After viewing a wide range of movies, one sees a coordinated management strategy to ridicule and villianize Christianity. Another strategy presents Jews as victims of oppression or as a decent, pious people. Negative stereotypes are NEVER used to ridicule Jews in movies or the media. Correctly, any insult to Jews is met with force by the White Jewish community. Strangely, insults to Christianity are unopposed. US media controls US society & culture. Isreal is NOT your friend.
@locatebob thats because radical christians are a JOKE. you dont see jews going around imposing their beliefs on everyone like fanatical evangelical christians, selling their religion on tv like a god damn infomercial product. theres just way too much to make fun of! so laugh with everyone else and enjoy!
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
@HaroldWillet you are an ignoramus. 1. Why and how would "facing each other" be what's so special about sex? 2. Sex was designed by something called evolution (which explains the "facing each other" convienience. 3. You and other fools here obviously miss the antireligious satire that this movie plays on, which is more hilarious than the movie itself.
actually jesus is arab he was born in bethlehem in the middle eastern area ssoooo thinkk pple jesus isnt white or black or asian or hispanic he was arab!
i heard its about a girl ina christian schoool who gets prego, im going to a catholic school next year (kellenberg) and i think its all about being a saint and all and im like its still a high school though???? there is gonna be drugs and prego girls and all right?
Did anyone know that when God created all things sex was special,why? Because only a man and a woman have sex looking at each other.Nothing else having sex does that?Think about that one.I would say theirs something to that wouldnt you?
@HaroldWillett Thats not necessarily true, gay men can have sex facing each other as well, and so can lesbians. I won't go into details but yeh, they can lol.
okay... people, this is a freaking teen movie about love and acceptance! Please don't preach anymore about how people who are sinful are going to hell. There are forums for that. I just came on here to watch a movie and enoy it... damn!
Well i do agree with you u can do that any ohter time right? But u kno the movie is up above and the comments are bellow so u actually chose to read the comments when u could have watched the movie without readingn the comment.
i love this movie so it push me to love god more and prophet by the way im muslem but i love this movie bcz of the way they love jeses so i love my god and prophet muhamed so bcz of them
it's okay. And my local preists here were just bashing things constantly. They bashed gay people, jews, everyone who wasn't them. My boyfriend is a jew and when i brought him to church with me... they wouldn't let him in. that and my grandma died in a car crash...
Well, that is wrong and, again, it's not true Christianity. Bashing is not it. To be quite honest, Catholism isn't even real Christianity because they believe Mary is diety and divine and part of the godhead. That isn't so. It's JUST Jesus. It's only Christ. If you would like to keep in touch, I can take you through the Bible - YOURS - and show you truth.
um, thank you but it's okay. for one thing, I respect your beliefs but i read what you said about the homosexuals and do not think that is okay. If there is a God, he would accept all peoplev as they are and love them for them. I think that God is a merciful and accepting one. And i've read the bible. It may say that but i think that God is more loving than your giving him credit for. Please don't take any offense to what i'm saying. I'm stating my opinion.
I'm sorry if I make God out to be less loving. He IS love. He made love. There is definitely a God...and He does accept all people - just like they are, however, when the only God dwells in your life, you change!
God is love, like I said. But people have their choice. They can either accept Christ's love and believe OR they can reject it and suffer in hell. Some call it negative, but my goodness, Jesus made a way out! Plus, we did it to ourselves.
God is perfect and we are not. We sin and we mess up. God doesn't. So why should we think that imperfect people could enter into a perfect Heaven and see a perfect God who, according to the Bible, "cannot look upon sin." THAT'S why Jesus came! He came to offer us a way - THROUGH HIM - to enter into Heaven. When we accept His love and His sacrifice on the cross, HE takes our sin and our shame and we are then made perfect in the eyes of God. That's salvation. :) That's LOVE!
They can be if they repent and stop what they're doing. Romans chapter 1 says that God will judge that lifestyle (which is a choice, not something you're born with). It's unnatural affection. God created male and female and all throughout the Bible (Genesis, Dueteronomy, Leviticus, etc) He commands his people not to lie (sleep with, have relations with, etc) memebers of the same sex. But if they will believe the truth and repent from their sin and lifestyle, Jesus will save them. :)
They can be even if they don't stop what they're doing. Believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins is not contingent on where you like to stick your dick, or whether or not you like dick. I can't say whether or not people are born gay, and I don't think it matters. But I am sure that if you were gay, you'd feel differently about homosexuality, because you wouldn't have the luxury of judging other people's situations without a thought for what they go through.
That's just an excuse. Even Paul the Apostle said in his letter to the Corinthians that homosexuals would not enter into the kingdom of Heaven. The Corinthians were extremely immoral at the time Paul wrote to them.
What's an excuse? And so what if Paul wrote that gays wouldn't enter the kingdom of heaven? Paul was never a prophet, instructed by God. He was simply a man who decided to devote his life to spread the word of Jesus, who, by the way, never condemned gays. Paul's words are only his opinion; they are not based on absolute truth. But then again, nothing in the bible is absolute truth.
Paul WAS a man, true, but the entire Bible is God-inspired. GOD wrote the Bible, using the hands of man. Jesus didn't write Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where all His words were recorded. No, He used His followers and disciples to write them, but it was through Christ that they did. I mean, think about it, you have 66 books in the Bible, spanning four thousand years....you have carpenters, doctors, fishermen, scholars, etc. and not one time do they contradict themselves. That is a miracle.
All I have to say to this post is that they don't contradict themselves because the Bible was pieced together by people who had nothing to do the people that wrote the gospels, because that's what they wanted "the truth" to be. There were many gospels and writings that didn't make it into the bible. The bible is not a pure account; it has been translated and re translated, changed and edited many times over the course of history to the point where I don't believe it can be used as literal truth.
