ABC News - Vitamin D from UV Exposure can decrease cancer by up to 80%

[CabanaTans]

I think the term that best fits here is cognitive dissonance. Someone will blindly follow what has been fed to them as information for so long that it is impossible to ever consider another view or thought, even when that information is in direct conflict with what they instinctively know to be true. Such as, the sun gives the earth and it's creatures life. But someone in a labcoat told Rafedile the sun is the enemy and sunscreen was good for them. Same people said tobaco was good in the 50's

[Rafedile]

@CabanaTans

Never said sunscreen was good for you. Way to pull that out of your ass. Vitamin D is good for you. You can get it from the sun, or from other sources. I choose to get myn from other sources, while limiting my sun exposure to lower my risk of skin cancer and premature aging. There is nothing wrong with that, well, I suppose if you own a tanning salon it is, since you know, you would lose money.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile Again, you are missing this huge point like you have a blind spot or something. You can't get the recommended amounts of D from foods or pills with out leaving a serious risk for dificiency or toxification. And, you would like to reduce your risk of skin cancer. How are you going to do that if you don't live in a cave?? Avoid the beach or the pool or any friends that enjoy the outdoors? Just gonna stay inside all the time playing video games? How do you plan to be active and not in sun

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile And I never said "you" said sunscreen was good. But aside from humans natural function of pigment development to limit UV penetration into deeper tissue portions, what is the social norm to allow someone active lifestyles? Sunscreens. Just pointing out facts. Not accusing. Unlike yourself, who knows nothing about me and our business and the fact that we offer extremely cheap memberships for vitamin D production only. The same that a Dr charges $300+ for one use and often burns patients

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile And you don't seem to understand that at our salons we have refused service to clients who have tried to abuse sun exposure by demanding higher times than what is FDA suggested for their skin type or clients who refuse to spread out their visits and insist on tanning every day, even though we have educated them that for results and safety it is best to get exposure every other or every other 2 days. Who do you think is helping to educate and moderate their exposure outdoors?

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile People are going to want and get sun exposure for a multitude of reasons, one way or the other. We are just trying to offer it in a controlled and educated environment. Tanning beds were not invented to lure in unsuspecting victims. Tanners were already there. Tanning beds were created to meet the needs of that market and provide some sort of safety and regulations. I can't speak for all salons, but we are extremely responsible and take it very seriously. Not a fan? Mind your own biz!

[chrspdgtt]

@pedifile Fifth best university? Congratulations! But I have one question for you. Why do you take a vitamin D suppliment?

[Hurley902]

What i love is when people say i never go in the sun its so bad for you and they are really overweight and full of sicknesses that are related to poor vitamin d levels. It shouldn't even be called vitamin cause its a hormone... Why do people get less sick in the summer?? Outside in the sun.Hmmmmm.

[Rafedile]

@Hurley902

People get less sick in the summer because most viruses thrive in winter environments where the levels of sun are low. Its an indirect effect, has nothing to do with vitamin D, even though vitamin D DOES prevent many illnesses.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile We ALL know that the hormone known as vitamin D is effective in strengthening the immune system and preventing illness. The big fact that only one person here is missing is that the most effective way to assure adequate levels of D is from moderate sun or UV lamp exposure. It's why countries like Canada, so far from the equator, have households with UV lamp devices to help make up for the lack of natural sun. It's why the FDA has said that 74% of American's are vitamin D deficient.

[CabanaTans]

@CabanaTans And it's why you can chart the number of serious diseases and cancer cases across the longitude lines as you move south across the globe. Arizona = low number of cancer cases. North Dakota = high number of cancer cases. It's common sense my friend. And what you don't understand is that the skin is designed to find an equilibrium between too much exposure and too little. You think people who migrated to Norway were always pale? No. Came from same descendants in Africa. They adapted.

[Hurley902]

@Rafedile Even though Vitamin D does prevent illnesses??? Summer = more sun= Vitamin D levels up = less illnesses.

[chrspdgtt]

@pedifile And no I do not own a tanning salon. I live on a boat in Florida. Tanning bed or outside is far more effective than taking a pill. I just know the facts and support the sun and the tanning industry as the proper way to get vitamin D. And you continue to live in a basement and be terrorfied of the sun. "An ignorant man always ignores what he can't understand." Bless your heart.

