Mieux, taper simultanément do-si-do#, là, c'est inaudible et ça vous assure donc l'estime de l'intelligentsia de la musique contemporaine instrumentale ! Alors que ces compositeurs peuvent ciseler de telles merveilles en œuvres électro-acoustiques, concrètes ou "pour bande magnétique". "Luminétudes" d'Ivo Malec est une merveille. Alors que "Lumina" et "Lied" sont à s'en décrocher la mâchoire... :-/
Ce que je reproche à la musique contemporaine (pas la musique concrète, ni la musique électro-acoustique, mais instrumentale), c'est d'user et d'abuser des intervalles 7ème majeures, sans rien entre les deux. Vous jouez do mi sol si do, ça le fait sans problèmes. Eux, non, ils tapent d'un coup un do et un si, sans rien entre les deux. Ah, c'est la dissonance assurée, c'est d'un chic !
Thank you for posting this. It’s so beautiful, I wish Webern had written a couple more pieces for children and then assigned them an opus number. Would you consider posting the Klavierstück from 1925 with the score?
webern was such an extreme composer... every note seems sacred, every bar an opus in its own... the difference to schoenberg and berg couldn't be bigger, composers using atonality in completely different ways
@Cancrizans Sorry for my late answer. I feel about the music of the second half of the 20th century like you do. Many of the composers simply compose "modern" to be "modern". Composers like Webern to me were the true "heroes" for taking the path of complete rejection by the music establishment (and the German Nazi government, of course). To me there are a few exceptions, like Olivier Messiaen, or Arvo Pärt - composers that again found their musical language in true relation to history.
@NevinJarek Your answer is not completely correct. It is a historical fact that in the times of Mozart the music of Bach was rejected as "complicated" or "old fashioned". But Mozart himself in his late works went the way back to polyphonic structures like Bach (e.g. late String Quartets). Beethoven's music has a clear relationship to the music of Bach. And Webern himself saw his dodecaphonic music in line with music of the Baroque era (and earlier). Schoenberg did also. Just listen to his op. 25
I cant believe this man could make such complete expressive gems in less than 36 mesures,The 5 orchestral pieces are fabulous.I never heard or saw this one. He knew a great deal.His Passacglia stillsounds like him but nowhere does perfection reign like in his later material.I m n awe. His ear was amazing for instrumental sonorities. Berg&Webern nothing like Schonberg to listen to.Berg is the master always as is Webern. Webern taught a lot .We r lucky.
If you'd actually read about Webern, and gain some musical education and culture, then you'd know what he was doing, at least on an intellectual scale. He was writing music that had no key signature, using twelve tones. No one tone is superior to the others, ie no one tone serves as the point of relation for all the others. All notes in the twelve tone row are sounded without repeats; then the tone rrow forms again.
@avatar6091 Webern, not weber... It wasnt an accident either, perhaps a hasty decision, caused by stress or distrust, but not an accident. And I think it is known who did it, because I recall hearing that the soldier later found he hadn't killed just another hitlerian but worldly renown man, and felt sorry about what he had done.
u think that cuz like most americans u are illiterate. READ SOM ESSAYS FOOL!Joan Peysers is an easy read to get an undrstanding of Boulez and others then try for fun THE REST IS NOISE .get your head out of your anus and discover the REL LIVINg WORLD NOW!!!
@lovesGenet Someone such as yourself, who can't string a sentence together without a grammatical and/or spelling error, is accusing someone else of being illiterate (and taking it further and saying "most Americans" are illiterate)? Maybe you should get your own head out of your anus.
I think the problem this music presents is that it really can't be "felt" in the same way you can feel a piece by Bach or Beethoven or any of the other great classical composers. You can't really say that the "sound picture" created by pieces like this is impressionistic in any way either, as the identity of atonal music comes from its system, which is kind of a philosophical statement about music. Once you understand what they were aiming for, it reveals its own beauty and poetry though.
