Ok lets see: when children are found severly abused by straight, the kids are taken but the marriage is never dissolved. Also what about all the joke marriages that take place in Vagas. Drive thru weddings that get dissolved as soon as the booze wears off! How come these bigots are not spending millions trying to strike down those marriages? Why...simple! THIS IS ALL ABOUT LEGALIZING GAY BIGOTRY!
I wish Jay, Brian, Daniel and Selena great success in their upcoming motion picture production. U got 2 INCREDIBLY cute, precious kids there, guys, IMHO. :) Oh, and "the will of the majority always overriding the rights of any minority" has 2 other far shorter and really NASTY names in our language, either TYRANNY (after a fashion), or MOB RULE. I have noticed people on the YES side squirming quite uncomfortably when presented with either one of those terms.OK, probably enough posting 4 now.
3) California Attorney General Jerry Brown WITHDREW from representing his office in the state's defense, stating that California Proposition 8 2008 was in DIRECT VIOLATION of the UNITED States Constitution. That *definitely* got Chief Judge Walker's attention, folks. (Wouldn't it catch YOURS either way?)
4) I found it almost ironic that the Honorable Vaugn R. Walker is one of the very few openly gay Federal judges sitting right now. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has issues with him, 2.
1) Jay & Brian are correct that this is a FEDERAL trial, B-ing heard at the lowest possible FEDERAL court.
2) IF the appeal fails, then YUCCH, yes, but as I am posting this, I just finished watching more RE-enactments from MarriageTrial, and I will B APPALLED if the appeal fails after watching the court report come back 2 life!!! The Supreme Court of the United States was the court who BLOCKED the live (or any) broadcast, so they CLEARLY know about this case in a BIG way already, folks...
well for many people it a matter of morality,...if there is choice then one can be judged based on that choice,...thats why the issue of genetic predetermined behavior is relevant,...if one is genetically predetermined to be gay or a zoophile in your case, then you cannot be justfiably judged,..so there is a motivation to prove genetics are determinative,...
people care because many individuals see these behavors as intrisically immoral.and wrongful.
science is biased against relious or moral views,...they see things as not either right or wrong,..theoretically nothing is either right or wrong,..so anything can be ok....even rape and murder,...which is observable in nature and can be shown to be nessicary...once society sees thing with a moral reletivist perspective its down hill from there....because a logical argument can be made in support of anything ...but do we really want to live in THAT kinda of society?
i however am not looking at this from a moral perspective,...but a sociological one,..i see some of these behaviors as harmful to the people who engage in them and to others,..that will have a detrimental long term affect on society which will eventually lead to its downfall...we're on our way....as more and more individuals seek "equal rights" based on bahvior rather than actual traits we eventually are forced to accept anything.
@endchildsexualabuse so while i think homosexuality in of itself should not be ilegal..i question the validity of taking the issue of social acceptance to far, especially in the absence of any conclusive proof that there will no harm to society...or to individuals....in the long run...im not easily convinced by most sociological studies because of the efforts of those who benefit from them to intentionally mislead and misrepresent or otherwise over-exaggerate the results in their favor.
Please. Killing is morally wrong yet is is sanctioned through 'legitimate' wars, death penalties, lack of health care, etc. Divorce is morally wrong for some, yet it is totally legal. Working on the Sabbath is morally wrong for many, yet no stonings that I've seen. You have to provide a good reason to ban marriage equality. Otherwise, you are just a bigot who feels it is his way or the highway. Sorry, reread your constitution.
People are free to feel whatever they want. They are not free to deny civil rights based on what they feel. Every Supreme Court who has heard the arguments, from Iowa to California to Massachusetts, agree.
Where feelings end, I guess. You want to control people's feelings or something? Good luck with that. So I'll repeat the whole comment again for everyone's benefit. People are free to feel whatever they want. They are not free to infringe on civil rights as a result of their feelings.
You are an American. Here, people are free to feel whatever they want. People are free to think whatever they want. People are free to believe whatever they want. People have broad freedom - but not unlimited - to say whatever they want.
no the problem is,..they like homosexuals think they have proven thier case,...people like you and others are not bright enough to actually read the reaserch they say proves thier claims....most people assume because someone does a study,..that the results are actually proving a claim....so there is a disconnect between what people believe to be true,..and reality, social activism is preasent in alot of the reaserch,..the resukts are then of questionable validity.
for instance,..many people believe that genrtics make you gay,,or a pedophlie,...this is not supported by the data,...many people think you cannot choose who you love,...this is also not supported by the data...the actual data says that most people dont have a "sense of choice" this does not mean they actually did not choose,...only that they believe that they didnt....we do however know people choose to not love, and to dislike others.,,the opposite must be true.
so while genetics may play a role it is not determinative,...environment is however..
is homosexuality a mental illness,....reaserch says no?.....well not exactly....what it does say is homosexuals are no more inclined to suffer "other types" of mental disorders, like schizophrenia, they do not know if homosexuality is a disorder in of its self,...it likely may be in at least some cases.
Do you also 'choose' what you like? Don't you have to try it first before you discover if you like it or not? Most gay people I know tried a straight life and didn't like it. Why don't you try a gay life for awhile and see if you like it.
i did not say that pedophlia will be accepted over night once homosexuals get marraige rights,...it is likely going to take a number of years or decades depending on the political environment,...there will most likely be trends of acceptence that will vary as social views are affected by media, religous views and scientific evidence...these factors influence will cause an uneven but gradual increase in social acceptance of pedophlia,...like homosexuality.
@endchildsexualabuse so while i do sympathize with homosexuals rights in society...unless society;s views remain a constant it is likely to lead to social acceptance of other forms of sexual expression, such as pedophilia and zoophlia...this may be an inevitability if trends continue the way they are....however, there is the possibility that i may be wrong....im only suggesting that there is a high degree of likelihood that i am right...based on the evidence
many people have sex without the expectation of love or a relationship.
dogs cannot consent,...children can..informed consent is unnecessary.
many scientific studies show that children are not harmed by consensual sex with adults,...Rind et al. 1998. passed two peer reviews and says consensual sex between adults and children is not harmful and may even benefit the child is some cases...
many past societies accepted pedophilia and didn't see it as selfish.
Oh, no! SSM is a step on the road - or a step on the slippery slope - inevitably leading to social acceptance of dog-fucking! Imagine a time in the near future --
"I'll be over for tea just after I fuck my dog."
"Certainly. Take your time."
"Hey, did you see the remake of 'A Boy and His Dog'?"
"Yeah. The love scene was so touching!"
Beware! Beware! Don't legalize SSM unless you are prepared to accept dog-fucking! Oh, and legalized child-fucking too!
im not saying that you or i will decide to go fuck kids or dogs..acceptance of homosexuality isnt causing people to do these things,...but it is causing people to be ambivolent toward those who do....the cause of these behaviors is not social acceptence, social acceptance is the vehilcle for which they become legal for those who engage in the behavior...there is not going to be an increase in people who have these attractions ..just an increase in society's acceptance of them.
you say i havnt provided an explination of how this will occurr...even though i have...just saying something isnt true....doesnt make it not true....i gave you the explination and you are outrightly denying it....there is ample scientifric proof of the increase in social acceptance of pedophilia, coinciding with social acceptance of homosexuasl,.. and you are denying that proof...by just saying you dont believe it...that my friend is being obtuse.
It's not a rational explanation. You cannot explain how public acceptance of SSM between consenting homosexual adults who will enjoy the benefits and ogligations of traditional marriage - a traditional institution - leads to public acceptance of dog-fucking and child-fucking! You're a wee bit hazy about what happens in the middle of the "progression" there . . . .
its not at all hazy...you just refuse or are unableto grasp the concepts,..and your politics have clouded your ability to see the facts through all the appeals to your sympathy....dont get me wrong i do sympothize....becasue i happen to be gay.......i just happen to know the issues of my community better than you....i can assure you with absolute certenty that pedophlia is alive and well in the gay community...SSM is opening an ugly can of worms..
So you are gay? That's interesting. Are you celibate now? Have you ever been in a long-term homosexual relationship? Have you ever been in a long-term heterosexual relationship? Were you sexually abused as a child? Have you ever sexually abused a child? Do you practice any particular religion?
yes i was sexually abused as a child by a pedophlie,...why do you think I'm gay?....no Ive never sexually abused a child,...however i happen to know many gay men who have or want to....no i do not practice a religion,...this is not a religious issue...its a sociological one....i have been in both heterosexual relationships and homosexual ones....i am currently celibate of my own choice.
and no there is no scientific proof that sexual orientation is caused by biological factors...while genetic studies have shown a genetic correlation to homosexuality there is no evidence that genes or prenatal hormones actually determine ones sexual orientation...while they may play some role,..the overwhelming amount of evidence suggest that environment is critical....but the gays want you to think they are born gay...to appeal to your sympathy...its not true.
Thanks for the background. I don't think I am going to argue with you anymore. It isn't good for either of us.
