In thosedays ,I got invited in the dutch embassy The Netherlands ...tie...costume and everything.
The Ambassador wore nikes and sat on the ground while we had to take place on luxury sofa's...
When it came to art and so...I asked him if he knew Genesis: he said : "follow me" and in his music room we had a ball with Eleventh Earl of Mar and the whole wind and wuthering, so I trew my tie away...while the others were sitting there.We nearly missed the dinner BUT shared ART-and-Music!
woow you are lucky while in the other side of globe at mid 70 not too many knew them and share the music.. prog rock. Now my daughter listen them. I alway enjoyed this ALBUM.
Genesis never was "a popular" band.Progrock has a different audience as you said yourself. Indeed it's a good memory to see "a person with very high status" running around in his nikes and talk about the simple things of life, like we do now.
It made me realize that the higher one is in society ...the better and the more careful they are able to listen to the world.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding the argument over Hackett vs. Stuermer. In the first 60 seconds we see a guitarist that appears to be Daryl Stuermer - he stance is more upright and mobile than Hackett's. Subsequently, it is without a shadow of a doubt, Steve Hackett all the way. So 2 different performances here, at least.
Hey Gruntol, you 'ol veteran! First of all I appreciate all the comments and the time you spent on my videos. Thanks for all that. Now to address the matter- It is Stuermer in the opening live sequence, it is a show from Oakland in 1984. And yes it is Hackett the rest of the way..um..obviously - no secret there.
Hey Mr. Tommygun - thanks a million (again) for your wonderful promotion of Genesis' great music. I regard Camel (early, of course) just about on the same level as Genesis - any chance that you might get enthusiastic about them too? There's plenty already on YouTube, but if you found anything special .......
The silenece is deafening. I mean, if they don't know the difference in tone between Steve and Daryl, then I can't help them. Plus, the VARI lights are a dead give away.
You guys do realize that the footage here is put together from different sources, right? Obviously, the intro is taken from a more recent show (hence the varilights, probably from the 83/84 tour as stated below, where the intro of this song was played in the old medley) - and then the rest of the song is from an older performance (which is why we see/hear Steve).
Exactly but some people just don't listen or don't know the difference between Daryl and Steve. The rest of the video (not live) is a promo from Wind & Wuthering.
It is not! Nevermind that I can tell the difference in sound ( Hackett did the slide faster and with delay), look at the Vari lights. No such lights existed in 77.
Here's one clue. Daryl played the glisando or slide sound slower,like this. Second, they are using vari lights which weren't used until 82 on the ABACAB tour. Hackett left in 77. Nice try though....
Hi Peter, promise you that is Hackett. I have seen Hackett from no more than 15 yards on his Les Paul Gold Top hooked into a Roland guitar synth (watch him kick the pedal in on the octave drop 30 secs in) and I'll nae forget that sound.
Daryl first played with Genesis at Knebworth in '78 after Then There Were Three. Eleventh Earl was dropped from the set by then and I believe it has never appeared on a Genesis set since - there butt naked and ready to be shot down in flames...
A lot of old Genesis songs had that musical change to a different kind of musical part where you could feel "it goes right down inside of your soul" (to quote them from "Supper's Ready")... They had so much to offer. The slower musical part coincides with the lyrics because the Earl of Mar is transforming and deciding he isn't a war monger... This song could easily apply to a lone U.S. soldier in Iraq after he was in battle and fallen down a hill. Old Genesis rules!!!
I take that as a compliment considering I made this video by myself while "Video Killed the Radio Star" was produced by a hired team of trained professionals.
First Genesis show I saw was in the fall of 1978, Hackett had recently left the band, Daryl Stuermer has joined as it was the "And Then There Were Three" tour. They opened with this tune. To this day, one of the best shows I've even seen. Large pivoting mirrors above the stage with the 747 lights above (as seen around 6:16-20 on this clip. Nobody was doing that at the time except these guys. Phil's voice was so strong. Thanks for the quality post.
Wow! Hey Tommygun, does the original initial film footage extend beyond the 57 seconds that you've used at the start of this video? How about the rest of the audio from that gig?
Thank you Tommygun1028 for posting this. It's a shame that they didn't put this song on Seconds Out. It's such a brilliant prog song - and a great 70's sound on Steves guitar solo :-)
Genesis music upto the early 80's was pure quality some music critics look back and say its self indulgence and pretentious well it certainly beats some emo strumming 3 chords most of todays bands are nothing more than manufactured shite the likes of this band are true musicians although i do hope they don't release any new material.
Pretentious? Who are these critics, their opinions are worthless. It certainly wasn't pretentious for its day. Right along the lines of brilliance of their contemporaries such as Yes and Pink Floyd. (don't really care for them post Steve Hackett however)
there was no intent to deceive here, I made this music video to appear as a promotional video. With lip-synched music videos as part of the main culture now it's unbelievable that some people still can't realize that is what's being done here. Think classic VH1.
*footnote - the 'soundstage' sequences are originally lip-synced for Japanese television and not live. The only real live sequence here is the opening.
I agree Rick Wakeman could run up and down scales a lot faster than Banks; but, who cares? Banks was more about the song. He had a fair amount of classical chops. Wakeman could never match the level of complexity of "One For the Vine" for example.
