Second American Revolution: Andrew Sandlin (4 of 4)

[junkkaddress]

Theonomists are NOT Christian. They are Judaizing heretics bent on making Christians look crazy. Christianity does NOT follow the Law of Moses which commands execution by the Israeli State for various sins. That's like 95% the point of Christianity, is the abrogation of Israel's National Law. These guys trying to make Israel's defunk law binding on everyone are NOT Christian.

[jcr4runner]

I think you should phrase it this way:

"God's Old Testament Law is not Christian."

That would clarify your antinomian views.

[Cabanas751Dunhill]

When a person says "I am a New Testament Christian", it should mean that he follows the New Covenant stated here in Hebrews 8:8-12, which the Hebrew writer quotes from Jeremiah 31:31-34.

[Jakemmx]

The islamic nations don't seem to happy, and they are probably the strongest believers in god around.... I really don't want the US to become a scientific desert like Pakistan.

[jcr4runner]

No, we don't.

Your point is ... ?

[Jakemmx]

That is the eventual goal of the fundamentalists, as it has been throughout history. They want to distroy all knowledge and people that threaten their beliefs.

[jcr4runner]

Strangely, I have met thousands of Christians and no one who terms themselves as a "fundamentalist."

And, unlike you, I actually know the definition of the term.

It was a movement of teh early 20th century based on five fundamental truths which all Christians believe in.

Can you list the five fundamentals?

[Jakemmx]

The first one is that thebible is TOTALLY without error. (just that is dangerous enough...)

The others are about jesus dying, intentionally, on the cross ... virgin birth (and that jesus is a diety) ... the ressurection ... and some other one (thought it had something to do with the miracles).

Most christians do not call themselves 'fundamentalists', but many/most of them agree with or support the ideas that thos people push (even if they don't support the people themselves)

[jcr4runner]

The difference is that fundamentlists interpret the whole Bible and Christianity through the grid of those five truths. We all agree that these are true so we don't think it's "dangerous." But I'd argue that fundamentalists limit the Gospel because they don't see the whole picture.

But as I said before, I've never met a Christian who called himself a fundamentalist, so I don't know why liberals go on perpetuating the myth.

[Jakemmx]

I consider any young-earth Christians, among other things, to be fundamentalist. You're definition may be different, but you can't claim these people are not supported. Look at the polls.

[jcr4runner]

How are your feelings on Old-Earth Creationists?

Do you consider them to be fundamentalists too?

Isn't it just your term of derision for evangelical Protestants in general?

[Jakemmx]

Old-Earth Creationists are at least not denying, and trying to disprove, a shockingly obvious FACT. I have no grudge against them, science does not have a terribly complete theory on abiogenisis at least.

[jcr4runner]

Yes, it's funny how spontaneous generation -- a physical impossibility -- is necessary in any naturalist biological model.

At least at some point, life had to come into being out of non-life.

[Jakemmx]

"a physical impossibility"

I would not go that far :)

I do understand why people would think so though.

[jcr4runner]

Why is it not a physical impossibility for everything to come out of nothing?

[Jakemmx]

We don't really have a good mechanism at the moment (for the big bang at least, everything else is quite solid and is definitly not 'everything comming out of nothing') ... but it is very likely that it will end up being (essentially) an infinite loop or even just a small part of a bigger space. The only other explanation is even more impossible.

[jcr4runner]

I have done some reading on the Big Bang in A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking -- one of the people who popularized it.

It's impossible according to physical models, but that is what the amount of dark matter left in the universe points to the Big Bang. It's an ex nihilo creation.

That's what biblical inerrantists believe too -- the difference being that we see the necessity for a Creator who existed outside of time and space to be the first cause.

[Exsecrabilis]

This guy sure knows how to make everything sound so sweet with multiple layers of frosting on the cake.

[BigDaddyGrim]

No matter how well intentioned - THIS particular attempt to make a moral society will fail because it is based on the morality of one doctrine which by its nature infers preference to a specific group of people in that society. This can only turn sour and create second class citizens. Morality can be found but it must be based on freedom of and and from all overpowering institutions and religions.

[oddcleon]

right on sophie and sean, that dude is scary and needs to go live in a george orwell book

[seantheiverson]

all people who find religious so important in the social system of life are the people who hold the prosper of everyday human lives from prospering and growing. keep religion to urself, stop trying to force it in others lives. The church is NOT more important than the state. No priest or pope can assemble an army and defend the nation from an attack. Stop trying to "enforce" the law of God as you'd like to. Leave those who do not want to fear God to go to hell

[SophieJKL]

Notice how he does not say who precisely "needs to be punished" and talks of being the enforcer. He also points out that he does not want radical social change like the "liberal opponents". How very Christian.