thank you for putting words in my mouth. i don't agree with wasteful animal sacrifice, but i do eat meat, and since you equated humans to animals i didn't feel that needed a response. if you have no problem with people who engage in human sacrifice, and you are genuinely confused as to why it's different than capital punishment or war, then frankly i don't think you qualify as a rational person, and could care less about any cause you're behind. Good luck getting anybody to take you seriously
Wasn't the Kingdom of Hawaii formed by conquering and subjugating surrounding tribes and claiming their land? I'd wager the lands of those Islands were stolen a few times over throughout their existence.
You are an idiot. Why don't we just divide up the world as much as possible?. why doesn't England give the welsh and the Scottish their land back? by your logic China should give the Shang dynasty its land back, no?. Russia should give all of its eastern possessions back to the snow. Vietnam should make South Vietnam an independent country. hell, why don't we all divide into the feudal clans that previously occupied our territory?
@crabwaffleman84 [ Why don't we just divide up the world as much as possible? ] of course we shouldn't, yet US keep making contradictory statement as if division would be better, that is the problem. US need to stop it dividing policies that serves no one. I believe learning about US history will help American understand why US policies need to change to reflect what US really is then to imply a false reality of what US is and demanding the world to do what is unrealistic and fantasy. eg.Israel
@crabwaffleman84 Scot and Wales have independence movements too, idk about the shang dynasty if that even exists anymore, that Russia one is just silly as is the vietnam one as SV was a french us puppet state. This is a legit movement with a legit history.
@crabwaffleman84 there are two types of people: people that point out why everyone else is unfair and cry *oppression!* for things that happened when they weren't even alive, and those who assess the world they live in and do the best with what they've been given. The people that change the world think forward, not backward.
ou can't shut the world out. If it hadn't been the US, it would have been Japan, China, Thailand, Russia, England, Spain, or any other sailing nation. It is unfortunate that the natives practiced human sacrifice, because that is one of the largest justifications of imperialism, as the aztecs can attest. Had it not been practiced, other nations probably would have respected the sovereignty of the islanders more, and would not have been able to so easily justify taking control of hawaii.
@JTKineticFlo. And what difference would it make if it was not the US? Just because one person may be different from others, does not mean his actions are the same if it was someone else.
@JTKineticFlo [ It is unfortunate that the natives practiced human sacrifice, because that is one of the largest justifications of imperialism, as the aztecs can attest. ] aztec don't live in US. that is kind of like saying white people should be remove from power because Hitler is white. you can't use one case to justify racism against an entire continent. furthermore, killing natives like animals and skinning them to set an example is hardly any better then human sacrifice.
@mrjamma no not talking about only hawaiian but general history of USA, the destiny manifest thing etc. US became what it is by uniting diverse group and land together. not by dividing group and land between different communities.
The problem with this reasoning is that it is based on the premise that the native peoples' indigenous practices were wrong. You might view human sacrifice as a religious practice as wrong, but the Hawaiians, Aztecs, Maori, and Ancient Celts regarded it as necessary for the continuation of existence. Also, Hawaii had practically attained the status as a European monarchy by the time the US illegally annexed it. The Kapu System was abolished by King Kamehameha II.
It all depends on where you were raised an by what culture raised you. You may think human sacrifice is wrong, and according to Western morality it is, but in cultures such as the Maya and Aztecs, the Celts, and many of the island nations of Polynesia, it was considered necessary for the continuation of life.
@TheKalihiMan it doesn't depend on anything. There are some acts that are wrong even if a culture says it's ok. The Maya, Aztecs, Celts, Polynesian Islanders, had many great aspects to their culture, but i'm pretty sure any unbiased, rational person would agree that human sacrifice wasn't one of them. It shouldn't take "Western morality" to arrive at this conclusion. Try reading "the Lottery" some time.
Do you justify war? Capital punishment? (This isn't a rhetorical question, by the way). Are you against killing people in general, or just against it if it is for a religious reason? What about animal sacrifice? Animals aren't much different from humans, so are you less offended by it?
@TheKalihiMan I can't and won't justify all wars, but how else do you stop people like Hitler or Qaddafi? Capital punishment may not be appropriate to all situations, but at least it's a response to some heinous crime. There's no good reason for human sacrifice, in ANY circumstance. Who defends human sacrifice by deflective comparison to capital punishment and war, both of which are much less preventable than tossing random people into volcanoes? Get sane, please!
@TheKalihiMan You want to see some people who are really oppressed, flip on the news and check out what's happening in Syria. Try going over there, where people are dying in the thousands for speaking out against the government, and tell them you're oppressed like they are, and that their war no different from human sacrifice.
You said that killing people can be the right solution given the right circumstances, right? So exactly what are the right circumstances? I personally wouldn't engage in human sacrifice, but as long as it's voluntary, I have no problem with other people doing it. I never said I was oppressed, and you never answered my question about animal sacrifice. You also fail to see the motives behind human sacrifice.
