Microchemical evaluation has indicated no evidence of any spices, oils, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a direct contact of the Shroud with a body, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood.
Damn, I don't believe you read any of the report. You know there is a newer one right? First of all McCrone did reproduce the shroud and clearly identified these chemicals you are talking about. You know it's important to read books by people who disagree with the people you agree with. In the official report they said the "blood" couldn't have been blood because when magnified it shows up as black. Seriously, go back to school and learn something useful.
And I really find it funny that in defeat all atheists resort to, also extremely childish, name calling. Rather humourous, and calling me that makes virtually no sense, seeing as you used the wrong tense of there their and they're in much of your video. I'm just stating my beliefs. Don't call me an idiot for that, and don't act like a child. You are most likely a grown man, and honestly, can't you find a better word in your apparently limited vocabulary than idiot?
He is an idiot. Using pseudo-science to try and "prove" god. Crimthann's proof by experience is way more logical than an appeal of wacko scientists who have not published their findings in any credible scientific journals. At least I can empathize with someone's emotional experience.
You are using a science to try and disprove God, why can't I throw something in that you will believe? And i find you flushing the cross down the toilet offensive. Just because you do not believe what I do does not mean that you need to be disrespectful. Disgusting... And very very childish. And they were all very credible scientists in their time, and recorded accurate results. Far from "wacko". If you'd like, I could find the link to the journals for you, but that would take a little work.
Religion (or rather Jesus) has had a PROFOUND impact on me both emotionally and physically. He has saved my life. End of story. There is my emotional experience. Jesus has done nothing short of save my life, both on the cross, and in my immediate life.
No, Jesus did not do anything at all... You did it, you have the power to do anything you want. There isnt some emotional contact with god we can feel every now and then. If there was dont you feel like it would be used all the time? HEY, need to froget about your father and mother being disembowled by a train? Take the Jesus express where all your emotional problems will be solved...
God will not ever be proven by scientific inquiry. A person needing this kind of proof, as creationist do, then does not consider faith. When I think of grace it seems to be the opposite of what evolution is - evolution and nature do not have room for grace and forgiveness. You may be right that mine is an emotional experience but I think it's more than that. What accounts for love? Science accounts for lust very well but real love? I think it is lacking.
After years of exhaustive study and evaluation of the data, the SHROUD OF TURIN RESEARCH PROJECT (STURP) issued its Final Report in 1981. The following official conclusions are reproduced verbatim from that report:
First of all the scientists were hand picked by the Catholic Church and this group is no where near peer reviewed. No secular scientists are allowed any where near the shroud. Most of the people studying the shroud couldn't even qualify as a scientist. One was even just a Captain in the Air Force. Walter C. McCrone, who studied the shroud and who has credentials to back up his research, completely debunks the shroud as anything other than a painting. Pseudo-Science fails again.
The scientists were not hand picked by the Catholic church. *sigh*. That is simply not the case. You guys claim that we are being lied to and deserve the truth, but when it's staring you straight in the face, you cannot, or rather will not, recognize it as such. I pity you, my friend.
The striking negative image was first observed on the evening of May 28, 1898 on the reverse photographic plate of amateur photographer Secondo Pia who was allowed to photograph it while it was being exhibited in the Turin Cathedral. According to Pia, he almost dropped and broke the photographic plate from the shock of seeing an image of a person on it. Many say this was a "Medieval forgery" and cannot and should not be even taken into account. That is simply incorrect. By the manner in which
How in God's name can I respect the opinion of someone who cant even use the words there their and they're in the proper context? You are obviously not very educated, I doubt you finished college, and I suggest you read about the Shroud of Turin. I will continue in my next comment..
but I would like to read about Ghandi and others from other faith's too..
I have also read St. Patrick's confessions and Augustine's confessions..more than once and the confessions of my church and the theologians of my church but people like Dinesh - I am not sure I would really appreciate it..
What I want to do is put some videos out about what my religion teaches. Lutherans are very good at not getting it and are very good at judging one another. The message from Luther on down has been radical -Bonhoeffer knew it and a good many Pastors know it too.. The Kinddom of Heaven is among us and we don't hear the radical call to treat everybody like they are Jesus. Some do and you can see there works - hell a lot of Lutherans can't even love there own family less the stranger.
