Carly Chruthfield. " exposed" utube Carly Crutchfield ccorp and Larrarine Bell You left athis 63 yr widow homeless Part 1&2. Even worse than that You left another widow, homeless, her 2 young handicapped children with out a home, you threaten legal action, against the son who introduce his mother to you since then he has tied to take his own life. At the time of this U-tube post, this widow is sick, dying with weeks to live. "The only way to Control People is to lie to them" L.Ron Hubbard.
Thanks for posting. Also remember than NarcAnon is also run by Scientologists. One of my friends went through their detox program and he left because of the load of CRAP they spewed at him. It's crazy what they said. Anyway, keep up the exposure.
Every post paid envelope you can find from scientology & Dianetics. Fill it with a print out of Xenu Leaflet. Than tape it to a brick and send it back as a response. Best way to protest. Tell all your friend to do this. The church of scientology will have a huge mail bill and each letter opened will free one of their members. Once you red Xenu leaflet they kick you out automatically. Tell as many people as you can. Power of the many. A million people send bricks back that should do something.
:) Just go to xenutv and xenutv1 here on youtube. There is a lot of information there. Do a youtube or a internet search on Scientology and you'll get a lot also. Type in: Scientology junk mail.
Just don't ask a Scientologists what Scientology is because, quite frankly, they do not know. They're too caught up into the trap to understand what they are in.
Scientlology is a Cult, it does not ;like anyne criticsing its so called doctorne, They go about destroying thier critics, by taken photographs of thier family, even without the parents consent, an they use that aginst them. I takes the police, if not corrupted by Scientology to make up thier minds Cont......
You arn't going to solve the problem of scientology with more lawsuits and court cases. The girl chose to join scientology, she chose to hand over her money, and she chose to commit suicide. Its a free country and we can't stop people from acting like idiots if they are hell bent on doing so. There is no such thing as 'brainwashing', there are just some people out there who are ready to believe increadibly stupid shit, and to believe very very strongly.
But... to be honest other religions such as Christianity have caused the deaths of MILLIONS in the past. Alot more than Scientology. And I doubt that this girl killed herslef JUST cos' some people were giving her some crap. I'm not SURPRISED the Scientologists didn't come outside- all you would do is shout at them, and really, what is the POINT?! Now, I'm not a scientologist, and I dont beleive in Scientology, but I really dont like people attacking others becuase they are of a certain religion.
scientology helps you not hurt you! so if someone in the Hospital dies or kills themselves in the Hospital will you blame it on the Hospital? no! you would know that they went to the Hospital for help but it didnt help in time!
Thats like saying it was the young lass's fault in America who killed herself after abuse from that women who was acting like a 14 year old or something on the Internet. Just because they are messed up, there is no normal mind mate, the sick people who think that its okay to go round saying "ohh your ill your depressed if we dont help you" bullshit should be fucking shot!
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The Government helps Write these Articals and also Promotes them, i can write the same Artical in a way that would make someone make a youtube video talking about how Scientology Tried to Help people that need help and that this is an Example of why the World Needs Scientology
Scientology is Against drugs, they want people to talk about there problems, now if they go to Gods Judgement seat will they go to hell for trying to help people? i think not!
They make people pay thousands upon thousands of pounds/euros/dollars to get that "help", they want to ban psychology(which has helped me from stop killing myself before), sorry if i dont like em, these guys brainwash and threaten people, they blackmail those that want to leave the group and attack those that do not agree/criticize the group, they even likely killed a major critic who was on the bbc program.
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God never gives anyone more than they can handle.....
you are a strong person and this is why you survived, if anything if you took drugs they gave you they probably made it that much harder for you.
thats like saying were freeing the people of iraq... no we just made it worse there, and then they are thanking us for destroying there country then say well at least they protected me from terrorism? same thing, they fucked you up then said were protecting you!
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spirituality is more logical than flesh and blood and obviously if you dont understand me as i speak in terms you can understand how will you understand the spiritaul things i post? the answer is that you cant, we are speaking 2 completly different languages so it makes no sense to communicate unless you start listenenig with your spirit. goodbye.
Scientology is a criminal organization. It's not a religion. Religions do not charge ridiculous amounts of money to hear about their beliefs. Religions do not keep what people say in "confession" in a file for blackmail! Religions do not actively recruit celebrities and have an actual church building for celebrities' sole use! Religions do not stalk, harasss, sue and attack critics! We ALL understand you perfectly, it's just that what you say is bullshit.
oh fuck off, like you're so fucking great, you don't know shit mate, saying shit like that in regards to religious people. you're no better than a sexist or a racist, fuck you
Atheism is a belief, not every belief is a religion.
To say "Religion=good" is asinine, is Jerry Falwell Good? Is Bin Ladin Good?
Scientology is a religion and its no stupider than most of the other religions created throughout history. People choose to believe in religious BS, they don't choose what race or sex they are.
You know what, I'm not going to play this game anymore. You are a troll for Scientology. Which is fine, I'm open to any debate you want to have about Scientology. But don't start off by lying to me and claiming that I'm combative, irrationally defensive, etc. I have spent enough time speaking with Scientologists that I know you're demeanor and tricks. And you pretending to be anything else but a Scientologist right now showcases that you're lying, and I won't stand for it.
No,I really am not...I am a Chrisitan from TX and I attend Grace Community Church.A non-denominational church near the Dallas area.=)
You seem paranoid.If you take the time to view some other videos on Scientology...you'll most likely come across other comments from me that show that I got chills and felt alarmed by what I saw on Scientology.Thanks.
Just because someone doesn't wish to argue with you or confronts your abrasive post to them (me) doesn't mean I am a Scientologist. LOL! =)
Some of you people writing back and forth below and playing mind games with one another really need to get a life...if you can CONTINUE TO COMMENT back and forth to each other over and over again I say you have too much time on your hands and that time could be put to much better use. Get out, volunteer, help family, read a book, educate yourself, help strangers, visit friends...do something. lol, and yes I myself do volunteer,etc. Getting a free moment today is a treat actually. =)
Happyone4 - You're seeing the very last moments of a very long conversation that spanned months and several videos. I don't think you have a very fair perspective. So instead of self-righteously passing judgement on other peoples' discussions, try leaving a comment that expresses your opinions about this video.
I wasn't being self righteous,I don't even know you,or vice-versa.I wasn't trying to pass any "exact" judgments on you.But I have a right to my observations,which is that it's sad that this video's page is being used merely as a sounding board for personal attacks now.Maybe Your argument may have started from long ago about various footage but it has obviously become more personal and more of a way to slander eachother by computer screen,which now I see you trying to do to me,so I'm done thanks.
Well you took the time out of your very important day to pass judgement on me for having an in-depth debate about something I care very deeply about. I think that's a little self-righteous. For the record, I do consider this to be helping a stranger, volunteering, helping families, and educating myself. So you see? My time is not wasted. So how do you feel about the video?
I'm sorry,you are most likely a very nice person who is just frustrated for a number of reasons with me,others and life in general but you continue to come off very defensive and ready to pounce which makes me personally not care to have a conversation with you about the video (other than to state that for the record I myself am not a Scientologist,I'm a Christ follower.)Take care and best wishes to you and ToryluvsLRH, I hope you two can come to some understanding or let things go eventually.=)
I am not a frustrated person at all, I'm up front and enthusiastic about my responses because this is very important to me. You & I are strangers, so to assume that I would just attack someone out of the blue is unfounded & insulting, I had a right to try to correct you. And for the record, it became personal when this person started calling me a prostitute, terrorist, criminal, liar, abuse victim, etc.. for simply asking her questions about her religion. She made it personal, not me.
It wasn't about you correcting me, it was the manner in which you did it. Please lets drop it. This page was meant to discuss the girl you sadly died, so I do not wish to get stuck in back and forth banter as you did with the other poster on here. I wish you both luck as stated earlier and WILL NOT be responding to any more comments, thank you.
Now I have to go to sleep, but rest assured that any responses you post I will reply to as soon as I get a chance.
I really do hope you have a good weekend, and I wish the best for you in life. I hope that you seriously consider being honest with me in the future, as I will continue to do so with you.
Isn't it strange that with all the expansion Scientology is supposed to be doing with your hard-earned money, there's no org for over 300 miles from the city I live in? They should be all over the place by now, right? Isn't that what David Miscavige keeps telling you? Why is there no Org around here for me to protest personally?
See Kittie - Even you know that there should be a COS in every small city as well as the big ones. Funny how that even seems strange to you. Just hang in there as the COS locations are growing.
You're not growing, honey. You don't have 8 million members. The last US Census reported less than 70,000 Scientologists TOTAL in the United States. That's pathetic, a government census isn't wrong... David Miscavige is a liar.
The US Census? Are you really that poorly educated that you don't even know what the Census is?! My God, you're education as a Scientologist is worse than I ever imagined! The rest of the country knows what a census is when they're 15 years old!
