@GamerBruce95 Actually, no, it's not an ancients ship. The ship is an Asuran replicator ship. The Asuran Replicators in the Pegasus galaxy were created by the ancients and copied the ancients culture and tech design, right down to making their cities identical to Atlantis, and their ships of the same design as the ancient's Orion/Aurora ships.
The Lucian Alliance did what the Goa'uld did. Behaved intelligently.
Faced with an enemy possessing an insurmountable advantage in military technology, they used the sneaky crap the Goa'uld designed for covert ops, infiltrated Homeworld Command and thieved all the Tauri technical information.
Throw in the fact that the Ori had previously been throwing advanced tech to all their pawns who are now out on their asses, and the Alliance has every reason to be able to match the Tauri in battle.
@cashforsanity They only gave out tech to one planet, and it's later said that the asgard went and destroyed it.
On the alliance, that was just a massive plot hole. There's no way they could have done all they did, considering the tech advantage, so the writers made a bunch of shit up to make the story go along. I try to find ways that I could make it fit, but it just doesn't.
So, I've decided, screw SGU's plot. It didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.
@GortonMichael Agreed bullshit on that, they are fucking farmer slaves and ship servants turned scientists that rivals earths??? In reality the Lucian Alliance should only have a few ships and barley keeping them running. I would have bought this more if a faction of the free Jafa sent 20 ships to that planet.
@Baseshocks Even if they did, it still doesn't make sense. The nukes the 304s carry can destroy them in a single hit, and they carry dozens.
That's not even counting the asgard beams which oneshot them, but as "they were not installed yet" apparantly, meh.
Don't get how they're not installed anyway. SGU is set a year after the end of Atlantis, and in an alternate timeline that ship got built and finished around the start of season 5.
@TheDeludedFactor Well, the fact that they nerfed the Asgard Weapons in SGU was kind of annoying. The Hammond should have been able to mop the floor with 3 Ha'taks, no problem. But Mr. Mallozzi wants to sit here and say, "The Lucian Alliance modified their Ha'taks to be resistant to those weapons". How, exactly? They have NO access to Ancient/Ori tech, since during the war with the forces of the Ori, they were content to sit back and sell space corn.
Seriosly? I haven't watched the universe that much so I didn't know that... Well that's just lame! In Atlantis Carter pawned two hiveships with a daedalus class ship with beam guns and now they are telling us we can't even destroy two Ha'taks with them? It's so easy to make things more exciting by putting the characters against more powerful enemy but this is just idiotism. Why not making the Lucian alliance have like 40+ Ha'taks against one daedalus. Would have been more "realistic".
@TheDeludedFactor Oh, I'm with you. But the plot-holes and ignorance of established canon in SGU caught up to them, eventually. For one thing, it's pretty funny that they run across at least 2 other planets with Naquadriah deposits when Jonas' planet (Langara) was clearly stated in SG-1 to be the only planet that Thanos conducted the Naquadriah research on. Hence why Anubis and later Ba'al were so interested in it. If the Milky Way had multiple planets with deposits, we'd have been dead meat.
I know what you mean! No doupt Anubis or Ba'al would have found out of them. And then the one would have perfected it and used it to blow us all up to kingdom come. I can't believe it! Finally when the Universe starts to show up in stores in here I get the feeling that the whole thing is done with the expense of the other series and more "seasoned" fans.
@TheDeludedFactor SGU improved in Season 2, but only because they tried to sew up a few of the gaping plot holes that made the show essentially non-canon for most of Season 1 and the crew stopped grabbing at each other's throats. I'm not going to speak against watching SGU, especially since it's been canceled and is therefore no longer an ongoing affront to the SG franchise. But, let me recommend that you find a place to rent the first few episodes before committing to a purchase.
@TheDeludedFactor Anytime. There were a few good single eps and even a few in sequence. The McKay one wasn't all that great, because they again gave the impression that a man with numerous degrees in astrophysics and engineering was subordinate in intelligence to a college dropout/gamer and, in all honestly, "God"ney McKay could have probably fixed every problem with the Destiny via communication stone. Also, it involved Langara, but there was no surprise cameo of Jonas Quinn. Jerks.
@TheDeludedFactor Indeed; the fake that the Daedalus class, making mincemeat out of Ori and Ancient ships (the strongest known ships around, and both EASILY ripped apart fleets of Goa'uld motherships), for no reason at all didn't wipe out of hopped-up drug trafficers in badly-maintained salvaged Goa'uld ships from the entire Milky Way in under a week. A single ZPM-powered Daedalus can cross the entire galaxy in under an hour, the SGC should be able to destroy 100 ships in a day with no losses.
@TheDeludedFactor The producers have been pulled this rubbish since SGA season 4. Suddenly wraith ships (and wraith in general) become cannon-fodder when in Season 1/2 they'd been so intimidating; and the Daedalus class able to destroy Ancient vessels with previously-unstoppable drones with zero damage. It all got watered down and sense vanished. A drone platform can defeat a whole Goa'uld fleet, a Daedalus can squat a drone platform with ease yet sits there scratching its backside at 2 Ha'taks?
@TheDeludedFactor Even a single JUMPER can smash a Hatak apart with two mesely drones. A Daedalus with beam weapons and nuclear missiles capable of going right through Goa'uld shields is infinitely more dangerous. Yet apparently nobody on the bridge realised: "Hey, we can actually fire and win in two seconds, rather than sit here for half an hour for no reason". No nuke-missiles with shield modulators, no beamed/ringed-over nuclear warhead, not one beam-shot. Massive plot hole.
@fmcc0904 Mallozzi invents excuses on the fly as mistakes are pointed out to him. When fans were upset that the beam weapons made the previously all-powerful Orion class into whimpy cannon-fodder he injected the excuse that the Asuran ships were inferior to the real Ancient Orion classes, to excuse the beam weapons' over-powered-ness. Then he says a bunch of drug-runners, thieves, and salvagers with zero advanced knowledge did what Ancients and Ori tech couldn't do, counter the beams.
The Goa'uld couldn't measure up to the Asgard's power for millenia. The beam weapons are the best of their weapons technologies. So how is savaged Goa'uld technology, minus most of the Goa'uld's knowledge and understanding, completely understood by the new human owners to the point where they could boost their knowledge and capabilities beyond that of the Asgard, the Ancients, the Ori, or the Tau'ri? Their scientific base in far inferior, yet they've performed a magic miracle.
@s2k997 You're preaching to the choir, here. I totally agree. Even if, and I stress IF the Alliance developed defensive capabilities that could withstand the beam weapons, that retcons and calls for such a massive suspension of disbelief that SGU should be stricken completely from Stargate canon. The reason is, they possess a far larger fleet than Earth, and if they have no reason to fear our Asgard weaponry, what keeps them from parking in orbit and blasting us into submission?
@fmcc0904 Precisely, if they had the capability to withstand the weaponry, they wouldn't be trying to sneak bombs onto Earth, they'd send a single mothership and pound a few cities into dust, because apparently a Daedalus or three (if that many could respond at all) wouldn't be able to do Jack to stop them. I'd have accepted "The Hammond didn't have beam weapons installed yet" as far more plausable (but dumb, setting off without the main offensive capability) excuse.
