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  • It aboslutely sickens me to see these rock groups lead these "megga" churches when you have buetiful decorted cathedrals like Ouen that sit there with great pipe organs. And Ouen to me has the greatest in the world. It absolutely sickens me. I couldn't imagine how this organ led a congregation. I just don't get the world now days. You have the king of instruments dieing and you bring in crappy pop music. It is pathetic.

  • @notredameswarrior1 well said my friend. i am an organist myself.

  • Is this still a church? i've heard that it's now a big concert hall now.

  • @railfanatic844 no it got Decorted in 1993 if I remember right.

  • Remember the Wanamaker organ has strong French roots. When Rodman Wanamaker expanded the instrument from the original design of George Ashdown Audsley (a genius in his own right) he hired Marcel Dupre as designer. When he asked Wanamaker about the budget, the answer was "No limit, Dupre!" In the world of pipe organs you can count on one hand the number of times that has happened (and probably have some fingers left over).

  • I don't think it will be very easy to sample this one, since I heard it's rather noisy around the church, also at night! But who knows, would be great to have this one available.

  • What a thrilling performance! This is surely what Gigout had in mind for tempo...it's truly GRAND! Too many players play so fast that the majesty is lost.

    Thanks for posting...but WHO IS THE ORGANIST???? He/she deserves credit!!

  • I seem to remember reading that the abbey and organ are in need of funds to provide proper maintenance and upkeep. With the current bad economies in Europe, I'm afraid that this beautiful place will deteriorate to the point that it may get to a point of ruin. I hope I'm wrong, but I am worried.

  • the versatility of this truely majestic organ is amazing

  • Perfection!

  • Cavaille Coll's reeds are the most majestic of all - instantly recognisable.

    The tempo is perfect, and the registration is as good as it gets.

  • Hello, This is a question from someone who loves this piece but knows nothing about music... hopefully you can help me. What "tempo" is this played in? I'm asking for it to be played at Church, but don't want it performed faster than this (as I've heard in other YT videos). Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

  • This is truely the greatest instrument on earth. There is nothing better than a pure Cavaille Coll. Out does any other organ anyday of the week. It has such a buetiful sound that gives me goosebumbs everytime. Truely Gods voice coming through these pipes.

  • @notredameswarrior1 I could not agree with you more. The sheer beauty of it brings me to tears. There are many, many instruments three, four times the size of this, but can't hold a candle to it in any possible way. This organ is the closest thing to perfection on earth. My favourite organ in the world. Pure glory.

  • @originaltommy agreed! this guy has bin going around saying that this organ doesnt have a true bass??? idk what he is smoking. he says wanamaker organ is better than this? this organ out does wanamaker anyday and it has atleast 22,000 less pipes i think. 

  • @notredameswarrior1 what a bunch of crap. The Wanamaker organ is famous because of its size, not because it's a particularly good instrument. Do you even think you could play a Bach Trio Sonata on it and make it sound good? Rubbish! It's a monstrosity and evidence of typical American excess. This instrument, which Widor stated to be worthy of Michelangelo, is true art. It's inspired art at that as well. As for it not having a true bass? Um, someone needs to get their ears checked! HAHA!

  • @originaltommy lol i know man. his comment is down there. i think its halarious. and your right. the wanamaker organ is only famous for its size.

  • @originaltommy I am personally a huge fan of both instruments. But i think that these instruments really can't be compared, Wanamker's is intended to be an orchestral organ, best for transcriptions and things of that nature; whereas the St. Ouen instrument is made for traditional organ repertoire. Wanamakers could outdo Ouen any day in symphonic transcriptions, but Ouen walks all over Wanamakers in stanard repertoire such as this. Just thought i'd mention my two cents...

  • @originaltommy - shows what you know! The Wanamaker organ is right up there with S.Ouen, S.Sulpice and the Willis at St Paul's as one of the world's greatest organs. Yes, it's pointlessly enormous, but what matters is that it's got proper choruses of every type and every single rank is exquisitely voiced.

  • @TheMysticalOrgan Now, now, let's all settle down and play nice, most of us here are likely organists, and it's for sure that we all have strong preferences of our own. I will be mindful to choose my words a little more carefully in the future. I have never heard or played Wanamaker's LIVE, but anything I've ever heard of it is just so syrupy. I don't disagree though it's a quality instrument, but perhaps too much of a good thing. At any rate, TMO, I've subscribed, LOVE Tournemire! The Master!