LMAO!! Kittie you are starting to sound abit desperate honey. So far you know what all 250,000 folks are doing in your town and you know that EVERYONE 15 & older in the US knows about census! The Scn Ethics Book explains why you "generalize" your comments. Look it up. Its really neat that LRH knew this.
Oh come on, silly, it's common sense. You list every other Scientology Church, why isn't there one listed in the phone book or the church's own website??? Why?! Why isn't one listed if you're soooo sure there's one here? You generalized telling me that if there's a city over 250,000 people there HAS to be a Scientology church here. But there's not! It's just plain not true. And the census is a required thing that all public school students learn in 10th Grade in America! Idiot!!!!
You dont know about Scn in your own city and I'm the idiot? How does that work? If your city has over 50,000 folks in it there is Scn there. You should know that with all your "proof"! LMAO! Might as well go check em out honey. But leave your mask at home or they wont think you are being sincere ...
And I'm really not from a small town, there's over 250,000 people here. And not one single, solitary Scientologist to be found. That's impossible, according to your leader. How can that be?!
Kittie I can GUARENTEE you that if you have 250,000 people you have tons of Scn and there are Scn meetings going on there somewhere. Thats a fact ... not a guess. Sorry honey but we are in your town as well ....
Well I checked the yellow pages and your church's website, I don't see Church of Scientology listed anywhere in either place... So your church is what, so ashamed of itself it's hiding out now?
We both know that it is killing you to see that Scn is actually alive & thriving in your city. You cant stand it! The Scn Ethics book will explain this to you as well. Isnt that amazing? You dont know why you are so overli pissed & possessed with this but Scn knows. Might as well check it out.
I'm not pissed, I asked you a valid question. You can't answer it so you're lying. It's what Scientologists do! Can't answer a question, lie. Can't prove someone wrong, lie. Can't shut someone up, lie & call them names. Can't get someone's money anymore, turn on them.
I'm so very sorry that you have a substandard education. You know an ethics book like the back of your hand, but you've apparently never taken an American History class in your entire life. You know less about your own country than the country you live in. That's just.. disgusting.
Wait.. that came out wrong. Lol. You know less about the country you live in than the rules of Scientology. And that, my dear, is disturbing AND disgusting. How in the hell do you have a job?
That may be true to you but lets look at one interesting thing here. You cant get enough of me or my comments! You love it and I have probably made you feel more alive than you have felt in years! I'm name calling but you can call me stupid & an idiot? I love this! May I copy something I saw? " Another one bites the dust!" ... LOL!
Just answer the damn question, skippy. If there's a church here, why isn't it listed in the phone book or on your church's website? Where can I find it if it's not listed anywhere? It must not exist then...
I talk to you because I'm hoping someday you'll realize that I'M NOT AGAINST YOU, I'M AGAINST A CULT THAT I'M AFRAID SOMEDAY MIGHT DO SOMETHING TERRIBLE TO YOU! Too many people die in, or because of, Scientology. I'm worried about you & I don't want anything bad to happen to you. And yeah, its frustrating at times, fighting for someone who thinks I'm evil. But the thought that you might get out makes it worthwhile for me. So I take a deep breath & start again. You're worth it, to me.
I'm not an evil person, I know you're told to think of me as a "wog", just a stupid subclass of human being because I'm not in Scientology. But I don't have an ulterior motive, what motivates me to fight with you so hard is a desire to keep you safe. And that's it, you're safety is my driving force. You're a kitten stuck up a tree, and yes, every kitten eventually finds their own way down. But I want to help, if I can. That's why I fight with you. Why do you fight with me?
I know that as long as you're still ranting at me, you're not locked up in a room somewhere, against your will, being tortured. As long as you're still ranting, I know you're conscious, alive, breathing, eating, sleeping, and functioning. The day it stops is the day I'll lose my cool. I don't know anything about you, other than that you hate me. And I care about you that much. Evil people don't do things like that for people they don't care about.
Alright, I'm not trying to make you look foolish to anyone else by asking this question. I'd PM you, but you don't respond to those, so I have to put this question in here. Why are you lying and playing ignorant about your own religion? You know what a wog is. If it wasn't a derrogatory word, you'd be able to say "A wog is just a word for a non-Scientologist". But that's not what it is, it's derrogatory. It's like the bad wizards in Harry Potter movies calling people Mud Bloods.
I'm a human being! And I think it's disgusting that The Church of Scientology has another word for people who aren't Scientologists. And a derrogatory word, at that! We're not fellow human beings to you, we're just wogs. Just stupid, ignorant wogs.
That's an incredibly prejudiced and narcissistic way to walk through life.
Really? So it is a Scientology term? Just 5 hours ago, you lied to me telling me you didn't know what a wog was. Liar! The proof is on this very page... just 9 short posts ago:
ToryluvsLRH (5 hours ago) Kittie - What is a wog?
So what does it mean, since I got it wrong? What is a wog?
Kittie you are the slowest thinking person I have ever met. You border on just plain dumb!! LOL. I never said I didnt know what it meant silly. I said I wanted to know what you thought it meant. Gotcha babe!!! Nice try .. LMAO!!!
Well you were misleading, I dare say intentionally. Well, communication is what Scientology's all about, right? Apparently someone miscommunicated the meaning of the word wog to me. Will you please tell me what it means? Minus insults, preferably..
Kittie you claim to know alot about Scn. I checked you on one item and you didnt know it. You are wrong on many others. That makes it hard for you to learn the facts about Scn. Being wrong happens to all of us. But not caring just to prove a point is dangerous....
I don't claim to know alot about Scientology. I know alot about their behavior towards Anons and former members. That's all I claim to know about. And if I'm wrong about what a wog is, use the communication skills Scientology prides itself on, and communicate the truth to me. Tell me what a wog is.
Kittie when anon decided to attack Scn and its members it ran into a group who will fight harder and more aggressively than anon could imagine. We are a loving group who really cares about man but attack & threaten us and you will see a church who will get in your face and hold our position. We will match & then better our enemies. I wish it didnt have to be that way but it must ...
Really? So being physically aggressive with teenagers and shoving a disabled man around proves the true might and greatness of the Church of Scientology? What fucking bullshit! When we have protests, you draw the blinds & send out your frightened security guards. Or if one of you does have the balls to come out and talk, you get pissed off & become violent because that's the last resort for a desperate person who knows that in their heart, they're wrong, and THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Kittie that is whats really pissing you off and it actually bugs ALL anons. We Scn wont come out and play when you show up! LMAO! Cant you take a hint to how important you are to us? We are not interested in you. We just have someone come out and say hello. We just peak out the windows and LOAO!!!
No, what really bugs me is that you can tell me I'm defining a Scientology word wrong, but you can't tell me what the real definition is! If you can, prove it! Tell me what the Scientology definition of "wog" is!
Know what bugs me kittie. You quote all of the info you claim to have that proves Scn crimes but when I ask you to define a simple term, you dont have that info. You need to look for yourself if you want to know. To do otherwise just makes you look silly. But on a good note ... I still dont hate you! How epic is that!!
I did look into it, and what I found out was that you have a word for people who aren't in Scientology. It's wog. If that's wrong, you're a Scientologist, you should want me to know the truth. Stop skirting the issue. Tell me what a wog is.
L. Ron Hubbard defined wog as a "common, everyday garden-variety humanoid.... He 'is' a body. [He] doesn't know he's there, etc. He isn't there as a spirit at all. He is not operating as a thetan. The term comes from 'Worthy Oriental Gentleman', from the days of the British in Egypt.
So... Hubbard said "wogs" or non-Scientologists don't have a soul? Umm.. fuck you.
LOL! At least you are trying kittie. If I said I wanted the Yankees to "Kill" the Red Sox this week, am I asking that the Red Sox be murdered or is there another meaning in play here. You are close but not quite there. You have taken the time to find horrible things to say about my church so you can look to find the good. Its easy if you stay off Xenutv. LOL!
Tell me what you, personally, believe the word "wog" means? Because in the UK, it has pretty racist undertones. It's like using "The N Word". And this is a word that your leader chose for the rest of us average joes? That's pretty sick. Where might I find a Scientology-approved definition of this word online? Since you can't tell me, perhaps you can give me directions to a resource you find credible enough to enlighten me.
The answer lies in the complete lecture where LRH mentions wog. I hear folks in here say LRH said to make a million just start a church. Well he did say that but if you listen to the lecture you see what he was referring to. But leave that part out and you have a field day insulting the man. I expect you to put forth the same amount of energy in finding the answer as you have finding fault. Get ALL the data before you attack ...
It's easy dear, tell me what your church taught you about the word "wog". It's not divulging church secrets, it's using basic Scientology communication to tell me a very basic idea that your church teaches. It's not difficult, tell me your definition of the word "wog". I know you want me to find out the truth for myself, but you disagree with the opinion I've formed about that word. So now, I want to hear your opinion. Tell me what the word "wog" means to you.