@fmcc0904 It's hits me as: both the Ori and Anubis, enemies armed with all the Ascended knowledge of the universe, or the Replicators, the most adaptable known species in the unverse, were sitting ducks to these weapons and unable to counter with all their knowhow and advances. So how did a bunch of drug-runners, heavily-armed thugs, and devided war lords more interested in making money and gaining power than 'bully the Earth', believably learn about and out-do the best technology of the Asgard?
@s2k997 It's called retcon, and has been rampant in the franchise for some time. At least they kept it somewhat within reason (for the most part). But honestly, I think this was all part of the build-up that Wright and co. had in mind for the crew of the "wrong people" gradually (and ridiculously) becoming the foremost group to come out of the SGC. I wouldn't be surprised if the ultimate end of Universe would have seen the Destiny crew do something asinine like initiate the Big Bang.
@s2k997 exactly I never bought into the idea that the Lucian alliance would be able to withstand the beam weapons, In the SGU they state that the Hammond did not have them installed, I doubt the lucian alliance could do anything to stop them
@TheDeludedFactor The Lucian alliance are a back wash organization they are freed human slaves trying to get by, they are over powered considering the Jafa took over most of the Goa'uld fleet. Lucian Alliance should only have a few ships and the knowledge to barley run them.
@Imilko True but but when they were fully powered they were near unstopable, plus at least when the ancients built something it lasted for a long time
It has become clear that many here have strayed from the path of Hammond into the darkness of the shol'va Teal'c.
BE NOT THAT THE GREAT HAMMOND HAS BBQ THE SOL’VA FOR THEE? ONLY UPON THY EAT OF THE TEAL’CBURGER SHALL YOU TASTE FREEDOM!
Hammond is kind and blesses those who follow. Thou who do not is welcome to his BBQ, but they will be for to eat. They will be eat as the shol’va Teal’c is eated. Will you accept His offering, and feast upon the Teal'cburger?
hell no they arent the beams still have to go through the shields and be accurate, drones how ever can easily bypass the shields and take out key systems- destroying the ship with barely any shots, also while if the beams miss they still have to recharge for more shots drones if they miss they will circle around cause they are pretty much targeting ai. also 2 drones can destroy a hive ship is properly shot.
and you dont have to be facing the target to shoot with drones unlike the asgard beams,also drones can take out entire fleets while asgard beam weapons have to do it one by one
crap earlier comment ddnt go thru >.> the beams have 2 advantages the one i listed above, and they have more raw firepower than the drones, BUT as red mentioned, the drones simply bipass the shields and circle back around. However there are ships out there with shields strong enough to withstand drones, so in those cases the beams would be a better suit.
Ahh but the Wraith Super Hive is pretty much impervious to Asgard Beams. And you can rest assured that one shot from an Asgard beam would most likely take out a gould mother ship.
ehh not impervious... just not extremely affected, they do about as much damage as drones against a hive simply cuz the hive is made of armor, in raw fire power the beams are stronger, but not neccessarily better the drones bipass MOST shields and act like tracking missles, so it depends on the situation which weapon is better, hehe itd be good to have both
@jabroni1223 i doubt it .... it will blow up the hatak but it wont pass throug to the next. The main laser of the ori mothership on the otherhand ... would probably blow up 2 or 3 if they were lined up.
@jabroni1223 If you mean the ori ships , yes they were made to be shield piercers but you can also see in the episode "camelot" you can see that the ori laser not only passes through the shield destroying the ship, it also passes through its hull. Asgard plasme beam cannons on the other hand would take a few shots to blow up a hatak.
@Arminski2008 The Lantean defense satellite had an even more powerful weapon than the Asgard plasma beam and the Ori main weapon. It tore a Wraith hive in half with little effort. Imagine what it could do if it was fully operational. I can't see even Asgard shields lasting very long against that sort of power.
@wilkoman3 True, true. But we still dont know what an ori mothership would perform against a wraith hive. And the satellite was only seen to fire upon a hive ship. So witch one is more powerfull remains unditermend, but id say they are even !
why do the replicators here take human form and build ships when their "bodies" could survive in space on their own? it seems very inefficient and pointless to me...
If you are referring to the "spider ship" and the cruiser used by milky way-replicators, the answer is material. Neutronium is used to build the replicatorbodies in both galaxies, a rare element you don't want to waste. So the ships, much larger in size, need to be constructed by a material that is more abundant then neutronium.
"Ah, I see!" said the blind-man. I forgot about the milky-way replicators eroding and rusting in the atlantic because of the iron they processed from that Russian sub.
Also think about this. The ancient stopped advancing technologically thousands of years ago when they ascended.
The Asgards on the other hand continued to advance in the material world because they never reached ascension. The whole clone thing, remember? The Asgards probably had much more time to develop weaponry.
one thing alwayas bugged me abaout the asgard.....if they sufferd from that clone desease...and they would die out eventually...why didant they just dll there minds in a computer or some android boddyes.... at there tech they could easaly made one...thus they would have a long time to figure out there lil clone problem...and in one SGA episode daniel and Rodney met some rogue asgard that fixed the clone problem..... the asgard from our galaxy could have benefit from that <.<
lol...watch the episode where they meet the rogue asgard...and u will see that the asgard leader there said they fixed it...aproximatly....that is why they are still alive .....
the point beeiinggg...is that they are alive and our asgard are not..if only our asgard would ahve lived a lil more...then they would have benefit from these
right, they had more time to experiment. but i don't understand why daniel couldn't offer them a safe journey back to the milky way galaxy. by season 5, the ori are no longer a threat and there's lots of devestated planets to rebuild. i'm sure the rouge asgards coulda used a planet for themselves than stay in pegasus
very good point. thor took control of anubis's ha'tak ship in season 6 of sg-1. i don't understand why they couldn't download their minds into a computer or machine bodies as you said.
@SmopuiM you know at there tech level... it would not be so hard to build some fu** machines in wich they can place there minds :| wtf was so hard <.< thats wath i hate abaout the asgard.... they couldav just made... android bodyes.... <.<
Except that the Pegasus asgard didn't know about the other asgard (i think) and that they said they "Delayed" the problem, but didn't fix it.
Besides I seriously doubt its that easy to take someone's memories and consciousness and throw it into a computer... Let alone an entire race of beings. Chemical computers (like our brains) are far more complex.
True about the drones and shields. If the SGC can begin to make their own copies of the drones and implement them eventually they will have an advantage. They could replace their crude missiles with the drones and still have the beam weapons. That would be interesting to say the least.
i think that happens in one episode i saw it on a youtube vid - but i cant tell if they were fired from the grund tho as to because the camera is at the back left centre angle so it is hard to see - but yesi think it happens in one episode :)
Actually, the Replicator ships aren't as good as the Ancient ships, the Ancient ships were better.
Also, remember, the ASGARD gave the humans the beam weapons, the Asgard were almost as tough as the ancients, and this many beam weapons? Beam weapons is the ultimate weapon in Stargate.
