This Wahabi Nutter (Faiz) Is Attributing Space To Allah S.W.T And Is Given Him Direction.
Ya Allah Guide These Misguided People Who Believe Wrong About You.
Glory Be Upon You, The Creator Of The Heavens And The Earth, He (Allah) Is In The East And The West. Allah S.W.T Is Everywhere. He Is All Seing. Allah S.W.T Created Time And Place. Allah S.W.T Is Free From His Creation And Anything That Is Limited.
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
Because, when somebody believes that all these are in the metaphorical sense then they deny the bodily features of Allaah and if features of Allaah is denied then they actually deny Allaah. Those who say that that is not Allaah's Hand but His Hand in the metaphorical sense, they are from the deviant Qadria and Mu'tazila. Let no Muslim speak in this way. [ Imaam Abu Hanifa. Fiqh-e-Akbaar Darul-Kutubul Ilmiiah, Beirut ]
Listen to What really Imam Abu Hanifah (rahimahu-Allah) said:
Allah has Hand, Face just as Allah has described in the Quran. In the description of the Holy Quran the face of Allah, His Hand, His body are his bodily features. We are not aware of the detailed description of all of this. Let not some one say that the Hand of Allah are his Hand in the metaphorical sense nor His eyes are His eyes in the metaphorical sense.
Jehovah almighty is the only true God . muslims like there Catholic brother enjoy war ! murdering and raping women and molesting kids is there way . Women are treated like dogs !
Allah is not in his creation nor is he floating on some chair up in the sky. He is above the throne and outside of creation. On the day of Judgement Allah will hold all of creation (including the throne) in His right hand and ask, "Where are your gods today....." This is a Saheeh Hadeeth and it clearly shows that Allah is outside of creation and not sitting on something or being supported by something like Asharis try to make people think we believe.
Imam Abu Haniefa: "Had He been in a place and needing to sit and rest before creating the Throne, then the question 'Where was Allah?' would have applied to Him, which is impossible... We assert that Allah is established on the throne without His need (haja) nor settlement (istiqrar) upon it, for He it is Who preserves the Throne and other than it without needing any of them." [Wasiyya]
If you mean above in the meaning of STATUS, then it's agreed. If you mean in the meaning of DIRECTION, then this is unacceptable.
Imam Abu Ja'far at Tahaawiy (from the Salaf) said:
'The six directions do not contain Him (Allah) as they contain all created things.' {Aqeedah Tahawiyyah}
The Salaf clearly said about Allah attributes: Bilaa kayf (without a how), not Bilaa Suaali Kayf (without asking how). Feiz is openly telling lies about the salaf. May Allah guide him
Allah Ta’ala is not attributed with limits nor ends, because limits, ends, space, place, directions, time, above, below, and everything else are all His creation. He, subhanahu wa Ta’ala, existed eternally when nothing else existed, i.e. no place, no space, no directions, no limits, no above no below, etc.. all those were brought into existence by Allah, who is not in need of them to exist, and existed before their creation without needing them.
@ibnfarooq11 Imaam al-Awzaa'ee (RA) (Died 157 AH): Said
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
Attributing Allah Ta’ala with being confined to the sky, heaven, or above the 7th heaven, sitting on a throne, consisting of organs and limbs, being a mass, governed by space or time, being limited by His creation….etc., leads to unambiguous blasphemy. Allah is The Creator, and He does not resemble the creation in anyway. Nothing is like Him. | AL-FIQH AL-AKBAR Al-Imam Al-A’tham Abu Hanifah (R.A.)
@ibnfarooq11 Imaam al-Awzaa'ee (RA) (Died 157 AH): Said
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
They reject the Book. If I was to grab the hair of one of them, I would cut it off. Indeed ALLAH THE MIGHTY THE MAJESTIC WAS ABOVE HIS THRONE BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, then He created the creation. So He wrote whatever would happen until the Day of Judgement and indeed the people proceed upon an affair that has already been concluded.
Ibn Abbaas (d. 68H): Allaah Was Above His Throne Before Creating Anything
Al-Hasan bin Uthmaan informed us, saying: Alee bin Muhammad bin az-Zubayr informed us, saying: Ibraaheem bin Abil-Anbas narrated to us, saying: Ya'laa bin Ubayd narrated to us from Sufyaan from Abu Haashim from Mujaahid, who said: It was said to Ibn Abbaas, "There are some people who speak with [the rejection] of al-Qadr!". So he said:
Imam Abu Hanifah, who is one of the authorities of as-Salaf, said in his book Al-Fiqh alAbsat: "Allah existed eternally and there was no place. He existed before creating the creation. He existed, and there was no place, creation, or thing; and He is the Creator of everything."
its soo simple ALlah is the one that created everything, and Allah is the al mighty and if Allah is in or above the heaven like you say, than place become mightier than Allah, because Allah is now dependent of PLACE TIME AND DIRECTION.
BUT ALLAH IS THE ONE THAT CREATED EVERYTHING !!! WHERE WAS ALLAH BEFORE HE CREATED THE CREATION???? well you can't say above the heaven because there was NO HEAVEN !
it's clear to me Allah is independent Allah exist without a place.
@Alik0511 Allah is characterised with being above everything, he is the most high Al-aliyy, he was the most high, high above everything before he created anything.