Let me say this to you again. Sooner or later you will understand. Go find out for yourself. You know where to look. Do you have the courage to find out?
I did find out for myself! I found out that the word "wog" is a derrogatory, insulting word Scientologists use for non-Scientologists. It's equal to the "N" word!
If that's wrong, tell me what I got wrong. Use your superior Scientology communication skills, and tell me the right definition of that word. It's just a word, for crying out loud! It's not a church secret, Scientologists say it on videos. Defining a word shouldn't be this difficult for anyone, why can't you do it?
I gave you the definition for "wog" that I found. If it's wrong, you should want me to know the true definition. If Scientology is so open and honest, why can't you define one tiny little word for me? Why are you hiding the answer? Is it because you're embarassed to be using a degrading word like that for other human beings? Or is it because you're not allowed to tell me?
Here, let's make a deal. If you promise to define the word "wog", put the quote from Hubbard into context, and tell me how it's used in your church - I promise I will tell you give you a link to a picture that will make you laugh. Guaranteed giggles, I swear. I'll also tell you about my absolute favorite website in the entire world, you play word puzzles to earn tickets, and you get free prizes. Don't even have to pay for shipping.
The point of me making this little bargain is to show you that I'm a living, breathing person. I'm not some monster who wants to ruin your life. As an individual, I care about people - I care about you, even though we've never met, and in that we are the same. I'm trying to understand all the mystery and controversy surrounding your religion, because what I hear isn't good. And yes, there are resources for information about Scientology, but I want to hear it from you. Please open up to me.
Kittie - What you can offer me to prove you are in fact human is to stop attacking my church with your unproven proof. The wog word is just a small sample of the mistakes you have made in regards to Scn. What troubles me is that you didnt do your homework before joing the lynch mob. I have read from anon about all the stuff LRH took that showed after he died. Only one small prob here ... LRH never had an autopsy! Understand?
You can't even recognize me as a living, breathing, person without it being conditional on me submitting to Scientology. That's wrong. So tell me what I'm getting wrong. Spell it out for me. We'll start with "wog". Define it for me, put it in context. After you tell me, I won't be misinformed anymore.
And "unproven proof" - the correct way to say it is unfounded proof. (-;
Kittie would I really waste time talking to you if I thought you werent important? Sometimes sadly you have to really get someones attention especially if they are screaming so loud they cant hear the truth. You matter kittie. I saw that at the beginning of our chats. The rest is just dramatics ....
"Kittie - What you can offer me to prove you are in fact human is to stop attacking my church"
You said it yourself. I have to PROVE that I'm a human being to you, and the only way to do it is to stop criticizing Scientology. I'm sorry, but I'm a human being and worthy of respect, no matter what my beliefs about Scientology are.
Please, oh pretty please, just tell me the definition of "wog"...
Well if you are going to bribe me I thought you should prove your are being sincere. You dont get respect just because you are human. You earn respect by respecting yourself & others. That includes tolerance.
It was a silly bribe, it wasn't like I was offering money. I was going to show you other things that I'm interested in to show you that I'm not some black-hearted monster who wants to ruin your life. I guess that wasn't sincere enough...
So, you going to define "wog" for me yet, or do I have to keep asking?
Kittie you need to lighten up and have some fun here. I dont take this anon stuff seriously. I just like to hear what others have to say. I'm done with giving definitions though as you guys dont believe anything I say anyway so no point in giving you ammo to throw back at me. Hope you have a good weekend and then lets get back to battle....
Yeah I suppose using a degrading, insulting word for the majority of people in the world is a little embarassing. I'd hide it too, but luckily I don't use words like that for other human beings.
And for someone who doesn't take Anon seriously, you and your church members get pretty upset. To the point where you're violent towards Anons, that's not quite an ambivalent response to something that's not upsetting you.
Kittie the fun is coming in here and messing with you kids. No one actually takes any of you guys seriously but why not have some fun with it. I "act" mad, upset, happy, etc. I have had several anon kids private mail me saying they had no problem with Scn. They were just having a laugh. Its an act honey. If I was really upset I wouldnt come in here. But you cant believe the threats I have gotten and I have been called everything in the book. Most of the kids in here are good.
I guess that makes you a liar, seeing as all this time you've been "acting" with me. I guess I have no reason accept anything from you as truth anymore. Silly me, I thought you were an honest person.
I don't care if Anons send you messages of praise (which I highly doubt), I'm not a fan of Scientology & I have the right to talk about it.
You've called me a terrorist, prostitute, liar, drug addict, psychopath, religious bigot - don't expect any sympathy from me for being called names.
Wow ... now thats tough love. Sounds good to me! I do believe you are much younger than you try to make me think. You dont duplicate communication very well. Look at your last response. It doesnt match anything I said. You always embellish. ALWAYS! But its fun ....
I responded to everything you just said. I've learned how to read between the lines with Scientologists since honesty isn't a virtue they prize, apparently.
And I do embellish, for the express purpose of pointing out the hypocrisy in nearly everything you say.
I can't believe someone who's as intelligent as you are approves of calling people "wogs". How degrading, insulting.. Do you know the origin of that word? It was a word the British used to use for middle-eastern and north-african people, and it's not a pleasant word. It's equal to using the "N" word. You should be ashamed to even have that word in your lexicon.
So you're not denying that you've been lying to me this entire time? Or that the word "wog" is a very derrogatory, slanderous word for other fellow human beings?
Kittie when we first starting talking I was being honest with you. After I realized your intention was to just get ammo to throw back in my face I decided to mix fact with fiction. Its been that way since. Why be open with you since your intent is to just be nasty. Remember your "another one bites the dust"? That told me all I needed to know about your intention ....
You were being incredibly nasty & were cutting me off with a lot of remaining questions. I wasn't admitting defeat & that message sure as hell got you talking again. And I haven't withheld anything from you. Most of the time, I was trying to get you to explain things about your church so that I could understand. Then if it didn't seem right to me, or you were withholding things for no good reason, I called you on it. Then you started insulting me & it got nasty. At least I was honest.
Kittie I started off very civil with you. But you kept ranting about saving me and hoping I would wake up and how murderous Scn was. You kept it up and I decided shock value was needed. So I said some things to shake you up and get you to back up abit. Seemed a waste and it ruined our better chats but it did the job. And look at us. After all the crap we are still talking so I think we know dramatics from fact...
But there ARE people who have died in gruesome ways under Scientology's care. Look up Lisa McPherson, Joseph Havineth, and those are just two names. Even if Scientology didn't take them out back and shoot them in the head, these people were under their care and should have had proper, immediate medical attention. That's something Scn should be taking seriously, but they don't - they deny it. It's dangerous, it sends the message to the public that they think it's ok to do it again.
And don't think my wrath is reserved specifically for Scientology. I was infuriated when all the child molestation cases were happening with the catholic church. I'm pissed that mosts of those priests got a slap on the wrist, when they're obviously pedophiles who need to be locked away and safely rehabillitated. But at least the catholic church recognizes its wrong-doings and did something about it. I think Scientology needs to do the same.
And you were not civil with me to begin with, you called me every name in the book and started immediately calling me stupid, ignorant, and immature for asking you about these things. For ASKING you, I wasn't even accusing. It wouldn't kill Scientologists to answer a few questions once in awhile, it might even calm the public's nerves a little bit.
I originally started speaking to you because I wanted to have an honest, open dialogue. I was hoping that you would just simply explain some very basic things about Scientology to me. But you can't even define a word like "wog" that Scientologists use in youtube videos. It's not exactly a secret word, and it isn't something in any of the Bridge courses, so I figured that wasn't something you would get in trouble for talking about. But you can't even do that! WHY NOT?!
Well I had a great day. My best friend just had a baby, and I got to spend the day shopping for baby clothes & toys. He's an adorable little boy, and his parents are really into softball. So I even knitted him a little white stocking hat with red stitches so it looks like a softball. How was your day?
Nothing to say to me now. Ok, well I can get back to my original thoughts about this video. Scientology's stress tests are dangerous. They're criminal in the sense that they're not medically or psychologically certified tests, and the goal of the people administering these tests is to make money, not to heal the mind. Thank you Tommy for putting this video up. I hope her family gets justice & someday these "stress tests" will be outlawed all over the world.
Did you know, dear, that they reported on C-Span last night that Mike Rinder is talking to the FBI about David Miscavige & your church's illegal activities? That's right chickie, your little cult is about to be drug through the mire again, and this time they're not going to get away with it because Rinder has alllll kinds of paperwork & proof of all the little misdeeds. Get out now, sweetie. Or have fun in prison - don't drop the soap!
Ready to tell me what a "wog" is yet? I'm an open book, I just want to be written in. I want to understand you better, I'm not going to use it to attack you. Pretty please, define the word "wog" for me.
Yeah, deny & district. You know, something doesn't make sense to me. Scientologists claim they want the whole world to know what they know, but when asked, they never tell you a single word of what they know. And I think that's.. a little hypocritical. Can you see where someone might think that?