Crim, I completely agree on all of these points. Lutheranism is very much flawed, and Martin Luther was extremely racist, to a horrifying extent. Toward the Jewish people. And also toward the whites. He was openly a member of the black panthers, if you do not know what that is, it is basically the African-American version of the KKK. I try not to see myself as religious, I try to see myself as a follower of Jesus Christ. Christianity has become extremely corrupt in many forms of the religion.
Gibbie, if you want to drag this out further please drop me a PM through my channel as not to fill up this guy's video comments. Martin Luther was not racist. His problem with the Jews, though wrong, was not racist but a religious prejudice. He was dead almost 500 years before the black panthers existed. He is not the same person as Dr. Martin Luther King (who was a baptist not a Lutheran) and Dr. King was not a black panther either but a man of peace.
"No pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. X-ray, fluorescence and microchemistry on the fibrils preclude the possibility of paint being used as a method for creating the image. Ultra Violet and infrared evaluation confirm these studies. Computer image enhancement and analysis by a device known as a VP-8 image analyzer show that the image has unique, three-dimensional information encoded in it.
However, while this type of contact might explain some of the features of the torso, it is totally incapable of explaining the image of the face with the high resolution that has been amply demonstrated by photography.
the negative characters are stressed by the way in which Christ was laying, he would have had to have been floating in midair at the time in which the image was produced. The only way in which the image could have been produced in such a manner is if a shot of light way produced, scorching the image onto the shroud. While he was, supposedly, "dead and in the ground". Further study on that subject showed irrefutable evidence that there were multiple copies of that image ingrained in each pixel
I'm merely trying to prove something to you, and like i said, i replied to your comment by accident. I'm not ranting, I'm providing you with factual evidence that Jesus was the son of God. If you cannot see that you are simply moronic..
This is a very good video.. if i was to critique it i would say you need to bring up the text more as it is difficult to read.. but i like the style asking questions rather than the usual talking head. I like the music track also..
I think you could appreciate religion more if you spent some time with some religious people that share the values you have or would like to have. Not to say that I have read any of these people or about them, but how about Ghandi? I have read Bonhoeffer. 1)
on the shroud... meaning that there was holographic imaging on it at the time that Jesus died. So you're telling me that a man that was presumed dead floated in midair, produced a light to ingrain his image on cloth, and made the image holographic in the process, was not God's son. Hmm... I've got 5 words for you. COME ON! SEE SIMPLE REASON! Read all of my comments, up and down the page, please. You've just been shut down by a fourteen year old. Good day to you, sir.
He would have had to have been floating in midair, while dead. You must either not understand, or you're challenged. FLOATING IN MIDAIR WHILE DEAD. Need I spell it out?
is that what you base your faith on? Simple logic?
"For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength." I am still not sure why you are directing your comments at me?
No not at all, just giving evidence according to my belief. Did that quote prove anything? You obviously base your "faith" or whatever it is you call it on solid logic. Putting it in lament's terms for your obviously narrowed mind. And i directed it to you at first completely by accident..
At first I was confused why these replies showed up in my inbox about the shroud but then I was jabbin you a little. I think the best thing believers can do is to show the rest of the world the grace we believe we have been given through Christ and the cross by being graceful and forgiving but we often make the mistake of doing just the opposite. That is what an unbelieving world finds most unbelievable and I have a hard time blaming them for that.
haha did you know that the song name is actually you fuck lime my dad... just wanted to point it out
Cryswhatever 1 year ago
@Cryswhatever - Lime? lol ;-) Good Song huh?
Inqoinf 1 year ago
the Pirahã tribe of the amazon has no creation story and they don't want any. all people should study them.
NotTooObvious 2 years ago
well this video blows cock, but the music is good.
ervofuckingundead 2 years ago
Microchemical evaluation has indicated no evidence of any spices, oils, or any biochemicals known to be produced by the body in life or in death. It is clear that there has been a direct contact of the Shroud with a body, which explains certain features such as scourge marks, as well as the blood.
gibbbie 3 years ago
Damn, I don't believe you read any of the report. You know there is a newer one right? First of all McCrone did reproduce the shroud and clearly identified these chemicals you are talking about. You know it's important to read books by people who disagree with the people you agree with. In the official report they said the "blood" couldn't have been blood because when magnified it shows up as black. Seriously, go back to school and learn something useful.