Ilm ul kalaam is know by the great scholars in Islam, seriously you are the first person that i have met that says something like that about ilm ul kalaam.
thats why i told you in the beginning that i don't want to discuss with you because it's waste of time, and you also believe in absurd things, Like Allah is in the heaven. Allah is the one that created the heaven and everything, Like Allah was before the creation, He is know in that state which means that He exist without place etc.
@Alik0511 like who? alawza'ee,imam ahmad, abu hanifa,as sahaafiy? imam bukhari, imam muslim? ishaq ibn raahaway, ibn abass, umar, abu bakr? these great scholars and sahabis never delved into ilm ul kalaam.
@akhysalafy thats because they already know that! it's a science that will learn us to think and not to think in absurd things like Allah exist with place.
Allah is the one that created place and like Allah was in the Azal, He is now like He was in the Azal, in other words Allah exist without a place and is absolutely independent, like Imaam At tahaawiy said, and all the salaf!
one last thing to say to you: ''To you be your Way, and to me mine.'' [109:6]
now im going to end this discussion with a saying of Imaam ABoe Hanifah RahimahuLlah:
THere was a person that asked Imaam Aboe Hanifa where is ALlah? Imaam ABoe Hanifa said: ALlah there and there was no WHERE and no creation and there wasn't even one thing except ALlah.
Here Imaam ABoe hanifa said that WHERE is also a creation of ALlah because where referes to place time and directions, and those things are created by ALlah
@Alik0511 if it wasnt permissible to say WHERE in the right of Allah, the prophet would have never asked it. The prophet peace be upon him is more knowledgeble of Allah than all of us, including Abu hanifa. besides Abu hanifa made it clear that whoever says i dont know where Allah is , is a kaafir he said Allah is above his throne just like he informed us in his book.
@akhysalafy yeah but that doesnt mean that ALlah is ABOVE THE ARSH its common sense that Allah exist without a place, or else place is mightier and God becomes dependent of the ARSH (place) but ALlah says in the holy Quran surah ikhlaas verse 2 Allah is independent.
And Sayyidunaa Ali said in at tabsirah from imaam aboe mansur at tamimi:
verily Allah has created in the arsh event (ie from evidence) of his omnipotence, and he has not taken place for themselves.
@Alik0511 la hawlawalaquwatailabillah, the quran made it clear in some many ayats that Allah is above the throne, the prophet himself said it in so many ahadeeth.
@Alik0511 dont use your common sense when it comes to Allah, use the revealed text, use your sense can not comprehend him, dont apply the logic that apply to the creation to right of Allah. Meaning if Iam in a place it means the place contains me, thats why when Allah and his messenger say Allah is above the arsh, you automatically comparee him to his creation, then you deny the text.
Allah being above the arsh doent mean he needs it, the sun is above the earth, the sun has no need of the earth
@akhysalafy dude if you are going to quote something from Imam Abu Hanifa RamihuLlah then Quote EVERYTHING! not only one part of it. Imam Abu Hanifa RahimahuLlah clearly says that Allah exist without a place and He is the creator of place and of everything!
@Alik0511 5.A woman asked Abu Haneefah, “Where is your Lord whom you worship” So he said, “Verily Allah the Exalted is above the sky (fis-samaa`), not in the earth.” So a man said to him, `Have you seen the statement of Allah the Exalted, “And He is with you.” (57:4) He said, “He is as you are when you write to a man, `Verily I am with you,’ whilst you are absent from him” (al-Asmaa was-Sifaat).
if you are saying that ALlah is above the creation than place become mightier than ALlah because He is in a place now, But ALlah is the AL mighty.
And by the way the question where is ALlah is a contradiction, because where referes to PLACE TIME DIRECTION, and those are created by ALlah, where only applies to His creation and not the creator Himself,
@Alik0511 thats philosophy. place, six direction and space exist only within the universe.Allah is outside his creation where he aone exist, Allah doesnt exist within the creation. So do not fight the text with your intellect.
if you say separated it also means in a matter of place. like this if im going to place my hands on each other, they are now together. now im going to seperate my hands which means they are now not on each other but they are seperated, the other hand is above the other. so think about what you are saying. you true must use your sense to know what you are saying, thats why it's really important to study ilm ul kalaam.
@Alik0511 id ont use my intellect when it comes to the attributes and dhaat of Allah, i just have to believe in what has come in the text. our intellect cant comprehend nor phanthom him jallahjalallah. Listen, there is nothing above the arsh except Allah.
@Alik0511 ilm ul kalam? that was not known by the sahabas.its originated from the greek pagans. the understanding of the text by the sahabas is enough.
@akhysalafy so i close this discussion, if you want to stay at your opinion go ahead, its soo clear that Allah exist without a place, thats the believe of the salaf and the believe of the Muslim Ummah, if you want to know what the other meanings are of the mutashaabih you should read from tafsirs.
Allah is not like His creation (surah ashura verse 11)
ALlah is independent (surah ikhlaas verse 2)
if you are saying ALlah is in heave that means that ALlah is dependent of place, continues..
@akhysalafy ABOVE IS A DIRECTION and directions are created by Allah and the same way goes with the heavens i have a question for you where was Allah before He created the heavens and the directions???