Please consider this, though - I am a parent. I have spent my adult lfe caring for my kids. Most of my friends are also parents who have spent THEIR adult lives caring for their kids. Regardless of social attitudes toward SSM, we aren't about to relax laws preventing adults from fucking our kids. Take a poll of parents and you'll see.
"same-sex intergenerational intimacy may be developmentally functional"
"parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a thief of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home..."
pedophlies.."feel they cannot change, and therefore they are convinced they have the same right as other people to pursue the "natural" expression of their sexuality."
"The vast majority of the articles in "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" argue that pedophilia should be freed from categorization as child abuse. In the foreword, Dr. Gunter Schmidt closes by saying that "Each individual case must be looked upon on its own merits...the threat to make all pedophile acts punishable by law can barely be labeled civilized...it implies discrimination and persecution of a minority and should be abolished."
if you want a blow by blow detailed explination, thats too bad...if you cannot extrapolate without me having to spell it out to you in a 400 page report then shame on you.....i suggest you do some reading...start with wiki on pedophlia and zoophilia,..then Rind et al.1998. then go to the ipc website...for starters....then try reading the archives of homosexual behavior....then look up the debate on removing pedophlia from the DSM.
and btw,...appealing to peoples pity or sympathy is the method that gains support...if the arguments are that pedophlis are oppressed, and children can consent, and there is no harm, are true,..then what would prevent people from not eventually accpting pedophlia?....nothing....other than moral conviction..and as i have already demonstrated morality is reletive and society;s views are not set in stone..laws can and do change...as social views change..a fact you cannot refute.
by lowering AOC laws....making a child's consent a legal issue, then parents cannot prosecute if a child's consent is legal;...the scientific community only has to provide proof that a child's consent is valid....for legislators to have reason to remove the AOC obstical....fortunately for now the scientific community is split on the issue of consent.....for now.....30 years ago...the consensus was children cannot consent....there is no consensus now.
Well, that's baloney! There is PLENTY of consensus among parents that adults shouldn't fuck their kids. Parents don't decide these issues based on science. It's a bit more visceral than that.
Parents vote. They elect their legislators. Parents would be interested in a law lowering the legal age of consent for kids to get fucked.
but the problem is this government has already made your vote meaningless....they make policy and change laws all the time with no regard for public oppinion....the SSM issue is a perfect example....science also has the ability to redefine what is abuse and what isnt....and they can define what is harm and what is not....if they say children are not harmed,...what do you think the odds are that many will accept that?....you will be surprized....lol.
will everyone accept pedophlia...no not likely....but as long as there are legal remidies to thwart opposition...then yours or my opinion will not matter....AOC laws are the only mechanism that keeps pedophlia from becoming a issue at the moment....and they hang on a tiny thread.
I'm not saying all homosexuals are pedophlies,...Jenny et al..1993....the only study that suggests that homosexuals are no more inclined to molest children, never directly assessed the sexual orientation of the perpitrators,..they assumed because many were in adult heterosexual relationships that they were actually heterosexual.....this however is false,..we already know many homosexuals get married and even have children in heterosexual relationships.
we also know that many homosexuals conceal their sexual identity from others....the study Jenny et al...qualifies their clams by stating that "identifiably" homosexuals are not any more inclined to molest children than heterosexuals,....this study also ignores the relationship between the gender of the victim and the sexual orientation of the perpitrator,..there are more heterosexuals in the general population than homosexuals.
daddy/boy father/son sexual themes are common in the gay male subculture...you would be outrightly lying if you denied that fact...while pedophilia is common for both heterosexuals and homosexuals,..social acceptance will be gained through the homosexual community, I'm not saying its the fault of the gay community,...all I'm saying is that they will be the vehicle that will lead to social acceptance of pedophilia.
thier tendancy to be more sexually adventurous will lead others to be....monkey see monkey do....then the pedophlies only need to prove that children can consent and are not harmed by consentual sex with adults....there is reaserch that attempts to prove that point,...Rind et al 1998. while this meta analysis has been condemed by our goverment, it is widely cited by the scientific community ,..which is in fact inclined to affect public policy.
Oh, and you didn't answer my question - how does legalization of SSM relate in ANY way to parents accepting laws allowing adults to fuck THEIR kids? Or do you believe that parents' attitudes regarding adults fucking their kids are irrelevant to social and legal change in America?
"Kids NORMALLY do not have enough knowledge to consent in the same way an adult can."
so
animals "never" have enough knowledge to consent either... if it doesn't matter to a zoophile, then why should it matter to a pedophle?...or a rapist for that matter?
it doesn't matter because they are not interested in being honest with themselves and their victims.
but the point is "the slippery slope" once you poison the well the whole village slowly sickens and dies.
endchildsexualabuse employs the "slippery slope" rhetorical fallacy. He even identifies it!
I gather he "argues" that legalizing SSM will lead to legalized bestiality and/or pedophelia. The "argument" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another. He needs to make an "argument" for such a claim.
So, let's assume SSM is legalized - or pick a jurisdiction that has already leaglized it. What happens next? And next? And next?
Once endchildabuse makes his argument showing in stepwise fashion how SSM leads to popualr acceptance of pedophelia and bestiality, we can debate it. Until then, there is nothing.
That's why the "slippery slope" is a rhetorical FALLACY - a bald assertion, without logical support, masquerading as a reasoned argument.
look up zoophilia on wiki,...then look up pedophilia ....and then tell me their arguments are not valid?
just ask dogsneedpleasure...if he thinks he has valid arguments for his behavior....zoophilia and pedophilia have been accepted in many past societies, as well as homosexuality,..coincidentally (not) the same societies that accepted homosexuality also accepted zoophlia and pedophilia as well....the Greeks and the Romans and the Persians most notably.
Sorry, but (1) this isn't ancient Persia or Greece; and (2) correlation of these practices in the ancient world isn't an argument that one will follow from the other in modern America; and (3) you are still asserting the same slippery-slope rhetorical fallacy.
its true that the gay male community routinely romanticizes pedophillic relationships,..daddy/boy father/son sexual themes are common,...you can go on any gay pick up site and find men trolling for "young smooth boys" in the Archive of Homosexual behavior there are numerous articles that advocate sexual relationships with boys and adult males,..several PhD Bruce Rinds studies on pedophillic relationships asserts that these relationships benefit homosexual boys...i can go on.
So, how EXACTLY does legalization of SSM lead to public acceptance of pedophelia and bestiality? What are the steps in your "argument?" How do these steps progress and why is the progression a logical one? How exactly would the current widespread public revulsion for besitiality and pedophelia be overcome?
Perhaps you can begin with an analysis of the states and other countries that have already legalized SSM.
like i said,...pedophilia did not always have the negative conotation that it currently has,...as society becomes more accepting of abberant sexual behavior the revulsion disapears because people justify and seek validation by forming groups that advocate for assumed rights,...you are doing it right now,...pedophiles are doing it right now as well, when the moral line is blurred it becomes easier to cross and it then becomes easier to justfy crossing it.
so while i agree that there is no guarantee that pedophilia or zoophlia will become accepted, if i were to base that assumption on a hypothetical....however the evidence that it is becoming more accepted is proven....you can find much research in this area,..your or my revulsion toward these behaviors are irrelevant here,...its whether or not logical arguments can be made for its advocacy if one person can be convinced by these arguments, then so can another. and so on.
Rind ety al, 1998...a meta anaylsis of the assumed properties of sexual abuse....
has shown that consentual sex between minors and adults is not harmful...if this reaserch is true,..and many people in the scientific community think it is....then pedophilic realtionships are not harmful to chidren,,,another study suggests that as high as 1/4 of the population respond to pedophlic stimuli...thats at least 1/4 who are going to be inclined to accept Rind as justification.
There is absolutely no evidence that legalization of SSM today will make legalization of pedophilia or zoophilia more likely to occur in the future. None. You are employing a cheap rhetorical trick. You might as well argue that legalization of SSM will lead us to accepting animal-to-animal marriages, because individual dog owners know that their doggies love each other!
Before anyone goes off, the reference to dog marriage is a joke! Sort of . . . .
the evidence is history,...do you deny the anthropological and sociological evidence that these behaviors were accepted in past societies?....arent you being a little obtuse,...what makes you think it cannot happen again....how many shaved barely legal teen pornos or youtube accounts that advocate for it do you have to see, in order to prove to you that the behavior is already well on its way toward social acceptance?
"You might as well argue that legalization of SSM will lead us to accepting animal-to-animal marriages,"
this is a straw man argument....the slippery slope I'm describing has occurred already in past societies,...therefore the premise is reasonable,...i am not say that it will result in the end of all humanity,...only that the moral fortitude of a particular society is negatively affected.
so the question is has legalized SSM been around long enough to make the claim?...i suggest not....that there is no nation or society that has legalized SSM long enough to varify that it has no negative affects on those societies,...however social accpetance of homosexuality in general has had negative affects on past societies albiet indirectly...social acceptance of pedophlia and zoophlia is a negative consiquence of aocial acceptance of homosexuality.
I'm not saying that SSM is necessarily intrinsically bad,..there maybe some positive affects of it on the gay community, the problem are these other people who are looking to find a method to gain social acceptence...and the easiest way is ride the coat tails of other groups that are more socially palatable.
endchildsexualabuse, I already said that the "dog marriage" reference was a joke.
