LBJ was one of the worst Presidents of all time. Bobby Baker and Billy sol Estes, two close associates of LBJ were very corrupt and engulfed in scandal. LBJ was lucky he didn't have a hostile national media and Congress or he may have been impeached. And who can forget the Vietnam War debacle. Trillions of money wasted and thousands of America's best and brightest killed or maimed in a war LBJ didn't let us win because it made the military industrial complex richer and richer.
YEAH BARRY! I'm very proud that he was an Arizona native like me. His photography is actually pretty remarkable as well, I've got a book of his photos that was signed by him. Good ol Barry
Conservative chains like the Hearst and Scripps-Howard newspapers wouldn't back Barry Goldwater - They backed Johnson. He scared everyone save for the members of the John Birch Society.
If Barry Morris Goldwater had won in 64, he could've at least stemmed the extreme expansion of gov't for another 4 years. He'd be like a Republican Grover Cleveland, vetoing unconstitutional big spending bills left and right for the sake of this great land. Leave that crap up to the states and private sector. It's not the feds' job. Besides, most welfare programs are merely a handout. They don't encourage self-sufficiency. Rather, they encourage dependency.
poverty actually went down under LBJ, and up under Reagan, Bush and Clinton - all who pursued your free market model. I love it when numbnuts like you deride the work of one of the most intelligent men who ever lived - Mr Keynes. His models are used in every country in the world, even in the USA. Goldwater built his platform in 64 against Civil Rights and less welfare - its cruel, stupid people like you who got Bush elected - welfare improves the social fabric, reduces poverty and actually helps
First of all if you know anything about Keynes you will understand that Reganomics are very similar to Keynesian economics. Still plenty of government intervention. I believe that Hayek was a much more intelligent man who was like the "truth seeker" All liberal people have views based on a hidden agenda, hidden ideology, lack of understanding of government, and a lack of understanding of human actions. Read a little Austrian Economics so you actually can understand what you are talking about.
how does giving a family 300 dollars a month in stamps and throwing them into welfair government houseing .. help them? ...
look just because LBJ ran plumbing and built a few project buildings don't mean he helped anyone .. he just stacked them in certain areas a little more neater and gave them some toys to play with
No one's deriding Keynes. Even Friedman said he was probably the greatest economist who ever lived.
Funny how under Labour in the UK though, poverty has gone up and now the Keynesian style spending out of a recession has put the UK in risk of utter and complete financial meltdown.
Plus, if I remember correctly, didn't a great mind like Cato or one of the founding fathers say that exact quote "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" centuries ago?? But that man is not considered an extremist.
people - this is something that monetarism and Friedman's model has never done - you're living in a deluded world of movement conservatism were you justify your selfishness and idiocy behind some vague intellectual smokescreen - I won't post anymore - I made my point, and I know people like you are not in the least interested in rational debate
Adam Smith, von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, F.A Hayek, and Milton Friedman were right all along, and John Maynard Keynes was dead wrong. Is it any wonder? Keynes had NO evidence! He proposed his silly theories out of thin air. He just made up a bunch of equations and some "logical" propositions and claimed "If gov't spends enough, it can produce growth." Of course, he forgot that economic growth is not simply consumer spending but also production and investment. Besides, people save in bad times
I mean, if you just got laid off, and the prospect of getting a new job was slim, why in the hell would you immediately blow an extra $500 or $1,000? But tax cuts for business investment and production, those actually work.
And it would help if the Federal Reserve were abolished, so it couldn't keep manipulating interest rates willy-nilly. I mean, do BUREAUCRATS really know the best interest rate for the market? I don't think so!!
I'm a Democrat, but I would have voted Republican if they followed the ways of Barry Goldwater and not the ways of Christian "IN YOUR FACE" Fascism.
Barry Goldwater represented the best of American politics. While I may not have agreed with him 100% of the time, he knew the evils of religion and government mixing and the evils of a government that can determine your life for you.
Did you know that Goldwater was a Christian, and described himself as a "very religious man" though he didn't attend church regularly?
Do you consider Bush to be an actual Christian? Just curious. I know he tells voters he was "born again" but that phrase has multiple meanings, and just saying that you are something to the public eye, does not necessarily make you that thing.