@JesterOnCrack That's an interesting comment, because it makes you wonder "what to Webern made this piece represent a childlike state?" If it isn't simply the miniature size of the piece, to really understand that question would probably cast a lot of insight into his method and ideas of composition. I think there is probably a ton of hidden connection and reference in atonal music that is hard to get at, its kind of an interesting topic though.
@JesterOnCrack Actually, children accept "crazy" music better then grown ups. This will actually depends of the child, the teacher, the child's family etc. Too bad that in the XXI century people still think this is odd music, as a result of society's lack of education.
@toquepiano Ah yes, if only people were more educated, then they would see how brilliant this is and how pathetic Mozart and Haydn are by comparison! After all, there is no talent or art in writing a memorable melody; that can be done by anyone. Only geniuses can write atonal and dodecaphonic music.
Maybe some kids find music like this comforting because it affirms the key bashing they easily do. (Personally I never cared for contemporary music as a kid and I don't like it now either.)
This is the time of the button "Like" or "Don't like". But we cannot treat music like this, especially this kind of music. It would be correct to say: "I personally don't like this piece BECAUSE my musical taste goes for the composers of Neoclassicism." But your comment is leading to the old argument of "What is good and what is bad music". I believe that recent classical music has not so much to do with "I appreciate this because I understand it" but a lot with emotion or taste.
@musikfreund69 I agree completely.Messing with the don't like button on any of the classical videos imo reveals a true lack of understanding of what classical music is about.As a culture,we in fact have demeaned what the great composers were trying to say...from a message of humanity and transcendence we have created a hypercompetitive environment where musicians are supposed to perform like robots...then we have favorites depending on how badass their technique is. It really is preposterous.
I think it is awful to talk in such a way about music just because it is strange to the listener. This in fact IS music, even if it is completely different from our regular listening experience concerning melody, harmony, rhythm etc. To me, Webern is a composer just as great as Bach or Beethoven. And as I understand his music, he exactly stands in the line of those composers.
@musikfreund69 What is your opinion of the composers of the latter half of the 20th century and today?To me personally I think the real connection with western classical music ended with the death of people like Webern.I don't necessarily dislike it all,but I think there has become a real pretense with this idea of continuing in the footsteps of Bach or Mozart or Beethoven that is no longer real,and simply a pasty and distorted technical version of what was written in the past few hundred years.
@Cancrizans Mozart and Beethoven did not follow the steps of Bach. Music isnt a linear evolution, its a complex tree, and Webern's music is from Brahms' and Schoenberg's branches, who came from Beethovenians. It is not distorted because there is no 'real' music. You cant say "pentatonic scales are not real music, its a distorted sound". Webern's music is as real as Beethoven's, and as distorted.
@NevinJarek That's a really strange picture you paint there.So Mozart and Beethoven have no relation to Bach. but Webern follows both Brahms??? and Shoenberg? I personally have no interest in what people like to listen to or think is "real", and in all honesty I like Webern quite a bit. I just feel that in the 20th century the composition of "classical music" went from something genuine to a more theoretical "let's try and do this classical music thing as brilliantly as we can!!!" kind of thing.
@Cancrizans Im saying that Mozart and Beethoven came from other branches, more like Haydn's and Haendel's. Bach had a lot of different things on mind, more importantly, his music was very polyphonic. Haendel's was too but his modulation and alterations were complex, he was at the vanguard of the tonal language expansion, and he also worked more with chords. Bach's branch kinda died, even though he became so famous for his music, his principles werent taken on by the generations.
You post a comment like "biggest pile of shit in music history" and I'm the troll? That's hilarious. My comment was merely an attempt to engage on the same intellectual level as yours.
I don't care if you like this music or not, but don't bitch and ask people to explain things to you just because you're too stupid and lazy to learn about them yourself. And don't make stupid comments about things you don't know anything about.
You post a comment like "biggest pile of shit in music history" and I'm the troll? That's hilarious. My comment was merely an attempt to engage on the same intellectual level as yours.
I don't care if you like this music or not, but don't bitch and ask people to explain things to you just because you're too stupid and lazy to learn about them yourself. And don't make stupid comments about things you don't know anything about.