@Alik0511 Allah was in uluw, he is Al aliy, before he created anything. He rose above the arsh after he created the creation. dont try to understnad this with your intellect, cause there is nothing like unto him he is all hearer and he sees all.
@Alik0511 we must steak to the wording of the book and the sunnah when it comes to Allah, if we wanna be upon the truth.The wording Allah exixst without a place , doent exist in the book or the sunnah, rather Allah being above the arsh, above the heavens is found in the book and the sunnah.
@akhysalafy last words for you, ALlah is not like His creation, ALlah exist now like He was in the AZAL (before the creation was created) i know what the problem is with you, i see that you doesn't know what TA wiel is, ta wiel isnt twisting the words like many ppl say, it's just translating the Ayah in the context, like in surah al araaf thats one example of a mutashaabih ayah which mean figuratively, the sahaba's also use the ta wiel like Abdullah bin Abbaas the tar dju man al quraan.
@Alik0511 I agree that he exist now like he was, he had all his attributes with his eternally, he is Al-aliyy the most high, he was the most high before he created anything, he rose above the arsh after he created the creation this is one of his actions, he does it when he wills.
@akhysalafy So you are saying that Allah rose above the arsh after He created the ARSH? look what you are sayin Astagfirullah now you clearly say that Allah is dependent of the Arsh, and He becomes dependent of place and directions but Allah is the one that is ABOSULUTELY INDEPENDENT so no place no time no direcntions etc. And you still dont get it, there are FIGURATIVELY AYAH in the Quran if you wonder what those ayah means read TAFSIRS !!!!
continues, because place is a creation of Allah subhana Wa ta ala and where was Allah before he created the creation? well than you cant say that He is Above everything because there was nothing except ALlah and Allah is independent like Allah says in surah al ikhlaas verse number 2 Allahussamad which means Allah is independent, and if you say that ALlah is above everything that means that He is dependent of PLACE DIRECTION AND TIME, and we ALL know that Allah is independent.
@Alik0511 Allah was above everything before he created the creation, because the Al-aliyy is one of the attributes of Allah, we believe Allah existed eternally with all his attributes. to say that we cant say he was above everything because there was nothing except him ja'la jallalah is falsehood, beacause Allah was the creator before he created anything, Allah didnt gain the attribute of creation after he created the creations, he was always eternally the creator.
You are delusional. Didn't Allah create all places? Doesn't that mean Allah existed without a place? Of course. Allah dloes not change, change is for the better or for the worse. Hence, Allah exists without a place.
It was related by Hafidh Al-Bayhaqiyy that Prophet Muhammad said "O Allah you are Adh-Dhahir and there is nothing above you, and O Allah you are Al-Batin and there is nothing below you."
@TRUTHOFISLAM THe sahaba's believed that Allah exist without a place Sayyidiunaa Ali Bin Abie Tallib Said: Allah is eternally existent and place is not, and he still exists as HE eternally was (i.e. without a place )
Al Farqu Baynal Firaaq Narrated by Imam Abu Mansoer Al bahdaady
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I hope this help.
And i dont understand why you are laughing, this Feiz Guy Compare Allah with the Human Being That is Absolutely KUFR !
@akhysalafy Dude you should study more. The believe of the salaf is that Allah exist without a place, and you must know that a hadith can be figuratively like this one, the holy prophet peace be upon him said: the paradise is under the feet of the mothers'' Awkamaa Qaal.
and by the way about the hadith if you read fathul baari written by imaam ibn hajaar al asqalani, you can read there that the women wasn't able to talk and pointed to the SKY in the meaning of STATUS and not PLACE, continues.
@Alik0511 bring me a quote from a salaf who died prior to 400 hijri that says Allah exist without a place.just one quote. yes the paradise is under the feet of mothers like the prophet said. And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[3:55] this ayah clearly shows that Allah is in uluw, dont tell me Allah will raise Issa to his status.
@akhysalafy and see what the tafsir says about this ayah. Allah exist without a place see your pm message. well are you going to say that Allah is able to forget because Allah says in surah al araaf verse 51: Today we shall NANSAAHUM them like they forgot this day. well if you are going to translate it literally than you will translate the word nansaahum with FORGET, but forgetting doesnt apply to Allah so we are going to translate it in the CONTEXT like Abdullah Bin abbas translated it....
@akhysalafy ABdullah Bin Abbaas translated the ayah sural al araaf verse 51 the word NANSAAHUUM with LEAVE and not FORGET because ALlah isn't able to forget because He knows everything! you must know what a GOD is than you will be able to understand, i suggest you should read al fiqh al absat and al fiqh al akbar from Imaam Aboe Hanifa rahimahuLlah, in those book you will see that Allah exist without a place etc...
@Alik0511 abdullah ibn Abbas was right, cause Allah made clear in his book that he doesnt forget in the sense of arasing something from his memory when he said in his glorious book" To Him belongs what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between those two; and your Lord is never FORGETFUL"quran(19-64)
[Musa (Moses)] said: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord, in a Record. My Lord neither errs nor He forgets."
