Arab-Israeli conflict: The Mike Wallace Interview - Abba Eban 1958 (1 of 3)

[TeifiValley123]

@brady0001 yes, the Jews & the Palestinians. You also overlook the reason why the plan was rejected. If your'e serious about this, instead of just looking for points to support an agenda, and disregarding everything else, ask yourself why the plan was rejected, or even better, look into it. Its not irrational criticism to say an Palestinian's land has been stolen either. Any land which is won through conquest is illegitimate under international law. This isn't a controversial point.

[TeifiValley123]

@brady0001 because they were committing the same crimes then, as they are now. Mainly stealing land that wasn't theirs (regardless of what you think of the bible) and bullying Arabs. Admittedly the Jewish state wasn't so overwhelmingly powerful then, as it is now, but the accusations haven't changed because neither have the crimes.

[xMaXiMuSx]

@brady0001

You can do your own research.. JEWS were flooding Palestina since 1890s and started kicking arabs out by 1920s it was war.. There are jewish scholarsh that will comfirm this..

[xMaXiMuSx]

@brady0001

no the slaughtering and kicking out arabs started about 50 years before this... Jews were fleeing anti-semitism in Europe and settling in the ottoman empire and a lot of them began establishing jewish only areas and that really escalated around WW2 time.

[MUDSHARK111]

@brady0001 "The "accusations" are just as wrong today as they were then" i disagree .however the point is nothing has changed. the accusations levelled at Israel then are as valid as they are now, possibly even more so from the Palestinian point of view. and do not in any way prove anything,as you have suggested.

[MUDSHARK111]

@brady0001 if you want to speculate with me about what the Palestinians might of might not except ,and what would be the consequences .then i will.i will also refute your "Arab-instigated 1948 war".but it would be beside the point.as i asked "what do you think changed between then and now?"why do you thing the accusations in 58 would be any different to 2011 ?

[MUDSHARK111]

"often think that Israel can make peace with the Arabs if it gives up all of the land it captured in 1967" tell me how this video or my comment "proves that Israel haters will continue to hate and try to destroy Israel no matter what it's borders are"you are engaged in a fair amount of presumption and speculation here .the accusation stands in 2011 as it did in 58 .what do you think changed between then and now?"Israel haters" one does not have to hate something to criticise it ask my wife.

[MUDSHARK111]

@brady0001 there has not been a day since 48 that Israel has not expanded.the charge stands regardless of whether it was made in 58 or 2011.Israel was as responsible for the refugee problem in 58 as they where in 49 as they are now .and yes some Nazi did to Jews what Zionist have done ,and are doing to Palestinians. what's your point ?

[Mrpastry909]

I watched his series on Israel. I used to think he was bragging and exaggerating his role (I didn't know who he was at the time) but after researching I realized that this guy had earned the right to brag.

[kentucky9000]

Israel will have true peace one day, God willing...!

[sirbata]

@kentucky9000 Yes when you people over there stop killing each other... and the rest of us dont have to listen to the whining

[osufritz]

@ali12147 - As I said earlier, there was never an entity called Palestinian nation before

Jews took & purchased land from Arabs, Turks and others.

from 1948-1967 there was no claim from Egyptians (Gaza) or Jordanians (West & East Bank) to give the land to the Palestinians, the so called "rights" of Palestinians were a tool to delegitimize Israel

[grobanista]

A communicator the like of which the Arab world has never had - demonstrating that all that Israel wants is to live in peace and be left alone.

The warmongers of the region are the fanatical Arab barbarians.

[ali12147]

@grobanista

Yes Israel has always been very clever in its PR campaigns. They steal the land of a people and then put people like this theif on the forefront to make it look good.

[osufritz]

@ali12147 - stole what land? there was never a country called Palestine, and in 1948 no Arab country supported an establishment of such a country.

why did the Arabs refused the 1947 partition plan?

[ali12147]

@osufritz

The land that is between the mediterranean sea and the jordan river is palestine, the people who resided ther for centuries before the zionist movement are palestinians. I couldt care less if any Arab government supported or didnt support such a state, the land of these people was stolen and the wer expelled by the zionists.

Why did the Zionist movement pre-plan destruction of these peoples homeland and terrorize them into exodus?

[osufritz]

@ali12147 - as you may know, the term Palestine is from Latin, Palestina that was divided to three parts.