I totally understand where you're coming from. I got nothing against Christians or Christianity. I acknowledge there are many great Christians out there who do wonderful things for the world and society. Barry Goldwater however understood that religion and politics mixed was a recipe for disaster. He stood up to banning gays in the military. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the most pro-gay rights leaders in America. He knew the government had no business regulating peoples love lives.
Fair enough. I would just add that Judeo-Christian principles are ingrained in our (Western) concept of justice. The founders, for example, believed that rights were inherent BECAUSE they were God given. That said, I definitely do not want theocracy in the sense of official state religion or the like.
Goldwater's 100th birthday was celebrated on New Year's day earlier this month. I had suggested that he is the most-talked about, most-analyzed loser of any Presidential campaign. The wisdom of his tenure and campaign will live for many generations and hopefully will be rediscovered by the Republican Party.
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LBJ would have been one of the greats if not for Vietnam. His war on poverty (Great Society) uplifted over 40% of Americans out of poverty, and would have given us higher standards of living like the Scandinavians now were it not for his millitary misadventures into vietnam now instead of a great society we have a broken society.
I have to disagree with that. His Great Society was also a disaster. It was intended to get rid of poverty in America. It didn't. Poverty was already going down before the Great Society, and while it went down faster in the mid 60s, it started going back up and ever since it has remained between 10-15%. Not to mention, those programs were very expensive and fiscally irresponsible. Also, Medicare ruined health care and its about to bankrupt our country. All of this from LBJ.
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growth and inequality both moved in the right direction under LBJ. Yes inequality was already coming down before the Great Society programmes, because of the New and Fair Deal of the 1930-40s and Eisenhower refused to interfere with those programmes even when he controlled all houses of government 1953-55. LBJ was a good President and it was good that he beat Goldwater who just was not a safe pair of hands at a time of great international unease. Extremism is no vice - remember that?
Lol. What are you, an idiot? The welfare state has FAILED! Sure, poverty went down a little bit during Johnson's administration, but it went back up. It's stagnated at an average of 12.7% since then. That's 37 million poor folks. We've lost the War on Poverty, and yet Democrats keep pretending like, if we spend "Just enough", we'll win. It didn't work during the Great Depression or 1990s japan, and it sure as hell won't work now. Keynesianism is bullshit. Give it up. It's disproven.
Besides, when Barry Goldwater said that famous quote, he was mocking the liberal media's silly depiction of him as an extremist. Of course, 16 years later, the country finally saw Goldwater's ideology as sensible and elected Reagan, although Ronnie didn't really live up to Goldwater's principles all that well, esp. on spending. He could've easily vetoed a Democratic budget with too much excess spending, but he compromised just for the sake of increased defense spending. :/
@Justgetout If Barry Goldwalter was elected the USA wouldn't have intervened in the Vietnam War and having an abolition of a vast quantity of centralized governmental policies which in turn generating a budget surplus.
What other assumptions from your empirical observations will help answer this question-if Goldwalter was elected?
Not to mention over a million murdered Vietnamese, thousands of Vietnamese babies born with horrific birth defects from our dropping chemicals polluting the water table and 58,000 dead Americans.
@Justgetout I'm a liberal and I do think LBJ sucked for the most part. The way he waged the Vietnam war was horrible. Firstly, I don't think we should've been involved in Vietnam in the first place, and secondly, if we did invade, then fight to win. His "limited" war policy was detrimental to the troops & generals trying to win.
That said, I'm not a fan of Barry Goldwater since he was against the Civil Rights Act, and that's why a lot of Southern Democrat Segregationists voted for him.
A cliche - He was right then, and he's right now. What good does that do us today? Those who are mesmerized by the marxist, socialism that predominates our culture, those that were put into a deep sleep via drugs, sex and rock & roll are still sleep walking today, yet they're doing it in our nation's capitol, as congressmen and women, as leaders and politicians.
because his anti communist agenda scared the left and because he felt that liberty was the most important thing for human rights the civil rights movement killed him.. it was one of the most vicious political lambasting a man has ever endured but better to be defeated with honor than to avoid the questions that matter like these two men running for Pres. right now..
Easy: Johnson was cresting on a wave fomented by Kennedy.
Then, in the one fell swoop of the great abomination (a.k.a, The Great Society), Johnson converted the maxim of Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" into "Ask what your country can do for you and the achievers shall provide".
