RE: "Feminism Sucks", by TheAmazingAtheist, Part Two.

[SickMouth]

Good video, but I would recommend that you look up "Feminist Porn Awards." I can't remember if you acknowledged this already, but not all porn is damaging. I would warn against any statistics that claim that the most-watched porn is humiliation/concercive, or that the majority of porn is derived from coercion.

[CriminalQueer]

@SickMouth I know feminist porn exists, but it makes up very little of the actual porn industry. There was a 2007 study done by Robert J. Wosnitzer and Ana J. Bridges, called "Aggression and Sexual Behavior in Best Selling Pornography: A Content Analysis Update" which found that physical aggression (gagging, slapping, choking etc) occurred in 88% of scenes from fifty of the top rented porn films. If you included verbal aggression, there was an average of 12 aggressive acts per scene.

[CriminalQueer]

@SickMouth I am not against porn as a concept; I am against the industry as it currently stands.

[AelaTheHuntress]

I think that things like unions and having sex work entered into the oversight of government agencies would be a good step in the right direction. Like if the women knew that they had their governments backing in labor disputes with pornographers, they would have more power in the industry instantly. But I think that much of the problems in sex work are labor issues, it's like this industry is stuck in the pre-union, The Jungle, era of labor practices.

[chillinpotato5]

If feminists are anti porn, then I must be anti feminist. You leave me no choice.

[CriminalQueer]

@chillinpotato5 Nope, lots of feminists are pro-porn -- look up sex positive feminism. And I'm not against porn in theory, just the industry as it currently stands.

[CriminalQueer]

@Svenhartley Can you offer me complete assurance and evidence that it's all staged? That those women are acting their unwillingness? Or are you simply going off your gut feeling that showing discomfort is acted?

I would honestly like to know, though either way it's problematic.

[CriminalQueer]

@Svenhartley Personally, I'm not sure I'm going to trust the word of a paedophile. But I sincerely hope that on that point, he was telling the truth, because otherwise at least some of those girls were being raped via coercion.

[CriminalQueer]

@Svenhartley I can see why that'd be a problem and I take your point - it's not what I mean to say at all. I was speaking within the context of porn, and to me, penetration within the context of porn seems to be shown as inherently aggressive -- it seems to be about power, about control, about dominating via the penis. It seems forceful and violent, homogenously and continually so. It seems to be the only type of intercourse in mainstream porn, which is why I have a problem with it.

[CriminalQueer]

@Svenhartley Yes, you've hit on one of the major issues there -- pornography is so very normalised, but at the same time can be harmful in many ways. And if you try to criticise it, people defend it, because they consume it and don't want to know whether what they watch and get off to might actually be damaging.

[sonmortanius]

I think your view on porn's a bit one sided. I don't watch/like the sick kind.

It's a strange industry, I think it's because sex is still a huge taboo.

Either you have silly commercials with women in swimsuits or you have hardcore porn. I think society is just immature, bad education on that part etc. If you had more nudity, like nude beaches etc. then that big boobs-thin waist view will go right out the window as well. As TJ said, it's also a market thing, capitalism.

[winstono75]

The vintage porn I've seen seems to have a much healthier balance between the sexes.

[CriminalQueer]

@winstono75 I think you're right; it's the commodification and the industrialisation of porn that has caused the monotonous and sexist (to both genders) portrayals of people and of sex. It's a lot easier to produce and sell a product that looks familiar than one which is truthful. Blame modern capitalism.

[DoriansShadow]

You're right with everything you say. Young women are now expected to have shaved vaginas like in porn, free from all body hair, unnaturally big boobs yet a small waist. Young guys hardly know what a real woman looks like. Saying that, young women hardly know what a real woman looks like too.

[serappia]

only misogynists, woman haters, pathetic little men likes the sort of filthy videos you mentioned about it. disgraceful bastards.