@UnitedStatesForces fair enough, pretty much every power from the dawn of time has tried to do that. The bible, for example, is full of them. However, being that we are a civil soceity, and in the sprit of progress and reconsiliation, it is in my opinion we should make refroms like this to ensure that the native peoples or 1st peoples, have a voice in the system and a purpose like the maori in new zealand.. This shoulod be done in Canada, Aus, USA, etc. Hawaii especailly.
@KangaKucha Although imho, the only thing for Hawaii is some form of indepdence along with other us overseas territories. I'd recamend something on the order of what happened in my country Australia, in which we became a semi indepedent dominon in 1901,and from there we evoled in a more indepedent country that will some day be free of the british monarchy. Hawaii, along with other us pasific territories, should also do the same, and there frist "GG" should be the hawaiian monarch.
@KangaKucha Does that mean you are going to give the Aborigines the same chance of being a semi independent dominion? Or do you only mean that when it does not affect your country?
@disciple68 Yes and No, because the aboriginals are australians, and they desreved there own state or at least reps in both houses of parliment to repesent them. They don't need, nor do a majority desire, a seperate country, as this is their country, we just need to refrom for them. Hawaii is a totally different culture from the USA, and was illegally taken over, therfore needs indepedence as India did. Whether Aus, Hawaii, etc is my country is irrelevent, I have a right to my opinion.
@KangaKucha free from any national bias, or the like. My views didn't develop because I am an Aussie, or Yank, etc. In aus, we don;t have aboriginal electiorates yet, but I want them because I have seen NZ do it for the Maori, and imho, that has helped them achieve a better lifestyle than would have otherwise been the case, and in rare times when elections yet close results, they have been the balance of power in parliment, and been able to benefit their people as well as the country.
@KangaKucha Isn't Australia's relationship with Great Britain, similar to Canada's. In Canada we have maintained The Queen as our Head of State as a quaint tradition. Britain has no actual authority, or influence in how Canada is governed. Is this not the same as you have in Australia?
@oodnac atm yes, and that's what I;m sujestting for Hawaii to start off with, be it a lit differently. It can then evolve as Canada and Australia did, and one day, we will all be independent republics on our own.
@KangaKucha not only that, all settler colonies should have the remaining native peoples have there own electional divisions so that they always have a group of delegates to repesent them in goverment, not just have some lobby group do it for them. Native peoples that have been lost to this should be honored with memorials and the like.
...I think another thing that's interesting is to watch the scramble by so many here to justify the actions of their empire. What's stated here is a more valid version of "the truth" than you are used to seeing. Get used to it... this is a repeated theme that continues STILL today! From the looks of it (Lakota withdrawal form treatise) many have had enough. Let's watch & see what happens...
If an advanced people were to descend upon us all and claim that we have no claim to ANY of this and have no rights and no value as sentient being (because we do not worship their "true God"), I don't think any of us would see them as right. Indeed we would not call ourselves terrorists if we resisted we would call ourselves something like freedom fighters. Good video!
Even though it was wrong for the US to illegally occupy Hawaii,but if the us didn't do it,the Japanese would have done it because the Japanese had imperial fever and wanted Hawaii as well.
My comment is taken from precolonisation, of first nation peoples. Though your comment is valid. Where does one begin? should we not the first nation of peoples be addressed first? I come from a country of related history, acknowledging the wrongs addressed to the first nation is the first step to addressing the wrongs of all nations of a people that reside in a country. This action will not negate people who by free choice or force choose to live in the Hawaiian Islands. do you not think?
Facts are facts Hawaii was stolen and conquered illegally by a country that has used the same tactics throughout history. The most honourable and just! task to take is to acknowledge this injustice. And to heal!!! the answers needed should come from the indigenous peoples of Hawaii themselves for this is their lives, their land and their country.
@wens9098. Don't forget other races too! The Kingdom of Hawaii was a multi-ethnic nation. It was not all comprised of Native Hawaiians. There were all other races too. All lived under the same equality and nationality. Native Hawaiians are not the only victims in this circuamstance. Everyone in Hawaii regardless of their race has been victims. And is still the victim. Even though Native Hawaiians have been targeted more, nevertheless, theres no difference because in general, all are victims.
Again, so you're saying that everyone who is not an ethnic Polynesian should pack their bags? Because IF we grant that Hawaii is occupied, then the only thing for it is for the United States to quit Hawaii. Since there would not be diplomatic relations between Hawaii and the United States, it would behoove all Americans living in Hawaii to quit the island and for all American companies to divest themselves of any property they hold in Hawaii. Are you prepared for that?
@ladyfractal. No. I did not say that. And that is not going to happen. The Kingdom of Hawaii was a multi-ethnic nation. Everyone had equal rights and the freedom to do anything. Anyone could become a citizen. It did not matter of your race. Anyone could apply to become a Hawaiian citizen Theres no racial bigotry, or division of anyone. Everyone lived in peace and happyness towards eachother. And Hawaii did had diplomatic relations with the U.S. along with other numerous countries.