Anyway, you are an intelligent person. I appreciate the fact that we haven't been calling each other names and engaging in all that YouTube nonsense. Moreover, I reckon we agree on many issues. However, I cannot accept your bald assertion that SSM will (could? might?) lead (through some mechanism you cannot explain) to legalized sex with animals and children at some unidentified time in the future.
this is the mechanism..it is a gradual progressive process that takes many years or decades depending, ...society isn't going to legalize sex with children then with animals the day after SSM is legalized...the idea is,.that once society accepts SSM and homosexuality,..which appears to be justfiable,..then the arguments for pedophilia become justfiable...first they will lower AOC...possibly to puberty....then arguments will be made to eliminate AOC laws altogether.
1: children are not harmed by consensual sexual relationships with adults
2: if there is harm it is cause by social nonacceptance not because there is anything intrinsically harmful about sex.
3: children can consent,..but consent is ireelevant,..children do not consent to many things already,..as long as the child is not physically harmed there is no harm.
these arguments are already being made...opposition by society is strong at the moment but this can and will change,..the more openly sexual society becomes the more likely they will take a liberal view of these relationships,..actual prosecutions will become fewer as the issue of a child's consent becomes more accepted...then laws will be changed to accommodate society's evolving perspective...these changes can occur swiftly or slow depending on the political climate.
i forgot the last and my favorite argument for pedophlia...
11: sex with adults and juvaniles of all ages from infants on up are commonly observed in many other species in the wild therefore it is natural and normal.
gee where have we heard that before?
while there are some obvious flaws in many of these arguments...the problem is many people are just to morally ambivolent toward the behavior to find the arguments problematic.
You have some serious issues that aren't going to get worked out on a YouTube board! I suggest counselling. Really. I am not kidding. Pain is evident in your posts.
BTW, there is no linkage you can identify between legalizing of SSM and the items you identified at the bottom of your "slope." You still haven't pieced together an argument how legalization of SSM will result in POPULAR ACCE)PTANCE of these horribles you put on parade.
lol why do you think I'm in pain or need couseling?...because i don't share your world view?...lol....i did piece together a credible argument....if don't accept it, thats your business....however time will tell....and history does repeat itself....it seems you are content to bury your head in the sand....i would gather your desire for social acceptance is motivation enough to throw in the personal attack....im not offended...its predictable.
First, I am not attacking you. With your YouTube tag and your stubborn unfounded insistence that SSM will lead to legalized pedophilia, your angst is pretty clear. If I am wrong, so be it.
Second, you have NOT constructed an "argument". You have NOT explained how legalization of SSM will lead, in step-wise progression, to popular acceptance of pedophilia. You have NOT explained why it hasn't occured in jurisdictions in which SSM is legal.
@endchildsexualabuse says, "....i would gather your desire for social acceptance is motivation enough to throw in the personal attack"
Oh, now we see it! You are insuinauting that I lack social acceptance because . . . I am gay? Is that what you think? I am very straight. I have plenty of social acceptance. I am oozing with it, with my marriage license, my wife, and my 3 children. I just want to extend the same benefit to a harmless minority discriminated against for no good reason.
gee your right,..i made an assumption, about you,...not unlike the one you made about me by inferring that i need psychological help because i dont agree with you....thats the predictable elemant here,...pathologize those who disagree.
i did provide a step progression...and the logical arguments that are being made in support of it....and how society will gradually relax laws regulating the behavior, and why...and historical examples....wtf more do you need?
the debate over removing pedophilia and zoophlia from the next incarnation of the DSM is well on its way...the premise that one only need to feel distressed over thier behavior for something to be considered a disorder has aready been made for removing homosexuality...using that same logic....many pedophlies are not distressed over thier behavior,..only that society sees it as wrong...this move, if it occurrs, will be the nail in the coffin.
Your "argument" dopesn't explain why society will change its view that pedopilia and bestiality are crimes. How exactly is social acceptance of these practices inevitable from the legalization of SSM?
Homosexuality has been accepted by a significant proportion of people here in the U.S. and in other countries for some time - why aren't more of "us" looking more favorably on these practices?
society's views are not set in stone....as society's views on sexualy evolve to be more accepting of practices that are atypical these practices will gain public support, they have aready gained scientific support,,..as the issue of consent continues to play out in the court system '..the laws will become more relaxed, the increasing number of juvanile criminals who being tried as adults aready illustrates an attitude that children are able to consent..
whether or not people like you or me are able to make the distinction between someone who fucks kids or dogs...is not relevant...most people able to make the distiction between having sex with a women and having sex with a man...has that stopped homosexuality from gaining support?...no it hasnt....because society's "attitudes have evolved to be more accepting...history tells us that past societies have accepted pedophlia and zoophlia, so yes its possible and even likely.
Look, you are saying that zoophilia and pedophilia will follow from legalized SSM between homosexual adults. This is a fantastical claim!
Please explain how the public will come to embrace these universally reviled practices. What is the time-frame for this remarkable social transformation? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millenia?
I wish the country could have seen the supporters of Prop 8 make fools of themselves. Now we see why they were so set against having it televised. Everyone, please make sure your friends have access to official transcripts! They can be found online. Even now, Protect Marriage is posting their own distorted summaries, trying to convince the public of gross distortions. A huge thank you! to everyone who was in that courtroom liveblogging so that we could follow, and to the lawyers and plaintiffs!
I read, in the bible, in I & II samuel, ruth, matthew, luke & john that gay and lesbian relationships were already happening... and were not regarded as sinful.
Not only that but stupid christians will be shocked to know that the daughters of Abraham actually had abortions too. Turns out the midwives knew how to do it with herbs all the way back then...without the husbands knowing! ABORTIONS....By wives IN THE BIBLE that didn't want their unborn children!!!
It also stated in the Bible that the priest were to administer some noxious solution to a pregnant woman whose husband suspected of conceiving the unborn child with another man. If the potion was successful in causing a spotaneous abortion, it meant the woman committed adultery and deserved to be killed! Thankfully, we're more civilized than that.
Wow....just when you think you've heard every bible horror story. Unfortunately, I could see some christian con doing that and we find out only in time for the murder trial. Like that mother in Plano Texas that cut off her baby's arms to save it from " the devil". If I remember correctly, her preacher told her to do it. And they're STILL swingin their hand in the air at him on Sunday!
Wow... I think I heard that, too! I also heard of a straight married couple who put their OWN THREE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN THE OVEN to exorcise the demons out of her! Yes, she baked to death. So heartbreaking! ;'-(
Exactly! It is reported in that book that the Lord was in the midst of that relationship. It was a same-sex marriage as well for when David married Michal at Saul's request, he became Saul's son-in-law for the second time (literally in the Hebrew, double son-in-law).
I read in the bible that Satan would put stuff in there to make gullible people stupid for eternity. It sounds like that was a promise the evil one came good on.
That would be as good an explanation as any for Jesus allegedly cursing a fig tree and causing it to die as any! I take it as a faith story that is probably not factually true (it doesn't help Jesus' character look good, that's a fact!) concerning how the Almighty will reward faith and trust for one's daily needs.
Great video! Equal justice under the law! The results of the Prop H8 elections were caused by massive false and inaccurate commercials that scared Californians in to voting to take away the civil rights from LGBT people in California.
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even my dogs are smarter than gay&lesby my male dog is looking for a female dog,, and femele dog is looking for a male dog,,,,, but gay&lesby nedd to learn a lot from my dogs
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i'm not ignorrant-the stupid judges who dont listen the voices of people from California who say yes on8 ,,,, America isnt democratic-its same like Cuba-comunism,,,,,Congress(gay) rule not people
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people of California voted for prop8 and stupid-stupid-stupid judges can change something for gay and lesby? judges dont care on all population of California? thats stupid !
No, prop 8 was supported by a campaign of lies. Voters in the majority of cases were misled. And those who weren't, voted with bigotry. This is unacceptable.
Do you think that slave owners would have voted to have their black slaves freed?
Sir, it is you who are stupid. Unconstitutionally stupid.
I can't find anywhere that National Academy of Sciences (hereinafter "NAS") says homosexuality is caused by a brain defect. A defect is a deficiency that incapacitates a person in some way or diminishes that capacity. As a gay man, I testify that I am in no way incapacitated both mentally or physically by my homosexuality. Twisting words is a great way to lie to those who will believe you, but ultimately you'll only fool the fools.
What NAS says is that homosexual brain reacts to male pheromones the same way the heterosexual female brain does. Well, duh! Does that really surprise anyone? If gay men are aroused by men, then the explanation is evident — they react to male exterior and to those pheromones just like women. This is the explanation for how sexual attraction works on brain level. And that's all it is.
And now the great reveal from a medical science geek: every human being, both male and female, in the beginning stages of development (ontogenesis) develops as a female organism, the differentiation starts when sex hormones kick in (androgens and estrogens); so there is not so much that really makes males different from females — we all start as females and only some of us turn into males (thanks to androgens).