-, 2. best jea the drones can bypass shields the beams have to fire they way trough it and just to mention if this ship hase shields up it would give a nice battle to those 2 daedalus class CRUISERS(yes theyre no battleships or battlecruisers theyr just cruisers not more not less if stargate would go in another season maybe we would see the achilles battlecruiser and the excalibur battleship)
I loved this scene I whish they made like it the only problem I have is that they seem to have made the beam weapons like uber so nothing can beat them I mean isnt the replicator ships meant to be some of the best in stargate universe?
Well, without a doubt the Daeadalus Class Starships are some of the most powerful starships around. Even the Ori should respect the power of these little ships. After all those Asgard beams cut up the ori with ease. LOL
Not that the 304's have asgard everything they are pounded for pound the best ship out that, no solo ship besides a ZPM enchanced mothership can hope to win, Not the goaul'd Ha'taak nor a wraith hive ship not even a Ori mothership, we still havent see them go toe to toe with an O'neil class asgard ship but I think they would have the egde, oh and yeah at this point the asgard would be better than the ancient seeing they had another 10,000 years to advange!
Actully they did.. Ancient are basicly Ori tech x2. drones are just missles. You cant seriously say that the ancients THE most interligent race to EVER have lived have not made somthing as simple as beam weapons?
tbh, i think their ships had it, u look at the ships and they seem to have secondary beam cannons. We can't really say the Asurans REALLY copied the ancient version too well. For all we know, they could have left out lots of the stuff the ancients did. Plus drones already proved to be able to destroy a ori ship.
as with all projectile weapons its effectiveness is based on supply of ammunition. The beam can compromise powerful targets and destroy only specified areas. But it can't take care of fighters foot soldiers or overwhelming numbers as well. Plus with all directed energy weapons lots of energy is required.
The Asgards have had alot of time to fine tune there weapons and make them as energy efficent as possible but yes you are correct, they do suck alot of power. Col Emerson usally orders HD power to the beam weapons to keep them firing.
personally I believe the Asgard beam is like a scalpel and the ancient drone is like an anti virus. One focuses all power into a fairly small point to to compromise integrity or destroy a certain part while leaving the remainder intact. The other searches out based on perspective enemies and threats I think their both equally useful in their own ways. The drone can take out an entire invasion fleet with minimal collateral damage but needs extreme numbers to destroy large targets and
Lmao..so you point out a spelling mistake and that's supposed to prove something? I could easily point out your spelling mistakes as well, but I have more class than that. And pointing out spelling mistakes it truly the attitude of someone who lost the argument and knows it. And finally, English is not my first fucking language, so boo fucking hoo I am entitled to make spelling mistakes. Unless you can write my native language better than I can write in yours, you have no reason to brag.
Dude, I have tore you a new asshole in this argument. You are that faggot SSPuddlejumper from the gateworld forum. Maybe you die a thousand deaths, you piece of shit.
schade das die aurora klasse ihre schilde down hatte wäre nen interesanter kampf geworden dronen und durch ZPM's verbesserte schilde vs neue asgard waffentechnologie
Lol...I get angry when arguing with liars such as yourself. Besides, this is such a silly discussion anyway - technology of fictional TV show -, that it's not worth it for me to get grey hair over it.
And what would be the point of continuing it anyway? Arguing with you is a zero-sum game with a nincopoop.
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You are definitely SSPuddlejumper from the gateworld forum. Just shut the fuck up about your rhetoric, you stupid fuck. None of what you state is based on canon. Replicator Aurorasa re not real Auroras, you fucking retard. And the Asgard beamn destroyed the Aurora when it had just come o0ut of hyperspace and had it's shields down. Now shut the fuck up about your Asgard nut-hugging. even Thor would be disgusted by how you lick the balls of the Asgard.
nothing in stargate is overpowert eaven the new asgard weapones ther strong yea but less powerfull than the ori beam's because an ori battlecruiser can kill a ancient ship without shilds in one shot and the replicators have upgradet every singel part of the aurora class ship like in the normal stargate serie's hataks and eaven asgard ships
We have never seen a real aurora in combat except when the Orion destroyed that hive in 3 seconds - yes, seconds -, so you can't say anything about Asgard ships being better than the Ancients'. Malozzi is the show's producer and one of it's writers, so what he says is canon. And the Asgard themselves considered the Ancients superior, so there you have your answer.
"We have never seen a real aurora in combat except when the Orion" What do you call the Travellers' Aurora, Scotch Mist? Stop bending the truth, we saw that one in two fights. If you argue by using false evidence then you are defeated at the start. Asgard were never ones to gloat or be prideful anyway. Besides of which, there was huge technology transfer and sharing of knowledge between the four former major races of the Milky Way, probably why the Nox and Ancients have cloaking technology.
The Asgard super-beam should be able to take out hives, yes, but not Auroras. This is retarded. The Ancients were even more advanced than the Agard, so how can they take out the Asurans' Auroras?
While I might not agree that Asgard technology is inferior to Ancient, as the Asgard have been cracking on with inventing for the 10,000 years since Ancients as a civilisation ended; the battle was retarded. The Replicator ships were firing drones one at a time. Come on, O'neill and Sheppard fire them by the hundreds in vast waves, and they couldn't manufacture more unlike the Replicators. The Plasma beams may be better, but the sheer number of drones in response should be in the thousands.
The Asgard are a much younger race than the Ancients. The fact that the Ancients stopped advancing ten thousand years ago is irrelevant. Suppose the Ancients were a million years ahead of the Asgard ten thousand years ago. Well, then Ancient technology whould still be 990,000 years ahead of theirs today. Understand?
Not really. We have no fixed numbers on either of them, so your point is academic theory not canon. Not to mention time is a very poor indicator of science. We have made more scientific progress between 1950 and 2000 than we did between 1000 and 1600. Spending more years around in the galaxy doesn't automatically mean your technology is the best or the most superior. Understand?
Idiot, it has been stated in cannon that the Ancients are millions of years old and had stargates 50 million years ago, while the Asgard were still travelling between the stars in suspended animation a mere 30,000 years ago, because their ships were so slow. If want to argue against canon, then you are defeated from the start. The Asgard themselves said that thye have barely scratched the surface of the Ancients' library of knowledge. Understand?
Great way to prove your point, insulting people. Anyway, you're still not escaping the fact that time doesn't equal level of advancement. And from what I saw above, the Asgard weapons just screwed over an Ancient Warship. Now you can either cling to the idea that because Asgard haven't been around as long makes them inferior for all time, or you can take the fact that their weapons just made garbage out of an Ancient ship. You can cling to backstory, but fact is fact, they kicked its ass.
Joe Mallozi said in his blog that replicators Auroras are inferior to the real Ancient ones. Anyway, I am not getting into a pissing match with you because this is a silly discusion anyway and I have better things to do with my time. Farewell.
Considering I started this conversation mostly in agreement with you but one point, and you decided to sping around attacking that point and calling me an idiot, I'd say you're the one who turned this into a pissing contest. Perhaps you should consider being less aggressive and excited in your reasoning before you claim the moral high ground. Farewell to you.
the ori/ancients are the most advanced race in the stargate universe. I think the ancients, being the scientists, were more advanced, but were morons when it came to strategy. The asgard were using ancient databases to enhance their own technology as well, and they were only scratching the surface of it. It took like 6 shots to kill an ori ship.....
