Since the CoC believe a device(instrument) should not be used in the singing of songs, I wonder if special exception was given for the "VIDEO CAMERA" used to capture this video?
This is how utterly misleading and teaching false doctrine the CoC really is !!
We must never forget this thing we call church does not saves us, But God who sits high and looks low sent his son and by his blood we are saved.. Also the church is not a building with a name on it , but a people who are obedient to Gods will. I'm a member of the church of Christ, But I am saved by Christ not the church..
For some great Church Hymns, go to itunes store and look up The Hardeman Choir music audio downloads. I bought about 40 songs from them, and they sound incredible! Wish I could replace my worn out tapes I had of The Alton Howard choir and Meistersingers but I could not find them anywhere.
One of the CD's is titled after the song in this vid:) Listen to the sample segments and cherry pick your favorites, I play these tunes in my ipod many times a day, they are really great.
Worship in its pure performance is so necessary for our thirst to be adequately nourished in spirit.. To ruin the one opportunity weekly to offer soul & mind with love & devotion free of temporal and perishable styles, to be as simple and good as Angels...this is why the church of christ for centuries used their hearts to make melody to the Father and offer praise.
You can hear their true voice without the piano. What lovely voices, that god has gave to these brothers & sisters. Church of Christ is my church & I am proud to say that. Good loves all, even the sinners. Because all sin!
God bless all. This song is well led. Rev. 14:2 does not apply to using harps to supplement singing worship in the church. The eight scriptures that apply to singing in the church all do not authorize musical instruments to be played.
Rev. 14:2 does not mean that man made instrument are played in heaven or in the worship of God. If it was authorized then it would have had to have been included in the perfect law of liberty because we have all things that pertain to life and godliness.God bless
I am john the baptist for the 2nd coming. I am elias: come to restore all things. You are asleep or you would have been expecting me. See My Space highestprecision
I am a songleader at the Northwood Manor Church of Christ Houston,Texas.I can only say to sing with the spirit and the understanding.We are to worship in spirit and in truth.And singing is part of worship.I wished all our congregations would pratice this.It's embrassing to see a small congregation outsing the large congregations because singing is not a pirority.
@pretoshohmoofc AS far I know the Church Of Christ does not believe in Instruments, That hard for me to see Bible for this since t tell use to make a joyful noise and then, List Tambourine, Cymbals as well others, But they will all be in heaven with us all, Praise God.
@rsalesonline Yes, I too believe that they will be in heaven with us. "Listening to The sound...that of harpists playing their harps." Rev 14:2 LOL! But whatever...I play Bass in church, and I KNOW that it pleases God. The evidance is in the scriptures, and in those hearts who gather around to praise his glorious name.
@rsalesonline "tell use to make a joyful noise and then,List Tambourine,Cymbals as well others,But they will all be in heaven with us all,Praise God."
Jesus said what is bound on earth, GOD will bind in Heaven,and what is loosed on earth will be loosed in Heaven.
So those that want to take instruments out of song worship on earth will have to sing without them in Heaven too.
Amazing though,they listen to secular music with instruments.
That's already happened. They split between those who are free to use instruments in church, who are called Independent Christian Church; and the stained-glass fortress of dead orthodox called the Church of Christ. In fact, congregants that make up churches that have hang ups about music and food are often filled with the biggest hypocrites and fornicators—but think they're heaven-bound because they abide by their man-made laws.
Momma Mia! LMAO. Where in bloody blue blazes did I say the Koresh and Jones cults are heaven-bound? I said they THINK they're heaven-bound. And yes, those 2 are of many wolves-in-sheep attire that have led their group into a christless eternity. There's no doubt about the heresy. I'm sayin' the no music allowed policy is this church's man-made tradition. Nowhere in Scripture did Christ prohibit the use of instruments to glorify God. Psalms 150 encourages it!
By the piece in my comment that you clipped out, I was referring to the Pharisees who sought to earn salvation by trying to keep the Ten Commandments and adding their little man-made rules as a supplement.
Yet Christ—even John the Baptist—saw through their façade, both calling them all a brood of vipers.
Ephesians 4:5 There is but ONE Lord, ONE faith and ONE baptism. If ppl read their bible and stop listening to MAN, then everything will be just fine. MAN is costing many ppl to lose their souls. There is but ONE "TRUE" Church....and that is THE CHURCH OF CHRIST!!!!!
That ONE Lord, ONE faith, and ONE baptism cuts across all denominational lines. All christian denominations believe in the same Lord, all chrisian denmoninations have the same faith(all believe in the Trinity, the same God, Father, Holy Spirit, all believe that Jesus shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins, so sinners who accept Jesus can go to Heaven, and all christians believe in the resurrection).
All denominations believe in the same baptism, whether sprinked or immersesd, it really doesn't matter. The basic core belief is the same, the act of baptism itself has the same symbolic meaning no matter what denomonation.
It's just that some radical sects, like Church of Christ, like to act in a very superioristic and judgemental manner.
You constantly like to go off on tangents, and be divisive, as some kind of "proof" that "see how different and set apart we are? Therefore we are the one true church of christ". Total bunk.
"all believe in the Trinity" Well, not really. Some agree with the Jews that the trinity is blasphemy. With over 40 THOUSAND Protestant denominations, there's someone to believe ANYthing. So much for the unity of the church. Jesus himself prayed that his followers would "be one," but even HIS prayers are no answered. The truth is out- religions is myth created by ignorant people afraid of the dark. Education dissolves religion.
I have stopped listening to MAN, such as MEN who FALSELY proclaim the one true church mentioned in to Bible wasn't the church of ALL believers, no matter what denomination. But rather these MEN would have you FALSELY believe that the "one true church" the Bible is referring to is only a tiny little sect that calls themselves "Church of Christ" here in America that was founded in the 1800s, a product of the Second Great Awakening.
@ServusGrueziHallo ..actually the church of Christ began on the Day of Pentecost, long b4 the 1800's in AD 33. Acts 2:38...look it up. not manmade, est by and thru Christ..upon this rock, (Petra) the statement that Peter made abt Christ being the Son of God, I will build MY church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. MY is a personal pronoun and denotes ownership...IT meaning singular.That statement does NOT leave ANY room for misunderstanding nor addition or subtraction
@pretoshohmoofc , not interested in history, interested in the TRUTH! Check Acts 2:38. That was A.D.33. the church that Christ built was NOT the catholic church that was established by man. Christ said upon this rock I will build My church, my is a personal pronoun which denotes NO pontifs, no archbishops, no diocese, no such thing around at that time. If I am a fool for Christ, so be it...better a saved fool than a lost genius or historian or whatever you wish to call it!!
@pimpamante How can I be wrong? I too read the Bible, but it is one thing to SAY that you are the only church, And to quote scripture. Every cult on the planet makes the same claim using the Bible. And it is another, to SHOW HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that you are.
@pretoshohmoofc "And it is another,to SHOW HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that you are"
The people that worship in the CoC churchs haven't taken the time to research the founder(s) of their "CHURCH".They were called Campbellites at one time from their founding father Alexander Campbell. He was the son of a preacher from Ireland that came here in the 1800's and was one of many that started the restoration movement.
God bless you all. If the issue is whether there is only one church authorized by the bible then the answer is yes.
Eph. 4:4 and 1 Corinth 12:13 teach there is one body. Eph. 1:22 and Col 1:18 ff teach that that one body is the church. Thus if there is one body and the body is the church there can only be one church.
The name (Eph. 3:15 ) of that church is the Church of Christ. Rom. 16:16. in the nominative plural. God bless you all. I'd love to discuss with any who have questions.
I guess if I were to explain the Church of Christ and why we believe in one true Church is because the Bible tells us that Christ built his Church. The Church is not a building or location. It is his followers. To be a follower of Christ you must obey HIS teaching as given in the new Testament. There is nothing wrong with instruments, but they are not used in the worship service as our examples is given in the Bible. We believe this is how we must worship as HE instructed.
