Part "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." —1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
This preacher is making no sense towards the end; he says "where's his EARTHLY kingdom gonna be? It can't be here 'cause it's gonna melt with fervent heat. Rather He's gonna come back to deliver the kingdom to the father."
If the Bible states that Jesus WILL once again return to THIS EARTH (it never ONCE speaks of "another earth" that he will return to), then how can it be that he will not be returning here? Don't listen to all this man says, read the Word for yourself and seek help when needed
You are confused. Speaking of the rapture then "fervent heat" two separate issues. You misquote every scripture mentioned. Many scripture show a rapture. Did you notice 2 Peter 3:16 some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; you are a liar
Stupid/ignorant/false teacher OK everybody is worried if there is a Rapture or When... Well lets stick to basics Repent seek God and make sure our hearts are right and ready when he comes.... @ 2nd coming it clearly states Jesus will rule on earth 1000 years remodel and then we reign with Him for eternity. That is very clear what is he reading from ? news paper or teleprompter ??
"Before the decree is issued, before day passes like chaff, before the LORD'S fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger comes upon you! Seek the LORD, all you meek of the Earth, who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be HIDDEN in the day of the LORD'S anger." (Zephaniah 2:2-3)
Why would we need to be HIDDEN in the DAY of the Lord's anger if we are just "raptured" away instead?
Yep..I know that's not very nice.But I'm sick and tired of other believers using the 'holier than thou' argument and telling others they are lost simply because they have differences in doctrines.Perhaps you might actually try refuting this mans arguments instead of judging him eh?
"No rapture? "
Pretty sure there's no Pre Trib Rapture anyways.I wonder if you can SHOW ME scriptural proof that there is any difference in the rapture/harvest and the second coming?
He said no Millennial Reign ON EARTH.His argument was that when the day of the Lord occurs the universe will melt with fervent heat.Which actually IS scriptural by the way.I wonder if you can show me a verse that confirms the milennia will be spent on Earth.
Many modern Churches are just as full of hypocritical back stabbers as the rest of the world.
I like how some of you people take Pauls 'forsake not the assembling of yourselves' to mean I gotta go to a church every time the door is open or God will hate me.Guess you didn't think about how a few friends having bible study is just as much a church as the mainstream brand.The 'herd mentality' of the Church is what has allowed unsound doctrines like Darby's pre trib rapture tome to creep in.
OK here's the truth. There are 2 visible Comings, one FOR the church (Mt.24 Mk.13 Lk.21), the other WITH it (Rev.19). Jesus' 2nd & Resurrection comes immediately after the 1st 3 1/2 yrs of The Tribulation / Great Tribulation period (Daniel's Week) Mt.24:29, Dan.12:1-3) according to Jesus in Lk.17:24-37 & coincides with the 6th Seal Rev.6:12-17, The Appointed Time & The End (Dan.11:27-31). The Abom.of Deso. is the sign of His Coming and of the end of the world (civilization) as in Noah's days.
Jesus comes back TWO more times not ONE more time. This first time is in Rev 19 and Rev 20 to conquer the evil forces that ruled during the Tribulation and then reign on earth for 1000 years. The second time is during the Great White Throne judgement at the end of the earth. People tend to merge these two comings into one and get all confused.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 talks about Christ coming back for the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the earth in Rev 20-21, not about a rapture anywhere near the time of the Tribulation.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 : Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Arrogant absolutely right no rapture for you !! Enjoy the tribulation !!! What bible are you reading buddy..........False prophet... I even fear for your salvation
I STRONGLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO SEE THOSE SITES IT WILL CLEAR YOUR UNDERSTANDING WHEN THE RAPTURE TAKE PLACE AND RESURRECTION OF THE SAINTS AND OTHER FINAL EVENTS OF THE BIBLE PROPHECY
This man has obviously never read Revelation in his life because nearly everything that he says is not in the Bible is in Revelation alone. To be clear, "Harpazo" is the Greek word used which means "snatching away"; in the Latin translation, the word used is "rapturos". And please, stop confusing the Last Trump with the final trumpet of the judgement; they are not the same. Nowhere does it say that Christ is coming down to get us; we are going up to meet Him, there is still just a second coming.
Jude 14-15, like the whole book of Jude [1 chapter], is simply a warning against false and ungodly men who had secretly infiltrated the church, and would remain in the church until the second coming of Christ, when they would face judgment. The book of Jude neither confirms nor denies a "rapture" of the saints. No doubt the scriptures[Matt., 2 Thess., Rev., 1 cor.] plainly teach a "gathering" of the saints. A "rapture" can hardly be proven, or disproven, using the verses in Jude.
WHAAaaaat an IDIOT! He never even addresses the Book of Revelations, and what he thinks about the Book of Revelations! He just says "it's not in the New Testament"...well, maybe you just didn't finish reading your Bible before you got on there, ya' nut! I can't believe there are people who actually deny the rapture...smh
I should like to ask this fellow exactly is supposed to happen to God's people well he burns the earth to a sinder? Could it not more be that he was saying He will pour out his spirit on all flesh. For when the comes he shall baptise you in the Holy Spirit and in Fire. The fire of the Holy Spirit, is going to melt the rudiments of Satan's Kingdom. I don't know what sort of Father you serve, but he is not the God of the Bible. Atomic Warfare and Asteroids crashing to Earth, shame on you
people use the term "rapture" because of what the bible says "caught up" but it is true, there is no secret rapture its just when jesus meets up with the people up in the clouds, but people have to know the the church does have to go through tribulation!!!!! Mathew 24 makes it very clear!!!!
Jesus has a second coming...he doesn't have a 3rd time. When he comes it's for judgement, not to hover over the sky and pick some people up and come back for the 3rd time. If we are indeed "caught" up it's at the last trumpet, when it's all over.
Peter in vs. 13 looks for a New heaven and A NEW EARTH. Whats the difference between the earth now and then? Simply this: Only righteousness dwells there, God's fire destroys everything contaminated by sin.
There are several verses in the Bible supporting the rapture. However there is none supporting a SECRET RAPTURE or those 7 years of tribulation, etc.
The word rapture simply means the gathering together of saints in the air at Christs return.
The word Rapture probably is not in the bible,but it is in the bible where Jesus will return to get all the real Christians to take them back with him to heaven ! how every you may want to dicker with words, Jesus is returning to get his people. Call it a rapture, Doober Dober or whoooder what ever you want but Jesus is returning to get his people.
you can play word games of what you call Jesus returning to get his people,but he is returning to get his people !
The Storys the rapture & purgatory is a lie,but Let me still warn you. Jesus still coming to get all the Christians to be drawn up in the clouds to heaven by Jesus. The Rapture story is a lie but Jesus is still coming to get his people so don't think your off the hook. You get into heaven by believing Jesus died on the cross for your sins !
Iran President got out of the rapture story if he can start a world war 3 Allah will return at that time ! Iran is tring to start World War 3 right now !
@TheSidney1961 Hate in this context - Simply means (to love less), so yes we shold love God more than anything or anyone. It's like a child that loves his friend more than the one that gave him life.
Please don't forget God's 5th Commandment says Honor your mother and father...but the 1st says though shalt have no other God's before me.
A close relationship can be your God if we allow it.
There is no where in Matt 24,Mark 13 or Luke 21. Where Jesus spoke of any secret rapture no where! Jesus said plainly speaking to the apostles who were a type of the church that they would be deliver you to tribulation thats Matt 24:9 the whole chapter talks of all that the church would go thru but he who endures to the end shall be saved. Yes He will come back sure thats bible but no secret...
@njelboi the time has beeen shortend...so that his children have a chance against the beast...and we dont need to be raptured...because the lord is coming to earth...and stay here in the earths kingdom...
This man obviously hasn't read very much into his Bible judging from what he's talking about. The reason the Bible doesn't mention the Rapture specifically is because the term itself wasn't coined until way later. Study Thessalonians, and Revelation, and you'll see it.
Also, Christ not setting foot on the earth? False. Christ, in fact, rules over the earth for 1000 years before he must let Satan loose for a season the final time. After that is the Great White Throne Judgement.
ppl its hard wen ppl believe different things,as long as u know the important basics,so u wont be deceived,im sure the our father will be bothered,looking at us arguing over everybodys ideas,we got other important things to worry about, like how we can teach the nonbelievers,about the truth,or what the enemys planning against gods children, we know anti-christ comes first,and yes theres gonna be very hard horrible times but jesus did it for us, we gotta be strong and take it like gods warriors..
