His site here on youtube is MHCseattle. I've watched so many sermons. This man doesn't skip parts of the scripture, add to it or twist it. He is Blunt!!! He is a Great teacher.....many people who think they were saved...realize they were not!!! He doesn't compromise...he is honest...and he is rock solid!
The actions of Christians are procured from interpretations of the Bible. It was so back then, and so it also this way now.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29. Is this moral? A raped woman has to marry the man who raped her? The guy who rapes her, his punishment is....pay the girl's father some money. :O
The above passage doesn't need in interpretation btw. It is what is it. Wake up please. The bible is a way to serve God, not to live a moral life. It has codes of conduct we would deem offensive today.
I have a negative view of my self on my own, but in Christ I am seen as pure and spotless. "I believe humans should love and accept who they are (and are not)." Does that apply to murderers and rapists? if not, where do you draw the line between people who should be accepted and who shouldn't?
Without God, there would be no moral society as there would be no right or wrong.
@thelaw986 Is God responsible for the crusades? NOPE. that was done by flawed human beings, and I challenge you to find 1 passage of scripture that supports them.
@rwleif christianity is self deprecating: original sin; humans are inherently evil. These are negative views of the "self". I believe humans should love and accept who they are (and are not). Furthermore, a moral society needs no religion.
@thelaw986 you find me a moral person (Christian, atheist, hindu et all..) I'll give you my car. THEY DON'T EXIST, but because man believes himself to be capable of such without God he will never know until he surrenders
@wilhelm362436 Most people in this world are moral! (WOW!) They do not kill others or wish others harm. Why else would people want to create countries and government and societies? These units are created and based on moral codes which human HAVE! No God needed (Thomas Jefferson + other American founding fathers agree too).
@thelaw986 they are? do me a favor ( for arguments sake don't be a tool and lie about it either because that's just cheap and negates things) and keep tabs on ALL of your thoughts for a week. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. then, let me know how often you think (even though you won't act on it) about sex with someone other than a spouse, how often you call someone an idiot, stupid, et all, how often you consider lying even if you don't do it, overindulge in anything..food drink..games...
@wilhelm362436 Also, no one is without "sin" because everyone makes mistakes; but guess what, we make amends for these things by paying dues to those who we wrong; we do not say "sorry" to a God. A God cannot forgive you for doing wrong to someone. We make amends to other people.
@thelaw986 we don't? funny. i do. even more amazing, i've received responses. Jesus Christ is real whether you choose to acknowledge Him or not. A God can't do what? Be God. That doesn't make much sense either. I, having no real sound ethics of my own (I'm being honest) am shallow and would just get over my mistakes, laugh at people's stupidity, and be cocky and arrogant, because, quite frankly THAT'S WHO I AM. God, by His grace, put a fear in me that's putting an end to that.
@wilhelm362436 I don't see anything wrong with you (or anyone) bring arrogant, cocky, shallow, or laugh at others. There is NOTHING wrong with that. You should be proud of who you are. How to express yourself is your own business. Now, we all know "what comes around goes around", and so your actions "could" potentially bring negative feedback from those around you. But hey, I'm sure you know that already. People will retaliate, God (who doesn't exist) will not.
@wilhelm362436 And no, God did not put fear into you. After you began to believe in the existence of a creator, your mind began to believe that bad things will happen to you if you continue to be who you were.
You would have changed in the same way if a large jail guard were to beat you over the head every time you had negative and arrogant thoughts. It's called "conditioning". Truth.
I don't know the guy well enough to make a judgment: But what I WOULD like to say is: There are all kinds of different people with different needs in a church. I am glad he is presenting the gospel to them. I disagree with Nightline's comment that he is "selling" a message...He is "presenting" a message...A message he didn't write himself, a message of salvation and hope.
Also, his ideas on pre-destination are so disgustingly ignorant, I'm at a loss for words. The idea that you have been saved before you were even born and that everyone else is going to hell is just so moronic, I don't even know where to start. Here's an idea: abandon this religious crap, treat human beings decent and morally, stop lying and brainwashing people, and look to science for a real explanation of how the universe works.
@chaseren11 You're so ignorant, you don't even know him and you just judge. You atheists have got to be the sorriest group of people, you say that all we do is just live and when bad things happen, that's too bad and when we die, that's just it another wasted life. And people ARE saved before they are born because God knows that there are people like you, but if you repent and get baptised then you can be saved.
@DFOlover1 lol I wouldn't even refer to myself as an atheist, but this could be the most ignorant thing I've read on Youtube. I don't even know how to respond haha. You actually believe people are pre-destined to do stuff before they're born. Wow. Just wow. I feel sorry for your ignorance.
@chaseren11 Yeah you're right, I take that back, I'm not sure about that one actually. What I am sure about it that you are ignorant enough to know the truth but instead run from it. And if you're not an atheist then what are you?
Shouting doesn't make any of that nonsense any more logical than speaking calmly -____- Also, LOL at his views on sexuality. This guy is a wannabe macho douchebag whose ideas on sexuality are just laughable and ignorant. His whole sermon sounds like he just tries to yell at you that Jesus is real until you believe it. It just goes to show how talking loud and with lots of emotion can distort people's minds from thinking logically.
Wow... From the profile name to your wonderful statement, I sense someone set on hatin... Grow up dude... For the record all true Christians I guarantee hate westborou's stupidity more than you... Have a open mind, end da trollz... Thanks ; )
It doesn't matter what spin you put on it, how edgy you think you are....... there is nothing "cool" about believing in talking snakes and magical overlords.
This liar shows up down in Portland at gay bars all the damn time. I can't believe you people don't even know this yet, but you will someday when someone decides to out him in a far nastier way than i will....
"ill spirit christians"? talk about hypocritical. hows the world look from that pedestal of yours? you know you're not perfect so dont criticize others. this is the reason i stopped going to church!
leave it to ABC. They are acting like he only talks about sex in his messages. I urge you to go watch his sermons on-line and on youtube. He plays it right from the bible. PERIOD. I live in the midwest, never met him, but watch his messages. This was made to try to make him look bad. He just says and preaches as the bible says, and if you don't like it go listen to someone who just says want YOU want to hear. He tells the truth. Keep going Mark, I'll keep watching.
@LampPostShade THANK YOU! Driscoll is one of my favorite preachers. God is using him in a powerful way. He's not afraid to bring up issues that desperately need to be brought to light. That's what's wrong with most churches. They pretend everything's ok when it's not.
Everyone talks about judging but isn't that what your doing? Listen to his preaching for one month one month and it will change your life. Your perceptions sometime will mislead you down the wrong path listen to your heart and it will guide you to eternal salvation!
Why is he poison? Because despite is laid back demeanor, he is very traditional in his view of te bible. Sinners don't want to hear the truth, that is why you view im as poison and "harsh." Repent people, ask for forgiveness and come to Christ. Only throug him is salvation possible. You want proof? Feeling the holy spirit in your life is more proof than any type of evidence or proof. Only those who have felt the Holy Spirit know what I am saying.
@DannyBoy445593: There's nothing wrong with wanting proof, if you'd believe everything you hear in life on faith things would not go well. Wanting proof is reasonable. "Feeling the holy spirit in your life" does not count as proof. The mind is susceptible to hallucination, one needs something a little more tangible than feelings to go on when evaluating reality as anyone who's ever taken a mind altering drug, suffered a mental condition or had a high enough fever will tell you.
@noibn2 Not judging my friend, but OF COURSE THERE'S PROOF. The whole bible is historically legit and even scientific. The only problem with the last one is that many of them are atheist who denies to give God the credit for this X or Y reason. It's true there are a bunch of wackos in Christianity as there's also in other religions, including atheism. Because this guy Jones kill himselve and 698 people, should we blame for that to all atheists? Of course not!
@ChriRockTV: I'm sorry friend but that is just not true. There are many many claims in the bible that are highly unscientific or historically incorrect. For example, the claim that jesus walked on water or that moses parted the red seas, those things go against everything we know today about physics. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the supposed eyewitness accounts of bronzeage goat-herders doesn't really cut it. Show me verifiable scientific proof and I'll believe you.
@noibn2 About Jesus, there's an explanation, you and I know already. There's more than one eyewitnessed registered. If you chose to not believe, then who's wrong? See what I mean? And for Moses, there's two: The one just mentioned just now and also, scientist recreate that event already. They even gave it a name and how it happens. I think it was on NatGeo months ago... All the puzzle pieces fit. Also, sorry to say, but science will never proof everything that happens in the world.
@ChriRockTV: I'm not sure that you've grasped the concept of scientific evidence. If you knew what the "scientific method" was you'd know that the supposed eye-witness accounts of the bible wouldn't suffice, not matter how numerous they were. Even in modern day court cases eyewitness accounts are seen as very weak forms of evidence since people are prone to make any number of errors or false assumptions, even when it comes to mundane matters. So sorry, come up with better evidence.
@noibn2 Alright and you are right, I probably don't know too much of the "method" as you say. But here's the thing, are you saying that the 500 people (Including followers and strangers) that saw Jesus raising from the death, talk to him and saw him abandon earth and such were all part of a massive delirium event? Twelve people may commit an error, but 500?
@ChriRockTV: Well look, neither you nore I was there when it happened. That means we have to go by the claims in the bible. As far as I understand, the bible has had various authors and has been translated in various languages. It's had parts removed etc. The people who supposedly saw Jesus return were not still around when the bible was written so even there they'd had to go by thirdhand accounts (right?). What's to say that those 500 people even existed? There are too many holes...
@noibn2 Indeed. However, as years go by, they have been founding the originals script from all those authors, not the translated ones. I think the one they were missing only was Matthew, though I think they already found it few years ago. Bible really is an compilation of scriptures by several God inspired authors. Matt I think was who wrote that, not with the help of anyone but himself. The Gospel of Matthew is quite like a book/diary if we can call it like that from him....
