickness, and power you fucking dumbass. Ali had his jaw BROKE by Norton a fucking BUM that always won the title in BOARD ROOMS. Ali V Foreman was supposed to be CANCELED due to Foreman having his head bust open in sparring and had stitches in his head!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Imagine today Pacroid or Mayweather suffering a cut in sparring that need Stitches..ThAT FIGHT WOULD BE CANCELED! Ali got LUCKY that DON KING forced Foreman to fight..! End result he got his BUM ASS KOED BY PILLOW HAND ALI. 70's was a era of BUMS with great marketing..you dont know SHIT about that era which is why you sound like an ASSHOLE. GREAT MARKETING made the 70's era. I could show you the strategy they used back then and it EXACTLY what Mayweather is using today!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Ali fought 180lbers & OLD ASS NAMED FIGHTERS at 21. TYSON fought MUCH BETTER COMPETITION coming up to get the title..!! ALI fought FUCKING LIGHT HEAVY ARCHIE MOORE who was fucking 46..! Patterson was a LIGHT HEAVY..! LISTON TOOK DIVES..! Ali fought Cleveland Williams who almost DIED 8 months before the fight due to being SHOT..! Frazier NEVER beat a champ for the BELT even in the OLYMPICS he got a free ride! SPINKS was fucking 6-0 and BEAT ALI..! Norton Paper Champ! Foreman BUM!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Mayweather didnt KO Castillo but KOED Hatton who KOED Castillo..shut ya fucking stupid ass up with your child boxing theory asshole..
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Syle's male fights. you admitted it. Foreman had an easy time with Frazier, Frazier gave Ali a hard time. Ali had an easy time with Foreman. That's the science of the game. Any trainer or boxer worth his salt will tell you that basic rule. and Yes Ali was knocked down by people, but ALWAYS got up. Tyson gets knocked down once, and you know he's eventually gonna be knocked out in the fight. Frazier had a better chin than Tyson and more stamina. Tyson never had a KO passed round 8
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Liston to your stupid ass.. FRAZIER GAVE ALI A HARD TIME..RIGHT? Are you telling me FRAZIER is BETTER than MIKE TYSON??? FRazier's style was APPLYING PRESSURE to Ali which ALI could NOT handle..!! Tyson was MUCH BETTER than Frazier..MUCH QUICKER..MUCH FASTER..MUCH MORE POWER...you dumbass. THAT STYLE GAVE ALI PROBLEMS WHICH WAS MASTERED BY MIKE TYSON you ASSHOLE! Frazier had NO HEAD MOVEMENT which is why the jab was ALI ONLY defense. HOLMES jab tyson RAN THROUGH and KOED him!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@P I guess you didnt watch the Jose Ribalta fight who was KNOCKED OUT IN RD 10..asshole. Like I said you dont know shit.. Your talking as if KOING from round 1-8 is a bad thing you dumbass. Tyson had 50 fights and only FIVE went the distance! ALi had 56 fights and 18 went the distance!! stupid peace of shit..! Later in his career Tyson lost just as ALL GREAT CHAMPS! Tyson was fighting MUCH BIGGER GUYS with skills..Mcbride was fucking 271lbs..! Williams 265! Lewis 250! NOT fight night weight!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue That was the ONLY fight that Tyson had that actually went past round 8. Name another. And Ribalta was a damn bum! What accomplishments did he have? And yes it is bad. Because after round 8 Tyson had no knockout power left. Something YOU idolize. Frazier had Ko's in round 11, and knocked down people as far as 15! When it went to round 8 Tyson either got the decision or was KO'd. Ha ha! Catchweight? it's the heavyweight division! No one fights at a catch weight in heavy!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue Who cares if Ali didnt have one punch knockout power? That's not what made him great! He was a 200lb+ guy moving like a lightweight. If you want Knockout power, watch Foreman, Moorer, Cooney, Liston or Shavers. ALL hit harder than Tyson by Tyson's own admission. Mike has like 44 KO's Foreman had like 69 knockouts, and was knocking people out at 40! When Tyson was already retired! Archie Moore has an official 141 KO's. Potentially more, in unsanctioned pseudonym bouts!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue Tyson was small, that's how he was, dont blame him for fighitng bigger guys. Its the HEAVYWEIGHT diviison. Not the medium-weight division. It's FULL of 240+ lbs giants. Next your gonna say it would;ve been more fair if Tyson fought 5"11 lightheavies.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Ali would have got his ass kicked against todays heavyweights! So shut the fuck up. They are bigger and much stronger than the old ass 70s fighters. Foreman ONLY competed in the new Era because he used the same strategy as ALI..!! He fought Bums and LIGHT HEAVYS..a very smart move he learned from the management of ALI..so shut the fuck up. The Klitschkos would KO Ali..Ali had NO POWER..Tyson style in his prime would DESTROY BOTH Klitschkos. Your just a fucking hater and ignorant
