Democratic People's Republic of North Korea (anti-DPRK comments prohibitied)

[Underboss85]

DPRK book club :)

[yrigado123]

great

[allknowfather]

There is a need for peace and knowledge shared no matter where we live on the earth.

[xxxdieselyyy]

Thanks for the vid dude. And in 0:54 I would say that is a typical TT programme (teacher training) in a national industry, which was typical. Well, nowhere is paradise, but life in DPRK as a factory worker to MUCH MUCH MUCH more ASEAN nation except for a handpick few, in terms of standard of livin'.

Consumerism is low, but life is not debt and mechanical. OVertime in DPRK is STRICTLY prohibitted for ex. Those factory conditions are MUCH Cleaner than in my country i would say.

[Guevaristas]

@xxxdieselyyy how do you know all this? Good points. Yes, the DPRK is no utopia. Are you in asia?

[xxxdieselyyy]

@Guevaristas -------->Why I Have been there in 80s :) And we have friendly relations w/ both the Korea's in my country (India)- access to DPRK is not that obscure to us esp if u do commerce w/ concerns there. We also have foreign exchange progs w/ the DPRK tho after 80s, the scale of p2p dealings has sobered down considerably.

[Guevaristas]

@xxxdieselyyy so DPRK trades with India? New Zealand also trades with Cuba,hmm

[xxxdieselyyy]

@Guevaristas ---------->Before 1980s, we had regular commerce deals. We still do, but level of commerce has come very down. They used to be the paymasters and we used to be the supplier (leather biz). One thing I can salute the DPRK was the fact they paid their suppliers cash and carry for 1 year purchase order in advance. In modern world, I find my insignificant third world arse giving 180 day credit to even multi billion dollar giants like Hyundai for crap like leather.

[Guevaristas]

@xxxdieselyyy hmm interesting, you know a lot. AK47 was not a good example lol. You have first hand knowledge of the DPRK

[amliketocomment]

2.53 JUKI Saw machine Brand Japan ^^

[Guevaristas]

@amliketocomment so what's your point?

[nelsonmars]

The last thing man needs is more divisiveness. When we impose our beliefs, desires, or ideology on someone else, we achieve only strife. An ancient text says, "Man has dominated man to his own injury." Would you not agree?

Thanks again for your time.

(PS, this is what I meant when I earlier said that, to make conversation with different viewpoints, neither anger nor resentful displeasure [or censorship] are necessary)

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

it is an unfortunate necessity, but coerced egalitarianism is needed. The other option is to revert to a dog eat dog mentality. There are huge inequalities in the west etc, you know all this.

The only reason comments were prohibited is that some were high-jacking these vids for their own political agendas.

"Man has dominated man to his own injury." Would you not agree? Arguably that's correct, but there are always exceptions

Thanks for your questions.

[Guevaristas]

'Article 67

Citizens are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, demonstration and association.

The State shall guarantee conditions for the free activity of democratic political parties and social organizations.'

[nelsonmars]

@Guevaristas

Many countries have constitutions, but that is hardly a guarantee. The United States has a constitution, yet you distrust this country.

It just seems very hard to believe the portrayal of the DPRK being a paradise, when there is so much secrecy & mystery behind it. If democratic, why was power appointed from father to son. How does that fit into the communist ideology?

The originators of the 'democratic' system, the Greeks, had elections. Are there elections in the DPRK?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

Re-election as DPRK leader

'On 9 April 2009, Kim was re-elected as chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission,[74] and made an appearance at the Supreme People's Assembly. This was the first time Kim was seen in public since August 2008. He was unanimously re-elected and given a standing ovation.[75]'

Wikipedia

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars North Korea is not a strictly Marxist state, it operates on the ideology of the "Juche". See Kim Jong's "On the Juche idea", which is on the net.

Do you view ancient greek civilization as the paradigm for modern day elections?

[nelsonmars]

I do see the ancient Greek civilization as the paradigm for modern day democracies. They invented and legitimized the idea. Personally, I don't believe in any government on the planet. What I do recognize are the benefits of living on this part of the planet. This society, allows people to utilize things invented here, even to freely criticize and explore it. Your use of YouTube, Google and Wikipedia prove that. Thank you for your time. It was interesting.

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars Thanks for your questions. Many doubt Wikipedia, but after investigation, it was stated on a particular TV promramme to be "98% accurate". Also, many of it's articles are written by academics

[Guevaristas]

'Article 75

The citizens shall have freedom to reside in and travel to any place.'



