you see why i love dsm... check this out that srt4 is around 10-14gs that tsi is around 3gs and it takes it out. and that tsi works way better in the snow than the srt. i mean dont get me wrong srts are alright... but shit if i had the choice of a tsi and srt4 i would take the srt and sell it get myself $8000 in mods for my tsi hahaha..... no offense mopar fans
Hahah I got a 91 tsi wit a 60-1 bullseye turbo 550 injectors aluminum head and more I fucking love dsms mine runs 11.90 and my friend thinks his srt4 can beat it lamo. Throw a turbo on a pos neon and its still a pos lol.
Hahah I got a 91 tsi wit a 60-1 bullseye turbo 550 injectors aluminum heads and more I fucking love dsms mine runs 11.90 and my friend thinks his srt4 can beat it lamo. Throw a turbo on a pos neon and its still a pos lol.
i drove a stage 1 srt4 and it was slower then then my stock 92 laser awd with just a real evo 16g at stock boost. the srt just felt cheesy and poorly made. they have more wiring problems then a cadillac :(. but thats just my opinion and experiance.
you guys are funny, and yes the 6g72 is a very capable engine and the do have data loggers, is the mmcd softwear with a palm. sorry guys but the srt4's suck ass, they dont last for shit, just a useless as the dodge pick ups lol they fall aparts, i work on both alot, at my shop.
what do you think D.S.M stands for dip shit! Talon, Laser, Eclipse tested in Normal ILL. on crysler Grounds. learn some Mopar history before you start bashin!!!!
haha i wish i still had this car...I think this was with a 390cc injector in my cylinder 1...and very stock...a k/n filter is all lol...and mbc at 14psi...but really...i had him by 2 cars, and maybe if we raced for another 1/4 mile he would have caught me...but that doesn't matter lol.
hey guys hold my car back cause i dont know how to warm my own tires up.
would you by a fwd neon four door if it didnt have a turbo in it, i laugh at these fools with their 4 door fwd neons, i not only own a 2g awd dsm because they look spectacular, but also the looks your girlfriends gives me when im flippin my tounge
ok soshitinslosteve360say your 4 door fwd was to roll with my awd your saying i would loose because of drivetrain loss, what if i had twice as much power as you? correct no 1.
he didnt know how to properly warm em up but dont bash on all srt drivers i own one i garontee if i had a stage 3 setup id murder that car plus any other bitch talkiin guy who wanted some im not saying i would win against a 500 hp car just saying if i won id put him in his place
before you go popin off like you know something lick my balls first. ok first off you cannot compare modified cars, two dont ever correct me because your a four door fwd neon bucket lovin bitch basket.
Arguing on the internet is pointless. Who cares about whose car is heavier.. the dsm clearly walked the srt. and who brought up the 3k? Kinda irrelevant if you ask me.
Your cavi is very cool. But that DSM is AWD. With bpu and a studderbox he could se high 4 second 0-60 times. You will have major traction issues with the torque your putting out. But it is a beast no doubt :)
You must be a genious DatCanuk. A 3000GT has a much bigger engine, and alot more things to carry around. No shit a 3000GT will weigh more. And you people that say DSM weigh under 3000lbs, your PROBABLY looking at the GST which is FRONT WHEEL DRIVE and weighs ALOT less. A TSI which is the same thing as a GSX weighs much more then a GST. Learn your facts bad kids.
Thats worng man, i've been into dsm's my entire life so I know a little about them lol. The lightest dsm ever made was a base model 1g Laser, and it weighed around 2600.
then argue with them cause I don't really give a shit. I have a 2nd gen and it weighs 3100. I got my info from a credible website so take it up with them, I only relay the info. Have you ever physically weighed one, no , ok, then who cares.
Uhhh, yeah I have weighed on, it's called a scal moron lol. What website was his? Got to Vfaq it gives all the weight specs for all the dsm's. My fwd Laser RS-T that is completely gutted still weighs 2700 without me in it
Interesting... due to the fact that my 1G AWD Talon with a full tank of gas, couple textbooks, and me (weighing 175 pounds) totaled 3220 on a scale. So, subtract the weight of the gas and me and that would make "us people" correct.