@noibn2 Sure, certainly there was several things that Matthew learned or was told before he became an disciple like the born and such. But those things are already confirmed in other books besides that. However the return to mountain where he left, he was already with the other disciples when he along the 500 saw it. As far as I know the only books with serious holes in it are those like Esther 2, Tobia and the rest of the 12. But neither of those are considered real God inspired scriptures.
@noibn2 In short, I am not a theologician or anything like that, those may know more than both of us about the process. I just read the books, articles and preaches about it :)... I can only say for years, people have been trying to say the bible has holes and all them fails even when they come up with lies. There's this famous journalist called Lee Strobel who at first was trying to do that and in the process couldn't find anything and became Christian, so yeah... those things keep me wonder...
@noibn2 And for closing, sorry if I took too much of your time in this. Please don't consider it an attack or offense, just a friendly question here, question there debate :)... There has been news that scientists are trying to prove wrong or right the existence of a soul in all humans being. I read it in an article long time ago, there might be a soul indeed in all of us. Personally ask you: Where then it goes? If there's no heaven or hell, do they stay on earth as ghosts walking among us?
@ChriRockTV: Well,personally I don't believe in the existance of souls. I've allways thought that such believes go hand in hand with the belief in heaven/hell. I like to think of like this. When I die my body will decompose and my conscience will enter the same state as it had before I was born, I guess you'd call it nothingness. Now I know some may concider that a depressing thought but not me, since my conscience wont be around for me to know any better. :)
@noibn2 Well, in that case there's not too much to speak right? If you don't believe in soul, then telling you all about the soul such might be a waste. But just wanted to bring it to the table, science is proving it and even in one experiment they recorded in a computer, analyzing a dead body or something like that and saw something they believe is the soul. But now, if you want nothingless be sure to avoid Dan Cook or he will kill you. You can look for it here on Youtube ;)
@ChriRockTV: Really? They've managed to recreate the parting of the red seas by way of invoking a all powerful supernatural entity? Who were these scientists, how come they're not pumping out this story 24/7 on the news, I mean if this was indeed true and not a hoax it would be the greatest feat in scientific history! So where are the peer-rewied papers etc? I mean why bother with Noble prizes for petty discoveries such as the accelerating expansion of the Universe when you can you've got this?
@noibn2 Oh yeah! They did! And sure they did, they use all powerful supernatural entity: they used a computer and a software ;)... Well, you didn't knew about until now, probably you were busy doing something that day, but it was broadcasted in channels like NatGeo and Discovery Channel, etc., I think it was last year. But yeah, they prove it using modern science leaving us now with "God caused the event" OR "Moses and his millions were reeeeeeeally lucky".
@ChriRockTV: "science will never proof everything that happens in the world"
That may indeed be true, but I don't see how that matters. Of all the things we have proved thus far has been thru science. Everything we will ever know about the world will be thanks to science. Science and ONLY science can explain the physical world to us. Those things that science can't explain will remain unexplainable. Claiming that "God did it" proves nothing.
@noibn2 Unfourtanely my friend, your ONLY has a flaw as before we had science, people already proved things. I mean, people got insane when they discover the world didn't ended in the Old World. However, Isaiah wrote about it thousands of years ago. What's your theory about it? Did he took a ship before columbus and discovered America? As there are "errors" in the Bible, there are quite HUGE revelations in it. Science and didn't knew about. See that's one of things that keeps me awake.. the How?
@ChriRockTV: Sure, if you can prove something then science exists. Therefore there can be no "before sicence existed" :)
That passage in Isaiah does't prove anything, it's just colorful language. The passage says something about "he sits enthroned above the circle of the earth". Well, the earth is not a circle, it's a sphere. Isaiah could just as well have been talking about a disk, ie a flat earth. The passage also mentions the four corners of the earth. Does that mean the earth is square?
@noibn2 Science always existed, only back then was called magic and was attached to religion. So we can say religious people (Pagans mostly) where the first scientists. Also, geography, history and those subjects are also a type of science. So really I don't hate science and Christians really don't hate science. Know more about the universe is good. You can say what we hate is people trying to take the credit to God for it. That's I am pretty sure all my brothers will agree with me.
@ChriRockTV: True, much of early science came about thru people experementing and not really knowing waht they were doing. Alchemy for instance. And althou some early scientists were also religious people (say monks) it is important to note that the church has a long long history of disrupting scientific progress, and persecuting men of science because they were seen as heretics. I think it's arrogant to give God credit for the work of scientists, they did the work so they deserve the credit.
@noibn2 About the disrupting, come on, let's face it, any person out of catholic beliefs or that tried to steal their kingdoms and money, etc. was really a non-living human being. If you check the history, you would see we the protestants were all killed too for same "heretics". I am one of those people really believe catholic once was a great group of people, but then messed up BADLY, deep into the under, under, under, underground...
@noibn2 I don't know if you have heard of the imagus dei (I think that's how you write it). Everyone, believers or not has that. If you don't know look and do research about it, Bible mention it alot. But that's what provide us with all the talents, gifts and such we have. So is not arrogant, he really deserves it. Now as He wrote, He's not really expecting everyone, especially people that don't believe in him, does it. So yeah, I think "arrogance" isn't the proper word :)
@noibn2 C'mon, really? You don't know what means the four corners of the earth? North, South, East and West? :)... As I always correct me if I am wrong, but a sphere is not necessarily a circle but it looks almost like a shape of a circle. I mean, the globe looks to me like a circle, it may have his differences in some point, but it looks like it. Probably back then they didn't knew the "sphere" word, so they call it circle. I mean, that's a possibility too, am I right?
@ChriRockTV: Of course I know what the four corners of the earth refers to, I was just trying to illustrate a point :) You are willing to rationalize about the part that mentions the circle so that it will fit with our current understanding of the world, but you disregard the other parts because as we know they are allegorical. What is to say that the part about the circle isn't an allegory? The passage is far too vauge to count as proof of anything.
@noibn2 Then we close this subject with you believing can be an allegory and, it could, as it could not. Once again, we were not with Isaiah, I believe he was not a wacko doing scenes during the war as activist or something, reading his book you need to accept all his predictions turned out to be truth allegorically or not. From Israel under the hands of the enemy and the enemy itself to other things. ;)
@noibn2 Also almost, if not everything all does prophets prophetized turned out to happen. From Christ specifically born, life, family, death to Israel and such to Israel situation and countries surrounding situation. Sure, you can argue with other characters like famous Nostradamus. But I don't know you, but there's way too much coincidence, don't you think?
@ChriRockTV: But those accounts were written down after the bible right? That kind of kills the creadbility doesn't it? I think the mind is programmed to see patterns, that is why some people are so prone to interpret these "prophesies" as fitting in with a partiqular event. Nostradamous talked about flying pigmen, could that be modern day fighter pilots with their mask on? Well, if you have a great imagination maybe :)
@noibn2 Prophets books and old testament stuff? Remember the pharisees had all those books and stuff with them before Jesus even came. Old testament is older than new, much older. Old testament is also more like an history book with God's inspirations and such. But then it comes out the same question, Christ fulfilled all the prophecies including like the ones like how he borns, where he borns, the way he dies, what happens in the cross, etc. exactly as it was told...
@noibn2 It's true just like other "mesiah" out there, he could take some stuff and follow it. But things like when the soldiers played with his cloth and such. He couldn't planned that his own, as we read the Gospels, we can be 100% sure he was not going to receive help from neither of them. So yeah, that makes you think... :)
@noibn2 About smy last statement, here's an example. According to the, if not mistaken, cause and effect: There was absolutely nothing in the universe. No particles or such thing because if there was, where did they came from? So, nothing, nothing at all. How it happens all the Big Bang, etc.? As all the quimics and such must have come from some place, etc. How it happens? See, it's really unlogical..See what I mean?... But you believe it, why? ;)
@ChriRockTV: The concenus is that the universe sprang into exsisence as a "singularity". As of yet scientists know very little about singularities, partly because they exist in the core of black holes where conventional laws of physics do not apply. Science has a proven trackrecord, that is why I'm convinced that if we ever uncover the truth about the creation of the universe it will be thru science. All the great minds in recent history point to the same conclusion, from Einstein to Hawkings.
@noibn2 My one problem with Hawkings, Dawkins, Einstein and all those people is that they are, as far as I know, pretty much one-road type of person. If you can prove me wrong, and you are all welcome, they are all not so God enthusiast people, and my belief is THAT may affect their points of view. Get what I mean? As for Christianity, I am quite a analytic person. I don't eat immediately every word that gets into my ears....
@ChriRockTV: Well, Dawkings is not a great fan no. But Einstein was once a very devout Jew. He lost his faith later thou and became agnostic but I don't think he was really hostile towards religion. I don't think Hawkings is very outspoken against religion either, but I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case their arguments/proofs are separate from their personal beliefs. That is to say the evidence stands on it's own feet.
@noibn2 Well, I don't know Dawkings heart and neither do you. So you can't say his point of view isn't affected with his beliefs, especially when his actions and the stuff he does, proof the opposite. "God doesn't exist" in all the busses in the UK? What does it tell you that? I mean that's quite agressive for someone that doesn't put his beliefs. What if instead of God it was a message against homosexuality or such. Oh no! Everyone would call him a hater, etc. See what I mean? :)
@noibn2 I turned then into files, cards, you put the name. I then put then on the table and do my research from Christian to out of Christianity people. Then I put then together and begin the research. I will get my doubts and other people argument (Like yours), throw it to the other party and see what they have to say until I get an approximate fact. Don't get me wrong is not lack of faith or anything, that's my personal way to be. However, great minds they are not so that way. Get what I mean?