@Alik0511 nobody said Allah exist ina place, if you say that believeing that Allah ios above the heavens is kufr, your accusing Allah and his messenger of promoting kufr waliyazubillah. Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]
@akhysalafy You must know like in the example of surah al araaf verse 51, that there are ayah that you can't translate it literally, you must translate it in the context, i also told you to check tafsir al qurtubi surah ali imraan verse 7 about the mutashaabih and muhkamaat, and now i see that you are saying that ALlah exist without a place, if i read your other comments you clearly say that ALlah is above the creation
@Alik0511 The Hadeeth of Abu Hurairah: That the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: The Angels take successions regarding you, the angels through the night and the angels through the day. They gather [at the time of] the Fajr prayr and the Asr prayer, then those who remained with you through the night ASCEND UP TO HIM and He asks them - and He is most-knowledgeable of them (his servants) - "How have you left my servants?" And they (the angels) say, "..........praying".
@TRUTHOFISLAM No he is not Denying the Ayah You are translating the Ayah literally And there are Mutashabih Ayah And Muhkamaat Ayah's in the Holy Quran Go Read Tafsir Al Qurtubi About Surah Ali Imraan Ayah 7 !
@akhysalafy he didn't say where he said AYNA which means literally where but it also has other meanings like what is the status etc.
you must translate it in the context dude like i said there are hadith that contains figuratively meanings. Im not going to discuss with people like you i did this soo many times, i know the arguments that you are going to use, i better spend my time to study the Aqeedah of the Salaf As saalih than talking with ppl like you.
@Alik0511 lol, the people of falsehood always run away when confronted with the clear text from the book and the sunnah, because they destroy baatil. No mubtadi'ee creation can face them, they destroy everything thing you pull outa your intellects.
its like saying WAAHID doesnt mean one, we must just say Allah is waahid to non aranic speakers.
@akhysalafy you must know the diffrence between Ta'wiel and Tafwied, and the diffrence between a mutashaabih ayah and a Muhkamaat read tafsir al qurtubi surah ali imraan verse 7,
by the way i discussed with so many ppl like you on the internet, but i see that it's waste of time there are soo many Aqeedah books of the salaf as saalih such as Aqeedah Tahawiyyah, al fiqh al akbar al fiqh al absat etc etc....... All the salaf believed that Allah exist without a place
@akhysalafy Imaam At tahaawiy rahimahuLlah clearly says that ALlah is absolutely independent, and DIRECTIONS does not apply to ALlah and the same goes for place and time etc.
@akhysalafy yeah in the meaning with STATUS and not literally, if we say Allahu Akbar, do we mean Allah is GREAT in the meaning with SIZE? no it means ALlah is the al mighty. so it's not the literally meaning.
This Wahabi Nutter (Faiz) Is Attributing Space To Allah S.W.T And Is Given Him Direction.
Ya Allah Guide These Misguided People Who Believe Wrong About You.
Glory Be Upon You, The Creator Of The Heavens And The Earth, He (Allah) Is In The East And The West. Allah S.W.T Is Everywhere. He Is All Seing. Allah S.W.T Created Time And Place. Allah S.W.T Is Free From His Creation And Anything That Is Limited.
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
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"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
choudry1231 5 months ago
Because, when somebody believes that all these are in the metaphorical sense then they deny the bodily features of Allaah and if features of Allaah is denied then they actually deny Allaah. Those who say that that is not Allaah's Hand but His Hand in the metaphorical sense, they are from the deviant Qadria and Mu'tazila. Let no Muslim speak in this way. [ Imaam Abu Hanifa. Fiqh-e-Akbaar Darul-Kutubul Ilmiiah, Beirut ]
theoneandonlymak 6 months ago
Listen to What really Imam Abu Hanifah (rahimahu-Allah) said:
Allah has Hand, Face just as Allah has described in the Quran. In the description of the Holy Quran the face of Allah, His Hand, His body are his bodily features. We are not aware of the detailed description of all of this. Let not some one say that the Hand of Allah are his Hand in the metaphorical sense nor His eyes are His eyes in the metaphorical sense.
theoneandonlymak 6 months ago
Jehovah almighty is the only true God . muslims like there Catholic brother enjoy war ! murdering and raping women and molesting kids is there way . Women are treated like dogs !
Marlin0865 7 months ago
As a kid we are told ''Allah is everywhere'', what our parents mean is ''Allahs knowledge encompasses everything'.
This is a crucial thing to understand. Even at sajdah what we say: subhanerabbiyel a'le . A'le means high, so he is not around us but up above.
We need to learn and seek knowledge and learn. Allah te a'le raises those who seek knowledge.
Cimbom1990GS 7 months ago
Allah is not in his creation nor is he floating on some chair up in the sky. He is above the throne and outside of creation. On the day of Judgement Allah will hold all of creation (including the throne) in His right hand and ask, "Where are your gods today....." This is a Saheeh Hadeeth and it clearly shows that Allah is outside of creation and not sitting on something or being supported by something like Asharis try to make people think we believe.
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MadMoeOnTheRadio 8 months ago
whoever says allah is not above his throne he is a kafir according to imam abu hanifa ra the first people to deny this was the jahmiyah.
choudry7861 1 year ago
@choudry7861
Imam Abu Haniefa: "Had He been in a place and needing to sit and rest before creating the Throne, then the question 'Where was Allah?' would have applied to Him, which is impossible... We assert that Allah is established on the throne without His need (haja) nor settlement (istiqrar) upon it, for He it is Who preserves the Throne and other than it without needing any of them." [Wasiyya]
hytata 1 year ago
@choudry7861
If you mean above in the meaning of STATUS, then it's agreed. If you mean in the meaning of DIRECTION, then this is unacceptable.