But going back to homosexuality, if you won't take Paul's writings as truth, or Moses, or any other Godly man whom Christ used to write HIS words...if you won't believe that, then you wouldn't believe it even if Jesus did write it. I pray that your eyes will be open to TRUTH. Not opinions, not religions, but TRUTH.
What is "truth"? Truth is the words of a man who never met Jesus, who never claimed to be a prophet? Truth are the words written down in a book that has been translated and retranslated, edited, and manufactured so many times? I can't take these things as truth. All I can take as truth is what is in my heart. And in my heart, there is nothing wrong or spiritually damaging about being gay. And you can only follow what is in your heart, what you believe, and that is your truth. But it isn't mine.
Okay. But personally, a statement like "your truth" and "my truth" is a bit wavering. I mean, there must be an absolute truth; one truth for all. If there isn't, than that mean we, humans, have no purpose, no design, nothing.
Look closely at your statement. If you're saying that there is no way to know what's really true, then you are saying THAT STATEMENT is true. What if my truth says your truth is a lie? What if my truth says it's okay to murder, lie and steal? Is it still truth?
There has to be an absolute truth. There has to be a one law for all. It isn't about everyone making things up as they go and doing whatever is right in their own eyes. Because if so, then we shouldn't have laws and we shouldn't put criminals in jail. Rape and murder and stealing is okay IF humanity is instructed to just "follow our heart." No. That's not good enough because most all hearts are evil. Do you see what I'm saying. God gave us His laws and His rules... He gave us HIS truth.
Yikes! I wouldn't say that most hearts are evil at all. The vast majority of people around the world, no matter where they come from, uphold certain things like the value of life, truth telling, kindness, generosity, etc. Because as humans we all have similar physiological needs, like the need to be loved, cared for, and accepted. But something like being gay does not directly cause pain and suffering like rape or murder does, so it's a grey area that people need to form their own truths about.
"The vast majority of people around the world, no matter where they come from, uphold certain things like the value of life."
And you know this based on what, did you take an international census to see how many people value life and truth telling, and which don't? Your statement does not hold much water as there are currently 51 countries that don't believe in freedom of speech seeing as they prohibit the open spreading of the Gospel.
As I stated previously, people have certain physiological needs which compel them to uphold core values, because without valuing life a society would cease to exist and without truth telling no one could trust one another, and as humans, we need to be able to trust one another to work and live together.
By "truth telling", I didn't mean freedom of speech, I meant people trusting and working with one another.
Also, if most hearts aren't evil, then explain why there are thousands globally that rape, murder, steal, snort and inject illegal drugs and cocaine, as well as hundreds that die from drunk driving and suicide? Those people do not value life when committing such acts. Did the terrorists that brought down the WTC towers value life? Do arab terrorists value life when they slaughter hundreds of Jews a year? You're not really presenting a valid case for yourself.
Unfortunately, there are many people who do not have their physiological needs for love and acceptance met, so they engage in self damaging behaviour. There are others who aren't mentally well. There are many people who live in desperate circumstances and commit acts of violence not because they like to, but because they have to in order to survive. That doesn't mean they have evil hearts. And yes, even terrorists and Nazis value life, though they have warped world views.
"And yes, even terrorists and Nazis value life, though they have warped world views."
That has to be the most ridiculous and contradicting statement I have ever read in my life. Somewhere in your line of thinking you have blindly convinced yourself that people who kill others for a living appreciate the value of life. I don't know how things are done up in Canada, but here in the USA, if you voluntarily murder someone else, you are not deserving to live out the rest of your life.
They value life because they are still human beings, and as human beings we need to value life otherwise our species wouldn't continue to survive. Just because they commit heinous, disgusting acts of violence doesn't mean that they are no longer human, it just means that they are royally screwed up.
There's no death penalty in Canada, but I don't see how that's relevant.
Sorry to say, but I am arguing with a brick wall. Everything I have said so far you have come up with every excuse to counter argue it because either you know I am making sense or because you're too self absorbed in your own personal opinions that you blatantly refuse to consider the other side of the issue. You justify homosexuality as ok and believe that terrorists can essentially be good people. There's no point in continuing as you ignore what I have to say each time I respond.
Dude, I don't know why you are getting so defensive and rude. This is just a youtube conversation, and we're just going back and forth with our ideas. But I wouldn't accuse me of being self absorbed since you clearly think very highly of your own opinion. But if you're going to get hysterical than I'm going to stop responding to you. I don't think I've done anything to deserve disrespect, but I sure as hell don't take this kind of crap in real life, so I'm not going to take it here.
In retrospect, if a vast majority of the world valued life and peace, the death count per year would decrease rapidly and the only ones who would then die would be those of incurable diseases and of old age.
Why do we have to all follow the same path and live the same lives in order to give our lives validity? There can't be one way because we are not all the same person. But just because there isn't one way doesn't mean that our lives have no purpose. If anything, it gives our lives purpose because there are so many ways we can shape our destinies. Wouldn't it be boring and meaningless if everyone lived the same way?
This is an interesting question, and I'll get to it in my next post.
The statement "there can't be only one way because we are not all the same person" is an escape goat to justify that there's no such thing as good and evil in this world. Why does it have to be boring for more people to live the same morally? If there's more than one way to get to Heaven, then are you living any better than I am regardless of your life goals? If you ask me, we're all the same if there isn't one single absolute truth to be found.
What I'm getting at here is that you can be gay but still live morally. I can be gay but still go to church, give to charity, and love everyone and treat everyone as my own. Am I still going to hell? Is there really only one way to get to heaven, and that's by being straight? I simply can't believe that. I can't accept as truth that a person can be damned simply on the basis of who they sleep with, just like most can't accept that a person can be damned for masturbating.
There is a Scripture to counter your statement "All I can take as truth is what is in my heart." Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" Truth is not absolute if everyone has their own version of truth. You'd never know what is truth, and what is fiction if you based it on your own personal beliefs and opinions all the time. If my truth says you're wrong, does that make it true?