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Ali would kill the weak heavyweight divison today. Not to say that Tyson wouldnt either, but look how poor the division is! George didnt learn anything about management from Ali. So no, that point is moot. And Foreman, Shavers, and Liston all hit harder than Tyson, which Tyson admitted in several interview sin his prime. No power from Ali? He Tko'd and Ko'd Foreman, Liston, Frazier, bonavena, and more. Slashing offense. Still powerful, just not Tyson level power.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Emotional? Let me school you. Ali was a LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT from the Olympics..he enter Pro just 3 months later throwing on lbs to make Heavy division. ALI fought 180lb fighters close to fucking 20 of them! He then starts fighting OLD ASS NAMED FIGHTERS Patterson and 46 yr old Moore BOTH LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHTS! He faced liston who tried to BLIND ALI and then the second fight liston took a dive. Spinks a LT heavy enter Heavy 6-0 face ALi around the same AGE difference AS LISTEN V ALI..!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Teh 70's is almost unanimously decreed to be the strongest heavyweight era of all time. Anyone with any knowledge will agree. Many greats aiming for a single title. Unlike the multiple titiles and weak competition today. Also Foreman didnt come back just to fight "bums" he came back because he KNEW he could beat Tyson. After watching his fight against Berbick, his plan was to SPECIFICALLY beat Tyson. But Tyson ducked him. You call me a hater and ignorant when you cuss me out!?Irony
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 The 70s was the BEST MARKETING AND HYPE OF ALL TIME..!!!! Your not smart enough to see it. Its also the era that made people aware that it was FIXED FIGHTS going on..!!! How the fuck did Spinks get a shot at ALI "THE GREATEST" with a 6-0 record..!!! Ali was a OLD NAMED FIGHTER and Spinks management did the SAME SHIT Ali management did when he faced OLD ASS 46yr old ARCHIE MOORE..! The role REVERSED Ali was a Heavyweight facing a LIGHT HEAVY in Spinks! Go learn boxing HYPE..!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue how about you try and be civil and counter my comments like I've been doing you? How about you try and disprove my facts that I have laid before you? Instead of outright saying things, back up your claims with evidence like I have. Bert Sugar, WBO, HBO, Lampley, Cossel, Tyson, Ali, Merchent, Freddie Roach, are all the source I used to back my claims. Who's backing your claims? You think Im hateful and ignorant. How are you with your cussing, insults, and taunts civil?
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Let me tell you something! If you cant think for yourself and have to listen to what OTHER PAID analyst are saying then you will NEVER LEARN BOXING HISTORY!! Numbers DO NOT LIE. Go do your OWN RESEARCH to see Ali fought BUMS, 180lb fighters(20), OLD NAMED fighters, and LITERALLY SHOT FIGHTERS..LOL! Cleveland Williams was supposed to be one of Ali's BEST performance..! Williams was SHOT with A GUN lost 60lbs and still faced ALI.!! LOL!! Bert Sugar, Merchent ALL PAID LIARS!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@P People's OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS..!!!!!! Go look at the FIGHTERS RECORDS..!!!! Then go watch ALL THE FIGHTS!! THEN you will realize the 70's was FULL OF GREAT MARKETING..! Ali LOST to NORTON who was a BUM and got his jaw BROKE. Norton was KOED TWICE in 1 round..! Frazier KOED TWICE in 2 &5 rounds by Foreman! Took Ali the distance EVERY FIGHT! Foreman fought fighters with 20-40, 4-16 records..! THEN FACED FRAZIER and KOED HIM..TWICE! A sign Frazier, Norton, Foreman, ALi were OK.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue they know more than you. And I agree with them. Why isnt Tyson in the hall of fame? Tyson fought 30+ year old guys half the time too. And Lots of heavyweights start out as light heavies you moron. That's because most of them are teenagers, and not big enough to mae heavy yet. Look at Holyfield, he started as as a light heavy, and he whooped Tyson bad! Look at the records of the fighters tyson beat? Savarese? Nielson? Haha and Archie moore was just a name ali HAD to beat. to ger
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue recognition. Moore needed money. That's what Tyson did with holmes. A big name Tyson had to beat simply to support his reputation. And Norton only lost to Shavers and Foreman Early. Two of the strongest heaveyies ever. Hit harder than Tyson. Have you seen who Tillis lost too prior to Tyson and how he lost? Tyson lost to Hepititius holyfield by TKO. And James Buster Douglas! While still in his 20's! What about those facts? And he ducked Foreman despite it meaning money and a title!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@PO OF Course he needed MONEY asshole! Thats how the game goes! Why the fuck you think ALI kept fighting at an old age!? They use the great names to increase the reputation of a young up and coming fighter! ALL FIGHTERS ARE MANAGED THAT WAY. Holyfield was on ROIDS and Head butting..did you see Rahman head asshole.? All your theory is BULLSHIT. Pacroid was KOED TWICE in his early career and won FIGHTER OF THE DECADE. Like I said POLITICS ASSHOLE. Floyd is undefeated for OVER a decade!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue the Norton fight, but at least Ali finished. Tyson tore a ligmaent in the Danny williams fight and got KO'd. and wheter of Not Holyfield was on HGH the fact remains he had hepitatius and was 34 when he fought Tyson, AFTER the Bowe fights, that wore down on Holyfield. And Holyfield headbutts EVERYONE. Even Foreman admitted it. So holyfield did what he always did, Tyson was no exception (except for the age advantage for Tyson) What's your excuse for the Douglas fight?