Genesis, pardonnez moi, c'est tout simplement genial.
J'avais 20 ans à la fin des années 70 et cette musique n'a rien perdu de sa qualité onirique.
Longue vie à Genesis et à ses fans !
Genesis, excuse me, it's simply genial. I was 20 at the end of the 70 and this music lost nothing of its imaginary quality. Long life in Genesis and in his fans !
Even if you are not the youngest genesis fan, the true will still love your energy. I am now in my thirties, but I was 14 or 15 when I truly began to love Genesis. Granted I remember Invisible Touch, which not is my favorite musically, but as a 9 or 10 year old something, it was still better than most all of what was happening in music between 1986-7. Anyway peace. I at least hope for a new live album from the 1970-1975 line up. In any event we'll always have the "lamb".
True, CC27Miller. Genesis music seemed to change with the times - In 86, I was 17 and didn't completely hate "Invisible Touch" but I knew it wasn't what I was growing up with. Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Mike & the Mechanics and Phil's solo stuff ruled the media in 1985 - 1987. Having said that, they were able to control anything they touched. Not too many bands/former and current members of a band can state that. They did what they needed to do to survive - WTG guys.
I was lucky enough to see The Lamb in San Diego, which was unquestionably the best concert I have ever seen. Also went to the Trick of The Tail gig at the Starlight Amphitheater in Burbank with Bruford backing up Phil on drums, which rocked. I kept going to shows up through We Can't Dance, then quit, although I even liked parts of Calling All Stations. Nowadays, it's mostly Porcupine Tree and Flower Kings for me.
While Gabriel and Hackett certainly did have a presence in this band when Rutherford and Banks took the lead with Abacab and Duke the new sound was quite good, albeit quite a bit less technical. One of the issues was that they could not find a drummer for a long time that could play songs like Dance on a Volcano suitably. Chester did not come along until after they had fired Bill Bruford twice.
The fact (& sad truth) is that the live intro isn't even Hackett playing - it's from the "And Then There Were Three" tour. It's Daryl Strummer (who can't compare with Hackett) Genesis hasn't done anything really worth a darn in over 25 years (just bits and pieces). I gave up a long time ago...
The best Genesis Songs for me 1. Supper's Ready 2. Carpet Crawlers 3. Vision of Angels 4. Entangled 5. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight 6. Unquiet Slumbers for the Sleepers - In That Quiet earth 7. The Knife 8. Your own special way 9. The fountain of Salamacis 10. Firth of Fith
Hackett left shortly after W&W...the title of their next Lp said it all.."..And Then There Were Three." Hackett and Gabriel SHOULDA STUCK AROUND!! Michael Boyce
when hackett left, genesis died. trick and w&w were good albums, although i missed gabriel, but after those collins took over and genesis became a middle-of-the-road popband. what a waste!
Sure they slowed down on some of their creative, odd time signatures, and extremely complex chord changes. But their song writing abilities never went away they where just getting tired of the stuff they were doing. If you listen close you can still hear the progressive feel and the astonishing abilities shinning through in the latter albums.
It wasn't all Collins that made the shift in direction either, it was everyone including Daryl and Chester. But most of all Time.
I respectfully disagree. I didn't see it as a matter of "time" or "getting tired of the stuff they were doing." In the early '80s Genesis made an obvious, calculated decision to start writing simpler, more commercial songs for the unsophisticated masses. This was around the time Phil was doing drivel like "Easy Lover" with Philip Bailey, "Against All Odds," "You Can't Hurry Love," etc. The disappointing shift in Genesis' direction reflected Phil's increasing influence and was, IMHO, a shame.
Considering what a lot of prog musicians morphed into in the 1980s, I'd say that Genesis come out of it slightly better than most, at least in the first half of the decade. Up to Genesis (1983) they managed to still produce some great stuff while other artists like Mike Oldfield and Yes turned into tacky cabaret acts
I agree with you. I remember thinking, Phil is using Genesis as his backup band, it was totally his style taking over a great group. But also I don't think that w/Peter Gabriel would have been much different, since He also went comercial with that album: SO. There were the 80's: Reagan, comercialism, Gordon Gekko delivering his unfamous quote, "GREED IS GOOD", "GREED WORKS"...now go figure what was happening in the Music Industry at that time....
It's from a live performance in Oakland in 1984 and that's the only part of the song they did live, that's why that's all I used. It was part of a medley. I don't have the rest of the show.
yep, that's it but it's the only visual of the intro so I chose to use it instead of just making an entire studio promo. Maybe that's what I should've done
Wow, nice live piece for the intro. I had a tape once with all in a mouse's night from this tour. Awesome live! I think they really screwed up the mix on Seconds out and basically down played Steve Hacket's awesome guitar work. They did get it right on the Archives volume I live Lamb though. W & W definitely the last "great" genessis album. After that moments of greatness but nothing like before! This song still gives me chills thirty years after I first heard it!!
I'm glad you enjoy this footage of 11th Earl of Mar that never existed before. Shame some people can't enjoy something that they never knew existed before. That's the internet culture for some people, they see things they never saw before and still complain - a disgrace. To answer your question that beginning of the song is the ONLY live footage of 11th Earl in existence.
Thanks Tommygun, don't get me wrong, I think it's incredible to see this amazing footage.. thanks again for posting..an absolute gem shared with everyone.