First of all, I am a member of a conservative Church of Christ in Highlands, Texas. We do not simply invalidate ANYTHING that predates the church that Christ founded. The only way we validate or invalidate anything is by searching the scriptures as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11 to see if the object or activity in question can be found being used by the Apostles, can be found in a direct command, or by neccessary inference. If we cannot find the authority for something it is excluded from worship
Church of Christ members most certainly do invalidate anything outside their own narrow-minded, tiny little experience and anything outside their own narrow-minded tiny little denomination. Your denomination, Church of Christ was founded in the 1800s, as a product of the Second Great Awakening, here in America. You people are clueless, and the worst part is you are WILLFULLY and BLISSFULLY ignorant.
Y'ALL really, really, really need to get over this one true chruch crap you believe in. Do you REALLY believe that out of all God's creation, only your tiny little church that came to be in the 1800's in the USA is the "one true church" and everyone else is bound for Hell?
That is totally stupid and ignorant and backwards thinking.
In my reading of the word of God, we are told that Christ would establish only one church: His church (Matthew 16:18). We are also told that there is one Lord, one Faith, one Body, and one Spirit (Eph. 4:4-6). This clearly excludes the possibility for there to be multiple churches and all of them be correct.
I think you Church of Christ are taking things WAY to literally when you read the Bible. One Lord, one Faith, one Body and one Spirit cuts across all denominational lines. The church is the total sum, the total combination of all believers. How in the word do you guys interpret that to mean literally one specific denomination?
All christian believers, regardless of denomination believe in the same Lord, the same Faith(God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus shed his blood for the atonement of sins, and the resurrection), the same Body(all believers in Christ), and one Spirit(all denominations believe in the Holy Spirit which comes into your heart).
These basic tenets are common to ALL christian denominations. What is this divisive stuff Church of Christ insists on doing?
Oh, I totally agree that religion is BS, olh1152. I just like to confront some of these superioristic-minded and judgemental fundamentalists. Church of Christ are amoung the worst, along with the Pentecostals.
To the minmumdog: How can you justify the use of instrumental music in worship today??? And by who's authority is it authorized in worship??? I would like to know.....and as I said David and his use should be in no way use to justify such an act....in New Testament worship you will find no use of instrumental worship if so please enlighten....seems like you would benefit from a back to basics bible study it sure wouldn't hurt.
Sax I agree to whole heartedly with you and so does the Bible. When David offered that worship, he was playing a "Beautiful Harp" one of the most calming and relaxing instruments, but God told him to "Stop that foul Noise, and thats what God Called It, and No one can say it was just the Church saying it, it was God. Get back to the basics is correct and get it with an understanding, "Sax" thanks for standing firmly on God's Word
Where are the songs you sing in church justified in the Bible? The Bible doesn't say anything about the way you sing or these hymns sing from the 1800s or Stamps and Baxter or whatever.
The Bible doesn't say anything about using indoor toilets or central air and heat, or antibiotics either, but you use those dont' you? The USA is willfully stupid and ignorant.
There is no taking chances in the church...that's why us church of christ members stick to the bible 110%...There is not a single example of an instrument in church services in the new testament...and we are commanded to sing from our hearts only in the book of Ephesians...
WRONG!. Church of Christ stick to their FANATICAL AND RADICAL interpretation of the Bible. That's because in a tiny little world, who choose to pretend that a whole wide world is out there that God also created, does not exist. Church of Christ and other fundamentalists choose to pretend that their little radical religious movement out of the USA in the 1800s is all that exists and all that matters in God's eyes.
@ServusGrueziHallo: Read your bible son/maam..(WHOEVER YOU ARE)! The Church of Christ was the (FIRST) church. It was here over 600 years before the Catholic Church and the rest of MAN MADE buildings. Again, READ YOUR BIBLE!! When Jesus said in Matt 16:18, "Upon this rock I will build (MY CHURCH) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. He said, his church...NOT CHURCHES!! This isn't an argument...just telling the "TRUTH"...again...READ YOUR BIBLE!!! READ ROMANS 16:16.."READ YOUR BIBLE
Maybe YOU should read your Bible without doing so much reading between the lines. I'd like to know how in your head, "upon this rock I build my church" translates in your brain to the modern-day Church of Christ denomination, which was founded in the 1800s in America, a product of the Second Great Awakening? That is hardly 600 years ago or before the Catholic church!
And why do you interpret "church" as one specific denomination? All these various denominations we have today in America, didn't even in Jesus' time. His church is the combination of all who believe in him, regardless of denomination.
I thought maybe Church of Christ had mellowed and become more rational since my childhood, but I see you guys are as nuts as ever.
The use of instrumental music was never authorized by the Lord in the worship service......and David shouldn't be your example........Jesus hung and died on the cross not David!!!
Why and how do you extrapolate from where scripture is silent, that use today of musical instruments in church is wrong? Your reasoning that Jesus hung on the cross and not david is just silly and without logic. The instruments David used somehow went out with the new covenant? I think not. You would do well do to a study on biblical liberty. Oh, but this is the same group who teaches the error of baptismal regeneration. Law came thru Moses, Grace and Truth thru Jesus.
to fareel2368, I'm totally agree with you, I just wrote what the Bible says, go back and read it; I think you missunderstood my comment. I belong to the CoC in Panama, Panama city
I am not CoC, but I enjoyed this song greatly. Just enjoy the music and praise, and if you disagree with a theology, GET YOUR OWN VIDEO!!!! I do not have to agree with a church on everything to enjoy their praise. I promise you in their hearts, these people are sincere. Great Job.
The Lord is so awesome - he makes prasing him so simple! Just singing in the spirit with our voice ~ now that's as simple as it gets - NO additives & NO preservatives NEEDED!
vtech 2608 we are not under the law anymore. Jesus fulfilled that law. God is using whom he will now. Women will and are prophesing. You need to understand why women were told to keep silent in the church, BACK THEN. Why do some of your minister call themselves Dr. when that is not one of the offices in the Bible. Hmmmm. If the COC is so right why call themselves a Dr when that's not one of the offices mentioned in the Bible.
in responding to psychicpsycho20 : I go to a predominantly black coc. the church use to be a baptist church and they converted over in the late 80's and early 90's. we do not have slave mentality at all. we serve Jesus. We are well known in our community for how much love is there at the church.
The differences are not so great as you may think. Instrumental music is one area, but the key issue is whether baptism is really for the remission of sins - are you saved before baptism or upon being baptized? He may be afraid to ask you about this because he is afraid of alienating you, or maybe he is not sure of where Baptists stand on this. If you like him, ask him about this. As a woman who considers herself a simple Christian I believe you can't go wrong using the Bible as your blueprint.
I can tell you that women are not allow to speak according to 1 Corinthians 14:34, in which clearly says "Let your women keep silence in the Churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law".
the Man is the head of the woman, as the bible says. They were too keep silent in the Churches to show a sign of humbleness and respect. this doesnt mean women can not teach, but they should not preach in a church service. Did anyone ever notice how God didnt punish Eve until Adam ate the fruit. He put the man in charge and when a man lets a woman lead that goes against Gods will.
I was a member of the COC at one time.Women were not allowed speak in this "church".The only area in which females were used was in the nursery.There was no music allowed.There was a significant feeling of racial separatism in the predominately White COC congregations.The predominately Black COC members seemed to show a type of slave mentality,not spiritually free.All members(of both congregations)had to sign a card for attendance and cards are picked up after services.Spied on each other also.
You mention black COC churches having a slave mentality and while listening to them sing...I did feel like I was stuck in time or something. I felt like "massa" was going to come beat us for singing or something. Especially at the chorus part when that lady was singing opera-ish super loud. lol Oh, and by no means am I trying to offend anyone. I find people different than me quite interesting!
Where did yo live I have never heard of such a Church . But some call themselves The Church of Christ Not COC.Even that offens me. But not really Christ said they will come in Sheeps Clothing but inwardly they are ravaging wolves. Judge for your selves . But to even enter into a place that does not hold his name is a shame to me . You will know for God said they will all know from the least to the oldest .
differences. Also, I know all Church of Christ churches aren't non-instrumental. But for the ones that are non-instrumental...do they listen to gospel songs on the radio? Like when traveling, do they listen to the radio in the car? If not, as Christians, what do they consider entertainment other than reading the bible?
singing is the most natural way to praise God. God gave man the ability to speak. He wants to be served by the living not by an object that is dead. Man puts the life into an instrument and God put the life into man. Man is Gods instrument so he wants us to praise him correctly in service. You can praise God anywhere, are u not praising God when you sing unto him? Yes christians listen to the radio, but my car and Gods house are 2 different places.