Sometimes it happens that the processes forming sexual attraction in brain go their own way, separate from those that form our gender in accordance with XX or XY programming, and as a result we have males attracted to males, or females attracted to females. These discrepancies are yet to be explained. However, modern science has no doubt that homosexual people are not mentally challenged in any way per se, so, whatever the reason for those discrepancies, it's anything but a defect.
As for relation of "spike in homosexualism" with chemical pollutions: show me controlled blind studies proving that by adding certain chemicals into fetus's blood scientists made those individuals gay. Otherwise, it sound just like "Mercury was in retrograde when you were born, that's why you're gay!"
Why there are more homosexuals now than ever? Because closeted ones come out! They don't live in fear and lies anymore! And that is the real reason, with no chemical pollution mumbo-jumbo.
PFA I think that everytime you say "To a homosexual this or that" you should say: To ME...etc etc . That just in case that you want to be FAIR. Otherwise... whatever.
and evacuation of its bloated bowel birth pains. When dropping a load into the commode it breathes by panting imagining that it is giving birth and feeling Gay Pride for it
@StarDolphin1 no Jesus never condemned homosexuality, you can read the bible for that. And hey I talk to you when I want to. If you dont want to be responded to, you shouldnt post here, this is a gay channel after all.
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That to even think it is the sdame as having done it. So yes He did condemn homosexual perverts.
Also smmrsnst YOU are violating my civil Rights by not recognizing that I have instructed your perverts not to psot me - yet you do? Violater! And - well you are inferior. Anyway - are you being psychologically played the fool by rvs psychlgy?
@StarDolphin1 if you dont want people to post to you, then dont comment here. And again, you really should study the bible, nowhere does Jesus condemn homosexuality.
smmrsnst will refrain from "@" as it seems invective. Firstly , from what I know of Christianity Jesus most certainly did condemned homosexual perverts by affirmation that He has not come to aboliosh the LAW but to add onto it.
Please cite a reference for your claim that Jesus condemned homsexuality. Take as much time as you need. You'll need a LOT of time, by the way, because you'll have to dig up some undiscovered scrolls or something like that, because certainly there is no record in the Bible that Jesus said squat about it.
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If there were not a Jesus Christ, which created us, and condemns homosexuality; it still wouldn't make any sense to practice it, or, whatever perfection one might think can be obtained from it. In the light of the bigger picture, it really is just selfish lust; no contribution to the future; period.
according to your logic..then gays are far more powerful than God. Because God supposedly created everything in the universe, and he didn't want gays...but we are still here after all these years...LOL...your God is weak...gays beat HIM!!! LOL and as to no contribution?..wow. if not for gays, then all those kids you straight people throw away would spend their entire lives in those adoption agencies you throw them away in when they become an inconvenience to your selfish lives.
@blissJesus: Oh really? Jesus condemned homosexuality? I guess I must have missed that passage. Kindly, let me know where it says that Jesus said ANYTHING whatsoever about homosexuality.
,and sex with innocent children have anything to do with homosexuality...Unless you're a priest but I guess that's okay if you pay your dues and use your frequent flyer miles to go pray at the Vatican *sarcasm* Why do so many people compare bestiality to the legalization of gay marriage? Sounds ignorant dude. Also I've heard pastors say that kind of comment in front of churches. Why can't people don't preach principal but instead rhetoric filled with fear tactics?
it has everything to do with it....because these individuals are using the same level of logic that you are to justfy thier behavior....if its works for you what makes you think it wont work for them? because you dont like to fuck animals or kids? why should thier rights be denied if yours shouldnt be denied? because you think its wrong?...or because society thinks it wrong?. do a youtube search on pedophilia and zoophilia and review thier arguments..strickingly similar to yours.
pedophiles amd zoophiles argue that children and animals can consent,...they argue that they are born the way they are,...they argue that society opresses them,..they arguge that children or animals are not ever harmed, they argure that sexual attractions should not matter to society, they argue that when science contradicts thier perspectives its biased,...they argue that if society didnt see anything wrong with pedos and zoo-idiots that it would be better off.
these are the same arguments the gay community uses...and was quite sucessful at framing the debate,..claiming its a matter of human rights,..well guess what pedophiles and zoophiles also say its a matter of human rights...anyone who disagrees is automatically pathologized for dessenting. they throw around words like pedo-phobia, if you dont ageee that people should not fuck kids or animals your referred to as "anti" and bigoted and phobic..
If you wanna suck a dick, sick a dick. Just pay your taxes and dont kill anybody
RHCPgroupie42 10 months ago
Ok lets see: when children are found severly abused by straight, the kids are taken but the marriage is never dissolved. Also what about all the joke marriages that take place in Vagas. Drive thru weddings that get dissolved as soon as the booze wears off! How come these bigots are not spending millions trying to strike down those marriages? Why...simple! THIS IS ALL ABOUT LEGALIZING GAY BIGOTRY!
SUPREMEQUEEN09 1 year ago
The clerk is DIRECTED to enter judgment without bond in favor of
plaintiffs and plaintiff-intervenors and against defendants and
defendant-intervenors pursuant to FRCP 58.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
VAUGHN R WALKER
United States District Chief Judge
bimboblacky 1 year ago
@bimboblacky The judgement is stay by the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals IT IS SO ORDERED
freakylocz14 1 year ago
(From the RULING):
Because Proposition 8 is unconstitutional under both the
Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses, the court orders entry of
judgment permanently enjoining its enforcement; prohibiting the
official defendants from applying or enforcing Proposition 8 and
directing the official defendants that all persons under their
control or supervision shall not apply or enforce Proposition 8.
bimboblacky 1 year ago
I wish Jay, Brian, Daniel and Selena great success in their upcoming motion picture production. U got 2 INCREDIBLY cute, precious kids there, guys, IMHO. :) Oh, and "the will of the majority always overriding the rights of any minority" has 2 other far shorter and really NASTY names in our language, either TYRANNY (after a fashion), or MOB RULE. I have noticed people on the YES side squirming quite uncomfortably when presented with either one of those terms.OK, probably enough posting 4 now.
bimboblacky 1 year ago
3) California Attorney General Jerry Brown WITHDREW from representing his office in the state's defense, stating that California Proposition 8 2008 was in DIRECT VIOLATION of the UNITED States Constitution. That *definitely* got Chief Judge Walker's attention, folks. (Wouldn't it catch YOURS either way?)
4) I found it almost ironic that the Honorable Vaugn R. Walker is one of the very few openly gay Federal judges sitting right now. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi has issues with him, 2.
bimboblacky 1 year ago
1) Jay & Brian are correct that this is a FEDERAL trial, B-ing heard at the lowest possible FEDERAL court.
2) IF the appeal fails, then YUCCH, yes, but as I am posting this, I just finished watching more RE-enactments from MarriageTrial, and I will B APPALLED if the appeal fails after watching the court report come back 2 life!!! The Supreme Court of the United States was the court who BLOCKED the live (or any) broadcast, so they CLEARLY know about this case in a BIG way already, folks...
bimboblacky 1 year ago
Woof.
SethKlan 1 year ago
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Its NONSENSE to think anyone with a different opinion that yours is intolerant or judgmental or hateful or has a phobia.
BlackRepublican2010 1 year ago
christians are such frightened little children.
styrofoamheart 1 year ago
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What a fag video
SpaceTrollMuthaFuka 2 years ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
well for many people it a matter of morality,...if there is choice then one can be judged based on that choice,...thats why the issue of genetic predetermined behavior is relevant,...if one is genetically predetermined to be gay or a zoophile in your case, then you cannot be justfiably judged,..so there is a motivation to prove genetics are determinative,...
people care because many individuals see these behavors as intrisically immoral.and wrongful.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
science is biased against relious or moral views,...they see things as not either right or wrong,..theoretically nothing is either right or wrong,..so anything can be ok....even rape and murder,...which is observable in nature and can be shown to be nessicary...once society sees thing with a moral reletivist perspective its down hill from there....because a logical argument can be made in support of anything ...but do we really want to live in THAT kinda of society?
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
i however am not looking at this from a moral perspective,...but a sociological one,..i see some of these behaviors as harmful to the people who engage in them and to others,..that will have a detrimental long term affect on society which will eventually lead to its downfall...we're on our way....as more and more individuals seek "equal rights" based on bahvior rather than actual traits we eventually are forced to accept anything.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse so while i think homosexuality in of itself should not be ilegal..i question the validity of taking the issue of social acceptance to far, especially in the absence of any conclusive proof that there will no harm to society...or to individuals....in the long run...im not easily convinced by most sociological studies because of the efforts of those who benefit from them to intentionally mislead and misrepresent or otherwise over-exaggerate the results in their favor.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
If we notice a lack of hetero-breeding, we promise to donate some sperm. Deal?
msbuch72 2 years ago 3
If you think it is harmful to be gay, don't be gay. Next!
msbuch72 2 years ago 10
Please. Killing is morally wrong yet is is sanctioned through 'legitimate' wars, death penalties, lack of health care, etc. Divorce is morally wrong for some, yet it is totally legal. Working on the Sabbath is morally wrong for many, yet no stonings that I've seen. You have to provide a good reason to ban marriage equality. Otherwise, you are just a bigot who feels it is his way or the highway. Sorry, reread your constitution.
msbuch72 2 years ago 9
People are free to feel whatever they want. They are not free to deny civil rights based on what they feel. Every Supreme Court who has heard the arguments, from Iowa to California to Massachusetts, agree.
msbuch72 2 years ago
"People are free to feel whatever they want."
