Church of Christ - Saved Like The Thief On The Cross pt. 2

[JMWeddings]

So you see Norm, there you go from having two thieves mocking Him, to one of them rebuking the other, believing and being saved. Does this robber sound like one that had previously repented and had been baptized by John or one of his disciples? That's not likely is it? Of course you have been corrected about this before and the Scriptures I posted were either removed or were never posted because they revealed your error. So how do you respond to this, IF Biblical truth is your motivation?

[skibowine]

The Gospel of Assumption does not Exist !!! please stick with the Gospel of Christ .. God is not the author of Confusion.

[JesusIsMyHelp]

PreacherNorm, you've done an absolutely EXCELLENT job again with this explanation! I'm learing so much from your ministry!!

May God continue to bless you!

[themistoklisp]

Did Jesus get circumcised to show us that we should do it? Mark 16:16 does NOT mention water.

One Faith, One Lord, One Baptism. The Baptism of Christ (in the Holy Spirit) not of John (in water). Water baptism profits nothing it is not part of the Gospel, as Paul clearly said.

[themistoklisp]

Did Jesus get circumcised to show us that we should do it? Mark 16:16 does NOT mention water.

One Faith, One Lord, One Baptism. The Baptism of Christ (in the Holy Spirit) not of John (in water). Water baptism profits nothing it is not part of the Gospel, as Paul clearly said.

[chrismichael1]

So what is MK 16:16 talking about?

[rebeltrooperhalla16]

Well the translators of the NKJV and NIV and a few others were Trinitarian who knew other groups Doctrines about that so it wouldn't amaze me one bit if they TWEAKED some of the verses to go along with their doctrine.

[wilby1414]

When Jesus was on the cross he said, "It is finished" then he gave up the ghost. At the same instant a lightning bolt hit the vail of the Holy of Holys where the Spirit of God dwealt -- man is now the temple of the Holy Ghost. What was finished? -- the old testement salvation was finished and a new age began. The thief on the cross was in the old testemant and circumcision was the law. The thief was circumcized and asking Christ for forgiveness was better then the day of atonement.

[biblos07]

We are not a Catholic, nor a Protestant, nor a Pentecostals, nor a Baptist built by men.."We are just a Christians" nothing more & nothing else..Excellent Bible Exposition. Just continue to expose the WORD OF GOD brother. We will constantly pray for you here in the Middle East. God Bless..

[SKYSPLASH]

YOU DONT NEED FOOLISH SPECULATION HERE. The thief became a believer on the cross and he died before Christ did. If Baptism was Essential For Salvation Jesus would of said this day you will be with me in Heaven as soon as you have a water baptism.

So just do as the Jehovah witness 's or better yet the Catholics and add to Gods Grace.

Surely you can boast that Baptism is Essential for Salvation you have done something great.

I have nothing to boast in except Gods Grace.

[PreacherNorm]

If the thief "became a believer on the cross," as you say, then when did he learn about the kingdom? Why would he have thought that a man dying on a cross would be coming into said kingdom? Why would he think that a dying man would be able to remember him for anything? If he "became a believer on the cross" when did he hear the preaching of the gospel from which faith comes (Rom. 10:17)?

[SKYSPLASH]

John 6

28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?" 29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

NOTICE VERSE 29 THE THIEF BELIEVD THIS.

NOTICE BAPTISM IS NOT INCLUCED WITH THIS STATEMENT.

And Even are faith and Revelation of Jesus is ALL by Gods Grace. Is He not the Author and Finisher of our Faith . Hebrews 12

[PreacherNorm]

What a foolish thing it would be for me to boast of doing something great when all I have done is obey what God commanded. Would you boast of your faith, if you had true biblical faith? Its strange that people always want to call baptism a work and, therefore, not essential for salvation, when baptism is never referred to as a work in the Bible. Faith, on the other hand, is referred to as a work (Jn. 6:28, 29).

[SKYSPLASH]

obeying a command because your are a spirit filled born again believer is Good. Obeying a command because you think it imputes righteousness to you in addition to Gods Grace is Trampling the Blood of the New Covenant underfoot.

Baptism is not a Sacrament Necessary for salvation as you and the catholic church would have it. Its an outward sign a fruit.

And Faith is a Fruit of Gods Grace notice Grace is First. All goes back to Jesus he is are all in all.

[SKYSPLASH]

But in the End you will say to Jesus we saved many through Baptism in your Name Preaching Baptism is Essential For Salvation, We cast out Demons in your Name, We Tithed we obeyed the Sabbath, We Gave money to loose souls from Purgatory. We taught People to Speak in Tongues. We healed many.

And What will Jesus say Matthew 7

23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

[CBALLEN]

Preacher Norm,I have given Biblical proof for my position on baptism not being essential to salvation,I hope the C.O.C will also see the truth of my findings and change their position on this matter,not conceding this point will be dishonest.God Bless

[CBALLEN]

Your doubts vs. biblical evidence, hmm? I think I'll stick with biblical evidence.

The Bible is silent about the thief being baptized.Both thieves according to Mark 15:32 REVILED Jesus,if he reviled him do you really believe he would already have been baptized as a believer in Jesus? We can only be saved when God calls,so on the cross he must have been called.

[PreacherNorm]

2 Th. 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SKYSPLASH]

If Baptism by water is for the Remission of sins what do you do with Romans 5 7-9

Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. 8But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!

[PreacherNorm]

"what do you do with Romans 5 7-9"

Praise God for his wonderful grace and do what he said to contact the blood of Christ for the remission of my sins (Rom. 6:3, 4; Gal. 3:26, 27; Acts 22:16 with Rev. 1:5).

[CBALLEN]

The curtain in the holy of holies was torn from top to bottom at Jesus' death during the earthquake.The thief initially reviled Jesus mark 15:32,so I doubt he was baptized.

[PreacherNorm]

Your doubts vs. biblical evidence, hmm? I think I'll stick with biblical evidence.