Imam Abu Ja'far at Tahaawiy (from the Salaf) said:
'The six directions do not contain Him (Allah) as they contain all created things.' {Aqeedah Tahawiyyah}
The Salaf clearly said about Allah attributes: Bilaa kayf (without a how), not Bilaa Suaali Kayf (without asking how). Feiz is openly telling lies about the salaf. May Allah guide him
hytata 1 year ago
Allah Ta’ala is not attributed with limits nor ends, because limits, ends, space, place, directions, time, above, below, and everything else are all His creation. He, subhanahu wa Ta’ala, existed eternally when nothing else existed, i.e. no place, no space, no directions, no limits, no above no below, etc.. all those were brought into existence by Allah, who is not in need of them to exist, and existed before their creation without needing them.
ibnfarooq11 1 year ago 12
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@ibnfarooq11 Imaam al-Awzaa'ee (RA) (Died 157 AH): Said
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
choudry1231 5 months ago
Attributing Allah Ta’ala with being confined to the sky, heaven, or above the 7th heaven, sitting on a throne, consisting of organs and limbs, being a mass, governed by space or time, being limited by His creation….etc., leads to unambiguous blasphemy. Allah is The Creator, and He does not resemble the creation in anyway. Nothing is like Him. | AL-FIQH AL-AKBAR Al-Imam Al-A’tham Abu Hanifah (R.A.)
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@ibnfarooq11 Imaam al-Awzaa'ee (RA) (Died 157 AH): Said
"We, whilst the students of the Successors were many, would say that indeed Allaah, the Most Perfect, is above His Throne and we believe in what is related in the Sunnah about the Attributes."
(Imam Ibn Hajar (RA) graded its isnaad as being jayyid (ie Strong) in Fath al-Baaree Vol 13/ Pg 406)
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@akhysalaf
haha look what you are saying, you said: '' ALLAH THE MIGHTY THE MAJESTIC WAS ABOVE HIS THRONE BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING ''
there was no ABOVE because above is a direction and there was NOTHING except Allah, so there was no ARSh. no ABOVE (direction)
you are translating it wrong, its in the meaning of exalted. Al a3laa means in this context EXALTED. you translated it wrong -.-
Alik0511 1 year ago
They reject the Book. If I was to grab the hair of one of them, I would cut it off. Indeed ALLAH THE MIGHTY THE MAJESTIC WAS ABOVE HIS THRONE BEFORE HE CREATED ANYTHING, then He created the creation. So He wrote whatever would happen until the Day of Judgement and indeed the people proceed upon an affair that has already been concluded.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
Ibn Abbaas (d. 68H): Allaah Was Above His Throne Before Creating Anything
Al-Hasan bin Uthmaan informed us, saying: Alee bin Muhammad bin az-Zubayr informed us, saying: Ibraaheem bin Abil-Anbas narrated to us, saying: Ya'laa bin Ubayd narrated to us from Sufyaan from Abu Haashim from Mujaahid, who said: It was said to Ibn Abbaas, "There are some people who speak with [the rejection] of al-Qadr!". So he said:
akhysalafy 1 year ago
Imam Abu Hanifah, who is one of the authorities of as-Salaf, said in his book Al-Fiqh alAbsat: "Allah existed eternally and there was no place. He existed before creating the creation. He existed, and there was no place, creation, or thing; and He is the Creator of everything."
AlsunnaOrg 1 year ago
its soo simple ALlah is the one that created everything, and Allah is the al mighty and if Allah is in or above the heaven like you say, than place become mightier than Allah, because Allah is now dependent of PLACE TIME AND DIRECTION.
BUT ALLAH IS THE ONE THAT CREATED EVERYTHING !!! WHERE WAS ALLAH BEFORE HE CREATED THE CREATION???? well you can't say above the heaven because there was NO HEAVEN !
it's clear to me Allah is independent Allah exist without a place.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 Allah is characterised with being above everything, he is the most high Al-aliyy, he was the most high, high above everything before he created anything.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
Ilm ul kalaam is know by the great scholars in Islam, seriously you are the first person that i have met that says something like that about ilm ul kalaam.
thats why i told you in the beginning that i don't want to discuss with you because it's waste of time, and you also believe in absurd things, Like Allah is in the heaven. Allah is the one that created the heaven and everything, Like Allah was before the creation, He is know in that state which means that He exist without place etc.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 like who? alawza'ee,imam ahmad, abu hanifa,as sahaafiy? imam bukhari, imam muslim? ishaq ibn raahaway, ibn abass, umar, abu bakr? these great scholars and sahabis never delved into ilm ul kalaam.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy thats because they already know that! it's a science that will learn us to think and not to think in absurd things like Allah exist with place.
Allah is the one that created place and like Allah was in the Azal, He is now like He was in the Azal, in other words Allah exist without a place and is absolutely independent, like Imaam At tahaawiy said, and all the salaf!
one last thing to say to you: ''To you be your Way, and to me mine.'' [109:6]
I believe like the salaf believed !