In the twinkling of an eye we will be changed, from flesh to spirit beings! But look and see who gets raptured, according to the rapture theorists. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the FLOOD CAME AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be TAKEN and the other left. WICKED ARE TAKEN
Who cares what you don't believe. It's your lost, not the believers. After we're gone and you'll have to face the chopping blocks of (Rev 20:4) I wonder if you'll have the guts. Or will you just accept the mark in fear.
RAPTURE: 1 Corinthians 15:52 ..in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. This is QUICK..snatched away/rapture.The 2nd coming of Jesus ....“every knee should bow...and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord” (Phil 2:10,11)! as this will take more time to bow the knee, to confess...??? THIS IS LIKE DAY AND NIGHT ... CONFIRMATION!
Preacher ... if you read Rev. 4:4 ..... 24 elders ...with their ... white garments(..that's VICTORY and crowns ...(that's handed out ..) Meaning the rapture must have taken place...as they are .... on their thrones before God .... that's the rapture!
Good teaching sir! Only 2 people will be raptured, after they die, in 31/2 days God will raise them from the dead, & say "come up here!" These 2 people are the two witnesses in Revelation 11. Then they will go up into the clouds before men, People will see them. It will probably be like when Moses & Elisha were taken to heaven.
@RudeAwakning Your discription sure doesn't match the scriptures and the twinkling of an eye. Looks like you could just be another who will know they screwed up when believers are gone, and you're not.
This guy is correct about the rapture NOT being in the bible! 1 Thess. 4:17 is about
where the dead are, NOT Christ's return!! BUT this guy is off his ROCKER if he thinks Christ is not returning to "Rule and reign for a thousand years" that IS very DEFINITELY in the bible! Check Revelation 20!!
Anyone denying the rapture of the church from the wrath to come is denying the promise of Jesus to come back and deliver us from the wrath to come. Rapturo or rapture is Latin for catching up in 1 Thes. 4:17. Rapture is in the bible, the Latin Bible. Beware saints this false teacher above is being deceived by the enemy. (2 Pet 3:3-12)
@paulbortolazzo If Christ is going to "Rapture" His people away, why would we need the Gospel armour on and in place to stand against the fiery darts of Satan?
The word "Rapture" is not found ANYWHERE in the bible.
@emjee, The rapture comes after the Antichrist wars against the saints during the great tribulation (Mat. 24:15, 21-22, 30-31) There will be believers that get the victory over the Beast; while others will be overcome (Rev. 15:2, 13:7) And yes, emjee, the rapture is in the bible, the Latin Bible! Raptruo or rapture is Latin for caught up in 1 Thes. 4:17. Gbu Paul
There really is a rapture if you have correct understanding. When you see [the man bearing a pitcher of water], [The Age of Aquarius], which we enter on December 21, 2012; you will evolve in a matter of minutes inta a twelve strand DNA human, and you will be immortal. You will be able to survive the fervent heat like Shadrak, meshach, and Abendigo.
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17... its right there...
exactly there is no rapture...cause is not in the bible...and ppl satan does come first ...remember he comes in peace...as jesus...see ppl that dont read the bible...wont know this and get on their knees to worship him...and i bet ull feel so bad wen the true king of kings comes back and finds u in bed wit satan...bless gods elect...bless the world...bless u...and study and research...so u wont be draggd down to hell...
who cares if there is a rapture or not..as long as we are saved when Jesus comes in the end..true believers will agree with me on this..! but the gathering will come after the tribulation,,it says so in Revelation..
@iam7who7iam7 why? don't you believe that Jesus is God's only 'begotten' son? you should read the bible all over again.. and Jesus' name is actually Yeshua in Greek meaning 'Salvation'(if I'm correct)..and I'm pretty sure that Jesus' name is not 'Jesus' in Latin..
U are so unlearned. Pick up the Bible and see the words caught up!.You are the biggest false so called prophet i ever seen. You will see it when u get on the other side. Acts 2;38. U are working for the devil and don't even know it yet, but u will. Maybe u can't read. Caught up in the Bible is the same as rapture or snatch away etc. If u don't want to use the word rapture then caught up. I'm going so u can stay if u want to. U don't speak for me. The devil is laughing at you. Doing what he wants
@preachernorm here is the verse that states there will be a rapture. Genesis 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
Now Read Daniel 9:25-27 and know and understand it.
@andrewprofit Read Thess 4:16 - and into Chapter 5 where is says they shall not escape. That's the wick who are alive at his return he will not kill the righteous with the wick for the righteous will be caught up and the wicked will not escape. 2 Thess says the same Concerning our gathering together unto the Lord, the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming. Same as 1 Thess 4:16 - ch 5. Also read 2 Thess 1 where it says the Lord shall come with firery vengance.
I'm afraid that's not good enough. I am a member of the church of Christ now, but I used to belong to a Pentecostal denomination. The biblical rapture evidence is taken from 1 Thess 4:16-17. I know it's talking about the end of the world, and not the precursor to the alleged 7 year trib, but it's something you probably should have addressed, or you get people like DeeStinger1 thinking you're lost.
@tgbotg He's as lost as one shoe without the other. He just shows he don't read the Bible, or comprehends what he does read. The Rapture and the Second Coming are two seperate events. And yes the rapture is pre-trib (Rev.3:10). Here's just a few passages. RAPTURE = Jesus coming FOR His Church. (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess. 4:14-17) SECOND COMING = Jesus coming WITH His Church (Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14) ** RAPTURE = Caught up with Him in the air (1 Thess 4:13-18 ) SECOND COMING =
(CONT) Jesus' feet touch earth (Zech 14:4, Rev:19:11-21) ** RAPT = Only Christians will see Him (1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52) SEC COM = Every eye will see Him (Rev.1:7) ** RAPT = Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) (1 Cor.15:52) SEC COM = Slow coming, people will see Him come back - (Zech.12:10, Matt.24:30, Rev.1:7) ** RAPT = Can happen at any time (Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6) SEC COM = Happens at end of 7 years of Trib (Dan 9:24-27, Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8)
2 Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING UNTO HIM, (rapture) 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. (rapture) 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (rapture)
@iam7who7iam7 - I've referenced 2 Thess. Chapter 2 as the bible states about His coming and our being gathered unto him will not happen until after the son of perdition, (little horn power) is revealed or after the tribulation or after the Last/ 7thTrumpet etc. So I believe we are stating the same thing here. Correct?
When you say Tribulation period are you referring to the Daniel 9:27 from Scoffield's Bible?
@Tikal007 Man I don't even believe in this New Testament anymore. If you watch the series on my page "WHO IS YOUR SAVIOR REALLY" you will understand what I am talking about. We have been disobeying the first commandment this whole time.
(CONT) (1 THESS.4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words. THE QUESTION ARISES WHEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO KNOW CHRIST, DO THEY REALLY KNOW HIM? Apparently not well enough to know that He would never punish His Own with the wicked of the world. The trib is pure wrath and WE are not appointed to wrath (1Thess.5:9) but to obtain salvation(DELIVERANCE) by our Lord Jesus Christ. THE NO RAPTURE DOCTRINE IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS. How do we comfort one another saying we'll suffer GOD's WRATH?
@DeeStinger1 2 Thessalonians 1:3-Therefore, among Yahuwah's churches we boast about your PERSERVERANCE and FAITH in all the PERSECUTIONS and TRIALS you are enduring. 5All this is evidence that Yahuwah's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of Yahuwah, for which you are SUFFERING. This is saying we have to suffer through the tribulation.
@iam7who7iam7 You're going to tell ppl to "Google" it and THAT is your documentation? HA! Sorry, but I prefer to rely on things like the ancient Hebrew text, The Massorah, and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. THAT should be where you send ppl for proof, not "Google".
@iam7who7iam7 You're going to tell ppl to "Google" it and THAT is your documentation? HA! Sorry, but I prefer to rely on things like the ancient Hebrew text, The Massorah, and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. THAT should be where you send ppl for proof, not "Google". They translated EVERYONE's name from Greek to English, From Hebrew to Greek, from Aramaic, etc etcd. Do some HOMEWORK!!