I think you have a very poor attitude towards non-scientologists. "Wogs", do you really think you're so much better than everyone else? Does it make you feel good, having this false superiority over everyone?
Actually, I don't miss talking to you because you weren't as fun toward the end. I just wanted to make sure you're still alive & kickin'. Good to see Scientology hasn't killed you yet.
Kittie you are still a liar. You wrote me because you missed me! I bought my basic book & tape package this weekend and just finished the LRH DVD series. WOW!! What an amazing man!! How are your murder accusations going?
Congratulation son your wasted money! And I'm not a liar, I do care about you. But it's hard to be nice to someone who hates you. And you do, you're just not as good as hiding it as you were in the beginning. But I'm a "wog", or I dare say by now I'm considered to be an "SP", so you aren't morally required by the Church of Scientology to be nice or honest to me anymore.
Kittie have you been a drama queen all of your 22 years of life? I have a feeling that acting that way has gotten you your way for quite some time now. How would you like to able to get what you want out of life without having to "act" to get it? I can help you. I wish you could see the LRH DVD in this set as it explains WOG! There ya go honey ... you ask & LRH delivers!
My goodness, what a compliment to be called 22 again. How sweet of you, dear. And I don't have to "act" to get what I want, I worked very hard to get where I am. I'd be glad to see how LRH defines wog. Please tell me where I can get this information freely, as I do not wish to cash in my 401K for Scientology courses. If it's available online and free, I'm game. See? No drama.
And please stop trying to figure out who I am. I know how fun Fair Game must be for all of you, but I'm not an easy person to find. And please tell whoever it was who tried to hack into my email, and my little sister's myspace & ebay accounts that it's being investigated by the department of homeland security - don't fuck with government employees, sugaroo. Stop trying to stalk me down online or you'll find yourselves in prison. That's a promise.
LMFAO!!!! Holy shit!! You are freaking psycho!!! OMG!!! A paranoid freaking wack job!!! just what I need .... a groupie wanna be psych student going around proving how crazy psychiatry really is. You need to find another chat friend honey. Someone a little closer to your meds ..
And you're a cult member who can't handle the bad things she participates in every day. I'm sorry, darling, but your insults mean nothing to the real world. Your cult will crash into pieces and you will wonder what the hell happened someday. When that day comes, I don't want an apology, I just want you to let me know if you need help getting back onto your feet again.
You wishing my church nothing but pain & destruction is like me wanting your family to be killed in a car wreck. What kind of person would wish that for another human being even if they didnt like it themselves? You are deranged ethically. Your intentions are to harm. You need help in ways you dont understand. Sadly for your friends .. I dont think you will ever get it.....
Whatever you want to believe. But if your opinion ever changes, you know where to find me. The offer for a plane ticket anywhere in the world if you ever need it still stands. I think that's all we need to say to each other. But feel free to check in with me once in awhile, I know it seems ridiculous to you, but it gives me peace of mind knowing you're ok.
you IDIOTS have read the article..and watche dthem talking to teh girls GRIEF STRICKEN father and yet you stilll do not believe after reviewinga all the facts..that they played a hand in her death?u peopel are STOOPID.
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Dude! Please! Learn to freaking spell! And stop buying into Gormans lies. He is a fraud so pay him no mind! Make him PROVE his points or tell him to shut up!
From the videos i have seen with scientologists involved you scientologists look like group of comic book characters. So in reality you scientologists hurt your own cause by acting like a bunch of weird comic booking acting retards. If your religion is that inlightened you should be able to openly debate your religion's belief's in a civil manner but from what i have seen you people do not have a the character or brains to do just that!
Very nice.. you created a whole brand new you tube account just to talk to me? I'm flattered... Now bugger off and go badger someone else. I have enough of you people on my ass as it is.
It doesn't change much but the Norwegian girl was a student at Nice in France and killed herself when the CoS told her she was a failure. People say the French have got lax about Scientology recently. Her father is a member of the Norwegian legislature and so able to get things done. The CoS has a new instruction to get people crying at the Stress Test; gives 'Stress Test' a new meaning.
I'm glad her family is persuing this. It sucks that legislators in any country generally leave things like this alone unless it happens to their own family. It's horrible how this woman's life ended, but hopefully her family's fight will prevent it from happening to another. And as for the Scientologists making people cry during stress tests.. they should go home and shower with rubbing alcohol or they'll never get the evil and blood off their hands.
Kittie please get help. There are hotlines you can call that help with abuse. Your father, fiance, whoever it is that is hurting you (and they must be close to you) please seek help. That should come first. You owe it to your family ...
My dear, that is completely pathetic. You can't defend, because you know you're wrong. So you attack.. with calling me a victim of abuse? Really? That's the best you can do? Abuse? Ran out of other insults like criminal, terrorist, religious bigot, nazi-psych supporter, prostitute, drug addict, mental patient.. so you go with victim of abuse? Getting desperate, aren't you? Accepting, Loving Scientologist Officially Runs Out of Insults, you saw it first here folks!
For someone who's church creed is a list of inalienable rights.. you don't seem to respect mine. I have an inalienable right to my own defense, right? I have an inalienable right to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely my own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others, right? You don't seem to be supporting my rights, according to your own church. Why is that? Because I'm a wog? A sub-class of human being because I'm not a Scientologist? Shame on you!
Kittie look at your response. You are not well. Its a classic abuse sign. Your rights? What about Scn rights to worship what they want the way they want. Get a grip kittie! You are too tied up in this and its wiping you out. Relax and change the subject to something you can talk about.
I've defeated you, and you know it. Let's talk about that. If seeing people upset or fired up bothers scientologists so much, why didn't the Scientologist giving the woman in Tommy's video a break and back the fuck off of her when they knew she wasn't in the right place for emotional harassment and condemnation from your church? You people make money off of abusing other people's minds. You're sick. I'm threatening you by saying it out loud. I'm not abused. I'm winning this fight.
I like you! You are tough...let's destruy the cult of $ together!
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Carly Chruthfield. " exposed" utube Carly Crutchfield ccorp and Larrarine Bell You left athis 63 yr widow homeless Part 1&2. Even worse than that You left another widow, homeless, her 2 young handicapped children with out a home, you threaten legal action, against the son who introduce his mother to you since then he has tied to take his own life. At the time of this U-tube post, this widow is sick, dying with weeks to live. "The only way to Control People is to lie to them" L.Ron Hubbard.
Urbanlatte2go 1 year ago
Thanks for posting. Also remember than NarcAnon is also run by Scientologists. One of my friends went through their detox program and he left because of the load of CRAP they spewed at him. It's crazy what they said. Anyway, keep up the exposure.
liliodine 1 year ago
Every post paid envelope you can find from scientology & Dianetics. Fill it with a print out of Xenu Leaflet. Than tape it to a brick and send it back as a response. Best way to protest. Tell all your friend to do this. The church of scientology will have a huge mail bill and each letter opened will free one of their members. Once you red Xenu leaflet they kick you out automatically. Tell as many people as you can. Power of the many. A million people send bricks back that should do something.
roboptions 1 year ago
F bomb, anti-religious, encourages violence, threatening,
petzoid 1 year ago
Now I know whom tory 69 is, I willnotbe intmitaded again.... Bring it on! Tommy you keep going babes you and your wife!
scotschic 2 years ago
Scientologist are UNHAPPPY FOOLS!
They pretend to be HAPPY!
I have been going to their events all i realise is they waste time and GRAB you MONEY!
BE CAREFUL! I SUGGEST TO GO BUT BE CAREFUL!
STOLEN IDEAS!
OHRABA 2 years ago
What is scientology? Don't be mean about it in replies please..i honestly don't know.
mxlassi411 2 years ago
Scientology is like a newborn baby, only instead of a baby head it's got the head of a chicken.
MrWinston1984 2 years ago
Thank you...and gross.
mxlassi411 2 years ago
:) Just go to xenutv and xenutv1 here on youtube. There is a lot of information there. Do a youtube or a internet search on Scientology and you'll get a lot also. Type in: Scientology junk mail.
Just don't ask a Scientologists what Scientology is because, quite frankly, they do not know. They're too caught up into the trap to understand what they are in.