Inqoinf 3 years ago
And I really find it funny that in defeat all atheists resort to, also extremely childish, name calling. Rather humourous, and calling me that makes virtually no sense, seeing as you used the wrong tense of there their and they're in much of your video. I'm just stating my beliefs. Don't call me an idiot for that, and don't act like a child. You are most likely a grown man, and honestly, can't you find a better word in your apparently limited vocabulary than idiot?
gibbbie 3 years ago
He is an idiot. Using pseudo-science to try and "prove" god. Crimthann's proof by experience is way more logical than an appeal of wacko scientists who have not published their findings in any credible scientific journals. At least I can empathize with someone's emotional experience.
Inqoinf 3 years ago
You are using a science to try and disprove God, why can't I throw something in that you will believe? And i find you flushing the cross down the toilet offensive. Just because you do not believe what I do does not mean that you need to be disrespectful. Disgusting... And very very childish. And they were all very credible scientists in their time, and recorded accurate results. Far from "wacko". If you'd like, I could find the link to the journals for you, but that would take a little work.
gibbbie 3 years ago
Yes, please post the Journal articles.
Inqoinf 3 years ago
Religion (or rather Jesus) has had a PROFOUND impact on me both emotionally and physically. He has saved my life. End of story. There is my emotional experience. Jesus has done nothing short of save my life, both on the cross, and in my immediate life.
gibbbie 3 years ago
No, Jesus did not do anything at all... You did it, you have the power to do anything you want. There isnt some emotional contact with god we can feel every now and then. If there was dont you feel like it would be used all the time? HEY, need to froget about your father and mother being disembowled by a train? Take the Jesus express where all your emotional problems will be solved...
TrickSpit 3 years ago
God will not ever be proven by scientific inquiry. A person needing this kind of proof, as creationist do, then does not consider faith. When I think of grace it seems to be the opposite of what evolution is - evolution and nature do not have room for grace and forgiveness. You may be right that mine is an emotional experience but I think it's more than that. What accounts for love? Science accounts for lust very well but real love? I think it is lacking.
crimthann86 3 years ago
After years of exhaustive study and evaluation of the data, the SHROUD OF TURIN RESEARCH PROJECT (STURP) issued its Final Report in 1981. The following official conclusions are reproduced verbatim from that report:
gibbbie 3 years ago
First of all the scientists were hand picked by the Catholic Church and this group is no where near peer reviewed. No secular scientists are allowed any where near the shroud. Most of the people studying the shroud couldn't even qualify as a scientist. One was even just a Captain in the Air Force. Walter C. McCrone, who studied the shroud and who has credentials to back up his research, completely debunks the shroud as anything other than a painting. Pseudo-Science fails again.
Inqoinf 3 years ago
The scientists were not hand picked by the Catholic church. *sigh*. That is simply not the case. You guys claim that we are being lied to and deserve the truth, but when it's staring you straight in the face, you cannot, or rather will not, recognize it as such. I pity you, my friend.
gibbbie 3 years ago
Can be read from second comment down, my apologies, i don't know what happened.
gibbbie 3 years ago
The striking negative image was first observed on the evening of May 28, 1898 on the reverse photographic plate of amateur photographer Secondo Pia who was allowed to photograph it while it was being exhibited in the Turin Cathedral. According to Pia, he almost dropped and broke the photographic plate from the shock of seeing an image of a person on it. Many say this was a "Medieval forgery" and cannot and should not be even taken into account. That is simply incorrect. By the manner in which
gibbbie 3 years ago
How in God's name can I respect the opinion of someone who cant even use the words there their and they're in the proper context? You are obviously not very educated, I doubt you finished college, and I suggest you read about the Shroud of Turin. I will continue in my next comment..
gibbbie 3 years ago
but I would like to read about Ghandi and others from other faith's too..
I have also read St. Patrick's confessions and Augustine's confessions..more than once and the confessions of my church and the theologians of my church but people like Dinesh - I am not sure I would really appreciate it..
crimthann86 3 years ago
I did check out some of your video's by-the-way but I really meant some of those videos that were critiques on religion :)
Inqoinf 3 years ago
What I want to do is put some videos out about what my religion teaches. Lutherans are very good at not getting it and are very good at judging one another. The message from Luther on down has been radical -Bonhoeffer knew it and a good many Pastors know it too.. The Kinddom of Heaven is among us and we don't hear the radical call to treat everybody like they are Jesus. Some do and you can see there works - hell a lot of Lutherans can't even love there own family less the stranger.