But it IS in the Bible. The gospel is hid from you because you are lost. You can stay here and face the guilitines of (Rev.20:4). As for me, I'll be gone by then. Caught Up to meet Him in the air. You are wrong on so many levels. It's Simple. Those who talk against the rapture and don't look forward to it, won't be raptured. Had you have the Spirit dwelling in you you would know.
I agree. Even though the Rapture word itself is not in the Bible the concept is clearly in the Bible. The Bible is in direct total contradiction with preachernorm on the rapture issue as well as several other issues.
@UberTrophy out of all the examples that you gave, not one was taken out of the world. If you were to go on and one you would find the same. Those who endure to the end will be saved. When I read 1Thess 4:16-17 I don't see where this will happen b4 the tribulation. That is really what the rapture lie is, Christ's coming b4 the tribulation. I agree with you. It's only when you don't want to understand things, that you miss them.
@UberTrophy None of those examples excaped anything!
God kept them through it!
Noah was ON the earth - kept (safe) in the Ark
Jews under Esther did not escape; (power) was given for them to fight back.
Isaac was ON the alter - proteced by the (voice) of the Lord as knife was to fall.
Isreal was IN egypt as ALL of the Plagues fell even the last one that killed the first born. Christ comes all the first born again shall die. WE MUST BE 2nd born or BORN AGAIN covered by his blood. Amen!
If you don't believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture I don't believe you will be Raptured. Just don't take the mark of the Beast but you maybe beheaded.
Sid: If u don't believe & it's all foolishness y get in on convers?Do u feel overridg incessant need like phony C'n super-preachers knowg little Bible translatory study 2 convert all other "idjits" besides yourself?Who does this sound like 2 u?Road 2 Damascus=relative 4 any/all of we.Not judging u nor try'g 2 b harsh JMH take.
Sid:proper Manuscript transltn =love your father/mother just LESS than He, not actual "h8" but many wont know this cuz havent studied orig texts much like many.Only terrorist He=toward habitual scumbags/TERRORISTS.There's still time/hope yet.When u draw last gasp of air in this life we'll see how sure.
PRE-TRIB = FALSE. Mark of the Beast = 6/6/6 = 6th Seal/Trump/Vial.Satan comes as anti-Christ @ 666 CLAIMING TO BE CHRIST "come for his children" (fake rapture doctrine sets this up!). The TRUE Christ comes AFTER, @ LAST TRUMP = 7/7/7 = 7th Seal/Trump/Vial to cast this phony into "prison/gulf" & destroy his Big Gov't System. It's just THAT simple,=POST TRIB. KJV - 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Matt 24, Mark 13 ALL say POST TRIB, POST ANTI-C. Ez 13: 20 has God FORE-telling us that He h8s fly-away! cRapture LIE
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
The rapture is going to happen. It is true that the rapture is not explicitly stated in the bible but is implicitly described. I've done extreme study on each of the various views on the rapture and anti rapture ppl. Clearly pre-trib rapture.
The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a false doctrine. It is a beautiful lie held by people who want to hear what they want to hear instead of what the bible actually reads.
@MrSoulja87 Or to simply read John 17:15 where Christ Himself is praying to our Creator and says "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."
We aren't going anywhere. We will be here during EVERYTHING, however God Himself is going to keep all of his anointed from evil. As He says to Satan and his followers: "You shall not touch one hair on the head of mine anointed." There is no rapture, and to say so in itself is blasphemous.
@Myhopeisinhim No "rapture" PERIOD. And this pastor has some of it right, but a whole lot of it dead wrong. Revelations clearly states that Christ will once again set foot here on earth on the Mount Of Olives after Satan is here 5 months playing the role of Antichrist (which means "instead of Christ") and that there most certainly WILL be a Millennium age ("The Lord's Day") where those who did overcome death (that is to say Satan, who is called "death" numerous times in the Bible) will teach...
@Myhopeisinhim ...truth and reign with Christ those thousand years, preaching to the multitudes of those who did not overcome death in this Earth age (the 2nd of 3). Immediately after the Millennium age comes to an end, Satan will again be loosed for a short season, to test those newly converted ones, and those who do not overcome THIS FINAL TIME, and again follow Satan, will be cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and his followers from the first earth age. Those who overcome Satan...
@Myhopeisinhim .,,THIS time around, will be transformed into our immortal spiritual bodies once Christ returns, however, those who do not overcome will also be transformed into their spiritual bodies, except theirs will not yet be immortal (which means they are still liable to die, if they do not overcome Satan once he is loosed for a short season at the end of the Millennium). As it states in 2Peter, a thousand years with man is but one day with the Lord; hence why it's called "The Lord's Day".
One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
Yes 2 Peter 3:12 does say that the heavens and the earth shall melt with fervent heat at the coming DAY of God. BUT 2 Peter 3:8 ALSO says BE NOT IGNORANT of this one thing, that one DAY is as a 1000 years, and a 1000 years is as a DAY. The WRATH of God BEGINS just BEFORE the 1000 year reign of Jesus here on THIS earth and then at the END of the DAY, the 1000 year reign the consumation of God's WRATH in poured out, and God creates a New heaven and a New earth.
ANNOUNCEMENT: Norm does not believe in the TRINITY - it is not mention in the Bible - the TRINITY cannot be found in the Bible. If you ever hear a preacher use the word TRINITY jump up and say "where is it?" Call Norm when they use the word TRINITY - he will come and video it!!
He's right that theres no pre-rapture, but he's WRONG about Yeshua not coming and reigning on this earth. Revelation 21, (Zecheriah 14, Acts 11) Revelation 22- New heavends and New earth. We are not going to be in heaven.
The "pre-tribulation" rapture is a lie. The "mid-tribulation" rapture is a lie as well. The "post-tribulation" rapture is wha's taught in Scripture! In 1st Thess. 4:16-18, it says we shall MEET the Lord Jesus IN THE AIR. However, we escort Him to the earth. Once you look up the word "meet" in the Strong's, you'll understand.
I know what the Bible states I was referring to the "rapture doctrine" created by darby and a 14 yr old child marget mcdonald. I know what it states at the 7 trumpet.. and when Immanuel returns that is the only time we will be caught up..
exactly. Instead of the hocus-pocus, unbiblical 2nd,3rd and 4th returns of Christ
We'll be here in the tribulation - but we will not suffer God's wrath. We will go through trials, be persecuted and (many) slain by the World system. Many will fall away (great apostacy) - but we will not fall into the judgement of God
We're here 7 years - and those who are slain will be raised up at the last trumpet - and those few who survive will then transfigure with Christ for His purpose
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
The word "Christians" means nothing to me.I know win I come aross a bother in Christ or was in Christ trying to get back. Yes, your comment is right, but many Christains are not following Christ, but they follow "there" churchs. For I am apart of the church "heart", I was born of fire by the Holy Ghost and I hast seen glory from above. That Fire is pure love, and that Love does not go around, making comment like I see on youtube, so how can ye be in Christ if ye are abomination to the. repent!
Your first 3 sentences were legible... lol, but the last.... (2? -ish) sentences kind of trailed off.. lol But I understand what you mean. I think. I left the major organized "assemblies" but I never abstained from gathering with other saints. I felt sick whenever I had not reached out to others who shared the same desire to know God.
I am curious who is the abomination that you speak of ?
Any one that points and call other people names, hate others eta... What people do to other you also do it to the Lord, each time you judge a person you Judge the Lord... Judge not and be not Judge.
Did you think that I was implying that you are not a Christian...
when I wrote "we christians" ... ? I hope not. That would mean that you are awfully sensitive and quick to assume that I was making a judgement. In reality, I was making a statement. And I don't really care what the Seculorum calls themselves. I'm expecting them to try and pollute the word, "Christian." But at the same time, Paul considered the word to a high praise.
And as for 'judgement' being a 4-letter word (politcally incorrect) and scriptually MISUNDERSTOOD..... If I see you and see the fruits of the Spirit in you - then I judge that you have The Father. That is a righteous judgement - and a judgement that I gladly receive If I see you and don't see God in you, then I don't worry about you. God will judge you But if you are True Christian, then by all means, we can judge each other for the sole purpose of edification. Thats biblical
The rapture is just another false doctrine being taught by false teachers...What is described in Revelation 1: 7 does not fit the description of a rapture
The word "rapture" isn't in the Bible, but it will happen according to Matt. 24, I Thess. 4:16-18, and in Rev. Believe the Bible instead of this deceived man!
thats not true it plainly states in the bible that jesus will RETURN not that that we will be taken away! where does it say that we will be taken away and i might change my mind but infact this preacher is correct there is no "Rapture" i dont know who invented this theory?