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue like eariler. I boxed amateurs and EVERYDAY! I saw films of middlewights, lightweights, and heavies from the whole of the 20th century. I had to study and take apart the skills and abilities of all the champions. From benitiez, to leonard, Hagler, hearns, holmes, Dempsey, Marciano. And I saw that Tyson was great. But far from the best. Tyson had bad stamina too, (something he admitted in that Toback film in 2009) and would've suffered in 15 round fights.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Shut ya ass up..then there should be MORE 20 yr old heavyweight champs if its so fucking easy. Tyson did it better than ANY FIGHTER which is why he is admired more than ANY heavyweight including ALI, Holyfield, Lewis, etc! because of Tyson attitude outside the ring Biased ass commentators and politics keep the assholes that run boxing from saying Tyson was the greatest ever. He accomplished more in THREE YEARS than ALI or ANY heavyweight PERIOD. GO WATCH MORE TAPE ASSHOLE!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue what does Floyd have to do with anything? All your doing is calling me names and insulting me! And we dont have many good fighters that young because trainers today are 2nd rate. And Tyson is NOT admired most. he's actually pretty hated, but loved for the controversy and excitement he brought after prison. I have watched more hours of fighters on film in one week, than you have in your entire life. Tyson's best last 4 years, then he got beat bad. Ali may have broke his jaw, during
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 You dont know shit. Excuses is all your talking..you say SO WHAT holyfield headbutts..LOL. Wow your dumb. Look at history asshole..Majority of the greats held the title 3-4 yrs dumbass. Tyson beat himself n the douglas fight.. A lost is a lost but everybody know the FACTS behind Ali and Tyson losing to Frazier and Douglas. People claim the 70s was full of competition but fighters fought each other 2-3 times not involving a fucking title. That is a sign of NO COMPETITION!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue There was a sign of competition. Because fighters all had to fight each other for ONE title. Today, and in Tyson's era there were SEVERAL titles. So the 70's had ONE supreme champ. 80's to now is SEVERAL minor champs. Haha Tyson beat himself? Is that why Tyson ended up with a bulging eye he gave himself? Making excuses for Tyson like he "didnt train" is like sayin you didnt finish college because you didnt go to class. Its petty and stupid. And yes, it does. Because even non title
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 There WAS NOT only ONE TITLE.. NABF, WBA, and WBC were the three belts in the 60's asshole.. This is why Tyson was so FAMOUS asshole..He was the FIRST to have ALL THE BELTS at age 21..go learn asshole. Yes A lost is a lost, but everyone knows tyson DIDNT TRAIN, got knocked down in sparring, and was fucking asian bitches a day before the fight. Its the same with ALI..he lost to bum ass Frazier because years of INACTIVITY due to RACISM by our government. These are FACTS.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue 70's only ONE TITLE really mattered. That's why when someone won the title that Frazier, Ali, and Foreman had. He was called "THE" Heavyweight Champ of the world. Not "A" World Heavyweight Champ. Frazier is not a bum. He has been inducted into the hall of fame, and beat the best like Ali: Bonavena, Ellis, Terrel, Quarry, Chuvalo. And no, all those things are not things you predicted. Oh shit, you predicted swine flu? guess what, we had bird flue the year before that. Oil spill too
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue fights were hard competiton, because even the titleless fighter were hard to beat, TOP 10 fighters. The reason they're not champs is becasue there is ONLY 1 title. If it had multiple tiltes like today, you'd see 3 title fights a fight. Champ Norton vs Champ Lyle. Champ Ali vs Champ Frazier. Champ Chuvalo vs Champ Bonavena. And the man with the 1 title was gunned ay by EVERYONE. That is competion. also I read your profile. You didnt PREDICT swine flu, you inferred it. Conspirator.