In NYC, cops can film and watch you through surveillence cameras (or "security" cameras) as they like to market it as. But when the common person does it, it's not allowed.
Those officers had no right to keep you from filming or make you leave. This is America, dammit. If I were you I would have made it VERY clear that I had every right to do that.
Having cops in housing or transit is not bad. I was able to do a ride a long with the NYPD for a school program I was with and I was able to write about ALL the main sections of the NYPD (Housing,Transit N Precincts). Precincts handles multiple calls with a bit more unique incidents, going from one call to another therefore, they don't have time to respond to a housing development. Housing specialized more on community relations and domestics disputes but also gangs in the development.
Therefore, Housing has their own problems to be concerned about and so do Precicnts. Transit crimes spiked with a lot of phone snatches, assaults, and pick pockets (not to forget a lot of perverts). By the time a precinct gets to a train, a person who just been robbed could have just say forget it, Im not reporting it. Basically everything has a purpose.
You think the kid getting arrested wants a video of him on youtube? Don't you think its humiliating enough that the passerbys see him. Now the whole world gets a view. Keep patting yourself on the back
It's a shame we waste police resources on this petty shit. These officers are a disgrace to real police officers who protect the public from criminals... violent criminals. Police officers are supposed to protect and serve the people, not protect and serve some company's profits by taking money from mostly poor people. That's is the exact opposite of what a good police officer should do. They deserve to be filmed wasting taxpayer dollars and police resources.
@freakylocz14, I understand your logic but your missing the big picture. How do you think Oklahoma bomber was caught, by a routine traffic stop for just a violation. When I was in College, I had to do a thesis in regards to different Police agencies, and it is statistically proven that even a cop catching someone jumping over a turnstile had a rap sheet who might have been wanted for a serious crime. if your mother was killed, and the killer hopped the train, how would you feel then?
@HardBodyNyC And the fact because they want power. If you look at it correctly, you can see the authoritys are exactly like criminals only the legal system is their get away. I dont respect a single one of them, even the "good" cops, because things are being placed on a double standard. The worst kind of enemy is the one who thinks their above the rest.
People are assholes...They are just doing their job...You have to secure the scene. Standing there with a cell phone means you are not making the situation better.
This guy in cuffs is not arrested for jumping over, he probably has an open warrant or something. If he did jump, all the cops would have done was give him a summons! I jumped before and got caught and I was handed a ticket for 100 dollars!
No, you don't say, "ok I will leave" you say, make me! That's what I said when the cops told me to leave. And I talked them down into their right place.
And that is one reason all these cop haters on YouTube can go fuck themselves. They have no idea the stress a police officer has to deal with day in and day out. That includes off duty. Sad but true.
if you don't want the stress, don't take the job. if you can't do the job properly and deal with the stress then there is always another way to make money.
@NYCman530 why dont u pay his fare nex t time, since ur so much of better person then he is???? become a cop. u sound like a dik, you'll be NYPD no problem.
You're right KMJ, I'm surprised the cops told him to leave! These officers should have known better. I would love to hear their reason for making him stop filming. Very basic right to video in public. And I'm pro law enforcement. Anyone out there that can tell me why they can't I love to hear a response.
Thats a thought, but I believe when in public your expectency of privacy is close to zero. Its embarassing to the subject, but I think that falls under the "to bad for you rule".
Being in public and having someone video an arrest is perfectly legal. Video evidence can protect the police against false accusations and also protect the defendant from any possible excessive force the police might use during the arrest.
There are lots of reasons cops may not want a video of themselves on youtube...first thought that comes to mind is SAFETY. There are plenty of cops who live in bad neighborhoods which can easily make them, or rather their families, target for violence if the local thugs knew they were cops. Someone might damage that cops car if he feels another cop treated him/her unfairly. So, yes you have a right to record anything you want, but you might be putting someone in danger.
Sorry, I disagree. Uniformed cops are the lone fish in the fish bowl. They wear uniforms for a reason, they want the public to KNOW they are the POLICE. All the reasons you stated they don't want to be filmed just comes with the territory of being a police officer. Remember danger is part of their job!