Alik0511 1 year ago
ok one last thing before im going to end this i want to close this discussion with a DUA.
May ALlah guide us all on the right path.
Ameen!
Alik0511 1 year ago
now im going to end this discussion with a saying of Imaam ABoe Hanifah RahimahuLlah:
THere was a person that asked Imaam Aboe Hanifa where is ALlah? Imaam ABoe Hanifa said: ALlah there and there was no WHERE and no creation and there wasn't even one thing except ALlah.
Here Imaam ABoe hanifa said that WHERE is also a creation of ALlah because where referes to place time and directions, and those things are created by ALlah
Where, when, kayf etc. does not apply to Allah.
shoukran
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 if it wasnt permissible to say WHERE in the right of Allah, the prophet would have never asked it. The prophet peace be upon him is more knowledgeble of Allah than all of us, including Abu hanifa. besides Abu hanifa made it clear that whoever says i dont know where Allah is , is a kaafir he said Allah is above his throne just like he informed us in his book.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy yeah but that doesnt mean that ALlah is ABOVE THE ARSH its common sense that Allah exist without a place, or else place is mightier and God becomes dependent of the ARSH (place) but ALlah says in the holy Quran surah ikhlaas verse 2 Allah is independent.
And Sayyidunaa Ali said in at tabsirah from imaam aboe mansur at tamimi:
verily Allah has created in the arsh event (ie from evidence) of his omnipotence, and he has not taken place for themselves.
i hope this is clear.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 la hawlawalaquwatailabillah, the quran made it clear in some many ayats that Allah is above the throne, the prophet himself said it in so many ahadeeth.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@Alik0511 dont use your common sense when it comes to Allah, use the revealed text, use your sense can not comprehend him, dont apply the logic that apply to the creation to right of Allah. Meaning if Iam in a place it means the place contains me, thats why when Allah and his messenger say Allah is above the arsh, you automatically comparee him to his creation, then you deny the text.
Allah being above the arsh doent mean he needs it, the sun is above the earth, the sun has no need of the earth
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy dude if you are going to quote something from Imam Abu Hanifa RamihuLlah then Quote EVERYTHING! not only one part of it. Imam Abu Hanifa RahimahuLlah clearly says that Allah exist without a place and He is the creator of place and of everything!
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 5.A woman asked Abu Haneefah, “Where is your Lord whom you worship” So he said, “Verily Allah the Exalted is above the sky (fis-samaa`), not in the earth.” So a man said to him, `Have you seen the statement of Allah the Exalted, “And He is with you.” (57:4) He said, “He is as you are when you write to a man, `Verily I am with you,’ whilst you are absent from him” (al-Asmaa was-Sifaat).
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy Fis samaa in the meaning of STATUS place does not apply to Allah !
Alik0511 1 year ago
contines to akhysalafy
if you are saying that ALlah is above the creation than place become mightier than ALlah because He is in a place now, But ALlah is the AL mighty.
And by the way the question where is ALlah is a contradiction, because where referes to PLACE TIME DIRECTION, and those are created by ALlah, where only applies to His creation and not the creator Himself,
Imaam Aboe Hanifa said in al fiq al absat:
(continues..)
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 thats philosophy. place, six direction and space exist only within the universe.Allah is outside his creation where he aone exist, Allah doesnt exist within the creation. So do not fight the text with your intellect.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
if you say separated it also means in a matter of place. like this if im going to place my hands on each other, they are now together. now im going to seperate my hands which means they are now not on each other but they are seperated, the other hand is above the other. so think about what you are saying. you true must use your sense to know what you are saying, thats why it's really important to study ilm ul kalaam.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 id ont use my intellect when it comes to the attributes and dhaat of Allah, i just have to believe in what has come in the text. our intellect cant comprehend nor phanthom him jallahjalallah. Listen, there is nothing above the arsh except Allah.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@Alik0511 ilm ul kalam? that was not known by the sahabas.its originated from the greek pagans. the understanding of the text by the sahabas is enough.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy AstagfiruLlah ! know i know you doesn't even know what the sahaba's knew etc.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@akhysalafy so i close this discussion, if you want to stay at your opinion go ahead, its soo clear that Allah exist without a place, thats the believe of the salaf and the believe of the Muslim Ummah, if you want to know what the other meanings are of the mutashaabih you should read from tafsirs.
Allah is not like His creation (surah ashura verse 11)
ALlah is independent (surah ikhlaas verse 2)
if you are saying ALlah is in heave that means that ALlah is dependent of place, continues..
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 we say Allah is ABOVE the heavens, not inside the heavens.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy ABOVE IS A DIRECTION and directions are created by Allah and the same way goes with the heavens i have a question for you where was Allah before He created the heavens and the directions???