Where does that statement end?
ma7799 2 years ago
Where feelings end, I guess. You want to control people's feelings or something? Good luck with that. So I'll repeat the whole comment again for everyone's benefit. People are free to feel whatever they want. They are not free to infringe on civil rights as a result of their feelings.
msbuch72 2 years ago
You are an American. Here, people are free to feel whatever they want. People are free to think whatever they want. People are free to believe whatever they want. People have broad freedom - but not unlimited - to say whatever they want.
It's great! I love it!
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
no the problem is,..they like homosexuals think they have proven thier case,...people like you and others are not bright enough to actually read the reaserch they say proves thier claims....most people assume because someone does a study,..that the results are actually proving a claim....so there is a disconnect between what people believe to be true,..and reality, social activism is preasent in alot of the reaserch,..the resukts are then of questionable validity.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
for instance,..many people believe that genrtics make you gay,,or a pedophlie,...this is not supported by the data,...many people think you cannot choose who you love,...this is also not supported by the data...the actual data says that most people dont have a "sense of choice" this does not mean they actually did not choose,...only that they believe that they didnt....we do however know people choose to not love, and to dislike others.,,the opposite must be true.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
so while genetics may play a role it is not determinative,...environment is however..
is homosexuality a mental illness,....reaserch says no?.....well not exactly....what it does say is homosexuals are no more inclined to suffer "other types" of mental disorders, like schizophrenia, they do not know if homosexuality is a disorder in of its self,...it likely may be in at least some cases.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
What does this have to do with civil rights?
msbuch72 2 years ago
Do you also 'choose' what you like? Don't you have to try it first before you discover if you like it or not? Most gay people I know tried a straight life and didn't like it. Why don't you try a gay life for awhile and see if you like it.
msbuch72 2 years ago 2
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
i did not say that pedophlia will be accepted over night once homosexuals get marraige rights,...it is likely going to take a number of years or decades depending on the political environment,...there will most likely be trends of acceptence that will vary as social views are affected by media, religous views and scientific evidence...these factors influence will cause an uneven but gradual increase in social acceptance of pedophlia,...like homosexuality.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
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@endchildsexualabuse so while i do sympathize with homosexuals rights in society...unless society;s views remain a constant it is likely to lead to social acceptance of other forms of sexual expression, such as pedophilia and zoophlia...this may be an inevitability if trends continue the way they are....however, there is the possibility that i may be wrong....im only suggesting that there is a high degree of likelihood that i am right...based on the evidence
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
many people have sex without the expectation of love or a relationship.
dogs cannot consent,...children can..informed consent is unnecessary.
many scientific studies show that children are not harmed by consensual sex with adults,...Rind et al. 1998. passed two peer reviews and says consensual sex between adults and children is not harmful and may even benefit the child is some cases...
many past societies accepted pedophilia and didn't see it as selfish.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
People like endchildabuse say that legalizing SSM will lead to public acceptance of pedophilia and bestiality.
People like me believe that society can tell the difference between the marriage of 2 homosexual adults and a guy who fucks his dog!
endchildabuse and others cannot explain how SSM will change society's attitudes toward an adult man who fucks 10 year-old boys. T
here is a reason why they cannot explain it - IT IS A PHONY "ARGUMENT" THAT'S WHY!
5891jonathan 2 years ago
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5891jonathan 2 years ago
Oh, no! SSM is a step on the road - or a step on the slippery slope - inevitably leading to social acceptance of dog-fucking! Imagine a time in the near future --
"I'll be over for tea just after I fuck my dog."
"Certainly. Take your time."
"Hey, did you see the remake of 'A Boy and His Dog'?"
"Yeah. The love scene was so touching!"
Beware! Beware! Don't legalize SSM unless you are prepared to accept dog-fucking! Oh, and legalized child-fucking too!
Fucking ridiculous!
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
im not saying that you or i will decide to go fuck kids or dogs..acceptance of homosexuality isnt causing people to do these things,...but it is causing people to be ambivolent toward those who do....the cause of these behaviors is not social acceptence, social acceptance is the vehilcle for which they become legal for those who engage in the behavior...there is not going to be an increase in people who have these attractions ..just an increase in society's acceptance of them.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
you say i havnt provided an explination of how this will occurr...even though i have...just saying something isnt true....doesnt make it not true....i gave you the explination and you are outrightly denying it....there is ample scientifric proof of the increase in social acceptance of pedophilia, coinciding with social acceptance of homosexuasl,.. and you are denying that proof...by just saying you dont believe it...that my friend is being obtuse.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
It's not a rational explanation. You cannot explain how public acceptance of SSM between consenting homosexual adults who will enjoy the benefits and ogligations of traditional marriage - a traditional institution - leads to public acceptance of dog-fucking and child-fucking! You're a wee bit hazy about what happens in the middle of the "progression" there . . . .
Preposterous.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
its not at all hazy...you just refuse or are unableto grasp the concepts,..and your politics have clouded your ability to see the facts through all the appeals to your sympathy....dont get me wrong i do sympothize....becasue i happen to be gay.......i just happen to know the issues of my community better than you....i can assure you with absolute certenty that pedophlia is alive and well in the gay community...SSM is opening an ugly can of worms..
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
So you are gay? That's interesting. Are you celibate now? Have you ever been in a long-term homosexual relationship? Have you ever been in a long-term heterosexual relationship? Were you sexually abused as a child? Have you ever sexually abused a child? Do you practice any particular religion?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
yes i was sexually abused as a child by a pedophlie,...why do you think I'm gay?....no Ive never sexually abused a child,...however i happen to know many gay men who have or want to....no i do not practice a religion,...this is not a religious issue...its a sociological one....i have been in both heterosexual relationships and homosexual ones....i am currently celibate of my own choice.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
and no there is no scientific proof that sexual orientation is caused by biological factors...while genetic studies have shown a genetic correlation to homosexuality there is no evidence that genes or prenatal hormones actually determine ones sexual orientation...while they may play some role,..the overwhelming amount of evidence suggest that environment is critical....but the gays want you to think they are born gay...to appeal to your sympathy...its not true.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
it is not false either yet you fail to mention that how amusing.
TheArcaneSanctum 2 years ago
Thanks for the background. I don't think I am going to argue with you anymore. It isn't good for either of us.
Please consider this, though - I am a parent. I have spent my adult lfe caring for my kids. Most of my friends are also parents who have spent THEIR adult lives caring for their kids. Regardless of social attitudes toward SSM, we aren't about to relax laws preventing adults from fucking our kids. Take a poll of parents and you'll see.
Take care. Sorry if I got carried away
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
quotes from the archives of homosexuality,
"children are the last bastion of the new sexual morality"
"...many people.exhibit such violently emotional hostility toward boy-lovers because they fear their own...pedophile impulses."
"social workers achieved "miracles with apparently incorrigible young delinquents--not by preaching to them but by sleeping with them."
"Some studies have found benign or even beneficial results in boys who were at the time involved with men"
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
"same-sex intergenerational intimacy may be developmentally functional"
"parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son "not as a rival or competitor, not as a thief of their property, but as a partner in the boy's upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home..."
pedophlies.."feel they cannot change, and therefore they are convinced they have the same right as other people to pursue the "natural" expression of their sexuality."
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse from the journal of homosexuality
"The vast majority of the articles in "Male Intergenerational Intimacy" argue that pedophilia should be freed from categorization as child abuse. In the foreword, Dr. Gunter Schmidt closes by saying that "Each individual case must be looked upon on its own merits...the threat to make all pedophile acts punishable by law can barely be labeled civilized...it implies discrimination and persecution of a minority and should be abolished."
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
if you want a blow by blow detailed explination, thats too bad...if you cannot extrapolate without me having to spell it out to you in a 400 page report then shame on you.....i suggest you do some reading...start with wiki on pedophlia and zoophilia,..then Rind et al.1998. then go to the ipc website...for starters....then try reading the archives of homosexual behavior....then look up the debate on removing pedophlia from the DSM.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
I'll get right on that after I'm finished with Fido.
Shame on YOU for using this CRAP "argument" to oppose SSM!
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
and btw,...appealing to peoples pity or sympathy is the method that gains support...if the arguments are that pedophlis are oppressed, and children can consent, and there is no harm, are true,..then what would prevent people from not eventually accpting pedophlia?....nothing....other than moral conviction..and as i have already demonstrated morality is reletive and society;s views are not set in stone..laws can and do change...as social views change..a fact you cannot refute.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
Why do I even bother with you here. But answer this:
The typical parent/'guardian does not like adults fucking their kids. How does legalization of SSM relate to parents changing their view on that?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
by lowering AOC laws....making a child's consent a legal issue, then parents cannot prosecute if a child's consent is legal;...the scientific community only has to provide proof that a child's consent is valid....for legislators to have reason to remove the AOC obstical....fortunately for now the scientific community is split on the issue of consent.....for now.....30 years ago...the consensus was children cannot consent....there is no consensus now.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
Well, that's baloney! There is PLENTY of consensus among parents that adults shouldn't fuck their kids. Parents don't decide these issues based on science. It's a bit more visceral than that.
