yes, given the fact the oldest shakuhachi record from both countries and the facts you've newly discovered, i SAID we can HYPOTHESIZE that even the rest of "unknown" flutes are also very much likely come from baekjae of korea, before tang of china. of course, anything "unknown" should be further studied, but it's your research, not mine. also, the reason why no further research is not being done is that they (japanese government) already know the answer to a lot of "unknowns" already.
How many times have I said the same thing to you up to now?
I said the following things many times.
"The record only proves 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660. Therefore, the record doesn't prove the shakuhachi of Prince who was alive in 574-622 came from Baekje.".
And you answered, "Your homework".
It is homework, because NOBODY KNOWS an answer, isn't it?
Perhaps, we will have to do such a ridiculous discussion eternally. I am sorry, I became tired.
By the way, I confirm "korea" to you, because I was pointed out by somebody. You asked, "those shakuhachi were from korea, others unknown". And I thought that "korea" meant Baekje, and I answered "yes".
it depends on your question. your posts are all over the place and even i am having a hard time to catch up. i repeatedly asked you not to do this. i asked you to either PM me or try to reduce your posts here into one or two. if you are not able to condense your thoughts into one and make logical questions or conclusions, yet spread your "isms" here and there, i will not tolerate this. limit your post to one at a time or i will have to block you.
Please don't make a mistake. I am not asking the reason that you judged that the shakuhachi came from Baekje. I am asking the reason that you judged that it didn't come from China.
I am verifying "The flute is not from china" that you said. At that time, the way of the cultures to Japan was China and the Korean Peninsura. However, you said that the Prince's shakuhachi didn't come from China.
Please show me grounds that you judged that the shakuhachi didn't come from China.
"Please show me grounds that you judged that the shakuhachi didn't come from China."
based on your research, i further concluded that shakuhachi has IN FACT come from korea. as you can simply find in the wiki, you may say that it came to japan from china via korea.
The jade is mined only in Japan, Myanmar, and Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region in Asia. Moreover, I asked, "is there evidence to prove Baekje had the technology that processes the white jade?", and you answered, "jades were very common in tombs even in 2nd BC silla artifacts.". They are magatamas made of the jade, aren't they?
The possibility that the shakuhachi made of white jade was made in Baekje is extremely low.
You said that Prince's shakuhachi came from not China but Baekje. The reasons are as follows.
1."baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS"
2."the flute is not from china"
3."well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan"
I am verifying the third reason. If white jade had not been mined in Korea, and there was no technology that processed it, It means that the shakuhachi made of white jade wasn't made in Baekje.
"the shakuhachi made of white jade wasn't made in Baekje."
illogical. if white jades couldn't be mined in korea, they can simply import from anywhere in the world. they even imported glasses from persia even before that time, as you can find in the tombs of silla. btw, yes, whites jades are one of common objects that you can find in the tombs, especially during that time.
you had said, "given the fact that the flute is not from china". And I answered, "There are 9 shakuhachis at that time in Japan. It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje. However, it is unknown whether 5 shakuhachis came from China or Korea.".
Well, I offer you information for 5 shakuhachis of unidentified. 3 shakuhachis are made from bamboo, and others are made from a stone and a ivory.
"Baekje had the technology that processes the white jade?"
lol, just because "japan" didn't, that doesn't mean korean didn't either. yes, i am certain that they had "the technology." you may find this in your own ancient tombs from various artifacts from korea even before 5 or 6 AD. jades were very common in tombs even in 2nd BC silla artifacts. you are only degrading yourself with your ignorance and your futile effort that the piece of bamboo has nothing to do with korea. lol.
yes, it's from korea. despite what you don't want to believe, as you've found out, the your own official historical records prevail that it is in fact come from Korea.
in regards to your "unknown" stance, this is NOT scientific nor historic, since i can say the same thing. i can say that there are flutes in korea older than some chinese, but they are "unknown" of their origin. lol. in scientific and scholarly research, what you have said only brings a mockery. your history wannabe is "unknown." yes, you have "unknown" history now. you'd probably want to prefer that since you are so anti-korea. at least now, you won't say that it's from "tang."
Exactly. Why can he not know it's KNOWN now by him that Shakuhachi is undoubtedly from Korea until the "unknown" is known. I guess he's "unknown," until known. But how can he be known if he wants to be unknown. LoLz.
If so, then you are a Korean. Oh, wait, you are a Chinese. Do you know your ancestors? In your gene, there are more Korean blood than anywhere. No matter how much you want to shake off, you can't. This is why you want to be known as "unknown." BTW, if you changed your position, go and spread the news, other than just busying yourself swallowing your government propaganda. Hey, how about this? Can you agree at least now that the oldest "known" Shakuhachi is from Korea?
lol. what now. has bamboo been harvested in japan? what is your point other than changing subject again? in regards to your irrelevant question, yes, i believe any jade can be found in any country almost. if something is not found, yet it needed somehow, i am sure there are ways to import, as well as export. what other possibilities are you suggesting now?
please do not do this to others as well. this was very rude.
"Isn't there possibility that Baekje ordered custom-designed flutes to the workman in Tang Dynasty?"
of course, it's possible, but much unlikely. why? even i can make a decent flute. it's very unlikely that baekje, the cultural center at the time, would order out gifts from tang to send to japan. this is pushing it too far.
"so, what did you correct and what do you think your "insistence" is?"
I insisted that the shakuhachi had come from Tang Dynasty first. However, I found that my insistence was a mistake in my investigation. Therefore, I corrected the insistence as follows.
"Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
"your "insistence" was that shakuhachi was from tang, not korea."
1. "baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS"
Yes.
2. "the flute is not from china"
There are 9 shakuhachis at that time in Japan. It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje. However, it is unknown whether 5 shakuhachis came from China or Korea.
"given the fact that baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS, given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea."
However, you didn't change the insistence. I explained the relation at that time between China and Japan, and asked "Do you think that Japan and China didn't have relations at that time?". You answered, "nope. not as close as baeje of korea.".
I interpreted your answer without permission as follows.
"Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China"
However, I discovered the record that Prince Shotoku (574-622) had already played the shakuhachi. And, nobody knows where Prince's shakuhachi came from. Because the records don't remain.
In a word, grounds of your insistence were lost. Of course, my insistence was a mistake. Therefore, I corrected my insistence.
My insistence is "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
Well, let's look back on our discussion. I had the doubt in the explanation of the shakuhachi, and I asked grounds that it had come from Korea to you. You answered that information on Wiki was grounds.
And I search for 獻物帳, and I understood the following.
1.There is no 獻物帳 of Uija of Baekje (義慈王, ? - 660, r. 641 - 660) in Japan.
2.However, the records remain in 国家珍宝帳, and 4 shakuhachis from Baekje are kept in Shōsōin(正倉院).
it is not important to me either. if it were, i'd not play a "japanese flute." shakuhachi merely means 척팔. 처쿠 팔(하치) became 샤쿠하치. btw, thank you for noticing the "Korean soul." it's very much to do with "Han." also, fyi, i play what i feel, not what i was taught. that's the biggest difference. a breath of bamboo is beyond any politics or history. one last thing, this might interest you. the origin of flute, along with harps, is actually in the Bible, not china nor korea. ;)
oh.!! so my friend was correct! i talked about the roots of the word last week with my friend from ChunChon. he said about it. i told him that many of the Japanese who ilved in Korea during those invasion eras were from the northern japanese. they wore the traditional Gaeta shoes(unbalanced wooden-made), even in harsh Korean winters. so.. Koreans asked some southern Japanese who wore modern shoes "why they wear such stupid shoes in winter?" answered
please wiki. also, try to read the following. 샤쿠하치(尺八)는 관악기의 일종이다. 백제 의자왕이 일본에 보낸 헌물장(獻物帳)에 그 이름을 보인다. if you can't this excerpt, i guess that would be your problem. i suggest doing other research besides your textbooks made by your government. good luck.
there had been many cultural and political exchanges between Baekje and "japan" even before 4th century, until the fall of Baekje in the 7th century. a piece of bamboo is very likely traveled already prior to even 4th century. in any case, in regards to ancient 尺八, you can find what you are looking for in japan. it says, "나라(奈良)의 쇼소인(正倉院)이 소장(所藏)하고 있다."
it says that 正倉院 of 奈良 has been keeping it. also keep in mind that during japanese occupation in korea, many historical and cultural artifacts and documents have been intentionally and systematically destroyed. i won't be surprised about this one either. btw, i am not talking about some jewelry. i am talking about very deep cultural and historical ties between Baekje and japan at the time. this goes far more than some "tang" dynasty bamboo flute import via korea. it's in the blood.
I said to you, "There is no 獻物帳 sent by King of Baekje in 正倉院", and you answered, "It says that 正倉院 of 奈良 has been keeping it".....??? I can't understand.
And, what is the jewel? I didn't speak the jewel either.
Anyway, I understood that you believed information of WikiPedia and wrote that Shakuhachi had been brought by Korea. I question the person who wrote such information in WikiPedia. Thank you.
you are welcome. in regards to wiki, please note that it says "bamboo flute," not shakuhachi. if you really like to insist on your flute history starting from the tang dynasty, please go ahead. it would only show how little and short history of japanese bamboo flutes really is. in any case, if you prefer, you can be proud and happy that one of bamboo flutes was brought into japan from china, and that one happened to be the model of all japanese bamboo flutes. wow. okay, are you happy now? lol.
