NASA Mythbusters

[guesser7]

Hey this whole thing stinks. These tests were not independant then? NASA had input, It was stage managed by them. Oh well the hoax is well and truly back on then eh? And stronger than ever.

[boomshanka]

Another argument that the hoax retards keep hammering about, that cut-and-paste type computer graphics progams were used to fake the photos, falls flat on its face because no such computer graphics programs existed in the late 60s and early 70s.

[straydog02]

I would like to thank the "Mythbusters" for showing us all exactly how NASA faked some of their Apollo photography.

You both have done a tremendous service for those who want to expose one of the biggest lies ever committed by the US government and NASA.

Google 'Operation Paperclip' to research what kind of evil war criminals faked Project Apollo.

'Operation Paperclip (NHD 2008)'

watch?v=iGQBEdEnRAo

[pdog2013]

people like you need to shut the heck up because we did land on the moon and mythbusters proved it. how do you explain the low gravity in the videos of neil armstrong. watch the mythbusters episode that proves that the usa has been on the moon. get a life dude!!

[straydog02]

"people like you need to shut the heck up because we did land on the moon and mythbusters proved it."

All the Mythbusters managed to prove is how easy it was to fake the Apollo photography.

"how do you explain the low gravity in the videos of neil armstrong."

It's called slow motion photography, combined with wire rigs, like the Apollo a/nots used for their "training".. Also known as special effects.. NASA also used early blue screen imaging and air brushed their phony Apollo photos.

[YouDoobed]

Most people would rather rate this down than actually go and look at Operation Paperclip.

The Feds are in the business of deception.

The moon landing footage is just one example.

[straydog02]

"Most people would rather rate this down than actually go and look at Operation Paperclip."

Exactly right .. The Apollo defenders aren't capable of seeing the truth about anything negative concerning the bogus Apollo Program.

"The Feds are in the business of deception."

Correct again... and unfortunately, the bigger the lie (deception ), the more people will believe it .. NASA's 'Operation Paperclip' Nazi's understood that concept very well.

[blackmetalqueer]

What about the retro reflector that was placed there by Apollo 15? They flashed a laser at it and it reflected back, that only could happen if humans went to the moon, and placed a retro reflector there!

[straydog02]

Laser reflectors were placed on the Moon by the Soviets using unmanned missions... NASA could have done the same thing.. Reflectors on the moon are no proof of manned landings.

[blackmetalqueer]

dude, we went to the damn moon!

Besides, why would they go through the trouble of faking 5 more missions to the moon? If we already got the political recognition for going there with Apollo 11, why fake 5 more return flights that nobody besides scientists cared about?

[WhiteJarrah]

wspaceport: "I gave you the link so you can contact Louis Parker, since his contact info is there. You can query him on the existence of the portable vacuum chamber & suit gloves that were exhibited at the NSTA conference in the George Brown Convention Center in Houston, TX in 1990."

Perhaps you would care to explain why Louis Parker told me they had no such vacuum chamber at that exhibition?

See "MoonFaker: A Puffy Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon P3" for details.

watch?v=nC0Y4hBvAcw

[wspaceport]

WJ:"Perhaps you would care to explain why Louis Parker told me they had no such vacuum chamber at that exhibition?"

Perhaps because there was one there, which Louis calls a "glove box" -- described as "a small vacuum chamber" (a circular acrylic/plexiglass-like tube about 3x5 ft in size), just like what's here:

coop. jsc. nasa. gov/ photo/ 1999/ springwork/ glovebox1. jpg

and here:

coop. jsc. nasa. gov/ photo/ 1999/ springwork/ glovebox2. jpg

Anything else you don't understand?

[WhiteJarrah]

"Perhaps because there was one there, which Louis calls a "glove box" -- described as "a small vacuum chamber" (a circular acrylic/plexiglass-like tube about 3x5 ft in size), just like what's here:"

Your twisting of words will not work: Parker explicitly stated that the glove box at that event was not depressurized, that there was no vacuum chamber.

And those photos are of Shuttle EMU gloves in a vacuum chamber, which you know and I know are an improvement over the A7L/A7L-B gloves.