I'm not going to follow my initial reaction and say "THIS SUCKS!" but let's just say this doesn't impress upon me that wonderful feeling that most great musicians and compositions almost always do.
Mieux, taper simultanément do-si-do#, là, c'est inaudible et ça vous assure donc l'estime de l'intelligentsia de la musique contemporaine instrumentale ! Alors que ces compositeurs peuvent ciseler de telles merveilles en œuvres électro-acoustiques, concrètes ou "pour bande magnétique". "Luminétudes" d'Ivo Malec est une merveille. Alors que "Lumina" et "Lied" sont à s'en décrocher la mâchoire... :-/
vincentjacque 4 weeks ago
Ce que je reproche à la musique contemporaine (pas la musique concrète, ni la musique électro-acoustique, mais instrumentale), c'est d'user et d'abuser des intervalles 7ème majeures, sans rien entre les deux. Vous jouez do mi sol si do, ça le fait sans problèmes. Eux, non, ils tapent d'un coup un do et un si, sans rien entre les deux. Ah, c'est la dissonance assurée, c'est d'un chic !
vincentjacque 4 weeks ago
atonality is the perfect change :) from others sonsg i mean
JJStuffEngineering 2 months ago
Thank you for posting this. It’s so beautiful, I wish Webern had written a couple more pieces for children and then assigned them an opus number. Would you consider posting the Klavierstück from 1925 with the score?
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MrSaraBest 4 months ago
Actually I disagree, I think a young child would enjoy this.
BugzLooney 4 months ago
webern was such an extreme composer... every note seems sacred, every bar an opus in its own... the difference to schoenberg and berg couldn't be bigger, composers using atonality in completely different ways
lorenzarthur91 5 months ago 3
You know who else hated atonality... Hitler!
acceptthevoid 7 months ago 3
@Cancrizans Sorry for my late answer. I feel about the music of the second half of the 20th century like you do. Many of the composers simply compose "modern" to be "modern". Composers like Webern to me were the true "heroes" for taking the path of complete rejection by the music establishment (and the German Nazi government, of course). To me there are a few exceptions, like Olivier Messiaen, or Arvo Pärt - composers that again found their musical language in true relation to history.
musikfreund69 9 months ago
@NevinJarek Your answer is not completely correct. It is a historical fact that in the times of Mozart the music of Bach was rejected as "complicated" or "old fashioned". But Mozart himself in his late works went the way back to polyphonic structures like Bach (e.g. late String Quartets). Beethoven's music has a clear relationship to the music of Bach. And Webern himself saw his dodecaphonic music in line with music of the Baroque era (and earlier). Schoenberg did also. Just listen to his op. 25
musikfreund69 9 months ago
I cant believe this man could make such complete expressive gems in less than 36 mesures,The 5 orchestral pieces are fabulous.I never heard or saw this one. He knew a great deal.His Passacglia stillsounds like him but nowhere does perfection reign like in his later material.I m n awe. His ear was amazing for instrumental sonorities. Berg&Webern nothing like Schonberg to listen to.Berg is the master always as is Webern. Webern taught a lot .We r lucky.
lovesGenet 10 months ago
If you'd actually read about Webern, and gain some musical education and culture, then you'd know what he was doing, at least on an intellectual scale. He was writing music that had no key signature, using twelve tones. No one tone is superior to the others, ie no one tone serves as the point of relation for all the others. All notes in the twelve tone row are sounded without repeats; then the tone rrow forms again.
paolosilv 10 months ago
I wonder who was the american soldier who shot weber by accident >.<
avatar6091 11 months ago
@avatar6091 Webern, not weber... It wasnt an accident either, perhaps a hasty decision, caused by stress or distrust, but not an accident. And I think it is known who did it, because I recall hearing that the soldier later found he hadn't killed just another hitlerian but worldly renown man, and felt sorry about what he had done.