I read it, I do not see your point. It speaks of Jesus coming back in His second coming. Rapture is not used in these verses. Do not be misled.Satan counts on this to happen. For faith will falter when this pre-rapture does NOT take place. Will your faith carry you through the tribulation when you feel God has abandoned those who felt they should be saved? Be warned . Satan will prey on the weak at this time.
it depends are how you interpret the context and phrase of "harpazo" in 2 Thess.4:17
I personally think that we will be here for the entire tribulation. Most of the religious folk will fall away into apostacy and disbelief. And the rest will largely be slain and persecuted by the Anti-Christ. But those who endure to the end will be given new positions and new bodies.
Thats right there is no rapture. mattew ch 24:29-31 say Jesus is coming in the clouds after tribulation not before. But the part he said about the heat now thats true but its after 1000 year reign in heaven with Jesus revelation ch 20 notice we will be reigning with Jesus and not Jesus with us. We will go into heaven to the new jerusalem then after the thousand years the wicked will be reserected and they will suround the new jerusalem and fire will come down and consume them. After we land on e
I'm always concerned for these types who proclaim bold statements like
"Thats not in the bible"
I honestly believe that this man is being genuine and wants to help ppl with his bible Q n As...
However he makes some serious statements that are directly in opposition to the Word of God.
If you don't know or understand verses that are talkin abo rapture, 1000yr reign, Jesus setttin foot on earth, then remain in ur igrnoance. However to come out n say "Its not there" is far from the truth
Well most church of christ teachings believe that the book of revelation has already happened. they believe that the 1000 year milinium reign started at the cross.. The word rapture isnt in the english version of the bible, but it is in the latin. weather you want to use, the word (rapture) or the (snatching away of the church) or the (great caught up) it doesnt matter, there speaking all about 1 thesselonians 4:16-17, one word that describes a event that will one day take place God Bless
Well 1. book of rev hasnt 'already happened'. 2. the 1000yr reign has not happened... and it is literal reign on earth, as long as u study the old test prophecies about it. I kno the exact word 'rapture' isnt in the bible, the same way the exact word 'trinity' is not in the bible, but they are terms with biblical foundations. The church in these last days is pretty messed up theologically... its all part of the 'doctrines of devils' the bible prophesied about. Beware.
he trying to help people that it good but he do make some assumption which are opposite to God's word i've read that there will be a 1000 after christ return where he teaches to all people in the book of Ezekiel but that i guess in that 1000 he might just there listening i guess
I've recently come to suspect that h'Satawn is glorifying in our division of doctrines....
and perhaps he's preparing a mass murder of saints that the world can call "the rapture" - so that many will lose heart. It would happen in a way that would not encourage be
He dont read often.lol
TATEBOX 5 days ago
Part "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." —1st Thessalonians 4:13-18
Russianvids 1 month ago
This preacher is making no sense towards the end; he says "where's his EARTHLY kingdom gonna be? It can't be here 'cause it's gonna melt with fervent heat. Rather He's gonna come back to deliver the kingdom to the father."
If the Bible states that Jesus WILL once again return to THIS EARTH (it never ONCE speaks of "another earth" that he will return to), then how can it be that he will not be returning here? Don't listen to all this man says, read the Word for yourself and seek help when needed
TheLastAaron 1 month ago 2
This Bozo is a Stupid Head.
fallclassic27 2 months ago
Wow.. and you will be the one thats left behind... I pray for you my brother ... Get filled with the Holy Ghost b4 its too late......
preachaman256 3 months ago
You are confused. Speaking of the rapture then "fervent heat" two separate issues. You misquote every scripture mentioned. Many scripture show a rapture. Did you notice 2 Peter 3:16 some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; you are a liar
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
Sheep and the Goats shows you-- heretic
freecounselingonline 5 months ago
study Daniel chapter 12 then tell me there is no rapture or catching up, 1 cor 15 v. 51-53, 1 tes chapter 4
wendelmassey 6 months ago
Stupid/ignorant/false teacher OK everybody is worried if there is a Rapture or When... Well lets stick to basics Repent seek God and make sure our hearts are right and ready when he comes.... @ 2nd coming it clearly states Jesus will rule on earth 1000 years remodel and then we reign with Him for eternity. That is very clear what is he reading from ? news paper or teleprompter ??
sk4treasure2 6 months ago
dear Lord help this blind man and open his eyes to your divine truth...
icysilver1 6 months ago
i have to wonder what book this dude is reading because it is not the same bible i read.
icysilver1 6 months ago
dude youre blind read the bible
boricua796 7 months ago
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"Before the decree is issued, before day passes like chaff, before the LORD'S fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger comes upon you! Seek the LORD, all you meek of the Earth, who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be HIDDEN in the day of the LORD'S anger." (Zephaniah 2:2-3)
Why would we need to be HIDDEN in the DAY of the Lord's anger if we are just "raptured" away instead?
themanningsjdsjjj 4 months ago
You're lost sir. No rapture? No Millenial reign? I think you need a good church to attend!
okflyer777 7 months ago
"You're lost sir."
Shove it...
Yep..I know that's not very nice.But I'm sick and tired of other believers using the 'holier than thou' argument and telling others they are lost simply because they have differences in doctrines.Perhaps you might actually try refuting this mans arguments instead of judging him eh?
"No rapture? "
Pretty sure there's no Pre Trib Rapture anyways.I wonder if you can SHOW ME scriptural proof that there is any difference in the rapture/harvest and the second coming?
richiefranklin76 7 months ago
"No Millenial reign?"
Did you even listen?
He said no Millennial Reign ON EARTH.His argument was that when the day of the Lord occurs the universe will melt with fervent heat.Which actually IS scriptural by the way.I wonder if you can show me a verse that confirms the milennia will be spent on Earth.
richiefranklin76 7 months ago
Many modern Churches are just as full of hypocritical back stabbers as the rest of the world.
I like how some of you people take Pauls 'forsake not the assembling of yourselves' to mean I gotta go to a church every time the door is open or God will hate me.Guess you didn't think about how a few friends having bible study is just as much a church as the mainstream brand.The 'herd mentality' of the Church is what has allowed unsound doctrines like Darby's pre trib rapture tome to creep in.
richiefranklin76 7 months ago
@richiefranklin76 I agree
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
Rapture is description of harvest, which is biblical Ma 24, I Cor 15, I The and Re 14..
reliinfo 9 months ago
YOU DON'T JUMP AT CHURCH WHIT ANY DISAGREEMENT .GOD DOES EVERYTHING IN DECENT ORDER SO MUST THE CHURCH.
northmemphis48 9 months ago
OK here's the truth. There are 2 visible Comings, one FOR the church (Mt.24 Mk.13 Lk.21), the other WITH it (Rev.19). Jesus' 2nd & Resurrection comes immediately after the 1st 3 1/2 yrs of The Tribulation / Great Tribulation period (Daniel's Week) Mt.24:29, Dan.12:1-3) according to Jesus in Lk.17:24-37 & coincides with the 6th Seal Rev.6:12-17, The Appointed Time & The End (Dan.11:27-31). The Abom.of Deso. is the sign of His Coming and of the end of the world (civilization) as in Noah's days.
SRamdhani1 9 months ago
@SRamdhani1 the consummation of the age (world-system) is not the end of the world after the defeat of
the anti-christ is the millennium.
There are only 2 resurrections one for life (harvest) and one for judgment.
reliinfo 9 months ago
@SRamdhani1
Agreed...there won't be a rapture AT LEAST until the antichrist performs the abomination of desolation
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MrAndrVa 9 months ago
Jesus comes back TWO more times not ONE more time. This first time is in Rev 19 and Rev 20 to conquer the evil forces that ruled during the Tribulation and then reign on earth for 1000 years. The second time is during the Great White Throne judgement at the end of the earth. People tend to merge these two comings into one and get all confused.