[Rafedile]

@chrspdgtt

Live in my basement?

I go to the 5th best university in the country, you can look it up and figure it out.

I go outside, I live life, I have fun. No, I don't sun bathe or go to the tanning salon because it IS bad for you.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile How exactly to you go about finding the 5th best university? Google search for 5th best? And how do you quantify it as such? What field are they 5th best in and why didn't you go to the 1st best? You seem to think you are very bright and knowledgable, even tho you want us all living in caves. Well, I won't say the rank of my school (could be first, or last, who cares). But I took, among other things, basic biology (and advanced), and basic human chemistry & know enough common sense.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile so a quick search gives us Cal-Poly for engineering, UNC for public school and Bucknell as 5th best in value. Is that the one? Bucknell? LOL No, it looks like you would be a tarhole! Booo! Why don't you go cheat on some exams, I mean get a tudor.

[chrspdgtt]

So unless you live on the equator. You're only getting proper amounts of vitamin D a few months out of the year.

[chrspdgtt]

Time of day, season, and latitude all determine the amount of UVB that reaches your skin. When the Sun's rays enter the Earth's atmosphere at too much of an angle, the atmosphere diffuses (blocks) the UVB portion of the rays. This occurs during the early and latter parts of the day, during the winter season, and increases as one moves further away from the equator. A good rule of thumb is: If your shadow is longer than you are tall you are not making much vitamin D.

[chrspdgtt]

@Rafedile The human body was designed to receive vitamin D by producing it in response to sunlight exposure – specifically, the UVB band of the Sun's ultraviolet spectrum. Since this is the way Nature intended, it should be considered the method of choice.

[Rafedile]

@chrspdgtt

Lets put it this way. The amount of "sunlight" you get from simply being by a window, or going to the grocery store, combined with a supplement and a good diet, is MORE than enough to sustain a healthy being. You, CabanaTans, and the entire tanning industry are using the vitamin D argument as a way to say "tanning is healthy," when in reality they should be saying, "a few minutes every day spent outside is healthy."

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile We like to say both, cause both are true. How do you think African Americans get enough D in small grocery store trips? Their skin type is way to dark to allow enough UVB exposure to create D. And what is your advice to someone who wants to take a vacation somewhere tropical? The natural ability to build protection is there, Africa-Americans are proof. So should they avoid the sun to build tolerance just so they can get sevear burns in the tropics?

[chrspdgtt]

@Rafedile "synthetic vitamin D is the same as natural"? Just like apples are the same as oranges. In that they're round! And you also said "Synthetic isn't always bad."You CAN overdose on vitamin D but ONLY from ingestion. Vitamin D toxicity has never been reported from ultraviolet B light alone. I don't plan on eating the sun anytime soon so you should get my point.

[Rafedile]

@chrspdgtt

And for you ignorant post about apples to oranges. Look up immuncal, a synthetic made protein that raises your glutathione levels. The organic version, does not. Not all, but some synthetic made vitamin D, such as the one I take, has been PROVEN to be more effective than anything you can find in milk or UV exposure.

I am done arguing with you biased people. Look at 'CabanaTans,' what do you own a tanning salon? No wonder you support baking yourself all day.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile Its a tanning salon, not a bakery you moron. Through regulations set by the FDA and enforced by local government we can offer a safe, effective way for people to recieve cosmetic color, protective color and vitamin D. An alternative to reckless outdoor exposure and the only viable option for most people with highly sensitive skin types. But I guess you wouldn't understand that in a cave. Why usurp mother nature with pills when your DNA and this planet were designed for this?

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile first off, it's immunocal and it has no link or does anything like what 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D does, which is disable receptor cells in organ tissue responsible for the onset of cancer. also, if you have milk allergies you should avoid it since it is a dairy by-product and it can cause dehydration. Side-effects for natural D production? None. And let me stop you with the sunburn thing. You cannot produce D effectively if you are also over-exposing. Only moderate exposure does it.

[CabanaTans]

It seems like this doctor is advicating responsibility and moderation. I challenge anyone to find fault in that. Seems like common sense to me.