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POT Like I said DUMBASS there was THREE BELTS in the 60's..! The promoters MARKETED the WBA as the WORLD TITLE..so fighters were recognized more if they had the WBA belt. So you looked at my page and still dont comprehend shit. Go look at my video THE TRINITY. At 6:29 you will see a pentagram showing you ALL THE MAJOR US CATASTROPHES from the PAST and the FUTURE.. I predicted the OIL SPILL as well. If you look at the star it points to the GULF of Mexico. Check the date I created the VIDEO!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Oh no a hurricane? That happens too every few years. Oil spills are nothing new, it happens. All these types of travesties happen in cycles. I predecited early during the election that Obama was gonna win,. Am I psychic? No. I used inference and cycles of history. Such as people would get tired or Republican parties, and vote democrat. But your predictions arent what im here to talk about. You call fighters like Frazier bums despite them being hailed universally!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue Ali is in the hall of fame. Frazier is, along with Bonavena, Quarry, Foreman, Holmes etc. Why isnt Tyson in the hall? Becasue after he hit 24 he was only good, no longer great, and ruined his career by losing against the legendary fighters of his era later. Young Tyson lost to old holyfield. Greatest ever right
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Oh boy your fucking DUMB. You have to be INACTIVE for several years before they invite you to be elected into the hall of fame you dumbass. If you dont think Tyson will be inducted you are fucking DUMB. He just made his eligibility along with other fighters..asshole. Hey you do know your dumb as hell right..? YOUNG Ali LOST to Norton and got his jaw BROKE..asshole. Norton was KOED TWICE in round 1 by other fighters..you fucking retard.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue What are your credentials to judge these people as bums? Have you ever laced on gloves or are you a historian? No? Then you are just average Joe who doesnt know the history. I saw EVERY single Fight Frazier had starting from his Olympic triumph. And Tyson is not being considered for the Hall because of his defeats after 1990. Ali lost Norton AFTER Frazier fool, and he got his jaw broke but he went the distance, Tyson tears a ligament and cries then gets KO'd by Williams!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Wow.."Tyson tears a ligament and cries then gets KO'd by Williams!" How fucking retarded are you..? You expect someone to fight after TEARING A LIGAMENT IN THERE KNEE..straight dumbass. ALL of Frazier, Norton, and Foreman OPPONENTS WERE FUCKING BUMS with fucking 20-40 records..go look it up DUMBASS!! That is what classify them as FUCKING BUMS!! The ONLY name that have on their career is ALI. AND ALI was a BUM. He was just the better bum with marketing and hype behind him.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Ali had a broken Jaw, And Margarito had a broken Orbital bone and they finished a full fight. Tyson quit after tearing a ligament. Which fighters with 20-40 records name them! Now. What are your credentials to judge these fighters as bums?
POTATER1228 1 year ago
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Foreman fought those guys on his comeback as a warm-up matches. Foreman admitted they were people he could beat with 100% certainty. Everyone knows that, name the other bums that Ali and He was gone for 10 years, he needed to start at rock bottom to get back in the groove of things. Foreman was 38-46 years of age and still knocking out people bums and contenders alike. Tyson quit against Kevin McBride at age 38 despite being fine.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue People had higher losses in the 70's period due to fighting EVERYBODY. The top competitors had few losses, and everyone else had shit loads loads of losses. As you get closer to 2000, you see people with fifty victories like 10 losses. look at the Robinson era. You had people with 150+ fights and like 20 losses. And Tyson fought bums too! Bonecrusher? Green! Haha they even took him the distance! Tyson fought bums like Donnie Long. ALL FIGHTER HAVE FOUGHT BUMS. Especially in the
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue beginning of their careers. That's how you start out, you fight chumps, move to contenders, then champs.
Broken Jaw, Broken leg, both severe injuries, same thing. You have a broken jaw, punches to the face hurt like liver shots, if you have a torn ligament, you're just slown down and lack power, they're both handicaps.