"If my truth says you're wrong, does that make it true?" Yes it does-to you. If you believe that being gay is wrong, than that is your truth. But it isn't mine. There are certain things a society needs to uphold in order to function- no lying, stealing, murdering, things like that, otherwise no one could trust one another. Prohibition on homosexuality is not essential to keeping a society functioning, so it is left up to us to decide what we believe to be true.
That makes absolutely no sense. How is something going to be true to one person and be a lie to someone else? There'd be no reason to believe in anything at all if truth was what we made of it. If I say 2+2=5 and say it is the truth, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE if the answer all along has always been 4. You can't all of a sudden make something true if it can't be proven as true.
Dude, we aren't talking about science or math and you know it. We are talking about the great mysteries of the universe that have no definite answer. Are gays going to hell? I don't know. Neither do you. Is there some way to prove it one way or the other? No. Can either of us go to heaven or hell, and see for ourselves? No. Can either of us talk to Paul, Mark, Matthew, or God directly and ask them? No. So neither of us has the absolute truth. It's not something you can plug into a math equation.
Math is a perfect example of absolutes. If Bob is 25 years old, and Matt is twice his age, that makes him 50 years old. Their original birth certificates are proof that they are exactly 25 years apart. You have to be intellectually stupid to disregard there being such thing as absolute truth. You cannot set a $20 bill on the ground and say that no one will pick it up and assume it's truth because once it happens, it alters what you thought was truth.
Once again, we are not arguing math or science, but philosophy and religion. Unlike with math, one cannot prove that homosexuality will send you to hell, or damn you, etc. Something cannot be an absolute truth if there is absolutely no way to prove it.
Here is something to think about. If you say something is the truth and someone completely debunks it with logical evidence and examples, then it's no longer truth even if you claim it in your mind. Based on your logic, nothing is truth and everything we see and touch is opinion. I hope you don't have a degree in psychology because your arguments would contradict it.
Have you been able to debunk my claim that homosexuality is fine and natural, using logical evidence or examples? No. When I say that nothing is truth in regards to philosophy and religion, I am saying that there is no way to absolutely prove any claim, therefore each person has their own truth. In regards to philosophy or religion. Not talking maths or science.
You said a man can be a Christian even if he continues in homosexual behavior. Christ never preached that it was ok for 2 of the same sex to marry or to have intercourse with one another. Scripture also says "because there is such immorality in this world, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." And if Paul's words are only his opinion, it must have been a pretty effective and strong opinion to be instructed by God to write them down in a book over 500 yeard old.
He never said it wasn't okay either. The scripture also says that masturbation is a sin punishable by death, that a camel has a better chance of passing through the eye of a needle than a rich man has of getting into heaven. But do we agree with that? Do we regard that as truth, and do we practice it in our lives? Everyone has a different truth.
Paul was never instructed by God and Paul's writings got into the bible because it made the cut, whereas other writings didn't.
The statement about the rich man wasn't that a rich person cannot be saved and go to Heaven, but that a person with everything tends to think that their "stuff" makes them good, when the Bible says "None is good, no not one." Salvation is when we get humble and real and say, "You know.... I am nothing. God gives me breath, God gives me life. I mess up, I'm not perfect, etc" and then cry out to God who became our substitute. A perfect God became sin to save a bunch of humans who spit in his face.
Yes, but another key component to that would be that the rich man has to give up his things to be fully repentant. Because if he keeps them and stays a rich man, he does so because he thinks that he is entitled to have more than he really needs, which, according to Jesus, is wrong.
Paul's writings were more than just those 13 books in the New Testament. And the writings that "made the cut" as you put it were God-breathed and God-inspired. They made it in because God ordained it and made it so. We tend of over-think the simplicity that is God.
Getting back to homosexuality, God IS against it. Read Genesis, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Jeremiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Jude.... it's there. It's just our choice to accept it or reject it.
If your truth is that everything in the bible was divinely inspired and is correct, then I can't argue with it, because there is no way to prove it either way. My truth is that the bible was written by man, not by God, so all the bible proves is that man is against homosexuality, for reasons like it wastes semen that should be used for baby making, it would be wrong to have a husband, as if you were a woman, and no man wants to be a woman, etc.
Here's one thing you completely ignore. Have you ever considered the fact that "one's version of truth can be pure fiction?" There's no need for truth in this world if everyone had their own separate views.
Yes, I have considered that. And I said that earlier, that you have your truth, and I have mine. To you, my truth is false. To me, your truth is false. There's no way to prove either of them, therefore they are both equally true. And there is a need for truth in the world. We as humans are inclined to seek it. But when it comes to things we don't yet understand and can't prove, we just have to adopt our own truths.
"To you, my truth is false. To me, your truth is false. There's no way to prove either of them, therefore they are both equally true".
That is not a true statement. For example, if one says it's ok to shoot someone in the face for pissing them off, and the other says it's not ok, they both can't be right. If it's against the law to do so (which it is), then the person who tries to justify the murder is in the wrong.
Would it matter at all if I were to prove that there is one God and that is the God of the Bible.... would "my truth" suddenly be right? Or would you go on believing "your truth" just because it's "logical" ??
Everyone does not have a different truth, you're dancing around the issue. Are these words coming from your own mouth, or are you consulting a humanist before answering? Your responses indicate that some secular humanist has brainwashed you into thinking that anything you believe, even if it is completely false, can be truth if you tell yourself it is truth. And how do you know Paul was never instructed by God, did you ask him yourself? Of course not, because he lived hundreds of years ago.
We have both shown that we have different truths. You believe that homosexuality is a sin, and I don't. Yours is true to you, mine is true to me, and they are both equally valid because neither is provable. And you don't need to disrespect me by suggesting that someone is telling me what to type and that I'm brainwashed.