Wrong! Danger is part of the job WHILE you're doing the job. Why should a upstanding citizen with high moral character run the risk of confronting a disgruntled armed repeat felon while he's out having ice cream with his little girl or young son? Are you kidding me? Are you that short minded?
Ask any cop. He will tell you the same as I'm telling you. That is the nature of the job and accepted by all of law enforcment. Cops are armed 24/7 and must be ready at any time! That includes OFF-DUTY when they're with their family. Observe a cop off duty, and you'll see how more alert he is than most civilians. No, Im not kidding you and I'm not short minded and I don't live in a protective bubble. That is just part of the sad reality that Police Officers have to live with.
Obviously cops would rather relax while they're with their family as would any human being. So it would be wise to keep away from cameras which could endanger their family, especially when they're not around. Besides, not ALL police officers are armed 24/7. Believe me when I tell you, most depts are very critical of the actions of police officers off duty and sometimes acting in good faith can actually get you in "trouble" in the dept. So some cops choose to ignore the job while off-duty.
What does "being wise" have to do with taking a persons right away to video in public! Sure they would prefer not being video taped, although in most cases the video helps cops from bogus complaints. And I'm not talking about taking action when off duty, I'm talking about being alert against skells they may have arrested or just being cognitive of being a victim of crime. You are wrong when saying you can't video an arrest in a public place.
I never said I was taking away your right to record. I just pointed out the possible consequences your video might create. Cops are not with their families 24/7, so at points their family are vulnerable.
Thats true cops are not with their family 24/7 but I also have not heard of many cops families being victimized by some skell who a cop has arrested for one thing or another. Remember, a bad guy can hang out at any precinct and see what type of car a cop is driving to work. But that would takes things to another level and the residual effect wouldn't be good for the bad guy.
Bottom line is today, 2009, danger is part of the job, on and off duty. I don't know where your from (profile excluded) but where I'm from I KNOW cops carry 24/7 and are always on alert when off duty from potential problems. They're not working, looking for arrests, but always prepared to take action to at least protect themselves and their families. Thats just the way it is.
I'm from the Bronx, in NY. Once again I will reiterate my point. Fine, danger is part of the job, but as I said before it would be wise to minimize danger. A situation in which a cop has to take action off duty, even when he feels threatened, will end up with someone being hurt. So, if one is able to MINIMIZE the chances of ANYONE being hurt, why not practice common sense?
Stimuli2000, how do you minimize the danger of video taping a cop(for the cops protection?) and take away the peoples right to video in public. You can't have both! Its impossible without taking basic rights away from the citizen of this country. As far as off duty action, no cop WANTS to get involved, but sometimes it is unavoidable. Also if out armed, the cops involvement can be as simple as making basic observations of the suspect(s), type of vehicle used during the crime, etc, etc.
Ok, this video has no real substance and therefore no reason to be on youtube. Had these cops beat him while cuffed, kudos to you...you caught something worthwhile and the necessary evidence to get these "cops" off the job. Vice versa, had the kid claimed injuries he did not receive and the false acusation can be disproven, great! You just saved taxpayers the money this skell was going to receive in a settlement with the city. So, in refference to my other posts. why put someone at risk?
Ok, I think we agree. But in this video I questioned the cops authority to have the camera(man/woman) stop taking the video of the arrest. How is a uniformed cop being put at risk by doing their job in public, when part of their job is to show presence while in uniform! Its no secret these officers are NYPD! What I'm saying is these officers are no more at risk by posting this video than they were before!
I am pro law enforcement, but some elements of the job cannot be avoided. Like being seen.
Also I think this video(which I didn't take) has real substance. It shows NYPD doing their job, handling an arrested subject with out excessive force. Acting from what I can see professionaly. I believe they blew it when they confronted the camera person and forced them to stop taking the video of the arrest.
Stay safe Stimuli2000 in the Bronx and in your travels.
A large amount of money in taxes that New Yorkers pay actually go to social programs, like Project Housing and Section 8, and Blunts & Beer Cards (Benefit Cards) that are already abused by the very same people that jump the turnstile.
they had no right to tell him to leave they r public figures so they can be recorded he should have stayed
todo5000 7 months ago
Eww undercover cops.
realhiphop087 8 months ago
getting busted...loss of 10 cool points
ankokugaiBOSS 9 months ago
In NYC, cops can film and watch you through surveillence cameras (or "security" cameras) as they like to market it as. But when the common person does it, it's not allowed.