  • @originaltommy - Hi! Thanks for subscribing. I think that the problem with the Wanamaker organ is, to use a motoring metaphor, the nut holding the wheel... too many people seem to really overdo the registrations there, piling on literally dozens of strings, celestes and so on. Of course, there are celestes of every type too, from the softest to the keenest of strings, various flutes, Gemshorns etc. It seems some people can't resist using the lot simultaneously - with tremulants!

  • @notredameswarrior1 - to be fair, S.Ouen relies entirely on reeds for sheer power, particularly on the Pedal department. An Anglo-American organ tends to have far more - for example S.Ouen has two modest 16ft Pedal flues, whereas a Skinner, Willis or Harrison in the same building would likely have six, with S.Ouen's two being the smallest... stupendous as the S.Ouen C-C is, you couldn't play Howells or Elgar on it, you do need more 16ft and 32ft flue power.

  • @TheMysticalOrgan Agreed. Sure would be fun to try though! Howells at St. Ouen....hmmm....*chuckle*

  • @notredameswarrior1 What is it like to have "Goosebumbs" ? :-)

  • I love this piece but not true bass from this organ. My Fisher speakers growl and the Wanamaker makes them rumble like a thunder storm.

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  • Holy lord it is almost frightening ... one of the most impressive organs I ever heard ;-)

  • What a tremendous sound! This has got to be one of the finest instruments in the world.

  • Cavaillé-Coll built several organs with Trompette en chamade and all blend nicely with the full organ. The concept of the "Bishop Blaster" trumpets is a modern idea.

  • magnífico!!!

  • Aristide Cavaille Coll for ever!

    He was the greatest and the best builder of organs.

  • Great performance, "slower" tempo called for in such large space, only gripe is that at 6:14 more emphasis placed on triplets

  • SOFT CHAMADE AND CONTRE BOMBARDE. I MOST LIKE AT THIS ORGAN

  • I wish I could play like that!!

  • triumphant, noble,

    radiant, intuitive,

    a splendid majesty,

    unsurpassed textures,

    a marvel & a glory,

    St. Ouen and Cavaille-Coll!

    **********

    Glenn

  • A most thrilling and grandiose performance!! Excellent!! Thanks you :)

  • Hauptwerk should sample THIS organ and building before it is too late. I think this is the BEST of C.C.'s organs, bar none.

  • @tenney1119 DITTO!!! Could you imagine?!! But I'd take the full sample of L'église de la Madeleine just as well!

  • @tenney1119 YES Hauptwerk MUST do this !!

  • @tenney1119 - before it is too late? What do you mean?

  • @tenney1119  totaly agree this is the best organ in the world

  • Great interpretation.

  • this is the first time i heard this. really nice piece of music. glad to here on one of the worlds or the worlds finest organ.

  • I want this recording! Anyone know who the organist is? This and one by E. Power Biggs and the Columbia Brass are the only interpretations I need,,,

  • @1963mathetes I believe this is Gerard Brooks.

  • I want this recording! Anyone know who the organist is?

  • That´s is Contra-Bombarde 32´ in pedal ?

  • Bravo Coloo ! :DDD <3

    Chiara, Dorno 1 :)

  • Fantastic registrations and performance. Yes, the into sounds like Anches de Recit.

    Why are people discussing the Notre Dame organ here? This is a St. Ouen organ performance.

    Just leave the damn instruments alone. Every time you touch them , you alter them forever. What's done is done.

  • One person is crazy!!! :p

  • How could anyone not love this piece? There is so much power, honor, dignity, and thrill behind it. You can really tell when the Organist is having fun :)

  • Ook Eugene Gigout was een der grootheden uit de Franse Romantiek.

    Samen met Charles Marie Widor en Alexandre Guilmant vormde hij een driemanschap. Grote klasse, enorme muzikaliteit en spiritualiteit stonden bij deze onvergetelijke componisten zeer hoog in het vaandel.

    Wij plukken nu de vruchten van hun fantastische arbeid, ten zeerste ondersteund door de prachtige en mooiste orgels ter wereld van Aristide Cavaille Coll.

  • One of the many things I like about youtube is the ability to compare and contrast the same piece, played on different instruments by different organists, and come up with my personal favorites. I learned very quickly that THIS organ has to be the pinnacle of French organ building, in my opinion. It has a very wide range of expression, without becoming muddy and indistinct at the low frequencies. It is such a joy to listen to. Thank you very much for posting all you do. Tenney

  • Eugene Gigout behoorde tot een driemanschap met Charles Marie Widor en Alexandre Guilmant.