So are you suggesting that Hawaii secede from the United States? Are you prepared to see everyone who is not an ethnic Polynesian forcibly ejected from Hawaii? If not, then what does it mean to say that Hawaii is an 'occupied nation'? Think carefully about this. There's rhetoric and then there's reality. If you consider Hawaii an occupied nation and you would like to see the United States leave this 'nation' then what?
@ladyfractal. No. Its not saying that Hawaii needs to "secede" from the "Union" because its not part of the United States LEGALLY. It is OFFICIALLY, but in terms of legality, it is NOT. Reason why it is "occupied" is because theres no adoption papers. In other words, no treaty! No treaty to prove that Hawaii is legal U.S. soverign territory. So under Internatioanl Law, that's called occupation. And it still is.
@UniteHawaii That was pretty much what I was about to say except that the rich whites that came turned the Native Hawaiians poor only the rich, industrialist, and businessmen.
@korbykable. Well, I wouldn't say that that was the beginning of the doom for all Native Hawaiians. Although I guess you can say that because that was true after the "fake" annixation of 1898. But all of us, including those back then, are victims in Hawaii regardless of our race.
@ladyfractal Consider this, At least other peoples who have migrated have a country to go back to, USA is pictured to have limitless land so Americans will not be without and neither will anyone else. Ancient Indigenous Hawaiians were prosperous prior to illegal take over from USA. The questions is how will the USA people survive without the billions of dollars in profit they gain from the industry built up around culture and beaches
So you're telling me that everyone that lived in Hawaii in 1959 should not have been given the right to vote on statehood BUT illegal immigrants that reside in the US SHOULD have the same rights as legal citizens?
@TheStoryIsOver. If I may say, what difference would it make? Japan, America. It would not matter! But for fact, Japan had strong diplomatic relations with Hawaii. Secondly, the Japanese embassy was one of other embassys in Honolulu to issue a letter of protest against the U.S. invasion! And thirdly, the Japanese government itself was willing to help out Her Majesty. But despite all that and if Japan DID invade Hawaii, it would not make any difference then what the U.S. had done.
The U.S., Take what ever you want and whoever stands in your way, just call em "Terrorist" . The U.S. would love for the Hawaiian Nationals to become "Terrorist" so their Army can take them out as well. Many of the Hawaiian Nationals have been pushed back against the wall for too long. I hope some Hawaiian National "Terrorist" does something soon. Its just cause and effect . To most of you visitors, yes you do look hilarious and out of place in Hawaii, just like a hawaiian does in America.
@sitrucmleh. Hmm. I think I would agree with that too--the U.S. wanting Hawaiians (Nationals) becoming "terrorist" because they know of what their fighting for, they will lose. Not only the fight, but the support of the people of Hawaii entirely. And I hope in general, no acts of terrorism happens with reguard to restore Hawaii! The consequences I fear are unimagineable. Especially to the people of Hawaii!
@sitrucmleh Yeah I don't want a violent independence more like Martin Luther King Jr. But yep Americans look so out of place in Hawaii. You can spot them any time. But I would feel weird seeing them so long then all of them gone but still
Very well done Pinky. I am impressed by your research, organization, and presentation. Your video is simple, direct, to the point and very informative. Please keep making these videos and I look forward to watching your future presentations. I'm a fan.
@KKKSuperFan According to Dr. Keanu sai who's doctoral dissertation was on this very topic, Hawai'i is illegally occupied. Since annexation requires the consent of both legitimate parties to be valid when we look at the facts the only conclusion is Hawaii is still independent as a matter of law both international, Hawaiian, and under US constitutional Law and American Jurisprudence. see more here w w w2 DOT hawaii DOT edu SLASH ~ anu SLASH sorry you tube no likes web links
@DoctorOblivion1 You do realize that an American having children makes them an American citizen, whether they were born on a spaceship, etc. Renunciation of citizenship is a process you need to do to make you un-American.
@DoctorOblivion1 So according to Indonesian law, through marriage Barry, a step-child was able to gain citizenship? But still Americans don't lose citizenship.
@DoctorOblivion1 Do you have to work at being that wrong, or does it come naturally? I suggest you read the Indonesian Nationality Law - what you have said is nonsense, and it would only take about 10 minutes of actual research (and not reading moronic web forums) to figure that out. There was NO WAY that Obama could obtain Indonesian citizenship via his mother's marriage to an Indonesian national.
@KurtRussell1963 Actually it doesn't say that at all. it says that: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. I remember reading about it b/c this doesn't address the issue for people like McCain, that they were a natural born citizen but it doesn't refer to jus sanguinis at all. That's what I've been looking into but can't get the answers.