@ChriRockTV: What I find funny however, is the blatant hypocrisy you display in your question. You say that it is unlogical for something to come out of nothing (not my actual belief thou, more like your straw man argument). But that is exactly what you belive. So if nothing can come from nothing where did God come from? If he created the universe, then who created him? And if you say that God does not need a creator then why argue that the universe needs one? Talk about unlogical...
@noibn2 5 paragraphs hehhe, so many to respond. Ok, so let's go with this one. I apologies for acussing you of something, at least you state here, you don't believe and for any wrong interpretation. But here's the thing, your argument quite sounds same as mine but in reverse. Alright, if it's not unlogical to believe in theories, then why it is believe in God? If the universe didn't need a creator, why God should? Are scientists and Christians wasting our time fighting each other?
i was raised in a christian family and my parents are still bigtime christians. the older i got the more i realized the whole church thing is just not for me. never felt more uncomfortable around people than i did in church. its just the blind leading the blind, and hypocritical acts galore.
@rtask That's your opinion my friend. There's true that there are a bunch of "christians", especially now in days. But not for that you need to point us all. Because your family, your church and all that surrounds you might be "ill spirit christians", it doesn't mean we are all the same. Maybe you haven't met the truly christians, a real healthy church OR maybe you weren't meant to be saved. I really hope is the first thing and not the second ;)... Blessings!
@mowriter Are you calling Paul a arrogant, a-holey? Dude, dudette, dawg... One of the greatest ministers, missionaries and bible characters is Paul and you are telling he is wrong because he believed in predestination? Is in the book of Romanos, you know? Also, if everyone is meant to be saved, why is people going to hell? You must be either a luthorean, wesley people or an atheist... Just ask yourself those question above :)... Blessings!
@ChriRockTV : I'm calling Mark "a-holey," meaning not quite a full on A-hole, but projecting that kind of arrogant, know-it-all persona I've experienced in many a Calvinist advocate.
Like I said, I'll GET OVER IT (LOL).
As for Paul? That's your putting Calvins words in Pauls mouth. The case for Paul advocating Calvinism is COMPELLING, I agree. I wouldn't call it air-tight, though, and I'm comfortable with the ambiguity.
And to be clear: MUCH respect to Paul, Calvin, and yourself :-)
@mowriter I don't know about Mark as I don't belong to his church and quite new listening to his preach. If you see, never tried to protect him or anything as I honesty don't know him. I don't consider myself calvinist. I am from those Christians that read, study and learn through the holy spirit what they try to say. The John 3:16 verse and Paul in Rome both fits perfectly. Remember Bible is a book, and as any other book you must read the whole thing to understand, not a small part :)... Bless!
every person is entitled to their own beliefs. So what.. some people think waiting for that one person is a special gift.. a gift to only be shared with one being.. Why is that upsetting? They aren't telling you how to live your life, just stating what they believe.. And calling him poison for his belief, that's judgment as well. Get off your soap box, every person is aloud to believe what they want. The beauty is, you don't have to listen.
@mztadobolina It is true. You can believe whatever, but whatever would not save you ;)... There's registered papers that says God, Christians and Jewish God, Jehova, that man up there in heaven came first. Even if the Eden wasn't real, Abel and Cain murder everyone knows is the first homocide in history and there's ALOT proof, God is real and the others, are merely, simple copies... The beauty is, that God will not point you with a gun, you can reject or follow him. It's you choise ;)
Driscoll is poison. It is the right of every consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere, especially the non existent sadist tyrant, god of the Bible, Koran and Torah.
@roac7777 : no ones denying anyone can do anything they want. Driscoll is advocating a BETTER way, one that advances the human spirit rather than feeding off loneliness, desperation, or acting out from prior molestation.
@roac7777 Where are the applauses? C'mon!... Just because you are angry, maybe pissed with God. Probably you have no may have no self control, and only wants to fornicate... that doesn't mean you are right. It probably means that you a free spirit people. You may be an anarchist... Plus, I see you say god and not God, because my God isn't a sadist tyrant as you say. There's people that understands the Bible, and then there's people like you that does the opposite :)
@ChriRockTV I suggest you read your Bible properly, your god does not exist, but if he did then he is guilty of genocide, infanticide, homophobia, condones rape and murder and is sadistic.
man this man is amazing. even the way he doesn't shoot the interviewer right away when he asks him on whether he has to keep his pride in check, but actually comes clean and just is honest. I personally think he is someone i need to look up too.
So let me get this straight, he believes that he and others like him have been preordained from the beginning of time to be saved and taken up into heaven while the majority of humanity will perish in eternal flames having no say in the matter whatsoever having essentially been created for the sole purpose of being tormented. So clearly he's spewing out the highest order of nonsense, but he seems like a likeable guy. That's the problem. Too much faith in the pews and not enough thinking.
@mattattack007 He, me or anybody else knows how many people are going to be saved or not. But let me just clear this for you, God makes you decide, He doesn't point you with a gun. Now, if the "majority" as you say, decides to deny Him is not His fault. That being said, what's better: All Humanity damned or only the "Majority"? Learn, think out of the box and then you may input your thoughts... Just a friendly advice :)
A lot of what I think he says and the way he says it helps me, to focus in on my areas of issue. I am thinking of the responsibilities of being a man. I might not agree with a lot of what he says on certain subjects, and maybe he drinks too much red bull. He is no Yeshua and none of us are but at least he's striving to improve the culture, and to fix families. HalleluYah
they made it sound like pure marketing and demagoguery. but i guess i can't expect them to understand the wooing power of the spirit throughout the gospel...
I wish Nightline didnt take some of the sex talk out of context. I don't even go to his church, but Mark Driscoll is not all liberal "let's talk about sex to everyone" kinda guy. He has those messages for adults only. It is real. You will either get your idea of sex from the media or from a Bible based church. I chose to get my insight from Jesus through a Bible based church.
Was it just in my mind or was the language the reporter was using intentionally trying to put Mark Driscoll and the church in a bad light?
He probably talks about sex so much because there are so many young adults who attend his church. And he answers questions specifically, such as topics like masturbation and sleep overs, without being too explicit, which I think is admirable. A little bit too pentecostal at times for me but I think his theology is preally good (compared to most).
He's portrayed badly here I think. I've only watched a few of his sermons on YouTube recently, but from what I've seen he's a true man of God. God bless him.
The fact that his own wife is embarrassed to talk about such things obviously does nothing to affect you who heartily approve of talking about sexual positions from the pulpit. The bible says that you are near going past all senses. But, you would rather have your ears tickle than believe the truth. How about reading the bible for yourselves? Now there's a novel idea...
Feel free to thumbs up all these comments in support of Mark. No one has said that talking about sex is bad in the church. However, and I like the way the ISV says it in Eph. 5:4 "Obscene, flippant, or vulgar talk is totally inappropriate. Instead, let there be thanksgiving." To talk about masturbation and then sacrilegiously quote Ecc. and the hand is incredibly flippant. So, thumbs up to all the carnal minds out there who simply reject the authority of scripture in their postmodernism.
Hey Mark F**k you. something you said has mentally fucking tortured me for weeks. Nothing good came of it. Just complete bullshit. I don't live all that far from Mars Hill, within 5 months I'm coming to one of your sermons and I'm gonna cuss you out in the middle of it. It's only what you deserve for being a self righteous sob.
I believe this guy is meeting people right where they are....folks need to hear the truth about things that we deal with everyday. The word says that Gods people perish for lack of knowledge and he's answering some very tough questions that people need to know the truth to.
I don't know who likes this vid, but to me, the report seems pretty biased and edited in such a way that makes driscoll seem like an outrageous extremist...in a bad way. The reporter's tone of voice is sardonic and for those who haven't heard or watched Driscoll's sermons, they'd be pretty turned off from watching this. Moreover, the focus is put on Driscoll himself which obviously isn't the main point - the message is to spread the news of Jesus Christ and to confirm the existence of God.
THE BLOOD OF CHRIST WILL BE PREACHED!!!! THIS IS A NEW AGE AND GOD IS RAISING UP NEW WARRIORS, MANY OF YOU DENIED HIS CALLING UNTO YOU AND HE HAS GONE AND DELIVERED PEOPLE LIKE MARK DRISCOLL, KATIE SOUZA, AND NATHAN MORRIS. HOW DARE ANY CHRISTIAN TO DOWN TALK THESE PEOPLE. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU BROUGHT TO CHRIST? THE TIME IS NEAR AND CHRIST IS DONE PLAYING. IF MARK DRISCOLL OFFENDS YOU IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE'S A BAD PERSON IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A SINNER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CAUSING CONVICTION.
@cheechaneekla11 Hmm. Thats interesting. I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions. Personally I have read multiple books and articles on Predestination (also called Divine Election) and read books and articles on free will type thought. I find it a very interesting subject. Right now i am leaning toward Predestination. That is what I have found the bible to teach. But like I said if you believe differently thats fine. I'm not here to start and argument though. But I enjoy talking about it
@FearCanDriveStick That to me just goes against the WHOLE reason Christ came and died. I mean if only a certain amount of people were going to Heaven then why bother sending him in the first place. Why not just have those people keep making sacrifices or whatever. In the Bible it says Christ came for Jews and Gentiles (that being everyone else that is not Jewish) I just don't see how a God that cares that much would do that.
@FearCanDriveStick He can see the expanse of our lives because he lives outside of time, we are subjected to time and are only allowed to view it a second at a time whereas God knows all and sees all. We have the choice to follow him or not. It kinda defeats the purpose of the church and the scripture GO and make disciples of all the nations why would he say that if we are predetermined?
@cheechaneekla11 I dont really have enough space to type out an answer for everyone of the questions about predestination. If you are open about learning more about predestination and all that jazz that comes with it let me know. I could send you to some articles and a book or two.