[CriminalQueer]

@theteenagemma But the thing is, we don't know if both partners are fine with it. They are both doing it for money, and they are doing it mostly likely because they're desperate. Often, the women have been abused and traumatised earlier in their lives. Have a look at the testimonies of some ex-porn stars -- Jenna Jameson, for instance, or Raffaela Anderson -- and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Just because they're doing it doesn't mean they actually WANT to.

[sonmortanius]

@CriminalQueer

That's true, they can be all smiling in front of the camera but behind the screens it can be very different. Their motives as well. What porn needs is a Fair Trade stamp on the dvd box :). Sounds silly, but something also with like interviews on them. Not just the action.

[CriminalQueer]

@sonmortanius I would love that -- Fair Trade porn, where you know for sure nobody's been pressured into it. Though to be honest, I don't think at the moment we can ever be sure.

[BoundlessEyes]

Yes I've experienced unwelcome anal stimulation myself. The anus as a site of normal sexual stimulus is not a rising trope I don't welcome. I'm not worried about myself - I'm 24, in control of my life and what I want and consent to. But I'm very worried about young girls. When I was 16 my first boyfriend talked me into anal in which he was clearly inexperienced. The result caused me to cry out in pain - it felt like something was ripping. I apologise for being graphic, but I want awareness.

[BoundlessEyes]

@BoundlessEyes *is not a rising trope I welcome.

[CriminalQueer]

@BoundlessEyes Never apologise for telling the truth. I completely agree with you, and I'm also definitely not a fan of anal; when I get my webcam back I think I'll be making a video about why.

[BoundlessEyes]

This video has been quite traumatic. You're absolutely right. I hope I never find myself in that kind of situation.

[KnoxSabrina]

i thought you didn't like men, that's why I liked you. We women should stick together against rape and male violence. You're cool, but I would like to see more support of feminism.

[CriminalQueer]

@KnoxSabrina Wow. In which case, feel free to unlike me.

Yes, women should stand against rape and male violence -- but you have to realise that to stereotype an entire gender in the way that you're doing is just as sexist as the things I'm fighting against.

Please realise that FEMINISM IS NOT ABOUT DISLIKING MEN. It's people like you that cause people to make incorrect assumptions about feminists. Stop it.

[KnoxSabrina]

@CriminalQueer

You're so wrong about this. I still like your style and I am not going to give up. Letme startagain. I think you and I both agree on the fact that men are the real rapist? Or you believe that women rape men?? It clearly proves who and what they are. It's a fact, they are biologically prone to violence and crime. All statistics around the world show that they (and not women) commit all the crimes. They sexually molest children, they start wars, they kill, they murder, they torture

[CriminalQueer]

@KnoxSabrina Yes, 99% of rapists are men; but that does not mean that all men are rapists. To say that they are is sexist, since you are stereotyping based on gender.

I don't believe that all men are prone to violence and criminality -- I think that some men are, based on many other factors other than their gender, just like some women are. How do you explain female criminals?

Also, Margaret Thatcher started the Falklands War. Men do all the things that you've said; but so do women.

[KnoxSabrina]

@CriminalQueer

Are you joking? That is completely illogical. If 99% of rapists are men, then men are rapists. If 99% of russians speak russian, then russian IS the language of... russians. They ARE rapists. All feminists agree on that. And you completely missed the point. Some women are prone to violence? Maybe to fight back and defend themselves from... rapists? What I have learned, as a feminist, is that we would be much better off without them. How can anyone even be attracted to men.

[CriminalQueer]

@KnoxSabrina Okay, I'll make it simpler.

1. Rapists make up a small percentage of men as a whole.

2. 99% of a small percentage is still a small percentage.

3. Ergo, only a small percentage of men are actually rapists.

Do you understand that?

And no, all feminists do NOT agree that all men are rapists. That's you and a minority of others.

When I say that some women are also prone to violence, I mean that women - just like men - are put in jail for criminal, violent acts.