No, I haven't. Have you? Probably not. So neither of us knows for sure.
Actually, I think Michael Stipe based the script on his own personal experiences with Christians. Like the main character in Saved, he was ostracized and ridiculed by other Christians for being a homosexual. Instead of sharing the love of Jesus with him, they just told him how he'd burn in hell if he didn't repent. Saved was sort of his response to that kind of judgment. There are more "so-called" hypocritical Christians in this world than we think.
There is a fine line between showing love to homosexuals and accepting the lifestyle. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I agree that FAR too many Christians either bash them completely and run them off from Christ and salvation, OR accept them completely with no negative things to say about the lifestyle that God calls an abomination. Christians need to understand the heart and Jesus and learn that fine line.
I like where you're coming from. Unfortunately, some gays don't deserve respect because even when people like you and I tell them civilly that God is not accepting of their lifestyle, they still get defensive and are like "God doesn't send people to hell He loves, that would make Him an ungrateful tyrant." People who are in love with their sin will never come to terms with their wrongdoings. Ultimately, only God can get ahold of them when that happens.
So true! I am a christian, but I don't think that because I'm not going to hell, and I ask Jesus for help and guidance, that I'm better than everyone else
this is bullcrap!!! a complete mockery of what christianity is all about. just becuz some teenagers grow up in church dont make them a true christian!!
I hope it's the video not my internet spaccing because It keeps getting fuzzy!!!
Hannah071293 1 year ago
-ice skates and spins, thrusts my arms out- Thank you Jesus! bwahahaha I LOVE this movie
hollyisawerewolf 1 year ago
love this movie :) thank you so much for uploading :)))
ohheyysophie 1 year ago
lol wtf is this
JjessXD 1 year ago
what's the begging song?
ghostoftherobot2009 1 year ago
@ghostoftherobot2009 "God Only Knows" originally sung by The Beach Boys. However this version is sung by Mandy Moore
lilymoto 1 year ago
I LOVE THIS MOVIE :)
koalaluvr27 1 year ago
omg missionary??
gamegurl2469 1 year ago
mandy and heather were also in the same movie in princess diaries
Kate31jbLH 1 year ago
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Is this movie good?
Kate31jbLH 1 year ago
After viewing a wide range of movies, one sees a coordinated management strategy to ridicule and villianize Christianity. Another strategy presents Jews as victims of oppression or as a decent, pious people. Negative stereotypes are NEVER used to ridicule Jews in movies or the media. Correctly, any insult to Jews is met with force by the White Jewish community. Strangely, insults to Christianity are unopposed. US media controls US society & culture. Isreal is NOT your friend.
locatebob 1 year ago
@locatebob thats because radical christians are a JOKE. you dont see jews going around imposing their beliefs on everyone like fanatical evangelical christians, selling their religion on tv like a god damn infomercial product. theres just way too much to make fun of! so laugh with everyone else and enjoy!
mlamla5 1 year ago
@dbudell okay. We get it.
gleesbiggestfan465 1 year ago
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Jews and Arabs are semitic ethnic groups, so they're similar. In Biblical times, Bethlehem was part of the Roman-occupied Israel, and therefore, if Jesus existed, he was a Jew. But he would have had the same physical traits shared by all semitic groups and would have looked like what we think "Arabs look like."
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dbudell 1 year ago
@dbudell how many times are u gonna say that?
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Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
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dbudell 1 year ago
Jews and Arabs are both semitic ethnic groups, so before the Jews were expelled from Judea and sent to mingle with Europeans they looked the same as Arabs. Bethlehem in those days was part of Judea, or the Roman-occupied Kingdom of Israel. If Jesus existed, he was a Jew, not an Arab. But Jews and Arabs are like Englishmen and the Scotts... kinda the same thing.
dbudell 1 year ago
the bit with the gay website freaked me out when i was younger :L
DanniiXDoomm 1 year ago
Oh, and the biblical Jesus was Jewish. Obviously.
MikeezyTV 1 year ago
@HaroldWillet you are an ignoramus. 1. Why and how would "facing each other" be what's so special about sex? 2. Sex was designed by something called evolution (which explains the "facing each other" convienience. 3. You and other fools here obviously miss the antireligious satire that this movie plays on, which is more hilarious than the movie itself.
MikeezyTV 1 year ago
FAR OUT I LOVE THIS MOVIE! THANKS SO MUCH FOR UPLOADING! =D
stephiiee 1 year ago
actually jesus is arab he was born in bethlehem in the middle eastern area ssoooo thinkk pple jesus isnt white or black or asian or hispanic he was arab!
yungmula35 1 year ago
@yungmula35 Jesus is the son of God...thats it. Why argue over what race he is? idc if he's polk a dot. I still love him.
KatieM101388 1 year ago
@KatieM101388 i love him too but im just stating the obvious that everyone seems to ignore .....
yungmula35 1 year ago
i heard its about a girl ina christian schoool who gets prego, im going to a catholic school next year (kellenberg) and i think its all about being a saint and all and im like its still a high school though???? there is gonna be drugs and prego girls and all right?
yungmula35 1 year ago
lol ....china
DLex1314 1 year ago
Love this movie. The chick who plays Cassandra is awesome :-)
pipala1984 1 year ago
First of this movie is so funny. Take a look at how short the girls shorts are in the first of the movie. So funny!!!
ontherealdl 1 year ago
thanks sooo much for posting it!!!!!!!!
jossie51894 1 year ago
i've seen this movie about 20 times
legolasgorn 1 year ago
Lol no matter wat u tell urself, after a guy has stuck his stick in u u r not a virgin. Period.
aerogrl87 1 year ago
Read what i said, Gods creation or just creation if you dont believe.Yes a man and a woman can do whatever there own way but not by design.