And yes Simdal, pay close attention to the episodes and their dialogues in 9x20, 10x1, and 10x20 and you'll see them talk about Ori shields fluctuating being its "weakness". Watch your Season 10 DVD again, pay close attention to the details, and you'll see that the Oddessy takes about 6 to 8 shots (count them) with the Asgard beams to take down an Ori ship.
Comments of "Asgard more powerful than Ori" because people see stuff like this yet fail to consider... If the Asgard were so powerful, why didn't they take on the Ori ships head to head when it came to the Asgard's new homeworld??? Hmmm...
Also you have to realise that the Writers were forced to cook up these crappy "deal with the enemy quickly" plotlines thanks to Sci-Fi Channel cancelling SG1. Otherwise we'd have more SG1 seasons and more struggles against the Ori.
Then I guess the Ori shields are inferior huh? Cause if you dont remember the ori were putting the beat down on all when they came along... Dont you remember when 2 drone weapons destroyed 1 Hatak ship? where as the beam weapons need several shots, Not to mention the Drone weapons are smart weapons so if your going to want to hit something your damn sure ganna hit it with them.
Baseless betting is meaningless. We don't know either way, but even wraith weapons would have brought Atlantis' shields down within a day during The Seige, and these beam weapons are vastly superior. I'd say the shield would hold, until the continuous strain depleted the ZPM and then it collapses.
Ffs man its a Damn ancients ship not a replicator
GamerBruce95 1 month ago
@GamerBruce95 Actually, no, it's not an ancients ship. The ship is an Asuran replicator ship. The Asuran Replicators in the Pegasus galaxy were created by the ancients and copied the ancients culture and tech design, right down to making their cities identical to Atlantis, and their ships of the same design as the ancient's Orion/Aurora ships.
Xonx68 1 month ago
BC-304's could pretty fak up anything from any universe. Tough little ships.
...except maybe Andromeda.
GangsterHutterite 1 month ago
Hallowed are the Ori
dbrandinni 1 month ago
I get an erection every time I see an asgard beam weapon
SArmagh681 1 month ago 2
... and we had so much trouble with the Ori and Gou'ld
TheSilverphantom1 3 months ago
If we ignore SGU and the last episode of SG1, series 10, then its a fantastic series... just saying :D
DreamerRT 4 months ago
The Lucian Alliance did what the Goa'uld did. Behaved intelligently.
Faced with an enemy possessing an insurmountable advantage in military technology, they used the sneaky crap the Goa'uld designed for covert ops, infiltrated Homeworld Command and thieved all the Tauri technical information.
Throw in the fact that the Ori had previously been throwing advanced tech to all their pawns who are now out on their asses, and the Alliance has every reason to be able to match the Tauri in battle.
cashforsanity 4 months ago
@cashforsanity
But ori weapon tech is inferior to asgard weapon tech....
TheCaptainCrack 3 months ago
@TheCaptainCrack No, Those ori beams were waay more powerful. The Asgard just had baddass shields.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@cashforsanity They only gave out tech to one planet, and it's later said that the asgard went and destroyed it.
On the alliance, that was just a massive plot hole. There's no way they could have done all they did, considering the tech advantage, so the writers made a bunch of shit up to make the story go along. I try to find ways that I could make it fit, but it just doesn't.
So, I've decided, screw SGU's plot. It didn't happen as far as I'm concerned.
GortonMichael 3 months ago
@GortonMichael Agreed bullshit on that, they are fucking farmer slaves and ship servants turned scientists that rivals earths??? In reality the Lucian Alliance should only have a few ships and barley keeping them running. I would have bought this more if a faction of the free Jafa sent 20 ships to that planet.
Baseshocks 2 weeks ago
@Baseshocks Even if they did, it still doesn't make sense. The nukes the 304s carry can destroy them in a single hit, and they carry dozens.
That's not even counting the asgard beams which oneshot them, but as "they were not installed yet" apparantly, meh.
Don't get how they're not installed anyway. SGU is set a year after the end of Atlantis, and in an alternate timeline that ship got built and finished around the start of season 5.
GortonMichael 2 weeks ago
when you said replicator ship, i was thinking SG1 replicators. This is an Ancient warship built by replicators.
Stubbee 4 months ago
The one thing i want to know is if the Asgard could make these beam weapons why have they never used them on their OWN ships?!
XFSXsnip3rX 7 months ago
@XFSXsnip3rX They developed them just before they committed mass suicide. These weapons were created to destroy Ori ships.
grodelreal 7 months ago
that is how u take out an enemy ship fire till there is nothing left to fire at.. they should do that in all their fights but rarely do
xadam2dudex 7 months ago
I want to see Tau'ri kick some Lucian alliance ass with these weapons :D
TheDeludedFactor 9 months ago 23
@TheDeludedFactor Well, the fact that they nerfed the Asgard Weapons in SGU was kind of annoying. The Hammond should have been able to mop the floor with 3 Ha'taks, no problem. But Mr. Mallozzi wants to sit here and say, "The Lucian Alliance modified their Ha'taks to be resistant to those weapons". How, exactly? They have NO access to Ancient/Ori tech, since during the war with the forces of the Ori, they were content to sit back and sell space corn.
fmcc0904 5 months ago
@fmcc0904
Seriosly? I haven't watched the universe that much so I didn't know that... Well that's just lame! In Atlantis Carter pawned two hiveships with a daedalus class ship with beam guns and now they are telling us we can't even destroy two Ha'taks with them? It's so easy to make things more exciting by putting the characters against more powerful enemy but this is just idiotism. Why not making the Lucian alliance have like 40+ Ha'taks against one daedalus. Would have been more "realistic".
TheDeludedFactor 5 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor Oh, I'm with you. But the plot-holes and ignorance of established canon in SGU caught up to them, eventually. For one thing, it's pretty funny that they run across at least 2 other planets with Naquadriah deposits when Jonas' planet (Langara) was clearly stated in SG-1 to be the only planet that Thanos conducted the Naquadriah research on. Hence why Anubis and later Ba'al were so interested in it. If the Milky Way had multiple planets with deposits, we'd have been dead meat.
fmcc0904 5 months ago
@fmcc0904
I know what you mean! No doupt Anubis or Ba'al would have found out of them. And then the one would have perfected it and used it to blow us all up to kingdom come. I can't believe it! Finally when the Universe starts to show up in stores in here I get the feeling that the whole thing is done with the expense of the other series and more "seasoned" fans.
