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  • They listen to Thats not my name when they work out...?

  • oh shit BRO! thats fully SICK bro!

  • To all those assessing the players' bench press: He is training for a sport, not to simply 'bench' more. The gym work needs to sports-specific and mimic the sporting movements that will be performed during a match. As a result, there is justification for performing a smaller range of movement as this will closely match many situations, an ideal one being the hand-off. Also, on the argument of range, It doesn't matter how flexible an athlete is, as long as they're strong through the entire range.

  • i wish i could do lineouts...so i can get my ball out of the tree

  • am not the biggest rugby fan outhere....idk much about the game...but just seeing some of the games on tv gets me pump up....i think rugby is a great sport and should be recognice more aorund the world...am 20 yrs old and it took me a little while to realize how nteresting this sport is...and how dedicated their athletes are..hopefully this sport keeps growing..much respect from mexico!

  • @boxing1023 aunque no lo parezca hay varios equipos de rugby en México, de hecho hay una selección nacional (Se llaman "Serpientes"). Pero tienes razón no es muy conocido y es una lástima ya que es un gran deporte. Llevo poco tiempo practicándolo y estoy complétamente enamorado de lo que el deporte conlleva; trabajo en equipo, deseo de superación, pero más que nada esa mentalidad de ser uno con el equipo, no jugársela solo como estamos acostumbrados en otros deportes.

    Un saludo compatriota.

  • My respects to this guys...this are truly athletes...men what i would give to actually be as fit as those rugby players. if you ask me....MMA and Rugby have the best athletes in the world. period.

  • Biomechanics texts and anatomy texts that I have then make your arguement because if you are basing your argument on antecedents or videos you saw on YouTube or tv of guys you don't know then you really have no foundation to argue against on. The old "I saw x,y,z do it" is the worst reason to do anything

  • @Rich263 the right technique for bench would be retracted scapulae with the glenohumeral joint moving in more of a sagittal plane rather then a transverse plane

  • Putting the shoulders past neutral horizontal abduction makes the fibers of the pectoralis major and anterior deltoid passively insufficient and loading them past that point will cause injury to them and to all of the inert tissue that supports the glenohumeral joint. Read half the bio

  • @Rich263. Jog on. This player is going to be put in positions time and again during play where he is required to push high forces, usually at a high velocity and in an open chain movement from a position way past neurtal horizontal abduction. What is he supposed to do in these senarios then, hmm? A player needs to be strong through all possible ranges of movement to best-avoid injury.

    Even simple gym exercises disprove your theory; clap pressups for example.

  • @atomicpigeon There's proper ways of doing it such as clap push ups. SO in that sense you are correct. This however is not the same mechanism of strengthening. A clap push-up utilizes plyometrics which is an eccentric loading followed by a brief amortization period followed a by a concentric contraction. These type of exercises are done when you have the strength foundation built up already and all the supporting tissue around the joint is capable of withstanding such a contraction

  • @atomicpigeon You're talking about two different things. The exercise is not going to make him any stronger it will only predispose him to injury. Your muscles can shorten a fixed distance so putting them any further past their functional range is ill advised you're not going to get any stronger. Furthermore have you ever read a length tension diagram? There is a point where a muscles length will no longer yield a functional contraction. At that point the only thing you are loading really are..

  • @atomicpigeon the inert tissues. So in reality you aren't getting any benefit from going past neutral in a bench press. It's not the same thing as a plyo-pushup because you aren't facilitating the GTO or MS in the same way, it's not the same rate of contraction, the same load or same position. By the way the main point I'm trying to make is that your average rugby player should not be doing anything like this because they most likely don't have the strength to withstand that.

  • @atomicpigeon this is a professional athlete who probably has been doing plyometrics so his body is more adept to withstanding such a compromising position and he is also genetically selected to be a better athlete than anyone on this site. Like I said before just because x,y,z is doing it does NOT MEAN IT'S OK FOR YOUR AVERAGE PERSON.

  • @atomicpigeon also there is still debate on whether or not a bench press is an open chain exercise anyway. Don't use terminology that you don't understand.