Totally disagree. The 6G72 is not a "racing engine". Was not designed for that purpose. MAy put out some good numbers, but its had to tune, thats why you 3000gt guys dont even have a logger avil. The 4G63 is race bred, mitsu used the motor in the evo for nearly 20 years. They can see over 1000hp, and do it reliably. Well...sort of.. ;)
How can you say SRT are heavy? I own a 2005 Srt-4, and a 1991 Eclipse GSX. The SRT weighs around 2700, while the DSM weighs near 3800. AWD makes the car VERY heavy. Learn your cars before you make hellen keller comments.
GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) means the maximum allowable weight of the fully loaded vehicle, including liquids, passengers, cargo and the tongue weight of any towed vehicle. Note: The tow vehicle and RV each have a GVWR.
GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) is the maximum allowable weight each axle assembly is designed to carry, as measured at the tires, including the weight of the axle assembly itself. The GAWR is specified by the vehicle manufacturer. It is established by considering the rating of each of its components (tires, wheels, springs, axle), and rating the axle on its weakest link.
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) is the weight of the unit as built at the factory. with full fuel tanks, engine oil and coolants. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh water, LP gas, occupants or dealer-installed accessories.
Just to add my 2 Sense. Get Two step on that AWD DSM and its gone. i got a 93 Tsi FWD and ill tell u what all u need is motor mounts, tires, and LSD and u can launch like an AWD.
Another thing to consider is how fresh and new the srts motor is. Thats either a 90 or 91 talon. SO that means its at least 17 years old. Thats 17 years of punishment. And it still has enough to beat a srt4. And even if the srt was AWD. It wouldn't win. Those things are so god damn heavy its retarded.
DSM's even own cop cars > .< i bet you guys seen that video too > .< when the cop decides to cheat him and ram that dude off the road HAHAHAHA well i suppose he did steal another dudes DSM well shiet id still be damn proud knowing they couldnt keep up with the car that was stolen from me > .<LMAO
u guys should cover your liscen plats, i got busted for street racing cuz some one got it on video and posted it on you tube and I got a ticket in the mail
Really an AWD car beat a FWD? Holy shit. Come on guys. This one is a no-brainer. The traction in a DSM in incredible. Just because a car doesnt win a drag race doesnt mean its crap. This makes me wonder how much you haters know about cars. What if, and just what if the SRT was AWD. Who would win then?
Dont race a TSI if you are gonna complain about AWD later. I get it all the time from vipers, vettes, you name it. And no, the srt-4 shouldn't win stock for stock, when the TSI first came out it was running 13.9 the srt-4 is just an overpowered fwd piece of shit. Tomcoolp- dont let these haters talk you down like you won cuz the other driver sucked, your car is faster, stronger, better. Period.
maybe it looked like it because the car was "stock" with a "stock" clutch, I dont know if you know how an awd car looks like when it launches, but if it launched at 3k the car would bug, and in this video there was no bug. It was at 4800 too. I just slept at the take off.
mopars suck dick
derekaldridge71 7 months ago
you see why i love dsm... check this out that srt4 is around 10-14gs that tsi is around 3gs and it takes it out. and that tsi works way better in the snow than the srt. i mean dont get me wrong srts are alright... but shit if i had the choice of a tsi and srt4 i would take the srt and sell it get myself $8000 in mods for my tsi hahaha..... no offense mopar fans
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Hahah I got a 91 tsi wit a 60-1 bullseye turbo 550 injectors aluminum head and more I fucking love dsms mine runs 11.90 and my friend thinks his srt4 can beat it lamo. Throw a turbo on a pos neon and its still a pos lol.
IoBeoBundy 1 year ago
Hahah I got a 91 tsi wit a 60-1 bullseye turbo 550 injectors aluminum heads and more I fucking love dsms mine runs 11.90 and my friend thinks his srt4 can beat it lamo. Throw a turbo on a pos neon and its still a pos lol.
IoBeoBundy 1 year ago
and yes the fwd laser is the lightest at 2600 curb weight so 2400lb is very possible, my awd laser weight around 2900lb with out me.
J0ANNAx3 1 year ago
i drove a stage 1 srt4 and it was slower then then my stock 92 laser awd with just a real evo 16g at stock boost. the srt just felt cheesy and poorly made. they have more wiring problems then a cadillac :(. but thats just my opinion and experiance.