NevinJarek 10 months ago
u think that cuz like most americans u are illiterate. READ SOM ESSAYS FOOL!Joan Peysers is an easy read to get an undrstanding of Boulez and others then try for fun THE REST IS NOISE .get your head out of your anus and discover the REL LIVINg WORLD NOW!!!
lovesGenet 1 year ago
@lovesGenet Someone such as yourself, who can't string a sentence together without a grammatical and/or spelling error, is accusing someone else of being illiterate (and taking it further and saying "most Americans" are illiterate)? Maybe you should get your own head out of your anus.
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
分け分からん・・・、この曲。
tsuchan2106 1 year ago
I think the problem this music presents is that it really can't be "felt" in the same way you can feel a piece by Bach or Beethoven or any of the other great classical composers. You can't really say that the "sound picture" created by pieces like this is impressionistic in any way either, as the identity of atonal music comes from its system, which is kind of a philosophical statement about music. Once you understand what they were aiming for, it reveals its own beauty and poetry though.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
For some reason I don't think a child would like this 0,0
JesterOnCrack 1 year ago
@JesterOnCrack That's an interesting comment, because it makes you wonder "what to Webern made this piece represent a childlike state?" If it isn't simply the miniature size of the piece, to really understand that question would probably cast a lot of insight into his method and ideas of composition. I think there is probably a ton of hidden connection and reference in atonal music that is hard to get at, its kind of an interesting topic though.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
@JesterOnCrack Actually, children accept "crazy" music better then grown ups. This will actually depends of the child, the teacher, the child's family etc. Too bad that in the XXI century people still think this is odd music, as a result of society's lack of education.
toquepiano 11 months ago
@toquepiano Ah yes, if only people were more educated, then they would see how brilliant this is and how pathetic Mozart and Haydn are by comparison! After all, there is no talent or art in writing a memorable melody; that can be done by anyone. Only geniuses can write atonal and dodecaphonic music.
Maybe some kids find music like this comforting because it affirms the key bashing they easily do. (Personally I never cared for contemporary music as a kid and I don't like it now either.)
MaestroTJS 3 months ago
@BachClarinet
This is the time of the button "Like" or "Don't like". But we cannot treat music like this, especially this kind of music. It would be correct to say: "I personally don't like this piece BECAUSE my musical taste goes for the composers of Neoclassicism." But your comment is leading to the old argument of "What is good and what is bad music". I believe that recent classical music has not so much to do with "I appreciate this because I understand it" but a lot with emotion or taste.
musikfreund69 1 year ago
@musikfreund69 I agree completely.Messing with the don't like button on any of the classical videos imo reveals a true lack of understanding of what classical music is about.As a culture,we in fact have demeaned what the great composers were trying to say...from a message of humanity and transcendence we have created a hypercompetitive environment where musicians are supposed to perform like robots...then we have favorites depending on how badass their technique is. It really is preposterous.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
@copacabanajack
I think it is awful to talk in such a way about music just because it is strange to the listener. This in fact IS music, even if it is completely different from our regular listening experience concerning melody, harmony, rhythm etc. To me, Webern is a composer just as great as Bach or Beethoven. And as I understand his music, he exactly stands in the line of those composers.
musikfreund69 1 year ago
@musikfreund69 What is your opinion of the composers of the latter half of the 20th century and today?To me personally I think the real connection with western classical music ended with the death of people like Webern.I don't necessarily dislike it all,but I think there has become a real pretense with this idea of continuing in the footsteps of Bach or Mozart or Beethoven that is no longer real,and simply a pasty and distorted technical version of what was written in the past few hundred years.
Cancrizans 1 year ago
@Cancrizans Mozart and Beethoven did not follow the steps of Bach. Music isnt a linear evolution, its a complex tree, and Webern's music is from Brahms' and Schoenberg's branches, who came from Beethovenians. It is not distorted because there is no 'real' music. You cant say "pentatonic scales are not real music, its a distorted sound". Webern's music is as real as Beethoven's, and as distorted.