MrWinston1984 2 years ago
Thank you..i will.
mxlassi411 2 years ago
@MrWinston1984 Yep scientology is like a newborn. Always pooping itself with a stupid look!
roboptions 1 year ago 2
Scientlology is a Cult, it does not ;like anyne criticsing its so called doctorne, They go about destroying thier critics, by taken photographs of thier family, even without the parents consent, an they use that aginst them. I takes the police, if not corrupted by Scientology to make up thier minds Cont......
scotschic 2 years ago 2
@mxlassi411 Read Dianetics. It is in dozens of languages, been selling since 1950. It will give you a start. If you don't like, nothing lost
petzoid 1 year ago
You arn't going to solve the problem of scientology with more lawsuits and court cases. The girl chose to join scientology, she chose to hand over her money, and she chose to commit suicide. Its a free country and we can't stop people from acting like idiots if they are hell bent on doing so. There is no such thing as 'brainwashing', there are just some people out there who are ready to believe increadibly stupid shit, and to believe very very strongly.
jacobins3000 2 years ago
But... to be honest other religions such as Christianity have caused the deaths of MILLIONS in the past. Alot more than Scientology. And I doubt that this girl killed herslef JUST cos' some people were giving her some crap. I'm not SURPRISED the Scientologists didn't come outside- all you would do is shout at them, and really, what is the POINT?! Now, I'm not a scientologist, and I dont beleive in Scientology, but I really dont like people attacking others becuase they are of a certain religion.
killerpen888 2 years ago
Thank you so much, you have the guts to say what we are so afraid of.
nman56 2 years ago
:( this is what we must fight. FIGHT BROTHERS FIGHTTT
p3ppyhar3 2 years ago
Save Scientologists: kill Scientology.
11Jamie11 2 years ago
dear tommy
you are a fantastic human being you rock YOU ARE DOING A FANTASTIC JOB YOUR MESSAGE IS REACHING THE WORLD
ducksoup2007 3 years ago 4
Filthy scientologists are tainting you comment page. They should just leave it alone and disperse already.
virus1244 3 years ago 5
Haha. You're the man. SPILL THE TRUTH!
timeclock911 3 years ago 7
scientology helps you not hurt you! so if someone in the Hospital dies or kills themselves in the Hospital will you blame it on the Hospital? no! you would know that they went to the Hospital for help but it didnt help in time!
247Aztec 3 years ago
if you have read the articles you would have known that she would have lived if she didnt join the scientologists
wareye12 3 years ago
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i dont need to read it, i know.....
if someone dies in the hospital do you blame the hospital?
i think not! you would know they went there for help but it was too late ok?
its not like she was the best person and then read scientology one day then decided to kill herself, she was messed up before she got there!
247Aztec 3 years ago
Thats like saying it was the young lass's fault in America who killed herself after abuse from that women who was acting like a 14 year old or something on the Internet. Just because they are messed up, there is no normal mind mate, the sick people who think that its okay to go round saying "ohh your ill your depressed if we dont help you" bullshit should be fucking shot!
mitchverr 3 years ago 2
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The Government helps Write these Articals and also Promotes them, i can write the same Artical in a way that would make someone make a youtube video talking about how Scientology Tried to Help people that need help and that this is an Example of why the World Needs Scientology
Scientology is Against drugs, they want people to talk about there problems, now if they go to Gods Judgement seat will they go to hell for trying to help people? i think not!
247Aztec 3 years ago
They make people pay thousands upon thousands of pounds/euros/dollars to get that "help", they want to ban psychology(which has helped me from stop killing myself before), sorry if i dont like em, these guys brainwash and threaten people, they blackmail those that want to leave the group and attack those that do not agree/criticize the group, they even likely killed a major critic who was on the bbc program.
mitchverr 3 years ago 4
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God never gives anyone more than they can handle.....
you are a strong person and this is why you survived, if anything if you took drugs they gave you they probably made it that much harder for you.
thats like saying were freeing the people of iraq... no we just made it worse there, and then they are thanking us for destroying there country then say well at least they protected me from terrorism? same thing, they fucked you up then said were protecting you!
247Aztec 3 years ago
What a completely illogical and stupid post mate, it made no sense at all...
(btw i dont believe in god)
mitchverr 3 years ago
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spirituality is more logical than flesh and blood and obviously if you dont understand me as i speak in terms you can understand how will you understand the spiritaul things i post? the answer is that you cant, we are speaking 2 completly different languages so it makes no sense to communicate unless you start listenenig with your spirit. goodbye.
247Aztec 3 years ago
I understand it, but it has no reason to be linked to a hostile group KNWON to be aggressive and dangerous.
mitchverr 3 years ago
Scientology is a criminal organization. It's not a religion. Religions do not charge ridiculous amounts of money to hear about their beliefs. Religions do not keep what people say in "confession" in a file for blackmail! Religions do not actively recruit celebrities and have an actual church building for celebrities' sole use! Religions do not stalk, harasss, sue and attack critics! We ALL understand you perfectly, it's just that what you say is bullshit.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago 23
Its simple really.
Religion = Good.
Scientology = Fucked.
(For the record, Atheism is counted as a religion, its still a belief)
ThatKidFromAisle11 2 years ago
Atheism is not a religion as its not a belief system, and religion is a load of bs.
C0mm0nS3ns3 2 years ago
oh fuck off, like you're so fucking great, you don't know shit mate, saying shit like that in regards to religious people. you're no better than a sexist or a racist, fuck you
ThatKidFromAisle11 2 years ago
Atheism is a belief, not every belief is a religion.
To say "Religion=good" is asinine, is Jerry Falwell Good? Is Bin Ladin Good?
Scientology is a religion and its no stupider than most of the other religions created throughout history. People choose to believe in religious BS, they don't choose what race or sex they are.
jacobins3000 2 years ago
@MsKittieReed Who are you to judge..GO AHEAD JUST START YOUR CHRTISTIAN CRUSADES AGAIN>
ivan93491 1 year ago
Christian, not a troll. lol...what an immature word to call someone, ANYONE, please quit writing and slandering me, thanks.
Happyone4 3 years ago
You know what, I'm not going to play this game anymore. You are a troll for Scientology. Which is fine, I'm open to any debate you want to have about Scientology. But don't start off by lying to me and claiming that I'm combative, irrationally defensive, etc. I have spent enough time speaking with Scientologists that I know you're demeanor and tricks. And you pretending to be anything else but a Scientologist right now showcases that you're lying, and I won't stand for it.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
No,I really am not...I am a Chrisitan from TX and I attend Grace Community Church.A non-denominational church near the Dallas area.=)
You seem paranoid.If you take the time to view some other videos on Scientology...you'll most likely come across other comments from me that show that I got chills and felt alarmed by what I saw on Scientology.Thanks.
Just because someone doesn't wish to argue with you or confronts your abrasive post to them (me) doesn't mean I am a Scientologist. LOL! =)
Happyone4 3 years ago
Some of you people writing back and forth below and playing mind games with one another really need to get a life...if you can CONTINUE TO COMMENT back and forth to each other over and over again I say you have too much time on your hands and that time could be put to much better use. Get out, volunteer, help family, read a book, educate yourself, help strangers, visit friends...do something. lol, and yes I myself do volunteer,etc. Getting a free moment today is a treat actually. =)
Happyone4 3 years ago
Oh wow, my troll detector just went off!
Happyone4 - You're seeing the very last moments of a very long conversation that spanned months and several videos. I don't think you have a very fair perspective. So instead of self-righteously passing judgement on other peoples' discussions, try leaving a comment that expresses your opinions about this video.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I wasn't being self righteous,I don't even know you,or vice-versa.I wasn't trying to pass any "exact" judgments on you.But I have a right to my observations,which is that it's sad that this video's page is being used merely as a sounding board for personal attacks now.Maybe Your argument may have started from long ago about various footage but it has obviously become more personal and more of a way to slander eachother by computer screen,which now I see you trying to do to me,so I'm done thanks.
Happyone4 3 years ago
Well you took the time out of your very important day to pass judgement on me for having an in-depth debate about something I care very deeply about. I think that's a little self-righteous. For the record, I do consider this to be helping a stranger, volunteering, helping families, and educating myself. So you see? My time is not wasted. So how do you feel about the video?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I'm sorry,you are most likely a very nice person who is just frustrated for a number of reasons with me,others and life in general but you continue to come off very defensive and ready to pounce which makes me personally not care to have a conversation with you about the video (other than to state that for the record I myself am not a Scientologist,I'm a Christ follower.)Take care and best wishes to you and ToryluvsLRH, I hope you two can come to some understanding or let things go eventually.=)
Happyone4 3 years ago
I am not a frustrated person at all, I'm up front and enthusiastic about my responses because this is very important to me. You & I are strangers, so to assume that I would just attack someone out of the blue is unfounded & insulting, I had a right to try to correct you. And for the record, it became personal when this person started calling me a prostitute, terrorist, criminal, liar, abuse victim, etc.. for simply asking her questions about her religion. She made it personal, not me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
It wasn't about you correcting me, it was the manner in which you did it. Please lets drop it. This page was meant to discuss the girl you sadly died, so I do not wish to get stuck in back and forth banter as you did with the other poster on here. I wish you both luck as stated earlier and WILL NOT be responding to any more comments, thank you.
Happyone4 3 years ago
You're welcome and happy trails.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Now I have to go to sleep, but rest assured that any responses you post I will reply to as soon as I get a chance.