I want only to know which information of Japanese Wiki and S.Korean Wiki is right. Of course, if information on S.Korean Wiki is wrong, I demand a revision of the explanation of a Shakuhachi written here, but otherwise I apologize for having let you feel unpleasant.
Anyway, I questioned S.Korean Wiki on 獻物帳 of 正倉院 this morning. If an answer comes from a writer, I inform you. Please wait for a while.
no, please don't get me wrong. i don't get unpleasant for some misunderstanding. i get unpleasant when the history gets distorted intentionally. in regards to shakuhachi or any bamboo flutes for that matter, it's about one breath. in any case, good luck in your endeavors. just remember though, a piece of bamboo in japan just didn't start with some tang dynasty import. thank you for your patience. you are the first sensible japanese here, it seems.
Sorry for the delay in answering. Because the answer didn't come from the writer of Wiki, I investigated 獻物帳 by myself.
I understood the following from this investigation. 1.There is no 獻物帳 of Uija of Baekje (義慈王, ? - 660, r. 641 - 660) in Japan. 2.However, the records remain in 国家珍宝帳, and 4 shakuhachis from Baekje are kept in Shōsōin(正倉院).
Well, I have confirmed shakuhachis were told from Baekje in 641-660 years. However, it is written in 法隆寺古今目録抄 that Prince Shōtoku (574-622) played a shakuhachi. There had been already shakuhachi in Japan when it was brought by Baekje. And, no one knows where a shakuhachi that he had played came from.
maybe he made it? ;) listen. given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea. if you have made a flute before, you ought to know the complexity of the form.
It is not 獻物帳 but shakuhachi that is kept in Shōsōin. The explanation of S.Korean Wiki was wrong. In addition, I spent much time for investigation for a mistake of S.Korean Wiki. Why should I apologize to you?
as i said, it's kept in Shōsōin of Nara. you need to apology because you have presumed that the flute was from china, when IN FACT, as you've researched, it's from KOREA. you have merely accused of me lying when i said the flute was from korea via china. when you and your uneducated japanese friends come here and spew out what they've learned in their text and insinuate ethic hatred. for this you need to apology.
btw, your investigation was NOT about in search of truth, but rather in search of how you can get me "exposed," but as you can see, you are the one exposed. shame on you. stop the hatred.
I can't understand why you are angry. It is natural that the controversy occurs, if your explanation isn't corresponding to my knowledge. stop the hatred? When did I hate you?
I am only investigating whether your insistence is right. Is my behavior inconvenient for you?
so, shame on YOU. this is an angry expression to you? probably especially coming from a "korean?" you can't handle the truth and you are now blaming on others again?
" I didn't pick disputes"
yes, you did. that's why they came to your page. how old are you anyway?
"It is natural that the Japanese object for you"
you see. you are just proving my point further. YOU and other ignorant japanese object me. other 99% of japanese who have studied correctly don't.
I saw the video of "Geisha "Samurai song"" that the Italian woman had made. However, the tune of the video was Arirang. Therefore, I pointed out to her, "This is a tune of Korea".
Then, NocturneoftheFirefly protested against me , saying that "The cause of the mistake was not she but CD". And he disputed with me.
I found the comment of "Norimaki is inferior carbon copy of kimbap" that eastyunasea had written. I objected for him based on a historical fact. Then, drahn1275 came to my page and commented.
When did I pick a dispute with drahn1275?
Perhaps, assanee31 also read my comment, and came to my page.
"If the truth becomes clear, are you something embarrassed?"
no. are you? if no, why is it that you are embarrassed about the new "official" facts you've discovered about shakuhachi coming from baeje of korea. aren't you glad to know the WHOLE truth now or are you embarrassed? well, which one is it?
I am still embarrassed. Because you insisted, "Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China". I don't understand whether you say seriously or are joking.
read my posts. again, if you make up stuff like this, you'll be disputed. that's probably why they've been coming all the way to your channel to tell you to change the way you delude yourself and communicate that delusion with others. read exactly what i wrote and take it as it's written. do NOT add your own as if mine.
btw, either PM me or try to keep the thread into one. your post here and there only makes others confusing to follow and it's not so courteous to others. thanks.
Selftrance never said anything close to what your quote, "Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China." Where do you see it? I've been following this thread. Why are you making up things now? You said, Shakuhachi was from Tang Dynasty first, but now you found out from your official record that it's from Korea a lot earlier than that. Now you change subject with some "Prince." Are all Japanese like you? I am very disappointed. Please leave.
i agree. he said it's from tang. now, he learned it's from baekje of korea. at least he should withdraw his assertion that shakuhachi is from tang, now we have the facts that japanese government didn't teach their people, yet it's hard for him to swallow the new facts by changing the subject with some prince story. even the prince's flute, i gave him the hypothetical conclusion, yet he makes up quotes like that to defame me, which has been his intention from the beginning, only shamed himself.
I did and I agree with Selftrance. It's from Korea. Unless you are able to prove that your Prince's flute is from other than Korea, Shakuhachi was from Korea, according to the oldest record as you've newly discovered. In regards to your Prince's flute, I also think it's from Korea as well, given the circumstances during the time. It definitely did NOT only come from "Tang" as you so claimed in the beginning. In fact, the historical fact shows otherwise, as you've found out.
It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660. However, the record of the oldest shakuhachi in Japan is Prince Shotoku (574-622). Shotoku had already died when Uija became the king of Baekje.
Certainly, Japan was related to Baekje and Silla. However, Japan was related to China, too.
Do you want to say that Prince's shakuhachi (574-622) had come from Baekje, because 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660?
No. I want to say that Shakuhachi IS from Korea, unlike what you have asserted at first. Also, I want to say that your "Prince's flute" is irrelevant here. You have already admitted that you were wrong about it coming from China. Lastly, if you really want where your Prince's flute came from, ask your government to publicly open up the ancient graves for archeological studies. FYI, now I wonder what other things that the Japanese government didn't teach their people.
"the oldest in Japan. Why is Prince's shakuhachi irrelevant?"
It's irrelevant to your claim that Shakuhachi is from Tang Dynasty of China. You failed to provide any of your assertions. Therefore, your new assertion that some Prince's flute is older is also yet another claim. Moreover, once your Prince's flute tested to be Korean, you'll again bring some new things like some "jades." LoLz.
So, now the burden of proof is on YOU. Why are you asking to prove your point here? You have to bring in some historical and official record and facts to even discuss that some are "unknown." Until you can't prove your point, unfortunately for you, you have to follow the rules. You are NO exception.
LoLz. I think you should, "truth finder." BTW, FYI, it's already been done by scholars around the world, yet your government doesn't want to budge. I wonder, again. LoLz.
I have found the following in this investigation. 1. Four shakuhachis came from Baekje in 641-660. 2. The longest shakuhachi of them is 1 尺 8 寸in 唐小尺. 3. The oldest record of shakuhachi of Japan is written that Prince Shotoku (574-622) played in 法隆寺古今目録抄. 4. It is unknown where shakuhachi which Prince Shotoku played came from.
In a word, nobody can declare whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea. Please show grounds if you insist that it came from Korea.
1. i told you already it's from baekje, not from china.
2. and?
3. and?
4. it is YOUR homework to find out where that specific flute that your prince played. i already told you my conclusion based on facts. are you not reading my post?
You said "there had been very very close ties and relations between japan and baekje". Do you think that Japan and China didn't have relations at that time? Japan had sent China the missions even in Southern and Northern Dynasties.
I also judge that Price's shakuhachi came from Korea if Japan was related only to Korea. But Japan was related to not only Korea but also China.
I can't understand why you judge that it came from Korea.
The S.Korea government seems not to teach the relation at that time between China and Japan. And your history textbooks are written completely disregarding on 倭国伝 of 宋書 (Book of Song). Not me but you don't know the history.
Do you want to say that Prince's shakuhachi came from Korea because a Korea was closer Japan than China? Do you get drunk now?
And I said, "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea" many times.
i'll state this AGAIN. given the fact that baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS, given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea. do you want me to teach you in japanese?
excuse me? i hope you are joking. one more unfounded assertion will block you.
"China or Korea"
let me put this very simple for you. shakuhachi is from korea. unless you find another "official" record, it's still from korea. surely some flutes are from china and korea as well or any other country for that matter, but as you found out yourself, it's from korea.
You wrote "Shakuhachi means 1 "chuk" 8 "chi" in old Korean measurement.". Shakuhachi was invented in Tang Dynasty, and was 1 尺 8 寸 in 唐小尺. And modern shakuhachi became 1 尺 8 寸 in Japanese measuring system in Edo period.
What relation do shakuhachi and "old Korean measurement" have?
when i said "old Korean measurement," it simply means the measurement that they used at THAT time in old, ancient Korea, which also have contributed to the measuring system in "japan" at the time. the measuring system itself surely came from china, which korea and japan have adopted, just like the chinese characters.
but it's still not too important to.. me. maybe i'm so much an Asian minded. if it sounds something, that's enough. you know Japanese traditional measurements are very.. loose. even today, each bamboo flutes sound different. even professional-made ones. it's charming. when we play bamboo flutes with other players, each players try to fit with each others by changing breath angles and by fingerings. as much as possible. but still each sound different and sounding like creatures in forests.
it's about one breath. anyone who can't understand this can only see the shadow. i've said this before, but it seems he's not able to read my post or doesn't take mine so seriously. i've dismissed his sorts of assertions in the beginning as juvenile, but i had to take a stance. it is about principles. that's why i had him research, since he wanted to prove me wrong. now, he's bagging the question by pleading to other details. searching for the truth means the WHOLE truth, nothing but the truth.
you are right. as i've said, i wanted to dismiss it, but as you can see from prior posts, most came to bash, not to discuss. this one was a bit sensible until he cowardly acted as if he really didn't know what to apologize. this is why i had to "beat" him.
as being a loner, yes, we all are. what you are going to do about it is your choice. his choice was not so wise. his choice was to satisfy his own desire and greed, which is to "expose" people like me. that's why i let him research his own.
