Did you need to hear their death agonies to know your omnipotence?

[IYAMNI]

First time I saw this I scanned back and watched it twice again. One of Deadwood's finest moment... hell, one of TV's finest moments.

[WillSKB88]

"Otherwise, if there is no God and you dont believe, why would you cry out to him and be mad? It is smply part of the cosmic evolution."

No, it's because A) we're constantly told there is a God, therefore when something happens we want someone to blame. I would bet that if we believed in 20 gods, 3 of whom were pain gods then we'd cry to them. B) We cry about the injustice of it all and by shouting it relieves our pain very slightly. C) Sh**t happens.

[WillSKB88]

daveheet:

The problem is *You* don't think everyone's going to hell... I bet I could whip up 100 people who say that everbody except the purest are not going to hell, or only the ones who pray in a certain direction. In the end it's completely subjective, so coming on here and saying "he'll be alright" doesn't help the argument in the slightest.

[enyawix]

lol

[Clausfarre]

Great... another religious nut doing serial commenting. Leave the fairytale world behind in kindergarten where it belongs.

[WillSKB88]

Haha well said!

@

Clausfarre

[iloveg25]

WTF, man you are nuts.

[ivarbt]

What is the name of this film? Is that the guy from Lord of the rings, btw?

[theinquisitor]

Yeah he's in Lord of the Rings, the actor's name is Brad Dourif. The clip is from the TV series Deadwood.

[GOAQ]

I find it truly amazing that in this day and age there are so many that believe in a fairytale. I yearn for that "comfort", but not at any price.

The world is a cruel place. Learn to live with that fact because i'm fairly sure thats all you get.

[baggieboy83]

Only a perfect, almighty, wonderous god that is full of love for his children could rejoice in the suffering of millions. When jewish babies burnt in ovens, what did your god do then? What sin had the babies committed to deserve that?

Your god is a dead idea, shaming you and all your fellow 'justifiers of suffering'.

The only things working in mysterious ways are the believers who can twist their fragile minds to fit ANYTHING into their delusion where robotic answers become a reflex.

[doktorfuture]

Perhaps if he just smiled more, or camped at an intersection of the ley lines he'd have a better time of it.

I think what would help most of all tho, is a round of regular massages. He must be carrying tension in those muscles.

[mconn2112]

If he was there, yes, because he would be a twisted prick.

[bamboo4tameshigiri]

To hell with the god of Abraham, where it belongs.

[TheJacolyte]

zomg teh drama!

[daveheet]

Im sure these words will be hollow to you also, but the truth is that God allows these things because we have to deal with the consequences of our own actions and others actions from the past as well. We glorify God when we give him praise even through tough times, and not lose faith in Him and who he truly is.

And not to say that our times here are pointless, but the pain we experience here on Earth is nothing compared to the greatness of living in the one true God's presence forevermore.

[theinquisitor]

daveheet, what about when the suffering is not a result of one's own actions? Like when a child is born with AIDS and addicted to heroin? What actions did that child take to deserve that? The fault is the mother's, but the child is completely innocent. Surely you can see that not all suffering is a result of our own mistakes. How do you explain the suffering of children born into poverty and disease and starvation and abuse, as being a result of the actions of those children?

[daveheet]

I do understand what u r saying. No one asked to be born into this messed up world. In that way we are all innocent. But we r obviously all still affected by the actions of others. Im not saying anything is justified here, but all happenings, good or bad, come from previous happenings. Simple cause and effect in a complex System of systems. A lot of people live with no hope for anything more than this. I know its hard to see any possible goodness of God, I do, but I believe we will all see 1 day

[ShadowSandy]

You dont get it.

The character is a believer. The character is a believer who saw pointless amounts of pain. What lessons can be learned from agony before death? What lessons are there in the misery, the shit and piss of war when you die moments later? The cries of those men taught nothing to anyone. It did not glorify the god you speak of. When your god will send them to hell for eternity, why make them suffer on the earth moments before that eternity?

You just dont get it.

[daveheet]

Trust me I DO GET IT. I get the pain and suffering and I have been through things like that before -- not quite as bad but I can empathize. I know it sucks and is pointless and wretched things shouldn't happen. But I know from my own experiences that God can fix situations and heal broken people. It takes a willing and open heart. I didnt see this episode so I dont know what was happening but I dont really think God just sends everyone to hell..

[philhellenes]

daveheet - your lack of empathy, your religiously negated compassion, the utter failure of your imagination, your deliberate attempt to grant glory to that which has no mercy, all means your words are FAR from "hollow".

Your words are FULL, overflowing, with the most foul selfishness of which the human mind is capable. Your religion has brought you to a place so cold it is normally only inhabited by psychopaths. You aren't human anymore.

[daveheet]

wow Im getting a lot of harsh replies to my comment. I really do understand what is being expressed in this video, I thnok about stuff like that a lot. Maybe I am wrong in what I said. I only said it because it seems to me that if the Lord is real, then having faith in him for eventual deliverance and salvation of mankind is the ultimate answer for us as humans. Otherwise, if there is no God and you dont believe, why would you cry out to him and be mad? It is smply part of the cosmic evolution.

[thefakeyeti]

"Otherwise, if there is no God and you dont believe, why would you cry out to him and be mad?"

When we say "why would god allow this" we aren't saying that we believe in god, but believe he is evil..

We are simply asking, if he did exist, why would he allow this?

And so far, I think the most logical conclusion is that nature is simply indifferent to us.. and there is no god.

Otherwise, there is to much mental gymnastics.. "God allows it because..." all speculation, no PROOF.

[tyrannicoystercult]

you're personifying god far too much as most people do. you can't just forget about the major aspect of almost all religions including christianity, that faith is a mystery and all that potentially lies beyond the material universe as we see it is mysterious, motives, purposes, everything. you can't disprove god in an ontological sense or even on christianity's own terms just by saying 'he' is cruel and distant, a moral failure of a god. there are much better reasons to come to the conclusion.

[theinquisitor]

Perhaps the reason for arguing against a personal god is because that is such a widely held conception of god. Many Christians talk about their "personal relationship with God" and wouldn't recognise the distant god that you refer to you.

The point is that a loving all powerful personal god in a universe where there is so much suffering is a conundrum that requires explanation. The much simpler explanation is that no such god exists. It's a major factor in many people's religious deconversion

[tyrannicoystercult]

indeed. i feel sad for whatever circumstances of deprivation or intoxication that bring any individual to this intense level of need, even worse that it's passed on in a cyclical way. its almost like a class struggle topic, removing the real undeniable pain that gives the belief a 'dense' core to attach to, and the confusion or idealistic view of the supernatural can be turned away from without psychological 'consequence'. i fear for people in bad situations who have their faith broken harshly