I really do hope you have a good weekend, and I wish the best for you in life. I hope that you seriously consider being honest with me in the future, as I will continue to do so with you.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Well done Kittie!! At least now you have a purpose in life! Keep me posted on how things go ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Isn't it strange that with all the expansion Scientology is supposed to be doing with your hard-earned money, there's no org for over 300 miles from the city I live in? They should be all over the place by now, right? Isn't that what David Miscavige keeps telling you? Why is there no Org around here for me to protest personally?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
See Kittie - Even you know that there should be a COS in every small city as well as the big ones. Funny how that even seems strange to you. Just hang in there as the COS locations are growing.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
You're not growing, honey. You don't have 8 million members. The last US Census reported less than 70,000 Scientologists TOTAL in the United States. That's pathetic, a government census isn't wrong... David Miscavige is a liar.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
The last US Census? What are you? A freakin weather girl? lol.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
The US Census? Are you really that poorly educated that you don't even know what the Census is?! My God, you're education as a Scientologist is worse than I ever imagined! The rest of the country knows what a census is when they're 15 years old!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
LMAO!! Kittie you are starting to sound abit desperate honey. So far you know what all 250,000 folks are doing in your town and you know that EVERYONE 15 & older in the US knows about census! The Scn Ethics Book explains why you "generalize" your comments. Look it up. Its really neat that LRH knew this.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Oh come on, silly, it's common sense. You list every other Scientology Church, why isn't there one listed in the phone book or the church's own website??? Why?! Why isn't one listed if you're soooo sure there's one here? You generalized telling me that if there's a city over 250,000 people there HAS to be a Scientology church here. But there's not! It's just plain not true. And the census is a required thing that all public school students learn in 10th Grade in America! Idiot!!!!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
You dont know about Scn in your own city and I'm the idiot? How does that work? If your city has over 50,000 folks in it there is Scn there. You should know that with all your "proof"! LMAO! Might as well go check em out honey. But leave your mask at home or they wont think you are being sincere ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
And I'm really not from a small town, there's over 250,000 people here. And not one single, solitary Scientologist to be found. That's impossible, according to your leader. How can that be?!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie I can GUARENTEE you that if you have 250,000 people you have tons of Scn and there are Scn meetings going on there somewhere. Thats a fact ... not a guess. Sorry honey but we are in your town as well ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Well I checked the yellow pages and your church's website, I don't see Church of Scientology listed anywhere in either place... So your church is what, so ashamed of itself it's hiding out now?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
We both know that it is killing you to see that Scn is actually alive & thriving in your city. You cant stand it! The Scn Ethics book will explain this to you as well. Isnt that amazing? You dont know why you are so overli pissed & possessed with this but Scn knows. Might as well check it out.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I'm not pissed, I asked you a valid question. You can't answer it so you're lying. It's what Scientologists do! Can't answer a question, lie. Can't prove someone wrong, lie. Can't shut someone up, lie & call them names. Can't get someone's money anymore, turn on them.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I'm so very sorry that you have a substandard education. You know an ethics book like the back of your hand, but you've apparently never taken an American History class in your entire life. You know less about your own country than the country you live in. That's just.. disgusting.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Wait.. that came out wrong. Lol. You know less about the country you live in than the rules of Scientology. And that, my dear, is disturbing AND disgusting. How in the hell do you have a job?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
That may be true to you but lets look at one interesting thing here. You cant get enough of me or my comments! You love it and I have probably made you feel more alive than you have felt in years! I'm name calling but you can call me stupid & an idiot? I love this! May I copy something I saw? " Another one bites the dust!" ... LOL!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Just answer the damn question, skippy. If there's a church here, why isn't it listed in the phone book or on your church's website? Where can I find it if it's not listed anywhere? It must not exist then...
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I talk to you because I'm hoping someday you'll realize that I'M NOT AGAINST YOU, I'M AGAINST A CULT THAT I'M AFRAID SOMEDAY MIGHT DO SOMETHING TERRIBLE TO YOU! Too many people die in, or because of, Scientology. I'm worried about you & I don't want anything bad to happen to you. And yeah, its frustrating at times, fighting for someone who thinks I'm evil. But the thought that you might get out makes it worthwhile for me. So I take a deep breath & start again. You're worth it, to me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I'm not an evil person, I know you're told to think of me as a "wog", just a stupid subclass of human being because I'm not in Scientology. But I don't have an ulterior motive, what motivates me to fight with you so hard is a desire to keep you safe. And that's it, you're safety is my driving force. You're a kitten stuck up a tree, and yes, every kitten eventually finds their own way down. But I want to help, if I can. That's why I fight with you. Why do you fight with me?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I know that as long as you're still ranting at me, you're not locked up in a room somewhere, against your will, being tortured. As long as you're still ranting, I know you're conscious, alive, breathing, eating, sleeping, and functioning. The day it stops is the day I'll lose my cool. I don't know anything about you, other than that you hate me. And I care about you that much. Evil people don't do things like that for people they don't care about.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie - I love you ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Ok Kittie - What is a wog?
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Alright, I'm not trying to make you look foolish to anyone else by asking this question. I'd PM you, but you don't respond to those, so I have to put this question in here. Why are you lying and playing ignorant about your own religion? You know what a wog is. If it wasn't a derrogatory word, you'd be able to say "A wog is just a word for a non-Scientologist". But that's not what it is, it's derrogatory. It's like the bad wizards in Harry Potter movies calling people Mud Bloods.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Are you a Mud-blood kittie? You know what it means ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I'm a human being! And I think it's disgusting that The Church of Scientology has another word for people who aren't Scientologists. And a derrogatory word, at that! We're not fellow human beings to you, we're just wogs. Just stupid, ignorant wogs.
That's an incredibly prejudiced and narcissistic way to walk through life.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Right kittie ... so what does wog mean?
Doylethepansy 3 years ago
Scientologists say it means "Non-Scientologist". But it's only used in a degrading manner towards people they don't like.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
And now we know you dont know shit! OMG that was easy!!! Who else thinks they know a Scn term?
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Really? So it is a Scientology term? Just 5 hours ago, you lied to me telling me you didn't know what a wog was. Liar! The proof is on this very page... just 9 short posts ago:
ToryluvsLRH (5 hours ago) Kittie - What is a wog?
So what does it mean, since I got it wrong? What is a wog?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie you are the slowest thinking person I have ever met. You border on just plain dumb!! LOL. I never said I didnt know what it meant silly. I said I wanted to know what you thought it meant. Gotcha babe!!! Nice try .. LMAO!!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Well you were misleading, I dare say intentionally. Well, communication is what Scientology's all about, right? Apparently someone miscommunicated the meaning of the word wog to me. Will you please tell me what it means? Minus insults, preferably..
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie you claim to know alot about Scn. I checked you on one item and you didnt know it. You are wrong on many others. That makes it hard for you to learn the facts about Scn. Being wrong happens to all of us. But not caring just to prove a point is dangerous....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I don't claim to know alot about Scientology. I know alot about their behavior towards Anons and former members. That's all I claim to know about. And if I'm wrong about what a wog is, use the communication skills Scientology prides itself on, and communicate the truth to me. Tell me what a wog is.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie when anon decided to attack Scn and its members it ran into a group who will fight harder and more aggressively than anon could imagine. We are a loving group who really cares about man but attack & threaten us and you will see a church who will get in your face and hold our position. We will match & then better our enemies. I wish it didnt have to be that way but it must ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Really? So being physically aggressive with teenagers and shoving a disabled man around proves the true might and greatness of the Church of Scientology? What fucking bullshit! When we have protests, you draw the blinds & send out your frightened security guards. Or if one of you does have the balls to come out and talk, you get pissed off & become violent because that's the last resort for a desperate person who knows that in their heart, they're wrong, and THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie that is whats really pissing you off and it actually bugs ALL anons. We Scn wont come out and play when you show up! LMAO! Cant you take a hint to how important you are to us? We are not interested in you. We just have someone come out and say hello. We just peak out the windows and LOAO!!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
No, what really bugs me is that you can tell me I'm defining a Scientology word wrong, but you can't tell me what the real definition is! If you can, prove it! Tell me what the Scientology definition of "wog" is!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Know what bugs me kittie. You quote all of the info you claim to have that proves Scn crimes but when I ask you to define a simple term, you dont have that info. You need to look for yourself if you want to know. To do otherwise just makes you look silly. But on a good note ... I still dont hate you! How epic is that!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I did look into it, and what I found out was that you have a word for people who aren't in Scientology. It's wog. If that's wrong, you're a Scientologist, you should want me to know the truth. Stop skirting the issue. Tell me what a wog is.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
L. Ron Hubbard defined wog as a "common, everyday garden-variety humanoid.... He 'is' a body. [He] doesn't know he's there, etc. He isn't there as a spirit at all. He is not operating as a thetan. The term comes from 'Worthy Oriental Gentleman', from the days of the British in Egypt.
So... Hubbard said "wogs" or non-Scientologists don't have a soul? Umm.. fuck you.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
LOL! At least you are trying kittie. If I said I wanted the Yankees to "Kill" the Red Sox this week, am I asking that the Red Sox be murdered or is there another meaning in play here. You are close but not quite there. You have taken the time to find horrible things to say about my church so you can look to find the good. Its easy if you stay off Xenutv. LOL!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Changing the subject again, dear..