NevinJarek 10 months ago
@NevinJarek That's a really strange picture you paint there.So Mozart and Beethoven have no relation to Bach. but Webern follows both Brahms??? and Shoenberg? I personally have no interest in what people like to listen to or think is "real", and in all honesty I like Webern quite a bit. I just feel that in the 20th century the composition of "classical music" went from something genuine to a more theoretical "let's try and do this classical music thing as brilliantly as we can!!!" kind of thing.
Cancrizans 8 months ago
@Cancrizans Im saying that Mozart and Beethoven came from other branches, more like Haydn's and Haendel's. Bach had a lot of different things on mind, more importantly, his music was very polyphonic. Haendel's was too but his modulation and alterations were complex, he was at the vanguard of the tonal language expansion, and he also worked more with chords. Bach's branch kinda died, even though he became so famous for his music, his principles werent taken on by the generations.
NevinJarek 1 month ago
biggest pile of shit in music history
copacabanajack 1 year ago
@copacabanajack
Your face is the biggest pile of shit in music history.
darthdidious 1 year ago 4
@darthdidious
stop trolling and better tell me what there is to like about this shit
copacabanajack 1 year ago
@copacabanajack
You post a comment like "biggest pile of shit in music history" and I'm the troll? That's hilarious. My comment was merely an attempt to engage on the same intellectual level as yours.
I don't care if you like this music or not, but don't bitch and ask people to explain things to you just because you're too stupid and lazy to learn about them yourself. And don't make stupid comments about things you don't know anything about.
darthdidious 1 year ago 13
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@copacabanajack
You post a comment like "biggest pile of shit in music history" and I'm the troll? That's hilarious. My comment was merely an attempt to engage on the same intellectual level as yours.
I don't care if you like this music or not, but don't bitch and ask people to explain things to you just because you're too stupid and lazy to learn about them yourself. And don't make stupid comments about things you don't know anything about.
darthdidious 1 year ago
@copacabanajack blábláblá...
copacabana de cu é rola...
Misantropo 1 year ago
@copacabanajack As if you know something about music history. As if you know what make musicians deserve merit.
gustavoturm 4 months ago
I'd say this is "cute"
"too cute" perhaps
That's really the only way I can describe it.
I'm not going to follow my initial reaction and say "THIS SUCKS!" but let's just say this doesn't impress upon me that wonderful feeling that most great musicians and compositions almost always do.
DjembeSauce 1 year ago
idiotic 'music'
saulboyjt 1 year ago
@saulboyjt I hope it was a joke?
drumhans 1 year ago
@saulboyjt
idiotic comment
darthdidious 1 year ago
though i love the works of schoenberg and berg especially, i have never understood the appeal of Webern. I can find no faults, but just no enticement
cnmaster01 1 year ago
the title of this piece means "lovely"... Is this meant to be an ironic title? it sounds more macabre to me.
capoeirakid88 1 year ago
@capoeirakid88 No. I think Kinderstück means "child piece" or something like that kidness.
BachClarinet 1 year ago
By the way, I don't like this piece.
That's why I spoke about Shostakovich, Bartók, Stravinsky... Hindemith.
I like the first half of 20th century, except Schoenberg and his pupils, although they have some very lyrical and beautiful pieces.
Like, Contraste I, by Webern. What a beauty!!
BachClarinet 1 year ago
this is Glenn Gould playing. He was enthusiastic about this kind of music and you can hear his "noises".
He can play Bach like anyone else, though.
BachClarinet 1 year ago
@BachClarinet
gould did not record this piece.
goodmanmusica 1 year ago
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This isn't music.
Jostipi 1 year ago
@Jostipi
Yes it is.
darthdidious 1 year ago
Webern is one my favorites.
johnnynoirman 2 years ago
@johnnynoirman What about Shostakovich or Prokofiev? Barber? Copland?
BachClarinet 1 year ago
Sorry to leave them out...what would our music by like without these greats...
i shudder to think....
by the way you forgot Bartok, Stravinsky..Hidemith.& Elliott Carter.
johnnynoirman 1 year ago
beautiful
Robusto103 2 years ago
thank you very much, for posting.
lovely, impressive....great.
rhizom123 2 years ago