[KnoxSabrina]

@CriminalQueer

It's so sad what your saying. You shouldn't betray other women like that, we should stick together. How can you defend them, I'm not saying they're all evil, probably some of them are nicer, maybe one or two, but they are dangerous. And let's face it, they're not that good looking either. I believe women are more sensual, women are beautifil. And so are you. Al women are wonderful, never forget that. And you wrote that feminists dont' share my ideas? No I am afeminist sincethe70s

[CriminalQueer]

@KnoxSabrina I just looked up your channel. Apparently your profile was made yesterday. I'm calling you out for a troll, out to give feminists a bad name or just to annoy us.

Or, if you're indeed not a troll, a horrendous example of a human being who is just as bad as the racists, misogynists, and other bigots of the world in terms of your hate and lack of knowledge/logic.

Consider yourself blocked.

[AelaTheHuntress]

@KnoxSabrina You are actually a stereotype being portrayed by someone who really wants to prove that feminists are all man-hating bigots. Stop wasting everyone's time troll.

[lo2enge]

I'm afraid i disagree with your point here in some small aspect. I agree, porn as it stands is not a good thing, and tighter regulation to prevent coercion is needed; however, i don't see the work of anti-porn organisations as any way beneficial, as a large part of the problem is the stigmatisation it still gets. More acceptance and opportunities for former sex-workers has to be a good thing. Have you seen divinity33372's videos? I think UJames 1978 sums up my position well:

watch?v=wrTpJObDRGo

[CriminalQueer]

@lo2enge Oh I agree -- sex-workers should definitely not be stigmatised, and I wouldn't support an organisation that I knew was a part of that. The anti-porn organisations I know of are against the industry, not the workers in it. However, I can certainly imagine there are religious organisations that hate such "fallen women" XD

[lo2enge]

@CriminalQueer Ahh, that is fair enough.. and yes, there are quite a few groups out there like that.

It's an interesting subject, i suppose it stems back to the point i made on part one, in a less male-dominated culture, porn would be a lot more equal and less degrading to women.

[xbertocoaylax]

Do you know that many popular romance novels featured rape as a central part of the plot? These are generally books written by and for women. Thus we can conclude that novels are harmful to women. By the way fantasies even violent and sadistic ones are fine as long as you don't act on it and victimize someone. I've had fantasies about being a Jedi and slicing through a hundred storm troopers and i will likely never act on that. Same goes for sexual fantasies. The videos you saw were fiction.

[CriminalQueer]

@xbertocoaylax Indeed I did know that. And yes, I think some of those novels are harmful to women, since they perpetuate the "women secretly love rape" myth.

I agree, such fantasies are fine if you don't act on them. But I don't think it's wrong for me to be disturbed that some people's ultimate sexual fantasy is rape.

Also, that particular video was not fiction. Google it yourself and you'll see what I mean. Can you please accept that some actual women are being harmed by certain porn films?

[cannibalcountry]

I agree with you here. I don't think any feminists are out to ban porn... I just think feminists want to critique it like we critique any other form of media (advertisements, modeling, music videos etc). We are heavily influenced by media - and people who don't think porn is getting into their heads are deluding themselves. I've dated men who use porn and men who don't. Men who don't use porn are better sexual partners AND a lot more respectful (in general).

[CriminalQueer]

@cannibalcountry Completely agree with you too =) I'm so relieved that you've made a positive statement! Thank you.

[ffasiren]

As someone who knows CQ, I can confirm that she does indeed love sex. Filthy woman.

(I have abbreviated your name to CQ, hope you don't mind.)

Also, if you get enough influence and porn gets banned outright and I lose my fat guy videos I will never speak to you again. You have been warned!

[CriminalQueer]

@ffasiren Teehee, nope, I don't mind. And I don't want porn banned outright, dear ^_^ Just regulated so that no fat guy is forced to cavort naked against his will.

[ffasiren]

@CriminalQueer Oh I am all for the ethical treatment of fat guys. You are allowed to proceed. ;)