Tell me what you, personally, believe the word "wog" means? Because in the UK, it has pretty racist undertones. It's like using "The N Word". And this is a word that your leader chose for the rest of us average joes? That's pretty sick. Where might I find a Scientology-approved definition of this word online? Since you can't tell me, perhaps you can give me directions to a resource you find credible enough to enlighten me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
The answer lies in the complete lecture where LRH mentions wog. I hear folks in here say LRH said to make a million just start a church. Well he did say that but if you listen to the lecture you see what he was referring to. But leave that part out and you have a field day insulting the man. I expect you to put forth the same amount of energy in finding the answer as you have finding fault. Get ALL the data before you attack ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Ok, so back to my question, for the 5th time, what is a wog? How does Scientology define it? Tell me, or shut the hell up.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
It's easy dear, tell me what your church taught you about the word "wog". It's not divulging church secrets, it's using basic Scientology communication to tell me a very basic idea that your church teaches. It's not difficult, tell me your definition of the word "wog". I know you want me to find out the truth for myself, but you disagree with the opinion I've formed about that word. So now, I want to hear your opinion. Tell me what the word "wog" means to you.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Let me say this to you again. Sooner or later you will understand. Go find out for yourself. You know where to look. Do you have the courage to find out?
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I did find out for myself! I found out that the word "wog" is a derrogatory, insulting word Scientologists use for non-Scientologists. It's equal to the "N" word!
If that's wrong, tell me what I got wrong. Use your superior Scientology communication skills, and tell me the right definition of that word. It's just a word, for crying out loud! It's not a church secret, Scientologists say it on videos. Defining a word shouldn't be this difficult for anyone, why can't you do it?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
You claim to have the def so you dont need my help. But it shows how your thought process works on this subject..
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
No, dear, this is my thought process:
I gave you the definition for "wog" that I found. If it's wrong, you should want me to know the true definition. If Scientology is so open and honest, why can't you define one tiny little word for me? Why are you hiding the answer? Is it because you're embarassed to be using a degrading word like that for other human beings? Or is it because you're not allowed to tell me?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Here, let's make a deal. If you promise to define the word "wog", put the quote from Hubbard into context, and tell me how it's used in your church - I promise I will tell you give you a link to a picture that will make you laugh. Guaranteed giggles, I swear. I'll also tell you about my absolute favorite website in the entire world, you play word puzzles to earn tickets, and you get free prizes. Don't even have to pay for shipping.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
The point of me making this little bargain is to show you that I'm a living, breathing person. I'm not some monster who wants to ruin your life. As an individual, I care about people - I care about you, even though we've never met, and in that we are the same. I'm trying to understand all the mystery and controversy surrounding your religion, because what I hear isn't good. And yes, there are resources for information about Scientology, but I want to hear it from you. Please open up to me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie - What you can offer me to prove you are in fact human is to stop attacking my church with your unproven proof. The wog word is just a small sample of the mistakes you have made in regards to Scn. What troubles me is that you didnt do your homework before joing the lynch mob. I have read from anon about all the stuff LRH took that showed after he died. Only one small prob here ... LRH never had an autopsy! Understand?
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
You can't even recognize me as a living, breathing, person without it being conditional on me submitting to Scientology. That's wrong. So tell me what I'm getting wrong. Spell it out for me. We'll start with "wog". Define it for me, put it in context. After you tell me, I won't be misinformed anymore.
And "unproven proof" - the correct way to say it is unfounded proof. (-;
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie would I really waste time talking to you if I thought you werent important? Sometimes sadly you have to really get someones attention especially if they are screaming so loud they cant hear the truth. You matter kittie. I saw that at the beginning of our chats. The rest is just dramatics ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
"Kittie - What you can offer me to prove you are in fact human is to stop attacking my church"
You said it yourself. I have to PROVE that I'm a human being to you, and the only way to do it is to stop criticizing Scientology. I'm sorry, but I'm a human being and worthy of respect, no matter what my beliefs about Scientology are.
Please, oh pretty please, just tell me the definition of "wog"...
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Well if you are going to bribe me I thought you should prove your are being sincere. You dont get respect just because you are human. You earn respect by respecting yourself & others. That includes tolerance.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
It was a silly bribe, it wasn't like I was offering money. I was going to show you other things that I'm interested in to show you that I'm not some black-hearted monster who wants to ruin your life. I guess that wasn't sincere enough...
So, you going to define "wog" for me yet, or do I have to keep asking?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie you need to lighten up and have some fun here. I dont take this anon stuff seriously. I just like to hear what others have to say. I'm done with giving definitions though as you guys dont believe anything I say anyway so no point in giving you ammo to throw back at me. Hope you have a good weekend and then lets get back to battle....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Yeah I suppose using a degrading, insulting word for the majority of people in the world is a little embarassing. I'd hide it too, but luckily I don't use words like that for other human beings.
And for someone who doesn't take Anon seriously, you and your church members get pretty upset. To the point where you're violent towards Anons, that's not quite an ambivalent response to something that's not upsetting you.
Have a great weekend!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie the fun is coming in here and messing with you kids. No one actually takes any of you guys seriously but why not have some fun with it. I "act" mad, upset, happy, etc. I have had several anon kids private mail me saying they had no problem with Scn. They were just having a laugh. Its an act honey. If I was really upset I wouldnt come in here. But you cant believe the threats I have gotten and I have been called everything in the book. Most of the kids in here are good.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I guess that makes you a liar, seeing as all this time you've been "acting" with me. I guess I have no reason accept anything from you as truth anymore. Silly me, I thought you were an honest person.
I don't care if Anons send you messages of praise (which I highly doubt), I'm not a fan of Scientology & I have the right to talk about it.
You've called me a terrorist, prostitute, liar, drug addict, psychopath, religious bigot - don't expect any sympathy from me for being called names.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Wow ... now thats tough love. Sounds good to me! I do believe you are much younger than you try to make me think. You dont duplicate communication very well. Look at your last response. It doesnt match anything I said. You always embellish. ALWAYS! But its fun ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I responded to everything you just said. I've learned how to read between the lines with Scientologists since honesty isn't a virtue they prize, apparently.
And I do embellish, for the express purpose of pointing out the hypocrisy in nearly everything you say.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I can't believe someone who's as intelligent as you are approves of calling people "wogs". How degrading, insulting.. Do you know the origin of that word? It was a word the British used to use for middle-eastern and north-african people, and it's not a pleasant word. It's equal to using the "N" word. You should be ashamed to even have that word in your lexicon.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Great! At least we now understand each other. I also like the Beatles. So now you know it all ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
So you're not denying that you've been lying to me this entire time? Or that the word "wog" is a very derrogatory, slanderous word for other fellow human beings?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie when we first starting talking I was being honest with you. After I realized your intention was to just get ammo to throw back in my face I decided to mix fact with fiction. Its been that way since. Why be open with you since your intent is to just be nasty. Remember your "another one bites the dust"? That told me all I needed to know about your intention ....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
You were being incredibly nasty & were cutting me off with a lot of remaining questions. I wasn't admitting defeat & that message sure as hell got you talking again. And I haven't withheld anything from you. Most of the time, I was trying to get you to explain things about your church so that I could understand. Then if it didn't seem right to me, or you were withholding things for no good reason, I called you on it. Then you started insulting me & it got nasty. At least I was honest.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie I started off very civil with you. But you kept ranting about saving me and hoping I would wake up and how murderous Scn was. You kept it up and I decided shock value was needed. So I said some things to shake you up and get you to back up abit. Seemed a waste and it ruined our better chats but it did the job. And look at us. After all the crap we are still talking so I think we know dramatics from fact...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
But there ARE people who have died in gruesome ways under Scientology's care. Look up Lisa McPherson, Joseph Havineth, and those are just two names. Even if Scientology didn't take them out back and shoot them in the head, these people were under their care and should have had proper, immediate medical attention. That's something Scn should be taking seriously, but they don't - they deny it. It's dangerous, it sends the message to the public that they think it's ok to do it again.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
And don't think my wrath is reserved specifically for Scientology. I was infuriated when all the child molestation cases were happening with the catholic church. I'm pissed that mosts of those priests got a slap on the wrist, when they're obviously pedophiles who need to be locked away and safely rehabillitated. But at least the catholic church recognizes its wrong-doings and did something about it. I think Scientology needs to do the same.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
And you were not civil with me to begin with, you called me every name in the book and started immediately calling me stupid, ignorant, and immature for asking you about these things. For ASKING you, I wasn't even accusing. It wouldn't kill Scientologists to answer a few questions once in awhile, it might even calm the public's nerves a little bit.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
I originally started speaking to you because I wanted to have an honest, open dialogue. I was hoping that you would just simply explain some very basic things about Scientology to me. But you can't even define a word like "wog" that Scientologists use in youtube videos. It's not exactly a secret word, and it isn't something in any of the Bridge courses, so I figured that wasn't something you would get in trouble for talking about. But you can't even do that! WHY NOT?!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Well I had a great day. My best friend just had a baby, and I got to spend the day shopping for baby clothes & toys. He's an adorable little boy, and his parents are really into softball. So I even knitted him a little white stocking hat with red stitches so it looks like a softball. How was your day?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Nothing to say to me now. Ok, well I can get back to my original thoughts about this video. Scientology's stress tests are dangerous. They're criminal in the sense that they're not medically or psychologically certified tests, and the goal of the people administering these tests is to make money, not to heal the mind. Thank you Tommy for putting this video up. I hope her family gets justice & someday these "stress tests" will be outlawed all over the world.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
LMAO!!! Thank you LRH. So far she has said & done evrything you said someone like that would say. They really are that predictable!! Amazing!!!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Yeah, pray to him sweetie.. And you act like he's not your God. Sickening.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Did you know, dear, that they reported on C-Span last night that Mike Rinder is talking to the FBI about David Miscavige & your church's illegal activities? That's right chickie, your little cult is about to be drug through the mire again, and this time they're not going to get away with it because Rinder has alllll kinds of paperwork & proof of all the little misdeeds. Get out now, sweetie. Or have fun in prison - don't drop the soap!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
(yawn) - I dont watch trash tv kittie so I will leave that up to you. Keep me briefed! Ok ... back to the Munsters!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Okay, just don't say I didn't warn you.