TheDeludedFactor 5 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor SGU improved in Season 2, but only because they tried to sew up a few of the gaping plot holes that made the show essentially non-canon for most of Season 1 and the crew stopped grabbing at each other's throats. I'm not going to speak against watching SGU, especially since it's been canceled and is therefore no longer an ongoing affront to the SG franchise. But, let me recommend that you find a place to rent the first few episodes before committing to a purchase.
fmcc0904 5 months ago
@fmcc0904
Thanks for the tip ;)
TheDeludedFactor 5 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor Anytime. There were a few good single eps and even a few in sequence. The McKay one wasn't all that great, because they again gave the impression that a man with numerous degrees in astrophysics and engineering was subordinate in intelligence to a college dropout/gamer and, in all honestly, "God"ney McKay could have probably fixed every problem with the Destiny via communication stone. Also, it involved Langara, but there was no surprise cameo of Jonas Quinn. Jerks.
fmcc0904 5 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor Indeed; the fake that the Daedalus class, making mincemeat out of Ori and Ancient ships (the strongest known ships around, and both EASILY ripped apart fleets of Goa'uld motherships), for no reason at all didn't wipe out of hopped-up drug trafficers in badly-maintained salvaged Goa'uld ships from the entire Milky Way in under a week. A single ZPM-powered Daedalus can cross the entire galaxy in under an hour, the SGC should be able to destroy 100 ships in a day with no losses.
s2k997 4 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor The producers have been pulled this rubbish since SGA season 4. Suddenly wraith ships (and wraith in general) become cannon-fodder when in Season 1/2 they'd been so intimidating; and the Daedalus class able to destroy Ancient vessels with previously-unstoppable drones with zero damage. It all got watered down and sense vanished. A drone platform can defeat a whole Goa'uld fleet, a Daedalus can squat a drone platform with ease yet sits there scratching its backside at 2 Ha'taks?
s2k997 4 months ago
@TheDeludedFactor Even a single JUMPER can smash a Hatak apart with two mesely drones. A Daedalus with beam weapons and nuclear missiles capable of going right through Goa'uld shields is infinitely more dangerous. Yet apparently nobody on the bridge realised: "Hey, we can actually fire and win in two seconds, rather than sit here for half an hour for no reason". No nuke-missiles with shield modulators, no beamed/ringed-over nuclear warhead, not one beam-shot. Massive plot hole.
s2k997 4 months ago
@fmcc0904 Mallozzi invents excuses on the fly as mistakes are pointed out to him. When fans were upset that the beam weapons made the previously all-powerful Orion class into whimpy cannon-fodder he injected the excuse that the Asuran ships were inferior to the real Ancient Orion classes, to excuse the beam weapons' over-powered-ness. Then he says a bunch of drug-runners, thieves, and salvagers with zero advanced knowledge did what Ancients and Ori tech couldn't do, counter the beams.
s2k997 4 months ago
The Goa'uld couldn't measure up to the Asgard's power for millenia. The beam weapons are the best of their weapons technologies. So how is savaged Goa'uld technology, minus most of the Goa'uld's knowledge and understanding, completely understood by the new human owners to the point where they could boost their knowledge and capabilities beyond that of the Asgard, the Ancients, the Ori, or the Tau'ri? Their scientific base in far inferior, yet they've performed a magic miracle.
s2k997 4 months ago
@s2k997 You're preaching to the choir, here. I totally agree. Even if, and I stress IF the Alliance developed defensive capabilities that could withstand the beam weapons, that retcons and calls for such a massive suspension of disbelief that SGU should be stricken completely from Stargate canon. The reason is, they possess a far larger fleet than Earth, and if they have no reason to fear our Asgard weaponry, what keeps them from parking in orbit and blasting us into submission?
fmcc0904 4 months ago
@fmcc0904 Precisely, if they had the capability to withstand the weaponry, they wouldn't be trying to sneak bombs onto Earth, they'd send a single mothership and pound a few cities into dust, because apparently a Daedalus or three (if that many could respond at all) wouldn't be able to do Jack to stop them. I'd have accepted "The Hammond didn't have beam weapons installed yet" as far more plausable (but dumb, setting off without the main offensive capability) excuse.
s2k997 4 months ago
@fmcc0904 It's hits me as: both the Ori and Anubis, enemies armed with all the Ascended knowledge of the universe, or the Replicators, the most adaptable known species in the unverse, were sitting ducks to these weapons and unable to counter with all their knowhow and advances. So how did a bunch of drug-runners, heavily-armed thugs, and devided war lords more interested in making money and gaining power than 'bully the Earth', believably learn about and out-do the best technology of the Asgard?
s2k997 4 months ago
@s2k997 It's called retcon, and has been rampant in the franchise for some time. At least they kept it somewhat within reason (for the most part). But honestly, I think this was all part of the build-up that Wright and co. had in mind for the crew of the "wrong people" gradually (and ridiculously) becoming the foremost group to come out of the SGC. I wouldn't be surprised if the ultimate end of Universe would have seen the Destiny crew do something asinine like initiate the Big Bang.
fmcc0904 4 months ago
@s2k997 exactly I never bought into the idea that the Lucian alliance would be able to withstand the beam weapons, In the SGU they state that the Hammond did not have them installed, I doubt the lucian alliance could do anything to stop them
SArmagh681 1 month ago
@TheDeludedFactor The Lucian alliance are a back wash organization they are freed human slaves trying to get by, they are over powered considering the Jafa took over most of the Goa'uld fleet. Lucian Alliance should only have a few ships and the knowledge to barley run them.
Baseshocks 2 weeks ago
Humans and Asgards, the best convinations!
XiQu3sT 9 months ago
@Monton85 Normally I'd agree but the Ancients weapons are better, hell even the Asgard said so themselves on several different times
Lightingwarrior 9 months ago
@Lightingwarrior Yes but you need like a trillion tripple a batteries to power an ancient toaster lol.
Imilko 6 months ago
@Imilko True but but when they were fully powered they were near unstopable, plus at least when the ancients built something it lasted for a long time
Lightingwarrior 6 months ago
@Lightingwarrior Agreed.
Imilko 6 months ago
one thing wrong with the title... thats not a replicator warship, thats an Asuran built Aurora class. Its Lantian, like the Orion.
BMWM3GTRLOVER 10 months ago
@BMWM3GTRLOVER The Asurans are technically replicators, just not the same ones from the milky way galaxy.
beowulf500ad 9 months ago
I just love those beam weapons! Now if BC-304s were armed with drones AND a ZPM, they would be invincible!
starflame34 11 months ago 2
I think Annihilate is a strong word lets say destroy thats it
xxXlolXxx37 1 year ago
Fake.
dauntless111 1 year ago
@dauntless111 What the hell does that mean?
SppArrTaaN9 1 year ago
@dauntless111 No shit
NDC0383 1 year ago
@NDC0383 tell me you're disagreeing with him. that was like my #1 favorite example of ultimate BC-304 domination. totally real.
TonyEvans96 1 year ago
WE HAVE ASGARD WEAPONS, WE WILL FAK YOU.
PatabookG5 1 year ago 27
For the sake of being stupid which episode was this?
lyokofans 1 year ago
@lyokofans It is a Season 4 episode, they one where they destroy the Replicator home world.
NANOFORGE 1 year ago
@NANOFORGE BE ALL MY SINS REMEMBER'D
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kreetallHammond 1 year ago
The Asgard There Race Is Like Scientists Becuase They Like There Technology
KFH2DaFang 1 year ago
now that is how u destroy a ship u keep firing till there is nothing left to fire at
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
Yeah :) Nothing got through the Ori shields, until the Asgards made their Energy weapons :)
ta7910th 1 year ago
@ta7910th they made them with ancient knowledge o course
tiagom135 1 year ago
@ta7910th Don't forget drones! 10x13
Rikooooooo 1 year ago
I love the battle at the end of this episode. One of the more epic ones in the series.