I like to eat . and Read the Bible. and cook , and clean , and love my family and sing with my voice only not because i dont enjoy music , it is just not allowed in Church.
I have a question....well more than one. Here goes...
I go to a non-denominational church with a baptist title and I happen to be musically inclined as my entire family is. I really like this guy whose family is church of christ. I know he likes me too but he just won't approach me. Do you think it's possible that he won't approach me because our families and beliefs are so different? BTW, our families are great friends as both our families are significant figures in the community despite our..
The differences are not so great as you may think. Instrumental music is one area, but the key issue is whether baptism is really for the remission of sins - are you saved before baptism or upon being baptized. He may be afraid to ask you this for fear of alienating you, or maybe he is not confident in his understanding of where Baptists stand on this. If you like him, ask him about it. I am a woman, a simple Christian, and I believe you can't go wrong when using the Bible as your blueprint.
Christ will Win out here He did in my situation I am married to a Chrstian Now I lived with him for 20 Years before he was baptized into the Church of Christ. We are happy now and I dont have to worry about his salvation. PS where in the bible does it mention any other Church than that be The Churches of Christ that are in Christ or God , Same Person.There is no other name under heaven where by you can be saved than Jesus Christ. The Churches of Christ Salute You Romans 16:16
...I was in LA in July, but didn't know this type of singing was there. I will definitely contact you on my next visit in 2009. Be blessed. -Hymnchoir
If Avalon Church Of Christ in L.A. forbids anyting that was not mentioed in the New Testament, like musical instruments then they have to forbid Applause and Hand-Clapping during Worship. I know because Acapella Chruch Of Christ in my area wouldnt have Applause, Lifting your hands, Cheering, Hand-Clapping during songs, and dancing during church service. they kick you out if you applauded during their services.
Thanks for posting this beautiful and uplifting hymn. No need for musical instruments because when we sing we are in fact "teaching and admonishing one another" with the words contained in the hymn. The words and the melody in your heart is what is needed according to the scriptures. Nothing more is commanded and where the Bible is silent, we better remain silent.
The music played from a saved person is from/with the heart to God...
Please see Mathew 26:7-
"a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume and poured it on his head while he sat at the table.But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?"
What you see as waste Christ does not and has not forbidden..unless God said dont play music its sinful we have no leg to stand on to forbid it at all..we are free to worship"
ok so ALL scripture is inspired by God I agree. So then I ask again how often do you make Animal sacrifices to forgive your sins? you dont because Jesus came to bring a new covenant. And in that new covenant we are told to SING singular. Just because God didnt say dont use instruments does not give authority to use it. E.G go to the shop and buy me bread and you come back with bread coke candy and pizza. and you say but you didnt say i couldn't its a weak argment speak where scripture speaks.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in PSALMS and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
when did you last slaughter a bull or goat for your sins to be forgiven for a year? because thats in the bible too. your using old law to justify something thats not in the new covenant.
kaner11 ..the pslams is not a law..There was never a law on music..except not to play strange music..or to other gods...Your churches man made doctrines are religious pride and not Biblically sound..I thank God I go to a Bible church
PSALM 150
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
18. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
19. speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;
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I think we can agree that the worship of singing and making melody in our heart is commanded, yes?
Now, if God goes the effort to command making melody in the heart during worship in the church, why doesn't he include musical instruments for worship? Why are YOU ordering it
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (KJV)
Well I must disagree with you. In the Greek when the word Psalmos or psallo is used the rule of grammar is the the instrument being pluck must be specified. Eph 5:19 and Col 3:16 both specified It is the heart. Also, the comand is for everyone so solos and choirs are an addition of man.
The music played from a saved person is from/with the heart to God...
Please see Mathew 26:7-
"a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume and poured it on his head while he sat at the table.But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?"
What you see as waste Christ does not and has not forbidden..unless God said dont play music its sinful we have no leg to stand on to forbid it at all..we are free to worship"
For the choir director; on stringed instruments. A Psalm of David. Answer me when I call, O God of my righteousness! You have relieved me in my distress; Be gracious to me and hear my prayer.
If we look up the word psalms in both verses in the Greek (Strong's) we will learn:
5568 yalmo,j psalmos {psal-mos'}
Meaning: 1) a striking, twanging 1a) of a striking the chords of a musical instrument 1b) of a pious song, a psalm. This word comes from psallo (5567) meaning to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes). the psalms of Ephesians and Colossians are the inspired psalms of the Hebrew Canon."
Im making room 4 it while false teahcers and preachers rebuke it..they are false ministers that preach their OWN doctrine and not the Doctrin of Christ and of God...
quabot.. The early church had no buildings, pews, large buildings..get rid of yours and have house church..cuz thats what they did..and at the first communion they all drank from one cup..how many do you guys use??? your arguments are crazy
The argument for the one cups comes from the example of Jesus instituting the Lord's Supper. I'll quote from Matthew 26:27. And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;"
He was serving 12 men. They may have all been able to drink from the cup before it was empty.
Before we continue, I need to ask a question: In a church of 70, a cup like Jesus used would not give a sip to all. How would you guarantee every one a drink?
The catholics used to keep filling the 1 cup..I dont believe in Gods people arguing over any of theese petty arguments..Its the heart...and whoever is justified is justified By Christ..lest we have room to boast...and there is no room..we have his righteousness
Look at acts 2:46 & 48. You will notice that 3000 souls were baptized into Christ on the day of Pentecost. Then they (Christians) worshiped in the TEMPLE and broke bread (Lord's Supper) in houses. So your statement that they had no buildings is wrong.
It seems to have depended on the size of the congregation or the purpose of the meeting.
Also, we do not know how large any given congregation was, or whether the congregations in homes built a hall for themselves later when their size grew.
Psalms our Biblical worship book mentions its and thats enough..you are not rightly dividing the word of truth..but denominational in your approach of the scriptures
Anything else is an addition of men, to please others and keep them. No where in the new testamen does it say to use the old testamen for worship purposes, but to teach,correct, as evidenceTim3:16. Furthermore, 2Pet 1:3 says God has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. How come we were not instructed to play an instrument. Also the commandment sing is for the entire church, if instrument were fine then the entire church has to play.
We were not commanded not to play instuments..we were instructed that we are "free" and not bound by your denominational rules..forbidden things of men
We were not commanded not to serve RC and Moonpies for the Lord's supper, either. I guess the difference is that some people are governed by what the Bible says; others hedge their bets on what the Bible does not say. There cannot be "denominational rules" in the church of Christ because it isn't a denomination in the first place. A denomination is a smaller piece of a larger organization - the church of Christ is not a piece or fragment of anything. It is simply "the church".
An argument started among the disciples as to which of them might be the greatest. But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great. John answered and said,
Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.
The pertinence is in your group seperating itself and thinking itself more highly than it aught to because thewy dont play a drum..how foolish..For on Christ the solid Rock the church stands..we glory in him alone...not Thou shalt nots of splinter groups
I never heard of anyone thinking more highly of himself because he didn't play a drum. I can't play one, but wouldn't mind learning how. I can play the piano, however, by ear and do so often. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Jesus had 12 Apostles and one more if you count Paul. Jesus also gave power for 70 other men to cast out devils also these men went along in their lifetime doing just that , I think this was who He was talking about.,Who else could he have been talking about, It was Jesus who had the power to do the miracles that he did, Heal the sick ,Raise the dead , But It tells us in Corinthans that all that would stop after the ones he gave the power to work miracles. lives were over on earth.
I know the church is described by different names in the Bible. I have no objection to any of them. I also know that a number of religious groups have man-made names along with man-made creeds. Personally, I'd burn the creeds and change the name. The "church of Christ" suits me just fine.