Parents vote. They elect their legislators. Parents would be interested in a law lowering the legal age of consent for kids to get fucked.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
but the problem is this government has already made your vote meaningless....they make policy and change laws all the time with no regard for public oppinion....the SSM issue is a perfect example....science also has the ability to redefine what is abuse and what isnt....and they can define what is harm and what is not....if they say children are not harmed,...what do you think the odds are that many will accept that?....you will be surprized....lol.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
will everyone accept pedophlia...no not likely....but as long as there are legal remidies to thwart opposition...then yours or my opinion will not matter....AOC laws are the only mechanism that keeps pedophlia from becoming a issue at the moment....and they hang on a tiny thread.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
Homosexuals are not pedophiles
the majority of child molestation cases are perpetrated by heterosexuals.
Does this mean we should start removing heterosexual rights?
Certainly not!
Pedophilia is wrong!!
Anyone with common sense knows this. It will never be legalized because it is taking advantage of a child who is innocent.
Your attempts at claiming Homosexual=Pedophile are disgusting and an outright lie.
By your logic all Heterosexuals are Pedophiles as well.
Utter nonsense.
TheArcaneSanctum 2 years ago
@TheArcaneSanctum
I'm not saying all homosexuals are pedophlies,...Jenny et al..1993....the only study that suggests that homosexuals are no more inclined to molest children, never directly assessed the sexual orientation of the perpitrators,..they assumed because many were in adult heterosexual relationships that they were actually heterosexual.....this however is false,..we already know many homosexuals get married and even have children in heterosexual relationships.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
we also know that many homosexuals conceal their sexual identity from others....the study Jenny et al...qualifies their clams by stating that "identifiably" homosexuals are not any more inclined to molest children than heterosexuals,....this study also ignores the relationship between the gender of the victim and the sexual orientation of the perpitrator,..there are more heterosexuals in the general population than homosexuals.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
daddy/boy father/son sexual themes are common in the gay male subculture...you would be outrightly lying if you denied that fact...while pedophilia is common for both heterosexuals and homosexuals,..social acceptance will be gained through the homosexual community, I'm not saying its the fault of the gay community,...all I'm saying is that they will be the vehicle that will lead to social acceptance of pedophilia.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
thier tendancy to be more sexually adventurous will lead others to be....monkey see monkey do....then the pedophlies only need to prove that children can consent and are not harmed by consentual sex with adults....there is reaserch that attempts to prove that point,...Rind et al 1998. while this meta analysis has been condemed by our goverment, it is widely cited by the scientific community ,..which is in fact inclined to affect public policy.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
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Oh, and you didn't answer my question - how does legalization of SSM relate in ANY way to parents accepting laws allowing adults to fuck THEIR kids? Or do you believe that parents' attitudes regarding adults fucking their kids are irrelevant to social and legal change in America?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@Dogsneedpleasuretoo
"Kids NORMALLY do not have enough knowledge to consent in the same way an adult can."
so
animals "never" have enough knowledge to consent either... if it doesn't matter to a zoophile, then why should it matter to a pedophle?...or a rapist for that matter?
it doesn't matter because they are not interested in being honest with themselves and their victims.
but the point is "the slippery slope" once you poison the well the whole village slowly sickens and dies.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
endchildsexualabuse employs the "slippery slope" rhetorical fallacy. He even identifies it!
I gather he "argues" that legalizing SSM will lead to legalized bestiality and/or pedophelia. The "argument" is fallacious because there is no reason to believe that one event must inevitably follow from another. He needs to make an "argument" for such a claim.
So, let's assume SSM is legalized - or pick a jurisdiction that has already leaglized it. What happens next? And next? And next?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
Once endchildabuse makes his argument showing in stepwise fashion how SSM leads to popualr acceptance of pedophelia and bestiality, we can debate it. Until then, there is nothing.
That's why the "slippery slope" is a rhetorical FALLACY - a bald assertion, without logical support, masquerading as a reasoned argument.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
look up zoophilia on wiki,...then look up pedophilia ....and then tell me their arguments are not valid?
just ask dogsneedpleasure...if he thinks he has valid arguments for his behavior....zoophilia and pedophilia have been accepted in many past societies, as well as homosexuality,..coincidentally (not) the same societies that accepted homosexuality also accepted zoophlia and pedophilia as well....the Greeks and the Romans and the Persians most notably.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
Sorry, but (1) this isn't ancient Persia or Greece; and (2) correlation of these practices in the ancient world isn't an argument that one will follow from the other in modern America; and (3) you are still asserting the same slippery-slope rhetorical fallacy.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
its true that the gay male community routinely romanticizes pedophillic relationships,..daddy/boy father/son sexual themes are common,...you can go on any gay pick up site and find men trolling for "young smooth boys" in the Archive of Homosexual behavior there are numerous articles that advocate sexual relationships with boys and adult males,..several PhD Bruce Rinds studies on pedophillic relationships asserts that these relationships benefit homosexual boys...i can go on.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
So, how EXACTLY does legalization of SSM lead to public acceptance of pedophelia and bestiality? What are the steps in your "argument?" How do these steps progress and why is the progression a logical one? How exactly would the current widespread public revulsion for besitiality and pedophelia be overcome?
Perhaps you can begin with an analysis of the states and other countries that have already legalized SSM.
Please cite any books/articles that you find. ;-)
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
like i said,...pedophilia did not always have the negative conotation that it currently has,...as society becomes more accepting of abberant sexual behavior the revulsion disapears because people justify and seek validation by forming groups that advocate for assumed rights,...you are doing it right now,...pedophiles are doing it right now as well, when the moral line is blurred it becomes easier to cross and it then becomes easier to justfy crossing it.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
so while i agree that there is no guarantee that pedophilia or zoophlia will become accepted, if i were to base that assumption on a hypothetical....however the evidence that it is becoming more accepted is proven....you can find much research in this area,..your or my revulsion toward these behaviors are irrelevant here,...its whether or not logical arguments can be made for its advocacy if one person can be convinced by these arguments, then so can another. and so on.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
Rind ety al, 1998...a meta anaylsis of the assumed properties of sexual abuse....
has shown that consentual sex between minors and adults is not harmful...if this reaserch is true,..and many people in the scientific community think it is....then pedophilic realtionships are not harmful to chidren,,,another study suggests that as high as 1/4 of the population respond to pedophlic stimuli...thats at least 1/4 who are going to be inclined to accept Rind as justification.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
There is absolutely no evidence that legalization of SSM today will make legalization of pedophilia or zoophilia more likely to occur in the future. None. You are employing a cheap rhetorical trick. You might as well argue that legalization of SSM will lead us to accepting animal-to-animal marriages, because individual dog owners know that their doggies love each other!
Before anyone goes off, the reference to dog marriage is a joke! Sort of . . . .
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
the evidence is history,...do you deny the anthropological and sociological evidence that these behaviors were accepted in past societies?....arent you being a little obtuse,...what makes you think it cannot happen again....how many shaved barely legal teen pornos or youtube accounts that advocate for it do you have to see, in order to prove to you that the behavior is already well on its way toward social acceptance?
who said anything about jesus?
lol
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
"You might as well argue that legalization of SSM will lead us to accepting animal-to-animal marriages,"
this is a straw man argument....the slippery slope I'm describing has occurred already in past societies,...therefore the premise is reasonable,...i am not say that it will result in the end of all humanity,...only that the moral fortitude of a particular society is negatively affected.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
so the question is has legalized SSM been around long enough to make the claim?...i suggest not....that there is no nation or society that has legalized SSM long enough to varify that it has no negative affects on those societies,...however social accpetance of homosexuality in general has had negative affects on past societies albiet indirectly...social acceptance of pedophlia and zoophlia is a negative consiquence of aocial acceptance of homosexuality.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
I'm not saying that SSM is necessarily intrinsically bad,..there maybe some positive affects of it on the gay community, the problem are these other people who are looking to find a method to gain social acceptence...and the easiest way is ride the coat tails of other groups that are more socially palatable.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
endchildsexualabuse, I already said that the "dog marriage" reference was a joke.
Anyway, you are an intelligent person. I appreciate the fact that we haven't been calling each other names and engaging in all that YouTube nonsense. Moreover, I reckon we agree on many issues. However, I cannot accept your bald assertion that SSM will (could? might?) lead (through some mechanism you cannot explain) to legalized sex with animals and children at some unidentified time in the future.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
this is the mechanism..it is a gradual progressive process that takes many years or decades depending, ...society isn't going to legalize sex with children then with animals the day after SSM is legalized...the idea is,.that once society accepts SSM and homosexuality,..which appears to be justfiable,..then the arguments for pedophilia become justfiable...first they will lower AOC...possibly to puberty....then arguments will be made to eliminate AOC laws altogether.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
the arguments for eliminating AOC laws are:
1: children are not harmed by consensual sexual relationships with adults
2: if there is harm it is cause by social nonacceptance not because there is anything intrinsically harmful about sex.