I keep going back to early genisis for a lift and seeing tommygun is like coming back to see an old friend, thank you for your contributions over time my friend.
EXACTLY. Without Tony, there is no such thing as Genesis. (Or Mike, for that matter, but the way I see it, the brains of the band is Tony) I remember shouting Tony's name at the beginning and end of the Genesis a couple of months ago. He's my favorite keyboardist ever. (Besides Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson, but IMO Tony is underrated and is #1)
But from what i've read, having Hackett around was (in around '71 or so) like Tony had finally found a 'sympathetic soul'(my own words). Not Banks' words, but Steve definatly was an ally in Tony's visions of grandeur.
I never saw the Gabriel nor Hackett era Genesis but for sure it was the best period for Genesis. They really went down hill after Hackett left and had a short revival period during the Duke tour. The last tour was nice but just too impersonal and mechanical to my taste..I would rather see them in smaller venues then these large stadiums which are totally impersonal. best
A pity that that whoever placed this video did not specify where the live show was filmed or shows as it seems the opening is from another concert then most of the song.
This is the tour where Steve Hackett really EXPLODED and stood out so strongly in the music of Genesis...then he walked out..the rest is history.
..I meant he surpassed himself..he really stood out strongly during that last tour. The guitar never sounded as powerful in Genesis until they had reached Wind and Wuthering tour.
I saw them in '78 at the Philly Spectrum. This was the first tune. Phil was running all over the stage as I recall. Me and my buds had a giant banner that said 'Squonk'. Laughs! Great show. Awesome 747 landing lights. Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel were great live around this time too.
They shoulda included this version on the new CD/DVD Package of "Wind & Wuthering" that the "Bootleg" Japanese Video they put on instead! Michael Boyce
This is actually one of the best songs they ever performed live, it was the opening song for the W&W Tour. There is a live recording of it out there, I had a bootleg European "Live" album (that's vinyl record) from the early 80s that had most of W&W on it. All four of the guys were in their musical prime here, and Chester, only guy around that could perform Phil's work, beat for beat...
ummm, no kidding! Usually PROMO VIDEOS are overdubbed. I made this to BE a promo video BECAUSE no video footage of this song ever existed before. Are some people simply NOT GETTING IT? It is simply unbelievable the things I sometimes read here.
A terrific track from Wind & Wuthering and also one of my favorites. Too bad they did not have the guts to play this on the current tour in place of one of the crap songs they felt compelled to perform. Saw them in Chicago on 10/3 and they were as powerful as ever. I thought Chester's drum kicks during "Mama" were going to cave in my chest.
Steve was vital to this band, he served as somewhat of a buffer between Tony and the insufferable Phil for "commercial" control. This a really good album TOFT good, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. PG is in fact the lamb of god. These four and the "lamb"? stoopid great.
this track is not live. Granted, someone overdubbed the sound of an audience, and of course the footage is live, but not the sound. The music is directly lifted from the original album. Too bad, I really wanted to hear this track live.
This was not done with the intent to be malicious or to deceive. Aside from the opening live intro, the intent was to make this appear as a promo video from the 70s and that's why the studio track is used, as with all promos. Most people DO understand this concept. It was my attempt to create a visual for a song that NEVER HAD A VISUAL before.
gotcha. I do apologize. I see the point. I was just excited to think I would catch a live video of 11th earl...thus my disappointment. As a concept, though, good job.
Yep, Robb3737 is right. You're only about 15 or 16 years off, radsoft. Nursery Cryme was the first album Phil drummed on, and it was released in 1971. And, IMHO, his best work with the band was on his first two albums in the spotlight, "A Trick Of The Tail" and "Wind And Wuthering". Some of Steve's best work on those albums, too. And, this shouldn't come as a surprise at this point, but, I think Land Of Confusion is probably the only good song on "Invisible Touch."
And for the Einstein that said to Tommy "Phil joined in '70", yeah "mate", you got him on that one. But BFD! His first album was Nursery Crime, which came out in 71. Tommy, thanks for posting this man!
"If you want to hear Phil at his best,check out "we cannot dance",
First off all, it's "We Can't Dance". Which is the biggest piece of shit they ever wrote. No way that's Phil Collins huh? Hey Tommy, don't you love it when someone thinks they are right but really just talk out of their ass? Radsoft, go back to school and do some home work.
In thosedays ,I got invited in the dutch embassy The Netherlands ...tie...costume and everything.
The Ambassador wore nikes and sat on the ground while we had to take place on luxury sofa's...
When it came to art and so...I asked him if he knew Genesis: he said : "follow me" and in his music room we had a ball with Eleventh Earl of Mar and the whole wind and wuthering, so I trew my tie away...while the others were sitting there.We nearly missed the dinner BUT shared ART-and-Music!
Bernard
lekezenman 3 years ago 2
woow you are lucky while in the other side of globe at mid 70 not too many knew them and share the music.. prog rock. Now my daughter listen them. I alway enjoyed this ALBUM.
alexauyeung 3 years ago
Genesis never was "a popular" band.Progrock has a different audience as you said yourself. Indeed it's a good memory to see "a person with very high status" running around in his nikes and talk about the simple things of life, like we do now.
It made me realize that the higher one is in society ...the better and the more careful they are able to listen to the world.