Then, you need not use the words "old Korean measurement" to explain shakuhachi improved by the Japanese. If you are sincere man, you should correct the explanation of shakuhachi
The problem concerning the explanation of shakuhachi that you wrote is as follows. 1. Shakuhachi and "old Korean measurement" are not related. 2. It is unknown whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea.
You should decide what kind of explanation you give about the shakuhachi. I have already pointed out the problems. If you disregard my point, I will think that you are a person of the same type as ChosonNinja.
1. according to you. also, btw, don't forget. shakuhachi and old "japanese" measurement are NOT related according to your logic either.
2. didn't you insist that shakuhachi was from china in the beginning when you came here so definitely, and now it's "unknown?" lol, yeah, unknown to you still maybe.
"You should decide"
there's nothing that i "should decide." you are the only one here still insisting how other korean people should behave, including ChosonNinja that you've mentioned.
which is? your problem was the fact that you didn't know the whole truth. you just swallowed what the japanese government has been feeding you and you come here spewing out the ignorance, which only get you more embraced.
"the same type as ChosonNinja."
which type is that? he seems to be pretty cool to me, so why are you bringing something he's not here? if you have some issues with him, go and talk to him. don't be like some chicken crap.
I asked you "How many centimeters is 1 "chuk" in old Korean measurement?", and you answered "30.303030303030303030303030303 03 cm". Then, is length of the shakuhachis which came from Baekje about 54.5 cm? The answer is No.
The longest shakuhachi is 43.7 cm. And 43.7 cm are about 1 尺 8 寸 in 唐小尺 (Tang Dynasty measuring system). What will this mean?
nothing. it only means the measuring system at the time maybe different. also, it's like calling any length of shakuhachi as just shakuhachi flute, even now. it only further proves the history of shakuhachi is far longer in korea.
in your 日本書紀, i am sure it says what you want. does it also say to judge others as "stupid?" please elaborate. btw, when you spew out things like "Silla 5th King was Japanese," please be ready to back this up. i know your ancestors' tombs are very much like koreans. also, what do you mean by "stupid fake historian parasite Ninja?" you have made a lot of generalization. who is stupid? you? who is fake? you? who is the historian? what is parasite Ninja? please enlighten my dark side.
as i was saying, please read others before only swallowing your government's texts and propaganda. just because one of "your" tombs differ in style a bit, it doesn't mean that all are different. study your history elsewhere other than in japan and you'll find out why your government doesn't want other tombs to be revealed. btw, you have still failed to elaborate on someone being "stupid" or "liar." you see, the world is not as you please. stay in japan. next name calling won't be tolerated.
even after my warning, you have failed to respect the rules of this community and kept posting and making ethical slurs and unfound accusations. thereby, i am blocking you and deleting your comment. before i let you go, i must ask you. if japan were korea, do you think it would survive as it is? korea has been as best as she could. your ugly japanese is backfiring. it's just pure ugly and weak. it's evil and i don't condone evil. so, leave for good. spread your virus elsewhere.
whosoever "angry" here should express the anger with the government and the education system of japan. this is a place where i introduce recently made bamboo flutes. call it shakuhachi if you want. in any case, learn your history well, otherwise please do not express your misguided education here unless you are willing to learn to learn the real truth. thanks.
it is also from china of tang dynasty. do you think it's the only time that the "shak," the bamboo flute came to the little island called japan? to your logic, everything is from china, including your bloodline and mine, right? so, what are you so afraid to admit that "your" bamboo stick is also from korea as well as china? is it because you were educated that way by your government along with a little bit of low self esteem? don't you realize you are your own contradiction? you guys are funny.
you can't say also from it's from china. the modern piano is an italian invention, my girlfriends piano is a yamaha i won't say pianos are japanese because her piano happens to be japanese
1st, it's not "tongso." it's called "toongso." also, if you know "your" shakuhachi and korean toongso, you wouldn't sound so imperialistic nor ignorant. it's not love or shame that i enjoy shak. it's not love or shame that i enjoy sushi. what is your damage when people appreciate "your" culture. are you that insignificant and insecure?
Korean is insisting that all Japannese culture such as KENDO, JUDO, AIKIDO, SUMO, SAMURAI, NINJA, KATANA, UKIYOE, SADO, KABUKI, NOH, HAIKU and SUSHI etc are korean.
Korean is insisting that famous Japannese historical figures such as MUSASHI, LADY MURASAKI, HOKUSAI, HIROSHIGE UNKEI and ZEAMI etc are korean.
The cause is in the school training that Korean people receives wrong infomation that "The Japanese is always barbarous and uncivilized".
are you japanese or korean? from what i read, you sound like a korean, talking about korean did this or that. if you are japanese, please tell me about japan. btw, do you know how to play shakuhachi at least?
amebabameba...you too! Believe the Japanese history and their viewpoints. It may enlighten you as of what Japan say about Kudara and other influences.
What is Japanese people's DNA again? Wasn't it like almost half Chinese and half KOREAN?
Try lying to yourself and the propaganda in which OUR WONDERFUL & HONEST Japanese government has told us taihuu the wise one. So I guess Gaya and Kudara were not ancient Korea right? Your desperate lies are now obvious.
Can we lie to science and facts too taihuu and shame ourselves more?...Go ahead wise one. lol
I proved that the inspection that I used the DNA of mitochondria for began with Africa in the human origin.
It is the theory that was already denied in archeology.
The Japanese is done with the race that is near to a person and the Tibetan of the southern part in China by the detailed analysis of the current DNA.
In addition, it is difficult to maintain a monas race continuing from the ancient times without any interference being done not separated by water Korea by the other races.
Can I ask you how many time Koreans invaded Mangolia and China? How many times did Magolia and China invade Korea? If your half as smart and qualify as not being RETARDED, then maybe you should consider why should hate instead. Your not to smart are you oh wise taihuu?
One more thing...How many times has Korea invaded Japan? Can you tell me without lies how many time Japan has invaded or attempted to invade Korea?
Would you like more references for the world to research if I am lying?
do you want others know of the ugly side of japan? is this a real intention, to lower the dignity of japan from what's left? look onto yourself before others. you'll be busy enough. if i see another doodle from you about generalization and stereotypes that induces ethnic hatred, you'll be ignored, meaning blocked. if you have a legit claim, please do so with a good manner and empirical evidences to back up your unfound and biased japanese imperialistic point of view in asia and world in general.
selftrance, i have no hatred towards race my friend. I am both Korean and Japanese. If this isn;t clear, allow me to explain.
The racist claim I am only Korean and have attacked me and the little left dignity of Korea in general. I intent on bridging the countries with LEGIT history which comes from Japan. Now their tactics towards me in the past have not been the most polite.
This is all not from hatred..but for them to see the truth and not continue their ignorance.
of course i believe you. i commend your effort to bridge the gap between the nations, including korea and japan. your works are profound and i have a deep respect for you. i was making a comment on taihuu's unfound remark on someone being a dog or being a dog for someone. in any case, i hope all are good with you. God bless you.
saw this as well. nothing significant at all. if you keep on rambling your childish crapo here, it will only lower my views towards your beloved country called "japan." act like a japanese please, or are you being one already?
yoshi, saw the video and i can't really tell myself. how could you, as a japanese, tell so well with just a half of second of audio? certainly, you don't wish us to believe you are without any bias? don't you realize that all your childish "efforts" are in vain? at least use the time for yourself.
LOL. So my mother has to come down to your demands and post avideo? Who do you think you are? Your suspicions now dictates what my mother has to do to prove to ignorant children with unfound accusations?
Even if she did, what other unjust attacks will you claim? You think I am stupid and put my mother through this?
You show your mother and your face first on video and have her say Hello to ChosonNinja and waste her time. Then I'll think about it asking her OKAY?
I intend to be never concerned with Koreans including you.
Because I should say the same thing again and again and again and......
GIVE ME A BREAK!
Thank you & good-bye.
P.S.
"whoever says this?"
You said, "given the fact that the flute is not from china"
(2/2)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"GIVE ME A BREAK!"
thank you. please spread the real news.
selftrance 1 year ago
"facts"
yes, given the fact the oldest shakuhachi record from both countries and the facts you've newly discovered, i SAID we can HYPOTHESIZE that even the rest of "unknown" flutes are also very much likely come from baekjae of korea, before tang of china. of course, anything "unknown" should be further studied, but it's your research, not mine. also, the reason why no further research is not being done is that they (japanese government) already know the answer to a lot of "unknowns" already.
selftrance 1 year ago
How many times have I said the same thing to you up to now?
I said the following things many times.
"The record only proves 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660. Therefore, the record doesn't prove the shakuhachi of Prince who was alive in 574-622 came from Baekje.".
And you answered, "Your homework".
It is homework, because NOBODY KNOWS an answer, isn't it?