That sound like America to YOU?
1XMarksSpot 11 months ago
Excuse me but.. Is that weave police issued
losnyc10 1 year ago
The sad thing is I know both of them. They are not bad people.
MxTori 1 year ago
@MxTori i use to work w/ that young man w/ the cap & brown t-shirt in Long Island City. damn. he is a nice guy. what happened ? ****
d4seasons 9 months ago
you didnt have to leave pussy. that nigger cop couldnt do anything
piperboy350 1 year ago
im on da cops side but bro this is america theres no law wit filming u at a distance u could film u should of went to the precint n report them
TuYankeepimp90 1 year ago
Those officers had no right to keep you from filming or make you leave. This is America, dammit. If I were you I would have made it VERY clear that I had every right to do that.
JackInBlackDawg 1 year ago
@JackInBlackDawg can't photograph in the subways anymore since 9-11, I don't exactly know if it's considered public or private property underground.
HackHunters 11 months ago
u have every right to film
miked1997 1 year ago
Having cops in housing or transit is not bad. I was able to do a ride a long with the NYPD for a school program I was with and I was able to write about ALL the main sections of the NYPD (Housing,Transit N Precincts). Precincts handles multiple calls with a bit more unique incidents, going from one call to another therefore, they don't have time to respond to a housing development. Housing specialized more on community relations and domestics disputes but also gangs in the development.
A1exDaGreat 1 year ago
Therefore, Housing has their own problems to be concerned about and so do Precicnts. Transit crimes spiked with a lot of phone snatches, assaults, and pick pockets (not to forget a lot of perverts). By the time a precinct gets to a train, a person who just been robbed could have just say forget it, Im not reporting it. Basically everything has a purpose.
A1exDaGreat 1 year ago
I really hate when I pay my fare and I see others jump over in front of me. I don't mind cops enforcing that!
A1exDaGreat 1 year ago
I got arrested for this yesterday. It sucked but now I gotta pay a lot for being cheap.
maiser16xvi 1 year ago
You think the kid getting arrested wants a video of him on youtube? Don't you think its humiliating enough that the passerbys see him. Now the whole world gets a view. Keep patting yourself on the back
TheRealfkingDeal 1 year ago 3
It's a shame we waste police resources on this petty shit. These officers are a disgrace to real police officers who protect the public from criminals... violent criminals. Police officers are supposed to protect and serve the people, not protect and serve some company's profits by taking money from mostly poor people. That's is the exact opposite of what a good police officer should do. They deserve to be filmed wasting taxpayer dollars and police resources.
freakylocz14 1 year ago 4
@freakylocz14, I understand your logic but your missing the big picture. How do you think Oklahoma bomber was caught, by a routine traffic stop for just a violation. When I was in College, I had to do a thesis in regards to different Police agencies, and it is statistically proven that even a cop catching someone jumping over a turnstile had a rap sheet who might have been wanted for a serious crime. if your mother was killed, and the killer hopped the train, how would you feel then?
A1exDaGreat 1 year ago
I wuld of been like "ok I'll leev" and take 10 steps back and kept on filming xD
theG0odBad 1 year ago
FUCK THE POPO
BkDre94 1 year ago
A man was filming on a subway platform and the police told him he could not film.
In actuality he was ALLOWED to film and he ended up suing the city for 30,000$ and WON.
The NYPD are some of the most stupid people on earth. They don't become cops because they are astrophysicists.
They join because they're INCOMPETENT douchebags.
HardBodyNyC 1 year ago
@HardBodyNyC And the fact because they want power. If you look at it correctly, you can see the authoritys are exactly like criminals only the legal system is their get away. I dont respect a single one of them, even the "good" cops, because things are being placed on a double standard. The worst kind of enemy is the one who thinks their above the rest.
realhiphop087 8 months ago
People are assholes...They are just doing their job...You have to secure the scene. Standing there with a cell phone means you are not making the situation better.