44 years, 6 trillion dollars, a multitude of families on welfare, and soaring social decay later, Senator Goldwater is sadly vindicated!
Mr. Goldwater made two great points about his defeat. One was that LBJ was riding the grief of the nation over the assassination of JFK and the other that the US was not ready for its third POTUS in 18 months. I think those two things precluded a Goldwater presidency.
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WeThePeopleVStheNWO 3 weeks ago
LBJ was one of the worst Presidents of all time. Bobby Baker and Billy sol Estes, two close associates of LBJ were very corrupt and engulfed in scandal. LBJ was lucky he didn't have a hostile national media and Congress or he may have been impeached. And who can forget the Vietnam War debacle. Trillions of money wasted and thousands of America's best and brightest killed or maimed in a war LBJ didn't let us win because it made the military industrial complex richer and richer.
bigjohnmac 2 months ago 2
YEAH BARRY! I'm very proud that he was an Arizona native like me. His photography is actually pretty remarkable as well, I've got a book of his photos that was signed by him. Good ol Barry
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CheatersAdvocacy 11 months ago
Barry Goldwater would have shut down ACORN in two (2) seconds!
ACORNHOLEFANNYFISTER 2 years ago
Conservative chains like the Hearst and Scripps-Howard newspapers wouldn't back Barry Goldwater - They backed Johnson. He scared everyone save for the members of the John Birch Society.
lisnagavor 2 years ago
If Barry Morris Goldwater had won in 64, he could've at least stemmed the extreme expansion of gov't for another 4 years. He'd be like a Republican Grover Cleveland, vetoing unconstitutional big spending bills left and right for the sake of this great land. Leave that crap up to the states and private sector. It's not the feds' job. Besides, most welfare programs are merely a handout. They don't encourage self-sufficiency. Rather, they encourage dependency.
whoo689 2 years ago 5
poverty actually went down under LBJ, and up under Reagan, Bush and Clinton - all who pursued your free market model. I love it when numbnuts like you deride the work of one of the most intelligent men who ever lived - Mr Keynes. His models are used in every country in the world, even in the USA. Goldwater built his platform in 64 against Civil Rights and less welfare - its cruel, stupid people like you who got Bush elected - welfare improves the social fabric, reduces poverty and actually helps
haasxaar 2 years ago
First of all if you know anything about Keynes you will understand that Reganomics are very similar to Keynesian economics. Still plenty of government intervention. I believe that Hayek was a much more intelligent man who was like the "truth seeker" All liberal people have views based on a hidden agenda, hidden ideology, lack of understanding of government, and a lack of understanding of human actions. Read a little Austrian Economics so you actually can understand what you are talking about.
bolognamof 2 years ago
how does giving a family 300 dollars a month in stamps and throwing them into welfair government houseing .. help them? ...
look just because LBJ ran plumbing and built a few project buildings don't mean he helped anyone .. he just stacked them in certain areas a little more neater and gave them some toys to play with
joeytrimble 2 years ago
No one's deriding Keynes. Even Friedman said he was probably the greatest economist who ever lived.
Funny how under Labour in the UK though, poverty has gone up and now the Keynesian style spending out of a recession has put the UK in risk of utter and complete financial meltdown.
theredraven 2 years ago
amen
joeytrimble 2 years ago
Plus, if I remember correctly, didn't a great mind like Cato or one of the founding fathers say that exact quote "extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice" centuries ago?? But that man is not considered an extremist.
whoo689 2 years ago
people - this is something that monetarism and Friedman's model has never done - you're living in a deluded world of movement conservatism were you justify your selfishness and idiocy behind some vague intellectual smokescreen - I won't post anymore - I made my point, and I know people like you are not in the least interested in rational debate
haasxaar 2 years ago
Adam Smith, von Mises, Henry Hazlitt, F.A Hayek, and Milton Friedman were right all along, and John Maynard Keynes was dead wrong. Is it any wonder? Keynes had NO evidence! He proposed his silly theories out of thin air. He just made up a bunch of equations and some "logical" propositions and claimed "If gov't spends enough, it can produce growth." Of course, he forgot that economic growth is not simply consumer spending but also production and investment. Besides, people save in bad times
whoo689 2 years ago
I mean, if you just got laid off, and the prospect of getting a new job was slim, why in the hell would you immediately blow an extra $500 or $1,000? But tax cuts for business investment and production, those actually work.