HaroldWillett 1 year ago
Jesuscentric...lol. Great word.
peacegirl4000 1 year ago 4
okay this movie is kind of weird
cutie3395 1 year ago
Did anyone know that when God created all things sex was special,why? Because only a man and a woman have sex looking at each other.Nothing else having sex does that?Think about that one.I would say theirs something to that wouldnt you?
HaroldWillett 1 year ago
@HaroldWillett Thats not necessarily true, gay men can have sex facing each other as well, and so can lesbians. I won't go into details but yeh, they can lol.
lostchild06 1 year ago
@HaroldWillett you idiot...
some animals can have sex facing each other,
even gays can..
besides god didnt "create" sex for man and woman cause they can face eachother...
its to multiply and replenish the earth ...
3XiaoQiao 1 year ago
"And then where would you be, Rowland?"
"China"
I love this movie.
zer0luv 1 year ago 4
this is one of the best movies i've ever seen, one of my all time favorites =)
ladyserenity2 1 year ago 2
asdas
edtsang7 1 year ago
I remenmber waching this movie and little secrets with my bigger sister Ana and i love the memory Thank-You!
MegaKathy1996 1 year ago
THANK YOU!
gabbytwilightgirl 1 year ago
I MADE MY FAMILY DISAPPEAR!!!!
Srength4life 1 year ago
7:15 he looks familiar but i don't know why
MegaAnime1000 1 year ago
@MegaAnime1000 he was in home alone.. if that helps
aussieelyse 1 year ago
@MegaAnime1000 Macaulay Culkin
UnexplainableIdiot 1 year ago
this movie is so hilarious and so true. all of these characters are true
bunnygirl4life 1 year ago
what happend with marry ??
fraukeve 1 year ago
wow! Mary looks exactly like a girl in my grade! its kinda weird
actress987 1 year ago
Oh man thank for uploading this now I can jack off to Mandy Moore in this short shorts what a nice ass!
CrazyJustin2006 1 year ago
wtf ... that 'vision' is wierd as lol
herb678 1 year ago
CHAD FAUST <3
krysandem 1 year ago
good movie ;)
ccbabii4vr 1 year ago
ya kno...i just now noticed that he said 'let's go" before they did it lol thats a killer!!
chocolateteddygrams 1 year ago
WTF! LOL that jesus bit was soooo funny
lovexx2008 1 year ago
This movie is kinda... sick.. hhaha thats why im checking it out. there are really people like this out there eh? scary...
vim92 1 year ago 16
@langstonwilde25 rosemary's baby?
romancese 1 year ago
cheesiest movie ever.
writerintrouble 1 year ago
anyone notice the boner when he was lookin at the gay porn?
BiteMeEddie 1 year ago
@BiteMeEddie i didd. i hella started cracking up(:
iharthotdogs 1 year ago
I LOVEE this movie
alisharoseharvey 1 year ago
I love this movie...it never gets old for me.
CB21880610 1 year ago 42
You people are insane. :D
xxLynnaaaxx 1 year ago 2
okay... people, this is a freaking teen movie about love and acceptance! Please don't preach anymore about how people who are sinful are going to hell. There are forums for that. I just came on here to watch a movie and enoy it... damn!
Kerwritervetgirl122 1 year ago
Well i do agree with you u can do that any ohter time right? But u kno the movie is up above and the comments are bellow so u actually chose to read the comments when u could have watched the movie without readingn the comment.
JustSuperMe2~
justsuperme2 1 year ago
@Rawk4life - I agree with you
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
um isn't vietnam catholic
withthegeeks 1 year ago
i love this movie so it push me to love god more and prophet by the way im muslem but i love this movie bcz of the way they love jeses so i love my god and prophet muhamed so bcz of them
indjyabd 1 year ago
The band playing on the car stereo when Mandy's character picks up her friend is All Star United, and the song is Beautiful Thing.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
i love the song at the beginning!!!!
GosfordAbercrombie 1 year ago
im not christian anymore and i love this movie! i really think it satires those few hypocritical christians well
Kerwritervetgirl122 1 year ago
Why are you not a Christian?? And how can you not be one ANYMORE?
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
I don't know what to believe. I used to be one but my beliefs changed.
Kerwritervetgirl122 1 year ago
What made you change? I would love to help out any way that I can.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
it's okay. And my local preists here were just bashing things constantly. They bashed gay people, jews, everyone who wasn't them. My boyfriend is a jew and when i brought him to church with me... they wouldn't let him in. that and my grandma died in a car crash...
Kerwritervetgirl122 1 year ago
Well, that is wrong and, again, it's not true Christianity. Bashing is not it. To be quite honest, Catholism isn't even real Christianity because they believe Mary is diety and divine and part of the godhead. That isn't so. It's JUST Jesus. It's only Christ. If you would like to keep in touch, I can take you through the Bible - YOURS - and show you truth.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
um, thank you but it's okay. for one thing, I respect your beliefs but i read what you said about the homosexuals and do not think that is okay. If there is a God, he would accept all peoplev as they are and love them for them. I think that God is a merciful and accepting one. And i've read the bible. It may say that but i think that God is more loving than your giving him credit for. Please don't take any offense to what i'm saying. I'm stating my opinion.
Kerwritervetgirl122 1 year ago
I'm sorry if I make God out to be less loving. He IS love. He made love. There is definitely a God...and He does accept all people - just like they are, however, when the only God dwells in your life, you change!
God is love, like I said. But people have their choice. They can either accept Christ's love and believe OR they can reject it and suffer in hell. Some call it negative, but my goodness, Jesus made a way out! Plus, we did it to ourselves.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
God is perfect and we are not. We sin and we mess up. God doesn't. So why should we think that imperfect people could enter into a perfect Heaven and see a perfect God who, according to the Bible, "cannot look upon sin." THAT'S why Jesus came! He came to offer us a way - THROUGH HIM - to enter into Heaven. When we accept His love and His sacrifice on the cross, HE takes our sin and our shame and we are then made perfect in the eyes of God. That's salvation. :) That's LOVE!
