ACTION ALERT: Tell the EPA that CO2 affects our future

[MissingGWdotcom]

We are seeing the beginning of the end of current man made global warming craze in just the same way we seen the early 1980s global cooling craze end. What ends it is the temperature goes in the other direction and the models are proved wrong.

When I was a kid they scared us with global cooling and a certain ice age that the models all showed was coming. But this ended when the temperature started to rise and we found out the models did not even include the ocean current data.

[MissingGWdotcom]

Since 1998 the temp has been cooling and today we are in a low of sun spots and oceans temp. Expect this cooling trend to continue for several years killing the current man made global warming craze. Exposing and proving the models wrong again. These leaked emails are just the beginning of the end, again.

There is no direct proof a few 100 ppm CO2 increase has any effect on temp because in the lab it has no effect on temp, none! So they use these models to predict an amplifying affect.

[MissingGWdotcom]

There is no proof a 100ppm has any effect on temp but here is how the argument goes. An increase of 100 ppm CO2 has no effect on temperature in the lab, none! You need to increase CO2 to about 200,000 ppm to see a 3 degree C change. Warming nuts say, well the lab is not fair because CO2 is 50,000 feet of atmosphere. So there are some theories based on an idea of reflective layers in atmosphere that try to prove a 100ppm increase in CO2 increase....

[MissingGWdotcom]

..temperature a few tenths of one degree F because of layers, but this cannot be proven.

Now lets say this is true but a few tenths of one degree F by man but this is not a significant increase so then the global warming nuts say well CO2 also has an AMPLIFYING effect and then they relay on grossly positive loopback bias models that of course they are going to show an amplifying effect as that is what happens when you build models that dont consider negative loopbacks that keeps temp down.

[doesitmatter2you]

With capitalism as our economic system our environment will always be second to profits. Look what we have already started cause oil, coal, timber, paper, mining, farming companies and people want their profits. Look at coal companies, they actually moved to strip-mining, literally blowing up amountain, all for their profits. People work for them they want their money.

We need to change our core values towards people and working ecosystems rather than 5 million dollar houses and lattes.

[nourbutwatmi]

doesitmatter: Yeah, all those CEO's and greedy investors driving around in gas guzzling SUV's. It makes me sick how they totally disregard "Global Warming." We need to band together and put a stop to this madness before our planet is turned into an over sized piece of charcoal. I suggest we move into caves, like our forefathers, and live off the land. No more mortgage payments, utility bills, car loans, grocery expenses, etc. By the way, you go first and let me know how well it works.

[nourbutwatmi]

Nothing that our money can buy is going to change whether the planet warms or cools. We are only a piece of the puzzle, a puzzle where the other pieces aren't concerned with zealots and global warming. That said, it's a shame there are so many gullible people who can be lead around like mindless sheep. Now sheep if you want to buy into this game of "Red Card" be my guest, but don't expect the rest of us to play along. So send in your money and leave mine alone.

[nourbutwatmi]

Yep, another crusade by the "Planet is Warming" zealots. Now it's "let's regulate the world's temperate." How will they do that...by taxing the supposed causes of green house gases...and those causes are: cows, sea weed, people, etc...who pays, of course the people. Hmm, and how would that keep the planet from warming...it won't...but it will permit the government to extract more of your hard earned money and waste it on bogus programs such as the EPA, Car Check, etc.

[got2xlr8]

The answer is: it doesn't.

[SoapboxDave]

Smoke Stacks:

Smokestacks release the byproducts of combustion into the air. The gases emitted through smokestacks largely consist of carbon dioxide and water vapor, though some nitrogen and oxygen are typically present, along with a number of pollutants.

Not just steam!

[SoapboxDave]

The tailpipe of a car:

3. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles expel ONLY H2O mostly in the form of steam. Not fossil fuel based vehicles.

[SoapboxDave]

Tailpipes:

2. Each of us is emitting 20.15 metric tons of carbon dioxide a year, according to 2005 Department of Energy statistics. Transportation—think planes, trains, automobiles and the like—accounted for about one-third of that per capita total. The average passenger vehicle alone is responsible for 5.2 metric tons of carbon dioxide emissions a year, according to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). This information comes is done by real scientists not random people.

[SoapboxDave]

Ok...normally I don't respond to these kinds of comments, but this is a case of facts not being used and disinformation being used.

The tailpipe of a car:

1. CO2 is invisible! Yes steam is coming out, unless your car is burning too much oil then you add many other carcinogens to the air.

next post for #2 and 3 for tailpipes

[LindaJoyceBarker]

Steam is coming out of the tail pipe and the so called smoke stack. Plants and trees would die without CO2. We should feed Green Peace idiots to the poor starving polar bears. That would fix all the intergovernmental problems.

[LindaJoyceBarker]

What you see coming out of the exhaust pipe is steam. What you see coming out of the "smoke stack" is steam. So it's not a smoke stack is it? plants and trees would die without CO2. You people are so stupid! A male polar Bear can swim 25 miles in hunt for food and a female. Alaska is actually the only state that is growing and that is because the ice is growing. You dumb asses! I think we should feed green peace idiots to the polar bears.

[SoapboxDave]

Make sure to submit comments to the EPA and let them know they should regulate greenhouse gases as pollution.