May you go well!
Bernard
lekezenman 3 years ago
Mike Rutherford's bass line is especcially good on this.
sblug2 3 years ago 2
About 1:30 in, it switches to the studio version.
balddanny72 3 years ago
ah yes. The sound was soooo BIG live. They paralyzed you.
johnnycool88 3 years ago
I'm not sure if I'm understanding the argument over Hackett vs. Stuermer. In the first 60 seconds we see a guitarist that appears to be Daryl Stuermer - he stance is more upright and mobile than Hackett's. Subsequently, it is without a shadow of a doubt, Steve Hackett all the way. So 2 different performances here, at least.
Gruntol5 3 years ago
Hey Gruntol, you 'ol veteran! First of all I appreciate all the comments and the time you spent on my videos. Thanks for all that. Now to address the matter- It is Stuermer in the opening live sequence, it is a show from Oakland in 1984. And yes it is Hackett the rest of the way..um..obviously - no secret there.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
Hey Mr. Tommygun - thanks a million (again) for your wonderful promotion of Genesis' great music. I regard Camel (early, of course) just about on the same level as Genesis - any chance that you might get enthusiastic about them too? There's plenty already on YouTube, but if you found anything special .......
Gruntol5 3 years ago
Tresspass and wind and wuthering, these are my favo from Genesis
moodyfan4ever 3 years ago
The silenece is deafening. I mean, if they don't know the difference in tone between Steve and Daryl, then I can't help them. Plus, the VARI lights are a dead give away.
Next....
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Fantastic tune!!!!!
bassmanjoe 3 years ago 2
You guys do realize that the footage here is put together from different sources, right? Obviously, the intro is taken from a more recent show (hence the varilights, probably from the 83/84 tour as stated below, where the intro of this song was played in the old medley) - and then the rest of the song is from an older performance (which is why we see/hear Steve).
kaspergm 3 years ago
Exactly but some people just don't listen or don't know the difference between Daryl and Steve. The rest of the video (not live) is a promo from Wind & Wuthering.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Peter, I too have seen Hackett from 15 feet (GTR-Chicago 1986). This is Hackett here, not Daryl.
LeonettiMeister 3 years ago
It is not! Nevermind that I can tell the difference in sound ( Hackett did the slide faster and with delay), look at the Vari lights. No such lights existed in 77.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
the opening is taken from a concert in Oakland in 1984. It's Daryl.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
Oh and one more, on this concert clip, they went right into the Lamb. Didn't even finish 11th.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Here's one clue. Daryl played the glisando or slide sound slower,like this. Second, they are using vari lights which weren't used until 82 on the ABACAB tour. Hackett left in 77. Nice try though....
PeterMayer 3 years ago
God bless you Tommygun for "bootlegging" this video of that opening sequence, that's rare rare footage man.
Doesn't Hackett on that guitar synth just shiver your spine every time...
robb9uk 3 years ago
I don't think that's guitar synth that Steve used. Besides, that's Daryl playing here.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
Hi Peter, promise you that is Hackett. I have seen Hackett from no more than 15 yards on his Les Paul Gold Top hooked into a Roland guitar synth (watch him kick the pedal in on the octave drop 30 secs in) and I'll nae forget that sound.
Daryl first played with Genesis at Knebworth in '78 after Then There Were Three. Eleventh Earl was dropped from the set by then and I believe it has never appeared on a Genesis set since - there butt naked and ready to be shot down in flames...
robb9uk 3 years ago
Nope. It's either 82 or 84 and I promise you that is Daryl. Sorry mate. Tommy, help me out here.
PeterMayer 3 years ago
i just noticed all this. I'm here to the rescue. It's from Oakland 1984, well into the 3-man era - it is Daryl Stuermer
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
sorry robb9uk,
The opening is taken from Oakland 1984. It is Daryl Stuermer. It is 7 years after Steve's departure and well into the 3-man era.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
wow
camcon05 3 years ago
Magnificent, spine-chilling ending.
Gruntol5 3 years ago
A lot of old Genesis songs had that musical change to a different kind of musical part where you could feel "it goes right down inside of your soul" (to quote them from "Supper's Ready")... They had so much to offer. The slower musical part coincides with the lyrics because the Earl of Mar is transforming and deciding he isn't a war monger... This song could easily apply to a lone U.S. soldier in Iraq after he was in battle and fallen down a hill. Old Genesis rules!!!
jeffteach 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
This is OK but I think you will find 'Video killed the radio star' by The Buggles is better....
funnyfellowhahaha 3 years ago
I take that as a compliment considering I made this video by myself while "Video Killed the Radio Star" was produced by a hired team of trained professionals.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
I love the calm part ca. from 4:10 to 6:00 !!
This could be a song of it's own. Wonderful.
timonraphael 3 years ago
Thanks Tommygun, great fusion of live & album audio and video, you did a fantastic job.
Amazing huge track, blows me away when I listen to it with the volume cranked up !!
kipp0man 3 years ago
thanks for all your comments on all my videos and that goes to everyone else as well!