It might have been built by Jewish People but Christ did not use it for Jewish Worship It has changed here the old is nailed to the cross the new is Jesus Christ a Christain. Risen from the Dead Those old Jews were trying to hold on the the old law that moses gave but Christ died because it was blemished law. Christ said You are not a jew outwardly , but inwardly. We are all the same in the eyes of God IF we are in Christ . If you dont understand . Read the King James Version of the Bible
If you have died with Christ to the world's way of doing things, why do you let others tell you how to live? It's as though you were still under the world's influence.People will tell you, "Don't handle this! Don't taste or touch that!"because God is not the author of these traditions, therefore they are not that which we are obligated to do." (ex not playing instruments..)
I dont see instrumental music as waste but God never asked for it. Even in the old testament he never asked for it Amos 5:23 But he allowed it. Instrument are not used in the new testamen church not because it says sing but because it doesnot say play. God says sing and make melody in your hearts.
music was never a covenant, it was a way of praisin gGod the laws of moses and circumscision was the covenant. food and salvation changed with the new covenant. hey were ever 2 or 3 are gathered brother you can have church dont pin God down to a building He is every were. dont just worship him at church worship him at home. some Coc label this as sin which is far fetched and not biblical
"These things look like wisdom with their self-imposed worship, [false] humility, and harsh treatment of the body. But they have no value for holding back the constant desires of your corrupt nature."
Honestly, I understand that you are very interested in talking about instrumental music, but since Col 2:23-23 doesn't mention it, and neither why did Jesus or his Apostles when discussing worshiping God in Spirit and Truth, I'm not the one to ask about the subject.
It was not a "christian church" the people were Jewish and went to the jewish temple..they believed in Jesus..and Sang/prayed/read the psalms which said to play instruments
datnyone, you pretend to quote Col 2: 23 and then say "Music or not doesn't matter..." but then become indignant when you see it not used, and constantly make references to Psalms. So obviously it matters to you.
Better a "dry" scriptural service than a "wet" unscriptural one with innovations and inventions of men. At least these people are striving to follow the Bible.
Striving to be an "ELITE" group, seperating themselves from the Body with foolish arguments and thoughts of superiority and self righteousness....On Christ the Solid Rock of Righteousness we should all stand..All other ground is sinking sand.
Since the CoC believe a device(instrument) should not be used in the singing of songs, I wonder if special exception was given for the "VIDEO CAMERA" used to capture this video?
This is how utterly misleading and teaching false doctrine the CoC really is !!
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
We must never forget this thing we call church does not saves us, But God who sits high and looks low sent his son and by his blood we are saved.. Also the church is not a building with a name on it , but a people who are obedient to Gods will. I'm a member of the church of Christ, But I am saved by Christ not the church..
traylortommie21 7 months ago 3
@traylortommie21 hahaha...you said it brother. I agree with you.
basicman101 4 months ago
@traylortommie21 "I'm a member of the church of Christ, But I am saved by Christ not the church"
When you were saved, were you baptized by the Holy Spirit?
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
For some great Church Hymns, go to itunes store and look up The Hardeman Choir music audio downloads. I bought about 40 songs from them, and they sound incredible! Wish I could replace my worn out tapes I had of The Alton Howard choir and Meistersingers but I could not find them anywhere.
One of the CD's is titled after the song in this vid:) Listen to the sample segments and cherry pick your favorites, I play these tunes in my ipod many times a day, they are really great.
zzubuzz 7 months ago
Worship in its pure performance is so necessary for our thirst to be adequately nourished in spirit.. To ruin the one opportunity weekly to offer soul & mind with love & devotion free of temporal and perishable styles, to be as simple and good as Angels...this is why the church of christ for centuries used their hearts to make melody to the Father and offer praise.
revrama 9 months ago
You can hear their true voice without the piano. What lovely voices, that god has gave to these brothers & sisters. Church of Christ is my church & I am proud to say that. Good loves all, even the sinners. Because all sin!
cookingsouthern 1 year ago
@cookingsouthern Is this Paula Dean?
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
SATAN IS MY BOYFRIEND SO STOP OFFENDING ME
666 SATAN 666
jasperisneat 1 year ago
@jasperisneat I will pray for you to do better
TMART394184 9 months ago
Amen!
kingzalla 1 year ago
God bless all. This song is well led. Rev. 14:2 does not apply to using harps to supplement singing worship in the church. The eight scriptures that apply to singing in the church all do not authorize musical instruments to be played.
Rev. 14:2 does not mean that man made instrument are played in heaven or in the worship of God. If it was authorized then it would have had to have been included in the perfect law of liberty because we have all things that pertain to life and godliness.God bless
omarifrench1 1 year ago
I am john the baptist for the 2nd coming. I am elias: come to restore all things. You are asleep or you would have been expecting me. See My Space highestprecision
inertialcapacity 1 year ago
I am a songleader at the Northwood Manor Church of Christ Houston,Texas.I can only say to sing with the spirit and the understanding.We are to worship in spirit and in truth.And singing is part of worship.I wished all our congregations would pratice this.It's embrassing to see a small congregation outsing the large congregations because singing is not a pirority.
s2000sett 1 year ago
@s2000sett "It's embrassing to see a small congregation outsing the large congregations because singing is not a pirority"
Why concern yourself and be ebarrassed then? "The lips speak from the heart" .
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
The Church Of Christ.Then... Now... Forever.All Glory to God.
santabarbaraca2010 1 year ago
That sounds great. All you need is a drum set, some guitars and a Bass with trumpets, and NOW you got some great worship!
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@pretoshohmoofc AS far I know the Church Of Christ does not believe in Instruments, That hard for me to see Bible for this since t tell use to make a joyful noise and then, List Tambourine, Cymbals as well others, But they will all be in heaven with us all, Praise God.
rsalesonline 1 year ago
@rsalesonline Yes, I too believe that they will be in heaven with us. "Listening to The sound...that of harpists playing their harps." Rev 14:2 LOL! But whatever...I play Bass in church, and I KNOW that it pleases God. The evidance is in the scriptures, and in those hearts who gather around to praise his glorious name.
Amen!
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@rsalesonline "tell use to make a joyful noise and then,List Tambourine,Cymbals as well others,But they will all be in heaven with us all,Praise God."
Jesus said what is bound on earth, GOD will bind in Heaven,and what is loosed on earth will be loosed in Heaven.
So those that want to take instruments out of song worship on earth will have to sing without them in Heaven too.
Amazing though,they listen to secular music with instruments.
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
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All thing's work out for the good of those who love the Lord who's called according to his purpose!
brotherfrank62 1 year ago
It was uplifting to me... our congregation only has about 30 members... I miss hearing people other than just myself ;)
mrskoen09 1 year ago
Read Psalms 150 and then try to tell me music should not be allowed in church.
19dt66 1 year ago
I'll work till Jesus comes.
Candy1989ify 1 year ago
junmeskie-In the bible it says make a joyful noise unto the Lord......Has NO reference to instruments. We are NON-denominational.
tgatewood78 1 year ago
I just love the singing of the Church of Christ.
Monk3597 1 year ago
Is this the denomination that don't allow MUSICAL INSTRUMENT? if this is
DON'T THEIR ELDERS KNOW THAT THE ANGELS USES HARP TO SING ALLELUIA?
bet this denomination will loss half of their members once they find out lol
junmeskie 1 year ago
That's already happened. They split between those who are free to use instruments in church, who are called Independent Christian Church; and the stained-glass fortress of dead orthodox called the Church of Christ. In fact, congregants that make up churches that have hang ups about music and food are often filled with the biggest hypocrites and fornicators—but think they're heaven-bound because they abide by their man-made laws.
mikeysaur65 1 year ago
@mikeysaur65 wrote: "...but think they're heaven-bound because they abide by their man-made laws."