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
This movie is so awesome!
mongreletf 1 year ago
I'm a christian, but I freaking love this movie. Because honestly there are so many christians that are hypocrites like this.
helenthevillain 1 year ago 4
love the girly movie, all christians go home
isabellcarlick 1 year ago
its a great satire cant stand christians :)
XxXMirkaXxX19 1 year ago
@XxXMirkaXxX19 same here
EyesOfAserpent 1 year ago 2
You've got problems if you think all Christians act like this. For the record, this movie was directed by Michael Stipe, a homosexual.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Homosexuals can't be christians?
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
They can be if they repent and stop what they're doing. Romans chapter 1 says that God will judge that lifestyle (which is a choice, not something you're born with). It's unnatural affection. God created male and female and all throughout the Bible (Genesis, Dueteronomy, Leviticus, etc) He commands his people not to lie (sleep with, have relations with, etc) memebers of the same sex. But if they will believe the truth and repent from their sin and lifestyle, Jesus will save them. :)
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
They can be even if they don't stop what they're doing. Believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins is not contingent on where you like to stick your dick, or whether or not you like dick. I can't say whether or not people are born gay, and I don't think it matters. But I am sure that if you were gay, you'd feel differently about homosexuality, because you wouldn't have the luxury of judging other people's situations without a thought for what they go through.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
That's just an excuse. Even Paul the Apostle said in his letter to the Corinthians that homosexuals would not enter into the kingdom of Heaven. The Corinthians were extremely immoral at the time Paul wrote to them.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
What's an excuse? And so what if Paul wrote that gays wouldn't enter the kingdom of heaven? Paul was never a prophet, instructed by God. He was simply a man who decided to devote his life to spread the word of Jesus, who, by the way, never condemned gays. Paul's words are only his opinion; they are not based on absolute truth. But then again, nothing in the bible is absolute truth.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Paul WAS a man, true, but the entire Bible is God-inspired. GOD wrote the Bible, using the hands of man. Jesus didn't write Matthew, Mark, Luke and John where all His words were recorded. No, He used His followers and disciples to write them, but it was through Christ that they did. I mean, think about it, you have 66 books in the Bible, spanning four thousand years....you have carpenters, doctors, fishermen, scholars, etc. and not one time do they contradict themselves. That is a miracle.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
All I have to say to this post is that they don't contradict themselves because the Bible was pieced together by people who had nothing to do the people that wrote the gospels, because that's what they wanted "the truth" to be. There were many gospels and writings that didn't make it into the bible. The bible is not a pure account; it has been translated and re translated, changed and edited many times over the course of history to the point where I don't believe it can be used as literal truth.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
But going back to homosexuality, if you won't take Paul's writings as truth, or Moses, or any other Godly man whom Christ used to write HIS words...if you won't believe that, then you wouldn't believe it even if Jesus did write it. I pray that your eyes will be open to TRUTH. Not opinions, not religions, but TRUTH.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
What is "truth"? Truth is the words of a man who never met Jesus, who never claimed to be a prophet? Truth are the words written down in a book that has been translated and retranslated, edited, and manufactured so many times? I can't take these things as truth. All I can take as truth is what is in my heart. And in my heart, there is nothing wrong or spiritually damaging about being gay. And you can only follow what is in your heart, what you believe, and that is your truth. But it isn't mine.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Okay. But personally, a statement like "your truth" and "my truth" is a bit wavering. I mean, there must be an absolute truth; one truth for all. If there isn't, than that mean we, humans, have no purpose, no design, nothing.
Look closely at your statement. If you're saying that there is no way to know what's really true, then you are saying THAT STATEMENT is true. What if my truth says your truth is a lie? What if my truth says it's okay to murder, lie and steal? Is it still truth?
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
There has to be an absolute truth. There has to be a one law for all. It isn't about everyone making things up as they go and doing whatever is right in their own eyes. Because if so, then we shouldn't have laws and we shouldn't put criminals in jail. Rape and murder and stealing is okay IF humanity is instructed to just "follow our heart." No. That's not good enough because most all hearts are evil. Do you see what I'm saying. God gave us His laws and His rules... He gave us HIS truth.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
Yikes! I wouldn't say that most hearts are evil at all. The vast majority of people around the world, no matter where they come from, uphold certain things like the value of life, truth telling, kindness, generosity, etc. Because as humans we all have similar physiological needs, like the need to be loved, cared for, and accepted. But something like being gay does not directly cause pain and suffering like rape or murder does, so it's a grey area that people need to form their own truths about.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
"The vast majority of people around the world, no matter where they come from, uphold certain things like the value of life."
And you know this based on what, did you take an international census to see how many people value life and truth telling, and which don't? Your statement does not hold much water as there are currently 51 countries that don't believe in freedom of speech seeing as they prohibit the open spreading of the Gospel.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
As I stated previously, people have certain physiological needs which compel them to uphold core values, because without valuing life a society would cease to exist and without truth telling no one could trust one another, and as humans, we need to be able to trust one another to work and live together.
By "truth telling", I didn't mean freedom of speech, I meant people trusting and working with one another.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Also, if most hearts aren't evil, then explain why there are thousands globally that rape, murder, steal, snort and inject illegal drugs and cocaine, as well as hundreds that die from drunk driving and suicide? Those people do not value life when committing such acts. Did the terrorists that brought down the WTC towers value life? Do arab terrorists value life when they slaughter hundreds of Jews a year? You're not really presenting a valid case for yourself.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Unfortunately, there are many people who do not have their physiological needs for love and acceptance met, so they engage in self damaging behaviour. There are others who aren't mentally well. There are many people who live in desperate circumstances and commit acts of violence not because they like to, but because they have to in order to survive. That doesn't mean they have evil hearts. And yes, even terrorists and Nazis value life, though they have warped world views.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
"And yes, even terrorists and Nazis value life, though they have warped world views."