@mamoahina A natural born citizen IS a person born on American Soil. This is WHY Schwarzeneggar was ruled out as a potential US President. This is why people argued that McCain shouldn't be able to run & the reason why people questioned if Obama was really born in Hawaii or not.
@KurtRussell1963 Right, but you're telling me things I learned nearly 3 decades ago. I already know this stuff b/c the constitution mentions who is eligible for presidency, which automatically rules out the ex spouse of Maria S. But I'm questioning what exactly is a natural born citizen? B/c the constitution DOES NOT specify what that is. I'll give you another 3 weeks or so to reply. And last I check, Hawaii is NOT American soil. Might as well make Iraq American soil too.
@mamoahina Well true it dies not say EXACTLY but it does infer that the person was born in what is naturally considered US territory. Obama was born in Hawaii? Well in 1961 the US was a State but then again if Hawaii was illegally brought into the Union then it is not & he is not. At this point I am more concerned with WHO is controlling the media & why they won't address the corruption of all of the last 50 years of all the Presidents no matter their party affiliation.
@mamoahina Hawaii is American soil. Hawaii is a state, legally and properly admitted to the union no matter its status as an illegally occupied foreign nation prior to that date. "Last you checked" means nothing, since you haven't checked. You've just examined what you wish were true, and declared it to be "real," and then discounted what you would rather were not true, and labeled it "fake."
@lawyerly Right. LEGALLY? In 2 instances the Dept. of Justice questioned by what power did Congress have to annex the isles. That's b/c there IS NO treaty. So LEGALLY it isn't part of the union. Actually, we HAVE proof, so as far as checking, no need to check b/c we have proof of it not existing & other docs (as I've stated) that questioned by what means congress had, meaning it had no power.
@lawyerly BTW, as far as checking, I've been dealing w/ ignorant people w/ this very issue since the early 90s. This is probably new to you. YOu don't make sense saying its status as an illegally occupied "foreign" nation prior to that date. What date? Are you even vaguely familiar w/ int'l law? No. Constitutional law? No. I don't care if you don't want to accept the facts but saying/responding here just to make urself look good, doesn't fool anyone here.
@lawyerly And I know that the only reason you're replying is b/c you're taking this personally. Stating facts are nothing but that, but you think it's an attack on your own identity. You need to put down that Ego & just look at the facts! If you disagree, then ok but stop replying to me saying that I haven't checked recently. I work on this stuff, how can I not check it recently?
@mamoahina Sigh. You spout a flood of nonsense, make silly assumptions about me based on nothing, and then preempt any possible answer by predicting that I will take your adorable attacks personally, when of course your words are like the buzzing of flies to me.
I am an attorney. I have extensive professional experience in international public law, and I've studied issues related to border disputes in great detail, enough to conclude that you haven't the least idea what you're talking about.
@mamoahina Now, to make it simple enough for you to understand: even if Hawaii were illegally occupied, there is nothing to prevent the citizens of a foreign nation from applying directly to Congress for statehood, or to prevent Congress from accepting such an application. That's what happened in the cases of Texas and California. So even if Hawaii were still an independent state in 1959, upon a proper application for statehood it became a part of the USA.
@mamoahina Further, because all sovereignty ultimately derives from the people, and because the former government of Hawaii had completely ceased to exist by the 1950s, there was no other recognizable sovereign that could dispute the claim to legitimacy of the application for statehood, unless one agreed to dispossess all of the non-indigenous Hawaiians who took part in the vote, and that would be a wrongful act in itself.
@KurtRussell1963 Wrong, sorry. All kinds of people born abroad are natural born citizens, including (for instance) a child born to American parents abroad who is not eligible for the citizenship of the state where he was born.
@lawyerly Um sorry NOT wrong otherwise AH-nult would have run for the Prez office. Of course people born of American parents are always citizens but what is NATURAL BORN is the Q.
@KurtRussell1963 Are you illiterate? Did Schwarzenegger have American parents? No, he became an American citizen by being naturalized when he was an adult. Your comment has so little to do with the topic you raised that I wonder whether you are able to understand what's happening.
@rattytheraccoon Yes I did. If you are somehow implying that I am a McCain supported then that assumption would be INCORRECT. I scrutinized him as well.
@Ferashilal they cover that topic separately in another video, the truth is illegal occupation is the name of the game now since America was hijacked years ago by the banking elites. check out George Gordon DOT org for more on this topic, he not only covers the issue of Palestine being illegally occupied but covers the reason, and what we as individuals can do about it legally and peacefully.
Watching the first few minutes of this video, I already found errors. The "doctrines" raises only applied to Spain and Portugal. England was not subject to the Pope. So, why would those doctrines apply to England? Or, later, the United States.
The Constitution is SILENT as to annexation. There is no requirement of a 2/3rds vote.
The Constitution barely discusses admission to the Union (read Article IV, section 3). Thus, the annexation and admission is perfectly legal.