So you mean to say:
David Koresh leader of the Branch Davidian,
Jim Jones leader of Peoples Temple and
other cults who lead their followers to die or poisoned them are all "heaven bound"? THIS IS COMPLETE HERESY
So why did Jesus built a church that will never be destroyed on Matt. 16:18?
and that church (not the Bible) is the Bulwark & the Pillar of Truth: 1Timothy 3:15
junmeskie 1 year ago
Momma Mia! LMAO. Where in bloody blue blazes did I say the Koresh and Jones cults are heaven-bound? I said they THINK they're heaven-bound. And yes, those 2 are of many wolves-in-sheep attire that have led their group into a christless eternity. There's no doubt about the heresy. I'm sayin' the no music allowed policy is this church's man-made tradition. Nowhere in Scripture did Christ prohibit the use of instruments to glorify God. Psalms 150 encourages it!
mikeysaur65 1 year ago
By the piece in my comment that you clipped out, I was referring to the Pharisees who sought to earn salvation by trying to keep the Ten Commandments and adding their little man-made rules as a supplement.
Yet Christ—even John the Baptist—saw through their façade, both calling them all a brood of vipers.
mikeysaur65 1 year ago
Wonderful singing! Thank you for these videos and God Bless!
scarebear83 1 year ago
This sounds like slaves singing!
olh1152 2 years ago
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"This sounds like slaves singing!"
It is!
All over the world, slaves to religion gather regularly
to sing the songs of their grandparents,
to be told from the unanswerable pulpit
that they are evil and deserving of eternal torture,
and to reassure their neurotic god that he's number 1.
But their emancipation is at hand.
Education dissolves religion!
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
religion is mental slavery.
olh1152 2 years ago
Ephesians 4:5 There is but ONE Lord, ONE faith and ONE baptism. If ppl read their bible and stop listening to MAN, then everything will be just fine. MAN is costing many ppl to lose their souls. There is but ONE "TRUE" Church....and that is THE CHURCH OF CHRIST!!!!!
BeBeSoFly11 2 years ago
That ONE Lord, ONE faith, and ONE baptism cuts across all denominational lines. All christian denominations believe in the same Lord, all chrisian denmoninations have the same faith(all believe in the Trinity, the same God, Father, Holy Spirit, all believe that Jesus shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins, so sinners who accept Jesus can go to Heaven, and all christians believe in the resurrection).
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
All denominations believe in the same baptism, whether sprinked or immersesd, it really doesn't matter. The basic core belief is the same, the act of baptism itself has the same symbolic meaning no matter what denomonation.
It's just that some radical sects, like Church of Christ, like to act in a very superioristic and judgemental manner.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
You constantly like to go off on tangents, and be divisive, as some kind of "proof" that "see how different and set apart we are? Therefore we are the one true church of christ". Total bunk.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I have stopped listening to MAN, such as MEN who FALSELY proclaim the one true church mentioned in to Bible wasn't the church of ALL believers, no matter what denomination. But rather these MEN would have you FALSELY believe that the "one true church" the Bible is referring to is only a tiny little sect that calls themselves "Church of Christ" here in America that was founded in the 1800s, a product of the Second Great Awakening.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
@ServusGrueziHallo ..actually the church of Christ began on the Day of Pentecost, long b4 the 1800's in AD 33. Acts 2:38...look it up. not manmade, est by and thru Christ..upon this rock, (Petra) the statement that Peter made abt Christ being the Son of God, I will build MY church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. MY is a personal pronoun and denotes ownership...IT meaning singular.That statement does NOT leave ANY room for misunderstanding nor addition or subtraction
1hunny51 1 year ago
@1hunny51 Historically speaking, The only church [singular] that was around for the past two thousand years was the Catholic Church.
What I mean by that is, it is the only church that you can place a historical connection to. Buildings, writtings, historians etc.
Any fool can claim to be the true church without anything to back himself up with.
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@pretoshohmoofc , not interested in history, interested in the TRUTH! Check Acts 2:38. That was A.D.33. the church that Christ built was NOT the catholic church that was established by man. Christ said upon this rock I will build My church, my is a personal pronoun which denotes NO pontifs, no archbishops, no diocese, no such thing around at that time. If I am a fool for Christ, so be it...better a saved fool than a lost genius or historian or whatever you wish to call it!!
1hunny51 1 year ago
@pretoshohmoofc Wrong :Read the Bible
pimpamante 1 year ago
@pimpamante How can I be wrong? I too read the Bible, but it is one thing to SAY that you are the only church, And to quote scripture. Every cult on the planet makes the same claim using the Bible. And it is another, to SHOW HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that you are.
You can't.
pretoshohmoofc 1 year ago
@pretoshohmoofc "And it is another,to SHOW HISTORICAL EVIDENCE that you are"
The people that worship in the CoC churchs haven't taken the time to research the founder(s) of their "CHURCH".They were called Campbellites at one time from their founding father Alexander Campbell. He was the son of a preacher from Ireland that came here in the 1800's and was one of many that started the restoration movement.
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
God bless you all. If the issue is whether there is only one church authorized by the bible then the answer is yes.
Eph. 4:4 and 1 Corinth 12:13 teach there is one body. Eph. 1:22 and Col 1:18 ff teach that that one body is the church. Thus if there is one body and the body is the church there can only be one church.
The name (Eph. 3:15 ) of that church is the Church of Christ. Rom. 16:16. in the nominative plural. God bless you all. I'd love to discuss with any who have questions.
omarifrench1 2 years ago
I guess if I were to explain the Church of Christ and why we believe in one true Church is because the Bible tells us that Christ built his Church. The Church is not a building or location. It is his followers. To be a follower of Christ you must obey HIS teaching as given in the new Testament. There is nothing wrong with instruments, but they are not used in the worship service as our examples is given in the Bible. We believe this is how we must worship as HE instructed.
mzveronique77 2 years ago
First of all, I am a member of a conservative Church of Christ in Highlands, Texas. We do not simply invalidate ANYTHING that predates the church that Christ founded. The only way we validate or invalidate anything is by searching the scriptures as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11 to see if the object or activity in question can be found being used by the Apostles, can be found in a direct command, or by neccessary inference. If we cannot find the authority for something it is excluded from worship
cguy93 2 years ago
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ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
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Church of Christ members most certainly do invalidate anything outside their own narrow-minded, tiny little experience and anything outside their own narrow-minded tiny little denomination. Your denomination, Church of Christ was founded in the 1800s, as a product of the Second Great Awakening, here in America. You people are clueless, and the worst part is you are WILLFULLY and BLISSFULLY ignorant.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
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ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
Why did the Bible not speak against slavery? And condemed it once and for all?
rompesaraguei 2 years ago
This is one of my favorite.
MsSharon1980 2 years ago
I love An Empty Mansion.. and sang along with yall..
brighteyz66 2 years ago
Church of Christ all the way! The ONE and ONLY (TRUE) CHURCH!!!
BeBeSoFly11 2 years ago 15
AMEN im CHURCH OF CHRIST TOO !
princesssweetie18 2 years ago
Y'ALL really, really, really need to get over this one true chruch crap you believe in. Do you REALLY believe that out of all God's creation, only your tiny little church that came to be in the 1800's in the USA is the "one true church" and everyone else is bound for Hell?
That is totally stupid and ignorant and backwards thinking.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
In my reading of the word of God, we are told that Christ would establish only one church: His church (Matthew 16:18). We are also told that there is one Lord, one Faith, one Body, and one Spirit (Eph. 4:4-6). This clearly excludes the possibility for there to be multiple churches and all of them be correct.
cguy93 2 years ago
I think you Church of Christ are taking things WAY to literally when you read the Bible. One Lord, one Faith, one Body and one Spirit cuts across all denominational lines. The church is the total sum, the total combination of all believers. How in the word do you guys interpret that to mean literally one specific denomination?
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
All christian believers, regardless of denomination believe in the same Lord, the same Faith(God the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, Jesus shed his blood for the atonement of sins, and the resurrection), the same Body(all believers in Christ), and one Spirit(all denominations believe in the Holy Spirit which comes into your heart).
These basic tenets are common to ALL christian denominations. What is this divisive stuff Church of Christ insists on doing?