That has to be the most ridiculous and contradicting statement I have ever read in my life. Somewhere in your line of thinking you have blindly convinced yourself that people who kill others for a living appreciate the value of life. I don't know how things are done up in Canada, but here in the USA, if you voluntarily murder someone else, you are not deserving to live out the rest of your life.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
They value life because they are still human beings, and as human beings we need to value life otherwise our species wouldn't continue to survive. Just because they commit heinous, disgusting acts of violence doesn't mean that they are no longer human, it just means that they are royally screwed up.
There's no death penalty in Canada, but I don't see how that's relevant.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Sorry to say, but I am arguing with a brick wall. Everything I have said so far you have come up with every excuse to counter argue it because either you know I am making sense or because you're too self absorbed in your own personal opinions that you blatantly refuse to consider the other side of the issue. You justify homosexuality as ok and believe that terrorists can essentially be good people. There's no point in continuing as you ignore what I have to say each time I respond.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Dude, I don't know why you are getting so defensive and rude. This is just a youtube conversation, and we're just going back and forth with our ideas. But I wouldn't accuse me of being self absorbed since you clearly think very highly of your own opinion. But if you're going to get hysterical than I'm going to stop responding to you. I don't think I've done anything to deserve disrespect, but I sure as hell don't take this kind of crap in real life, so I'm not going to take it here.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
In retrospect, if a vast majority of the world valued life and peace, the death count per year would decrease rapidly and the only ones who would then die would be those of incurable diseases and of old age.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Why do we have to all follow the same path and live the same lives in order to give our lives validity? There can't be one way because we are not all the same person. But just because there isn't one way doesn't mean that our lives have no purpose. If anything, it gives our lives purpose because there are so many ways we can shape our destinies. Wouldn't it be boring and meaningless if everyone lived the same way?
This is an interesting question, and I'll get to it in my next post.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
The statement "there can't be only one way because we are not all the same person" is an escape goat to justify that there's no such thing as good and evil in this world. Why does it have to be boring for more people to live the same morally? If there's more than one way to get to Heaven, then are you living any better than I am regardless of your life goals? If you ask me, we're all the same if there isn't one single absolute truth to be found.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
What I'm getting at here is that you can be gay but still live morally. I can be gay but still go to church, give to charity, and love everyone and treat everyone as my own. Am I still going to hell? Is there really only one way to get to heaven, and that's by being straight? I simply can't believe that. I can't accept as truth that a person can be damned simply on the basis of who they sleep with, just like most can't accept that a person can be damned for masturbating.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
There is a Scripture to counter your statement "All I can take as truth is what is in my heart." Jeremiah 17:9 says "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?" Truth is not absolute if everyone has their own version of truth. You'd never know what is truth, and what is fiction if you based it on your own personal beliefs and opinions all the time. If my truth says you're wrong, does that make it true?
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
"If my truth says you're wrong, does that make it true?" Yes it does-to you. If you believe that being gay is wrong, than that is your truth. But it isn't mine. There are certain things a society needs to uphold in order to function- no lying, stealing, murdering, things like that, otherwise no one could trust one another. Prohibition on homosexuality is not essential to keeping a society functioning, so it is left up to us to decide what we believe to be true.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
That makes absolutely no sense. How is something going to be true to one person and be a lie to someone else? There'd be no reason to believe in anything at all if truth was what we made of it. If I say 2+2=5 and say it is the truth, THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE if the answer all along has always been 4. You can't all of a sudden make something true if it can't be proven as true.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Dude, we aren't talking about science or math and you know it. We are talking about the great mysteries of the universe that have no definite answer. Are gays going to hell? I don't know. Neither do you. Is there some way to prove it one way or the other? No. Can either of us go to heaven or hell, and see for ourselves? No. Can either of us talk to Paul, Mark, Matthew, or God directly and ask them? No. So neither of us has the absolute truth. It's not something you can plug into a math equation.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Math is a perfect example of absolutes. If Bob is 25 years old, and Matt is twice his age, that makes him 50 years old. Their original birth certificates are proof that they are exactly 25 years apart. You have to be intellectually stupid to disregard there being such thing as absolute truth. You cannot set a $20 bill on the ground and say that no one will pick it up and assume it's truth because once it happens, it alters what you thought was truth.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Once again, we are not arguing math or science, but philosophy and religion. Unlike with math, one cannot prove that homosexuality will send you to hell, or damn you, etc. Something cannot be an absolute truth if there is absolutely no way to prove it.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Here is something to think about. If you say something is the truth and someone completely debunks it with logical evidence and examples, then it's no longer truth even if you claim it in your mind. Based on your logic, nothing is truth and everything we see and touch is opinion. I hope you don't have a degree in psychology because your arguments would contradict it.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Have you been able to debunk my claim that homosexuality is fine and natural, using logical evidence or examples? No. When I say that nothing is truth in regards to philosophy and religion, I am saying that there is no way to absolutely prove any claim, therefore each person has their own truth. In regards to philosophy or religion. Not talking maths or science.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
You said a man can be a Christian even if he continues in homosexual behavior. Christ never preached that it was ok for 2 of the same sex to marry or to have intercourse with one another. Scripture also says "because there is such immorality in this world, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband." And if Paul's words are only his opinion, it must have been a pretty effective and strong opinion to be instructed by God to write them down in a book over 500 yeard old.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
He never said it wasn't okay either. The scripture also says that masturbation is a sin punishable by death, that a camel has a better chance of passing through the eye of a needle than a rich man has of getting into heaven. But do we agree with that? Do we regard that as truth, and do we practice it in our lives? Everyone has a different truth.