@Timasion The Constitution of the United States requires supermajorities in order for certain significant actions to occur, in that case, a two-thirds vote is requied. To begin with though the overthorw was illegal and used with military force upon the King and then the Queen.
@Timasion Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur." Google United States Senate: Art and History.
@hawaiianguy2991 Check your history. We have never annexed through treaty before. Texas (which was a separate nation for 10 years before annexation). It was also passed through a resolution. California was also annexed through resolution. This is considered perfectly legal (see DeLima v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 1 (1901)).
@hawaiianguy2991 Again, you should check with history. First, Hawaii was not under occupation at the time of annexation. Second, annexation by join resolution has been ruled to be legal by the US Supreme Court. As I pointed out, no other similar annexation was done by treaty. Why would you do it differently this time?
@Timasion I just answered your question, only under the country of origin's boundaries is a joint resoultion legal. And I never said Hawaii was under occupation at the time of annexation, they were never annexed and thus is an occupied soverign nation till this day.
@hawaiianguy2991 Your first sentence is obviously not correct. Texas, at the time of annexation, was a separate nation. It was annexed by joint resolution. Puerto Rico was under Spanish control when it was annexed by joint resolution. So, obviously, joint resolutions have power outside the US boundaries. Your second sentence is contradictory. If it was not occupied at the time of annexation, then the annexation is perfectly legal and Hawai'i is currently not an occupied sovereign nation.
@hawaiianguy2991 If you cannot cite your proofs upon request, then your argument is invalid. I have provided you with proofs, both historical and legal to establish that the annexation by joint resolution has been regarded as perfectly legal. You have not provided a single proof to establish your claim.
While I may not agree with the acts, under the current framework, they are legal and Hawai'i is a state of the United States.
@hawaiianguy2991 Actually, yes. It's called precedence. Our entire legal system is based on that idea. Until a precedence is overturned, it is the law.
@hawaiianguy2991 I love it when people who know nothing about the laws, and who are too lazy to learn, make silly assumptions about how things work based on how they think those things SHOULD work. Dude, you don't just get to make up rules about two thirds majorities and then decide that your own made-up rules apply to the real world. If the USA used illegal force against the Hawaiian dictators, then it's for the dictator to sue for redress. But his line is extinct.
@lawyerly I'm sorry, but I don't make up rules, I follow them. Just because your bias doesn't mean you shouldn't get to know both sides of the story and actually get all the "FACTS" straight.....
@hawaiianguy2991 "You're biased." They stopped teaching grammar at Kamehameha again?
Actually, I'm not biased. I don't care about Hawaii, and I don't care about American sovereignty over those useless bunch of rocks in the Pacific. But if you're going to make legal claims, make sure you've got them right.
@lawyerly We got ourselves a grammar "professional".......... Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur." In this case, a treaty of annexation and joint resolution were used. Google United States Senate: Art and History.
@lawyerly YOUR CALLING IT DICTATORS? COME ON SERIOUSLY WOW. IT IS CALLED MONARCHY GET IT IN YOUR HEAD YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS A DICTIONARY HITLER WAS A DICTATOR YOU !@$#%@%^
lol that last part (YOU @$@$#D$#) was just a joke BUT BEFORE THAT WASNT
Obama may be from Hawai'i but he is not a NATIVE Hawaiian so it really doesn't have an effect on Hawai'i
I wish we could take this to the UN but unfortunately we would need a representative sitting on the UN's board, something we don't have because of the UN rejecting it
Hawaiians should take all of the documented proof before the United Nations and show the video sequence that you have shown, to put Hawaii back on the list of decolonization. :)
I am a Texan, and Texan's are always spouting about how we were once a independent nation and we can separate if we wanted to. I chuckle about it and remind them that financially we'd be screwed if we did. Although your video presentation makes me wonder if Texas was obtained harshly as Hawaii was. But we all can admit that the Indian territories were illegally taken and colonized forcefully. I have Cherokee blood, and I often think the same for them.
Wow... I looked at the 1993 apology and the scanned documents.. and I as a single American outside of any political agenda... Apologize to all Hawaiians. I can see footprints of how you were assimilated and that's just wrong. I hope you gain your independence if you truly want it. I only suggest that you consider whether being separated will be a benefit to you, or a hindrance. Either way, The native people of Hawaii, and not just the 'citizens of Caucasians' born there.. should decide.
@Robiwrestler- you really need to educate yourself. YOU HAVE NO PROOF... but WE DO... Hawai'i is illegaly occupied by the U.S.A...... and of course the U.S has ruled out that Hawai'is annexation could be invalid because they will not admit that they did it illegaly and that they are CRIMINALS.. DUH
"Why should the Palatine Boors [Germans] be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion."
@Robiwrestler. There are documents to prove it. Such as the electional ballot of the 1959 election--No option for free association or full independence. And the United Nations has ruled out that Hawaii's annexation to the United States could be invalid.