  • You guys referencing bodybuilders and powerlifers are wrong. There is NO benefit with touching your chest. The body builders do this for a few reasons : 1) their chest is physically that large that they can't avoid it. 2) they were taught wrong. 3) depending on the competition they may be required to touch their chest. But for you guys commenting on here you are only putting yourself in danger ask any knowledgable ATC, DPT or orthopedic doctor.

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  • i've played nfl, afl, basketball, soccer..the works. I have to say rugby requires the most overall strength and since getting into body building, they have the best strength workouts and the sport thrashes all muscle groups in the period of a game. I've just got into it from body building because a game of rugby in itself and a protein shake i put on half a kilo of muscle.

  • nz pakeha accents are annoying as fuk

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  • Ko Rangiuru Te Maunga,Ko Kaituna Te Awa, Ko tapuika Te Iwi Kia ora my nephew to much goodluck on your hikoi show them some tapuika stylze mauri ora....

  • The footage of his gym session doesn't really impress me. The weights aren't that heavy and the intensity didn't appear to be too high. But, hey, it could just be a slow training day.

  • wat the heck all you no name guys that are un heard of sure do have alot to say about the cuzzy i guess thats why he is where he is and you are where you are hating about him while we all know nothing about yous

  • he didnt touch his chest with the bench press, believe me its soo much harder to touch your chest and it gives u a better workout

  • @Didthecat12 It depends what you are trying to do. when you touch your chest, you lose the tension in your pecs, and run the risk of over-stretching shoulder ligaments. However, not touching your chest means each rep is different and irregular, and harder to do when you are fatigued, i.e. you may not go as low when you are tired.

  • @Didthecat12

    but its risky..u dont know when u might have over stretched ur chest muscles

  • @mma15 no mast ophoare

  • @Didthecat12

    bro i rekon its harder to not touch your chest as you have to control the weight more. when you touch your chest often you can almost drop the weight onto you chest, with no control

  • @lebbled Not true, I have tried both, can lift almost 20 kilos more without touching my chest, reps feel irregular and just generally sloppy. 20 kilos less with touching but reps feel full and strong. Every strength coach I have ever talked to reccomended touching the chest. The risk of injury comes when people change from not touching to touching without altering weight at all, since their muscles aren't used to the extra movement, especially with alot of weight.

  • @rocker710 your an idiot. the reps feel strong because its 20kilos left. lebbled is completely right. you don't touch your chest so you are working to control the entire movement.

  • @lebbled

    Ugh.

    Not touching your chest means you have a much shorter range of motion, making it easier. I'm really hoping you don't bounce the bar off your chest when you bench.

  • @Didthecat12 they don't touch the chest because once your arms get past that parrallel point all the load is placed upon your deltoids. You might think it's a better workout, but it only feels harder because your shoulders are not as strong as your chest.

  • yeh beleive you... hes only a professional athlete dickwad. touching ur chest means that some weight is taken off for a second and it tends to bounce back up. your not supposed to touch ur chest and your an idiot

  • @Didthecat12 yeh beleive you... hes only a professional athlete dickwad. touching ur chest means that some weight is taken off for a second and it tends to bounce back up. your not supposed to touch ur chest and your an idiot

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  • @Didthecat12 and just destruct your shoulder because you give a wrong angle and the make your shoulder lax and not solid as well for impact

  • @Didthecat12 there is no benefit of going past 90deg. it's actually horrible for your shoulders. That's why they aren't doing it. And actually touching your chest is 1) dangerous because you may end up shearing the sternochondral joints in you chest and 2) you don't get better work out it actually may be worse because if you bounce it off you are using reaction forces to propel the bar up and not just muscle.

  • I was always taught to just let the bar "kiss" you shirt, then push up, rather than bounce

  • @Rich263 Very true for a bodybuilding style of benchpress.In this clip he brings the bar to the higher pec region which, as you said, can produce injuries to the shoulders if brought down below 90. For rugby an explosive benchpress to the chest would be more favourable.