CraigGraham 9 months ago
@CraigGraham Re 20 Probably the GWT judgment is on earth before the total destruction.
So most likely YHM does not have to "come back" when it is after the millennium and last war.
reliinfo 9 months ago
1 Thessalonians 4:17 talks about Christ coming back for the Great White Throne Judgement at the end of the earth in Rev 20-21, not about a rapture anywhere near the time of the Tribulation.
CraigGraham 9 months ago
@CraigGraham 1 Thes 4:17 is the harvest (rapture) not the return on earth Re 19.
believers tribulation ends with rapture, tribulation for unbelievers turns into wrath of God.
reliinfo 9 months ago
1 Thessalonians 4:17 : Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
timza1 10 months ago
Arrogant absolutely right no rapture for you !! Enjoy the tribulation !!! What bible are you reading buddy..........False prophet... I even fear for your salvation
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MrAndrVa 10 months ago
Christ did say he coming to get us read John 14v3! you show me rapture then for i havent found it either show me book chapter verse .
firefighter40ish 10 months ago
This man has obviously never read Revelation in his life because nearly everything that he says is not in the Bible is in Revelation alone. To be clear, "Harpazo" is the Greek word used which means "snatching away"; in the Latin translation, the word used is "rapturos". And please, stop confusing the Last Trump with the final trumpet of the judgement; they are not the same. Nowhere does it say that Christ is coming down to get us; we are going up to meet Him, there is still just a second coming.
xAquinasx 11 months ago
This is the MOST unstudied man I have ever seen. He has a suit, a tie and one verse. That's it!!!!
gnzoz 11 months ago
If the rapture is false then explain to me Jude chapter 1 verse 14-15
wkn9 11 months ago
@wkn9
Jude 14-15, like the whole book of Jude [1 chapter], is simply a warning against false and ungodly men who had secretly infiltrated the church, and would remain in the church until the second coming of Christ, when they would face judgment. The book of Jude neither confirms nor denies a "rapture" of the saints. No doubt the scriptures[Matt., 2 Thess., Rev., 1 cor.] plainly teach a "gathering" of the saints. A "rapture" can hardly be proven, or disproven, using the verses in Jude.
sidrojoe 10 months ago 2
WHAAaaaat an IDIOT! He never even addresses the Book of Revelations, and what he thinks about the Book of Revelations! He just says "it's not in the New Testament"...well, maybe you just didn't finish reading your Bible before you got on there, ya' nut! I can't believe there are people who actually deny the rapture...smh
HelloKittyNYC7 1 year ago
I should like to ask this fellow exactly is supposed to happen to God's people well he burns the earth to a sinder? Could it not more be that he was saying He will pour out his spirit on all flesh. For when the comes he shall baptise you in the Holy Spirit and in Fire. The fire of the Holy Spirit, is going to melt the rudiments of Satan's Kingdom. I don't know what sort of Father you serve, but he is not the God of the Bible. Atomic Warfare and Asteroids crashing to Earth, shame on you
Mrpl778 1 year ago
That man is a false prophet.
1954phyllis 1 year ago
people use the term "rapture" because of what the bible says "caught up" but it is true, there is no secret rapture its just when jesus meets up with the people up in the clouds, but people have to know the the church does have to go through tribulation!!!!! Mathew 24 makes it very clear!!!!
djcharley77 1 year ago
Jesus has a second coming...he doesn't have a 3rd time. When he comes it's for judgement, not to hover over the sky and pick some people up and come back for the 3rd time. If we are indeed "caught" up it's at the last trumpet, when it's all over.
only1chance1 1 year ago
hmmm. i dunno. Either way I'm a follower of Christ.
AaronTrutsJC 1 year ago
PreacherNorm, the 'harpazo' is in the Bible. Christians will be 'caught up'. It is in the Bible.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
You should have read ALL of 2 Peter chapter 3!
Peter in vs. 13 looks for a New heaven and A NEW EARTH. Whats the difference between the earth now and then? Simply this: Only righteousness dwells there, God's fire destroys everything contaminated by sin.
There are several verses in the Bible supporting the rapture. However there is none supporting a SECRET RAPTURE or those 7 years of tribulation, etc.
The word rapture simply means the gathering together of saints in the air at Christs return.
naciamaJYute 1 year ago
@naciamaJYute exactly like its in my mind!!!!
djcharley77 1 year ago
The word Rapture probably is not in the bible,but it is in the bible where Jesus will return to get all the real Christians to take them back with him to heaven ! how every you may want to dicker with words, Jesus is returning to get his people. Call it a rapture, Doober Dober or whoooder what ever you want but Jesus is returning to get his people.
you can play word games of what you call Jesus returning to get his people,but he is returning to get his people !
Watch this fellower !
turtle4aire 1 year ago
The Storys the rapture & purgatory is a lie,but Let me still warn you. Jesus still coming to get all the Christians to be drawn up in the clouds to heaven by Jesus. The Rapture story is a lie but Jesus is still coming to get his people so don't think your off the hook. You get into heaven by believing Jesus died on the cross for your sins !
Iran President got out of the rapture story if he can start a world war 3 Allah will return at that time ! Iran is tring to start World War 3 right now !
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turtle4aire 1 year ago
@TheSidney1961 Hate in this context - Simply means (to love less), so yes we shold love God more than anything or anyone. It's like a child that loves his friend more than the one that gave him life.
Please don't forget God's 5th Commandment says Honor your mother and father...but the 1st says though shalt have no other God's before me.
A close relationship can be your God if we allow it.
Tikal007 1 year ago
it's true! There are going to be false prophets in the last days, and u are one of them. Thank you for letting me know the end is here.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
There is no where in Matt 24,Mark 13 or Luke 21. Where Jesus spoke of any secret rapture no where! Jesus said plainly speaking to the apostles who were a type of the church that they would be deliver you to tribulation thats Matt 24:9 the whole chapter talks of all that the church would go thru but he who endures to the end shall be saved. Yes He will come back sure thats bible but no secret...
TheDeepsea79 1 year ago
@njelboi the time has beeen shortend...so that his children have a chance against the beast...and we dont need to be raptured...because the lord is coming to earth...and stay here in the earths kingdom...
godsonn777 1 year ago
This man obviously hasn't read very much into his Bible judging from what he's talking about. The reason the Bible doesn't mention the Rapture specifically is because the term itself wasn't coined until way later. Study Thessalonians, and Revelation, and you'll see it.
Also, Christ not setting foot on the earth? False. Christ, in fact, rules over the earth for 1000 years before he must let Satan loose for a season the final time. After that is the Great White Throne Judgement.
NJelBoi 1 year ago
You say there will be no earthly kingdom of Christ. But have you ever read Zechariah
14? It says after he returns and punishes the wicked, all nations will be required
to come to Jerusalem yearly to worship the King and to keep the feast of tabernacles
and if they dont, they will be punished. Now if that kingdoms in heaven, and not here, that means people can still rebel in heaven.
italianscool 1 year ago
ppl its hard wen ppl believe different things,as long as u know the important basics,so u wont be deceived,im sure the our father will be bothered,looking at us arguing over everybodys ideas,we got other important things to worry about, like how we can teach the nonbelievers,about the truth,or what the enemys planning against gods children, we know anti-christ comes first,and yes theres gonna be very hard horrible times but jesus did it for us, we gotta be strong and take it like gods warriors..
godsonn777 1 year ago
1 Thess 4
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
In the twinkling of an eye we will be changed, from flesh to spirit beings! But look and see who gets raptured, according to the rapture theorists. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the FLOOD CAME AND TOOK THEM ALL AWAY; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be TAKEN and the other left. WICKED ARE TAKEN
RudeAwakning 1 year ago
Who cares what you don't believe. It's your lost, not the believers. After we're gone and you'll have to face the chopping blocks of (Rev 20:4) I wonder if you'll have the guts. Or will you just accept the mark in fear.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
RAPTURE: 1 Corinthians 15:52 ..in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. This is QUICK..snatched away/rapture.The 2nd coming of Jesus ....“every knee should bow...and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord” (Phil 2:10,11)! as this will take more time to bow the knee, to confess...??? THIS IS LIKE DAY AND NIGHT ... CONFIRMATION!