    Wat een gigantische muzikale klasse bijeen in hun tijd!

    De mensen die in hun tijd leefden moeten hun optredens in de prachtige kathedralen van Parijs met de machtige Cavaille Coll orgels als iets heel bijzonders hebben ervaren. Een geschenk als het ware door GOD gegeven!

    Maar ook wij zijn bevoorrecht om hun muziek te mogen en kunnen horen uitgevoerd oor uitmuntende organisten.

  • Unbelievable. Could this have been playedbetter on this organ, in this wonderful building? I'm sure not. I can only hope that Gigout was somehow able to hear his work played thus on this organ. I believe he'd have been very proud. Thanks for sharing this wonderful video, thanks to the organ builder and those who have maintained it, thanks to Mr. Gigout.

  • Really stunning interpretation!! Who's the organist???

  • Wonderful! Who is the organist in this recording?

  • @lorganiste Gerard Brooks

  • Perfect! tempo and everything!

  • I agree Petteacher with the tempo he has chosen. I can actually hear the notes in-stead-of mush. Thanks!! well done !!! Bill in USA

  • WOW!

  • What a pleasure to listen to organists who do not fall into the "speed is skill" trap! This fine organ reminds me of its English equivalent at Truro cathedral; the organ of Truro being arguably the best by Willis, and that of St Ouen equally arguably the best of Cavaille-Coll. Both are relatively modest in size, pretty well unmolested from their original and absolutely perfectly suited to the acoustics of their "homes".

  • @peteacher52 - hmm, Truro the best Willis? I grew up with a Willis almost identical to Truro's (take away the 32' and the Solo organ and you've got the Willis I knew), but from what I've heard of Truro, it's got the same faults as 'my' Willis (enormous pedal reed, no use except over full organ). Lincoln is better IMO - and I think Salisbury is probably better too. Truro isn't entirely unmolested, either - the action has been changed, the Tuba has been moved and the original console discarded.

  • @peteacher52 It'st that the truth!? This is absolutely the finest interpretation I have heard of this piece. Lots of excellent phrasing, and the tempo is just perfect!

  • abbaye de Saint Ouen à Rouen capitale de la Normandie

  • The best Contrebombarde 32´ I´ve ever heard!!!

  • Now that's more like it. Such a beautiful stately tempo and grand interpretation which really makes this piece come alive. Makes for an excellent processional. All too often I hear performers rush though this work without letting it "breathe" properly.

    ...and as to that Contrebombarde, played this on my surround system. What an experience.

    St Ouen is definitely one of the stops (hopefully when there is a recital) on my planned swing through Europe. I have to hear this instrument live.

  • @kyotokid4 They used to hold recitals at St Ouen each September. I guess if you google it you may find further info for this year.

  • YES! HUGE BOMBARD! Fantastic performance! Tempo is just right.

  • Bravo! This is the best performance of the Grand Choeur I've heard. Put an awesome instrument such as the St. Quen organ in the hands of an equally awesome organist and results like this video is what you get.

  • it's a miracle this Organ and the abby it's housed in, wasn't damaged or destroyed during WW2. It's as if God reached his hands out, and spared this mighty beast of an instrument.

  • This is probably the finest organ Cavaille Coll ever built in my opinion. It was built at the height of his career in 1890 and incorporates every one of his design ideas. The Contre Bombarde on this organ is one of the loudest and most thunderous ever designed for any organ.

  • Impressive. At least seven, eights seconds reverberation. And that 32' stop is unparalleled in the organ world.

  • Stunning!

  • Oh man, ive just heard this piece with my headphones and almost blew the speakers when the contrebombarde sounds. Very intense sound i must say...

  • Cette fameuse Contre-bombarde 32' rugit comme la voix de la Bête de lApocalypse! Elle dévore tout!!

  • Ce n'est pas vraiment la sonorité Cavaillé. Les CD sont enregistrés de trop près et cela favorise la compréhension du texte musical au détriment de l'esthétique sonore. A St Ouen la nef est si longue que la résonance est très forte. On n'entend pas le brillant des mixtures aussi fort ni le grain des chamades, mais plus le velouté des fonds et la puissance des bombardes 16 et 32.

    La réalité Cavaillé Coll est moins claire mais combien plus mystérieuse et émouvante.

  • Holy crap! huge bombard!!!

  • ooh!  This is definitely promising!

  • Awesome!!

  • Impressive rendition. Cavaillé Coll at his best conception of majestic sound.