[Rafedile]

@CabanaTans

No sun = No UV radiation = No skin cancer/wrinkles/accelerated aging = No vitamin D = Various medical problems = Other internal types of cancers.

No sun with Vitamin D supplement = No UV radiation = No skin cancer/wrinkles/accelerated aging = Vitamin D = Avoid various medical problems = Avoid internal types of cancers. = You are a dumbass.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile Vitamin D supplements are to "supplement a natural souce" not replace it. And I'm the dumbass. Why not stop eating fruits and vegitables and just use a "supplement"? Plus, the hormone that has been shown to prevent cancer and other illnesses is a product of naturally produced vitamin D in the skin. If drug makers were able to reproduce that don't you think there would be someone making millions off of it?

No sun = death

some sun = healthy

too much sun = 7% chance of death

you decide

[Rafedile]

@CabanaTans

Once again, synthetic vitamin D is the same as natural. It all deals with chemical conversions. Getting it from the sun doesn't make it any better. We aren't talking about organic milk vs pasteurized, preservative filled milk. We are talking about vitamins, and if you has any background in chemistry you would know that. Also, there is no hormone associated with Vit D that prevents illness, tanning salons made that up to sucker you in. Get out from under your rock.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile So you think man can replicate what God or evolution does? You're an idiot and I hope you're not telling other people this non-sense. "Vitamin D is not really a vitamin, but one of the oldest prohormones, having been produced by life forms for over 750 million years. Phytoplankton, zooplankton, and most animals that are exposed to sunlight have the capacity to make vitamin D." - Vitamin D Council. And FDA law prevents tanning salons from making any medical claims. Doctors "madethisup"

[Hurley902]

@Rafedile Vitamin D supplement = maybe enough and if to much will turn toxic. Only natural way to get Vitamin D is through the sun or tanning beds.

[Rafedile]

@Hurley902

Synthetic made vitamin D, is the same thing as natural vitamin D. Synthetic isn't always bad. Just because you use the word "natural," in your argument, doesn't make you any more right. Secondly, if you drink milk, chances are you get enough vitamin D. And if you take a supplement, your probably get more than people who bathe in the sun. And you aren't going to overdose on vitamin D unless you for some reason take more than one supplement a day.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile Obviously you know nothing about biology or chemistry. Bc synthetic is never quite the same and in the case of vitamin D3 cholecalciferol this by far the case. Supplements are available, but only from other natural sources like cod liver oil. Milk has no vitamin D3 and the small amount it does have of lesser forms of vitamin D means you need to drink 10 gallons a day to get your daily dose of vitamin D.

[Hurley902]

@Rafedile Yes if you drink 4 ltrs a day. Do your research and love the sun.

[Rafedile]

@Hurley902

Did you not read my post, or is your blind ignorance preventing you from admitting you are wrong. 

I could live in a cave for my entire life, and have more vitamin D in my body than you ever will, simply by eating right, and taking a multivitamin; which by the way has no side-effects. The sun does. You tell me who needs to do their research.

And by the way, its 4 glasses of milk a day, not 4 liters. Thats a fact.

[Hurley902]

@Rafedile Then go live in cave caveman.

[Hurley902]

@Rafedile Milk alone is unlikely to be an adequate source of vitamin D. True, milk is fortified in the U.S. (it is not fortified in most countries). Each glass of fortified milk should contain about 100 IU of vitamin D (but on average, it may contain only 50 IU). So someone would have to drink at least 8 glasses of milk per day to get 800 IU of vitamin D. Moreover, most experts now conclude that 1,000 to 2,000 IU per day of vitamin D may be what we need for optimum health.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile go live in a cave. see how that works out for ya... Natural selection and evolution does weed out some of the idiots that are too dumb to live long. So long idiot.

[Hurley902]

@CabanaTans So true if the sun went away the world would die. People are afraid of what will help prevent way more than could ever cause.

[CabanaTans]

@Rafedile BTW, the most recent (independent) studies have shown that chemical sunscreens are the biggest cause for skin cancer and skin aging. More chemicals for you instead of the body's natural form of defense. Works so good that our water supplies are contaminated, ocean reefs are dying and bleaching and fish are switching genders due to these chemicals blocking male hormone production. Just wait, humans are next. Male levels of testosterone are extremely low in americans due to extreme usage