[Guevaristas]

'Article 72

Citizens are entitled to free medical care, and all persons who are no longer able to work because of old age, illness or a physical disability, the old and children who have no means of support are all entitled to material assistance. This right is ensured by free medical care, an expanding network of hospitals, sanatoria and other medical institutions, State social insurance and other social security systems.'

[Guevaristas]

DPRK Constitution

'Article 69

Citizens are entitled to submit complaints and petitions.

Complaints and petitions shall be investigated and dealt with according to procedure and within the period fixed by law.'

[nelsonmars]

Can people from say, Cuba, Vietnam or China freely tour the DPRK, or perhaps take up residence? Are government chaperons mandatory for all visitors, as the western media presents? If so, why is that?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

you single out the DPRK everytime, you portray it as a dictatorship. The DPRK has it's own Constitution, laws, and regulations. it has every right to place limits and restrictions on visitors from any nation. There are numerous enemies of socialist states, security is essential

Again, by analogy, how many Mexicans have been killed trying to escape into the USA-the land of liberty and freedom

[nelsonmars]

I am not singling the DPRK, your vid is ABOUT the DPRK. Frankly, the DPRK has intriguing singular characteristics. According to the ACLU, an organization inside the US, approximately 6000 people have died in the last 15 years. Even so, millions among millions have set up residence int he US.

When visiting the US, you are not shadowed by government agents, nor is the border so heavily militarized. Though I can see your point of national security, the extent seems, a bit excessive.

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

North Korea's Socialist Constitution-

'Article 75

The citizens shall have freedom to reside in and travel to any place.'

[nelsonmars]

Forgive my intrusiveness, but could you clarify your earlier statement about human equality. Is it not illegal, by penalty of death, to question the government, or either disrespect Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung?

Why was power handed over from father to son, when this was not done in any other communist country? Correct me if I am wrong but, isn't that by definition a dynasty, and thus contrary to the essence of communism. Not even China passes on power in that fashion.

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

'Is it not illegal, by penalty of death, to question the government, or either disrespect Kim Jong Il or Kim Il Sung?'

are you claiming it is? You made the assertion now provide the proof

[nelsonmars]

I apologize if that was offensive. Again, I based that statement on observations made from recorded visits to the country. When some (western) tourists question the adulation and reverence given to these two men, the guides seem offended and even threaten them by saying, 'I cannot gaurantee your safety,' or 'your leaving the country tomorrow.'

If people from other communist states are not free to roam about, can people from the DPRK travel abroad?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars Of course, in a socialist state it is wrong to criticize eg the President. Socialist states operate on collectivist principles. Citizens have free speech provided this is not used for subversive means. Ultimately, collectivist principles trump individual rights. The socialist state, it's furtherance, is the goal. Capitalist reactionaries ranting about western so-called "free-speech" are only tolerated to a degree, why? Because they want to subvert and destroy the socialist state

[nelsonmars]

Inquiry.

Do you believe YouTube, computers and the internet would have been invented under communist ideology? If yes, how would you rationalize that? Is it correct to criticize the school of thought that produces such inventions, and yet utilize them at the same time?

I am no expert on communism, nor the mentality of adherents, but aren't the aforementioned items completely western inventions, that, correct me if i am wrong, have no place in Marxist ideology. Communism is counter excess, no?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

Firstly, nations like the USSR were socialist not communist.

Emulation leads to many innovations in a socialist state, see RedNick's vid on this. Socialism brought Russia out of being a backward peasant nation into a first world nuclear armed super-power.

There are dozens of inventions attributable to socialist states, eg. the AK 47 etc. Who put the first man in space (Yuri Gagarin)? the USSR did. See also Erich Honnecker innovation in the DDR -"consumer socialism".

[nelsonmars]

@Guevaristas

Interesting, I thought communism was a branch of the broader socialism. If they emulate (imitate), is original thinking discouraged, or even possible?

If I am not mistaken, Russia acquired nuclear capability by stealing plans from the US; though Nazi Germany started it all.

You mention a weapon as an innovation. I meant to imply what ORIGINAL concepts originate from such societies; like medical treatments, scientific discoveries, consumer products, dance, music, etc.

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

some random items from google-

The first artificial satellite was Sputnik 1, launched by the Soviet Union on 4 October 1957.

On April 12, 1961, the Soviet Union became the first country to put a man into space.

The AK-47 Assault rifle - Mikhail Kalashnikov.

[Guevaristas]

@Guevaristas

You wouldn't call this a Russian invention but Sikorsky was born in Russia.

Igor Sikorsky is considered to be the "father" of helicopters.

1909 : Igor Sikorsky build his first machine in Russia he fled from the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 and went to the USA

[Guevaristas]

@Guevaristas

Sergei S. Bryukhonenko. He was also a Soviet scientist whose work led to breakthroughs in open heart surgery. He also invented a machine, a version of which is commonly used today to give people blood transfusions.