1DeadlySAMURAI 1 year ago
OVERKILL.
But there replicators so whatever.
Kingrex16 1 year ago
asgard beam weapons are better then ancient drones
luked1021 2 years ago
hell no they arent the beams still have to go through the shields and be accurate, drones how ever can easily bypass the shields and take out key systems- destroying the ship with barely any shots, also while if the beams miss they still have to recharge for more shots drones if they miss they will circle around cause they are pretty much targeting ai. also 2 drones can destroy a hive ship is properly shot.
redman946 2 years ago
and you dont have to be facing the target to shoot with drones unlike the asgard beams,also drones can take out entire fleets while asgard beam weapons have to do it one by one
redman946 2 years ago
the only positive to the beams over the drones, is the RAW firepower, however as red mentioned, the drones simply bipass the shields
razgrizcl 2 years ago
crap earlier comment ddnt go thru >.> the beams have 2 advantages the one i listed above, and they have more raw firepower than the drones, BUT as red mentioned, the drones simply bipass the shields and circle back around. However there are ships out there with shields strong enough to withstand drones, so in those cases the beams would be a better suit.
razgrizcl 2 years ago
for all the fools out there that think the asgard should have downloaded their minds into cumputers
they planned on killing themselves much later but the ori ships found the planet due to the asgard core being activated
because of this there was no time to download themselves
angrykid616 2 years ago
Asgard Beam Weapons are the strongest weapons.
Be it Ori or Ancient warships, they crush them in a matter of seconds.
I wonder if one Asgard Beam is enough to destroy a Goa'uld Ha'tak.
LionelMessi1337 2 years ago
Ahh but the Wraith Super Hive is pretty much impervious to Asgard Beams. And you can rest assured that one shot from an Asgard beam would most likely take out a gould mother ship.
Generalkidd 2 years ago
ehh not impervious... just not extremely affected, they do about as much damage as drones against a hive simply cuz the hive is made of armor, in raw fire power the beams are stronger, but not neccessarily better the drones bipass MOST shields and act like tracking missles, so it depends on the situation which weapon is better, hehe itd be good to have both
razgrizcl 2 years ago
well supernova is enuff =D
and C4 :D (erm lets say that blown inside ;D)
toetagjeee 2 years ago
yeah id say but u wud have to shoot it where the pilot bit is - :)
joshua99999999 2 years ago
@LionelMessi1337 probably 1 beam could kill 5 hataks if they were lined up
jabroni1223 1 year ago
@jabroni1223 i doubt it .... it will blow up the hatak but it wont pass throug to the next. The main laser of the ori mothership on the otherhand ... would probably blow up 2 or 3 if they were lined up.
Arminski2008 1 year ago
@Arminski2008
perhaps..
the beams were created to be shield piercers rather then hull piercers
jabroni1223 1 year ago
@jabroni1223 If you mean the ori ships , yes they were made to be shield piercers but you can also see in the episode "camelot" you can see that the ori laser not only passes through the shield destroying the ship, it also passes through its hull. Asgard plasme beam cannons on the other hand would take a few shots to blow up a hatak.
Arminski2008 1 year ago
@Arminski2008 The Lantean defense satellite had an even more powerful weapon than the Asgard plasma beam and the Ori main weapon. It tore a Wraith hive in half with little effort. Imagine what it could do if it was fully operational. I can't see even Asgard shields lasting very long against that sort of power.
wilkoman3 1 year ago
@wilkoman3 True, true. But we still dont know what an ori mothership would perform against a wraith hive. And the satellite was only seen to fire upon a hive ship. So witch one is more powerfull remains unditermend, but id say they are even !
Arminski2008 1 year ago
why do the replicators here take human form and build ships when their "bodies" could survive in space on their own? it seems very inefficient and pointless to me...
fakedoctor1 2 years ago
If you are referring to the "spider ship" and the cruiser used by milky way-replicators, the answer is material. Neutronium is used to build the replicatorbodies in both galaxies, a rare element you don't want to waste. So the ships, much larger in size, need to be constructed by a material that is more abundant then neutronium.
osignerad 2 years ago
"Ah, I see!" said the blind-man. I forgot about the milky-way replicators eroding and rusting in the atlantic because of the iron they processed from that Russian sub.
fakedoctor1 2 years ago
Isn't it Asurans?
DaBossIsHere 2 years ago
yep, it's an Asuran warship. but, the Asurans were replicators
cairun 2 years ago
Also think about this. The ancient stopped advancing technologically thousands of years ago when they ascended.
The Asgards on the other hand continued to advance in the material world because they never reached ascension. The whole clone thing, remember? The Asgards probably had much more time to develop weaponry.
Dubanx 2 years ago
one thing alwayas bugged me abaout the asgard.....if they sufferd from that clone desease...and they would die out eventually...why didant they just dll there minds in a computer or some android boddyes.... at there tech they could easaly made one...thus they would have a long time to figure out there lil clone problem...and in one SGA episode daniel and Rodney met some rogue asgard that fixed the clone problem..... the asgard from our galaxy could have benefit from that <.<
man0204 2 years ago 4
i don't think the rogue Asgards in the Pegasus galaxy have fixed the cloning problem.
cairun 2 years ago
lol...watch the episode where they meet the rogue asgard...and u will see that the asgard leader there said they fixed it...aproximatly....that is why they are still alive .....
man0204 2 years ago
well, they have made significant advance, but they have not solved the problem.
cairun 2 years ago
the point beeiinggg...is that they are alive and our asgard are not..if only our asgard would ahve lived a lil more...then they would have benefit from these
man0204 2 years ago
if only the rogue asgard werent stuck up pricks O.o lol
razgrizcl 2 years ago
@razgrizcl nabs could have just made android bodyes
man0204 2 years ago
what? lol nabs?
razgrizcl 2 years ago
@razgrizcl yes XD
man0204 2 years ago
no as in what are nabs???
razgrizcl 2 years ago
@razgrizcl nabs = n00bs XD
man0204 2 years ago
... that doesnt even make sense
razgrizcl 2 years ago
@razgrizcl yes it does
man0204 2 years ago
@cairun they have made advances and they solved some of the problems.. omg just go and watch the episode and see for your self
man0204 2 years ago
right, they had more time to experiment. but i don't understand why daniel couldn't offer them a safe journey back to the milky way galaxy. by season 5, the ori are no longer a threat and there's lots of devestated planets to rebuild. i'm sure the rouge asgards coulda used a planet for themselves than stay in pegasus
TrainsitFan 2 years ago
they slowed it by doing research on humans i believe
SequelReviews 2 years ago
very good point. thor took control of anubis's ha'tak ship in season 6 of sg-1. i don't understand why they couldn't download their minds into a computer or machine bodies as you said.