  • @Rich263 If there's no benefit going past 90 then why do ALL strongmen, powerlifters and bodybuilders touch their chest when benching? It's these guys jobs to get bigger and stronger so they make sure they do FULL reps of exercises not the half assed reps the guy in this video is doing.

  • @Rich263 as for the argument of tearing the sternocalvicular joint, that could be applied to any exercise if you exceed your limit. training the reaction is just as vital as training the muscle and in a good training program you will alternate between the two (i.e. full range of motion bench press which helps tendon/fascia strengthening as well as pin press for exlusively taxing the muscle)

  • @rehanb who said anything about tearing the SC joint? Haha wow you must not know a lot about biomechanics or anatomy if you think that will tear. Also there are ways of training the muscle in extremes of ROM but it's not with a bench press past 90. And the fascia is not contractile it's inert. It can't be strengthened.

  • @Rich263 . According to you "sternochondral" were at risk of being torn. (ok my bad instead of clavicular) , what i said still holds true. Fascia is by a long shot not inert and saying it can't be strengthened is just plain untrue. Whether deep bench or not is how it's done is debatable, but benching past 90 as PART of a training program poses no more risk than any other type of lifting.

  • @rehanb I would like to know on what grounds can you say that fascia is absolutely not inert? It's function till this day is still debatable and it's most accepted definition is that of a "crystaline matrix that transmits forces throughout the body" via Dr. Carol Davis one of the leading researchers on fasica and myofascial release. Fascia can cause dysfunction but it does not posses an Alpha Motor Neuron similar to a muscle or any type of motor endplate, thus rendering it non-contractile

  • @rehanb it's functional and it is important to keep it in good condition by keeping the excursion to it proper but by no means can you active contract it. You are confusing the fact that you can have fascial contractures with something being contractile which is not the same thing, at all.

  • @rehanb actively

  • @Rich263 If you state it that way then yes i agree you cannot actively contract your fascia. The contraction by myofibroblast rich fascial tissue is significant enough to aid/assist in movement (due to the actin filaments contained within the tissue) albeit involuntarily. It is also through these cells that fascial tissue is strengthened via the increased number of myofibroblasts within the tissue along pathways of increased stress.

  • @Didthecat12 if you go all the way down to your chest, your shoulders pop up and you are more prone to injury

  • @Didthecat12 not touching the chest helps train a different area of the chest.

  • @Didthecat12 believe you?

    im sure theyd know

  • @Didthecat12 no it doesnt, u have to lower the bar till 2inches above ur chest

  • @Didthecat12 as long as your triceps are parallel to the ground, you're fine!!

  • @Didthecat12. It's not all about how much he's pressing though; it's sports specific. There will be a variation in training where sometimes he will be required to bench to the chest. This is mimicing senarios where he is required to exert a force from a couple of inches from his chest (which will be a significant proportion of rugby movements, e.g. a handoff).

  • did anyone else notice that he didn't do either the bench press or chin ups properly?

  • why is his bench wrong?

  • @mrkmcd08 the bar gta cum down and touch ur chest

  • @mrkmcd08 mrk, the truth aboutthe bench press is this. Eveyne responds to the bench differently. Some people respond very well as in they build great muscle mass with very light weight on the bench while others require heavier loads. Some people respnd to thebench while doing hald repetitions while others need to do full reps. Everyone is different.

  • good on you nephew go hard

  • yeah i'd like the training plan too, i bet its top secret though, shame

  • Any chance of getting that work out plan at 3:06??

    In dire need of a decent training regime

  • @llewsedwod Pieces of paper aren't going to get you fit. You just need to get in there and go crazy with the basics, deadlifts, hang cleans, bench press, shoulder press, pullups, sit ups, squats...do them properly and the other exercises are just cherries on top of the cake.

  • Yeah would agree, they are the "daddy" "core" of exercises.

  • i was gonna say exact same thing bro, just basics get started then look at making regimes

  • @pharry4life too right mate - compound lifts every day. get big

  • @pharry4life Mate...this is the best advice I have seen in a long time. Thumbs up!

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