Hawaiians do benefit from being assimilated into the United States, surely? There are a lot of tourists and tourist dollars coming from Stateside. American culture being easily taken to by the younger generations of locals. It is not all a bad thing.
Now Obama hails from Hawaii and he has become President of the whole of US.
This video was created to enlighten you of the real history of Hawai'i. As a Kanaka Maoli I care not for what non Kanaka Maoli think we as a people should do about our lands.
These vids are really intellectually stimulating but nationalism trumps internationalism/globalism or 'we' vs 'us and them'. Hawaii is part of america. we aren't ever giving back any of the lands. Hawaii is a base for america's military who fight to protect ppl like you so you can sit @ a comp and create these vids. This is our country right or wrong, don't like it then leave. b4 I get put in a nice preconception. I protested the iraq war, voted for obama, am liberal, patriotic and in USarmy.
No give backs. China will never give up Tibet or any of the other territories it has in modern day china. Hawaii is a US state, culturally and historically. There was no international law back then. RealPolitik is the order of the day. America is indivisble. We should add states Puerto Rico,Guam, etc. Africa went to shit post-colonialism because they didn't have the institutions to build stable states. They try to leave the union and I'll ship out with an M16 instead of going to afpak. USarmy.
ww2 bankrupted and destroyed the old world. colonialism became a big no-no with the advent of US and USSR super powers. It ended up being about money and power combating different views by a new generation.
@atlasimpala I agree. The US should grant Hawaii its independence and cut off all aid and support. I especially like the idea of booting four Democrats out of Congress.
One thing that does aggravate me about this program is that how it gives a light of greed to the places of interest that the US has sent some form of support to, whether it be in the form of troops, supplies, firearms, or funds. Some of those places such as Bosnia, Cambodia, Congo, etc. have been known to be a hot bed of genocide. That is one of the reasons that the US had presence there. It disappoints me to see this program telling of how we wasted troops to save 3rd world citizens lives.
@MrBuckshot7894 It is very harsh that these events have made a deep impact on some of our lives but the truth is that the US does everything for their own profit in some way. Pure and simple.
With everything set aside, if it were NOT for the US colonizing Hawai'i, then the Japanese would of taken it over. In turn this could of led to the downfall of the US during WW2 because we would of not had a large mid-Pacific port. Also, if you want to complain about how man conquers other land, then one must go back to the very instincts of man: superiority of others. I am not saying it is right, but more or less just in our nature.
The European colonies in Africa and Asia became independent after WWII,because especially in European nations after the war were in shambles and had no power nor the $ to colonize those parts of the world so that's where independence comes from.
copy and paste to 5 videos for the sake of the beautiful islands of Hawai'i and its former kingdom.if you do then good will come upon you.trust me.Hawai'i wwas stolen by the U.S. e ola ka lahui Hawai'i
I'm from the US and love it as well. But the US foreign policy needs to be changed just to get into the 21st century and not the to think like the 19th century.
Wow, I got turned on to this by Juice Media's Rap News. I had never heard this before. I believe the vast majority of this is true. It was well researched or done by people who already know their history. I now understand better who so many native Hawaiians hate Caucasians.
@1zianalioness no, great britain is the island of england, scotland, wales. Northern Ireland is on the island of Ireland, with a border with the republic of Ireland. the 4 countries are the UK.
As with most videos from this author, the argument is slanted so far to the left, they convienently miss some other historic facts that remove much credibility of the argument they intend to make. The ruling power prior to the U.S. was there by force, and not via the will of the people, as were the previous rulers, which came into power through force. Hawaii had been conquered many times.
thank you for putting words in my mouth. i don't agree with wasteful animal sacrifice, but i do eat meat, and since you equated humans to animals i didn't feel that needed a response. if you have no problem with people who engage in human sacrifice, and you are genuinely confused as to why it's different than capital punishment or war, then frankly i don't think you qualify as a rational person, and could care less about any cause you're behind. Good luck getting anybody to take you seriously
JTKineticFlo 4 days ago
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Wasn't the Kingdom of Hawaii formed by conquering and subjugating surrounding tribes and claiming their land? I'd wager the lands of those Islands were stolen a few times over throughout their existence.
With that said, yeah, it was illegal.
Tubewyn 1 week ago
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Tubewyn 1 week ago
fucking history homework man....
supaaathlete 1 month ago
You are an idiot. Why don't we just divide up the world as much as possible?. why doesn't England give the welsh and the Scottish their land back? by your logic China should give the Shang dynasty its land back, no?. Russia should give all of its eastern possessions back to the snow. Vietnam should make South Vietnam an independent country. hell, why don't we all divide into the feudal clans that previously occupied our territory?
crabwaffleman84 1 month ago
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@crabwaffleman84 [ Why don't we just divide up the world as much as possible? ] of course we shouldn't, yet US keep making contradictory statement as if division would be better, that is the problem. US need to stop it dividing policies that serves no one. I believe learning about US history will help American understand why US policies need to change to reflect what US really is then to imply a false reality of what US is and demanding the world to do what is unrealistic and fantasy. eg.Israel
akinkhoo 1 month ago
@crabwaffleman84 Your suggestions sound like a good start. At the begining of your post I didn't feel I would agree with you.
oodnac 1 month ago
@crabwaffleman84 Scot and Wales have independence movements too, idk about the shang dynasty if that even exists anymore, that Russia one is just silly as is the vietnam one as SV was a french us puppet state. This is a legit movement with a legit history.