@FearCanDriveStick You can give me the names of them I can look them up. I'm not saying you're wrong in no sense so please please don't feel that way. I was just stating my viewpoint. But I would like to read what people are saying.
"Wise men neither fall in love or take a dislike at first sight, but still the first impression is always a great thing even with them; and as to those weaker brethren who are not wise, a good appearance is half the battle."
Why go the sexually degenerate Bible for sexual guidance. The Bible commands the death of women who aren't virgins on their wedding night, and commands genital mutilation of infant males. The Bible is sexually criminal.
@brajamtho757 Jesus fulfilled God's law so that we wouldn't have to do that to people. so your statement is false. Ask a Jew though, this may be true for them according to the Law which they still follow, because they don't believe in Jesus.
Doesn't matter. The bottom line is it was done to people at one time. At no time have such things been just. At any time, they are proof that the Bible is not of a good god, most likely not of any god, but uncivilized man.
He speaks the true word of God right out of the bible.
Sure he brings up sex when he is asked but it is because Christians are curious!!
In this day and age sex is everywhere and PEOPLE NEED KNOWLEGE of what is right in gods eyes.
Mark does a great job of helping married people with keeping their love through Christ and eachother strong. HE CONDEMNS SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE LIKE IT IS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE!
@AtomicLOL IMO if your so curious go have sex. There is no better substitute than experience. I think it is wrong to get married so you can enjoy sex. Marriage should be between two people who love each other enough to stay together. Sex helps build that bond. BTW did you know marriage is hardly spoken in the bible? Wasn't it Jesus who said, don't make any oaths? Let your yes be yes and your no be no something like that?
@souldude81 Lol how many people do you think are having sex and staying together? your living in fantasy land. that's an excuse that we have all used. "we'll i really love her ... blah blah blah" then bam you meet someone new and move on.
it kills the whole purpose because by the time your actually getting married to that one true one that will be your other half forever you have already had 10-20 sexual partners?
who wants someone thats been used up and tossed around as the mother of
@AtomicLOL True but would you rather wait tell your married to find out that you are not compatible with some one? Having sex is more harmless then marrying some and ending up unhappy. That leads to worse things like infidility and divorce. Love and sex are two separate things. Being with one person is all fine and dandy but most people don't have the mental constitution to stay faithful.
@AtomicLOL Only if you view sex as dirty. You can have multiple partners and still be safe as long as you practice safe sex. A good skill to learn. Now I am not talking about one night stands where there is a risk, but I think it's good to have some experience under your belt. I personally haven't dated anyone who had 20 or more partners but I can say for myself I wouldn't judge their character based on that. Being a good mother has no relation to how many people you slept with.
Night line definatly edited this video to make mark look way more edgy and hip than he really is. PLEASE PEOPLE as true Christians before you Critizise just listen to one of his podcasts. I was also judging him until i tuned into a random podcast and i must say that he is really preaching FROM THE HEART and with SOUL! unlike catholic brainwashing of same thing different day.
The start of this video - mark says "your being saved, your being born again". You can tell this false teacher is reading from corrupt modern bible. "BEING SAVED"?? No you either ARE saved or NOT saved. Driscoll and his calvinist god continue leading ppl astray.
@TheKJVberean On a different note, this is not crucial for salvation! It's not something we should divide over. If we are followers of Christ, why should it even matter if it's predestined or not, and if we have free will or not? There are holes in both calvinist and armenian theology, & we won't understand it all until glory. God is much greater than I, & his plan is perfect. The human brain can't comprehend how God can be both sovereign & give us free will. that & the trinity r too complex
Mark is calvinist which is false doctrine, mark dresses hippish, he is modern and appeases many bc of the way he presents himself and communicates and most of all bc of the gospel he preaches. Just bc he mentions Jesus doesnt make it right. If todays church was preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ then it wouldnt be accepted like it is today. Mark is a false teacher hands down. the church needs to get back to preaching Jesus Christ and Him crusified. marks gospel is a different gospel.
@TheKJVberean If Calvinist doctrine is wrong, then what is right? Do you not believe that God is in control? Have you actually heard anything of mark driscoll other than this video? He DOES preach the Gospel. He preaches on Christ crucified! And why wouldn't the Gospel be accepted? It's the best news in the world! It sells itself, if u understand it. It's by corruption of the Gospel, adding works to it, and rules that turns people away. The Gospel is the most freeing news in the world.
When a Pastor is known as "cool" this is bad. I will just read the bible for myself and spend my time with God. I don't need to be entertained by a pastor.
@noformstyle Why should church be miserable? Is it supposed to be a place where we can be bored for an hour? NO! This is about expanding the kingdom, and reaching unbelievers through "cool" church is a great way to evangelize. Look at the bigger picture. And it's not just entertainment, he really has good things to say. That's why people come back to him every sunday.
wow. people are painting a much different perspective of this guy in the media. I thought he was some hipster, liberal-theology, emergent pushing fringe guy.
Know what I LOVE about Mark Driscoll?? He brings people into the church to listen to the word that would have never stepped foot in a church or come to know Jesus otherwise....now THAT, my friends, is a man of GOD. The Lord is using you mightily, Pastor Mark!!!
eugh.... it makes me cringe everytime the reporter mentions 'organised religion'... IT ISN'T!! He obviously hasn't seen Mark preach his Jesus vs Religion sermons...
@AtomicLOL Ummm no. What do I care if you talk about sex or not? I think everyone should talk about it. The thing is people who tend to be sexually repressed obsess about sex which is something altogether different. Alot of Christians are sexually repressed and it comes out either in a positive way or negative way. However it must be said that in the bible, sex was a very small topic on Jesus's agenda. The biggest message stated in the gospels is reformation. BTW nice display of grace.
he preaches in the best place on earth (seattle) :)
meganbarry237 1 day ago
This man is an egoist.
suvariboy 1 day ago
His site here on youtube is MHCseattle. I've watched so many sermons. This man doesn't skip parts of the scripture, add to it or twist it. He is Blunt!!! He is a Great teacher.....many people who think they were saved...realize they were not!!! He doesn't compromise...he is honest...and he is rock solid!
Wivanunu 4 days ago
The actions of Christians are procured from interpretations of the Bible. It was so back then, and so it also this way now.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29. Is this moral? A raped woman has to marry the man who raped her? The guy who rapes her, his punishment is....pay the girl's father some money. :O
The above passage doesn't need in interpretation btw. It is what is it. Wake up please. The bible is a way to serve God, not to live a moral life. It has codes of conduct we would deem offensive today.
thelaw986 1 week ago
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I have a negative view of my self on my own, but in Christ I am seen as pure and spotless. "I believe humans should love and accept who they are (and are not)." Does that apply to murderers and rapists? if not, where do you draw the line between people who should be accepted and who shouldn't?
Without God, there would be no moral society as there would be no right or wrong.
rwleif 1 week ago
@rwleif do Buddhists kill each other? do Hindus people kill each other? do atheists kill each other? Nope.
Do christians kill other people? YES! When? The Crusade. In the name of God :O :(
Is God such a moral character then? No
thelaw986 1 week ago
@thelaw986 Is God responsible for the crusades? NOPE. that was done by flawed human beings, and I challenge you to find 1 passage of scripture that supports them.
rwleif 1 week ago
@thelaw986 man centered. we didn't begin things, we didn't redeem things, we don't end things, but we sure as heck enjoy criticizing.
wilhelm362436 4 days ago
being christian is not cool
thelaw986 1 week ago
@thelaw986 why not?
rwleif 1 week ago
@rwleif christianity is self deprecating: original sin; humans are inherently evil. These are negative views of the "self". I believe humans should love and accept who they are (and are not). Furthermore, a moral society needs no religion.
thelaw986 1 week ago
@thelaw986 you find me a moral person (Christian, atheist, hindu et all..) I'll give you my car. THEY DON'T EXIST, but because man believes himself to be capable of such without God he will never know until he surrenders
wilhelm362436 4 days ago
@wilhelm362436 Most people in this world are moral! (WOW!) They do not kill others or wish others harm. Why else would people want to create countries and government and societies? These units are created and based on moral codes which human HAVE! No God needed (Thomas Jefferson + other American founding fathers agree too).
thelaw986 4 days ago
@thelaw986 they are? do me a favor ( for arguments sake don't be a tool and lie about it either because that's just cheap and negates things) and keep tabs on ALL of your thoughts for a week. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. then, let me know how often you think (even though you won't act on it) about sex with someone other than a spouse, how often you call someone an idiot, stupid, et all, how often you consider lying even if you don't do it, overindulge in anything..food drink..games...
wilhelm362436 3 days ago
@wilhelm362436 Also, no one is without "sin" because everyone makes mistakes; but guess what, we make amends for these things by paying dues to those who we wrong; we do not say "sorry" to a God. A God cannot forgive you for doing wrong to someone. We make amends to other people.
thelaw986 4 days ago
@thelaw986 we don't? funny. i do. even more amazing, i've received responses. Jesus Christ is real whether you choose to acknowledge Him or not. A God can't do what? Be God. That doesn't make much sense either. I, having no real sound ethics of my own (I'm being honest) am shallow and would just get over my mistakes, laugh at people's stupidity, and be cocky and arrogant, because, quite frankly THAT'S WHO I AM. God, by His grace, put a fear in me that's putting an end to that.
wilhelm362436 3 days ago
@wilhelm362436 I don't see anything wrong with you (or anyone) bring arrogant, cocky, shallow, or laugh at others. There is NOTHING wrong with that. You should be proud of who you are. How to express yourself is your own business. Now, we all know "what comes around goes around", and so your actions "could" potentially bring negative feedback from those around you. But hey, I'm sure you know that already. People will retaliate, God (who doesn't exist) will not.
thelaw986 3 days ago
@thelaw986 sigh. so you're not going to consider it then?
wilhelm362436 1 day ago
@wilhelm362436 And no, God did not put fear into you. After you began to believe in the existence of a creator, your mind began to believe that bad things will happen to you if you continue to be who you were.
