He skips the heaviest part of the Essay....when Thoreau holds soldiers accountable for not exercising their conscious....painful but absolutely important in these modern times.
Bunch of simple-minded leftists ... clapping at the most provocative of the words while not understanding the whole ... they don't really know what they're clapping for ...
Thoreau was not any kind of socialist. He was much more a proto-libertarian
@Rycc1300 Thoreau was quite specific about NOT being an anarchist. He says in paragraph 3 of "Civil Disobedience" that he is not one of those "no-government men."
Thoreau was a libertarian, before libertarians-as-such existed.
@eliezerberry Actually the true meaning of libertarian is the exact same as anarchist. Both of which come from the socialist tradition. Further, anarchism is against the state, not against government. Anarchism is a society governed by its people, not by small classes of oppressors.
The collectivism advocated by socialists is anathema to the libertarian. Thoreau himself, as a transcendentalist, argued for the supremacy and the genius of the unaffiliated individual man. Thoreau was in no sense a collectivist or a "joiner". He says as much in "Civil Disobedience": I, Henry Thoreau, do not wish to be regarded as a member of any incorporated society which I have not joined.”
@eliezerberry The original use of libertarian comes from the socialist tradition. Its meaning was corrupted by those such as Mises and his followers, and the Libertarian party itself. We now have to call ourselves "Libertarian Socialists" just to distinguish it. Capitalism is the tyranny of the few over the majority, and while they will justify by saying the workers willingly sell their labor, this is similar to the pimp saying the prostitute willingly gives him most of the money she earned.
Thank god for this. I have to read this paper tomorrow, and with the *excessive* use of commas, I had no idea what inflection to read many sentences with.
My assumption is that they're directing this at the Bush admin, particularly regarding the Iraq war. I don't necessarily disagree. What I want to impress on ne1 who might read this is that THE OBAMA ADMIN IS NOT MAKING THINGS ANY BETTER. Obama wants to bring hope, and that's great, but Dems - esp this Dem - only work to make the govt BIGGER! Reps aren't much better these days, but bottom line, our govt gets more amoral and disconnected from us every day, and we need to work to rein them in FAST!
and as to the oil spill.... things are looking up a bit... but listen to old Henry David Thoreau.... is this still relavent today... as we look from PAST TO PRESENT...1849 TO TODAY... can we find a way to peacefully resolve our differences... "all machines have their friction.... but when the friction comes to have its own machine...'... there is diplomacy here... can we find it....?
His name is pronounced "Thorough" NOT "Thor-eau" and when it was published in 1849 it was called "Resistance to Civil Government" NOT "Civil Disobedience."
Wow...so well read and even if you aren't American it goes with any Government who treats us like robots to be programmed at their will. It also helps that it is Mark that read this out. He is the sweetest man on earth!
Thoreau felt about slavery the way the present day anti-abortionists feel. He had courage and heart. He knew what the higher law is and what low creatures we are to enshrine wickedness in law. He was a friend and eulogized John Brown. He was a man of courage and knew that when what was right was trampled by law, sometimes force was necessary.
Mindboggling how Thoreau is totally out of our time, light years ahead as we fasten our seatbelts for unlimited and pervasive and spend like it is 1999. He cannot without disgrace be associated with it.
He skips the heaviest part of the Essay....when Thoreau holds soldiers accountable for not exercising their conscious....painful but absolutely important in these modern times.
sandinista138 1 month ago
Bunch of simple-minded leftists ... clapping at the most provocative of the words while not understanding the whole ... they don't really know what they're clapping for ...
Thoreau was not any kind of socialist. He was much more a proto-libertarian
eliezerberry 5 months ago 3
@eliezerberry Thoreau was an individualist anarchist...
Rycc1300 5 months ago
@Rycc1300 Thoreau was quite specific about NOT being an anarchist. He says in paragraph 3 of "Civil Disobedience" that he is not one of those "no-government men."
Thoreau was a libertarian, before libertarians-as-such existed.
eliezerberry 3 months ago
@eliezerberry Actually the true meaning of libertarian is the exact same as anarchist. Both of which come from the socialist tradition. Further, anarchism is against the state, not against government. Anarchism is a society governed by its people, not by small classes of oppressors.
AndrewRayGorman 2 months ago
@AndrewRayGorman You are mistaken.