HollywoodKendrick 2 years ago
@HollywoodKendrick
Agreed. The people saying "F the police" and stuff like that need to go live in a world without police and see how long they would live.
Halox3xdude 1 year ago
cops dont like to be filmed due to their safety
andrewmackenzie123 2 years ago
@andrewmackenzie123 well i dont like to get my balls broken and put in cuffs, DUE TO MY SAFETY
AnObsoleteMan 1 year ago
Ok Mr Vanderbilt
yingdiskette 2 years ago
Typical welfare scum
NYCman530 2 years ago
they went hard got ya boy lukn like a criminal in the train station in front of evry1, and son wit the video camera aint hav eto go nowere
LetzGetIt11369 2 years ago
The one searching the guy is my cousin :D
Kisathekitty 2 years ago
lmaooo
LetzGetIt11369 2 years ago
You could video tape all you want, as long as you do not interfere with the arrest.
A1exDaGreat 2 years ago
This guy in cuffs is not arrested for jumping over, he probably has an open warrant or something. If he did jump, all the cops would have done was give him a summons! I jumped before and got caught and I was handed a ticket for 100 dollars!
A1exDaGreat 2 years ago
I've done it, but you can't do it in the big subway centers, only stinky little train stops people don't know about.
paolosilv 2 years ago
No, you don't say, "ok I will leave" you say, make me! That's what I said when the cops told me to leave. And I talked them down into their right place.
mostliberal 2 years ago
I feel so bad for that kid.. im sure he spent a night in central bookiings..
SRHawk24 2 years ago
what a pussy!!!! he can videotape anything he wants but he let them punk him!!!1
lexhotone718 3 years ago
def man - you always have to know your rights.. Theyll fuck with you until you let em kno..
SRHawk24 2 years ago
And that is one reason all these cop haters on YouTube can go fuck themselves. They have no idea the stress a police officer has to deal with day in and day out. That includes off duty. Sad but true.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
if you don't want the stress, don't take the job. if you can't do the job properly and deal with the stress then there is always another way to make money.
mrnacj 2 years ago
Get a job and stop acting like a savage jumping turnstiles. Then maybe the transit authority wouldn't be in the red.
NYCman530 3 years ago
I am afraid you got it wrong. I was the one photographing the event, not jumping the turnstiles. Happy New Year!
nikolakrastev 3 years ago 2
@NYCman530 why dont u pay his fare nex t time, since ur so much of better person then he is???? become a cop. u sound like a dik, you'll be NYPD no problem.
AnObsoleteMan 1 year ago
Although I'm not sure why he/she chose to film this but you actually have the legal right to film police arrests.
kmj2000 3 years ago
You're right KMJ, I'm surprised the cops told him to leave! These officers should have known better. I would love to hear their reason for making him stop filming. Very basic right to video in public. And I'm pro law enforcement. Anyone out there that can tell me why they can't I love to hear a response.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
By filming an arrest, I think you're actually infringing the rights of the person being arrested.
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Thats a thought, but I believe when in public your expectency of privacy is close to zero. Its embarassing to the subject, but I think that falls under the "to bad for you rule".
gottobesure 3 years ago
Being in public and having someone video an arrest is perfectly legal. Video evidence can protect the police against false accusations and also protect the defendant from any possible excessive force the police might use during the arrest.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
There are lots of reasons cops may not want a video of themselves on youtube...first thought that comes to mind is SAFETY. There are plenty of cops who live in bad neighborhoods which can easily make them, or rather their families, target for violence if the local thugs knew they were cops. Someone might damage that cops car if he feels another cop treated him/her unfairly. So, yes you have a right to record anything you want, but you might be putting someone in danger.
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Sorry, I disagree. Uniformed cops are the lone fish in the fish bowl. They wear uniforms for a reason, they want the public to KNOW they are the POLICE. All the reasons you stated they don't want to be filmed just comes with the territory of being a police officer. Remember danger is part of their job!
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
Wrong! Danger is part of the job WHILE you're doing the job. Why should a upstanding citizen with high moral character run the risk of confronting a disgruntled armed repeat felon while he's out having ice cream with his little girl or young son? Are you kidding me? Are you that short minded?