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 Allah was in uluw, he is Al aliy, before he created anything. He rose above the arsh after he created the creation. dont try to understnad this with your intellect, cause there is nothing like unto him he is all hearer and he sees all.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@Alik0511 we must steak to the wording of the book and the sunnah when it comes to Allah, if we wanna be upon the truth.The wording Allah exixst without a place , doent exist in the book or the sunnah, rather Allah being above the arsh, above the heavens is found in the book and the sunnah.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy last words for you, ALlah is not like His creation, ALlah exist now like He was in the AZAL (before the creation was created) i know what the problem is with you, i see that you doesn't know what TA wiel is, ta wiel isnt twisting the words like many ppl say, it's just translating the Ayah in the context, like in surah al araaf thats one example of a mutashaabih ayah which mean figuratively, the sahaba's also use the ta wiel like Abdullah bin Abbaas the tar dju man al quraan.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 I agree that he exist now like he was, he had all his attributes with his eternally, he is Al-aliyy the most high, he was the most high before he created anything, he rose above the arsh after he created the creation this is one of his actions, he does it when he wills.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy So you are saying that Allah rose above the arsh after He created the ARSH? look what you are sayin Astagfirullah now you clearly say that Allah is dependent of the Arsh, and He becomes dependent of place and directions but Allah is the one that is ABOSULUTELY INDEPENDENT so no place no time no direcntions etc. And you still dont get it, there are FIGURATIVELY AYAH in the Quran if you wonder what those ayah means read TAFSIRS !!!!
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Alik0511 1 year ago
continues, because place is a creation of Allah subhana Wa ta ala and where was Allah before he created the creation? well than you cant say that He is Above everything because there was nothing except ALlah and Allah is independent like Allah says in surah al ikhlaas verse number 2 Allahussamad which means Allah is independent, and if you say that ALlah is above everything that means that He is dependent of PLACE DIRECTION AND TIME, and we ALL know that Allah is independent.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 Allah was above everything before he created the creation, because the Al-aliyy is one of the attributes of Allah, we believe Allah existed eternally with all his attributes. to say that we cant say he was above everything because there was nothing except him ja'la jallalah is falsehood, beacause Allah was the creator before he created anything, Allah didnt gain the attribute of creation after he created the creations, he was always eternally the creator.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
sheytan!
volimislam 1 year ago
Allah exist without place time directions etc
Surah Iglaas ayah 2: Allah is independent.
so Allah is not in heaven like this feiz believes. THIS IS ABOSOLUTELY KUFR!
if you believe that Allah exist with place then Allah is dependent of PLACE TIME DIRECTIONS etc.
How can He be dependent of place time directions if he is the creator if these things ?
where does not apply to Allah! bcuz where refers to PLACE TIME DIRECTIONS etc. And Allah is the creator of PLACE TIME DIRECTIONS!
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 you are crazy :) MashaAllah what an akidah you have. You don't know what "kufr" means :) hahahah
Then you have to explain "istiwa alel arsh"... Allah SAID WHERE HE IS... :)
You have taken one ayat an d you want to prove yourself :) Is that the only surah you know? :) hahaha
Kufr believes... :) Allah says ISTIWA ALEL ARSH and you deny :) MashaAllah :) Did the sahaba understand this ayat so?
TRUTHOFISLAM 1 year ago
@TRUTHOFISLAM
You are delusional. Didn't Allah create all places? Doesn't that mean Allah existed without a place? Of course. Allah dloes not change, change is for the better or for the worse. Hence, Allah exists without a place.
It was related by Hafidh Al-Bayhaqiyy that Prophet Muhammad said "O Allah you are Adh-Dhahir and there is nothing above you, and O Allah you are Al-Batin and there is nothing below you."
MrYusuf99 1 year ago
@MrYusuf99
When you recite hadith that are not in Bukhari and Muslim you have to say who said that this hadith is saheeh
And secondly. I don't talk with innovators and you are one of them.
TRUTHOFISLAM 1 year ago
@MrYusuf99 totally true!
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 You say than that Sahabah were Kuffar mashaAllah!! :)
TRUTHOFISLAM 1 year ago
@TRUTHOFISLAM THe sahaba's believed that Allah exist without a place Sayyidiunaa Ali Bin Abie Tallib Said: Allah is eternally existent and place is not, and he still exists as HE eternally was (i.e. without a place )
Al Farqu Baynal Firaaq Narrated by Imam Abu Mansoer Al bahdaady
go and watch this movie,
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I hope this help.
And i dont understand why you are laughing, this Feiz Guy Compare Allah with the Human Being That is Absolutely KUFR !
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 this athar is not authentic, its originated from a rafidi. we dont use shia hadeeth or athar as a daleel.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy Dude you should study more. The believe of the salaf is that Allah exist without a place, and you must know that a hadith can be figuratively like this one, the holy prophet peace be upon him said: the paradise is under the feet of the mothers'' Awkamaa Qaal.
and by the way about the hadith if you read fathul baari written by imaam ibn hajaar al asqalani, you can read there that the women wasn't able to talk and pointed to the SKY in the meaning of STATUS and not PLACE, continues.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 bring me a quote from a salaf who died prior to 400 hijri that says Allah exist without a place.just one quote. yes the paradise is under the feet of mothers like the prophet said. And when Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself'."[3:55] this ayah clearly shows that Allah is in uluw, dont tell me Allah will raise Issa to his status.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy the paradise is under the feet of the mothers, this hadith is figuratively and not literally.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@akhysalafy and see what the tafsir says about this ayah. Allah exist without a place see your pm message. well are you going to say that Allah is able to forget because Allah says in surah al araaf verse 51: Today we shall NANSAAHUM them like they forgot this day. well if you are going to translate it literally than you will translate the word nansaahum with FORGET, but forgetting doesnt apply to Allah so we are going to translate it in the CONTEXT like Abdullah Bin abbas translated it....