Perhaps, we will have to do such a ridiculous discussion eternally. I am sorry, I became tired.
(1/2)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"It is homework, because NOBODY KNOWS an answer, isn't it?"
no, somebody knows the answer until then we must settle for what's official so far.
selftrance 1 year ago
By the way, I confirm "korea" to you, because I was pointed out by somebody. You asked, "those shakuhachi were from korea, others unknown". And I thought that "korea" meant Baekje, and I answered "yes".
Did you say "korea" in the meaning of Baekje?
(6/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"Did you say "korea" in the meaning of Baekje?"
it depends on your question. your posts are all over the place and even i am having a hard time to catch up. i repeatedly asked you not to do this. i asked you to either PM me or try to reduce your posts here into one or two. if you are not able to condense your thoughts into one and make logical questions or conclusions, yet spread your "isms" here and there, i will not tolerate this. limit your post to one at a time or i will have to block you.
selftrance 1 year ago
Please don't make a mistake. I am not asking the reason that you judged that the shakuhachi came from Baekje. I am asking the reason that you judged that it didn't come from China.
(5/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"you judged that it didn't come from China."
whoever says this? are you changing what i said again or are you "misunderstanding" again?
selftrance 1 year ago
"AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?"
I am verifying "The flute is not from china" that you said. At that time, the way of the cultures to Japan was China and the Korean Peninsura. However, you said that the Prince's shakuhachi didn't come from China.
Please show me grounds that you judged that the shakuhachi didn't come from China.
(4/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"Please show me grounds that you judged that the shakuhachi didn't come from China."
based on your research, i further concluded that shakuhachi has IN FACT come from korea. as you can simply find in the wiki, you may say that it came to japan from china via korea.
selftrance 1 year ago
The jade is mined only in Japan, Myanmar, and Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region in Asia. Moreover, I asked, "is there evidence to prove Baekje had the technology that processes the white jade?", and you answered, "jades were very common in tombs even in 2nd BC silla artifacts.". They are magatamas made of the jade, aren't they?
The possibility that the shakuhachi made of white jade was made in Baekje is extremely low.
(3/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"the shakuhachi made of white jade was made in Baekje is extremely low."
lol. so prove it. i already told you that this is your homework. until then, shakuhachi is from korea as you've found out.
selftrance 1 year ago
About white jade
You said that Prince's shakuhachi came from not China but Baekje. The reasons are as follows.
1."baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS"
2."the flute is not from china"
3."well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan"
I am verifying the third reason. If white jade had not been mined in Korea, and there was no technology that processed it, It means that the shakuhachi made of white jade wasn't made in Baekje.
(2/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"the shakuhachi made of white jade wasn't made in Baekje."
illogical. if white jades couldn't be mined in korea, they can simply import from anywhere in the world. they even imported glasses from persia even before that time, as you can find in the tombs of silla. btw, yes, whites jades are one of common objects that you can find in the tombs, especially during that time.
selftrance 1 year ago
"the your own official historical records prevail that it is in fact come from Korea."
The record only proves 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660.
Therefore, the record doesn't prove the shakuhachi of Prince who was alive in 574-622 came from Baekje.
(1/6)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"shakuhachi of Prince"
your homework.
selftrance 1 year ago
"please kindly remind me."
you had said, "given the fact that the flute is not from china". And I answered, "There are 9 shakuhachis at that time in Japan. It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje. However, it is unknown whether 5 shakuhachis came from China or Korea.".
Well, I offer you information for 5 shakuhachis of unidentified. 3 shakuhachis are made from bamboo, and others are made from a stone and a ivory.
(2/2)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"Well"
i asked specifically to remind me. AGAIN, WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?
selftrance 1 year ago
"so, which part do you disagree?"
"When Shakuhachi was brought into Japan from Korea"
from Korea
"those shakuhachi were from korea, others unknown"
Yes.
"it's possible, but much unlikely."
4 shakuhachis came from Baekje. Though 3 shakuhachis were made from bamboo, 1 shakuhachi was made from white jade. Has white jade been mined in Korea?
And is there evidence to prove Baekje had the technology that processes the white jade? (e.g. cultural heritage made by white jade made)
(1/2)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
Sorry, I made a mistake.
× (e.g. cultural heritage made by white jade made in )
○ (e.g. cultural heritage made by white jade made in Baekje)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"Baekje had the technology that processes the white jade?"
lol, just because "japan" didn't, that doesn't mean korean didn't either. yes, i am certain that they had "the technology." you may find this in your own ancient tombs from various artifacts from korea even before 5 or 6 AD. jades were very common in tombs even in 2nd BC silla artifacts. you are only degrading yourself with your ignorance and your futile effort that the piece of bamboo has nothing to do with korea. lol.
selftrance 1 year ago
"from Korea"
yes, it's from korea. despite what you don't want to believe, as you've found out, the your own official historical records prevail that it is in fact come from Korea.
selftrance 1 year ago
"unknown"
in regards to your "unknown" stance, this is NOT scientific nor historic, since i can say the same thing. i can say that there are flutes in korea older than some chinese, but they are "unknown" of their origin. lol. in scientific and scholarly research, what you have said only brings a mockery. your history wannabe is "unknown." yes, you have "unknown" history now. you'd probably want to prefer that since you are so anti-korea. at least now, you won't say that it's from "tang."
selftrance 1 year ago
@selftrance
"unknown"
Exactly. Why can he not know it's KNOWN now by him that Shakuhachi is undoubtedly from Korea until the "unknown" is known. I guess he's "unknown," until known. But how can he be known if he wants to be unknown. LoLz.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
@SamMaulTV
I said, "I corrected my insistence" many times here.
I CHANGED MY INSISTENCE!
My insistence is "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea" NOW.
And it is meaningless that you complain about Japanese Government to me.
Please protest directly against Japanese Government.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
If so, then you are a Korean. Oh, wait, you are a Chinese. Do you know your ancestors? In your gene, there are more Korean blood than anywhere. No matter how much you want to shake off, you can't. This is why you want to be known as "unknown." BTW, if you changed your position, go and spread the news, other than just busying yourself swallowing your government propaganda. Hey, how about this? Can you agree at least now that the oldest "known" Shakuhachi is from Korea?
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
@SamMaulTV
I said that the origin of Prince's shakuhachi was unknown many times.
The origin is unknown, because the records don't remain.
Well, I know the Japanese have haprogroup O3 and haprogroup O2b.
Of course, I know Koreans have a lot of haprogroup O3, too.
Btw, I leave a bomb here, Because I don't come to here anymore.
At that time, Japan had the influence in Baekje and Silla.
Please read Gwanggaeto Stele and Book of Song (宋書).
Thank you & good-bye.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
"unknown"
Yes, your history is now "unknown." BTW, I really don't give a flying crapo about some "unknown." Yeah, I have "unknown" royal blood in me. LoLz.
"haprogroup"
LoLz. You just make me smile. Why don't you compare that with Chinese?
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
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@hifumiyoimunayakoto
"influence"
Haha. What kind of "influence?"
"Gwanggaeto Stele and Book of Song"
And? What does your "bible" say about the "influence?" Are you sure it's not "influenza bomb?" LoLz.
"Thank you & good-bye."
You are welcome & be well, brother.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
"Has white jade been mined in Korea?"
lol. what now. has bamboo been harvested in japan? what is your point other than changing subject again? in regards to your irrelevant question, yes, i believe any jade can be found in any country almost. if something is not found, yet it needed somehow, i am sure there are ways to import, as well as export. what other possibilities are you suggesting now?
selftrance 1 year ago
"which part of hypothesis didn't you understand?"
I verified your comment in (6/8) and (7/8) last time.
And, your responsionses are as follows.
1.I agreed.
2.YOU DIDN'T ANSWER.
3.You answered.
4.You answered.
You didn't answer me about the SECOND verification outcome.
(4/4)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"YOU DIDN'T ANSWER."
i might have missed it. please kindly remind me.
selftrance 1 year ago
"the possibility is they used the same measuring system"
Of course, there is a possibility to use same measuring system as Tang Dynasty in Baekje, too.
"you need to apology for this as well for putting some lie into a quote as if i said it"
I apologize to you for this matter.
"no royal gives a royal gift away to yet another "royal.""
Isn't there possibility that Baekje ordered custom-designed flutes to the workman in Tang Dynasty?
(3/4)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"I apologize to you for this matter."
please do not do this to others as well. this was very rude.
"Isn't there possibility that Baekje ordered custom-designed flutes to the workman in Tang Dynasty?"
of course, it's possible, but much unlikely. why? even i can make a decent flute. it's very unlikely that baekje, the cultural center at the time, would order out gifts from tang to send to japan. this is pushing it too far.
selftrance 1 year ago
"so, what did you correct and what do you think your "insistence" is?"
I insisted that the shakuhachi had come from Tang Dynasty first. However, I found that my insistence was a mistake in my investigation. Therefore, I corrected the insistence as follows.
"Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
"your "insistence" was that shakuhachi was from tang, not korea."
I corrected my insistence.
(2/4)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"I found that my insistence was a mistake"
you've found those shakuhachi were from korea, others unknown, according to you.
"Therefore, I corrected the insistence as follows."
"Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
to this, i said, given the facts, we can hypothesize that even that particular flute that the prince played was also very much likely from korea.
selftrance 1 year ago
Sorry, I answer only the question about shakuhachi, because our discussion often swerves from the right path.