Bryukhonenko's blood transfusion invention was developed in the 1940s.

Source(s):

I wrote a paper in college about an experiment to which both of these men's research contributed.

[nelsonmars]

Thanks. I even found out about Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Vishnevskiy, who conducted the first cardiac surgery under local anesthesia. Medical progression is very interesting.

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

socialism is the first phase of Communism. Under socialism all industry and land is placed under public ownership, there is no exploitation, no capitalists. Essentailly, the country is transformed into one huge workshop run by central planners and a planned economy. It is a workers state

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

Q would youtube have been invented under communist ideology?

That's a hypothetical question, one that even you cannot be sure of the answer of.

Is it correct to criticise the school of thought that produces these inventions and yet at the same time utilize them?

Exploited workers, set up and run the internet etc, they the work on the factory floor. Essentially it is what "they" have produced that is being utilized, but there are always will be ethical contradictions

[nelsonmars]

Interesting points. I credit YouTube with being a western invention because, personally, it fits in with the liberal culture. Most technological inventions took place in the West (Aerospace, Artificial intelligence, Biotechnology, Nanotechnology, Nuclear physics, Optoelectronics, Robotics, Telecommunications). Are there such equivalents in the DPRK?

Why do you call them exploited workers? The IT industry is one of the highest paying in the nation. I work in a similar field.

[nelsonmars]

True, there are, nor will there ever be, a Utopian human government on earth. Yet, if no human is perfect, then why venerate ANY human being above others? Are we not ALL prone to injury, old age, sickness and death?

If any country claims to possess a paradisaical society, would its border's not be overwhelmed by people wishing to ENTER?

My father once said, 'those who are quick to anger, do so, because they have no valid argument, and thus wish to force theirs on you'

What do you think?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

We Communists are not trying to venerate any human being above any other- it's the opposite. No human being is greater than another- try telling that to the capitalists.

What does your second paragraph mean. Can you be more direct?

With respect, your father's observation is a mere generalization. Someone who is quick to anger may well have a valid argument, this could account for their anger, perhaps they are angry at having to contend with the invalid arguments of others

[nelsonmars]

@Guevaristas

Then could you explain why pictures of your leaders are ever present, if no one person is superior to another? Why is it prohibited to criticize the government?

All I wish to imply is, if I have something to be very proud of, I would be very open to inquiry. Perhaps, if there is a paradise in the DPRK, would it not be beneficial for mankind for them to share there success?

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars

Do you know how many enemies socialis countries have eg. in the west?? To simply open up their borders to public scrutiny would be political and economic suicide. Have you ever read the reasons why the Berlin wall was built? It was because of subversive terrorist actions carried out by organizations in West Berlin.

These examples can be verified for you

[Guevaristas]

@nelsonmars there are also terrorists and spies wishing to enter

[Guevaristas]

study what the North Korean people suffered during the Korean war STUDY that

[kax61]

The people of North Korea are great! They will always have my moral support. Great nation! Great leader!

[Guevaristas]

@sciencemunk it's your self interest that is "bad" you inegalitarianism. You are blocked

[Guevaristas]

'...capitalism and imperialism, which has grown fat and on the blood and sweat of the working masses and lorded it over their destiny for centuries, is precipitating irreversibly into bankruptcy and towards its downfall, deep into the grave of history.'

"On the Juche Idea" Kim Jong IL

[Guevaristas]

@sciencemunk you are a pathetic loser of epic proportions, now get lost !

[Guevaristas]

the crap that many of you write about North Korea is alarming, yet unsuprising. You have become brain-washed idiots. Atrocites committed in the North Korea??

Wgat raving hypocrites you truely are: look at the history of imperialism, slavery, native americans, US civil war, A-Bombs on japan, Guantanamo bay, Abu Ghraib, Iraq, on and on the list goes. Not to forget British colonization, eg. Maori in new zealand, aboriginals-Austrailia

You lame lies and crap are pathetic hypocrisy

[trigga1uk]

@Guevaristas what you said all happened, its not lies - we admit it and we learn from it. North korea has none of that, as far as the people are concerned everything is wonderful, nothing is wrong. Yes, america has its problems, especially in bush's reign, a disasterous 8 years for the globe. But north korea is living in the 1950's in the same kind of regime the rest of the world has watched crumble.

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk it's interestin how you want to believe that the west will come through, wake up, and realize it's mistakes and atrocities.

It's like you are fixed, cemented in your views about North Korea. It's as if no matter what they did, you would still judge them or respond with cynicism rather than openess.