You would have changed in the same way if a large jail guard were to beat you over the head every time you had negative and arrogant thoughts. It's called "conditioning". Truth.
thelaw986 3 days ago
I don't know the guy well enough to make a judgment: But what I WOULD like to say is: There are all kinds of different people with different needs in a church. I am glad he is presenting the gospel to them. I disagree with Nightline's comment that he is "selling" a message...He is "presenting" a message...A message he didn't write himself, a message of salvation and hope.
kcline6969 1 week ago
Former Zaga great Adam Morrison at the 0:44 mark, no joke.
jaredtodd1 2 weeks ago
Also, his ideas on pre-destination are so disgustingly ignorant, I'm at a loss for words. The idea that you have been saved before you were even born and that everyone else is going to hell is just so moronic, I don't even know where to start. Here's an idea: abandon this religious crap, treat human beings decent and morally, stop lying and brainwashing people, and look to science for a real explanation of how the universe works.
chaseren11 3 weeks ago
@chaseren11
But it's what the bible says. Oops.
l33tpwnzord 2 weeks ago
@chaseren11 You're so ignorant, you don't even know him and you just judge. You atheists have got to be the sorriest group of people, you say that all we do is just live and when bad things happen, that's too bad and when we die, that's just it another wasted life. And people ARE saved before they are born because God knows that there are people like you, but if you repent and get baptised then you can be saved.
DFOlover1 1 week ago
@DFOlover1 lol I wouldn't even refer to myself as an atheist, but this could be the most ignorant thing I've read on Youtube. I don't even know how to respond haha. You actually believe people are pre-destined to do stuff before they're born. Wow. Just wow. I feel sorry for your ignorance.
chaseren11 6 days ago
@chaseren11 Yeah you're right, I take that back, I'm not sure about that one actually. What I am sure about it that you are ignorant enough to know the truth but instead run from it. And if you're not an atheist then what are you?
DFOlover1 3 days ago
Shouting doesn't make any of that nonsense any more logical than speaking calmly -____- Also, LOL at his views on sexuality. This guy is a wannabe macho douchebag whose ideas on sexuality are just laughable and ignorant. His whole sermon sounds like he just tries to yell at you that Jesus is real until you believe it. It just goes to show how talking loud and with lots of emotion can distort people's minds from thinking logically.
chaseren11 3 weeks ago
@chaseren11 You shouldnt mix Christianity and logic.
Galexander84 2 weeks ago 2
@Galexander84 Christianity and logic go hand-in-hand...
Kevin6432 1 week ago
@westbororapist
Wow... From the profile name to your wonderful statement, I sense someone set on hatin... Grow up dude... For the record all true Christians I guarantee hate westborou's stupidity more than you... Have a open mind, end da trollz... Thanks ; )
poeticriot777 4 weeks ago
It doesn't matter what spin you put on it, how edgy you think you are....... there is nothing "cool" about believing in talking snakes and magical overlords.
westbororapist 1 month ago
@westbororapist Who said it was cool? It's obviously not. It's hated.
theOffcourse 3 weeks ago
@theOffcourse Mark Driscoll thinks hes cool.
westbororapist 3 weeks ago
$ money
blognewb 1 month ago
This liar shows up down in Portland at gay bars all the damn time. I can't believe you people don't even know this yet, but you will someday when someone decides to out him in a far nastier way than i will....
MuscleDaddyCMH 1 month ago
@MuscleDaddyCMH well how do you know that? Are you serious? Go take a photo or flip video and send it to Towleroad HELLO
blognewb 1 month ago
This pastor just looks like when talked about sex, that he wants to lay on top of a beautiful woman with big honking boobs! Big, huge soft ones!!
bluffgrad07 1 month ago
"ill spirit christians"? talk about hypocritical. hows the world look from that pedestal of yours? you know you're not perfect so dont criticize others. this is the reason i stopped going to church!
rtask 2 months ago
leave it to ABC. They are acting like he only talks about sex in his messages. I urge you to go watch his sermons on-line and on youtube. He plays it right from the bible. PERIOD. I live in the midwest, never met him, but watch his messages. This was made to try to make him look bad. He just says and preaches as the bible says, and if you don't like it go listen to someone who just says want YOU want to hear. He tells the truth. Keep going Mark, I'll keep watching.
LampPostShade 2 months ago
@LampPostShade THANK YOU! Driscoll is one of my favorite preachers. God is using him in a powerful way. He's not afraid to bring up issues that desperately need to be brought to light. That's what's wrong with most churches. They pretend everything's ok when it's not.
RJpsyco009 1 month ago
Everyone talks about judging but isn't that what your doing? Listen to his preaching for one month one month and it will change your life. Your perceptions sometime will mislead you down the wrong path listen to your heart and it will guide you to eternal salvation!
MrUbba23 2 months ago
Why is he poison? Because despite is laid back demeanor, he is very traditional in his view of te bible. Sinners don't want to hear the truth, that is why you view im as poison and "harsh." Repent people, ask for forgiveness and come to Christ. Only throug him is salvation possible. You want proof? Feeling the holy spirit in your life is more proof than any type of evidence or proof. Only those who have felt the Holy Spirit know what I am saying.
DannyBoy445593 2 months ago
@DannyBoy445593: There's nothing wrong with wanting proof, if you'd believe everything you hear in life on faith things would not go well. Wanting proof is reasonable. "Feeling the holy spirit in your life" does not count as proof. The mind is susceptible to hallucination, one needs something a little more tangible than feelings to go on when evaluating reality as anyone who's ever taken a mind altering drug, suffered a mental condition or had a high enough fever will tell you.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Not judging my friend, but OF COURSE THERE'S PROOF. The whole bible is historically legit and even scientific. The only problem with the last one is that many of them are atheist who denies to give God the credit for this X or Y reason. It's true there are a bunch of wackos in Christianity as there's also in other religions, including atheism. Because this guy Jones kill himselve and 698 people, should we blame for that to all atheists? Of course not!
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: I'm sorry friend but that is just not true. There are many many claims in the bible that are highly unscientific or historically incorrect. For example, the claim that jesus walked on water or that moses parted the red seas, those things go against everything we know today about physics. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the supposed eyewitness accounts of bronzeage goat-herders doesn't really cut it. Show me verifiable scientific proof and I'll believe you.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 About Jesus, there's an explanation, you and I know already. There's more than one eyewitnessed registered. If you chose to not believe, then who's wrong? See what I mean? And for Moses, there's two: The one just mentioned just now and also, scientist recreate that event already. They even gave it a name and how it happens. I think it was on NatGeo months ago... All the puzzle pieces fit. Also, sorry to say, but science will never proof everything that happens in the world.
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: I'm not sure that you've grasped the concept of scientific evidence. If you knew what the "scientific method" was you'd know that the supposed eye-witness accounts of the bible wouldn't suffice, not matter how numerous they were. Even in modern day court cases eyewitness accounts are seen as very weak forms of evidence since people are prone to make any number of errors or false assumptions, even when it comes to mundane matters. So sorry, come up with better evidence.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Alright and you are right, I probably don't know too much of the "method" as you say. But here's the thing, are you saying that the 500 people (Including followers and strangers) that saw Jesus raising from the death, talk to him and saw him abandon earth and such were all part of a massive delirium event? Twelve people may commit an error, but 500?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Well look, neither you nore I was there when it happened. That means we have to go by the claims in the bible. As far as I understand, the bible has had various authors and has been translated in various languages. It's had parts removed etc. The people who supposedly saw Jesus return were not still around when the bible was written so even there they'd had to go by thirdhand accounts (right?). What's to say that those 500 people even existed? There are too many holes...
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Indeed. However, as years go by, they have been founding the originals script from all those authors, not the translated ones. I think the one they were missing only was Matthew, though I think they already found it few years ago. Bible really is an compilation of scriptures by several God inspired authors. Matt I think was who wrote that, not with the help of anyone but himself. The Gospel of Matthew is quite like a book/diary if we can call it like that from him....
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 Sure, certainly there was several things that Matthew learned or was told before he became an disciple like the born and such. But those things are already confirmed in other books besides that. However the return to mountain where he left, he was already with the other disciples when he along the 500 saw it. As far as I know the only books with serious holes in it are those like Esther 2, Tobia and the rest of the 12. But neither of those are considered real God inspired scriptures.
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 In short, I am not a theologician or anything like that, those may know more than both of us about the process. I just read the books, articles and preaches about it :)... I can only say for years, people have been trying to say the bible has holes and all them fails even when they come up with lies. There's this famous journalist called Lee Strobel who at first was trying to do that and in the process couldn't find anything and became Christian, so yeah... those things keep me wonder...
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 And for closing, sorry if I took too much of your time in this. Please don't consider it an attack or offense, just a friendly question here, question there debate :)... There has been news that scientists are trying to prove wrong or right the existence of a soul in all humans being. I read it in an article long time ago, there might be a soul indeed in all of us. Personally ask you: Where then it goes? If there's no heaven or hell, do they stay on earth as ghosts walking among us?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Well,personally I don't believe in the existance of souls. I've allways thought that such believes go hand in hand with the belief in heaven/hell. I like to think of like this. When I die my body will decompose and my conscience will enter the same state as it had before I was born, I guess you'd call it nothingness. Now I know some may concider that a depressing thought but not me, since my conscience wont be around for me to know any better. :)
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Well, in that case there's not too much to speak right? If you don't believe in soul, then telling you all about the soul such might be a waste. But just wanted to bring it to the table, science is proving it and even in one experiment they recorded in a computer, analyzing a dead body or something like that and saw something they believe is the soul. But now, if you want nothingless be sure to avoid Dan Cook or he will kill you. You can look for it here on Youtube ;)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Really? They've managed to recreate the parting of the red seas by way of invoking a all powerful supernatural entity? Who were these scientists, how come they're not pumping out this story 24/7 on the news, I mean if this was indeed true and not a hoax it would be the greatest feat in scientific history! So where are the peer-rewied papers etc? I mean why bother with Noble prizes for petty discoveries such as the accelerating expansion of the Universe when you can you've got this?