KangaKucha 1 month ago
@crabwaffleman84 there are two types of people: people that point out why everyone else is unfair and cry *oppression!* for things that happened when they weren't even alive, and those who assess the world they live in and do the best with what they've been given. The people that change the world think forward, not backward.
JTKineticFlo 1 week ago
I clicked for the Cat :S
HetaliaFanHawaii 1 month ago
Her voice is heartwarming, great video
jimmy202500 1 month ago
good sound
namnp15 2 months ago
ou can't shut the world out. If it hadn't been the US, it would have been Japan, China, Thailand, Russia, England, Spain, or any other sailing nation. It is unfortunate that the natives practiced human sacrifice, because that is one of the largest justifications of imperialism, as the aztecs can attest. Had it not been practiced, other nations probably would have respected the sovereignty of the islanders more, and would not have been able to so easily justify taking control of hawaii.
JTKineticFlo 2 months ago
@JTKineticFlo. And what difference would it make if it was not the US? Just because one person may be different from others, does not mean his actions are the same if it was someone else.
UniteHawaii 2 months ago
@JTKineticFlo [ It is unfortunate that the natives practiced human sacrifice, because that is one of the largest justifications of imperialism, as the aztecs can attest. ] aztec don't live in US. that is kind of like saying white people should be remove from power because Hitler is white. you can't use one case to justify racism against an entire continent. furthermore, killing natives like animals and skinning them to set an example is hardly any better then human sacrifice.
akinkhoo 1 month ago
@akinkhoo are you talking about Hawaiian's? you need to look more into your statement if so, its not true
mrjamma 3 weeks ago in playlist The Pinky Show
@mrjamma no not talking about only hawaiian but general history of USA, the destiny manifest thing etc. US became what it is by uniting diverse group and land together. not by dividing group and land between different communities.
akinkhoo 2 weeks ago
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The problem with this reasoning is that it is based on the premise that the native peoples' indigenous practices were wrong. You might view human sacrifice as a religious practice as wrong, but the Hawaiians, Aztecs, Maori, and Ancient Celts regarded it as necessary for the continuation of existence. Also, Hawaii had practically attained the status as a European monarchy by the time the US illegally annexed it. The Kapu System was abolished by King Kamehameha II.
TheKalihiMan 1 month ago
@TheKalihiMan If you can't call human sacrifice wrong, whether or not is in an "indigenous practice", maybe you should rethink your priorities.
JTKineticFlo 1 week ago
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It all depends on where you were raised an by what culture raised you. You may think human sacrifice is wrong, and according to Western morality it is, but in cultures such as the Maya and Aztecs, the Celts, and many of the island nations of Polynesia, it was considered necessary for the continuation of life.
TheKalihiMan 1 week ago
@TheKalihiMan it doesn't depend on anything. There are some acts that are wrong even if a culture says it's ok. The Maya, Aztecs, Celts, Polynesian Islanders, had many great aspects to their culture, but i'm pretty sure any unbiased, rational person would agree that human sacrifice wasn't one of them. It shouldn't take "Western morality" to arrive at this conclusion. Try reading "the Lottery" some time.
JTKineticFlo 1 week ago
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Do you justify war? Capital punishment? (This isn't a rhetorical question, by the way). Are you against killing people in general, or just against it if it is for a religious reason? What about animal sacrifice? Animals aren't much different from humans, so are you less offended by it?
TheKalihiMan 1 week ago
@TheKalihiMan I can't and won't justify all wars, but how else do you stop people like Hitler or Qaddafi? Capital punishment may not be appropriate to all situations, but at least it's a response to some heinous crime. There's no good reason for human sacrifice, in ANY circumstance. Who defends human sacrifice by deflective comparison to capital punishment and war, both of which are much less preventable than tossing random people into volcanoes? Get sane, please!
JTKineticFlo 5 days ago
@TheKalihiMan You want to see some people who are really oppressed, flip on the news and check out what's happening in Syria. Try going over there, where people are dying in the thousands for speaking out against the government, and tell them you're oppressed like they are, and that their war no different from human sacrifice.
JTKineticFlo 5 days ago
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You said that killing people can be the right solution given the right circumstances, right? So exactly what are the right circumstances? I personally wouldn't engage in human sacrifice, but as long as it's voluntary, I have no problem with other people doing it. I never said I was oppressed, and you never answered my question about animal sacrifice. You also fail to see the motives behind human sacrifice.