(Prima, Scunda and one other name i can't recall) it's was due to the 2nd Jewish rebellion of the Romans at the 1st century. If you want i can present you with many non Jewish evidence that the land was called Judea (from Jews) and Israel before it was called Palestina.

The question remains, why did the Arabs, including the Palestinians Arabs, rejected the 1947 partition resolution?

[ali12147]

@osufritz

I couldnt giv a crap about who or wat is was called in the 1st century, the indians resided in america until 15-16th century, does that mean they have the right to take over?

If i knock on your door tomorow and say my bible says this is my home, will you move without a fight?

I have an interest in justice, not political motives, therefore i couldnt care less wat caused the arabs to reject the partition plan.

Do you think it is morally justified to plan the theft of someones home?

[osufritz]

@ali12147 - What was done to the Indians in part was wrong, however not all the Americas was inhabitant and it's a bad example.

I was telling you about it's name from the 1st century to reflect that until the 20 century there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, arabs yes. Turks, Ayyubids, Mamelukes Seljuks, etc.

Most middle east countries were created by Franco British Mandate after teh fall of the Ottoman empire.

except Egypt and Syria, there are no real nation states in 1918.

[osufritz]

Respond to this video...in 1917 Arabs lived in the land of Israel but they were Palestinian only by functionality.

in the north, they saw themselves as Syrians or Lebanese, some Egyptians the rest Arabs.

What is Jordan by the way? a land taken from the British Mandate of Palestine and given to the Hashemitie dynasty form Hijaz.. Since there was no Palestinian entity before 1947 / 1917 the Jew stole nothing and came back, bought land, from Turks and Arabs.

[ali12147]

@osufritz

I thnk youve got that the wrong way, the jews now live in palestinian land. The Palestinians who lived in Palestine and wer systematically made to leave whichwas part of the Zionist plot.

It was planned and orchastrated by the zionist from the beggining and if you think otherwise you are seriously deluded.

Do you think it was right for the zionist movement the steal this land from the Palestinians?

[Mishkafofer]

@ali12147 Educate us all, post a link to a book published by recognized scholar or institution about Palestinian nation that were published before 1948. Until then, forever we will remember that in 1948 no one asked for a creation of Palestinian state or recognition in Palestinian nation, not one Arab or Muslim country demanded or dealt with that issue. Until you post a link (Amazon, Google books).

[kentucky9000]

@ali12147 simpleton.

[ali12147]

@kentucky9000

yes the truth of this matter is fairly simple. Although some to attempt to obscure the reality.

[stardaddyo9]

what are the jews reaping? do they live in peace? do they feel secure?

[Fitplayer66]

One of the most eloquant orators of modern times.

[stardaddyo9]

in 1948 jews were 7% of the population. giving them nearly fifty percent of the land was criminal. hundreds of thousands of european and africa jews poured in to palestein after that so the jews found it convienant to steal the other fifty percent of the land.fancy speech from intellectuals will not make the fact that the jews stole the land from it's rightful owners go away.

[johnnyone9]

@stardaddyo9, so was Texas, it was mostly Mexican before the Americans came. So was Arizona, so was New Mexico, Nevada and California (Los Angeles, San Fancisco - all originally mexican). Furthermore, tha Arab empire had and still have 22 states on a land mass as large as Europe. After the Holocaust, the Jews needed to return to their historic land from which they were driven out by the Romans 1900 years before. There were no "Palestinians" in the Roman time, and not even under the Ottomans.

[JerrySPsy]

@stardaddyo9 Jews were a MUCH higher population than 7% in 1948 and most of the land they were granted was uncultivatable desert. Most of the so-called Palestinians were recent immigrants from other Arab countries. Why were they allowed to settle there and not Jews? Plus, close to a million Jews came from other Arab countries after they were expelled in 1948 and there homes & land confiscated. And it was the Arabs who stated all the violence, Now they reap what they sowed.

[chriskypri]

30 000 traps? amazing!!

[alextubeta19]

Obviously, Thomas Finletter, never visited Israel at that time, never met her first class generals at that time (Rabin, Sharon, Tal, Yariv, Elazar, Narkis, etc.) never visited and observed her technically competent combat units, or seen her superlative air force. All of which came to fruition in victory in the Six Day War.

[dwnet]

i like the cigarette commercial :)