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
THnks a million for this post, Tom. Astounding piece..... i'm on a Genesis remin kick at the moment, and this was the top tonic. EJ
fulcrum100 3 years ago
First Genesis show I saw was in the fall of 1978, Hackett had recently left the band, Daryl Stuermer has joined as it was the "And Then There Were Three" tour. They opened with this tune. To this day, one of the best shows I've even seen. Large pivoting mirrors above the stage with the 747 lights above (as seen around 6:16-20 on this clip. Nobody was doing that at the time except these guys. Phil's voice was so strong. Thanks for the quality post.
jazzfan30329 3 years ago
Fricken great tune...what a fantastic fusion of guitar, keyboards, drums, vocals... :-D
Delphi333 3 years ago
I mean listen to those arpeggios at 3:01 reflecting the "there's a band of light across your eyes" - awesome...ha ha...what more can I say? :-)
Delphi333 3 years ago
Love this song, and the album. It was the one that introduced me to this incredible group. Thanks for posting this!
iluvcats59 3 years ago
Absotulety phenomenal
destous 3 years ago
Am I alucinating or did you really get some Monty Python's Quest For The Holy Grail excerpts for the movie?
Great song, anyways.
Popocaepetl 3 years ago
you are not hallucinating, ;-)
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
Wow! Hey Tommygun, does the original initial film footage extend beyond the 57 seconds that you've used at the start of this video? How about the rest of the audio from that gig?
greenmay 3 years ago
Thank you Tommygun1028 for posting this. It's a shame that they didn't put this song on Seconds Out. It's such a brilliant prog song - and a great 70's sound on Steves guitar solo :-)
gloggolyt 3 years ago
Genesis music upto the early 80's was pure quality some music critics look back and say its self indulgence and pretentious well it certainly beats some emo strumming 3 chords most of todays bands are nothing more than manufactured shite the likes of this band are true musicians although i do hope they don't release any new material.
centralscrutinizer9 3 years ago 3
Pretentious? Who are these critics, their opinions are worthless. It certainly wasn't pretentious for its day. Right along the lines of brilliance of their contemporaries such as Yes and Pink Floyd. (don't really care for them post Steve Hackett however)
suemariel 3 years ago
catchy as heck but under the radar of pop (and or) rock music
wiggertronix 3 years ago
Awesomely great
gruffmeister44 3 years ago
Massive amount of effort, Tommy. Well done!
kenytco68 3 years ago
The music track is taken from the album, it's overdubbed on the live sequenze!
anyway great track from a great album.
10track 3 years ago
there was no intent to deceive here, I made this music video to appear as a promotional video. With lip-synched music videos as part of the main culture now it's unbelievable that some people still can't realize that is what's being done here. Think classic VH1.
*footnote - the 'soundstage' sequences are originally lip-synced for Japanese television and not live. The only real live sequence here is the opening.
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
well you did a great job of it!!
10track 3 years ago
I love the sound of Hackett's guitar - I used to hate it but now I think it's so visceral
DanielMumby 3 years ago
How could you ever have hated Hackett's guitar? It was very much a part of what made Genesis so good.
floydpink64 3 years ago 3
Being a complete dunce, I think I mistook it for Rutherford's bass on the early stuff. But after I Know What I Like I was completely sold
DanielMumby 3 years ago
I miss Hackett! Please reunite!
StudiosusPerpetuus 3 years ago 2
TONYS THE BEST,THEN WAKEMAN.
ozzierex 3 years ago
That's such a close call that one. But Banks wouldn't have worked in Yes and Wakeman wouldn't have worked in Genesis.
floydpink64 3 years ago 3
Tony's sounds are awsome I like them all a lot but technically Wakeman is superior.
chupacabras101 3 years ago
I agree Rick Wakeman could run up and down scales a lot faster than Banks; but, who cares? Banks was more about the song. He had a fair amount of classical chops. Wakeman could never match the level of complexity of "One For the Vine" for example.
markwjazzguitar 3 years ago 4
Dynamic Genesis song, thank you!
3orchidsrising 3 years ago 2
Genesis Live in 1977?
Nobody could touch them!!!
Over 30 years after seeing them, I am still somewhere up there in the stratosphere!!!
australisman 3 years ago
I Love Genesis its like a band to will live forever....
tchumtchum 3 years ago
I Love Hackett on this song
dougfir48 3 years ago 2
is this live or studio
randomguyh8y 3 years ago
the intro is live, the rest is the studio version
Tommygun1028 3 years ago
Ahhh man , what a letdown. :(
Triphammerband 3 years ago
The video is live,,, but thats the recording playing
dougfir48 3 years ago
Genesis, pardonnez moi, c'est tout simplement genial.
J'avais 20 ans à la fin des années 70 et cette musique n'a rien perdu de sa qualité onirique.
Longue vie à Genesis et à ses fans !
Genesis, excuse me, it's simply genial. I was 20 at the end of the 70 and this music lost nothing of its imaginary quality. Long life in Genesis and in his fans !
ebreq 3 years ago 3
the oldest things i own are my genesis and colling records and hope to be buried with them........fan 4eva,angie
atkezsagin 3 years ago 2
I haven't been born yet & I am a Genesis fan.
blarefax 3 years ago
Look at the young Chester!
DaR4Buff 3 years ago
steve only left because of this album
randomguyh8y 3 years ago
Really? He's gone on record as saying that he's "very fond" of it
DanielMumby 3 years ago
Great song!