[wspaceport]

WJ:"Perhaps you would care to explain why Louis Parker told me they had no such vacuum chamber at that exhibition?"

--Perhaps *you* would care to explain why you waited until after uploading your "Doco" to ask this question three days ago -- instead of before?

Any fair dinkum Journo wishing to be taken seriously would have at least attempted to give a bloke a fair go in order to appear objective.

Instead, what you did was shonky and makes you a no-hoper around the tall poppies.

[EGMAG]

The MythBusters are now PAYOLA BUSTED! Are they are so stupid they can't see the inconsistencies in the the alleged moonwalks?

[WhiteJarrah]

Wow, the Mythbusters decide to do their vacuum chamber tests using NASA's equipment. Does the phrase "The Fox guarding the Hen House" ring any bells?

Did they at least bring a brand-new still sealled in the box pressure guage do make sure the one NASA was using wasn't doctored?

[smlbstcbr]

Damn it! It can be demonstrated by using physics that there is no air there and that a flag will wave longer in the vaccum. Besides, if there was something wrong with the vaccum and the flag (which is non sense), would the NASA allow them to use their equipment knowing that the MB could actually make their own?

What I mean is, there are lots of vaccum chambers all over the world, so the thing can actually be compared by others.

[smlbstcbr]

I forgot, did you saw the entire program? Because they did the thing of the feather and the cannonball (actually a hammer) and effectively, there was no gas inside that chamber.

[WhiteJarrah]

"I forgot, did you saw the entire program? Because they did the thing of the feather and the cannonball (actually a hammer) and effectively, there was no gas inside that chamber."

Are you aware that the tiniest object an astronaut can grip in a fully pressurized Apollo A7L spacesuit is only one inch thick? How does an astronaut grip a feather with only a one-inch grip?

[smlbstcbr]

Again, did you see it?

And by the way, a special mechanism was used, to avoid the human factor.

May I ask you from where did you get that bit of the Apollo A7L suit?

[smlbstcbr]

And, when the guys of Apollo (persons which I admire a lot) did that thing, the feather was not held by the calamus, it was resting in the space formed by the fingers and the thumb, similar to the position adopted by the hand when you make soap bubbles, resting on the vane.

[WhiteJarrah]

It hasn't aired in Australia yet.

"And by the way, a special mechanism was used, to avoid the human factor."

Well then, the experiment was VOID. I knew th Mythbusters would screw it up one way or another, they always do.

"May I ask you from where did you get that bit of the Apollo A7L suit?"

Jan Lundberg of Hasselblad, the guy who modified the cameras for use with an astronaut's glove. He explicitly states that the A7L suit glove can't grip anything smaller than an inch.

[smlbstcbr]

Ok, then he has holding the feather by the vane, nothing too unusual. That way he can move the feather all around (despite the absence of air). And wait for the episode, it will be an eye opening experience to you.

May I ask why a release mechanism would void this experiment? (despite eliminating human error)

[EGMAG]

So why why why why is it taking so long long long to go to the moon presently?

[wspaceport]

EGMAG asks:"So why why why why is it taking so long long long to go to the moon presently?"

Because, because, because the U.S trashed the infrastructure that was originally built back in the 60s for Apollo when public opinion and the U.S. Congress turned their interests elsewhere.

[EGMAG]

wspaceport U.S trashed the infrastructure <<

Look; As Americans we all want moonjive to be true. It ain't; and your trashing stuff is a stupid theory. America has WW1 machinery it brings back to life. We would never trash important working Apollo equipment. Even so we can't go now because it is far to dangerous to kill out of earth orbit astronauts for the sake of bullshit stories.

[wspaceport]

EGMAG sez:"Look; As Americans we all want moonjive to be true. It ain't; and your trashing stuff is a stupid theory."

Really? Then show me where all the production jigs for the Saturn V (S-1C, S-II, S-IVB) are kept, or the LUTs (Launch Umbilical Towers). Tell me where all the production tooling and machinery is for the Apollo CSM spacecraft at the Rockwell Downey plant in California which no longer exists.

Careful EGMAG, your ignorance slip is showing once again...

[WhiteJarrah]

"Ok, then he has holding the feather by the vane"

No, he was holding it by the shaft: zoom in on the footage.