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Oh yeah! They did! And sure they did, they use all powerful supernatural entity: they used a computer and a software ;)... Well, you didn't knew about until now, probably you were busy doing something that day, but it was broadcasted in channels like NatGeo and Discovery Channel, etc., I think it was last year. But yeah, they prove it using modern science leaving us now with "God caused the event" OR "Moses and his millions were reeeeeeeally lucky".
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: "science will never proof everything that happens in the world"
That may indeed be true, but I don't see how that matters. Of all the things we have proved thus far has been thru science. Everything we will ever know about the world will be thanks to science. Science and ONLY science can explain the physical world to us. Those things that science can't explain will remain unexplainable. Claiming that "God did it" proves nothing.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Unfourtanely my friend, your ONLY has a flaw as before we had science, people already proved things. I mean, people got insane when they discover the world didn't ended in the Old World. However, Isaiah wrote about it thousands of years ago. What's your theory about it? Did he took a ship before columbus and discovered America? As there are "errors" in the Bible, there are quite HUGE revelations in it. Science and didn't knew about. See that's one of things that keeps me awake.. the How?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Sure, if you can prove something then science exists. Therefore there can be no "before sicence existed" :)
That passage in Isaiah does't prove anything, it's just colorful language. The passage says something about "he sits enthroned above the circle of the earth". Well, the earth is not a circle, it's a sphere. Isaiah could just as well have been talking about a disk, ie a flat earth. The passage also mentions the four corners of the earth. Does that mean the earth is square?
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Science always existed, only back then was called magic and was attached to religion. So we can say religious people (Pagans mostly) where the first scientists. Also, geography, history and those subjects are also a type of science. So really I don't hate science and Christians really don't hate science. Know more about the universe is good. You can say what we hate is people trying to take the credit to God for it. That's I am pretty sure all my brothers will agree with me.
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: True, much of early science came about thru people experementing and not really knowing waht they were doing. Alchemy for instance. And althou some early scientists were also religious people (say monks) it is important to note that the church has a long long history of disrupting scientific progress, and persecuting men of science because they were seen as heretics. I think it's arrogant to give God credit for the work of scientists, they did the work so they deserve the credit.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 About the disrupting, come on, let's face it, any person out of catholic beliefs or that tried to steal their kingdoms and money, etc. was really a non-living human being. If you check the history, you would see we the protestants were all killed too for same "heretics". I am one of those people really believe catholic once was a great group of people, but then messed up BADLY, deep into the under, under, under, underground...
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 I don't know if you have heard of the imagus dei (I think that's how you write it). Everyone, believers or not has that. If you don't know look and do research about it, Bible mention it alot. But that's what provide us with all the talents, gifts and such we have. So is not arrogant, he really deserves it. Now as He wrote, He's not really expecting everyone, especially people that don't believe in him, does it. So yeah, I think "arrogance" isn't the proper word :)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 C'mon, really? You don't know what means the four corners of the earth? North, South, East and West? :)... As I always correct me if I am wrong, but a sphere is not necessarily a circle but it looks almost like a shape of a circle. I mean, the globe looks to me like a circle, it may have his differences in some point, but it looks like it. Probably back then they didn't knew the "sphere" word, so they call it circle. I mean, that's a possibility too, am I right?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Of course I know what the four corners of the earth refers to, I was just trying to illustrate a point :) You are willing to rationalize about the part that mentions the circle so that it will fit with our current understanding of the world, but you disregard the other parts because as we know they are allegorical. What is to say that the part about the circle isn't an allegory? The passage is far too vauge to count as proof of anything.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Then we close this subject with you believing can be an allegory and, it could, as it could not. Once again, we were not with Isaiah, I believe he was not a wacko doing scenes during the war as activist or something, reading his book you need to accept all his predictions turned out to be truth allegorically or not. From Israel under the hands of the enemy and the enemy itself to other things. ;)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 Also almost, if not everything all does prophets prophetized turned out to happen. From Christ specifically born, life, family, death to Israel and such to Israel situation and countries surrounding situation. Sure, you can argue with other characters like famous Nostradamus. But I don't know you, but there's way too much coincidence, don't you think?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: But those accounts were written down after the bible right? That kind of kills the creadbility doesn't it? I think the mind is programmed to see patterns, that is why some people are so prone to interpret these "prophesies" as fitting in with a partiqular event. Nostradamous talked about flying pigmen, could that be modern day fighter pilots with their mask on? Well, if you have a great imagination maybe :)
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Prophets books and old testament stuff? Remember the pharisees had all those books and stuff with them before Jesus even came. Old testament is older than new, much older. Old testament is also more like an history book with God's inspirations and such. But then it comes out the same question, Christ fulfilled all the prophecies including like the ones like how he borns, where he borns, the way he dies, what happens in the cross, etc. exactly as it was told...
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 It's true just like other "mesiah" out there, he could take some stuff and follow it. But things like when the soldiers played with his cloth and such. He couldn't planned that his own, as we read the Gospels, we can be 100% sure he was not going to receive help from neither of them. So yeah, that makes you think... :)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 About smy last statement, here's an example. According to the, if not mistaken, cause and effect: There was absolutely nothing in the universe. No particles or such thing because if there was, where did they came from? So, nothing, nothing at all. How it happens all the Big Bang, etc.? As all the quimics and such must have come from some place, etc. How it happens? See, it's really unlogical..See what I mean?... But you believe it, why? ;)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: The concenus is that the universe sprang into exsisence as a "singularity". As of yet scientists know very little about singularities, partly because they exist in the core of black holes where conventional laws of physics do not apply. Science has a proven trackrecord, that is why I'm convinced that if we ever uncover the truth about the creation of the universe it will be thru science. All the great minds in recent history point to the same conclusion, from Einstein to Hawkings.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 My one problem with Hawkings, Dawkins, Einstein and all those people is that they are, as far as I know, pretty much one-road type of person. If you can prove me wrong, and you are all welcome, they are all not so God enthusiast people, and my belief is THAT may affect their points of view. Get what I mean? As for Christianity, I am quite a analytic person. I don't eat immediately every word that gets into my ears....
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: Well, Dawkings is not a great fan no. But Einstein was once a very devout Jew. He lost his faith later thou and became agnostic but I don't think he was really hostile towards religion. I don't think Hawkings is very outspoken against religion either, but I'm not 100% sure. Whatever the case their arguments/proofs are separate from their personal beliefs. That is to say the evidence stands on it's own feet.
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 Well, I don't know Dawkings heart and neither do you. So you can't say his point of view isn't affected with his beliefs, especially when his actions and the stuff he does, proof the opposite. "God doesn't exist" in all the busses in the UK? What does it tell you that? I mean that's quite agressive for someone that doesn't put his beliefs. What if instead of God it was a message against homosexuality or such. Oh no! Everyone would call him a hater, etc. See what I mean? :)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@noibn2 I turned then into files, cards, you put the name. I then put then on the table and do my research from Christian to out of Christianity people. Then I put then together and begin the research. I will get my doubts and other people argument (Like yours), throw it to the other party and see what they have to say until I get an approximate fact. Don't get me wrong is not lack of faith or anything, that's my personal way to be. However, great minds they are not so that way. Get what I mean?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV: What I find funny however, is the blatant hypocrisy you display in your question. You say that it is unlogical for something to come out of nothing (not my actual belief thou, more like your straw man argument). But that is exactly what you belive. So if nothing can come from nothing where did God come from? If he created the universe, then who created him? And if you say that God does not need a creator then why argue that the universe needs one? Talk about unlogical...
noibn2 2 months ago
@noibn2 5 paragraphs hehhe, so many to respond. Ok, so let's go with this one. I apologies for acussing you of something, at least you state here, you don't believe and for any wrong interpretation. But here's the thing, your argument quite sounds same as mine but in reverse. Alright, if it's not unlogical to believe in theories, then why it is believe in God? If the universe didn't need a creator, why God should? Are scientists and Christians wasting our time fighting each other?
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
i was raised in a christian family and my parents are still bigtime christians. the older i got the more i realized the whole church thing is just not for me. never felt more uncomfortable around people than i did in church. its just the blind leading the blind, and hypocritical acts galore.
rtask 3 months ago
@rtask That's your opinion my friend. There's true that there are a bunch of "christians", especially now in days. But not for that you need to point us all. Because your family, your church and all that surrounds you might be "ill spirit christians", it doesn't mean we are all the same. Maybe you haven't met the truly christians, a real healthy church OR maybe you weren't meant to be saved. I really hope is the first thing and not the second ;)... Blessings!
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
Calvinist? That would explain that arrogant, a-holey aspect to his personality (LOL). I'll get over it, though.
mowriter 3 months ago
@mowriter Are you calling Paul a arrogant, a-holey? Dude, dudette, dawg... One of the greatest ministers, missionaries and bible characters is Paul and you are telling he is wrong because he believed in predestination? Is in the book of Romanos, you know? Also, if everyone is meant to be saved, why is people going to hell? You must be either a luthorean, wesley people or an atheist... Just ask yourself those question above :)... Blessings!
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV : I'm calling Mark "a-holey," meaning not quite a full on A-hole, but projecting that kind of arrogant, know-it-all persona I've experienced in many a Calvinist advocate.