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
@ServusGrueziHallo, Religion is BS.
olh1152 2 years ago
Oh, I totally agree that religion is BS, olh1152. I just like to confront some of these superioristic-minded and judgemental fundamentalists. Church of Christ are amoung the worst, along with the Pentecostals.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
@BeBeSoFly11 Jesus was not concerned with instrumental music one way or another.
drivebytruckerz 11 months ago
@BeBeSoFly11 church of cult,,,,telling people they need to be baptised to be saved,,,false doctrine,,,nothing true about it.
uwique 2 weeks ago
@BeBeSoFly11 "The ONE and ONLY (TRUE) CHURCH"
HOW SO ?
I ask "why do I have to be the one to tell them this is false teaching" because how will they KNOW unless they are told.
GREAT CROWD builder I guess! Worship with the Campbellites or you go to HELL !!
USAFreedomReform 2 weeks ago
To the minmumdog: How can you justify the use of instrumental music in worship today??? And by who's authority is it authorized in worship??? I would like to know.....and as I said David and his use should be in no way use to justify such an act....in New Testament worship you will find no use of instrumental worship if so please enlighten....seems like you would benefit from a back to basics bible study it sure wouldn't hurt.
Sax3200 2 years ago
Sax I agree to whole heartedly with you and so does the Bible. When David offered that worship, he was playing a "Beautiful Harp" one of the most calming and relaxing instruments, but God told him to "Stop that foul Noise, and thats what God Called It, and No one can say it was just the Church saying it, it was God. Get back to the basics is correct and get it with an understanding, "Sax" thanks for standing firmly on God's Word
ms2damsweet2 2 years ago
Where are the songs you sing in church justified in the Bible? The Bible doesn't say anything about the way you sing or these hymns sing from the 1800s or Stamps and Baxter or whatever.
The Bible doesn't say anything about using indoor toilets or central air and heat, or antibiotics either, but you use those dont' you? The USA is willfully stupid and ignorant.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
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HAIL SATAN !!!!!
333xxxu7x 2 years ago
There is no taking chances in the church...that's why us church of christ members stick to the bible 110%...There is not a single example of an instrument in church services in the new testament...and we are commanded to sing from our hearts only in the book of Ephesians...
assassian93 2 years ago
WRONG!. Church of Christ stick to their FANATICAL AND RADICAL interpretation of the Bible. That's because in a tiny little world, who choose to pretend that a whole wide world is out there that God also created, does not exist. Church of Christ and other fundamentalists choose to pretend that their little radical religious movement out of the USA in the 1800s is all that exists and all that matters in God's eyes.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
@ServusGrueziHallo: Read your bible son/maam..(WHOEVER YOU ARE)! The Church of Christ was the (FIRST) church. It was here over 600 years before the Catholic Church and the rest of MAN MADE buildings. Again, READ YOUR BIBLE!! When Jesus said in Matt 16:18, "Upon this rock I will build (MY CHURCH) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. He said, his church...NOT CHURCHES!! This isn't an argument...just telling the "TRUTH"...again...READ YOUR BIBLE!!! READ ROMANS 16:16.."READ YOUR BIBLE
BeBeSoFly11 2 years ago
Maybe YOU should read your Bible without doing so much reading between the lines. I'd like to know how in your head, "upon this rock I build my church" translates in your brain to the modern-day Church of Christ denomination, which was founded in the 1800s in America, a product of the Second Great Awakening? That is hardly 600 years ago or before the Catholic church!
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
And why do you interpret "church" as one specific denomination? All these various denominations we have today in America, didn't even in Jesus' time. His church is the combination of all who believe in him, regardless of denomination.
I thought maybe Church of Christ had mellowed and become more rational since my childhood, but I see you guys are as nuts as ever.
ServusGrueziHallo 2 years ago
The use of instrumental music was never authorized by the Lord in the worship service......and David shouldn't be your example........Jesus hung and died on the cross not David!!!
Sax3200 2 years ago
Why and how do you extrapolate from where scripture is silent, that use today of musical instruments in church is wrong? Your reasoning that Jesus hung on the cross and not david is just silly and without logic. The instruments David used somehow went out with the new covenant? I think not. You would do well do to a study on biblical liberty. Oh, but this is the same group who teaches the error of baptismal regeneration. Law came thru Moses, Grace and Truth thru Jesus.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
AMEN!!!
2bleavin 2 years ago 4
This is the truth.
beloved11000 1 year ago
to fareel2368, I'm totally agree with you, I just wrote what the Bible says, go back and read it; I think you missunderstood my comment. I belong to the CoC in Panama, Panama city
vtech2608 2 years ago
Yes Im sorry for not reading closer Please Forgive
MsAugust68 2 years ago
I am not CoC, but I enjoyed this song greatly. Just enjoy the music and praise, and if you disagree with a theology, GET YOUR OWN VIDEO!!!! I do not have to agree with a church on everything to enjoy their praise. I promise you in their hearts, these people are sincere. Great Job.
JOELW999 2 years ago
The Lord is so awesome - he makes prasing him so simple! Just singing in the spirit with our voice ~ now that's as simple as it gets - NO additives & NO preservatives NEEDED!
cudb2ladylike4u 2 years ago
vtech 2608 we are not under the law anymore. Jesus fulfilled that law. God is using whom he will now. Women will and are prophesing. You need to understand why women were told to keep silent in the church, BACK THEN. Why do some of your minister call themselves Dr. when that is not one of the offices in the Bible. Hmmmm. If the COC is so right why call themselves a Dr when that's not one of the offices mentioned in the Bible.
fareel2368 2 years ago 2
they may be doctors of course but to be a Christain is the first and for most important thing in our lives .
snod1954 2 years ago
in responding to psychicpsycho20 : I go to a predominantly black coc. the church use to be a baptist church and they converted over in the late 80's and early 90's. we do not have slave mentality at all. we serve Jesus. We are well known in our community for how much love is there at the church.
kingzalla 3 years ago 2
Nice version this powerful song. Here I labor and toil as I look for a home,
Just a humble abode among men,
While in Heaven a mansion is waiting for me
And a gentle voice pleading "come in".
CHORUS:
There's a mansion now empty, just waiting for me
At the end of life's troublesome way.
Many friends and dear loved ones will welcome me there
Near the door of that mansion some day.
tygbro 2 years ago
The differences are not so great as you may think. Instrumental music is one area, but the key issue is whether baptism is really for the remission of sins - are you saved before baptism or upon being baptized? He may be afraid to ask you about this because he is afraid of alienating you, or maybe he is not sure of where Baptists stand on this. If you like him, ask him about this. As a woman who considers herself a simple Christian I believe you can't go wrong using the Bible as your blueprint.
annichem 3 years ago
I can tell you that women are not allow to speak according to 1 Corinthians 14:34, in which clearly says "Let your women keep silence in the Churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law".
vtech2608 3 years ago
the Man is the head of the woman, as the bible says. They were too keep silent in the Churches to show a sign of humbleness and respect. this doesnt mean women can not teach, but they should not preach in a church service. Did anyone ever notice how God didnt punish Eve until Adam ate the fruit. He put the man in charge and when a man lets a woman lead that goes against Gods will.
cuzzintruck 2 years ago
I was a member of the COC at one time.Women were not allowed speak in this "church".The only area in which females were used was in the nursery.There was no music allowed.There was a significant feeling of racial separatism in the predominately White COC congregations.The predominately Black COC members seemed to show a type of slave mentality,not spiritually free.All members(of both congregations)had to sign a card for attendance and cards are picked up after services.Spied on each other also.
psychicpsycho20 3 years ago
You mention black COC churches having a slave mentality and while listening to them sing...I did feel like I was stuck in time or something. I felt like "massa" was going to come beat us for singing or something. Especially at the chorus part when that lady was singing opera-ish super loud. lol Oh, and by no means am I trying to offend anyone. I find people different than me quite interesting!
tharrell07 3 years ago
Lol. I attend the COC, but the "massa" comment almost killed me! Lol! Hilarious.
sparks199 2 years ago
I'm glad you were tickled. I hope no one was offended, but that was just my observation.
tharrell07 2 years ago
Where did yo live I have never heard of such a Church . But some call themselves The Church of Christ Not COC.Even that offens me. But not really Christ said they will come in Sheeps Clothing but inwardly they are ravaging wolves. Judge for your selves . But to even enter into a place that does not hold his name is a shame to me . You will know for God said they will all know from the least to the oldest .
snod1954 2 years ago
differences. Also, I know all Church of Christ churches aren't non-instrumental. But for the ones that are non-instrumental...do they listen to gospel songs on the radio? Like when traveling, do they listen to the radio in the car? If not, as Christians, what do they consider entertainment other than reading the bible?
tharrell07 3 years ago
singing is the most natural way to praise God. God gave man the ability to speak. He wants to be served by the living not by an object that is dead. Man puts the life into an instrument and God put the life into man. Man is Gods instrument so he wants us to praise him correctly in service. You can praise God anywhere, are u not praising God when you sing unto him? Yes christians listen to the radio, but my car and Gods house are 2 different places.
cuzzintruck 2 years ago
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13BedRock72 2 years ago
I like to eat . and Read the Bible. and cook , and clean , and love my family and sing with my voice only not because i dont enjoy music , it is just not allowed in Church.
snod1954 2 years ago
I have a question....well more than one. Here goes...