"before you go off tangent, what's my "insistence?""
You wrote in the explanation of this video as follows. "When Shakuhachi was brought into Japan from Korea".
I thought that this was your insistence.
(1/4)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
"When Shakuhachi was brought into Japan from Korea".
"I thought that this was your insistence."
so, which part do you disagree?
selftrance 1 year ago
If you never correct the explanation of the shakuhachi, you need not write the answer to me.
(8/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"If"
i have no idea what you are asking. as i asked over and over, how old are you really?
selftrance 2 years ago
3. "well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan"
The longest shakuhachi that came from Baekje is 1 尺 8 寸 in 唐小尺. Therefore, there is a possibility that these were made in Tang.
(though the possibility that these were made in Baekje is high）
4. "we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea"
Please prove Prince's shakuhachi didn't come from China if you want to make me admit your intelligent conclusion.
(7/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"possibility"
wrong. the possibility is they used the same measuring system. no royal gives a royal gift away to yet another "royal."
intelligent conclusion."
which part of hypothesis didn't you understand?
selftrance 2 years ago
1. "baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS"
Yes.
2. "the flute is not from china"
There are 9 shakuhachis at that time in Japan. It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje. However, it is unknown whether 5 shakuhachis came from China or Korea.
(6/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"unknown"
as i said, it's YOUR homework. until then, shakuhachi was from KOREA.
selftrance 2 years ago
By the way, you wrote the following comments.
"given the fact that baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS, given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea."
Let's verify your insistence.
(5/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
However, you didn't change the insistence. I explained the relation at that time between China and Japan, and asked "Do you think that Japan and China didn't have relations at that time?". You answered, "nope. not as close as baeje of korea.".
I interpreted your answer without permission as follows.
"Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China"
I have wrong for this matter.
(4/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"I have wrong for this matter."
not only you were wrong, but also you were dishonest. you need to apology for this as well for putting some lie into a quote as if i said it.
selftrance 2 years ago
However, I discovered the record that Prince Shotoku (574-622) had already played the shakuhachi. And, nobody knows where Prince's shakuhachi came from. Because the records don't remain.
In a word, grounds of your insistence were lost. Of course, my insistence was a mistake. Therefore, I corrected my insistence.
My insistence is "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
(3/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"grounds of your insistence were lost."
before you go off tangent, what's my "insistence?" "I corrected my insistence."
so, what did you correct and what do you think your "insistence" is?
"My insistence is "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
wrong. your "insistence" was that shakuhachi was from tang, not korea. read your very first post. btw, you've started this.
selftrance 2 years ago
Well, let's look back on our discussion. I had the doubt in the explanation of the shakuhachi, and I asked grounds that it had come from Korea to you. You answered that information on Wiki was grounds.
And I search for 獻物帳, and I understood the following.
1.There is no 獻物帳 of Uija of Baekje (義慈王, ? - 660, r. 641 - 660) in Japan.
2.However, the records remain in 国家珍宝帳, and 4 shakuhachis from Baekje are kept in Shōsōin(正倉院).
(2/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
First of all, I apologize to you. You never say to me, "Closer".
(I will explain details later. )
(1/8)
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"I apologize to you."
your apology is now accepted.
selftrance 2 years ago
i've arrived here just like to tell.. my simple opinion
uhm.. the important thing is the sound itself, not its
measurement.
it's a fantastic reality that this guy is a pure Korean
and some how met Shakuhachi, and any ways he actually plays it. i don't want him to be just another
Shakuhachi player, like so many of them.
he has pure Korean soul and wanting Shakuhachi to
be his own instrument. it sounds much more attractive
than to be just another traditional player, isn't it?
ayanuhito 2 years ago
it is not important to me either. if it were, i'd not play a "japanese flute." shakuhachi merely means 척팔. 처쿠 팔(하치) became 샤쿠하치. btw, thank you for noticing the "Korean soul." it's very much to do with "Han." also, fyi, i play what i feel, not what i was taught. that's the biggest difference. a breath of bamboo is beyond any politics or history. one last thing, this might interest you. the origin of flute, along with harps, is actually in the Bible, not china nor korea. ;)
selftrance 2 years ago
you're the closest existence to me, who can show me
the radically pure soul of the Koreaness. there're many
who feel sympathy with you not only in korea, but all
over the world. i respects you so much, and love a lot
as a brother. b/t/w.. "쪽바리 이나 쪽발이" 라고는 말은
"척팔" 에서 태어났어요?! 저 일본북부 사투리의
"젓발이" 가 "쪽발이의 어머니" 라고 생각했어요.;)
"젓발" means "behave stubborn", ""젓발이" means
"stubborn". ^~^)
ayanuhito 2 years ago
lol. i've never thought that. according to wiki, the meaning of the word is..
"원래 쪽발이는 발이 하나만 달린 물건, 또는 발굽이 둘로 된 짐승 다리나 물건을 가리키는 말이었다. 이것이 왜나막신을 주로 신었던 일본인을 모욕하는 말로 쓰이게 되었다... 흔히 일본인을 비하 하는 말로 쓰인다."
so, it was originated from something that seemed to be unbalanced. ;)
selftrance 2 years ago
oh.!! so my friend was correct! i talked about the roots of the word last week with my friend from ChunChon. he said about it. i told him that many of the Japanese who ilved in Korea during those invasion eras were from the northern japanese. they wore the traditional Gaeta shoes(unbalanced wooden-made), even in harsh Korean winters. so.. Koreans asked some southern Japanese who wore modern shoes "why they wear such stupid shoes in winter?" answered
"because they're Jyoppari from the poor north"
ayanuhito 2 years ago
haha i see. so, this word didn't have to exist if they didn't invade. in that case, they so deserve it. :)
selftrance 2 years ago
i take it, i take it!!
ayanuhito 2 years ago
It is said that the Shakuhachi was brought by Tang Dynasty in Japan. What are grounds that the Shakuhachi was brought by not Tang Dynasty but Korea?
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
please wiki. also, try to read the following. 샤쿠하치(尺八)는 관악기의 일종이다. 백제 의자왕이 일본에 보낸 헌물장(獻物帳)에 그 이름을 보인다. if you can't this excerpt, i guess that would be your problem. i suggest doing other research besides your textbooks made by your government. good luck.
selftrance 2 years ago
Thank you for the answer. Where can I confirm 獻物帳 that the king of Baekje sent Japan?
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
there had been many cultural and political exchanges between Baekje and "japan" even before 4th century, until the fall of Baekje in the 7th century. a piece of bamboo is very likely traveled already prior to even 4th century. in any case, in regards to ancient 尺八, you can find what you are looking for in japan. it says, "나라(奈良)의 쇼소인(正倉院)이 소장(所藏)하고 있다."
selftrance 2 years ago
The following 5 獻物帳 is kept in 正倉院.
国家珍宝帳, 種々薬帳, 屏風花氈等帳, 大小王真跡帳, and 藤原公真跡屏風帳.
There is no 獻物帳 sent by King of Baekje in 正倉院. Do such records remain in Korea?
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
it says that 正倉院 of 奈良 has been keeping it. also keep in mind that during japanese occupation in korea, many historical and cultural artifacts and documents have been intentionally and systematically destroyed. i won't be surprised about this one either. btw, i am not talking about some jewelry. i am talking about very deep cultural and historical ties between Baekje and japan at the time. this goes far more than some "tang" dynasty bamboo flute import via korea. it's in the blood.
selftrance 2 years ago
I said to you, "There is no 獻物帳 sent by King of Baekje in 正倉院", and you answered, "It says that 正倉院 of 奈良 has been keeping it".....??? I can't understand.
And, what is the jewel? I didn't speak the jewel either.
Anyway, I understood that you believed information of WikiPedia and wrote that Shakuhachi had been brought by Korea. I question the person who wrote such information in WikiPedia. Thank you.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
you are welcome. in regards to wiki, please note that it says "bamboo flute," not shakuhachi. if you really like to insist on your flute history starting from the tang dynasty, please go ahead. it would only show how little and short history of japanese bamboo flutes really is. in any case, if you prefer, you can be proud and happy that one of bamboo flutes was brought into japan from china, and that one happened to be the model of all japanese bamboo flutes. wow. okay, are you happy now? lol.
selftrance 2 years ago
I want only to know which information of Japanese Wiki and S.Korean Wiki is right. Of course, if information on S.Korean Wiki is wrong, I demand a revision of the explanation of a Shakuhachi written here, but otherwise I apologize for having let you feel unpleasant.
Anyway, I questioned S.Korean Wiki on 獻物帳 of 正倉院 this morning. If an answer comes from a writer, I inform you. Please wait for a while.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
no, please don't get me wrong. i don't get unpleasant for some misunderstanding. i get unpleasant when the history gets distorted intentionally. in regards to shakuhachi or any bamboo flutes for that matter, it's about one breath. in any case, good luck in your endeavors. just remember though, a piece of bamboo in japan just didn't start with some tang dynasty import. thank you for your patience. you are the first sensible japanese here, it seems.
selftrance 2 years ago
Sorry for the delay in answering. Because the answer didn't come from the writer of Wiki, I investigated 獻物帳 by myself.
I understood the following from this investigation. 1.There is no 獻物帳 of Uija of Baekje (義慈王, ? - 660, r. 641 - 660) in Japan. 2.However, the records remain in 国家珍宝帳, and 4 shakuhachis from Baekje are kept in Shōsōin(正倉院).