Like I said, I'll GET OVER IT (LOL).
As for Paul? That's your putting Calvins words in Pauls mouth. The case for Paul advocating Calvinism is COMPELLING, I agree. I wouldn't call it air-tight, though, and I'm comfortable with the ambiguity.
And to be clear: MUCH respect to Paul, Calvin, and yourself :-)
mowriter 2 months ago
@mowriter I don't know about Mark as I don't belong to his church and quite new listening to his preach. If you see, never tried to protect him or anything as I honesty don't know him. I don't consider myself calvinist. I am from those Christians that read, study and learn through the holy spirit what they try to say. The John 3:16 verse and Paul in Rome both fits perfectly. Remember Bible is a book, and as any other book you must read the whole thing to understand, not a small part :)... Bless!
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
every person is entitled to their own beliefs. So what.. some people think waiting for that one person is a special gift.. a gift to only be shared with one being.. Why is that upsetting? They aren't telling you how to live your life, just stating what they believe.. And calling him poison for his belief, that's judgment as well. Get off your soap box, every person is aloud to believe what they want. The beauty is, you don't have to listen.
mztadobolina 3 months ago
@mztadobolina It is true. You can believe whatever, but whatever would not save you ;)... There's registered papers that says God, Christians and Jewish God, Jehova, that man up there in heaven came first. Even if the Eden wasn't real, Abel and Cain murder everyone knows is the first homocide in history and there's ALOT proof, God is real and the others, are merely, simple copies... The beauty is, that God will not point you with a gun, you can reject or follow him. It's you choise ;)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
Driscoll is poison. It is the right of every consenting adult to have sex with another consenting adult, whether they are married, single, heterosexual or homosexual. No one has the right to judge or interfere, especially the non existent sadist tyrant, god of the Bible, Koran and Torah.
roac7777 3 months ago
@roac7777 : no ones denying anyone can do anything they want. Driscoll is advocating a BETTER way, one that advances the human spirit rather than feeding off loneliness, desperation, or acting out from prior molestation.
mowriter 3 months ago
@mowriter Not so, Driscoll's way is the worst path anyone can go down. He is poison.
roac7777 3 months ago
@roac7777 Where are the applauses? C'mon!... Just because you are angry, maybe pissed with God. Probably you have no may have no self control, and only wants to fornicate... that doesn't mean you are right. It probably means that you a free spirit people. You may be an anarchist... Plus, I see you say god and not God, because my God isn't a sadist tyrant as you say. There's people that understands the Bible, and then there's people like you that does the opposite :)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
@ChriRockTV I suggest you read your Bible properly, your god does not exist, but if he did then he is guilty of genocide, infanticide, homophobia, condones rape and murder and is sadistic.
roac7777 2 months ago
ok, so he doesn't normally look that crazy. he's crazy, but not that crazy:)
chillb3ats 4 months ago
@chrisophilussteenhof I disagree with what he and others say about Jesus Christ. I don't buy into that shit, no thank you!!
RealTime88 4 months ago
@chrisophilussteenhof That's because faith is bullshit.
RealTime88 4 months ago
man this man is amazing. even the way he doesn't shoot the interviewer right away when he asks him on whether he has to keep his pride in check, but actually comes clean and just is honest. I personally think he is someone i need to look up too.
annhalaseh 4 months ago
it's so clear that they picked clips of him yelling to make him seem crazy.
IHaveDimensia 4 months ago
hipsters and church? ugh. two things the world needs less of.
kuwinsitall 4 months ago
@kuwinsitall No kidding.
RealTime88 4 months ago
haha hipster? he looks like a dirtbike mechanic from socal
comptonasshanko 4 months ago 10
So let me get this straight, he believes that he and others like him have been preordained from the beginning of time to be saved and taken up into heaven while the majority of humanity will perish in eternal flames having no say in the matter whatsoever having essentially been created for the sole purpose of being tormented. So clearly he's spewing out the highest order of nonsense, but he seems like a likeable guy. That's the problem. Too much faith in the pews and not enough thinking.
mattattack007 5 months ago
@mattattack007 He, me or anybody else knows how many people are going to be saved or not. But let me just clear this for you, God makes you decide, He doesn't point you with a gun. Now, if the "majority" as you say, decides to deny Him is not His fault. That being said, what's better: All Humanity damned or only the "Majority"? Learn, think out of the box and then you may input your thoughts... Just a friendly advice :)
ChriRockTV 2 months ago
A lot of what I think he says and the way he says it helps me, to focus in on my areas of issue. I am thinking of the responsibilities of being a man. I might not agree with a lot of what he says on certain subjects, and maybe he drinks too much red bull. He is no Yeshua and none of us are but at least he's striving to improve the culture, and to fix families. HalleluYah
peacewalker7 6 months ago
they made it sound like pure marketing and demagoguery. but i guess i can't expect them to understand the wooing power of the spirit throughout the gospel...
sinclaircj 6 months ago 9
I wish Nightline didnt take some of the sex talk out of context. I don't even go to his church, but Mark Driscoll is not all liberal "let's talk about sex to everyone" kinda guy. He has those messages for adults only. It is real. You will either get your idea of sex from the media or from a Bible based church. I chose to get my insight from Jesus through a Bible based church.
(high five)
CindyMae11 6 months ago
Was it just in my mind or was the language the reporter was using intentionally trying to put Mark Driscoll and the church in a bad light?
He probably talks about sex so much because there are so many young adults who attend his church. And he answers questions specifically, such as topics like masturbation and sleep overs, without being too explicit, which I think is admirable. A little bit too pentecostal at times for me but I think his theology is preally good (compared to most).
JordanRossMackenzie 6 months ago
When I hear a Nightline reporter use the word "hipster" I will never utter it again.
jimmykinkade 6 months ago
He's portrayed badly here I think. I've only watched a few of his sermons on YouTube recently, but from what I've seen he's a true man of God. God bless him.
DrSpunkRansom 6 months ago 2
Wow their making him look so bad
Jstrelts 6 months ago
The fact that his own wife is embarrassed to talk about such things obviously does nothing to affect you who heartily approve of talking about sexual positions from the pulpit. The bible says that you are near going past all senses. But, you would rather have your ears tickle than believe the truth. How about reading the bible for yourselves? Now there's a novel idea...
Wunji1 6 months ago
Feel free to thumbs up all these comments in support of Mark. No one has said that talking about sex is bad in the church. However, and I like the way the ISV says it in Eph. 5:4 "Obscene, flippant, or vulgar talk is totally inappropriate. Instead, let there be thanksgiving." To talk about masturbation and then sacrilegiously quote Ecc. and the hand is incredibly flippant. So, thumbs up to all the carnal minds out there who simply reject the authority of scripture in their postmodernism.
Wunji1 6 months ago
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delta4000 7 months ago
i`m shamed to be a driscoll
delta4000 7 months ago
Praise God!
ThisIDig 7 months ago
If they call him "Hipster" one more time...
WorshipBassist 7 months ago
Is that Disco Driscoll ?
ijkoool69 8 months ago
Hey Mark F**k you. something you said has mentally fucking tortured me for weeks. Nothing good came of it. Just complete bullshit. I don't live all that far from Mars Hill, within 5 months I'm coming to one of your sermons and I'm gonna cuss you out in the middle of it. It's only what you deserve for being a self righteous sob.
sardonictruth17 8 months ago
@sardonictruth17 unless of course if I get an apology!
sardonictruth17 8 months ago
@sardonictruth17 Dude what was it that he said that got you so angry
samsonsjawbone 7 months ago
@sardonictruth17
What are you talking about.
brajamtho757 5 months ago
I believe this guy is meeting people right where they are....folks need to hear the truth about things that we deal with everyday. The word says that Gods people perish for lack of knowledge and he's answering some very tough questions that people need to know the truth to.
40DawnM 8 months ago
So God saves us from his own punishment? What can a baby do to deserve eternal damnation?
PurpleShades1 9 months ago
How could Mark use a homophobic slur to describe Jesus?
PurpleShades1 9 months ago
I don't know who likes this vid, but to me, the report seems pretty biased and edited in such a way that makes driscoll seem like an outrageous extremist...in a bad way. The reporter's tone of voice is sardonic and for those who haven't heard or watched Driscoll's sermons, they'd be pretty turned off from watching this. Moreover, the focus is put on Driscoll himself which obviously isn't the main point - the message is to spread the news of Jesus Christ and to confirm the existence of God.
clawd 9 months ago 2
@clawd so so true. I think this report makes him out to be an always screaming, radical, Christian. Which he is NOT at all.
jamcow3 8 months ago 2
GODS WARRIORS ARE HEAR TO AFFLICT THE COMFORTED, NOT COMFORT THE AFFLICTED......... YOUR SELF RIGHTEOUS PATHS WILL LEAD TO YOUR ETERNAL DEMISE!!!!
jw80malibu 10 months ago
THE BLOOD OF CHRIST WILL BE PREACHED!!!! THIS IS A NEW AGE AND GOD IS RAISING UP NEW WARRIORS, MANY OF YOU DENIED HIS CALLING UNTO YOU AND HE HAS GONE AND DELIVERED PEOPLE LIKE MARK DRISCOLL, KATIE SOUZA, AND NATHAN MORRIS. HOW DARE ANY CHRISTIAN TO DOWN TALK THESE PEOPLE. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU BROUGHT TO CHRIST? THE TIME IS NEAR AND CHRIST IS DONE PLAYING. IF MARK DRISCOLL OFFENDS YOU IT'S NOT BECAUSE HE'S A BAD PERSON IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE A SINNER AND THE HOLY SPIRIT IS CAUSING CONVICTION.
jw80malibu 10 months ago
His sermons are good but it was a let down to hear he believes we are all predetermined. That isn't so.
cheechaneekla11 10 months ago
@cheechaneekla11 Why do you say that is not so?