  • Beautiful Cavaille-Coll sound.

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  • I would never *contre* Bombarde on anything:) Thanks for posting a magnificent piece on a grand organ in a beautiful building. It sits in my favourites now!

  • Bombarde, you have the *best* stuff, I swear. Thanks for posting!

    I think this is an appropriate tempo, especially when you have that this acoustic (and that pedal reed chorus...). Gigout is best taken a little slowly, methinks.

  • Yes I definetly second Arky83Mi: THAT IS the greatest 32' Contrebombarde on Earth !!!!!!!!

  • @jmeister321684 amen to that !!

  • I also like the 'stately' tempo. Don't like the new and revised Notre Dame chamades, these sound just fine.

  • @ds1868

    I agree with you.

    I believe that, in that particular instrument an cathedral , if it was played faster, it would have sounded messy (First of all because of the reverbation) and also the 32's would not have time to speak.

  • I second your contention. To be honest I don't like anything about the current organ of Notre Dame. It's all too metalic and loud, it's been derrided of it's natural, warm Cavaille-Coll sound.

  • @advisorC101 I second your seconded contention advisorC101 as my original comment seems to have 'gone missing'. The chamades sound fine here, we certainly do not wish any 'cats and dogs' screeching and howling as they do I'm afraid at NDdeP.

  • @advisorC101 EXACTLY

  • Yes, great interpretation, very clear and very thrilling sound for this magnificent instrument,

    I think Rouen chamade are a bit softly in "solo", but sound good.

  • Yes I wish the chamades had more of a bite like the Notre Dame chamades.

  • Notre Dame en chamades sound like drunken gargoyles.

    St. Ouen has magical chamades.

  • @advisorC101

    To be fair, the OLD chamades sound like drunken gargoyles. The new chamades are actually voiced like this - they're just sitting on, like, triple wind. I think if it were a home organ I'd prefer a LITTLE more bite, but not much at all.

  • @bombarde1701a no, these are perfect. CAVAILLE-COLL Chamades...NOT bastardized overly loud earbleeds. Sorry guys...Notre Dame is no longer a CC. Thats my opinion

  • @DesireeDeFete, It's hardly a matter of opinion. NDP organ is merely a shell of the instrument it once was. Again, we'll always have those ignorant modernists who must insist that now the organ is "better than ever before". I said it on another video, but I'll say it here too. There is still a CC organ inside that monstrosity, but isn't it ironic that the French "Ministry of Culture" were the ones who funded the rebuilding of the organ that Cochereau left behind? It should have been restored.

  • @advisorC101 Totally agree. But who was driving the lack of vision and clarity with the end result? I'm going to stick my kneck out and say the Titulaire's wanted a different organ, because PC had been so awesome. They wanted a break from the past, because they knew they could never emulate the genius of PC. As a result they've ended up with a mess, and consequently, like all messes, nothing.

  • @DesireeDeFete That's a contentious statement, but most likely true. Ironically, in the 1990s rebuild, they tried to 'recapture' the C-C sound, i.e. progression mixtures and Viole de gambe on the GO, deletion of the Recit mixtures, readeption of the Clarinette on the Recit etc etc. Further cock-up was addition of chamades 'a la C-C' on the GO. All a complete mess. The vitality of the PC instrument was sacrificed for a pseudo-CC, pseudo-Clicquot. Infact, a pseudo instrument full stop.

  • @bombarde1701a The chamades on this organ are the original; the Notre Dame were added by Cochereau.

  • I agree - they could do with a bit more power

  • @giovdan Listening to this again, I don't believe the chamades are being used in the solo statements. I would suggest the Recit reeds are being used. The St Ouen chamades are too 'piquant' for the sound being reproduced here.

  • @giovdan Im not sure those are the chamades, the score does not specify chamade reeds but a softer registration on the positive or recit - I think organists only started using solo reeds for those sections after the 1987 recording by John Scott at St Pauls.Im pretty sure that the organist on this recording has the chamades coupled through to the grande orgue - french chamades are voiced to be chorus reeds rather than american style solo reeds (a la AEolian Skinner)

  • @organmus1982 Yes, original score don't want chamade at start but different sound, like a "echo".

    I think chamade's use are very good alternative and, with great instruments, a powerfull idea; J.Scott is a great musician!

    French chamade made by Cavaillé-Coll are made for full sound in chorus with other stops, not for "solo", Rouen

    is one and very good sample; I think only Notre-Dame Organ have it, and sound veri good and warm in real acoustic, in records, not so mutch!

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