Ready to tell me what a "wog" is yet? I'm an open book, I just want to be written in. I want to understand you better, I'm not going to use it to attack you. Pretty please, define the word "wog" for me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie I luv ya but I dont trust you one bit. You have shown your true colors I'm afraid ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Yeah, deny & district. You know, something doesn't make sense to me. Scientologists claim they want the whole world to know what they know, but when asked, they never tell you a single word of what they know. And I think that's.. a little hypocritical. Can you see where someone might think that?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Distract! Not district... ahhhh long day.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Quitter...
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Ahhhhhh .... you missed me.
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
I think you have a very poor attitude towards non-scientologists. "Wogs", do you really think you're so much better than everyone else? Does it make you feel good, having this false superiority over everyone?
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Actually, I don't miss talking to you because you weren't as fun toward the end. I just wanted to make sure you're still alive & kickin'. Good to see Scientology hasn't killed you yet.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie you are still a liar. You wrote me because you missed me! I bought my basic book & tape package this weekend and just finished the LRH DVD series. WOW!! What an amazing man!! How are your murder accusations going?
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Congratulation son your wasted money! And I'm not a liar, I do care about you. But it's hard to be nice to someone who hates you. And you do, you're just not as good as hiding it as you were in the beginning. But I'm a "wog", or I dare say by now I'm considered to be an "SP", so you aren't morally required by the Church of Scientology to be nice or honest to me anymore.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie have you been a drama queen all of your 22 years of life? I have a feeling that acting that way has gotten you your way for quite some time now. How would you like to able to get what you want out of life without having to "act" to get it? I can help you. I wish you could see the LRH DVD in this set as it explains WOG! There ya go honey ... you ask & LRH delivers!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
My goodness, what a compliment to be called 22 again. How sweet of you, dear. And I don't have to "act" to get what I want, I worked very hard to get where I am. I'd be glad to see how LRH defines wog. Please tell me where I can get this information freely, as I do not wish to cash in my 401K for Scientology courses. If it's available online and free, I'm game. See? No drama.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
And please stop trying to figure out who I am. I know how fun Fair Game must be for all of you, but I'm not an easy person to find. And please tell whoever it was who tried to hack into my email, and my little sister's myspace & ebay accounts that it's being investigated by the department of homeland security - don't fuck with government employees, sugaroo. Stop trying to stalk me down online or you'll find yourselves in prison. That's a promise.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
LMFAO!!!! Holy shit!! You are freaking psycho!!! OMG!!! A paranoid freaking wack job!!! just what I need .... a groupie wanna be psych student going around proving how crazy psychiatry really is. You need to find another chat friend honey. Someone a little closer to your meds ..
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
And you're a cult member who can't handle the bad things she participates in every day. I'm sorry, darling, but your insults mean nothing to the real world. Your cult will crash into pieces and you will wonder what the hell happened someday. When that day comes, I don't want an apology, I just want you to let me know if you need help getting back onto your feet again.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
You wishing my church nothing but pain & destruction is like me wanting your family to be killed in a car wreck. What kind of person would wish that for another human being even if they didnt like it themselves? You are deranged ethically. Your intentions are to harm. You need help in ways you dont understand. Sadly for your friends .. I dont think you will ever get it.....
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
Whatever you want to believe. But if your opinion ever changes, you know where to find me. The offer for a plane ticket anywhere in the world if you ever need it still stands. I think that's all we need to say to each other. But feel free to check in with me once in awhile, I know it seems ridiculous to you, but it gives me peace of mind knowing you're ok.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
you IDIOTS have read the article..and watche dthem talking to teh girls GRIEF STRICKEN father and yet you stilll do not believe after reviewinga all the facts..that they played a hand in her death?u peopel are STOOPID.
slacker97068 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Dude! Please! Learn to freaking spell! And stop buying into Gormans lies. He is a fraud so pay him no mind! Make him PROVE his points or tell him to shut up!
toryluvslrh1 3 years ago
You're really relaxed tonight. Get your hands on some Xanax or something? Don't worry, I won't tell...
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
And ALL human beings on the planet, regardless of their opinions concerning Scientology, deserve to be treated fairly and with respect.
But what do I know, I'm "just a wog", I guess in Scientology, "wogs" aren't entitled to be treated like people.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
From the videos i have seen with scientologists involved you scientologists look like group of comic book characters. So in reality you scientologists hurt your own cause by acting like a bunch of weird comic booking acting retards. If your religion is that inlightened you should be able to openly debate your religion's belief's in a civil manner but from what i have seen you people do not have a the character or brains to do just that!
Robert4363 3 years ago
Scn refuses to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent ...
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
So now, stop changing the f'ing subject, use your superior Scientology communication skills, and communicate the definition of a wog to me.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Very nice.. you created a whole brand new you tube account just to talk to me? I'm flattered... Now bugger off and go badger someone else. I have enough of you people on my ass as it is.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Another one bites the dust! Another one bites the dust!! This is way too easy ... LMAO!!
ToryluvsLRH 3 years ago
It doesn't change much but the Norwegian girl was a student at Nice in France and killed herself when the CoS told her she was a failure. People say the French have got lax about Scientology recently. Her father is a member of the Norwegian legislature and so able to get things done. The CoS has a new instruction to get people crying at the Stress Test; gives 'Stress Test' a new meaning.
auchraw 3 years ago
I'm glad her family is persuing this. It sucks that legislators in any country generally leave things like this alone unless it happens to their own family. It's horrible how this woman's life ended, but hopefully her family's fight will prevent it from happening to another. And as for the Scientologists making people cry during stress tests.. they should go home and shower with rubbing alcohol or they'll never get the evil and blood off their hands.
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie please get help. There are hotlines you can call that help with abuse. Your father, fiance, whoever it is that is hurting you (and they must be close to you) please seek help. That should come first. You owe it to your family ...
Iamfearedbyanon 3 years ago
My dear, that is completely pathetic. You can't defend, because you know you're wrong. So you attack.. with calling me a victim of abuse? Really? That's the best you can do? Abuse? Ran out of other insults like criminal, terrorist, religious bigot, nazi-psych supporter, prostitute, drug addict, mental patient.. so you go with victim of abuse? Getting desperate, aren't you? Accepting, Loving Scientologist Officially Runs Out of Insults, you saw it first here folks!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
For someone who's church creed is a list of inalienable rights.. you don't seem to respect mine. I have an inalienable right to my own defense, right? I have an inalienable right to think freely, to talk freely, to write freely my own opinions and to counter or utter or write upon the opinions of others, right? You don't seem to be supporting my rights, according to your own church. Why is that? Because I'm a wog? A sub-class of human being because I'm not a Scientologist? Shame on you!
MsKittieReed 3 years ago
Kittie look at your response. You are not well. Its a classic abuse sign. Your rights? What about Scn rights to worship what they want the way they want. Get a grip kittie! You are too tied up in this and its wiping you out. Relax and change the subject to something you can talk about.
Iamfearedbyanon 3 years ago
I've defeated you, and you know it. Let's talk about that. If seeing people upset or fired up bothers scientologists so much, why didn't the Scientologist giving the woman in Tommy's video a break and back the fuck off of her when they knew she wasn't in the right place for emotional harassment and condemnation from your church? You people make money off of abusing other people's minds. You're sick. I'm threatening you by saying it out loud. I'm not abused. I'm winning this fight.
MsKittieReed