Paul was never instructed by God and Paul's writings got into the bible because it made the cut, whereas other writings didn't.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
The statement about the rich man wasn't that a rich person cannot be saved and go to Heaven, but that a person with everything tends to think that their "stuff" makes them good, when the Bible says "None is good, no not one." Salvation is when we get humble and real and say, "You know.... I am nothing. God gives me breath, God gives me life. I mess up, I'm not perfect, etc" and then cry out to God who became our substitute. A perfect God became sin to save a bunch of humans who spit in his face.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
Yes, but another key component to that would be that the rich man has to give up his things to be fully repentant. Because if he keeps them and stays a rich man, he does so because he thinks that he is entitled to have more than he really needs, which, according to Jesus, is wrong.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Paul's writings were more than just those 13 books in the New Testament. And the writings that "made the cut" as you put it were God-breathed and God-inspired. They made it in because God ordained it and made it so. We tend of over-think the simplicity that is God.
Getting back to homosexuality, God IS against it. Read Genesis, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Jeremiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Romans, 1 & 2 Corinthians, Jude.... it's there. It's just our choice to accept it or reject it.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
If your truth is that everything in the bible was divinely inspired and is correct, then I can't argue with it, because there is no way to prove it either way. My truth is that the bible was written by man, not by God, so all the bible proves is that man is against homosexuality, for reasons like it wastes semen that should be used for baby making, it would be wrong to have a husband, as if you were a woman, and no man wants to be a woman, etc.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
Here's one thing you completely ignore. Have you ever considered the fact that "one's version of truth can be pure fiction?" There's no need for truth in this world if everyone had their own separate views.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Yes, I have considered that. And I said that earlier, that you have your truth, and I have mine. To you, my truth is false. To me, your truth is false. There's no way to prove either of them, therefore they are both equally true. And there is a need for truth in the world. We as humans are inclined to seek it. But when it comes to things we don't yet understand and can't prove, we just have to adopt our own truths.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
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"To you, my truth is false. To me, your truth is false. There's no way to prove either of them, therefore they are both equally true".
That is not a true statement. For example, if one says it's ok to shoot someone in the face for pissing them off, and the other says it's not ok, they both can't be right. If it's against the law to do so (which it is), then the person who tries to justify the murder is in the wrong.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
Would it matter at all if I were to prove that there is one God and that is the God of the Bible.... would "my truth" suddenly be right? Or would you go on believing "your truth" just because it's "logical" ??
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
Everyone does not have a different truth, you're dancing around the issue. Are these words coming from your own mouth, or are you consulting a humanist before answering? Your responses indicate that some secular humanist has brainwashed you into thinking that anything you believe, even if it is completely false, can be truth if you tell yourself it is truth. And how do you know Paul was never instructed by God, did you ask him yourself? Of course not, because he lived hundreds of years ago.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
We have both shown that we have different truths. You believe that homosexuality is a sin, and I don't. Yours is true to you, mine is true to me, and they are both equally valid because neither is provable. And you don't need to disrespect me by suggesting that someone is telling me what to type and that I'm brainwashed.
No, I haven't. Have you? Probably not. So neither of us knows for sure.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago
I agree. This is a mockery of Christianity. TRUE Christianity, that is.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
Actually, I think Michael Stipe based the script on his own personal experiences with Christians. Like the main character in Saved, he was ostracized and ridiculed by other Christians for being a homosexual. Instead of sharing the love of Jesus with him, they just told him how he'd burn in hell if he didn't repent. Saved was sort of his response to that kind of judgment. There are more "so-called" hypocritical Christians in this world than we think.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
There is a fine line between showing love to homosexuals and accepting the lifestyle. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I agree that FAR too many Christians either bash them completely and run them off from Christ and salvation, OR accept them completely with no negative things to say about the lifestyle that God calls an abomination. Christians need to understand the heart and Jesus and learn that fine line.
kristenlisemby 1 year ago
I like where you're coming from. Unfortunately, some gays don't deserve respect because even when people like you and I tell them civilly that God is not accepting of their lifestyle, they still get defensive and are like "God doesn't send people to hell He loves, that would make Him an ungrateful tyrant." People who are in love with their sin will never come to terms with their wrongdoings. Ultimately, only God can get ahold of them when that happens.
Rawk4Life 1 year ago
thanks for uploading this movie! you're the best :D
kyonkyonkichi 2 years ago 2
this is a beautiful movie, this makes you think about if you are a good christian or if you are not.
kikesparco 2 years ago
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It's a satire...you know that right?
XD
LizYouKnowMyLastName 2 years ago 2
it also lets you know how crazy christians can be
dance689 2 years ago
..or how crazy PEOPLE can be?
CouganSmith 1 year ago
Did anyone else hear a snapping sound when the medals stopped rocking?
ProudSouthernBoy 2 years ago
this is such a boss movie
tbodine07 2 years ago
LOL Mandy deserves an award for this movie..she plays the perfect Crazy christian
Caonification 2 years ago 13
@Caonification true haha, but it kinda gives christians a bad name though. this movie kinda reminds me of Mean Girls, but christian version.
GDPYouth 2 years ago 4
Best movie ever Jarcar there are way to many christians who do behave in such a way. Pushy, rude, and judgemental!
MissHollie44 2 years ago 4
So true! I am a christian, but I don't think that because I'm not going to hell, and I ask Jesus for help and guidance, that I'm better than everyone else
ProudSouthernBoy 2 years ago
Thanks so much for uploading this! I love this movie! And I love love LOVE Macaulay Culkin in this! <3
CaughtintheSnowstorm 2 years ago 8
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this is bullcrap!!! a complete mockery of what christianity is all about. just becuz some teenagers grow up in church dont make them a true christian!!
jarcar202 2 years ago
@jarcar202 its a satire which means its exaggerrated.
soleilisthesun 2 years ago
at 7:56 he has a big boner lol
n0tsure12 2 years ago
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xobanonox 2 years ago
Thank you sooooo much for putting this movie up!!! I LOVE this movie!
Hitsugayaluuver 2 years ago