Once again, give me your experience and credentials to judge the fighter's of the 70's as bums, or you have NO RIGHT to judge them unless your Sugar, or a boxer
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 BERT SUGAR???????????????????? LOL!!!!!! That fucking BIASED asshole. There is a video on here with him say Floyd Mayweather was a better fighter than Pacroid..then a few weeks later after ARUM got to his ass..he BACKTRACKED his statement saying Pacroid is the best fighter and better than FLoyd! Shut the fuck up you brainwashed asshole. NUMBERS dont fucking LIE. If you believe fighters start off fighting BUMS than Tyson is BETTER because he faced REAL fighters in his TEENS!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 You are just a fucking DUMBASS. You mention FACE DAMAGE...how the fuck can you fight with NO LEG to stand on..you dumb fucking asshole.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue And once again I LOVE how you insult me and call me names. Nice ad hominem buddy. Your use of language shows how puerile and childish you are, and how you have little understanding of the history of the sport. Had this been a debate with judges you would have lost a long time ago on grounds of unsportsman like conduct and placid arguements
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Its not in front of judges asshole it YOUTUBE so shut the fuck up. ALL of your arguments are fucking FANTASY just like your last statement..! I deal with REALITY ASSHOLE.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue see if you cant back up your own expereince you just prove how full of it you are. You wont say your credentials to prove how trustworthy you are, becaue you know you DONT HAVE ANY. You've lost and are too bull-headed to see truth. You talk about Sguar being Bias, but you see Tyson as nothing less than a god. Hypocrite. I also like how you insult me insteaad of giving a logical, credible rebuttal.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
I usually dont waste my time talking to RETARDS. NUMBERS dont LIE. I can be a 15yr old or a boxing guru..NOTHING MATTERS BUT THE FUCKING NUMBERS. 40-0 record doesnt mean SHIT if you investigate the records of the opponents and THEIR RECORDS are fucking 20-40..13-39, etc! Do I need a fucking degree in boxing to know the opponents of George Foreman, ALI, Frazier were ALL FUCKING BULLSHIT? NO! I know more about the TRUTH and BUSINESS of boxing then MAJORITY of the socalled historians.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue if you dont like to waste time with retards? Why are you so hung up on this little situation? You've been replying to my comments for like a month now. Every single time I say something? I reply like every few days. You reply like 15 mintues later. Why waster your time?
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 YOU are fucking CONSTANTLY COMMENTING not me asshole. I "REPLY". STOP COMMENTING because you dont know shit...go do your own research asshole. ALI fought BUMS, Frazier was a BUM, Norton was a BUM, Foreman was a BUM. The NUMBERS DONT FUCKING LIE..they ALL fought BUMS and OLD ASS FIGHTERS WITH NAMES. What the fuck ALI was doing fighting SPINKS with a 6-0 Record and it was "LABELED" THE FIGHT OF THE CENTURY..!!!!!! What the fuck did SPINKS do to make it the fight of the century?
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Oh go on to your little conspiracy theories. I'm just glad that I won this little debate. I win, you lose. And that's that. But I'm sure you know a lot about losing debates according to your youtube page. Aw well. Goodbye
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Only a little dick head would look to win a debate on youtube..I express my FACTS and you can take it or leave it..dumbass. You lack reading comprehension which is why you dont believe shit. NUMBERS DONT LIE so go fuck yourself..
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue ha, you dont read MY FACTS. so shut it hypocrite! Ha, that proves I win! and you are just sore! I dont need to throw a tantrum and cuss out who I talk to to make a point!
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@falseistrue
You are an idiot.
403766 1 year ago
@403766 Your mother is an idiot for delivering you..out her asshole. you piece of shit.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue You come off as very smug, and everyobdy else is a "redtard" except you. That doesnt make you right, it just makes you look like an ass. If you are not willing to listen to people, then I'm sorry, your gonna be ignorant for life
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POT I dont have to LISTEN when the FACTS are in your fucking dumb ass face..! GO LOOK AT THE OPPONENTS RECORD ASSHOLE!!!!! I dont have to listen to ANYONE! I just need to analyze the records of the opponents..and ALI, NORTON, FRAZIER, LISTON, FOREMAN, ALL FOUGHT BUMS or OLD ASS FIGHTERS WITH NAMES! That was the marketing and hype back then and that is how SPINKS who just won the GOLD fought a OLD ASS FIGHTER WITH A NAME CALLED ALI..you dumbass. wake up. ALI v OLD ass MOORE same shit!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue You say ALI, NORTON, FRAZIER, LISTON, FOREMAN all fought bums. Well what have you done with your life that gives you the right to talk like that. You seem like some high and mighty ass who thinks he is gods gift to the earth.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano Check the records of their opponents ASSHOLE. NUMBER DONT LIE. Don King and MANY promoters back then were CAUGHT FIXING FIGHTS and padding fighters records. Its ON FILE asshole..court documents. You know NOTHING about the business of boxing. You just look at fights and dont know shit. How the fuck ALI fight Cleveland Williams when he dam near was killed a year before the fight when he was SHOT in the stomach by a cop? Norton and Frazier won their title in the BOARD ROOM!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Your a total tyson fanboy, you complain that ali fought archie moore. Well how old was larry holmes when tyson fought him. Before you decide to critise the records of ali,' norton, foreman, frazier, liston, you need to take a look at who tyson fought. You will find he fought a lot of old men and a lot of opponents who had many losses on their record. In tyson's "prime" those early days he sure faced his share of easy hand picked opponents