The collectivism advocated by socialists is anathema to the libertarian. Thoreau himself, as a transcendentalist, argued for the supremacy and the genius of the unaffiliated individual man. Thoreau was in no sense a collectivist or a "joiner". He says as much in "Civil Disobedience": I, Henry Thoreau, do not wish to be regarded as a member of any incorporated society which I have not joined.”
Socialism as such is a 20th century creed anyway.
eliezerberry 2 months ago
@eliezerberry The original use of libertarian comes from the socialist tradition. Its meaning was corrupted by those such as Mises and his followers, and the Libertarian party itself. We now have to call ourselves "Libertarian Socialists" just to distinguish it. Capitalism is the tyranny of the few over the majority, and while they will justify by saying the workers willingly sell their labor, this is similar to the pimp saying the prostitute willingly gives him most of the money she earned.
AndrewRayGorman 2 months ago
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He pronounced his name wrong.
keepcalmycarryon 7 months ago
Why is it that I dont find this funny...
crazywrestler15 10 months ago
Oh! The Brothers bloom. No wonder he seemed familiar.
ThePompousBitch 11 months ago
Thank god for this. I have to read this paper tomorrow, and with the *excessive* use of commas, I had no idea what inflection to read many sentences with.
MasculineMouse 1 year ago
pronounced his name wrong.
MikeSkiera 1 year ago
@MikeSkiera Good point, actually. I've heard on more than on occasion that it's actually pronounced like "Thorough," yes?
HowlinJay 7 months ago
@HowlinJay yes
MikeSkiera 6 months ago
My assumption is that they're directing this at the Bush admin, particularly regarding the Iraq war. I don't necessarily disagree. What I want to impress on ne1 who might read this is that THE OBAMA ADMIN IS NOT MAKING THINGS ANY BETTER. Obama wants to bring hope, and that's great, but Dems - esp this Dem - only work to make the govt BIGGER! Reps aren't much better these days, but bottom line, our govt gets more amoral and disconnected from us every day, and we need to work to rein them in FAST!
yobhsiFehT 1 year ago 2
and as to the oil spill.... things are looking up a bit... but listen to old Henry David Thoreau.... is this still relavent today... as we look from PAST TO PRESENT...1849 TO TODAY... can we find a way to peacefully resolve our differences... "all machines have their friction.... but when the friction comes to have its own machine...'... there is diplomacy here... can we find it....?
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pnwgeographer 1 year ago
This is a great reading of Thoreau and has been added to my favorites.
briandudeathome 1 year ago
Goverments of men instead of the faculty of reason is always bad.
sethmyers 2 years ago
What was so funny about that part? fecking idiots
leesard17 2 years ago
His name is pronounced "Thorough" NOT "Thor-eau" and when it was published in 1849 it was called "Resistance to Civil Government" NOT "Civil Disobedience."
Waldenpunk 2 years ago
Wow...so well read and even if you aren't American it goes with any Government who treats us like robots to be programmed at their will. It also helps that it is Mark that read this out. He is the sweetest man on earth!
cheekyoziechick 2 years ago 2
Thoreau felt about slavery the way the present day anti-abortionists feel. He had courage and heart. He knew what the higher law is and what low creatures we are to enshrine wickedness in law. He was a friend and eulogized John Brown. He was a man of courage and knew that when what was right was trampled by law, sometimes force was necessary.
reginaDexant 2 years ago
I just love him.
mortonsalt18 2 years ago
Who> ? Thoreau or mark Ruffalo? !!! lol
Andrew15870 2 years ago
lol, Mark, but Thoreau was a genious. heh heh
mortonsalt18 2 years ago
very well read thoreau applys well to the times we live in
bearsagainstevil 3 years ago 15
Mindboggling how Thoreau is totally out of our time, light years ahead as we fasten our seatbelts for unlimited and pervasive and spend like it is 1999. He cannot without disgrace be associated with it.
pulsebreathing 3 years ago
with all due respect..."what are you trying to say?"
BRIERFOX 3 years ago
I'd fuck his brains out. I'm just saying.
spiderhgoodlegs 3 years ago 17
@spiderhgoodlegs him??????
gcolie 1 year ago
@spiderhgoodlegs Join the club, honey! What I wouldn't do to get him into bed...
EdNortonisMineLol 1 year ago
@spiderhgoodlegs You made my class worth going to.
Pengin002 4 months ago