3: children can consent,..but consent is ireelevant,..children do not consent to many things already,..as long as the child is not physically harmed there is no harm.
4: pedophiles are born the way they are.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
5:children have the right to be sexual with who ever that want and for whatever reason...regardless of the age of the other person.
6: children often want sex with adults
7: children often report liking sex with adults
8: pedophiles do not condone rape or force.
9: age discrepant relationships occur throughout society in other age ranges and are not illegal.
10: children are benefited by loving sexual or romantic relationships with adults.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
these arguments are already being made...opposition by society is strong at the moment but this can and will change,..the more openly sexual society becomes the more likely they will take a liberal view of these relationships,..actual prosecutions will become fewer as the issue of a child's consent becomes more accepted...then laws will be changed to accommodate society's evolving perspective...these changes can occur swiftly or slow depending on the political climate.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
i forgot the last and my favorite argument for pedophlia...
11: sex with adults and juvaniles of all ages from infants on up are commonly observed in many other species in the wild therefore it is natural and normal.
gee where have we heard that before?
while there are some obvious flaws in many of these arguments...the problem is many people are just to morally ambivolent toward the behavior to find the arguments problematic.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
You have some serious issues that aren't going to get worked out on a YouTube board! I suggest counselling. Really. I am not kidding. Pain is evident in your posts.
BTW, there is no linkage you can identify between legalizing of SSM and the items you identified at the bottom of your "slope." You still haven't pieced together an argument how legalization of SSM will result in POPULAR ACCE)PTANCE of these horribles you put on parade.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
lol why do you think I'm in pain or need couseling?...because i don't share your world view?...lol....i did piece together a credible argument....if don't accept it, thats your business....however time will tell....and history does repeat itself....it seems you are content to bury your head in the sand....i would gather your desire for social acceptance is motivation enough to throw in the personal attack....im not offended...its predictable.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
First, I am not attacking you. With your YouTube tag and your stubborn unfounded insistence that SSM will lead to legalized pedophilia, your angst is pretty clear. If I am wrong, so be it.
Second, you have NOT constructed an "argument". You have NOT explained how legalization of SSM will lead, in step-wise progression, to popular acceptance of pedophilia. You have NOT explained why it hasn't occured in jurisdictions in which SSM is legal.
So, how does it work?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse says, "....i would gather your desire for social acceptance is motivation enough to throw in the personal attack"
Oh, now we see it! You are insuinauting that I lack social acceptance because . . . I am gay? Is that what you think? I am very straight. I have plenty of social acceptance. I am oozing with it, with my marriage license, my wife, and my 3 children. I just want to extend the same benefit to a harmless minority discriminated against for no good reason.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
gee your right,..i made an assumption, about you,...not unlike the one you made about me by inferring that i need psychological help because i dont agree with you....thats the predictable elemant here,...pathologize those who disagree.
i did provide a step progression...and the logical arguments that are being made in support of it....and how society will gradually relax laws regulating the behavior, and why...and historical examples....wtf more do you need?
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
the debate over removing pedophilia and zoophlia from the next incarnation of the DSM is well on its way...the premise that one only need to feel distressed over thier behavior for something to be considered a disorder has aready been made for removing homosexuality...using that same logic....many pedophlies are not distressed over thier behavior,..only that society sees it as wrong...this move, if it occurrs, will be the nail in the coffin.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
I don't see homsexuality as a pathology.
Your "argument" dopesn't explain why society will change its view that pedopilia and bestiality are crimes. How exactly is social acceptance of these practices inevitable from the legalization of SSM?
Homosexuality has been accepted by a significant proportion of people here in the U.S. and in other countries for some time - why aren't more of "us" looking more favorably on these practices?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
@5891jonathan
society's views are not set in stone....as society's views on sexualy evolve to be more accepting of practices that are atypical these practices will gain public support, they have aready gained scientific support,,..as the issue of consent continues to play out in the court system '..the laws will become more relaxed, the increasing number of juvanile criminals who being tried as adults aready illustrates an attitude that children are able to consent..
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
whether or not people like you or me are able to make the distinction between someone who fucks kids or dogs...is not relevant...most people able to make the distiction between having sex with a women and having sex with a man...has that stopped homosexuality from gaining support?...no it hasnt....because society's "attitudes have evolved to be more accepting...history tells us that past societies have accepted pedophlia and zoophlia, so yes its possible and even likely.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
Look, you are saying that zoophilia and pedophilia will follow from legalized SSM between homosexual adults. This is a fantastical claim!
Please explain how the public will come to embrace these universally reviled practices. What is the time-frame for this remarkable social transformation? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades? Centuries? Millenia?
5891jonathan 2 years ago
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5891jonathan 2 years ago
Ian 7570, The Bible also forbids divorce
but that not,s stopping the divorce from hovering around 52 percent.
ginb1289 2 years ago
I wish the country could have seen the supporters of Prop 8 make fools of themselves. Now we see why they were so set against having it televised. Everyone, please make sure your friends have access to official transcripts! They can be found online. Even now, Protect Marriage is posting their own distorted summaries, trying to convince the public of gross distortions. A huge thank you! to everyone who was in that courtroom liveblogging so that we could follow, and to the lawyers and plaintiffs!
baklangkristiyano 2 years ago
What exactly is the legal argument against gay marriage? The bible says it's bad?
Ian7570 2 years ago
to
PinkFluffAtheism;
How can you call anyone brain damaged when you cant even write a sentence? And how backwoods are you to still believe that lie?
mattyabq 2 years ago 3
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Queers are proved brain damaged
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
Where is the rest of the days reports? Can you post more?
jalanlukes 2 years ago
i dunno, it doesnt say who wins
xenablake1 2 years ago
I'm uploading a special video about your family as promiced babe.
Supportahol 2 years ago
i heard in the bible, revelations, it predicted that gay relationships was goin to happen
xenablake1 2 years ago
xen Oh really and what happens after that?
Clemburke1111 2 years ago
I read, in the bible, in I & II samuel, ruth, matthew, luke & john that gay and lesbian relationships were already happening... and were not regarded as sinful.
EdM021 2 years ago 2
Not only that but stupid christians will be shocked to know that the daughters of Abraham actually had abortions too. Turns out the midwives knew how to do it with herbs all the way back then...without the husbands knowing! ABORTIONS....By wives IN THE BIBLE that didn't want their unborn children!!!
callouschristian 2 years ago
It also stated in the Bible that the priest were to administer some noxious solution to a pregnant woman whose husband suspected of conceiving the unborn child with another man. If the potion was successful in causing a spotaneous abortion, it meant the woman committed adultery and deserved to be killed! Thankfully, we're more civilized than that.
EdM021 2 years ago
Wow....just when you think you've heard every bible horror story. Unfortunately, I could see some christian con doing that and we find out only in time for the murder trial. Like that mother in Plano Texas that cut off her baby's arms to save it from " the devil". If I remember correctly, her preacher told her to do it. And they're STILL swingin their hand in the air at him on Sunday!
callouschristian 2 years ago
Wow... I think I heard that, too! I also heard of a straight married couple who put their OWN THREE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN THE OVEN to exorcise the demons out of her! Yes, she baked to death. So heartbreaking! ;'-(
EdM021 2 years ago
@EdM021; True and let us not forget David and Jonathan. A gay relationship that was described very positively in the Bible itself.
MarkieWatch100 2 years ago 2
Exactly! It is reported in that book that the Lord was in the midst of that relationship. It was a same-sex marriage as well for when David married Michal at Saul's request, he became Saul's son-in-law for the second time (literally in the Hebrew, double son-in-law).
EdM021 2 years ago 2
I read in the bible that Satan would put stuff in there to make gullible people stupid for eternity. It sounds like that was a promise the evil one came good on.
callouschristian 2 years ago 2
That would be as good an explanation as any for Jesus allegedly cursing a fig tree and causing it to die as any! I take it as a faith story that is probably not factually true (it doesn't help Jesus' character look good, that's a fact!) concerning how the Almighty will reward faith and trust for one's daily needs.
EdM021 2 years ago
Great video! Equal justice under the law! The results of the Prop H8 elections were caused by massive false and inaccurate commercials that scared Californians in to voting to take away the civil rights from LGBT people in California.
MarkieWatch100 2 years ago
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even my dogs are smarter than gay&lesby my male dog is looking for a female dog,, and femele dog is looking for a male dog,,,,, but gay&lesby nedd to learn a lot from my dogs
tundrayacut 2 years ago
stupid ignorant homophobe
MarkieWatch100 2 years ago 5
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i'm not ignorrant-the stupid judges who dont listen the voices of people from California who say yes on8 ,,,, America isnt democratic-its same like Cuba-comunism,,,,,Congress(gay) rule not people
tundrayacut 2 years ago
Mob rule does not equal democracy. Read Thomas Jefferson.