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano No I just study boxing asshole. Tyson went threw ALL OF THEM at the age of 22! Holmes was 39! Far from Moore 46 and on top of that Moore was a light heavy. Tyson opponents HAD GREAT RECORDS Many with only 1 or 2 loses! and Holmes was the OLDEST he faced! Spinks BEAT HOLMES TWICE and KOED COONEY..tyson destroyed a undefeated spinks in seconds. Spinks actually BEAT a champ! Norton, Frazier NEVER beat a champ for the BELT and were KOED by BUMS in 1 & 2 rds, and Ali LOST to BOTH!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Oh wow you critise moore for being at light heavy and yet you seem to forget spinks was a light heavy not too smart for someone who studies boxing, and take a look again at who tyson fought, you will see the majority had shit records.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
What heavyweight did Moore beat that was great? Shut the fuck up then! That is why I named Cooney and Holmes that Spinks BEAT! Ali was a fucking LIGHT HEAVY as well from the Olympics just like spinks. It is also the reason Ali's career was FIXED against OLD NAMED fighters. Moore was OLD Lt heavy at 46, Liston was OLD and threw the fight, Paterson was SHOT Lt heavy, Cleveland Williams was LITERALLY SHOT in the stomach, Norton and Frazier were KOED by BUMS both beat ALI, Spinks 6-0 beat ALI!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Your a fuking idiot what "bums" ko'd frazier. He was only ever beat by george foreman and muhammad ali. Even his loss to all time great foreman he finished on his feet like a warrior. Speaking of being ko'd by bums buster douglas ring any bells. Lets see frazier only has losses to ali and foreman, tyson has losses to douglas and msbride. Seems like tyson is the one who was ko'd by bums.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
Your talking out ya ASS. Tyson opponents had GREAT records! Majority had 1-2 loses! Holmes was the oldest fighter he faced at 39! How about checking fucking GEORGE FOREMAN OPPONENTS who had fucking 20-40, 16-27 records! Norton and Frazier NEVER BEAT A CHAMP FOR THE BELT and got their asses KOED TWICE by bums but yet beat ALI..! ALI STRUGGLED WITH THEM! Cooney KOED NORTON IN 1 rd and SPINKS KOED COONEY! Tyson DESTROYED SPINKS in sec! Tyson accomplished more at 22 than Ali enter career!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue I repeat so called student of boxing what bums ko'd frazier. Buster douglas is a bum and yet he exposed tyson's overated ass, even more so by losing the belt in the first defence. And yet douglas owned tyson's drug addled ass.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@falseistrue Joe frazier and Ken norton beat better fighters than tyson ever fought. Don't care about norton's later losses as he was old as hell. Tyson faced hadn picked bums in his prime. Joe frazier faced real fighters like buster mathis, jimmy ellis, oscar bonavena. They are much better than tillis and thomas. So shut your ignorant ass up. Ali, Foreman, Liston, Frazier are all time greats who beat great fighters. Tyson lost to any great he faced ex holyfield. And he would lose to Ali.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano Did this motherfucker say 40-12 Jimmy Ellis was a real fighter? LOL! Go check the stats of his opponents fucked up records 35-28, 5-20, 20-41, MAN SHUT THE FUCK UP! Buster Mathis..LOL!!! Mathis was actually replaced by Frazier in the olympics..so frazier got a FREE RIDE to the fucking Olympics! His career was complete fucking LUCK! Bonavena..LOL!!!! You are the product of fucking biased ass 1970s propaganda and MARKETING HYPE! Do ya homework asshole! NUMBERS DONT LIE!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Your a fucking idiot, check the records of the men at the time frazier fought them, you fucking fool. A guy could be fighting to the age of sixty and rack up a load of losses from 40+. It wouldn't change the fact he was once a great fighter. You know fuck all about boxing. Go back to sucking tyson's dick you little bitch.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
You are one true DUMB asshole. At 35, Jimmy Ellis was fucking 39-11 when he faced Frazier you fucking DUMBASS! Thats great to you!???? Ellis lost to a fucking guy IN HIS PRIME with a 56-22 RECORD! That is a sign of a FUCKING BUM ASS FIGHTER! Back then they stated a fighter was good if he went past certain rounds with ALI..! Norton, Frazier, and MANY OTHERS are ONLY great because they beat ALI..! ALI was the MARKETING HYPE of the 70s. You got in the hall of fame if u went 15 rds with ALI!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Go fuck your sister you inbred bastard. Buster mathis was undefeated when frazier fought him, but you will probably claim he had 20 losses. You make shit up as you go along. This is the facts frazier only ever lost to two men, ali and foreman. In contrast to tyson being knocked out ny bums like buster douglas. Ali would own tyson in the ring. Lets see tyso is a convicted drug user and rapist. Ali spoke out for ends to racism. Ali is a better boxer and a better person.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano ALI is definitely a GREAT person as far as standing up to the government. Despite that he is no different than any other man that fucked other bitches while he was married. It was plenty of other shit he did but was hidden. ALI career was also FIXED. Moore FIXED, Patterson FIXED, Liston FIXED, Williams FIXED, Spinks FIXED. FIXED meaning they made sure to place Ali with OLD or BUM fighters. Tyson is known for being HIMSELF and fuck what the media thinks. Spinks 6-0 beat ALI!?