"May I ask why a release mechanism would void this experiment?"

No one is denying that a MACHINE can drop a feather in a vacuum chamber. Even high school kids do those experiments in class.

The problem is an ASTRONAUT can't do this because the GLOVES prevent him from gripping the feather.

That alone immediately invalidates their experiment.

[WhiteJarrah]

David Scott probably dropped a feather made of wire to bypass the air resistance it would have encountered in the sea level pressure he no doubt was in.

[wspaceport]

Jarrah sez:"David Scott probably dropped a feather made of wire to bypass the air resistance it would have encountered in the sea level pressure he no doubt was in."

I'll use your favorite quote back on you: "Proof please"

AFAIK, a moon dusted falcon feather (from the falcon mascot of the US Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, CO) is still there on the lunar surface.

Put together a Google Lunar X Prize team and compete for $30 million US in prize money to prove your "claim" right.

[WhiteJarrah]

"I'll use your favorite quote back on you: "Proof please""

Jan Lundberg's statement that a A7L/A7L-B glove can't grip anything thinner than an inch.

[WhiteJarrah]

"Jan Lundberg's statement that a A7L/A7L-B glove can't grip anything thinner than an inch."

^ when pressurized.

[wspaceport]

Jarrah's (lacking) "proof":"Jan Lundberg's statement that a A7L/A7L-B glove can't grip anything thinner than an inch...when pressurized."

--As has been said elsewhere, Mr. Lundberg may have been an engineer who modified the Hasselblad 500/EL Data Camera for use on the Apollo missions, but he is not, however, an expert on all things photographic or technical -- such as knowing the properties of the ILC Dover built A7L/A7L-B suits or gloves.

He wasn't there (the moon) to know definitively.

[wspaceport]

Jarrah sez:"Are you aware that the tiniest object an astronaut can grip in a fully pressurized Apollo A7L spacesuit is only one inch thick? How does an astronaut grip a feather with only a one-inch grip?"

--The same way you'd grip a coin (on the thin edge) like a U.S. Dime or Quarter...which I've done with no difficulties with my own hand in a spacesuited glove inside a vacuum chamber.

[WhiteJarrah]

"The same way you'd grip a coin (on the thin edge) like a U.S. Dime or Quarter...which I've done with no difficulties with my own hand in a spacesuited glove inside a vacuum chamber."

Was it an A7L suit glove?

[wspaceport]

Jarrah asks: "Was it an A7L suit glove?"

No, it wasn't. Sorry.

It was an A7L-B -- along with a Shuttle EMU suit glove and arm assembly. They were set up side-by-side in a clear plexiglas vacuum pressure chamber at the Nat'l Science Teachers Association's annual conference in April of 1990.

You first put on white cotton gloves before inserting your whole hand and arms in to flex and move them around, as well as pick up and handle various objects that were inside the chamber.

[WhiteJarrah]

"No, it wasn't. Sorry.

It was an A7L-B -- along with a Shuttle EMU suit glove and arm assembly. They were set up side-by-side in a clear plexiglas vacuum pressure chamber at the Nat'l Science Teachers Association's annual conference in April of 1990."

Proof please. According to Jan Lundberg what you claim is impossible. Is he lying, or are you lying, or are you mistaken, or were they using a doctored pressure guage on that chamber you speak of?

[wspaceport]

Well, I'm sure if I bothered to look hard enough, I could dig up my airfare, motel and conference receipts, but I already know I was there and what I saw and did and felt and flexed and tried out in person, so that's proof enough for me.

You're certainly free to contact NASA PAO or Louis A. Parker with the JSC Exhibits program to verify the portable vacuum chamber (about 4x5 ft in size on rolling metal platform).

nasa. gov/ centers/ johnson/ events/ exhibits/ index. html

[WhiteJarrah]

"nasa. gov/ centers/ johnson/ events/ exhibits/ index. html"

This thing doesn't say anything about the A7L-B suit glove, only the shuttle EMU glove.

[wspaceport]

Jarrah complains:"This thing doesn't say anything about the A7L-B suit glove, only the shuttle EMU glove."

Just because it's not listed doesn't mean it doesn't exist -- and Jan Lundberg isn't a complete expert on it all.