I go to a non-denominational church with a baptist title and I happen to be musically inclined as my entire family is. I really like this guy whose family is church of christ. I know he likes me too but he just won't approach me. Do you think it's possible that he won't approach me because our families and beliefs are so different? BTW, our families are great friends as both our families are significant figures in the community despite our..
tharrell07 3 years ago
The differences are not so great as you may think. Instrumental music is one area, but the key issue is whether baptism is really for the remission of sins - are you saved before baptism or upon being baptized. He may be afraid to ask you this for fear of alienating you, or maybe he is not confident in his understanding of where Baptists stand on this. If you like him, ask him about it. I am a woman, a simple Christian, and I believe you can't go wrong when using the Bible as your blueprint.
annichem 3 years ago
Christ will Win out here He did in my situation I am married to a Chrstian Now I lived with him for 20 Years before he was baptized into the Church of Christ. We are happy now and I dont have to worry about his salvation. PS where in the bible does it mention any other Church than that be The Churches of Christ that are in Christ or God , Same Person.There is no other name under heaven where by you can be saved than Jesus Christ. The Churches of Christ Salute You Romans 16:16
snod1954 2 years ago
TOTALLY A-W-E-S-O-M-E! Thank You.
...I was in LA in July, but didn't know this type of singing was there. I will definitely contact you on my next visit in 2009. Be blessed. -Hymnchoir
Hymnchoir 3 years ago
is dat broda Walsh?
txstormchaser2003 3 years ago
you know applause in the church is wrong. it is.
If Avalon Church Of Christ in L.A. forbids anyting that was not mentioed in the New Testament, like musical instruments then they have to forbid Applause and Hand-Clapping during Worship. I know because Acapella Chruch Of Christ in my area wouldnt have Applause, Lifting your hands, Cheering, Hand-Clapping during songs, and dancing during church service. they kick you out if you applauded during their services.
1050HzSineWaveTone 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this beautiful and uplifting hymn. No need for musical instruments because when we sing we are in fact "teaching and admonishing one another" with the words contained in the hymn. The words and the melody in your heart is what is needed according to the scriptures. Nothing more is commanded and where the Bible is silent, we better remain silent.
roycom22 3 years ago 2
The music played from a saved person is from/with the heart to God...
Please see Mathew 26:7-
"a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume and poured it on his head while he sat at the table.But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?"
What you see as waste Christ does not and has not forbidden..unless God said dont play music its sinful we have no leg to stand on to forbid it at all..we are free to worship"
datnyone 3 years ago
SINGING What with? Grace in your heart not instuments! with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
kaner11 3 years ago 2
A dry service
datnyone 3 years ago
oh I see sorry he was just using your name sorry
MsAugust68 2 years ago
ok so ALL scripture is inspired by God I agree. So then I ask again how often do you make Animal sacrifices to forgive your sins? you dont because Jesus came to bring a new covenant. And in that new covenant we are told to SING singular. Just because God didnt say dont use instruments does not give authority to use it. E.G go to the shop and buy me bread and you come back with bread coke candy and pizza. and you say but you didnt say i couldn't its a weak argment speak where scripture speaks.
kaner11 3 years ago 2
Kaner11...The nt says Jesus is our ultimate sacsrifice so your argument is finished..
Colossians 3:16
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in PSALMS and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
datnyone 3 years ago
whats Kener 11
MsAugust68 2 years ago
when did you last slaughter a bull or goat for your sins to be forgiven for a year? because thats in the bible too. your using old law to justify something thats not in the new covenant.
kaner11 3 years ago 2
kaner11 ..the pslams is not a law..There was never a law on music..except not to play strange music..or to other gods...Your churches man made doctrines are religious pride and not Biblically sound..I thank God I go to a Bible church
PSALM 150
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance:
datnyone 3 years ago
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snod1954 2 years ago
Which denomination do you attend
MsAugust68 2 years ago
2Tim2:16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(Instrument allowed)
PSALM 150
3 Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.
4 Praise him with the timbrel and dance:
datnyone 3 years ago
Amos 6:
1. Woe to those who are at ease in Zion
And to those who feel secure in the mountain of Samaria,
5. Who improvise to the sound of the harp,
And like David have composed songs for themselves,
Acts 17:30. "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,
What do you think the
quabot 3 years ago
Repent from Mechanical instruments used in christian worhip??? LOL..your religious non Biblical doctrines have got you confused my friend.
datnyone 3 years ago
18. And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
19. speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord;
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I think we can agree that the worship of singing and making melody in our heart is commanded, yes?
Now, if God goes the effort to command making melody in the heart during worship in the church, why doesn't he include musical instruments for worship? Why are YOU ordering it
quabot 3 years ago
Sorry, that is Ephesians 5.
quabot 3 years ago
Please study what a psalm is.."it accompanies music"
Ephesians 5:19
19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; (KJV)
Colossians 3:16
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (KJV)
datnyone 3 years ago
Well I must disagree with you. In the Greek when the word Psalmos or psallo is used the rule of grammar is the the instrument being pluck must be specified. Eph 5:19 and Col 3:16 both specified It is the heart. Also, the comand is for everyone so solos and choirs are an addition of man.
bibleknowledge 3 years ago
The music played from a saved person is from/with the heart to God...
Please see Mathew 26:7-
"a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume and poured it on his head while he sat at the table.But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?"
What you see as waste Christ does not and has not forbidden..unless God said dont play music its sinful we have no leg to stand on to forbid it at all..we are free to worship"
datnyone 3 years ago
bibleknowledge, thank you for explaining the deal with the word psalm.
quabot 3 years ago
I agree with the Word..
(Psalm 4:1)
For the choir director; on stringed instruments. A Psalm of David. Answer me when I call, O God of my righteousness! You have relieved me in my distress; Be gracious to me and hear my prayer.
datnyone 3 years ago
Do You worship Christ or David I can not tell.
MsAugust68 2 years ago
If we look up the word psalms in both verses in the Greek (Strong's) we will learn:
5568 yalmo,j psalmos {psal-mos'}
Meaning: 1) a striking, twanging 1a) of a striking the chords of a musical instrument 1b) of a pious song, a psalm. This word comes from psallo (5567) meaning to play on a stringed instrument (celebrate the divine worship with music and accompanying odes). the psalms of Ephesians and Colossians are the inspired psalms of the Hebrew Canon."
datnyone 3 years ago
I know. That's why the CONTEXT is so important:
"SPEAKING to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual SONGS, SINGING and making MELODY in your HEART to the Lord."
Of course, the LYRICS are still just as inspiring as they have always been, made even more beautiful in the acapella.
How fortunate we are that God foresaw this debate and and put the definitions we would need right there in the Scriptures for us!
quabot 3 years ago
Yoy know YOU are getting closer hope you make it , You speak nonsense,
snod1954 2 years ago
Im making room 4 it while false teahcers and preachers rebuke it..they are false ministers that preach their OWN doctrine and not the Doctrin of Christ and of God...
datnyone 3 years ago
datnyone, I don't understand your comment because you used the pronoun "it" but didn't say what "it" is.