CalifaJohn 2 years ago
@tundrayacut
Sounds like you have a lot of sex with dogs.
Y2Krashman 2 years ago 2
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people of California voted for prop8 and stupid-stupid-stupid judges can change something for gay and lesby? judges dont care on all population of California? thats stupid !
tundrayacut 2 years ago
@tundrayacut
No, prop 8 was supported by a campaign of lies. Voters in the majority of cases were misled. And those who weren't, voted with bigotry. This is unacceptable.
Do you think that slave owners would have voted to have their black slaves freed?
Sir, it is you who are stupid. Unconstitutionally stupid.
Y2Krashman 2 years ago 3
To those pseudo-science-thumpers.
I can't find anywhere that National Academy of Sciences (hereinafter "NAS") says homosexuality is caused by a brain defect. A defect is a deficiency that incapacitates a person in some way or diminishes that capacity. As a gay man, I testify that I am in no way incapacitated both mentally or physically by my homosexuality. Twisting words is a great way to lie to those who will believe you, but ultimately you'll only fool the fools.
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KirilleXXI 2 years ago
What NAS says is that homosexual brain reacts to male pheromones the same way the heterosexual female brain does. Well, duh! Does that really surprise anyone? If gay men are aroused by men, then the explanation is evident — they react to male exterior and to those pheromones just like women. This is the explanation for how sexual attraction works on brain level. And that's all it is.
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KirilleXXI 2 years ago
And now the great reveal from a medical science geek: every human being, both male and female, in the beginning stages of development (ontogenesis) develops as a female organism, the differentiation starts when sex hormones kick in (androgens and estrogens); so there is not so much that really makes males different from females — we all start as females and only some of us turn into males (thanks to androgens).
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KirilleXXI 2 years ago
Sometimes it happens that the processes forming sexual attraction in brain go their own way, separate from those that form our gender in accordance with XX or XY programming, and as a result we have males attracted to males, or females attracted to females. These discrepancies are yet to be explained. However, modern science has no doubt that homosexual people are not mentally challenged in any way per se, so, whatever the reason for those discrepancies, it's anything but a defect.
KirilleXXI 2 years ago
As for relation of "spike in homosexualism" with chemical pollutions: show me controlled blind studies proving that by adding certain chemicals into fetus's blood scientists made those individuals gay. Otherwise, it sound just like "Mercury was in retrograde when you were born, that's why you're gay!"
Why there are more homosexuals now than ever? Because closeted ones come out! They don't live in fear and lies anymore! And that is the real reason, with no chemical pollution mumbo-jumbo.
KirilleXXI 2 years ago
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@KirilleXXI it's also why you're only a Beta and not an Alpha, even Huxley knew that!
NegativeNick 2 years ago
Thank you for this!!!
Scottiepoo5612 2 years ago 5
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Homosexual you have no right to force us to feed your gay sickeness. You are inferior and less than . This is laughable.
SpaceTrollMuthaFuka 2 years ago
You're the one who's pathetic, why are u looking on gay videos if u can't tolerate it anyway? get lost !
LeMaleHeureux 2 years ago 5
Same old story: The majority pushes around the minority. Eventually the majority will lose, like it always does.
You can only push ignorance and intolerance for so long before people realize how stupid it is.
elvickRULES 2 years ago 7
Shame on us? Ha Ha
How about PIss on YOU?
HrdCoreAtheist 2 years ago
I am really happy you're doing these videos.
billwenham 2 years ago 3
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oscarmyerweinereater That all you got?
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
Troll much?
billwenham 2 years ago 2
PFA I think that everytime you say "To a homosexual this or that" you should say: To ME...etc etc . That just in case that you want to be FAIR. Otherwise... whatever.
oscarbingham 2 years ago 2
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To a homosexual Constipation is Labor
and evacuation of its bloated bowel birth pains. When dropping a load into the commode it breathes by panting imagining that it is giving birth and feeling Gay Pride for it
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
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To a homosexual, anal surgery for Prolapsed hemorrhoids is a C-Section.
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
@PinkFluffAtheism you seem to know a lot about it this stuff, how come?
summersonset 2 years ago 5
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A fart, to homosexuals , is sexually provocative.
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
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The smell of raw DoDo wafting in the air?
Someone forget to flush the toilet or crap in their pants?
Nah, to a homosexual the smell of raw crap is just the smell of queer love in the air.
PinkFluffAtheism 2 years ago
@StarDolphin1 do you have a dolphin?
summersonset 2 years ago
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Again, if homosexuals do not like what I am posting then DON"T post me - because obviously you like being shown that you are certified brain defects
StarDolphin1 2 years ago
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Yes He did, but more importantly from what I understand of Christianity
the only abomination before the Sight of God were perverts queers in wahtuse to be the Homsexual Capital of the World, Sodom,
which God personally vaporized em with a Nuclear Thunderbolt
It would seem God don't like no butt hole bandits
StarDolphin1 2 years ago
@StarDolphin1 no Jesus never condemned homosexuality, you can read the bible for that. And hey I talk to you when I want to. If you dont want to be responded to, you shouldnt post here, this is a gay channel after all.
summersonset 2 years ago
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That to even think it is the sdame as having done it. So yes He did condemn homosexual perverts.
Also smmrsnst YOU are violating my civil Rights by not recognizing that I have instructed your perverts not to psot me - yet you do? Violater! And - well you are inferior. Anyway - are you being psychologically played the fool by rvs psychlgy?
StarDolphin1 2 years ago
@StarDolphin1 if you dont want people to post to you, then dont comment here. And again, you really should study the bible, nowhere does Jesus condemn homosexuality.
summersonset 2 years ago 3
smmrsnst will refrain from "@" as it seems invective. Firstly , from what I know of Christianity Jesus most certainly did condemned homosexual perverts by affirmation that He has not come to aboliosh the LAW but to add onto it.
StarDolphin1 2 years ago
Please cite a reference for your claim that Jesus condemned homsexuality. Take as much time as you need. You'll need a LOT of time, by the way, because you'll have to dig up some undiscovered scrolls or something like that, because certainly there is no record in the Bible that Jesus said squat about it.
5891jonathan 2 years ago
GOD was butthole bandit.
deeter131 2 years ago
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If there were not a Jesus Christ, which created us, and condemns homosexuality; it still wouldn't make any sense to practice it, or, whatever perfection one might think can be obtained from it. In the light of the bigger picture, it really is just selfish lust; no contribution to the future; period.
blissJesus 2 years ago
@blissJesus Jesus never condemned homosexuality.
summersonset 2 years ago 4
according to your logic..then gays are far more powerful than God. Because God supposedly created everything in the universe, and he didn't want gays...but we are still here after all these years...LOL...your God is weak...gays beat HIM!!! LOL and as to no contribution?..wow. if not for gays, then all those kids you straight people throw away would spend their entire lives in those adoption agencies you throw them away in when they become an inconvenience to your selfish lives.
deeter131 2 years ago 4
@blissJesus: Oh really? Jesus condemned homosexuality? I guess I must have missed that passage. Kindly, let me know where it says that Jesus said ANYTHING whatsoever about homosexuality.
fidget68 2 years ago
I totally agree. Jesus said nothing about homosexuality and ANY version of the bible.
jalanlukes 2 years ago 2
@jalanlukes
Yeah, Jesus didn't say anything about bestiality or sex with underage children. May as well legalize that.
jasonpauldegraaf 2 years ago
What does sex with animals
,and sex with innocent children have anything to do with homosexuality...Unless you're a priest but I guess that's okay if you pay your dues and use your frequent flyer miles to go pray at the Vatican *sarcasm* Why do so many people compare bestiality to the legalization of gay marriage? Sounds ignorant dude. Also I've heard pastors say that kind of comment in front of churches. Why can't people don't preach principal but instead rhetoric filled with fear tactics?
landisjam 2 years ago 2
@landisjam
it has everything to do with it....because these individuals are using the same level of logic that you are to justfy thier behavior....if its works for you what makes you think it wont work for them? because you dont like to fuck animals or kids? why should thier rights be denied if yours shouldnt be denied? because you think its wrong?...or because society thinks it wrong?. do a youtube search on pedophilia and zoophilia and review thier arguments..strickingly similar to yours.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse
pedophiles amd zoophiles argue that children and animals can consent,...they argue that they are born the way they are,...they argue that society opresses them,..they arguge that children or animals are not ever harmed, they argure that sexual attractions should not matter to society, they argue that when science contradicts thier perspectives its biased,...they argue that if society didnt see anything wrong with pedos and zoo-idiots that it would be better off.
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago
@endchildsexualabuse continued:
these are the same arguments the gay community uses...and was quite sucessful at framing the debate,..claiming its a matter of human rights,..well guess what pedophiles and zoophiles also say its a matter of human rights...anyone who disagrees is automatically pathologized for dessenting. they throw around words like pedo-phobia, if you dont ageee that people should not fuck kids or animals your referred to as "anti" and bigoted and phobic..
endchildsexualabuse 2 years ago