J0ANNAx3 1 year ago
you guys are funny, and yes the 6g72 is a very capable engine and the do have data loggers, is the mmcd softwear with a palm. sorry guys but the srt4's suck ass, they dont last for shit, just a useless as the dodge pick ups lol they fall aparts, i work on both alot, at my shop.
J0ANNAx3 1 year ago
@Ludwigdrummer616 are you trying to be a mopar fan???
what do you think D.S.M stands for dip shit! Talon, Laser, Eclipse tested in Normal ILL. on crysler Grounds. learn some Mopar history before you start bashin!!!!
shockracer 1 year ago
the srt4 driver likes to ride the fuck out of his clutch hahahaha
sk8rj514 1 year ago
the 14b is such a under rated turbo
DSMDriver69 1 year ago
lol nice job man, way to put a SRT-4 in its place
deathkricket123 1 year ago
never seen a awd eclipse
gavenxtremes26 2 years ago
you never saw a GSX? well type it in google images and look at it lol.
Tomcoolp 2 years ago 5
oh yea im having a stupid moment sorry!didnt think the old gen was awd i had a friend who had one it was fwd though
gavenxtremes26 2 years ago
@gavenxtremes26 those are talon tsi I have one the awd is the same package stock except awd.
IoBeoBundy 1 year ago
haha i wish i still had this car...I think this was with a 390cc injector in my cylinder 1...and very stock...a k/n filter is all lol...and mbc at 14psi...but really...i had him by 2 cars, and maybe if we raced for another 1/4 mile he would have caught me...but that doesn't matter lol.
Tomcoolp 2 years ago
@Tomcoolp So... why did you have a NT injector on cylinder 1? Was that the handicap that made the SRT-4 think it had a chance? :D
ReYnd 1 year ago
hey guys hold my car back cause i dont know how to warm my own tires up.
would you by a fwd neon four door if it didnt have a turbo in it, i laugh at these fools with their 4 door fwd neons, i not only own a 2g awd dsm because they look spectacular, but also the looks your girlfriends gives me when im flippin my tounge
ok soshitinslosteve360say your 4 door fwd was to roll with my awd your saying i would loose because of drivetrain loss, what if i had twice as much power as you? correct no 1.
impleasen 2 years ago
I say fuck you and check out the look on your girlfriends face as her panties drop when I start up my big block mopar...
ps. those cars look pretty gay by the way =)
Ludwigdrummer616 2 years ago
he didnt know how to properly warm em up but dont bash on all srt drivers i own one i garontee if i had a stage 3 setup id murder that car plus any other bitch talkiin guy who wanted some im not saying i would win against a 500 hp car just saying if i won id put him in his place
gavenxtremes26 2 years ago
dont tell me you baby youtube internet noob
before you go popin off like you know something lick my balls first. ok first off you cannot compare modified cars, two dont ever correct me because your a four door fwd neon bucket lovin bitch basket.
impleasen 2 years ago
fwd vs awd=fail
maybe the 4 door neon had him up top though?
impleasen 2 years ago
no actually a fwd can beat an awd from a pull due to its drivetrain loss
ssssteve360 2 years ago
Arguing on the internet is pointless. Who cares about whose car is heavier.. the dsm clearly walked the srt. and who brought up the 3k? Kinda irrelevant if you ask me.
cvcjocal 2 years ago
i would clean house lmao, you would not see it coming
kala135 2 years ago
Your cavi is very cool. But that DSM is AWD. With bpu and a studderbox he could se high 4 second 0-60 times. You will have major traction issues with the torque your putting out. But it is a beast no doubt :)
infectrus 2 years ago
You must be a genious DatCanuk. A 3000GT has a much bigger engine, and alot more things to carry around. No shit a 3000GT will weigh more. And you people that say DSM weigh under 3000lbs, your PROBABLY looking at the GST which is FRONT WHEEL DRIVE and weighs ALOT less. A TSI which is the same thing as a GSX weighs much more then a GST. Learn your facts bad kids.
silverneko8552 3 years ago
Wrong, TSI is equal to a GST. Same weight. The TSI AWD/GSX is only 200lbs heavier. not too much when you have a car that weights roughly 3k lbs.
racah15 3 years ago
1st gen weighs about 2400, dudes. AWD a little heavier. 2nd gen weighs about 3100.