TrainsitFan 2 years ago
or gave all theirs minds to the tauri to posibly one day rebirth them in a computer or w/e, instead of blowing themselves up
SmopuiM 2 years ago
@SmopuiM you know at there tech level... it would not be so hard to build some fu** machines in wich they can place there minds :| wtf was so hard <.< thats wath i hate abaout the asgard.... they couldav just made... android bodyes.... <.<
man0204 2 years ago
@man0204
Except that the Pegasus asgard didn't know about the other asgard (i think) and that they said they "Delayed" the problem, but didn't fix it.
Besides I seriously doubt its that easy to take someone's memories and consciousness and throw it into a computer... Let alone an entire race of beings. Chemical computers (like our brains) are far more complex.
Sunblazeer 1 year ago
@Sunblazeer this is sci fi... and its posbile there so dont come with this arguments here <.<
man0204 1 year ago
@Sunblazeer They could store their minds in devices like when they move from homeworlds, so why not do that and let sg1 fix the problem.
SmopuiM 1 year ago
PWNED
Por345 2 years ago
True about the drones and shields. If the SGC can begin to make their own copies of the drones and implement them eventually they will have an advantage. They could replace their crude missiles with the drones and still have the beam weapons. That would be interesting to say the least.
jkeelsnc 2 years ago 2
i think that happens in one episode i saw it on a youtube vid - but i cant tell if they were fired from the grund tho as to because the camera is at the back left centre angle so it is hard to see - but yesi think it happens in one episode :)
joshua99999999 2 years ago
They're not picking up TSCC, so I don't care much for SyFy.
FluffyBunniesOnFire 2 years ago
What episode is this from. I have not seen it. =-( Thanks for the help.
Kilogg 2 years ago
BE ALL MY SINS REMEMBER'D it's the 11th episode of season 4
CMarkley1989 2 years ago
i hope a gaould can control a wraith, and then put these hybrids to SGU.
FrapMocha 2 years ago
Actually, the Replicator ships aren't as good as the Ancient ships, the Ancient ships were better.
Also, remember, the ASGARD gave the humans the beam weapons, the Asgard were almost as tough as the ancients, and this many beam weapons? Beam weapons is the ultimate weapon in Stargate.
LordZanual 2 years ago
-, 2. best jea the drones can bypass shields the beams have to fire they way trough it and just to mention if this ship hase shields up it would give a nice battle to those 2 daedalus class CRUISERS(yes theyre no battleships or battlecruisers theyr just cruisers not more not less if stargate would go in another season maybe we would see the achilles battlecruiser and the excalibur battleship)
KoutaSeto 2 years ago
I loved this scene I whish they made like it the only problem I have is that they seem to have made the beam weapons like uber so nothing can beat them I mean isnt the replicator ships meant to be some of the best in stargate universe?
CymruAlteran 2 years ago
Well, without a doubt the Daeadalus Class Starships are some of the most powerful starships around. Even the Ori should respect the power of these little ships. After all those Asgard beams cut up the ori with ease. LOL
jkeelsnc 2 years ago 2
The ancients may not have been the most intelligent or numerous, but id put money on one of their aurora class ships vs 2 haataks
frasermc94 3 years ago
I would bet that one aurora can beat much more than 2 haataks..
haataks are low xD
bfrockz 2 years ago 2
And u also have to remember, the drone weapons bypass their shields. remember wut happened to Anubis once the Ancient outpost was activated?
keepinlow 2 years ago
yeah good point, lets face it, the wraith would have been owned if they werent so many
frasermc94 2 years ago
How come the replicator ships look like the ancient ship Orion?
XClone08 3 years ago
Because they made copy version from Ancient aurora class ship (etc. Orion is aurora class).
FinLumi 3 years ago
Not that the 304's have asgard everything they are pounded for pound the best ship out that, no solo ship besides a ZPM enchanced mothership can hope to win, Not the goaul'd Ha'taak nor a wraith hive ship not even a Ori mothership, we still havent see them go toe to toe with an O'neil class asgard ship but I think they would have the egde, oh and yeah at this point the asgard would be better than the ancient seeing they had another 10,000 years to advange!
TheLightningKing 3 years ago 2
Actully they did.. Ancient are basicly Ori tech x2. drones are just missles. You cant seriously say that the ancients THE most interligent race to EVER have lived have not made somthing as simple as beam weapons?
FrostFireCarbine 3 years ago
tbh, i think their ships had it, u look at the ships and they seem to have secondary beam cannons. We can't really say the Asurans REALLY copied the ancient version too well. For all we know, they could have left out lots of the stuff the ancients did. Plus drones already proved to be able to destroy a ori ship.
Amann0407 3 years ago
You guys know that the ancient has a platform similar the asgard beam weapons and when charged can cut a wraith ship in half (the siege pt.1)
calvin751 3 years ago
the defense satellite
ObiWan2244 3 years ago
as with all projectile weapons its effectiveness is based on supply of ammunition. The beam can compromise powerful targets and destroy only specified areas. But it can't take care of fighters foot soldiers or overwhelming numbers as well. Plus with all directed energy weapons lots of energy is required.
AntiEmo19 3 years ago
The Asgards have had alot of time to fine tune there weapons and make them as energy efficent as possible but yes you are correct, they do suck alot of power. Col Emerson usally orders HD power to the beam weapons to keep them firing.
32silvercoins 3 years ago
personally I believe the Asgard beam is like a scalpel and the ancient drone is like an anti virus. One focuses all power into a fairly small point to to compromise integrity or destroy a certain part while leaving the remainder intact. The other searches out based on perspective enemies and threats I think their both equally useful in their own ways. The drone can take out an entire invasion fleet with minimal collateral damage but needs extreme numbers to destroy large targets and
AntiEmo19 3 years ago
Lmao..so you point out a spelling mistake and that's supposed to prove something? I could easily point out your spelling mistakes as well, but I have more class than that. And pointing out spelling mistakes it truly the attitude of someone who lost the argument and knows it. And finally, English is not my first fucking language, so boo fucking hoo I am entitled to make spelling mistakes. Unless you can write my native language better than I can write in yours, you have no reason to brag.
PCoderch 3 years ago
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Lmao...religious fanboyism? Idiot, I am an atheist. And you are definitely unable to argue with me, given you can't refute anything I say.
P.S: I am going to fucking kill you. I am tracking you down through your IP address and I will murder your ass. You'll be seeing me soon.
PCoderch 3 years ago
Dude, I have tore you a new asshole in this argument. You are that faggot SSPuddlejumper from the gateworld forum. Maybe you die a thousand deaths, you piece of shit.
PCoderch 3 years ago
schade das die aurora klasse ihre schilde down hatte wäre nen interesanter kampf geworden dronen und durch ZPM's verbesserte schilde vs neue asgard waffentechnologie
KoutaSeto 3 years ago
Lol...I get angry when arguing with liars such as yourself. Besides, this is such a silly discussion anyway - technology of fictional TV show -, that it's not worth it for me to get grey hair over it.
And what would be the point of continuing it anyway? Arguing with you is a zero-sum game with a nincopoop.
PCoderch 3 years ago
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You are definitely SSPuddlejumper from the gateworld forum. Just shut the fuck up about your rhetoric, you stupid fuck. None of what you state is based on canon. Replicator Aurorasa re not real Auroras, you fucking retard. And the Asgard beamn destroyed the Aurora when it had just come o0ut of hyperspace and had it's shields down. Now shut the fuck up about your Asgard nut-hugging. even Thor would be disgusted by how you lick the balls of the Asgard.