Thanks for the vid, Tommygun 1028.
wideglidepaul777 3 years ago
x to the treme
altoidsmit 4 years ago
i am 14 the youngest genesis fan on earth
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
Nah your not the youngest just the next in line.
tricky159 4 years ago
re u the youngest because i know a lot about genesis
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
I'm 3, and I am a genesis fan.
cheezypuff243 3 years ago
Even if you are not the youngest genesis fan, the true will still love your energy. I am now in my thirties, but I was 14 or 15 when I truly began to love Genesis. Granted I remember Invisible Touch, which not is my favorite musically, but as a 9 or 10 year old something, it was still better than most all of what was happening in music between 1986-7. Anyway peace. I at least hope for a new live album from the 1970-1975 line up. In any event we'll always have the "lamb".
cc27miller 3 years ago
True, CC27Miller. Genesis music seemed to change with the times - In 86, I was 17 and didn't completely hate "Invisible Touch" but I knew it wasn't what I was growing up with. Genesis, Peter Gabriel, Mike & the Mechanics and Phil's solo stuff ruled the media in 1985 - 1987. Having said that, they were able to control anything they touched. Not too many bands/former and current members of a band can state that. They did what they needed to do to survive - WTG guys.
danastev924 3 years ago
im only 15 and I love the songs too
ELIOREYES 4 years ago
im only 30 but love the songs
douglasj9483 4 years ago
the autumn of genesis
hsfhpslp99 4 years ago
true enough.
but the colors were still beautiful....
breakfastisready 4 years ago
I was lucky enough to see The Lamb in San Diego, which was unquestionably the best concert I have ever seen. Also went to the Trick of The Tail gig at the Starlight Amphitheater in Burbank with Bruford backing up Phil on drums, which rocked. I kept going to shows up through We Can't Dance, then quit, although I even liked parts of Calling All Stations. Nowadays, it's mostly Porcupine Tree and Flower Kings for me.
progrockhound 4 years ago
5:58 one word CHEMISTRY!!!
frododarg 4 years ago 2
While Gabriel and Hackett certainly did have a presence in this band when Rutherford and Banks took the lead with Abacab and Duke the new sound was quite good, albeit quite a bit less technical. One of the issues was that they could not find a drummer for a long time that could play songs like Dance on a Volcano suitably. Chester did not come along until after they had fired Bill Bruford twice.
jgvid 4 years ago
i rather listen to this than to crap which is popular for like a week
randomguyh8y 4 years ago 4
hey random, I meant to tell you that there is no studio promo for The Cinema Show
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Who sings the other, intermittent lead? Rutherford?
acoronab 4 years ago
hackett
frododarg 4 years ago
WRONG! Quite clearly Mike Rutherford. You're just guessing.
Gruntol5 4 years ago
The fact (& sad truth) is that the live intro isn't even Hackett playing - it's from the "And Then There Were Three" tour. It's Daryl Strummer (who can't compare with Hackett) Genesis hasn't done anything really worth a darn in over 25 years (just bits and pieces). I gave up a long time ago...
eartopsy 4 years ago
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FrankGenesis 4 years ago 5
Great song. Too little of Hackett though, unfortunately.
morgoth195 4 years ago
Hackett left shortly after W&W...the title of their next Lp said it all.."..And Then There Were Three." Hackett and Gabriel SHOULDA STUCK AROUND!! Michael Boyce
mrmjb1960 4 years ago
i´m agree Zandras3,Peter Gabriel was unique.
monkegol 4 years ago
when hackett left, genesis died. trick and w&w were good albums, although i missed gabriel, but after those collins took over and genesis became a middle-of-the-road popband. what a waste!
zandras3ddo 4 years ago
Sure they slowed down on some of their creative, odd time signatures, and extremely complex chord changes. But their song writing abilities never went away they where just getting tired of the stuff they were doing. If you listen close you can still hear the progressive feel and the astonishing abilities shinning through in the latter albums.
It wasn't all Collins that made the shift in direction either, it was everyone including Daryl and Chester. But most of all Time.
theeone123 4 years ago
I respectfully disagree. I didn't see it as a matter of "time" or "getting tired of the stuff they were doing." In the early '80s Genesis made an obvious, calculated decision to start writing simpler, more commercial songs for the unsophisticated masses. This was around the time Phil was doing drivel like "Easy Lover" with Philip Bailey, "Against All Odds," "You Can't Hurry Love," etc. The disappointing shift in Genesis' direction reflected Phil's increasing influence and was, IMHO, a shame.
Ken5244 3 years ago 3
i agree.
1tyresius 3 years ago
Considering what a lot of prog musicians morphed into in the 1980s, I'd say that Genesis come out of it slightly better than most, at least in the first half of the decade. Up to Genesis (1983) they managed to still produce some great stuff while other artists like Mike Oldfield and Yes turned into tacky cabaret acts
DanielMumby 3 years ago 2
I agree with you. I remember thinking, Phil is using Genesis as his backup band, it was totally his style taking over a great group. But also I don't think that w/Peter Gabriel would have been much different, since He also went comercial with that album: SO. There were the 80's: Reagan, comercialism, Gordon Gekko delivering his unfamous quote, "GREED IS GOOD", "GREED WORKS"...now go figure what was happening in the Music Industry at that time....
vivelavidarocka 3 years ago
The Castle Ahhhhhhgggggg! Our quest is at an end...
mproebstle 4 years ago
when is that live clip at the beginning from, and do you have a video of that whole clip that doesn't switch to the studio version?
bulawa 4 years ago
It's from a live performance in Oakland in 1984 and that's the only part of the song they did live, that's why that's all I used. It was part of a medley. I don't have the rest of the show.