JTmagicman24 3 years ago
There isnt a stock dsm on the planet that weighs 2400lbs.
vintageracer89 2 years ago 10
for real it does, watch the old overview videos. car and driver or some crap like that.
JTmagicman24 2 years ago
Thats worng man, i've been into dsm's my entire life so I know a little about them lol. The lightest dsm ever made was a base model 1g Laser, and it weighed around 2600.
vintageracer89 2 years ago
then argue with them cause I don't really give a shit. I have a 2nd gen and it weighs 3100. I got my info from a credible website so take it up with them, I only relay the info. Have you ever physically weighed one, no , ok, then who cares.
JTmagicman24 2 years ago
Uhhh, yeah I have weighed on, it's called a scal moron lol. What website was his? Got to Vfaq it gives all the weight specs for all the dsm's. My fwd Laser RS-T that is completely gutted still weighs 2700 without me in it
vintageracer89 2 years ago 3
Interesting... due to the fact that my 1G AWD Talon with a full tank of gas, couple textbooks, and me (weighing 175 pounds) totaled 3220 on a scale. So, subtract the weight of the gas and me and that would make "us people" correct.
fcheaven 2 years ago
Totally disagree. The 6G72 is not a "racing engine". Was not designed for that purpose. MAy put out some good numbers, but its had to tune, thats why you 3000gt guys dont even have a logger avil. The 4G63 is race bred, mitsu used the motor in the evo for nearly 20 years. They can see over 1000hp, and do it reliably. Well...sort of.. ;)
infectrus 2 years ago
How can you say SRT are heavy? I own a 2005 Srt-4, and a 1991 Eclipse GSX. The SRT weighs around 2700, while the DSM weighs near 3800. AWD makes the car VERY heavy. Learn your cars before you make hellen keller comments.
silverneko8552 3 years ago
You are retarded my car with me weighs 3200lbs.
1gs weight around 3000lbs with everything in it(spare, seats etc.).
Tomcoolp 3 years ago
My 1gb weighs 3310 with me and 1/2 tank of fuel.
preludedriver226 3 years ago
Lmao wow. ANY AWD dsm weighs WAY over 3000lbs. I've never seen a SRT weigh over 3000 lbs. Learn yours cars buddy!
silverneko8552 3 years ago
DUDE
Look at the sticker on the side of your door.
Come back and prove me wrong.
GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) means the maximum allowable weight of the fully loaded vehicle, including liquids, passengers, cargo and the tongue weight of any towed vehicle. Note: The tow vehicle and RV each have a GVWR.
Tomcoolp 3 years ago
GAWR (Gross Axle Weight Rating) is the maximum allowable weight each axle assembly is designed to carry, as measured at the tires, including the weight of the axle assembly itself. The GAWR is specified by the vehicle manufacturer. It is established by considering the rating of each of its components (tires, wheels, springs, axle), and rating the axle on its weakest link.
Tomcoolp 3 years ago
UVW (Unloaded Vehicle Weight) is the weight of the unit as built at the factory. with full fuel tanks, engine oil and coolants. The UVW does not include cargo, fresh water, LP gas, occupants or dealer-installed accessories.
Tomcoolp 3 years ago
@Tomcoolp
hahahaha dam man your post is fuken hilarous!!! Knowledge is so fun to use haha!! nice post!
7NaYRu7 5 months ago
1G DSM curb weight = 2,550lbs from the factory.
SRT-4 curb weight = 2,900lbs from the factory.
check your facts before commenting next time.
Jankenster 3 years ago
dsm does not weight that.... a 3000gt is 3840lbs curbw eight fool no way a dsm can be that they curb at 3200.
DatCanuk 3 years ago
no fucking way your dsm is 3800 pds. your smoking crack you dumb fuck
derekaldridge71 7 months ago
Damn you tube comments are fucken stupid.
MidShipCivic 3 years ago 2
Lol hell yea.
Tomcoolp 3 years ago
Just to add my 2 Sense. Get Two step on that AWD DSM and its gone. i got a 93 Tsi FWD and ill tell u what all u need is motor mounts, tires, and LSD and u can launch like an AWD.