PCoderch 3 years ago
nothing in stargate is overpowert eaven the new asgard weapones ther strong yea but less powerfull than the ori beam's because an ori battlecruiser can kill a ancient ship without shilds in one shot and the replicators have upgradet every singel part of the aurora class ship like in the normal stargate serie's hataks and eaven asgard ships
KoutaSeto 3 years ago
Ugh...when have we seen an Ori battleshit fighting an Aurora? You just talked out of your ass.
PCoderch 3 years ago 3
I am starting to think that EVariation is SSPuddlejumper from the gateworld forum. Lol...
PCoderch 3 years ago
We have never seen a real aurora in combat except when the Orion destroyed that hive in 3 seconds - yes, seconds -, so you can't say anything about Asgard ships being better than the Ancients'. Malozzi is the show's producer and one of it's writers, so what he says is canon. And the Asgard themselves considered the Ancients superior, so there you have your answer.
PCoderch 3 years ago 2
"We have never seen a real aurora in combat except when the Orion" What do you call the Travellers' Aurora, Scotch Mist? Stop bending the truth, we saw that one in two fights. If you argue by using false evidence then you are defeated at the start. Asgard were never ones to gloat or be prideful anyway. Besides of which, there was huge technology transfer and sharing of knowledge between the four former major races of the Milky Way, probably why the Nox and Ancients have cloaking technology.
s2k997 3 years ago
even if the asgard are gone their tecnology is the finest in 4 galaxis the milky way, the ori, pegasus and the asgard galaxy
arastorus 3 years ago
actualy the ancients where dead for thousands of years and the asgard caught up with them
also if you look properly you will see the shields werent activated on the araura class
also the asgard used ancient knowledge to upgrade their ships
angrykid616 3 years ago
The Asgard super-beam should be able to take out hives, yes, but not Auroras. This is retarded. The Ancients were even more advanced than the Agard, so how can they take out the Asurans' Auroras?
PCoderch 3 years ago
While I might not agree that Asgard technology is inferior to Ancient, as the Asgard have been cracking on with inventing for the 10,000 years since Ancients as a civilisation ended; the battle was retarded. The Replicator ships were firing drones one at a time. Come on, O'neill and Sheppard fire them by the hundreds in vast waves, and they couldn't manufacture more unlike the Replicators. The Plasma beams may be better, but the sheer number of drones in response should be in the thousands.
s2k997 3 years ago
The Asgard are a much younger race than the Ancients. The fact that the Ancients stopped advancing ten thousand years ago is irrelevant. Suppose the Ancients were a million years ahead of the Asgard ten thousand years ago. Well, then Ancient technology whould still be 990,000 years ahead of theirs today. Understand?
PCoderch 3 years ago
Not really. We have no fixed numbers on either of them, so your point is academic theory not canon. Not to mention time is a very poor indicator of science. We have made more scientific progress between 1950 and 2000 than we did between 1000 and 1600. Spending more years around in the galaxy doesn't automatically mean your technology is the best or the most superior. Understand?
s2k997 3 years ago
Idiot, it has been stated in cannon that the Ancients are millions of years old and had stargates 50 million years ago, while the Asgard were still travelling between the stars in suspended animation a mere 30,000 years ago, because their ships were so slow. If want to argue against canon, then you are defeated from the start. The Asgard themselves said that thye have barely scratched the surface of the Ancients' library of knowledge. Understand?
PCoderch 3 years ago
Great way to prove your point, insulting people. Anyway, you're still not escaping the fact that time doesn't equal level of advancement. And from what I saw above, the Asgard weapons just screwed over an Ancient Warship. Now you can either cling to the idea that because Asgard haven't been around as long makes them inferior for all time, or you can take the fact that their weapons just made garbage out of an Ancient ship. You can cling to backstory, but fact is fact, they kicked its ass.
s2k997 3 years ago
Joe Mallozi said in his blog that replicators Auroras are inferior to the real Ancient ones. Anyway, I am not getting into a pissing match with you because this is a silly discusion anyway and I have better things to do with my time. Farewell.
PCoderch 3 years ago
Considering I started this conversation mostly in agreement with you but one point, and you decided to sping around attacking that point and calling me an idiot, I'd say you're the one who turned this into a pissing contest. Perhaps you should consider being less aggressive and excited in your reasoning before you claim the moral high ground. Farewell to you.
s2k997 3 years ago
As for this clip: 'Now that's the way to do it!'
bbenjoe 3 years ago
the ori/ancients are the most advanced race in the stargate universe. I think the ancients, being the scientists, were more advanced, but were morons when it came to strategy. The asgard were using ancient databases to enhance their own technology as well, and they were only scratching the surface of it. It took like 6 shots to kill an ori ship.....
Amann0407 3 years ago
And yes Simdal, pay close attention to the episodes and their dialogues in 9x20, 10x1, and 10x20 and you'll see them talk about Ori shields fluctuating being its "weakness". Watch your Season 10 DVD again, pay close attention to the details, and you'll see that the Oddessy takes about 6 to 8 shots (count them) with the Asgard beams to take down an Ori ship.
PeoplesGeneral 3 years ago
Comments of "Asgard more powerful than Ori" because people see stuff like this yet fail to consider... If the Asgard were so powerful, why didn't they take on the Ori ships head to head when it came to the Asgard's new homeworld??? Hmmm...
Also you have to realise that the Writers were forced to cook up these crappy "deal with the enemy quickly" plotlines thanks to Sci-Fi Channel cancelling SG1. Otherwise we'd have more SG1 seasons and more struggles against the Ori.
PeoplesGeneral 3 years ago
umm because the asgard were at the brink of death maybe? you know... or did you not see unending?
Extremefighters 3 years ago
Indeed
DavidToddSchiesler 4 years ago
Then I guess the Ori shields are inferior huh? Cause if you dont remember the ori were putting the beat down on all when they came along... Dont you remember when 2 drone weapons destroyed 1 Hatak ship? where as the beam weapons need several shots, Not to mention the Drone weapons are smart weapons so if your going to want to hit something your damn sure ganna hit it with them.
Extremefighters 4 years ago
drones r superior when there r great numbers of ships
xvader7725 4 years ago
no i bet they would not bypass atlantises sheilds
xvader7725 4 years ago
Baseless betting is meaningless. We don't know either way, but even wraith weapons would have brought Atlantis' shields down within a day during The Seige, and these beam weapons are vastly superior. I'd say the shield would hold, until the continuous strain depleted the ZPM and then it collapses.
s2k997 4 years ago
No.. the Drone weapons still rule all
Extremefighters 4 years ago 3
yeah they destroyed anubises hole fleet over earth that was COOL
xvader7725 4 years ago
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Dada00007 4 years ago
may i ask how? This is youtube. The quality is worse
sstdog 4 years ago 5
Azgard beam rules..I like the asgards..they are more powerful than the Ori or raith..there only weakness was that they needed new bodies...
zoomfoom 4 years ago 3
Wraith
sstdog 4 years ago