Alik0511 1 year ago
@akhysalafy ABdullah Bin Abbaas translated the ayah sural al araaf verse 51 the word NANSAAHUUM with LEAVE and not FORGET because ALlah isn't able to forget because He knows everything! you must know what a GOD is than you will be able to understand, i suggest you should read al fiqh al absat and al fiqh al akbar from Imaam Aboe Hanifa rahimahuLlah, in those book you will see that Allah exist without a place etc...
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 abdullah ibn Abbas was right, cause Allah made clear in his book that he doesnt forget in the sense of arasing something from his memory when he said in his glorious book" To Him belongs what is before us and what is behind us, and what is between those two; and your Lord is never FORGETFUL"quran(19-64)
[Musa (Moses)] said: "The knowledge thereof is with my Lord, in a Record. My Lord neither errs nor He forgets."
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@Alik0511 Since Alah doesnt contradict himself the only possible meaning is to leave or to negllect.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@Alik0511 nobody said Allah exist ina place, if you say that believeing that Allah ios above the heavens is kufr, your accusing Allah and his messenger of promoting kufr waliyazubillah. Do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens), will not cause the earth to sink…Or do you feel secure that He, Who is fis-sama (above the heavens) will not send against you a violent whirlwind?" [67:16-17]
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy You must know like in the example of surah al araaf verse 51, that there are ayah that you can't translate it literally, you must translate it in the context, i also told you to check tafsir al qurtubi surah ali imraan verse 7 about the mutashaabih and muhkamaat, and now i see that you are saying that ALlah exist without a place, if i read your other comments you clearly say that ALlah is above the creation
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 The Hadeeth of Abu Hurairah: That the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) said: The Angels take successions regarding you, the angels through the night and the angels through the day. They gather [at the time of] the Fajr prayr and the Asr prayer, then those who remained with you through the night ASCEND UP TO HIM and He asks them - and He is most-knowledgeable of them (his servants) - "How have you left my servants?" And they (the angels) say, "..........praying".
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy well then its clear Allah is not above the Arsh, He exist without a place, by the way have you read the book that i sent you ?
it's clear Allah is indepedent surah ikhlaas verse 2
Alik0511 1 year ago
"where" does not apply to Allah--Allah is not in a place.
"when" does not apply to Allah--Allah is not bound by time.
"how" does not apply to Allah--Allah does not have attributes of the creation.
Allah existed eternally without the question "where" applying to Him. And it still does not apply to Him after creating all the creations.
MrYusuf99 2 years ago
@MrYusuf99 you are denying ayat from Qur'an, mashaAllah kafir.
TRUTHOFISLAM 1 year ago
@TRUTHOFISLAM No he is not Denying the Ayah You are translating the Ayah literally And there are Mutashabih Ayah And Muhkamaat Ayah's in the Holy Quran Go Read Tafsir Al Qurtubi About Surah Ali Imraan Ayah 7 !
Alik0511 1 year ago
@MrYusuf99 the prophet asked WHERE is Allah.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy he didn't say where he said AYNA which means literally where but it also has other meanings like what is the status etc.
you must translate it in the context dude like i said there are hadith that contains figuratively meanings. Im not going to discuss with people like you i did this soo many times, i know the arguments that you are going to use, i better spend my time to study the Aqeedah of the Salaf As saalih than talking with ppl like you.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 lol, the people of falsehood always run away when confronted with the clear text from the book and the sunnah, because they destroy baatil. No mubtadi'ee creation can face them, they destroy everything thing you pull outa your intellects.
its like saying WAAHID doesnt mean one, we must just say Allah is waahid to non aranic speakers.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy you must know the diffrence between Ta'wiel and Tafwied, and the diffrence between a mutashaabih ayah and a Muhkamaat read tafsir al qurtubi surah ali imraan verse 7,
by the way i discussed with so many ppl like you on the internet, but i see that it's waste of time there are soo many Aqeedah books of the salaf as saalih such as Aqeedah Tahawiyyah, al fiqh al akbar al fiqh al absat etc etc....... All the salaf believed that Allah exist without a place
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 aqeedah at tahawiyah is actually a proof against you.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy Imaam At tahaawiy rahimahuLlah clearly says that ALlah is absolutely independent, and DIRECTIONS does not apply to ALlah and the same goes for place and time etc.
Alik0511 1 year ago
@Alik0511 he didnt say that.He clearly said thatAllah is above the arsh.
akhysalafy 1 year ago
@akhysalafy yeah in the meaning with STATUS and not literally, if we say Allahu Akbar, do we mean Allah is GREAT in the meaning with SIZE? no it means ALlah is the al mighty. so it's not the literally meaning.
Alik0511 1 year ago
Mashallah!
FoAllah 2 years ago
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throbule 2 years ago
Machallah is true..
may Allah bless you sheikh.
Thanks for your work.
Amazigh83 2 years ago
may allah grant you paradise
BILL22242 2 years ago
Beautiful -- may Allah bless Shaykh Feiz; what a wonderful and great scholar!
abdelbaasit1 2 years ago
Jazakallah keep them posting :)
ennitman 2 years ago