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Ask any cop. He will tell you the same as I'm telling you. That is the nature of the job and accepted by all of law enforcment. Cops are armed 24/7 and must be ready at any time! That includes OFF-DUTY when they're with their family. Observe a cop off duty, and you'll see how more alert he is than most civilians. No, Im not kidding you and I'm not short minded and I don't live in a protective bubble. That is just part of the sad reality that Police Officers have to live with.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
Obviously cops would rather relax while they're with their family as would any human being. So it would be wise to keep away from cameras which could endanger their family, especially when they're not around. Besides, not ALL police officers are armed 24/7. Believe me when I tell you, most depts are very critical of the actions of police officers off duty and sometimes acting in good faith can actually get you in "trouble" in the dept. So some cops choose to ignore the job while off-duty.
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
What does "being wise" have to do with taking a persons right away to video in public! Sure they would prefer not being video taped, although in most cases the video helps cops from bogus complaints. And I'm not talking about taking action when off duty, I'm talking about being alert against skells they may have arrested or just being cognitive of being a victim of crime. You are wrong when saying you can't video an arrest in a public place.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
I never said I was taking away your right to record. I just pointed out the possible consequences your video might create. Cops are not with their families 24/7, so at points their family are vulnerable.
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Thats true cops are not with their family 24/7 but I also have not heard of many cops families being victimized by some skell who a cop has arrested for one thing or another. Remember, a bad guy can hang out at any precinct and see what type of car a cop is driving to work. But that would takes things to another level and the residual effect wouldn't be good for the bad guy.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
Bottom line is today, 2009, danger is part of the job, on and off duty. I don't know where your from (profile excluded) but where I'm from I KNOW cops carry 24/7 and are always on alert when off duty from potential problems. They're not working, looking for arrests, but always prepared to take action to at least protect themselves and their families. Thats just the way it is.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
I'm from the Bronx, in NY. Once again I will reiterate my point. Fine, danger is part of the job, but as I said before it would be wise to minimize danger. A situation in which a cop has to take action off duty, even when he feels threatened, will end up with someone being hurt. So, if one is able to MINIMIZE the chances of ANYONE being hurt, why not practice common sense?
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Stimuli2000, how do you minimize the danger of video taping a cop(for the cops protection?) and take away the peoples right to video in public. You can't have both! Its impossible without taking basic rights away from the citizen of this country. As far as off duty action, no cop WANTS to get involved, but sometimes it is unavoidable. Also if out armed, the cops involvement can be as simple as making basic observations of the suspect(s), type of vehicle used during the crime, etc, etc.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
Ok, this video has no real substance and therefore no reason to be on youtube. Had these cops beat him while cuffed, kudos to you...you caught something worthwhile and the necessary evidence to get these "cops" off the job. Vice versa, had the kid claimed injuries he did not receive and the false acusation can be disproven, great! You just saved taxpayers the money this skell was going to receive in a settlement with the city. So, in refference to my other posts. why put someone at risk?
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Ok, I think we agree. But in this video I questioned the cops authority to have the camera(man/woman) stop taking the video of the arrest. How is a uniformed cop being put at risk by doing their job in public, when part of their job is to show presence while in uniform! Its no secret these officers are NYPD! What I'm saying is these officers are no more at risk by posting this video than they were before!
I am pro law enforcement, but some elements of the job cannot be avoided. Like being seen.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
Also I think this video(which I didn't take) has real substance. It shows NYPD doing their job, handling an arrested subject with out excessive force. Acting from what I can see professionaly. I believe they blew it when they confronted the camera person and forced them to stop taking the video of the arrest.
Stay safe Stimuli2000 in the Bronx and in your travels.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
I'm sure you must know some officers, ask them.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago
the amount of money in taxes the newyorkers pay the subway system should be free, fuck you cocks.
Y2KHorny 3 years ago
A large amount of money in taxes that New Yorkers pay actually go to social programs, like Project Housing and Section 8, and Blunts & Beer Cards (Benefit Cards) that are already abused by the very same people that jump the turnstile.
Stimuli2000 3 years ago
Yeah that makes sense.
tonypadrone1 3 years ago