I gave you the link so you can contact Louis Parker, since his contact info is there. You can query him on the existence of the portable vacuum chamber & suit gloves that were exhibited at the NSTA conference in the George Brown Convention Center in Houston, TX in 1990.

[WhiteJarrah]

"I gave you the link so you can contact Louis Parker, since his contact info is there."

Does he not have an email address?

I must have left a thousand messages on the answering machine trying to get in touch with one man from the Deep Space Network, my calls were never returned.

[wspaceport]

Jarrah again:"Does he not have an email address?"

--He sure does, plain as day, and right out in the open. Look it up for yourself on Google.

Jarrah:"I must have left a thousand messages on the answering machine trying to get in touch with one man from the Deep Space Network, my calls were never returned."

--Maybe it's no coincidence you might be over inflating your claims...or perhaps your (questionable) reputation has preceded itself across the Pacific Ocean from Down Under.

[EGMAG]

Hi Jarah--you r so cool--stay cool too--great videomaker JW--

The feather thing is the leastof the name callers problems. There are many ways to grip a hammer and feather. The relevant issues are useless spending when our country and the world is collapsing. There is not one; shred of culpable moonwalk proof, other than greed, false nationalism and bravado. The space race WASTE is so disgusting, I cannot see how the American people stay civilized and non anarchistic!

[wspaceport]

EGMAG rants:"The relevant issues are useless spending when our country and the world is collapsing...The space race WASTE is so disgusting, I cannot see how the American people stay civilized and non anarchistic!

Riiiiight. We spend over $600 billion EACH YEAR funding "Social Programs" -- a figure NASA has yet to reach after *50 years* of combined budgets.

Buy yourself a clue EGMAG and look at the real numbers from independently researched sources:

wallstats. com

federalbudget. com

[wspaceport]

EGMAG claims:"There is not one shred of culpable moonwalk proof, other than greed, false nationalism and bravado."

--Of course not; it's because you're a Solipsismist.

That's the philosophical belief that the only thing you know exists are your own thoughts. For all you know, everything you perceive in the outside world is a computer simulation a la "The Matrix".

No proof can possibly overcome your kind of belief -- although you can certainly be made to look pretty silly in a debate.

[EGMAG]

wspaceport pretty silly in a debate. <<

Thanks for your right to comment! I merely quote information from brilliant researchers! Solip? Whatever, labels, names sticks and stones, come and go, but the truth remains true!

[wspaceport]

EGMAG sez:"I merely quote information from brilliant researchers!"

I think it's time for you to start looking elsewhere if you consider the likes of Ralph Rene, Bart Sibrel, "WhiteJarrah", "Moonmovies", "Greenmagoos", "StrayDog02", "MichaelStMark" and others as "Brilliant Researchers."

EGMAG:"but the truth remains true!"

--Well, at least there's something we can agree on -- and the truth is, we landed men on the moon, not once, not twice, but six times and brought them back safely.

[imbok]

I'm waiting for them to debunk the dumbest myth of all - the 911 conspiracy theories.

[xgcwardog]

It'd be cool for them to do that, but there's far to many network restrictions on content.

Personally I'd really love to see how they break it down and do it, but, Discovery would want something far more dedicated to the project. Not to insult Mythbusters (love the show), they just wouldn't be able to carry it out.

[keflar5]

i agree, the very idea that terrorists living on CIA bases who were all on watch lists can get on planes without being on the flight manefest, simultaniously turn off all the transponders with no alert of any kind, crash them by site into 3 of four targets even though their flight instructors said they were terrible pilots, without alerting any military jets for over an hour and without leaving any wreckage at two sites and then turn up alive and well in Suidi arabia is quite rediculous i agree

[TheHampdenRaven]

@imbok actially that would hard to debunk because lots of it is actual fact thats why it has gotten so much attention, and as for trusting a government enough to think that its not possible that they would or could stage such a thing would be a idiotic move! Just ask Nazi Germany thats how Hitler came to power and launched war by using a terrorist attack that was used to gain support from the citizens of their country. So since it has happened before, its possible, considering we made al-Qaeda,

[loganxg]

its a lie

[nerdygerdy]

The cake is a lie...