And it would help if the Federal Reserve were abolished, so it couldn't keep manipulating interest rates willy-nilly. I mean, do BUREAUCRATS really know the best interest rate for the market? I don't think so!!
whoo689 2 years ago
Goldwater was before my time, but listening to some of his views i would have to say i like the guy a lot. Wish he was still around
Zoofeks 2 years ago 4
I'm a Democrat, but I would have voted Republican if they followed the ways of Barry Goldwater and not the ways of Christian "IN YOUR FACE" Fascism.
Barry Goldwater represented the best of American politics. While I may not have agreed with him 100% of the time, he knew the evils of religion and government mixing and the evils of a government that can determine your life for you.
Womanizer2985 3 years ago
Did you know that Goldwater was a Christian, and described himself as a "very religious man" though he didn't attend church regularly?
Do you consider Bush to be an actual Christian? Just curious. I know he tells voters he was "born again" but that phrase has multiple meanings, and just saying that you are something to the public eye, does not necessarily make you that thing.
theadmiralburns 2 years ago
I totally understand where you're coming from. I got nothing against Christians or Christianity. I acknowledge there are many great Christians out there who do wonderful things for the world and society. Barry Goldwater however understood that religion and politics mixed was a recipe for disaster. He stood up to banning gays in the military. If I'm not mistaken, he was one of the most pro-gay rights leaders in America. He knew the government had no business regulating peoples love lives.
Womanizer2985 2 years ago
Fair enough. I would just add that Judeo-Christian principles are ingrained in our (Western) concept of justice. The founders, for example, believed that rights were inherent BECAUSE they were God given. That said, I definitely do not want theocracy in the sense of official state religion or the like.
theadmiralburns 2 years ago
If anyone is the fascists, it's you liberals!
LouieKaboom 2 years ago
We need Barry now more than ever before.
TinaCL 3 years ago 5
Goldwater's 100th birthday was celebrated on New Year's day earlier this month. I had suggested that he is the most-talked about, most-analyzed loser of any Presidential campaign. The wisdom of his tenure and campaign will live for many generations and hopefully will be rediscovered by the Republican Party.
marcparella 3 years ago 6
Its a terrible shame how he lost. LBJ was one of the worst presidents of the 20th century.
Justgetout 3 years ago 34
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LBJ would have been one of the greats if not for Vietnam. His war on poverty (Great Society) uplifted over 40% of Americans out of poverty, and would have given us higher standards of living like the Scandinavians now were it not for his millitary misadventures into vietnam now instead of a great society we have a broken society.
daveibukun 3 years ago
I have to disagree with that. His Great Society was also a disaster. It was intended to get rid of poverty in America. It didn't. Poverty was already going down before the Great Society, and while it went down faster in the mid 60s, it started going back up and ever since it has remained between 10-15%. Not to mention, those programs were very expensive and fiscally irresponsible. Also, Medicare ruined health care and its about to bankrupt our country. All of this from LBJ.
Justgetout 3 years ago 12
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growth and inequality both moved in the right direction under LBJ. Yes inequality was already coming down before the Great Society programmes, because of the New and Fair Deal of the 1930-40s and Eisenhower refused to interfere with those programmes even when he controlled all houses of government 1953-55. LBJ was a good President and it was good that he beat Goldwater who just was not a safe pair of hands at a time of great international unease. Extremism is no vice - remember that?
haasxaar 3 years ago
No, poverty was going down because of economic growth, and the Great Society stopped that and created a class of self-entitled freeloaders.
Extremism is no vice IN THE DEFENSE OF LIBERTY!!!