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Yeah how fucking old was ali when spinks fought him bitch. Your listing off huge numbers of all time great fighters and saying all their fights were fixed or they fought bums. Yet you fail to acknowledge all the bums tyson faced and the fact he got ko'd by fucking buster douglas, (enough said). Your a fucking idiot and judging by the comments on your page, your pathetic little hobby is to go on youtube and annoy people. Good for you. Whatever your an idiot or some punk kid.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
I love it..you assholes fall for it EVERY TIME! LOL! Lets break it down for the final showdown asshole! ALI was 22 and Liston was 32 when they met..RIGHT? Spinks was 26 and ALI was 36..RIGHT? I guess you cant see ALI fought an OLD LISTEN! I guess you cant see how back then the promoters used the SWEET SCIENCE which is all about NUMBERS to make these FIXED fights matching Young UNKNOWN with GREAT OLD NAMED fighters! Tyson had BUMs to but he DESTROYED his.. ALI went the distance with his!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano Now I dont give a FUCK how OLD ALI or ANY FIGHTER is they should NEVER LOSE TO A FUCKING FIGHTER THAT IS 6-0..!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is NO FUCKING EXCUSE FOR THAT BULLSHIT!!!!!!! That is a lost to someone who just started learning the game and he BEAT ALI..!! Like I said It goes to show the competition was BULLSHIT filled with great MARKETING HYPE and you assholes fell for it..! Tyson was 20 and Berbick was 32! Do you see how it works? Tyson DESTROYED his opponents ALI DIDNT!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue I'm no longer replying to you, as your 99% likely some loser or punk kid. One look at your page shows how pathetic you are. You enjoy finding people to annoy, you haven't a single boxing video favourited on your page, you go on boxrec and act like you know anything about boxing. Judging from comments you have left people your obsessed with "winning" debates. Your some sad loser. Putting up video's saying you predicted swine flu. You clearly have no social life, I won't be replying.
XavierMarciano 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano RUN..RUN...I speak common sense and FACTS... you speak from fucking hearsay and EMOTIONS. ALI was a small over hyped marketing machine. He was good but he was NOT GREAT based on just looking at the competition and the competition his opponents faced..! That shit has NOTHING to do with MY OPINION..!! Its right in your FACE...NUMBERS DONT LIE. If someone is 10,000-0 and you look at his opponents and they all were 0-900 what does that tell you asshole? THE COMPETITION WAS WEAK!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue
Dude you really need a new sport you don't understand boxing at all...
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@falseistrue Wow, even by youtube comment standards you are startlingly ignorant.
huthut91 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano BUSTER MATHIS WAS A BUM who fought BUM ASS FIGHTERS until he reached Frazier who was also undefeated!! Mathis was fighting guys with fucking records of 15-11, 19-23, 17-10, 19-6 and his next fight was against Frazier for a VACANT TITLE and he got his ass TKOed!! Frazier and Norton are the fucking VACANT CHAMPS fucking BOARD ROOM CHAMPS..!! Thats why they got their asses KOED easy by other BUMs that hit hard. Frazier ended his career in a DRAW against a fighter who was 15-1..!
falseistrue 1 year ago
@XavierMarciano
Debating Ali vs tyson?
There is no debate Ali would beat Tyson. People just get so hyped when they see tyson knocking out these chumps.
TheCaliCapitalist 1 year ago
@TheCaliCapitalist there is debate. Tyson had the style to beat Ali. Now styles make fights but it dosent win them. Im not saying Tyson wouldve won but he definetly had the skills to do so. I see it as something along the lines of Joe Frazier vs Ali. Tyson can definetly catch him with a good hook.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist besides he didnt knockout only chumps dude he knocked out the same fighters Lewis Holyfield and Foreman knocked out.
TheArkham13asylum 11 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist Your comment is disrespectful both to boxing and to Ali himself. If there's no debate about a match-up, then what's the point in the fight occuring? Where's the fun in watching a foregone conclusion, and where's the nobility in fighting when the victor and loser are already decided before the match begins? Imagine if Ali had been banned before the first Liston fight. People similar to you would have said, "It doesn't matter, because we know Liston would destory Ali".