You pointed out that the psalms are often (if not always) written for a choir director, on stringed instruments.
Notice Eph 4:11. And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
12. for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ;
If he gave them all they need, why no musician
quabot 3 years ago
quabot.. The early church had no buildings, pews, large buildings..get rid of yours and have house church..cuz thats what they did..and at the first communion they all drank from one cup..how many do you guys use??? your arguments are crazy
datnyone 3 years ago
The argument for the one cups comes from the example of Jesus instituting the Lord's Supper. I'll quote from Matthew 26:27. And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;"
He was serving 12 men. They may have all been able to drink from the cup before it was empty.
Before we continue, I need to ask a question: In a church of 70, a cup like Jesus used would not give a sip to all. How would you guarantee every one a drink?
quabot 3 years ago
The catholics used to keep filling the 1 cup..I dont believe in Gods people arguing over any of theese petty arguments..Its the heart...and whoever is justified is justified By Christ..lest we have room to boast...and there is no room..we have his righteousness
datnyone 3 years ago
No Catholics Mentioned in the Scriptures of The Bible ,
snod1954 2 years ago
Look at acts 2:46 & 48. You will notice that 3000 souls were baptized into Christ on the day of Pentecost. Then they (Christians) worshiped in the TEMPLE and broke bread (Lord's Supper) in houses. So your statement that they had no buildings is wrong.
It seems to have depended on the size of the congregation or the purpose of the meeting.
Also, we do not know how large any given congregation was, or whether the congregations in homes built a hall for themselves later when their size grew.
quabot 3 years ago 2
The temple was Jewish
datnyone 3 years ago
The temple was Jewish. Indeed. So how do you explain Acts2:46?
quabot 3 years ago
Psalms our Biblical worship book mentions its and thats enough..you are not rightly dividing the word of truth..but denominational in your approach of the scriptures
datnyone 3 years ago
Anything else is an addition of men, to please others and keep them. No where in the new testamen does it say to use the old testamen for worship purposes, but to teach,correct, as evidenceTim3:16. Furthermore, 2Pet 1:3 says God has given us all things that pertain to life and godliness. How come we were not instructed to play an instrument. Also the commandment sing is for the entire church, if instrument were fine then the entire church has to play.
bibleknowledge 3 years ago
We were not commanded not to play instuments..we were instructed that we are "free" and not bound by your denominational rules..forbidden things of men
datnyone 3 years ago
I thought we had already agreed that nowhere are we commanded to "NOT PLAY" instruments.
Are you just emotionally attached to arguing about what the scripture doesn't say?
quabot 3 years ago
Amos Ch 6 READ
MsAugust68 2 years ago
I have already quoted Amos Ch 6 here. What's your point?
quabot 2 years ago
We were not commanded not to serve RC and Moonpies for the Lord's supper, either. I guess the difference is that some people are governed by what the Bible says; others hedge their bets on what the Bible does not say. There cannot be "denominational rules" in the church of Christ because it isn't a denomination in the first place. A denomination is a smaller piece of a larger organization - the church of Christ is not a piece or fragment of anything. It is simply "the church".
bjobe1964 3 years ago
Luke 9:4650, we read:
An argument started among the disciples as to which of them might be the greatest. But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking in their heart, took a child and stood him by His side, and said to them, Whoever receives this child in My name receives Me, and whoever receives Me receives Him who sent Me; for the one who is least among all of you, this is the one who is great. John answered and said,
datnyone 3 years ago
Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us. But Jesus said to him, Do not hinder him; for he who is not against you is for you.
datnyone 3 years ago
Well, those are good verses, but I do not see the pertinence.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
The pertinence is in your group seperating itself and thinking itself more highly than it aught to because thewy dont play a drum..how foolish..For on Christ the solid Rock the church stands..we glory in him alone...not Thou shalt nots of splinter groups
datnyone 3 years ago
I never heard of anyone thinking more highly of himself because he didn't play a drum. I can't play one, but wouldn't mind learning how. I can play the piano, however, by ear and do so often. I have no idea what you are talking about.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
Jesus had 12 Apostles and one more if you count Paul. Jesus also gave power for 70 other men to cast out devils also these men went along in their lifetime doing just that , I think this was who He was talking about.,Who else could he have been talking about, It was Jesus who had the power to do the miracles that he did, Heal the sick ,Raise the dead , But It tells us in Corinthans that all that would stop after the ones he gave the power to work miracles. lives were over on earth.
snod1954 2 years ago
To The General Assembly and Church of the First Born. SCRIPTURE
snod1954 2 years ago
I know the church is described by different names in the Bible. I have no objection to any of them. I also know that a number of religious groups have man-made names along with man-made creeds. Personally, I'd burn the creeds and change the name. The "church of Christ" suits me just fine.
bjobe1964 2 years ago 3
Jewish people in a jewish temple reading the psalms..
datnyone 3 years ago
"Jewish people in a jewish temple reading the psalms..."
Is that your response to Acts 2:46? So you don't believe those were people in Christ worshiping Christ?
quabot 3 years ago
It might have been built by Jewish People but Christ did not use it for Jewish Worship It has changed here the old is nailed to the cross the new is Jesus Christ a Christain. Risen from the Dead Those old Jews were trying to hold on the the old law that moses gave but Christ died because it was blemished law. Christ said You are not a jew outwardly , but inwardly. We are all the same in the eyes of God IF we are in Christ . If you dont understand . Read the King James Version of the Bible
snod1954 2 years ago
Col2:21-23
If you have died with Christ to the world's way of doing things, why do you let others tell you how to live? It's as though you were still under the world's influence.People will tell you, "Don't handle this! Don't taste or touch that!"because God is not the author of these traditions, therefore they are not that which we are obligated to do." (ex not playing instruments..)
datnyone 3 years ago
I dont see instrumental music as waste but God never asked for it. Even in the old testament he never asked for it Amos 5:23 But he allowed it. Instrument are not used in the new testamen church not because it says sing but because it doesnot say play. God says sing and make melody in your hearts.
bibleknowledge 3 years ago
God also says to plar and dance b4 the Lord for it is written..and psalms is not the TORAH
datnyone 3 years ago
This is old testatment . The Old Covenant is done away . The New Testament is what we are to go by .
MsAugust68 2 years ago
music was never a covenant, it was a way of praisin gGod the laws of moses and circumscision was the covenant. food and salvation changed with the new covenant. hey were ever 2 or 3 are gathered brother you can have church dont pin God down to a building He is every were. dont just worship him at church worship him at home. some Coc label this as sin which is far fetched and not biblical
Acerrak 2 years ago
Col 2: 23 again...
"These things look like wisdom with their self-imposed worship, [false] humility, and harsh treatment of the body. But they have no value for holding back the constant desires of your corrupt nature."
Music or not doesn't matter...
datnyone 3 years ago
Honestly, I understand that you are very interested in talking about instrumental music, but since Col 2:23-23 doesn't mention it, and neither why did Jesus or his Apostles when discussing worshiping God in Spirit and Truth, I'm not the one to ask about the subject.
quabot 3 years ago
It was not a "christian church" the people were Jewish and went to the jewish temple..they believed in Jesus..and Sang/prayed/read the psalms which said to play instruments
datnyone 3 years ago
datnyone, you pretend to quote Col 2: 23 and then say "Music or not doesn't matter..." but then become indignant when you see it not used, and constantly make references to Psalms. So obviously it matters to you.
quabot 3 years ago
A dry service
datnyone 3 years ago
Better a "dry" scriptural service than a "wet" unscriptural one with innovations and inventions of men. At least these people are striving to follow the Bible.
bjobe1964 3 years ago
Striving to be an "ELITE" group, seperating themselves from the Body with foolish arguments and thoughts of superiority and self righteousness....On Christ the Solid Rock of Righteousness we should all stand..All other ground is sinking sand.
datnyone 3 years ago
Do you know what the boby of Christ really is Explain it please.
snod1954 2 years ago