LBJ certainly took away liberty, with health care, the military draft, and huge spending (it grows the government and thus takes away freedom)
Justgetout 3 years ago 5
Lol. What are you, an idiot? The welfare state has FAILED! Sure, poverty went down a little bit during Johnson's administration, but it went back up. It's stagnated at an average of 12.7% since then. That's 37 million poor folks. We've lost the War on Poverty, and yet Democrats keep pretending like, if we spend "Just enough", we'll win. It didn't work during the Great Depression or 1990s japan, and it sure as hell won't work now. Keynesianism is bullshit. Give it up. It's disproven.
whoo689 2 years ago 2
Besides, when Barry Goldwater said that famous quote, he was mocking the liberal media's silly depiction of him as an extremist. Of course, 16 years later, the country finally saw Goldwater's ideology as sensible and elected Reagan, although Ronnie didn't really live up to Goldwater's principles all that well, esp. on spending. He could've easily vetoed a Democratic budget with too much excess spending, but he compromised just for the sake of increased defense spending. :/
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n64wilbert 4 months ago
@Justgetout If Barry Goldwalter was elected the USA wouldn't have intervened in the Vietnam War and having an abolition of a vast quantity of centralized governmental policies which in turn generating a budget surplus.
What other assumptions from your empirical observations will help answer this question-if Goldwalter was elected?
n64wilbert 4 months ago
@Justgetout
Not to mention over a million murdered Vietnamese, thousands of Vietnamese babies born with horrific birth defects from our dropping chemicals polluting the water table and 58,000 dead Americans.
mrearlygold 2 months ago
Wow no such thing as poverty? Sounds like the dream of massive corporations.
You sir are a dumbshit and LBJ sucked and so did all presidents for the past like 100 years.
scientistwriter 3 years ago 3
@Justgetout I'm a liberal and I do think LBJ sucked for the most part. The way he waged the Vietnam war was horrible. Firstly, I don't think we should've been involved in Vietnam in the first place, and secondly, if we did invade, then fight to win. His "limited" war policy was detrimental to the troops & generals trying to win.
That said, I'm not a fan of Barry Goldwater since he was against the Civil Rights Act, and that's why a lot of Southern Democrat Segregationists voted for him.
DiverseLA 1 year ago
@Justgetout
if not the worst
unfad1ng 5 months ago
The heir of Leonidas!
pullybrit 3 years ago
As an Arizonian and a Republican, he is one of my heroes...
RIP Barry Goldwater
dadesertwarrior 3 years ago 8
A cliche - He was right then, and he's right now. What good does that do us today? Those who are mesmerized by the marxist, socialism that predominates our culture, those that were put into a deep sleep via drugs, sex and rock & roll are still sleep walking today, yet they're doing it in our nation's capitol, as congressmen and women, as leaders and politicians.
jayne56011 3 years ago 4
Why was he defeated?
bittergunowner12 3 years ago
because his anti communist agenda scared the left and because he felt that liberty was the most important thing for human rights the civil rights movement killed him.. it was one of the most vicious political lambasting a man has ever endured but better to be defeated with honor than to avoid the questions that matter like these two men running for Pres. right now..
crimthann86 3 years ago 4
Easy: Johnson was cresting on a wave fomented by Kennedy.
Then, in the one fell swoop of the great abomination (a.k.a, The Great Society), Johnson converted the maxim of Kennedy's "Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country" into "Ask what your country can do for you and the achievers shall provide".
44 years, 6 trillion dollars, a multitude of families on welfare, and soaring social decay later, Senator Goldwater is sadly vindicated!
pullybrit 3 years ago 7
Ya, but then again LBJ isn't ranked as one of our best Presidents.
bittergunowner12 3 years ago
Mr. Goldwater made two great points about his defeat. One was that LBJ was riding the grief of the nation over the assassination of JFK and the other that the US was not ready for its third POTUS in 18 months. I think those two things precluded a Goldwater presidency.
javery303 3 years ago 3
he is my hero
eemad20 3 years ago
Vote Goldwater Miller in November.. because in your heart you know he's right!
crimthann86 3 years ago 3
He was right about the government. The corruption! Ron Paul tells it best!
Tutoress 3 years ago 4
Nice job, 5*
Dentaholic 3 years ago 3
What's the deal with the opening fist fight? It looks like a small town production of West Side Story. So corny!
angelachotube 3 years ago
Haha "In your Heart, you know he's Right!" But Yes. I would vote for him without a doubt. If he was still around.
Gunnar125 3 years ago 6
5***** I liked Goldwater he may have been around before my time but he was the father of conservatism
PhillyEmeraldguard 3 years ago 3
At least Reagan continued it.
bittergunowner12 3 years ago 2