You generalize about atrocities in the Soviet Union. Read "Lies Concering the History of the Soviet Union" ??? (google it)

Read it, have the guts to read it

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk citizens

can leave socialist nations. For instance, i knew a dude in Cuba that wanted to leave, but claimed he could not. He made inquiries and was treated well when he inquired. Eventually he got a visa, passport, letter of invitation, and a job, which awaited him in Equador. For years he thought Cuba was a prison, his stories were becoming more pathetic and self-interested everytime he communicated

[Guevaristas]

@byingfung lol, that's truely intellectual

[Guevaristas]

what these people complain about in prior socialist states like Poland etc is a joke. Lack of toilet paper, lines, etc.. Not being abole to own a car, waiting for years to get one.

These fascists deserve the inegalitarianism that capitalism provides for them. Hopefully, one day, they will be on the recieving end of that vile system they adore so much-then they will not be laughing any longer

[1942tj]

I did not understand a word in this video.

[Guevaristas]

communist? Thought you were describing the west

[rynocowboys2003]

so if n korea isnt communist its socialist. I still love n korea. i wish i can visit im sure kim jong il is awesome

[Guevaristas]

there was a web site about some new zealanders that went there, student, from memory.

Know of one north american guy who loved it there.

[kax61]

kim jung il is a great leader

[Guevaristas]

@kax61 yea, read "On the Juche Idea"? Incredible

[Guevaristas]

@kax61 So true, have you read "On the Juche Idea", an amazing book, incredibly deep, a master of the written word is Kim Jong

[pyongyang100]

north korea rules!

[rynocowboys2003]

hell yeha norht korea rules i wish i can visit but i dont know if americans can

[Guevaristas]

think they can, know an american guy who went there is loved it. Long wait for a visa

[Dafaasszisztens]

Apart from political bullying, the CCP has used these events to build a public relations campaign for itself that it is doing such a good job of defeating the so-called "enemies of the state". They are showing off how they have thumped and crushed their opponents into the ground, while the truth of the matter is, they were not against the CCP in the first place; they were merely put on the other side and unnecessarily victimised. This way of doing things is very communist.

[Dafaasszisztens]

They are still persecuting the democracy activists, Falun Dafa practitioners, Tibetans, Uyghurs, Christians and Roman Catholic Church followers. They are also persecuting business leaders like Stern Hu, the Australian citizen who works as a director of mining company Rio Tinto in Shanghai. In all of these persecutions the Chinese have never been able to provide any evidence to justify these actions, which could be verified.

[Guevaristas]

@Dafaasszisztens Tibet has been a part of China for over 700 years-see the vid on CommunistNewZealand's channel

[Dafaasszisztens]

The gathering and numbers hauntingly paralleled with the 1956 uprisings in the Eastern Europe Communist Bloc. The only difference was that the army did not side with the students, but instead shot the protestors, ran over them with tanks and created a horrific bloodbath where hundreds died. It was so tragic that countries all around the world condemned China and the World Trade Organization barred the country for its lack of respect for human rights.

[Guevaristas]

@Dafaasszisztens and how many Mexican etc have been killed, murdred tryint to escape to the USA? Examples exist on both sides

[Dafaasszisztens]

China's ruling party has, and always will, called itself the Chinese COMMUNIST Party. The flag is red and there are communist stars on the flag. During the CCP's 60 years in power, the authoritarian ways of crushing public criticism that questioned the party's rule clearly show a communist-like state. For example, when the 1989 Tiananmen square incident happened, media from all over the world began reporting about the peaceful student movement for a democratic China.

[amliketocomment]

they use saw machine from japan

[Guevaristas]

@amliketocomment lol who does?

[tlqjrdls1226]

now north korea is attacking south korea

I'm south korean student. I dont wanna be an enemy of north. I hope to have a peace with north.

[Guevaristas]

who said DPRK was communist? They are striving towards communism

[rynocowboys2003]

hey guevaristas north korea just removed all forms of communism when they revised their consitution in sep 2006 and replaced it with sogan...so they are still socialist

i dont know why they removed it..it pisses me off i wish they were communist now the only communist country is cuba

china vietnam and laos are socialist sort off

[Guevaristas]

well socialism is where the workers control all land and industry on behalf of the people. This is the first phase of communism.

[Guevaristas]

@rynocowboys2003 hmm always viewed Cuba as socialist. Even Cuba, in the 1990s, amended it's Constitution allowing some private ownership. Cuba is not a pure socialist state. It aslo trades with new zealand-a capitalists country? But in the end it's compromise to survive, but that is never a good thing for a socialist state.