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"no 獻物帳 of Uija of Baekje"
it says there is in korean text. i now believe korean text more.
"4 shakuhachis from Baekje"
i believe you owe me an apology.
selftrance 2 years ago
Well, I have confirmed shakuhachis were told from Baekje in 641-660 years. However, it is written in 法隆寺古今目録抄 that Prince Shōtoku (574-622) played a shakuhachi. There had been already shakuhachi in Japan when it was brought by Baekje. And, no one knows where a shakuhachi that he had played came from.
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"Prince Shōtoku (574-622)"
given the fact that there had been very very close ties and relations between japan and baekje, especially during that time...
"There had been already shakuhachi in Japan"
not from tang dynasty? ;)
selftrance 2 years ago
You wrote "Shakuhachi means 1 "chuk" 8 "chi" in old Korean measurement.".
I question you. How many centimeters is 1 "chuk" in old Korean measurement? And where can I confirm the information?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"no one knows"
maybe he made it? ;) listen. given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea. if you have made a flute before, you ought to know the complexity of the form.
selftrance 2 years ago
"How many centimeters is 1 "chuk"
30.30303030303030303030303030303 cm
And where can I confirm the information?
anywhere. google "1척."
selftrance 2 years ago
＞i believe you owe me an apology.
It is not 獻物帳 but shakuhachi that is kept in Shōsōin. The explanation of S.Korean Wiki was wrong. In addition, I spent much time for investigation for a mistake of S.Korean Wiki. Why should I apologize to you?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
as i said, it's kept in Shōsōin of Nara. you need to apology because you have presumed that the flute was from china, when IN FACT, as you've researched, it's from KOREA. you have merely accused of me lying when i said the flute was from korea via china. when you and your uneducated japanese friends come here and spew out what they've learned in their text and insinuate ethic hatred. for this you need to apology.
selftrance 2 years ago
btw, your investigation was NOT about in search of truth, but rather in search of how you can get me "exposed," but as you can see, you are the one exposed. shame on you. stop the hatred.
selftrance 2 years ago
I can't understand why you are angry. It is natural that the controversy occurs, if your explanation isn't corresponding to my knowledge. stop the hatred? When did I hate you?
I am only investigating whether your insistence is right. Is my behavior inconvenient for you?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"angry"
who says i am?
"When"
as soon as you came here. also, just read others commenting on your page. you are insinuating hatred in the name of "searching for truth."
"whether your insistence is right. Is my behavior inconvenient for you?"
and? what did you find? yes, you have inconvenienced me for wasting my time for facts that you should've known already.
selftrance 2 years ago
"who says i am?"
You said to me, "shame on you.".
"just read others commenting on your page."
They read the comments that I had written to others, and came to my page. I didn't pick disputes with them.
"you are insinuating hatred in the name of "searching for truth.""
If the truth becomes clear, are you something embarrassed?
"you have inconvenienced me for wasting my time"
It is natural that the Japanese object for you. And, you should have expected it.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"You said to me, "shame on you.".
so, shame on YOU. this is an angry expression to you? probably especially coming from a "korean?" you can't handle the truth and you are now blaming on others again?
" I didn't pick disputes"
yes, you did. that's why they came to your page. how old are you anyway?
"It is natural that the Japanese object for you"
you see. you are just proving my point further. YOU and other ignorant japanese object me. other 99% of japanese who have studied correctly don't.
selftrance 2 years ago
I saw the video of "Geisha "Samurai song"" that the Italian woman had made. However, the tune of the video was Arirang. Therefore, I pointed out to her, "This is a tune of Korea".
Then, NocturneoftheFirefly protested against me , saying that "The cause of the mistake was not she but CD". And he disputed with me.
When did I pick a dispute with him?
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"a tune of Korea"
i am glad that you've corrected her. probably she didn't know? btw, do you know how much i have to educate the ignorance, including yours?
"he disputed with me."
you must be kidding. what are you so afraid of? facts are facts. you dispute and let them find out for themselves, just like how i did with you.
selftrance 2 years ago
I found the comment of "Norimaki is inferior carbon copy of kimbap" that eastyunasea had written. I objected for him based on a historical fact. Then, drahn1275 came to my page and commented.
When did I pick a dispute with drahn1275?
Perhaps, assanee31 also read my comment, and came to my page.
They picked disputes with me.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"a dispute with drahn1275?"
is your life so trivial?
"They picked disputes with me."
i suggest to change your ways of communication. maybe the way you say things is not so correct.
selftrance 2 years ago
"If the truth becomes clear, are you something embarrassed?"
no. are you? if no, why is it that you are embarrassed about the new "official" facts you've discovered about shakuhachi coming from baeje of korea. aren't you glad to know the WHOLE truth now or are you embarrassed? well, which one is it?
selftrance 2 years ago
I am still embarrassed. Because you insisted, "Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China". I don't understand whether you say seriously or are joking.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"closer"
read my posts. again, if you make up stuff like this, you'll be disputed. that's probably why they've been coming all the way to your channel to tell you to change the way you delude yourself and communicate that delusion with others. read exactly what i wrote and take it as it's written. do NOT add your own as if mine.
btw, either PM me or try to keep the thread into one. your post here and there only makes others confusing to follow and it's not so courteous to others. thanks.
selftrance 2 years ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
Selftrance never said anything close to what your quote, "Korea brought Japan the shakuhachi because Korea was closer Japan than China." Where do you see it? I've been following this thread. Why are you making up things now? You said, Shakuhachi was from Tang Dynasty first, but now you found out from your official record that it's from Korea a lot earlier than that. Now you change subject with some "Prince." Are all Japanese like you? I am very disappointed. Please leave.
SamMaulTV 2 years ago
i agree. he said it's from tang. now, he learned it's from baekje of korea. at least he should withdraw his assertion that shakuhachi is from tang, now we have the facts that japanese government didn't teach their people, yet it's hard for him to swallow the new facts by changing the subject with some prince story. even the prince's flute, i gave him the hypothetical conclusion, yet he makes up quotes like that to defame me, which has been his intention from the beginning, only shamed himself.
selftrance 2 years ago
Please read the comment that I wrote to selftrance this time.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto,
I did and I agree with Selftrance. It's from Korea. Unless you are able to prove that your Prince's flute is from other than Korea, Shakuhachi was from Korea, according to the oldest record as you've newly discovered. In regards to your Prince's flute, I also think it's from Korea as well, given the circumstances during the time. It definitely did NOT only come from "Tang" as you so claimed in the beginning. In fact, the historical fact shows otherwise, as you've found out.
SamMaulTV 2 years ago
@SamMaulTV
Prince Shotoku (574-622)
There is a record that Prince Shotoku played the shakuhachi.
And this is a record of the oldest shakuhachi in Japan.
Uija of Baekje (? - 660, r. 641 - 660)
King Uija presented Japan 4 shakuhachis.
There are 9 shakuhachis at that time (Shosoin 8, Horyu-ji 1) in Japan.
4 shakuhachis came from Baekje.
However, nobody understands where 5 shakuhachis came from.
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@SamMaulTV
It is true that 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660. However, the record of the oldest shakuhachi in Japan is Prince Shotoku (574-622). Shotoku had already died when Uija became the king of Baekje.
Certainly, Japan was related to Baekje and Silla. However, Japan was related to China, too.
Do you want to say that Prince's shakuhachi (574-622) had come from Baekje, because 4 shakuhachis came from Baekje to Japan in 641-660?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
No. I want to say that Shakuhachi IS from Korea, unlike what you have asserted at first. Also, I want to say that your "Prince's flute" is irrelevant here. You have already admitted that you were wrong about it coming from China. Lastly, if you really want where your Prince's flute came from, ask your government to publicly open up the ancient graves for archeological studies. FYI, now I wonder what other things that the Japanese government didn't teach their people.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
@SamMaulTV
"I want to say that your "Prince's flute" is irrelevant"
The record of Prince's shakuhachi is the oldest in Japan. Why is Prince's shakuhachi irrelevant?
"You have already admitted that you were wrong about it coming from China."
I admitted that it was a mistake to specify the country where the shakuhachi had come. I didn't deny that it had come from China.
Therefore, I say, "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea".
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
"the oldest in Japan. Why is Prince's shakuhachi irrelevant?"
It's irrelevant to your claim that Shakuhachi is from Tang Dynasty of China. You failed to provide any of your assertions. Therefore, your new assertion that some Prince's flute is older is also yet another claim. Moreover, once your Prince's flute tested to be Korean, you'll again bring some new things like some "jades." LoLz.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
"China or Korea"
So, now the burden of proof is on YOU. Why are you asking to prove your point here? You have to bring in some historical and official record and facts to even discuss that some are "unknown." Until you can't prove your point, unfortunately for you, you have to follow the rules. You are NO exception.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
@SamMaulTV
"ask your government to publicly open up the ancient graves"
Please E-mail to the Imperial Household Agency in Japan.
"I wonder"
Please E-mail to the Ministry of Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology in Japan.
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 1 year ago
@hifumiyoimunayakoto
"Please E-mail to the Ministry"
LoLz. I think you should, "truth finder." BTW, FYI, it's already been done by scholars around the world, yet your government doesn't want to budge. I wonder, again. LoLz.