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Are you sure it's from '84? Darryl Steurmer must have playing the guitar then.
morgoth195 4 years ago
yep, that's it but it's the only visual of the intro so I chose to use it instead of just making an entire studio promo. Maybe that's what I should've done
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
do u like genesis in the prog years or the pop rock years
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
Do you like Genesis the prog group or Genesis the pop group? lol that discussion seems to go on forever
acoronab 4 years ago
was this like there like fourth studio recording music video
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
Like I wonder what on like earth you are like talking about like.
Gruntol5 4 years ago
he means is this the next video they made after the 3 promotional videos Genesis made for the Trick of the Tail album
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Great song off one of my favorite albums of all time.
Quantanthead 4 years ago
this is in playback
traffic34 4 years ago
do the terms "promotional video" & "lip-synch" mean anything to you? Have you ever heard of them? Yeesh!
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Merci Tommygun pour ton travail presque 30 ans apres avoir ecouté et lu cet album 10 000 fois , le retrouver, quel emotion !
JCFACHES 4 years ago
Wow, nice live piece for the intro. I had a tape once with all in a mouse's night from this tour. Awesome live! I think they really screwed up the mix on Seconds out and basically down played Steve Hacket's awesome guitar work. They did get it right on the Archives volume I live Lamb though. W & W definitely the last "great" genessis album. After that moments of greatness but nothing like before! This song still gives me chills thirty years after I first heard it!!
woofiedog3 4 years ago
And then the great Steve Hackett left, Phil Collins trimmed his beard and lost his hair, and what was would never be again.... Such a loss.
alebarjr 4 years ago
exactly! If only Phil would grow that beard back!
ClassicRockDVD 4 years ago
Would really have liked to hear the live recording, even though quality was not great.
The dubbed film was certainly good to see, but Genesis were a superb live band so the magic is missing.
kipp0man 4 years ago
I'm glad you enjoy this footage of 11th Earl of Mar that never existed before. Shame some people can't enjoy something that they never knew existed before. That's the internet culture for some people, they see things they never saw before and still complain - a disgrace. To answer your question that beginning of the song is the ONLY live footage of 11th Earl in existence.
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Thanks Tommygun, don't get me wrong, I think it's incredible to see this amazing footage.. thanks again for posting..an absolute gem shared with everyone.
kipp0man 4 years ago
I keep going back to early genisis for a lift and seeing tommygun is like coming back to see an old friend, thank you for your contributions over time my friend.
flstf03jerry 4 years ago
you're welcome,
that was a very nice thing to say!
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Tony Banks is God. All the people who bitch about Gabriel Vs. Collins need to understand that without Tony Banks, there is no Genesis.
I was happy to see Genesis in Sept., regardless of whether Gabriel was there...Mr. Banks was, and therefore so was Genesis.
Hellcat2800 4 years ago
EXACTLY. Without Tony, there is no such thing as Genesis. (Or Mike, for that matter, but the way I see it, the brains of the band is Tony) I remember shouting Tony's name at the beginning and end of the Genesis a couple of months ago. He's my favorite keyboardist ever. (Besides Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson, but IMO Tony is underrated and is #1)
tenchimasake 4 years ago
But from what i've read, having Hackett around was (in around '71 or so) like Tony had finally found a 'sympathetic soul'(my own words). Not Banks' words, but Steve definatly was an ally in Tony's visions of grandeur.
morgoth195 4 years ago
Agreed, without him there is no Genesis.
chupacabras101 4 years ago
this is a good song perhaps I hate Collins era
inibbab 4 years ago
TONY BANKS IS THE BEST.
ozzierex 4 years ago
playback
MEN2ZEN 4 years ago
for an hour a face may change
chociroc 4 years ago
The 1977 tour by Genesis was simply outstanding!
I don't think they ever surpassed it!
australisman 4 years ago
re u from england
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
No I am from Switzerland but am an American.
I never saw the Gabriel nor Hackett era Genesis but for sure it was the best period for Genesis. They really went down hill after Hackett left and had a short revival period during the Duke tour. The last tour was nice but just too impersonal and mechanical to my taste..I would rather see them in smaller venues then these large stadiums which are totally impersonal. best
Roger
deegish 4 years ago
A pity that that whoever placed this video did not specify where the live show was filmed or shows as it seems the opening is from another concert then most of the song.
This is the tour where Steve Hackett really EXPLODED and stood out so strongly in the music of Genesis...then he walked out..the rest is history.
Roger
deegish 4 years ago
how did he explode
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
..I meant he surpassed himself..he really stood out strongly during that last tour. The guitar never sounded as powerful in Genesis until they had reached Wind and Wuthering tour.