SoonGoingHome 1 year ago
Preacher ... if you read Rev. 4:4 ..... 24 elders ...with their ... white garments(..that's VICTORY and crowns ...(that's handed out ..) Meaning the rapture must have taken place...as they are .... on their thrones before God .... that's the rapture!
SoonGoingHome 1 year ago
Good teaching sir! Only 2 people will be raptured, after they die, in 31/2 days God will raise them from the dead, & say "come up here!" These 2 people are the two witnesses in Revelation 11. Then they will go up into the clouds before men, People will see them. It will probably be like when Moses & Elisha were taken to heaven.
RudeAwakning 1 year ago
@RudeAwakning Your discription sure doesn't match the scriptures and the twinkling of an eye. Looks like you could just be another who will know they screwed up when believers are gone, and you're not.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
idiot preacher he wont be raptured at all
receivejesusnow 1 year ago
Christ said to the Apostles," when you see a man with a pitcher of water".
I believe it is in Matthew
Rush6477 1 year ago
This guy is correct about the rapture NOT being in the bible! 1 Thess. 4:17 is about
where the dead are, NOT Christ's return!! BUT this guy is off his ROCKER if he thinks Christ is not returning to "Rule and reign for a thousand years" that IS very DEFINITELY in the bible! Check Revelation 20!!
emjee 1 year ago
@emjee exactly.
MonsterTri0 1 year ago
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You need to read your bible better. You're missing a LOT.
Musicman81Indy 1 year ago
Anyone denying the rapture of the church from the wrath to come is denying the promise of Jesus to come back and deliver us from the wrath to come. Rapturo or rapture is Latin for catching up in 1 Thes. 4:17. Rapture is in the bible, the Latin Bible. Beware saints this false teacher above is being deceived by the enemy. (2 Pet 3:3-12)
paulbortolazzo 1 year ago
@paulbortolazzo If Christ is going to "Rapture" His people away, why would we need the Gospel armour on and in place to stand against the fiery darts of Satan?
The word "Rapture" is not found ANYWHERE in the bible.
emjee 1 year ago
@emjee, The rapture comes after the Antichrist wars against the saints during the great tribulation (Mat. 24:15, 21-22, 30-31) There will be believers that get the victory over the Beast; while others will be overcome (Rev. 15:2, 13:7) And yes, emjee, the rapture is in the bible, the Latin Bible! Raptruo or rapture is Latin for caught up in 1 Thes. 4:17. Gbu Paul
paulbortolazzo 1 year ago
@emjee
lol, "gospel armour" & "fiery darts of satan"?
You are retarded.
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rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
There really is a rapture if you have correct understanding. When you see [the man bearing a pitcher of water], [The Age of Aquarius], which we enter on December 21, 2012; you will evolve in a matter of minutes inta a twelve strand DNA human, and you will be immortal. You will be able to survive the fervent heat like Shadrak, meshach, and Abendigo.
Rush6477 1 year ago
@Rush6477 and just where is "The age of aquarius" in the Bible? That is astrology and is dangerous for anyone to believe.
emjee 1 year ago
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17... its right there...
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
I would love to show you the verse :) Read Revelation :)
Damonsays2010 1 year ago
exactly there is no rapture...cause is not in the bible...and ppl satan does come first ...remember he comes in peace...as jesus...see ppl that dont read the bible...wont know this and get on their knees to worship him...and i bet ull feel so bad wen the true king of kings comes back and finds u in bed wit satan...bless gods elect...bless the world...bless u...and study and research...so u wont be draggd down to hell...
godsonn777 1 year ago
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
who cares if there is a rapture or not..as long as we are saved when Jesus comes in the end..true believers will agree with me on this..! but the gathering will come after the tribulation,,it says so in Revelation..
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
@iam7who7iam7 why? don't you believe that Jesus is God's only 'begotten' son? you should read the bible all over again.. and Jesus' name is actually Yeshua in Greek meaning 'Salvation'(if I'm correct)..and I'm pretty sure that Jesus' name is not 'Jesus' in Latin..
nickz777 1 year ago
@nickz777 Actually, "Yeshua" means "Yahveh's salvation" but you were really close.
emjee 1 year ago
@emjee Prove me wrong then what does SUS mean then since you're so smart.
iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
U are so unlearned. Pick up the Bible and see the words caught up!.You are the biggest false so called prophet i ever seen. You will see it when u get on the other side. Acts 2;38. U are working for the devil and don't even know it yet, but u will. Maybe u can't read. Caught up in the Bible is the same as rapture or snatch away etc. If u don't want to use the word rapture then caught up. I'm going so u can stay if u want to. U don't speak for me. The devil is laughing at you. Doing what he wants
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
@preachernorm here is the verse that states there will be a rapture. Genesis 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
Now Read Daniel 9:25-27 and know and understand it.
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit Read Thess 4:16 - and into Chapter 5 where is says they shall not escape. That's the wick who are alive at his return he will not kill the righteous with the wick for the righteous will be caught up and the wicked will not escape. 2 Thess says the same Concerning our gathering together unto the Lord, the wicked will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming. Same as 1 Thess 4:16 - ch 5. Also read 2 Thess 1 where it says the Lord shall come with firery vengance.
Tikal007 1 year ago
I'm afraid that's not good enough. I am a member of the church of Christ now, but I used to belong to a Pentecostal denomination. The biblical rapture evidence is taken from 1 Thess 4:16-17. I know it's talking about the end of the world, and not the precursor to the alleged 7 year trib, but it's something you probably should have addressed, or you get people like DeeStinger1 thinking you're lost.
tgbotg 1 year ago
@tgbotg He's as lost as one shoe without the other. He just shows he don't read the Bible, or comprehends what he does read. The Rapture and the Second Coming are two seperate events. And yes the rapture is pre-trib (Rev.3:10). Here's just a few passages. RAPTURE = Jesus coming FOR His Church. (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess. 4:14-17) SECOND COMING = Jesus coming WITH His Church (Col 3:4, Zech 14:5, Jude 14, Rev 19:14) ** RAPTURE = Caught up with Him in the air (1 Thess 4:13-18 ) SECOND COMING =
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
(CONT) Jesus' feet touch earth (Zech 14:4, Rev:19:11-21) ** RAPT = Only Christians will see Him (1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52) SEC COM = Every eye will see Him (Rev.1:7) ** RAPT = Happens in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (too fast for eyes to see) (1 Cor.15:52) SEC COM = Slow coming, people will see Him come back - (Zech.12:10, Matt.24:30, Rev.1:7) ** RAPT = Can happen at any time (Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6) SEC COM = Happens at end of 7 years of Trib (Dan 9:24-27, Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8)
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
@DeeStinger1
2 Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING UNTO HIM, (rapture) 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST is at hand. (rapture) 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, except there come a falling away FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (rapture)
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
@iam7who7iam7 - I've referenced 2 Thess. Chapter 2 as the bible states about His coming and our being gathered unto him will not happen until after the son of perdition, (little horn power) is revealed or after the tribulation or after the Last/ 7thTrumpet etc. So I believe we are stating the same thing here. Correct?
When you say Tribulation period are you referring to the Daniel 9:27 from Scoffield's Bible?
Tikal007 1 year ago
@Tikal007 Man I don't even believe in this New Testament anymore. If you watch the series on my page "WHO IS YOUR SAVIOR REALLY" you will understand what I am talking about. We have been disobeying the first commandment this whole time.
iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
(CONT) (1 THESS.4:18) Wherefore comfort one another with these words. THE QUESTION ARISES WHEN THOSE WHO CLAIM TO KNOW CHRIST, DO THEY REALLY KNOW HIM? Apparently not well enough to know that He would never punish His Own with the wicked of the world. The trib is pure wrath and WE are not appointed to wrath (1Thess.5:9) but to obtain salvation(DELIVERANCE) by our Lord Jesus Christ. THE NO RAPTURE DOCTRINE IS A DOCTRINE OF DEVILS. How do we comfort one another saying we'll suffer GOD's WRATH?