SamMaulTV 1 year ago
I have found the following in this investigation. 1. Four shakuhachis came from Baekje in 641-660. 2. The longest shakuhachi of them is 1 尺 8 寸in 唐小尺. 3. The oldest record of shakuhachi of Japan is written that Prince Shotoku (574-622) played in 法隆寺古今目録抄. 4. It is unknown where shakuhachi which Prince Shotoku played came from.
In a word, nobody can declare whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea. Please show grounds if you insist that it came from Korea.
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
1. i told you already it's from baekje, not from china.
2. and?
3. and?
4. it is YOUR homework to find out where that specific flute that your prince played. i already told you my conclusion based on facts. are you not reading my post?
selftrance 2 years ago
You said "there had been very very close ties and relations between japan and baekje". Do you think that Japan and China didn't have relations at that time? Japan had sent China the missions even in Southern and Northern Dynasties.
I also judge that Price's shakuhachi came from Korea if Japan was related only to Korea. But Japan was related to not only Korea but also China.
I can't understand why you judge that it came from Korea.
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"Do you think that Japan and China didn't have relations at that time?"
nope. not as close as baeje of korea. you ought to know your history, no?
"Japan had sent China the missions even in"
lol, so? does that mean the flute is directly from china as you still want to claim despite the facts you've newly discovered?
"can't understand why you judge"
because in your heart, you don't want korea anything to do with your precious "national" pride. news flash for you. time has changed.
selftrance 2 years ago
The S.Korea government seems not to teach the relation at that time between China and Japan. And your history textbooks are written completely disregarding on 倭国伝 of 宋書 (Book of Song). Not me but you don't know the history.
Do you want to say that Prince's shakuhachi came from Korea because a Korea was closer Japan than China? Do you get drunk now?
And I said, "Nobody can judge whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea" many times.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"The S.Korea government seems"
wrong.
"between China and Japan."
study before showing your ignorance.
"Book of Song"
so, if anyone doesn't know "Book of Song," then he/she is completely ignorant of any history according to your logic? lol, how old are you really?
"Do you want to say"
wrong.
selftrance 2 years ago
"Prince's shakuhachi"
i'll state this AGAIN. given the fact that baekje of korea and "japan" at the time had very very close RELATIONSHIPS, given the fact that the flute is not from china, given the fact that there had been close ties with baekje to the point that well made and fit for royalty flutes could be made and given to japan, we can hypothesize an intelligent conclusion that the bamboo flutes were indeed from korea. do you want me to teach you in japanese?
selftrance 2 years ago
"Do you get drunk now?"
excuse me? i hope you are joking. one more unfounded assertion will block you.
"China or Korea"
let me put this very simple for you. shakuhachi is from korea. unless you find another "official" record, it's still from korea. surely some flutes are from china and korea as well or any other country for that matter, but as you found out yourself, it's from korea.
selftrance 2 years ago
You wrote "Shakuhachi means 1 "chuk" 8 "chi" in old Korean measurement.". Shakuhachi was invented in Tang Dynasty, and was 1 尺 8 寸 in 唐小尺. And modern shakuhachi became 1 尺 8 寸 in Japanese measuring system in Edo period.
What relation do shakuhachi and "old Korean measurement" have?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
when i said "old Korean measurement," it simply means the measurement that they used at THAT time in old, ancient Korea, which also have contributed to the measuring system in "japan" at the time. the measuring system itself surely came from china, which korea and japan have adopted, just like the chinese characters.
selftrance 2 years ago
ayanuhito 2 years ago
it's about one breath. anyone who can't understand this can only see the shadow. i've said this before, but it seems he's not able to read my post or doesn't take mine so seriously. i've dismissed his sorts of assertions in the beginning as juvenile, but i had to take a stance. it is about principles. that's why i had him research, since he wanted to prove me wrong. now, he's bagging the question by pleading to other details. searching for the truth means the WHOLE truth, nothing but the truth.
selftrance 2 years ago
i totally understand your stance, hyungnim.
but you shouldn't kill him by beating him with words
any more. he already seems noticing himself lacked
something. i know you only wish him to learn other
people. i wonder he's a lonesome person who still
can't see the world with his own eyes. we have so
many nationalists here, i also have been attacked by
those ones by words.. but i noticed they're often
lonesome people.. some became my friends later.
some have pure souls. others are too fanatical...
ayanuhito 2 years ago
you are right. as i've said, i wanted to dismiss it, but as you can see from prior posts, most came to bash, not to discuss. this one was a bit sensible until he cowardly acted as if he really didn't know what to apologize. this is why i had to "beat" him.
as being a loner, yes, we all are. what you are going to do about it is your choice. his choice was not so wise. his choice was to satisfy his own desire and greed, which is to "expose" people like me. that's why i let him research his own.
selftrance 2 years ago
Then, you need not use the words "old Korean measurement" to explain shakuhachi improved by the Japanese. If you are sincere man, you should correct the explanation of shakuhachi
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"old Korean measurement"
if so, what do i need to use?
"shakuhachi improved by the Japanese"
are you saying japanese didn't improve it?
"correct the explanation of shakuhachi"
how should i "change" it according to you then?
selftrance 2 years ago
Sorry, it is my mistake.
○ shakuhachi that improved by the Japanese
The problem concerning the explanation of shakuhachi that you wrote is as follows. 1. Shakuhachi and "old Korean measurement" are not related. 2. It is unknown whether shakuhachi came from China or Korea.
You should decide what kind of explanation you give about the shakuhachi. I have already pointed out the problems. If you disregard my point, I will think that you are a person of the same type as ChosonNinja.
hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
1. according to you. also, btw, don't forget. shakuhachi and old "japanese" measurement are NOT related according to your logic either.
2. didn't you insist that shakuhachi was from china in the beginning when you came here so definitely, and now it's "unknown?" lol, yeah, unknown to you still maybe.
"You should decide"
there's nothing that i "should decide." you are the only one here still insisting how other korean people should behave, including ChosonNinja that you've mentioned.
selftrance 2 years ago
'the problems."
which is? your problem was the fact that you didn't know the whole truth. you just swallowed what the japanese government has been feeding you and you come here spewing out the ignorance, which only get you more embraced.
"the same type as ChosonNinja."
which type is that? he seems to be pretty cool to me, so why are you bringing something he's not here? if you have some issues with him, go and talk to him. don't be like some chicken crap.
selftrance 2 years ago
I asked you "How many centimeters is 1 "chuk" in old Korean measurement?", and you answered "30.303030303030303030303030303 03 cm". Then, is length of the shakuhachis which came from Baekje about 54.5 cm? The answer is No.
The longest shakuhachi is 43.7 cm. And 43.7 cm are about 1 尺 8 寸 in 唐小尺 (Tang Dynasty measuring system). What will this mean?
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hifumiyoimunayakoto 2 years ago
"What will this mean?"
nothing. it only means the measuring system at the time maybe different. also, it's like calling any length of shakuhachi as just shakuhachi flute, even now. it only further proves the history of shakuhachi is far longer in korea.
selftrance 2 years ago
NARA means FLAT in Japan. Not Korean language. Stupid.
Don't you know 日本書紀 ?
And Silla 5 th King was Japanese.
Stupid fake historian parasite Ninja.
kuchibirukaranaihu 2 years ago
in your 日本書紀, i am sure it says what you want. does it also say to judge others as "stupid?" please elaborate. btw, when you spew out things like "Silla 5th King was Japanese," please be ready to back this up. i know your ancestors' tombs are very much like koreans. also, what do you mean by "stupid fake historian parasite Ninja?" you have made a lot of generalization. who is stupid? you? who is fake? you? who is the historian? what is parasite Ninja? please enlighten my dark side.
selftrance 2 years ago
Sorry I'll mistake. Silla 4 th King was Japanese. Not 5 th.
Don't you know 第4代脱解尼師今 ?
And The first silla king of Retainers was Japanese.
Don't you know 瓠公 ?
> i know your ancestors' tombs are very much like koreans.
Is that Kohun (古墳) style tombs ? The Origine of KOHUN TOMBS was Japan. Never Korea. In Korea too.
Because Japanese Kohun tombs OLDER THAN KOREA.
Stupid Shakuhachi liar.
kuchibirukaranaihu 2 years ago
as i was saying, please read others before only swallowing your government's texts and propaganda. just because one of "your" tombs differ in style a bit, it doesn't mean that all are different. study your history elsewhere other than in japan and you'll find out why your government doesn't want other tombs to be revealed. btw, you have still failed to elaborate on someone being "stupid" or "liar." you see, the world is not as you please. stay in japan. next name calling won't be tolerated.
selftrance 2 years ago
@taihuu25go
even after my warning, you have failed to respect the rules of this community and kept posting and making ethical slurs and unfound accusations. thereby, i am blocking you and deleting your comment. before i let you go, i must ask you. if japan were korea, do you think it would survive as it is? korea has been as best as she could. your ugly japanese is backfiring. it's just pure ugly and weak. it's evil and i don't condone evil. so, leave for good. spread your virus elsewhere.
selftrance 2 years ago
I cannot speak English.
It apologizes of it is not easy to read.
Is the meaning understood though several Japanese are angry because of here?
You seem not to understand.
mizututi 2 years ago
whosoever "angry" here should express the anger with the government and the education system of japan. this is a place where i introduce recently made bamboo flutes. call it shakuhachi if you want. in any case, learn your history well, otherwise please do not express your misguided education here unless you are willing to learn to learn the real truth. thanks.
selftrance 2 years ago
The origin of shakuhachi is dongxiao that is introduced to Japan in the age of China and Tang Dynasty.