Booooom.
deegish 4 years ago
....genesis forever
lore2094 4 years ago
wasn't steve hacketts last album seconds out
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
seconds out I think it was a live record
studio album mabe a trick of a tail
berra6 4 years ago
this isn't a bad song but i prefer ripples over this
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
blue girls come in every size
chociroc 4 years ago
some re wise and some other wise they got pretty blue eyes
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
it is also my favorite genesis.relayer and trilogy to boot.
kharlamych 4 years ago
I saw them in '78 at the Philly Spectrum. This was the first tune. Phil was running all over the stage as I recall. Me and my buds had a giant banner that said 'Squonk'. Laughs! Great show. Awesome 747 landing lights. Steve Hackett and Peter Gabriel were great live around this time too.
markwjazzguitar 4 years ago
This is one of my favorite Genesis songs. I never got to see them live, so I really enjoyed this clip.
diosadiosadiosa 4 years ago
Still loving these vids...W&W is my favorite album by Genesis
kamwrites 4 years ago
They shoulda included this version on the new CD/DVD Package of "Wind & Wuthering" that the "Bootleg" Japanese Video they put on instead! Michael Boyce
mrmjb1960 4 years ago
wow, THAT's an endorsement!
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
I only speak the truth...this version is ten times better than that one! Michael Boyce
mrmjb1960 4 years ago
i think tht the cinema show in my opinion is a much better song than this eleventh earl of mar
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
Totally awesome.
Culpano 4 years ago
This is actually one of the best songs they ever performed live, it was the opening song for the W&W Tour. There is a live recording of it out there, I had a bootleg European "Live" album (that's vinyl record) from the early 80s that had most of W&W on it. All four of the guys were in their musical prime here, and Chester, only guy around that could perform Phil's work, beat for beat...
RVAuday 4 years ago
this video is overdubed
nico63 4 years ago
ummm, no kidding! Usually PROMO VIDEOS are overdubbed. I made this to BE a promo video BECAUSE no video footage of this song ever existed before. Are some people simply NOT GETTING IT? It is simply unbelievable the things I sometimes read here.
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
Hey man this video is overdubbed.
*runs away* lol
smadurski 4 years ago
lolol
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
aaaaagh GOD I LOVE THIS BAND!!!!
crocodilewerewolf 4 years ago
Too Cool. It's fun to go back in time.
wonder if these guys ever sit and watch themselves and think "I should have done thie or that"?
MiKriya 4 years ago
genesis the best group of history!!!!!
igiuzzo 4 years ago
No the best album was the lamb lies down on broadway!
641990 4 years ago
Agreed. The best is the lamb and Selling England . If you have not heard these albums you have not been born.
chupacabras101 4 years ago 2
In had the pleasure of seeing The Musical Box do Selling England by the Pound...amazing, had to be just like seeing Genesis way back then.
Hellcat2800 4 years ago
how would we be not born
randomguyh8y 4 years ago
wind&wuthering the best album of the history
igiuzzo 4 years ago
A terrific track from Wind & Wuthering and also one of my favorites. Too bad they did not have the guts to play this on the current tour in place of one of the crap songs they felt compelled to perform. Saw them in Chicago on 10/3 and they were as powerful as ever. I thought Chester's drum kicks during "Mama" were going to cave in my chest.
yesshows77 4 years ago
Wind & Whutering the best Genesis album of the history.
Josledes 4 years ago
Steve was vital to this band, he served as somewhat of a buffer between Tony and the insufferable Phil for "commercial" control. This a really good album TOFT good, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. PG is in fact the lamb of god. These four and the "lamb"? stoopid great.
mojotunes 4 years ago
this track is not live. Granted, someone overdubbed the sound of an audience, and of course the footage is live, but not the sound. The music is directly lifted from the original album. Too bad, I really wanted to hear this track live.
tdynes1014 4 years ago
This was not done with the intent to be malicious or to deceive. Aside from the opening live intro, the intent was to make this appear as a promo video from the 70s and that's why the studio track is used, as with all promos. Most people DO understand this concept. It was my attempt to create a visual for a song that NEVER HAD A VISUAL before.
Tommygun1028 4 years ago
gotcha. I do apologize. I see the point. I was just excited to think I would catch a live video of 11th earl...thus my disappointment. As a concept, though, good job.
tdynes1014 4 years ago
Yep, Robb3737 is right. You're only about 15 or 16 years off, radsoft. Nursery Cryme was the first album Phil drummed on, and it was released in 1971. And, IMHO, his best work with the band was on his first two albums in the spotlight, "A Trick Of The Tail" and "Wind And Wuthering". Some of Steve's best work on those albums, too. And, this shouldn't come as a surprise at this point, but, I think Land Of Confusion is probably the only good song on "Invisible Touch."
ziggy2765 4 years ago
Radsoft? Are you joking? Phil joined the band in a well-documented augition in 1970 at Peter's parents' house.
Robb3737 4 years ago
I'm with peter!
abdosly 4 years ago
And for the Einstein that said to Tommy "Phil joined in '70", yeah "mate", you got him on that one. But BFD! His first album was Nursery Crime, which came out in 71. Tommy, thanks for posting this man!
PeterMayer 4 years ago
"If you want to hear Phil at his best,check out "we cannot dance",
First off all, it's "We Can't Dance". Which is the biggest piece of shit they ever wrote. No way that's Phil Collins huh? Hey Tommy, don't you love it when someone thinks they are right but really just talk out of their ass? Radsoft, go back to school and do some home work.
PeterMayer 4 years ago