93TSIDSM 3 years ago
Stutterbox, Axles, LSD, Motor mounts and good tires make a amazing difference in a fwd DSM
turbodsm7 3 years ago
4g63t dsms even if there are not awd there still killers
Turbo3Dsm 3 years ago 2
Not all DSM's are AWD, some are front....actually I would say most all are front, but there are the few AWD's
donkeydong75402 3 years ago
4g63t dsms even if there are not awd there are still killers.
Turbo3Dsm 3 years ago
Another thing to consider is how fresh and new the srts motor is. Thats either a 90 or 91 talon. SO that means its at least 17 years old. Thats 17 years of punishment. And it still has enough to beat a srt4. And even if the srt was AWD. It wouldn't win. Those things are so god damn heavy its retarded.
turbodsm7 4 years ago
dsm's areawd it would take alot for a srt-4 to own a awd talon
lamermayerdad 4 years ago 3
DSM's even own cop cars > .< i bet you guys seen that video too > .< when the cop decides to cheat him and ram that dude off the road HAHAHAHA well i suppose he did steal another dudes DSM well shiet id still be damn proud knowing they couldnt keep up with the car that was stolen from me > .<LMAO
syncro615 4 years ago
Lol! i saw that vid, if dude wasn't being a jackass he woulda got away like the previous times, I think it was like 3 states
Ttop50ryda 4 years ago
ahahaha nice one man but is that vid with the blue or purlpe talon
neti03 4 years ago
the thing about the srt4 is no tractions on first gear and the dsm is all wheel drive... if the srt4 have tractions it be a good run...
whatbringsyouhere 4 years ago
u guys should cover your liscen plats, i got busted for street racing cuz some one got it on video and posted it on you tube and I got a ticket in the mail
myhi420 4 years ago
Really an AWD car beat a FWD? Holy shit. Come on guys. This one is a no-brainer. The traction in a DSM in incredible. Just because a car doesnt win a drag race doesnt mean its crap. This makes me wonder how much you haters know about cars. What if, and just what if the SRT was AWD. Who would win then?
MudPeople85 4 years ago
amen...jesus christ i hate ricers so god damn much, they know jack shit about cars
blubblub61162 4 years ago
Dont race a TSI if you are gonna complain about AWD later. I get it all the time from vipers, vettes, you name it. And no, the srt-4 shouldn't win stock for stock, when the TSI first came out it was running 13.9 the srt-4 is just an overpowered fwd piece of shit. Tomcoolp- dont let these haters talk you down like you won cuz the other driver sucked, your car is faster, stronger, better. Period.
osoqiktsi 4 years ago 2
why didnt the DSM launch it? looked like he took off at 3 grand at the most.
jwuonog 4 years ago
maybe it looked like it because the car was "stock" with a "stock" clutch, I dont know if you know how an awd car looks like when it launches, but if it launched at 3k the car would bug, and in this video there was no bug. It was at 4800 too. I just slept at the take off.
Tomcoolp 4 years ago
SRT4's are nice cars and kickass, but they can't hang out with old dogs such as DSMs. 4G63T Powahhh :)
djsonicc 4 years ago 2
bone stock the tsi does 210hp either way the dsm would have raped. Mopar is crap anyway. I suggest the srt4 kid gets his dad to buy him a real car.
Mathiusslays 5 years ago 2
AWD - All Will Die!
MegaTronn 5 years ago
meaning your car, I own a AWD and it stomps ever thing that lines up with me
myhi420 4 years ago
stock for stock, srt-4 should win.
snoopyloopy 5 years ago
srt-4 will not win stock for stock cuz it front drive
myhi420 4 years ago
they may be stock hp, but how about weight? of course dsmn will take
64018 5 years ago
what about weight?
Tomcoolp 5 years ago
SRT4 is much more heavier than a Tsi. Also, Tsi is AWD. NVM...
64018 5 years ago
220 hp @ 5100 rpm
245 ft-lbs @ 2400 rpm
and the car weighs 2900lbs
this is stock for stock
my car weighs 3100lbs
has 190hp
and like 205ft-lbs
and is how old? So those numbers are probably down.
2.0 liter vs. 2.4 liter
you get it now? so saying my AWD is an advantage, well i guess it is but the numbers still favor the srt-4 to win so this was a drivers race.
Tomcoolp 5 years ago
DSMs Never Loose :)
djsonicc 4 years ago
1g eclipse it is not 190hp is 195hp thats the real hp.
Turbo3Dsm 3 years ago