It became a shakuhachi through the long tract of years.
It is not South Korea.
Tongsou of South Korea is introduced from China.
mizututi 2 years ago
it is also from china of tang dynasty. do you think it's the only time that the "shak," the bamboo flute came to the little island called japan? to your logic, everything is from china, including your bloodline and mine, right? so, what are you so afraid to admit that "your" bamboo stick is also from korea as well as china? is it because you were educated that way by your government along with a little bit of low self esteem? don't you realize you are your own contradiction? you guys are funny.
selftrance 2 years ago
you can't say also from it's from china. the modern piano is an italian invention, my girlfriends piano is a yamaha i won't say pianos are japanese because her piano happens to be japanese
scottbaioisdead 2 years ago
"you can't say also from it's from china.."
why not?
"piano is an italian invention"
whoever says shakuhachi is a chinese invention or japanese for that reason? also, what's a piano's brand name has anything to do with any "invention?"
selftrance 2 years ago
I think it is good that you love shakuhati.
However...........
Please say in "tongso" and Korean if you insist on the origin.
Why do you say in shakuhati ( Japanese)?
Please do not get on the culture of Japan.
Please do not steal the culture of another country.
Isn't it shameful?
mizututi 2 years ago
1st, it's not "tongso." it's called "toongso." also, if you know "your" shakuhachi and korean toongso, you wouldn't sound so imperialistic nor ignorant. it's not love or shame that i enjoy shak. it's not love or shame that i enjoy sushi. what is your damage when people appreciate "your" culture. are you that insignificant and insecure?
selftrance 2 years ago
Korean is insisting that all Japannese culture such as KENDO, JUDO, AIKIDO, SUMO, SAMURAI, NINJA, KATANA, UKIYOE, SADO, KABUKI, NOH, HAIKU and SUSHI etc are korean.
Korean is insisting that famous Japannese historical figures such as MUSASHI, LADY MURASAKI, HOKUSAI, HIROSHIGE UNKEI and ZEAMI etc are korean.
The cause is in the school training that Korean people receives wrong infomation that "The Japanese is always barbarous and uncivilized".
amebabameba 2 years ago 3
are you japanese or korean? from what i read, you sound like a korean, talking about korean did this or that. if you are japanese, please tell me about japan. btw, do you know how to play shakuhachi at least?
selftrance 2 years ago
mizututi...
Your absolutely incorrect about your claims.
Its the Japanese records that are saying some of this!
Don't you believe the Japanese historians, Museums and their records?
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
amebabameba...you too! Believe the Japanese history and their viewpoints. It may enlighten you as of what Japan say about Kudara and other influences.
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Are not you a typical Korean believing propaganda of URINARAMANSEI which the Korea government teaches?
Kudara is a race different from you.
Kudara was destroyed by Kokuryo. I took refuge in Japan whether the people of they Kudara were taken to China as a slave.
The Korean wrong thought is wrong education called "a single race following from the ancient times" by the Korea government.
The current Korean is the race that is near to Mongolia.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
SYAKUHATI kept by Shoso-in of Kyoto is shape unlike current SYAKUHATI.
As for Japanese SYAKUHATI, Japan evolved originally.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
What is Japanese people's DNA again? Wasn't it like almost half Chinese and half KOREAN?
Try lying to yourself and the propaganda in which OUR WONDERFUL & HONEST Japanese government has told us taihuu the wise one. So I guess Gaya and Kudara were not ancient Korea right? Your desperate lies are now obvious.
Can we lie to science and facts too taihuu and shame ourselves more?...Go ahead wise one. lol
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Watch this video and how the Japanese media lies about us. Its called "the roots of Japan"
/watch?v=-srlMQ9gBnk
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Your thought is excellent URINARAMANSEI.
I proved that the inspection that I used the DNA of mitochondria for began with Africa in the human origin.
It is the theory that was already denied in archeology.
The Japanese is done with the race that is near to a person and the Tibetan of the southern part in China by the detailed analysis of the current DNA.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
In addition, it is difficult to maintain a monas race continuing from the ancient times without any interference being done not separated by water Korea by the other races.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
When Korea was ruled by Mongolia, the Korean was forced mating with the Mongolian on. Therefore the Mongolian resembles a modern Korean closely.
But a Mongolian and a Chinese hate Korea.
The reason is because a Korean does not have process for cultures.
You reflect on the lie that you continue saying before saying a liar to me.
/watch?v=8LeEletsGkI
taihuu25go 2 years ago
Can I ask you how many time Koreans invaded Mangolia and China? How many times did Magolia and China invade Korea? If your half as smart and qualify as not being RETARDED, then maybe you should consider why should hate instead. Your not to smart are you oh wise taihuu?
One more thing...How many times has Korea invaded Japan? Can you tell me without lies how many time Japan has invaded or attempted to invade Korea?
Would you like more references for the world to research if I am lying?
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Would you also like to see how Asia fells towards us Japanese imperialistic people?
Of course they love us Japanese for all our culture exchange programs too right?
Shall I open more video on what wonderful things we have done all throughout asia?
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
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taihuu25go 2 years ago
China is the top in the country disliked from Asia.
However, the country which the China dislikes most is Korea.
I think that Korea has not attacked China.
Because the reason is because Korea was always frightened by the Chinese armaments.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
And there is only the history that Korea makes up to the country which is stronger than Korea, and was protected.
China / Mongolia /Russia / Japan / U.S.A.
（Therefore the Chinese calls a Korean a dog）
You introduce yourself as Choson. You should know that the name of the Korean country called Choson is a name granted by the Chinese emperor.
（It was assumed that the words called CHOSON were discrimination word in the Korean site, and it has been prohibited）
taihuu25go 2 years ago
do not intend to tell a lot of history here.
You go to the library of LA, and examine it by oneself. （I said two years ago）
Do not depend on a fool teaching only Korean propaganda on the Internet.
That fellow is not had anything to do with from a Korean in the Korean site either.
Oops.
You trust only a joke site of Kanawa.
taihuu25go 2 years ago
do you want others know of the ugly side of japan? is this a real intention, to lower the dignity of japan from what's left? look onto yourself before others. you'll be busy enough. if i see another doodle from you about generalization and stereotypes that induces ethnic hatred, you'll be ignored, meaning blocked. if you have a legit claim, please do so with a good manner and empirical evidences to back up your unfound and biased japanese imperialistic point of view in asia and world in general.
selftrance 2 years ago
selftrance, i have no hatred towards race my friend. I am both Korean and Japanese. If this isn;t clear, allow me to explain.
The racist claim I am only Korean and have attacked me and the little left dignity of Korea in general. I intent on bridging the countries with LEGIT history which comes from Japan. Now their tactics towards me in the past have not been the most polite.
This is all not from hatred..but for them to see the truth and not continue their ignorance.
I hope you believe me.
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
@ChosonNinja
of course i believe you. i commend your effort to bridge the gap between the nations, including korea and japan. your works are profound and i have a deep respect for you. i was making a comment on taihuu's unfound remark on someone being a dog or being a dog for someone. in any case, i hope all are good with you. God bless you.
selftrance 2 years ago
"I am both Korean and Japanese."
That's not the way it should be. Your mother speaks flawless Korean.
"Is ChosonNinja really half Japanese?"
/watch?v=UXKxUW7EQWI&feature=channel_page
YoshikoImaichi 2 years ago
And read the thread below.
"Greg's Particular...Ninja...TO! the Original Version"
/watch?v=sYg6hMNEZrY
Uffun400 says, "Your mom was speaking Korean in your video. What was she talking about?"
And you retort, "She asked for a battery charger."
Greg, you didn't try to deny the fact that the woman speaking Korean is your mother.
This says your mother is Korean. So, both of your parents are Korean and you're 100% Korean, nothing but a Korean.
YoshikoImaichi 2 years ago
saw this as well. nothing significant at all. if you keep on rambling your childish crapo here, it will only lower my views towards your beloved country called "japan." act like a japanese please, or are you being one already?
selftrance 2 years ago
yoshi, saw the video and i can't really tell myself. how could you, as a japanese, tell so well with just a half of second of audio? certainly, you don't wish us to believe you are without any bias? don't you realize that all your childish "efforts" are in vain? at least use the time for yourself.
selftrance 2 years ago
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What great logic you have. You must not be Japanese either because English is your second language right?
Your a phony too right? This of course is by your standards I say this.
Ain't I a genius? lol
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Not responsive.
Why not let her speak Japanese on YouTube? Then she would be cleared of suspicion.
YoshikoImaichi 2 years ago
LOL. So my mother has to come down to your demands and post avideo? Who do you think you are? Your suspicions now dictates what my mother has to do to prove to ignorant children with unfound accusations?
Even if she did, what other unjust attacks will you claim? You think I am stupid and put my mother through this?
You show your mother and your face first on video and have her say Hello to ChosonNinja and waste her time. Then I'll think about it asking her OKAY?
Fair enough?
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
So, you mean you admit your mother can't speak any Japanese. Is that right?
YoshikoImaichi 2 years ago
LOL.
Don't you wish she can not? That' s what should admit to.
Your childish and immature tactics are boring me Yoshikolmaichi.
Try these middle schools games on someone else. PLEASE!
ChosonNinja 2 years ago
Why are you so determined?
If she can't speak any Japanese, why don't you just say so?
YoshikoImaichi 2 years ago
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