[Donald09231985]

I concur. The original theory of Marx was to STRIVE for Communism. The term "Communist State" is an oxymoron. They are Socialist, but that's still good ^^

[Guevaristas]

Correct, in a Communist society there is NO state

[reallysecretusername]

way to be a useful idiot. north korea isnt even communist.

[Guevaristas]

@reallysecretusername maybe you are the idiot, it's well known North Korea is a socialist state

[Guevaristas]

HerrNebuchadnezzar -you just forgot one, where;s the torrant of abuse and insults ? You must be losing your touch

[davethoven]

anyone who supports this country's tyrannical drunken mass murderer should be sent to live there

[Guevaristas]

@davethoven lol where? to the U$A?

[HerrNebuchadnezzar]

I agree. Capitalism is bringing us to the edge of the void that is complete annihilation of all that is human. Brave New World is the anticipation of what is to happen if it continues to exist. Efficiency and profit, but dehumanization.

I only have one question for socialists worldwide. How can we be 100% sure that the party and those who lead the innevitable revolution are true to their cause ?

I doubt it also, it will lead us to statism and eventual totalitarianism.

[atrumdecretum]

the goal of any capitalist oriented society is to make money, citizens must have money, or the corporations don't make money. If a corporation develops complete power over the people and starts collecting tax dollars, they become THE GOVERNMENT figure it the fuck out, the flaws in the ideology of the US's liberal party are so elementary, they are overlooked. It's like it's a conspiracy, and just to make followers happy, let them have the idea that they are the "intellectual" party. explanation

[LelouchDiBritannia]

Yeah i kinda agree with you but in the end capitalism will destroy the world and everything will be returned with a better solution :)

[kimilsungiste58]

Long Live DPRK and Worker's Party of Korea !

[Guevaristas]

good point Comrade, and any so-called profit would remain in the hands of the State for re-distribution etc, and not in the bank accounts of private business owners, like it does in nz and elsewhere

[otuzniak]

Free workers!

No profit!

[Guevaristas]

@otuzniak Right on Comrade, that's stated in the DPRK's Constitution-workers have been freed from exploitation

[Guevaristas]

"totalitarian"? you assume the western states are not?

In new zealand Parliament retains full power to enact any law it feels like, subject to an (as yet) un-tested common law jurisdiction to strike it down.

There are no entrenched human rights here, none. The new zealand bill of rights Act 1990 was enacted as an ordinary statute, repealable by a simple majority vote in Parliament. There is numerous case-law regarding controversial legislative intervention into human rights in nz

[Guevaristas]

Comrade, i do not know, korean would be handy in DPRK

[StaleCrumbs]

Wish I knew what that writing above that picture on the wall says,thats in that factory.

Anyone know,let me know,thanx :-)

[StaleCrumbs]

Nice Vid Comrade!

[Guevaristas]

@StaleCrumbs Thanks Comrade

[BolivarianYouth]

Interesting. Didn't seem so totalitarian to me.

[trigga1uk]

well it wouldnt be a very good propoganda film if it did look totalitarian.

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk you are just being a cynical brit. What capitalist country, any country, does not exist without some form of coercion, laws are the obvious example. But when it's North Korea, all of a sudden, their regime is unacceptable?? Bloody western hypocrites

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk

'North korea has none of that, as far as the people are concerned everything is wonderful, nothing is wrong.'

You seem to use the west as a paradigm of what a country "ought to be like". Of course North Korea has it's issues, they have ben working to improve things for decades there. Every regime, whether capitalist or socialist has issues, there's no utopia on earth, but you place the bar exceptionally high with regards to North Korea, why is this??

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk

the west is a prison, and billions are held under totalitarianism, a capitalist ruling class dictatorship, however many are completely unaware of this.

Many are ignorant of their class position, have never studied wage slavery, "suplus value", and other aspects of capitalism.

Millions live under the false pretence that they are actually free, but in reality they exist to serve the interests of the ruling class that exploit them.

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk

workers must be educated in ordeer to understand their class position. This takes time, Marxism takes time and effort.

If many wanted to leave the DDR etc, then those inegalitarians failed to comprehend their class status under capitalism

[trigga1uk]

@Guevaristas and the most dangerous thing in modern day Britain is the far left, with the cancer of multiculturalism, tolerance and diversity that is being forced into our society. A whole new brand of self destructive marxism, this is something where i can compare Britain to North korea, a fear of questioning the far left ideals, not from the ruling elite, but from ones peers.

[Guevaristas]

@trigga1uk muticulturalism is not a problem, communism is about internationalism, NOT nationalism.

And remember, what you are complaining of is happening in your own capitalist western society-which has little if any connection to socialism