TenTonHorse 11 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist Ali-Tyson would be great because we don't know what would happen. Furthermore, Ali competed in boxing because he understood the nobility of the sport in that anyone could be champion, no matter what was said before the fight, and that any fighter, regardless of reputation, had to prove himself in the ring. People like you who say "there's no debate" are no better than Ali's critics who said that Liston and Foreman would destroy him.
TenTonHorse 11 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist hahah you say that but you really dont know who would have won....you can argue about it for the rest of your life but until they actually fight you dont know if ali would have won?? And btw its also a ridiculous thing to say that tyson only knocked out chumps...cause then you can say the same about holyfeild, lewis ECT.
@TenTonHorse I completely agree with your statement to the fullest...people making premeditated decisions about a fight that could easily go either way.
BiggieSmalls11111 7 months ago
@BiggieSmalls11111
Good point but Ali would most likely beat him because Tyson in his prime never had experience with a fighter of his calibre. I should not have called them chumps (you were right) because they would destroy the majority of fighters today. Ali Tyson would be a good fight but Tyson would have to get real close to know him out. Watch how he fought Mitch Blood Green. He won but if that were Ali it would have went a different way.
TheCaliCapitalist 7 months ago
@TheCaliCapitalist Now that i can agree with....but still i always say you cant look at how he fought another fighter cause then you can bring up how foreman fucked up frazier easily than frazier fucks up ali the first time around easily(somewhat anyway) then out of the blue ali fucks up foreman...that chain never really works because its a style that would win either fighter the fight...and from docs that ive seen tysons original trainer(Cus) trained him to fight people that had ali's style...
BiggieSmalls11111 7 months ago
@falseistrue So state your credentials for that allow you to be a realiable source or sit down and admit you lose. be a man
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Makes you wonder don't it? What would have been the verdict if Tyson had fought Holyfield in 1991 instead of going to jail?
brnleague99 1 year ago
@brnleague99 I think it would've been a much more even match than what we actually saw in 1997. But I still feel that Holyfield at this point in Tyson's career would've cruised to a unanimous decison.
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Shut the fuck up Holyfield was on STERIODS take him off and you have a fucking BUM. I guess you never heard of him being busted for roids to the point the FEDS bust in his fucking home. You dont know SHIT about boxing..your just a fucking wannabe FAN. Most fans of all sports are fucking DUMB and CHEERLEADERS that dont know shit about the business and marketing of the sport...and creating HYPED fighters. You can not HYPE a power puncher such as TYSON u dumb ass.
falseistrue 1 year ago
@falseistrue Really what credentials do you hold to call Frazier and the fighters of the 70's bums? Are you a boxing historian Like Sugar who watched fights from front row seats back in the days of Joe Louis? Or are you like me who had an amateur career and learned how to box, sparred, and fought other amateurs, and watched hours upon hours of fights on film from John L Sullivan to Tyson. If not, I dont think you have the right to call those fighter bums
POTATER1228 1 year ago
@POTATER1228 Frazier, Norton NEVER beat a champ for the belt. PERIOD BUMS. They both got their ass KICKED KOED easy by other BUMS but took Ali the distance..that goes to show the competition was BULLSHIT back then..and HYPE and MARKETING controlled the 70's. Tell me how the FUCK Spinks who was 6-0 have a fight between ALI that was labeled FIGHT OF THE YEAR? People lie number dont asshole. TODAY people are not as fucking IGNORANT about the BUSINESS of boxing. OK dumbass..?
falseistrue 1 year ago
damn i live in tulsa tillis lives ten minutes away from my house
13liltrigger13 2 years ago
tyson was not agressive enough in this fight
roundhouser69 2 years ago
james quick tillis came to my home town and watched me figth in shelsea oklahome in 2008 and i got his john handcock lol
Jbb1314 2 years ago
Jbb1314,
What'd you say, you put your hand on his cock?
sal70228 2 years ago 5
lol.. did you liked it?
mrBandG 2 years ago 2
mrBandG,
Lmao!
sal70228 2 years ago
hahaha
mrBandG 2 years ago
I love the code of communication between Tyson and his trainer, no wonder they were an unbeatable team!!!
MaximusDowns 2 years ago
Tillis is Ali without the chin and handspeed. Look how much trouble he gives Tyson. Ali would have thrown those fast combos and as Tyson came in. I think Ali would have ko'd Tyson late.
henry9261 3 years ago 4
you forgot to add with the power.
da18yearoldman 3 years ago
Tyson was a fucking TEEN at 19!! Tillis was 29yrs old!!!! LOL!!! You people forget tyson was a teen fighting and destroying grown ass men!!
falseistrue 2 years ago
mike quick tyson vs james tillis
badbadbiatchh 4 years ago