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
@DeeStinger1 2 Thessalonians 1:3-Therefore, among Yahuwah's churches we boast about your PERSERVERANCE and FAITH in all the PERSECUTIONS and TRIALS you are enduring. 5All this is evidence that Yahuwah's judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of Yahuwah, for which you are SUFFERING. This is saying we have to suffer through the tribulation.
iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
@iam7who7iam7 and oh! make sure you read the 'right' bible...not the bible what your religion made..
oh..I almost forgot..! Yahuwah in one of the filipino's dialects(visayan) is 'Satan' or 'Demon'...sad isn't it..?
nickz777 1 year ago
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
@iam7who7iam7 You're going to tell ppl to "Google" it and THAT is your documentation? HA! Sorry, but I prefer to rely on things like the ancient Hebrew text, The Massorah, and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. THAT should be where you send ppl for proof, not "Google".
emjee 1 year ago
@iam7who7iam7 You're going to tell ppl to "Google" it and THAT is your documentation? HA! Sorry, but I prefer to rely on things like the ancient Hebrew text, The Massorah, and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. THAT should be where you send ppl for proof, not "Google". They translated EVERYONE's name from Greek to English, From Hebrew to Greek, from Aramaic, etc etcd. Do some HOMEWORK!!
emjee 1 year ago
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
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iam7who7iam7 1 year ago
But it IS in the Bible. The gospel is hid from you because you are lost. You can stay here and face the guilitines of (Rev.20:4). As for me, I'll be gone by then. Caught Up to meet Him in the air. You are wrong on so many levels. It's Simple. Those who talk against the rapture and don't look forward to it, won't be raptured. Had you have the Spirit dwelling in you you would know.
DeeStinger1 1 year ago
Doctrine? Just think about it rationally - it is a completely absurd idea invented by a madman.
phantomspellchecker 1 year ago
Noah- escaped judgement
The Children of Israel In Egypt- Escaped Judgment
The jew under Esther- Escaped Judgment
Isaac (when Abraham was about to kill him) -Escaped Judgment
I can go on....
Rev. 3:7 I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.
Don't believe the scaremongers, the Rapture is blatently described in 1 Thess.
Its only when you don't want to see things, that you miss them.
UberTrophy 1 year ago
@UberTrophy
I agree. Even though the Rapture word itself is not in the Bible the concept is clearly in the Bible. The Bible is in direct total contradiction with preachernorm on the rapture issue as well as several other issues.
A0n79fRtW 1 year ago
@UberTrophy out of all the examples that you gave, not one was taken out of the world. If you were to go on and one you would find the same. Those who endure to the end will be saved. When I read 1Thess 4:16-17 I don't see where this will happen b4 the tribulation. That is really what the rapture lie is, Christ's coming b4 the tribulation. I agree with you. It's only when you don't want to understand things, that you miss them.
raptureornot 1 year ago
@UberTrophy None of those examples excaped anything!
God kept them through it!
Noah was ON the earth - kept (safe) in the Ark
Jews under Esther did not escape; (power) was given for them to fight back.
Isaac was ON the alter - proteced by the (voice) of the Lord as knife was to fall.
Isreal was IN egypt as ALL of the Plagues fell even the last one that killed the first born. Christ comes all the first born again shall die. WE MUST BE 2nd born or BORN AGAIN covered by his blood. Amen!
Tikal007 1 year ago
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If you don't believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture I don't believe you will be Raptured. Just don't take the mark of the Beast but you maybe beheaded.
dunhova 1 year ago
Sid: If u don't believe & it's all foolishness y get in on convers?Do u feel overridg incessant need like phony C'n super-preachers knowg little Bible translatory study 2 convert all other "idjits" besides yourself?Who does this sound like 2 u?Road 2 Damascus=relative 4 any/all of we.Not judging u nor try'g 2 b harsh JMH take.
ballistix01 1 year ago
Sid:proper Manuscript transltn =love your father/mother just LESS than He, not actual "h8" but many wont know this cuz havent studied orig texts much like many.Only terrorist He=toward habitual scumbags/TERRORISTS.There's still time/hope yet.When u draw last gasp of air in this life we'll see how sure.
ballistix01 1 year ago
PRE-TRIB = FALSE. Mark of the Beast = 6/6/6 = 6th Seal/Trump/Vial.Satan comes as anti-Christ @ 666 CLAIMING TO BE CHRIST "come for his children" (fake rapture doctrine sets this up!). The TRUE Christ comes AFTER, @ LAST TRUMP = 7/7/7 = 7th Seal/Trump/Vial to cast this phony into "prison/gulf" & destroy his Big Gov't System. It's just THAT simple,=POST TRIB. KJV - 2 Thess 2: 1-12, Matt 24, Mark 13 ALL say POST TRIB, POST ANTI-C. Ez 13: 20 has God FORE-telling us that He h8s fly-away! cRapture LIE
ballistix01 1 year ago
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
DivineIntervention13 1 year ago
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
DivineIntervention13 1 year ago
100% true also 1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
DivineIntervention13 1 year ago
MY VIEW WHY I DO THINK THERE IS ONE
1 Corinthians 15:52 (King James Version) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. and luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
DivineIntervention13 1 year ago
The rapture is going to happen. It is true that the rapture is not explicitly stated in the bible but is implicitly described. I've done extreme study on each of the various views on the rapture and anti rapture ppl. Clearly pre-trib rapture.
MrSoulja87 1 year ago
@MrSoulja87
The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a false doctrine. It is a beautiful lie held by people who want to hear what they want to hear instead of what the bible actually reads.
BoyintheMachine 1 year ago
@BoyintheMachine The only way toi disprove the pre-trib rapture is to throw out your bible.
MrSoulja87 5 months ago
@MrSoulja87 Or to simply read John 17:15 where Christ Himself is praying to our Creator and says "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."
We aren't going anywhere. We will be here during EVERYTHING, however God Himself is going to keep all of his anointed from evil. As He says to Satan and his followers: "You shall not touch one hair on the head of mine anointed." There is no rapture, and to say so in itself is blasphemous.
TheLastAaron 1 month ago
@TheLastAaron
You mean no pre-trib rapture? or no rapture period?
Myhopeisinhim 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim No "rapture" PERIOD. And this pastor has some of it right, but a whole lot of it dead wrong. Revelations clearly states that Christ will once again set foot here on earth on the Mount Of Olives after Satan is here 5 months playing the role of Antichrist (which means "instead of Christ") and that there most certainly WILL be a Millennium age ("The Lord's Day") where those who did overcome death (that is to say Satan, who is called "death" numerous times in the Bible) will teach...
TheLastAaron 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim ...truth and reign with Christ those thousand years, preaching to the multitudes of those who did not overcome death in this Earth age (the 2nd of 3). Immediately after the Millennium age comes to an end, Satan will again be loosed for a short season, to test those newly converted ones, and those who do not overcome THIS FINAL TIME, and again follow Satan, will be cast into the lake of fire along with Satan and his followers from the first earth age. Those who overcome Satan...
TheLastAaron 1 month ago
@Myhopeisinhim .,,THIS time around, will be transformed into our immortal spiritual bodies once Christ returns, however, those who do not overcome will also be transformed into their spiritual bodies, except theirs will not yet be immortal (which means they are still liable to die, if they do not overcome Satan once he is loosed for a short season at the end of the Millennium). As it states in 2Peter, a thousand years with man is but one day with the Lord; hence why it's called "The Lord's Day".
TheLastAaron 1 month ago
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One MAJOR ERROR amongst many christians is this, the idea that Jesus Chrsit is going to "Rapture the church. He is going to gather his elect, his chossen ones. The Gospel of LUKE tells us this... [34] I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. [35] Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left."
HedeenJeff 1 year ago
Yes 2 Peter 3:12 does say that the heavens and the earth shall melt with fervent heat at the coming DAY of God. BUT 2 Peter 3:8 ALSO says BE NOT IGNORANT of this one thing, that one DAY is as a 1000 years, and a 1000 years is as a DAY. The WRATH of God BEGINS just BEFORE the 1000 year reign of Jesus here on THIS earth and then at the END of the DAY, the 1000 year reign the consumation of God's WRATH in poured out, and God creates a New heaven and a New earth.