FearCanDriveStick 9 months ago
@FearCanDriveStick I just don't believe that. It goes against my beliefs and all that I am learning about and pretty much the Bible.
cheechaneekla11 9 months ago
@cheechaneekla11 Hmm. Thats interesting. I guess we are all entitled to our own opinions. Personally I have read multiple books and articles on Predestination (also called Divine Election) and read books and articles on free will type thought. I find it a very interesting subject. Right now i am leaning toward Predestination. That is what I have found the bible to teach. But like I said if you believe differently thats fine. I'm not here to start and argument though. But I enjoy talking about it
FearCanDriveStick 9 months ago
@cheechaneekla11 I do enjoy talking about it though!
FearCanDriveStick 9 months ago
@FearCanDriveStick That to me just goes against the WHOLE reason Christ came and died. I mean if only a certain amount of people were going to Heaven then why bother sending him in the first place. Why not just have those people keep making sacrifices or whatever. In the Bible it says Christ came for Jews and Gentiles (that being everyone else that is not Jewish) I just don't see how a God that cares that much would do that.
cheechaneekla11 9 months ago
@FearCanDriveStick He can see the expanse of our lives because he lives outside of time, we are subjected to time and are only allowed to view it a second at a time whereas God knows all and sees all. We have the choice to follow him or not. It kinda defeats the purpose of the church and the scripture GO and make disciples of all the nations why would he say that if we are predetermined?
cheechaneekla11 9 months ago
@cheechaneekla11 I dont really have enough space to type out an answer for everyone of the questions about predestination. If you are open about learning more about predestination and all that jazz that comes with it let me know. I could send you to some articles and a book or two.
FearCanDriveStick 9 months ago
@FearCanDriveStick You can give me the names of them I can look them up. I'm not saying you're wrong in no sense so please please don't feel that way. I was just stating my viewpoint. But I would like to read what people are saying.
cheechaneekla11 9 months ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus what in the world are you smokin? Pastor Mark is a man of God.
jhansen1441 11 months ago 2
Mark Driscoll is a tool. Religion is a failure.
openuptheireyes 11 months ago
@openuptheireyes I agree. It stops critical thinking for one thing.
RealTime88 9 months ago
He hardly yells as much. but it grabs the attention of non believers with a chip on their shoulder. lol
bigguy2128 11 months ago
"Wise men neither fall in love or take a dislike at first sight, but still the first impression is always a great thing even with them; and as to those weaker brethren who are not wise, a good appearance is half the battle."
~Charles H. Spurgeon
brennan2185 11 months ago
Why go the sexually degenerate Bible for sexual guidance. The Bible commands the death of women who aren't virgins on their wedding night, and commands genital mutilation of infant males. The Bible is sexually criminal.
brajamtho757 1 year ago
@brajamtho757 Jesus fulfilled God's law so that we wouldn't have to do that to people. so your statement is false. Ask a Jew though, this may be true for them according to the Law which they still follow, because they don't believe in Jesus.
bigguy2128 11 months ago
@bigguy2128
Doesn't matter. The bottom line is it was done to people at one time. At no time have such things been just. At any time, they are proof that the Bible is not of a good god, most likely not of any god, but uncivilized man.
brajamtho757 11 months ago
hahah. He is a great speaker and a Christian with clear integrity, but they sure picked random clips to make him look crazy at the beginning haha.
autumnschild 1 year ago
He speaks the true word of God right out of the bible.
Sure he brings up sex when he is asked but it is because Christians are curious!!
In this day and age sex is everywhere and PEOPLE NEED KNOWLEGE of what is right in gods eyes.
Mark does a great job of helping married people with keeping their love through Christ and eachother strong. HE CONDEMNS SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE LIKE IT IS SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE!
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
AtomicLOL 1 year ago
@AtomicLOL IMO if your so curious go have sex. There is no better substitute than experience. I think it is wrong to get married so you can enjoy sex. Marriage should be between two people who love each other enough to stay together. Sex helps build that bond. BTW did you know marriage is hardly spoken in the bible? Wasn't it Jesus who said, don't make any oaths? Let your yes be yes and your no be no something like that?
souldude81 1 year ago
@souldude81 Lol how many people do you think are having sex and staying together? your living in fantasy land. that's an excuse that we have all used. "we'll i really love her ... blah blah blah" then bam you meet someone new and move on.
it kills the whole purpose because by the time your actually getting married to that one true one that will be your other half forever you have already had 10-20 sexual partners?
who wants someone thats been used up and tossed around as the mother of
AtomicLOL 1 year ago
@AtomicLOL True but would you rather wait tell your married to find out that you are not compatible with some one? Having sex is more harmless then marrying some and ending up unhappy. That leads to worse things like infidility and divorce. Love and sex are two separate things. Being with one person is all fine and dandy but most people don't have the mental constitution to stay faithful.
souldude81 1 year ago
@souldude81 Ok so we've heard your opinion. Let's see what the Bible says..
I Cor. 6:18 "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."
I Cor. 10:8 "Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand."
Hebrews 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."
Maybe it isn't so harmless after all.
natkra90 1 year ago
@souldude81 ..your children
AtomicLOL 1 year ago
@AtomicLOL Only if you view sex as dirty. You can have multiple partners and still be safe as long as you practice safe sex. A good skill to learn. Now I am not talking about one night stands where there is a risk, but I think it's good to have some experience under your belt. I personally haven't dated anyone who had 20 or more partners but I can say for myself I wouldn't judge their character based on that. Being a good mother has no relation to how many people you slept with.
souldude81 1 year ago
Night line definatly edited this video to make mark look way more edgy and hip than he really is. PLEASE PEOPLE as true Christians before you Critizise just listen to one of his podcasts. I was also judging him until i tuned into a random podcast and i must say that he is really preaching FROM THE HEART and with SOUL! unlike catholic brainwashing of same thing different day.
AtomicLOL 1 year ago
The start of this video - mark says "your being saved, your being born again". You can tell this false teacher is reading from corrupt modern bible. "BEING SAVED"?? No you either ARE saved or NOT saved. Driscoll and his calvinist god continue leading ppl astray.
TheKJVberean 1 year ago
@TheKJVberean On a different note, this is not crucial for salvation! It's not something we should divide over. If we are followers of Christ, why should it even matter if it's predestined or not, and if we have free will or not? There are holes in both calvinist and armenian theology, & we won't understand it all until glory. God is much greater than I, & his plan is perfect. The human brain can't comprehend how God can be both sovereign & give us free will. that & the trinity r too complex
ajstwins28 11 months ago
Mark is calvinist which is false doctrine, mark dresses hippish, he is modern and appeases many bc of the way he presents himself and communicates and most of all bc of the gospel he preaches. Just bc he mentions Jesus doesnt make it right. If todays church was preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ then it wouldnt be accepted like it is today. Mark is a false teacher hands down. the church needs to get back to preaching Jesus Christ and Him crusified. marks gospel is a different gospel.
TheKJVberean 1 year ago
@TheKJVberean Than you should go on illbehonest
theshakter 1 year ago
@TheKJVberean If Calvinist doctrine is wrong, then what is right? Do you not believe that God is in control? Have you actually heard anything of mark driscoll other than this video? He DOES preach the Gospel. He preaches on Christ crucified! And why wouldn't the Gospel be accepted? It's the best news in the world! It sells itself, if u understand it. It's by corruption of the Gospel, adding works to it, and rules that turns people away. The Gospel is the most freeing news in the world.
ajstwins28 11 months ago 3
@ajstwins28 AMEN!!
jhansen1441 11 months ago
When a Pastor is known as "cool" this is bad. I will just read the bible for myself and spend my time with God. I don't need to be entertained by a pastor.
noformstyle 1 year ago
@noformstyle Why should church be miserable? Is it supposed to be a place where we can be bored for an hour? NO! This is about expanding the kingdom, and reaching unbelievers through "cool" church is a great way to evangelize. Look at the bigger picture. And it's not just entertainment, he really has good things to say. That's why people come back to him every sunday.
ajstwins28 11 months ago
wow. people are painting a much different perspective of this guy in the media. I thought he was some hipster, liberal-theology, emergent pushing fringe guy.
stucerocks 1 year ago
This pastor is cool!
boatstaylor 1 year ago
Know what I LOVE about Mark Driscoll?? He brings people into the church to listen to the word that would have never stepped foot in a church or come to know Jesus otherwise....now THAT, my friends, is a man of GOD. The Lord is using you mightily, Pastor Mark!!!
shellibelli72 1 year ago 3
eugh.... it makes me cringe everytime the reporter mentions 'organised religion'... IT ISN'T!! He obviously hasn't seen Mark preach his Jesus vs Religion sermons...
sjames1066 1 year ago 25
Even Christians are starting to see that sex sells. Let's talk about sex to sell Jesus, Amen! God bless Christian America!
souldude81 1 year ago
@souldude81 You are a retard. So just because we are Christian we should just shut sex completely out of our lives?
Mark answers questions of kids, and married people on sex, so what?
people need to know the truth. THAT SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS A SIN IN GODS EYES.
To the married people they have made their promise to eachother in front of god, they have the right to be fruitful and multiply.
AtomicLOL 1 year ago
@AtomicLOL Ummm no. What do I care if you talk about sex or not? I think everyone should talk about it. The thing is people who tend to be sexually repressed obsess about sex which is something altogether different. Alot of Christians are sexually repressed and it comes out either in a positive way or negative way. However it must be said that in the bible, sex was a very small topic on Jesus's agenda. The biggest message stated in the gospels is reformation. BTW nice display of grace.
souldude81 1 year ago
I love pastor Mark. As a guy who views religion as full of hypocrites, this man is at least honest, funny and passionate. He has