crimthann86 3 years ago
Crim, I completely agree on all of these points. Lutheranism is very much flawed, and Martin Luther was extremely racist, to a horrifying extent. Toward the Jewish people. And also toward the whites. He was openly a member of the black panthers, if you do not know what that is, it is basically the African-American version of the KKK. I try not to see myself as religious, I try to see myself as a follower of Jesus Christ. Christianity has become extremely corrupt in many forms of the religion.
gibbbie 3 years ago
Gibbie, if you want to drag this out further please drop me a PM through my channel as not to fill up this guy's video comments. Martin Luther was not racist. His problem with the Jews, though wrong, was not racist but a religious prejudice. He was dead almost 500 years before the black panthers existed. He is not the same person as Dr. Martin Luther King (who was a baptist not a Lutheran) and Dr. King was not a black panther either but a man of peace.
crimthann86 3 years ago
LOL this person, lots of LOLZ!!
Inqoinf 3 years ago
"No pigments, paints, dyes or stains have been found on the fibrils. X-ray, fluorescence and microchemistry on the fibrils preclude the possibility of paint being used as a method for creating the image. Ultra Violet and infrared evaluation confirm these studies. Computer image enhancement and analysis by a device known as a VP-8 image analyzer show that the image has unique, three-dimensional information encoded in it.
gibbbie 3 years ago
However, while this type of contact might explain some of the features of the torso, it is totally incapable of explaining the image of the face with the high resolution that has been amply demonstrated by photography.
gibbbie 3 years ago
the negative characters are stressed by the way in which Christ was laying, he would have had to have been floating in midair at the time in which the image was produced. The only way in which the image could have been produced in such a manner is if a shot of light way produced, scorching the image onto the shroud. While he was, supposedly, "dead and in the ground". Further study on that subject showed irrefutable evidence that there were multiple copies of that image ingrained in each pixel
gibbbie 3 years ago
who is gibbbie and why is he ranting about the shroud.. and why is he replying to my comments?
crimthann86 3 years ago
I'm merely trying to prove something to you, and like i said, i replied to your comment by accident. I'm not ranting, I'm providing you with factual evidence that Jesus was the son of God. If you cannot see that you are simply moronic..
gibbbie 3 years ago
This is a very good video.. if i was to critique it i would say you need to bring up the text more as it is difficult to read.. but i like the style asking questions rather than the usual talking head. I like the music track also..
I think you could appreciate religion more if you spent some time with some religious people that share the values you have or would like to have. Not to say that I have read any of these people or about them, but how about Ghandi? I have read Bonhoeffer. 1)
crimthann86 3 years ago
on the shroud... meaning that there was holographic imaging on it at the time that Jesus died. So you're telling me that a man that was presumed dead floated in midair, produced a light to ingrain his image on cloth, and made the image holographic in the process, was not God's son. Hmm... I've got 5 words for you. COME ON! SEE SIMPLE REASON! Read all of my comments, up and down the page, please. You've just been shut down by a fourteen year old. Good day to you, sir.
gibbbie 3 years ago
you must be talking to someone else, though relics don't impress me..
crimthann86 3 years ago
you dont need to be impressed, its simple logic. See reason, friend.
gibbbie 3 years ago
He would have had to have been floating in midair, while dead. You must either not understand, or you're challenged. FLOATING IN MIDAIR WHILE DEAD. Need I spell it out?
gibbbie 3 years ago
is that what you base your faith on? Simple logic?
"For Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom,but we proclaim Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,but to those who are called, Jews and Greeks alike, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength." I am still not sure why you are directing your comments at me?
crimthann86 3 years ago
No not at all, just giving evidence according to my belief. Did that quote prove anything? You obviously base your "faith" or whatever it is you call it on solid logic. Putting it in lament's terms for your obviously narrowed mind. And i directed it to you at first completely by accident..
gibbbie 3 years ago
faith is a gift.. it comes from God not on human logic...
crimthann86 3 years ago
I know it comes from God, and is a gift. I thought that you didn't believe so I was trying to prove to you that Jesus as God's son...
gibbbie 3 years ago
At first I was confused why these replies showed up in my inbox about the shroud but then I was jabbin you a little. I think the best thing believers can do is to show the rest of the world the grace we believe we have been given through Christ and the cross by being graceful and forgiving but we often make the mistake of doing just the opposite. That is what an unbelieving world finds most unbelievable and I have a hard time blaming them for that.
crimthann86 3 years ago