Your brother in Jesus Christ, Mark
AMATTEROFTRUTH 1 year ago
The word Trinity doesn't seem to be used in the bible, but the word Trinity is used to describe the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Matthew 28:19
Mark 1:10-11
thawn32 2 years ago
ANNOUNCEMENT: Norm does not believe in the TRINITY - it is not mention in the Bible - the TRINITY cannot be found in the Bible. If you ever hear a preacher use the word TRINITY jump up and say "where is it?" Call Norm when they use the word TRINITY - he will come and video it!!
veritassword 2 years ago
Do you believe in shortening the sleeves on your jacket? There are tailor shops and dry cleaners all over.........
veritassword 2 years ago
He's right that theres no pre-rapture, but he's WRONG about Yeshua not coming and reigning on this earth. Revelation 21, (Zecheriah 14, Acts 11) Revelation 22- New heavends and New earth. We are not going to be in heaven.
YESHUAISMERCIFUL 2 years ago
Actually there is bible codes that predict an up coming rapture but look it up for youself, type in biblecodes
jonboy1029 2 years ago
@jonboy1029
the authenticity codes have something to think about, but the rest of the "bible code" ideas are laughable.
I only adhere to the mathmatical encoding in the texts. They don't give specific message, they just verify the author.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
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tleonard706 2 years ago
The "pre-tribulation" rapture is a lie. The "mid-tribulation" rapture is a lie as well. The "post-tribulation" rapture is wha's taught in Scripture! In 1st Thess. 4:16-18, it says we shall MEET the Lord Jesus IN THE AIR. However, we escort Him to the earth. Once you look up the word "meet" in the Strong's, you'll understand.
shaolinwarriorusa 2 years ago
I know what the Bible states I was referring to the "rapture doctrine" created by darby and a 14 yr old child marget mcdonald. I know what it states at the 7 trumpet.. and when Immanuel returns that is the only time we will be caught up..
tleonard706 2 years ago
@tleonard706
exactly. Instead of the hocus-pocus, unbiblical 2nd,3rd and 4th returns of Christ
We'll be here in the tribulation - but we will not suffer God's wrath. We will go through trials, be persecuted and (many) slain by the World system. Many will fall away (great apostacy) - but we will not fall into the judgement of God
We're here 7 years - and those who are slain will be raised up at the last trumpet - and those few who survive will then transfigure with Christ for His purpose
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
@shaolinwarriorusa
agreed.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
Revelation 7:14
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Darkfoster22 2 years ago
@Darkfoster22
We Christians who are martyred for His Name's Sake.
We don't worry about what the world can do to this body.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
The word "Christians" means nothing to me.I know win I come aross a bother in Christ or was in Christ trying to get back. Yes, your comment is right, but many Christains are not following Christ, but they follow "there" churchs. For I am apart of the church "heart", I was born of fire by the Holy Ghost and I hast seen glory from above. That Fire is pure love, and that Love does not go around, making comment like I see on youtube, so how can ye be in Christ if ye are abomination to the. repent!
Darkfoster22 2 years ago
Your first 3 sentences were legible... lol, but the last.... (2? -ish) sentences kind of trailed off.. lol But I understand what you mean. I think. I left the major organized "assemblies" but I never abstained from gathering with other saints. I felt sick whenever I had not reached out to others who shared the same desire to know God.
I am curious who is the abomination that you speak of ?
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
Any one that points and call other people names, hate others eta... What people do to other you also do it to the Lord, each time you judge a person you Judge the Lord... Judge not and be not Judge.
Read Matthew 25:35-40
Now look at the comments of so called Christians that loved God but they slap his self each day and pass him by... Don't lie to your selfs...
Darkfoster22 2 years ago
Did you think that I was implying that you are not a Christian...
when I wrote "we christians" ... ? I hope not. That would mean that you are awfully sensitive and quick to assume that I was making a judgement. In reality, I was making a statement. And I don't really care what the Seculorum calls themselves. I'm expecting them to try and pollute the word, "Christian." But at the same time, Paul considered the word to a high praise.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
And as for 'judgement' being a 4-letter word (politcally incorrect) and scriptually MISUNDERSTOOD..... If I see you and see the fruits of the Spirit in you - then I judge that you have The Father. That is a righteous judgement - and a judgement that I gladly receive If I see you and don't see God in you, then I don't worry about you. God will judge you But if you are True Christian, then by all means, we can judge each other for the sole purpose of edification. Thats biblical
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
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Jeff92969 2 years ago
The rapture is just another false doctrine being taught by false teachers...What is described in Revelation 1: 7 does not fit the description of a rapture
hegler2 2 years ago
The word "rapture" isn't in the Bible, but it will happen according to Matt. 24, I Thess. 4:16-18, and in Rev. Believe the Bible instead of this deceived man!
shaolinwarriorusa 2 years ago
thats not true it plainly states in the bible that jesus will RETURN not that that we will be taken away! where does it say that we will be taken away and i might change my mind but infact this preacher is correct there is no "Rapture" i dont know who invented this theory?
yourboyken 2 years ago
First Thessolonians 4:13-18!
shaolinwarriorusa 2 years ago
@shaolinwarriorusa
I read it, I do not see your point. It speaks of Jesus coming back in His second coming. Rapture is not used in these verses. Do not be misled.Satan counts on this to happen. For faith will falter when this pre-rapture does NOT take place. Will your faith carry you through the tribulation when you feel God has abandoned those who felt they should be saved? Be warned . Satan will prey on the weak at this time.
Blytzor 2 years ago
@Blytzor
and there will be a great falling away.
The "magical escape wormhole" doctrine being pushed ... sets this up in the hearts of the gullible.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
@shaolinwarriorusa the bible doesnt mention the rapture, and nobody can show that it is.
yourboyken 2 years ago
@yourboyken
it depends are how you interpret the context and phrase of "harpazo" in 2 Thess.4:17
I personally think that we will be here for the entire tribulation. Most of the religious folk will fall away into apostacy and disbelief. And the rest will largely be slain and persecuted by the Anti-Christ. But those who endure to the end will be given new positions and new bodies.
No flesh will enter the Kingdom of God.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
@KeyboardPacifist I agree with you
yourboyken 2 years ago
@shaolinwarriorusa
Does not talk about a secret pre-2nd coming.
Christ returns once and the Earth will be judged with fire and reborn for a new purpose.
KeyboardPacifist 2 years ago
Thats right there is no rapture. mattew ch 24:29-31 say Jesus is coming in the clouds after tribulation not before. But the part he said about the heat now thats true but its after 1000 year reign in heaven with Jesus revelation ch 20 notice we will be reigning with Jesus and not Jesus with us. We will go into heaven to the new jerusalem then after the thousand years the wicked will be reserected and they will suround the new jerusalem and fire will come down and consume them. After we land on e
hardrockhouse 2 years ago
I'm always concerned for these types who proclaim bold statements like
"Thats not in the bible"
I honestly believe that this man is being genuine and wants to help ppl with his bible Q n As...
However he makes some serious statements that are directly in opposition to the Word of God.
If you don't know or understand verses that are talkin abo rapture, 1000yr reign, Jesus setttin foot on earth, then remain in ur igrnoance. However to come out n say "Its not there" is far from the truth
trinislobo 2 years ago
Well most church of christ teachings believe that the book of revelation has already happened. they believe that the 1000 year milinium reign started at the cross.. The word rapture isnt in the english version of the bible, but it is in the latin. weather you want to use, the word (rapture) or the (snatching away of the church) or the (great caught up) it doesnt matter, there speaking all about 1 thesselonians 4:16-17, one word that describes a event that will one day take place God Bless
Acerrak 2 years ago
Well 1. book of rev hasnt 'already happened'. 2. the 1000yr reign has not happened... and it is literal reign on earth, as long as u study the old test prophecies about it. I kno the exact word 'rapture' isnt in the bible, the same way the exact word 'trinity' is not in the bible, but they are terms with biblical foundations. The church in these last days is pretty messed up theologically... its all part of the 'doctrines of devils' the bible prophesied about. Beware.
trinislobo 2 years ago
o i agree with you,
Acerrak 2 years ago
@trinislobo
he trying to help people that it good but he do make some assumption which are opposite to God's word i've read that there will be a 1000 after christ return where he teaches to all people in the book of Ezekiel but that i guess in that 1000 he might just there listening i guess
iyumiblue 2 years ago
The false rapture lie is going to get a lot of people killed and snatched up by Satan.
Stewarts16 2 years ago
I've recently come to suspect that h'Satawn is glorifying in our division of doctrines....
and perhaps he's preparing a mass murder of saints that the world can call "the rapture" - so that many will lose heart. It would happen in a way that would not encourage be