TheKalihiMan 5 days ago
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@TheKalihiMan If you can't call human sacrifice wrong, whether or not is in an "indigenous practice", maybe you should rethink your priorities.
JTKineticFlo 1 week ago
@UnitedStatesForces fair enough, pretty much every power from the dawn of time has tried to do that. The bible, for example, is full of them. However, being that we are a civil soceity, and in the sprit of progress and reconsiliation, it is in my opinion we should make refroms like this to ensure that the native peoples or 1st peoples, have a voice in the system and a purpose like the maori in new zealand.. This shoulod be done in Canada, Aus, USA, etc. Hawaii especailly.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
@KangaKucha Although imho, the only thing for Hawaii is some form of indepdence along with other us overseas territories. I'd recamend something on the order of what happened in my country Australia, in which we became a semi indepedent dominon in 1901,and from there we evoled in a more indepedent country that will some day be free of the british monarchy. Hawaii, along with other us pasific territories, should also do the same, and there frist "GG" should be the hawaiian monarch.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
@KangaKucha Does that mean you are going to give the Aborigines the same chance of being a semi independent dominion? Or do you only mean that when it does not affect your country?
disciple68 2 months ago
@disciple68 Yes and No, because the aboriginals are australians, and they desreved there own state or at least reps in both houses of parliment to repesent them. They don't need, nor do a majority desire, a seperate country, as this is their country, we just need to refrom for them. Hawaii is a totally different culture from the USA, and was illegally taken over, therfore needs indepedence as India did. Whether Aus, Hawaii, etc is my country is irrelevent, I have a right to my opinion.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
@KangaKucha free from any national bias, or the like. My views didn't develop because I am an Aussie, or Yank, etc. In aus, we don;t have aboriginal electiorates yet, but I want them because I have seen NZ do it for the Maori, and imho, that has helped them achieve a better lifestyle than would have otherwise been the case, and in rare times when elections yet close results, they have been the balance of power in parliment, and been able to benefit their people as well as the country.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
@KangaKucha Isn't Australia's relationship with Great Britain, similar to Canada's. In Canada we have maintained The Queen as our Head of State as a quaint tradition. Britain has no actual authority, or influence in how Canada is governed. Is this not the same as you have in Australia?
oodnac 1 month ago
@oodnac atm yes, and that's what I;m sujestting for Hawaii to start off with, be it a lit differently. It can then evolve as Canada and Australia did, and one day, we will all be independent republics on our own.
KangaKucha 1 month ago
one thing that should happen in Hawaii is that the natives should have there own repesentives in the congress, and hawaiian legsature.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
@KangaKucha not only that, all settler colonies should have the remaining native peoples have there own electional divisions so that they always have a group of delegates to repesent them in goverment, not just have some lobby group do it for them. Native peoples that have been lost to this should be honored with memorials and the like.
KangaKucha 2 months ago
...I think another thing that's interesting is to watch the scramble by so many here to justify the actions of their empire. What's stated here is a more valid version of "the truth" than you are used to seeing. Get used to it... this is a repeated theme that continues STILL today! From the looks of it (Lakota withdrawal form treatise) many have had enough. Let's watch & see what happens...
Shawniimush 2 months ago
If an advanced people were to descend upon us all and claim that we have no claim to ANY of this and have no rights and no value as sentient being (because we do not worship their "true God"), I don't think any of us would see them as right. Indeed we would not call ourselves terrorists if we resisted we would call ourselves something like freedom fighters. Good video!
Shawniimush 2 months ago
Italy should have never been as imperialist because they were pussies by turning their back on Germany when Italy surrendered to the Allies.
98bigbutt 2 months ago
Even though it was wrong for the US to illegally occupy Hawaii,but if the us didn't do it,the Japanese would have done it because the Japanese had imperial fever and wanted Hawaii as well.
98bigbutt 2 months ago
@98bigbutt if you illegally take a car before someone else does, does that make it right or legal?
mrjamma 3 weeks ago
non profit my ass
gynecolog1st 3 months ago
My comment is taken from precolonisation, of first nation peoples. Though your comment is valid. Where does one begin? should we not the first nation of peoples be addressed first? I come from a country of related history, acknowledging the wrongs addressed to the first nation is the first step to addressing the wrongs of all nations of a people that reside in a country. This action will not negate people who by free choice or force choose to live in the Hawaiian Islands. do you not think?
wens9098 3 months ago
CORRECT CORRECT CORRECT if I had to say how many times it was correct it would be a paragraph long CORRECT
korbykable 3 months ago 2
At 2:50 she could have just said #1 is officially and #2 is legally
korbykable 3 months ago
Facts are facts Hawaii was stolen and conquered illegally by a country that has used the same tactics throughout history. The most honourable and just! task to take is to acknowledge this injustice. And to heal!!! the answers needed should come from the indigenous peoples of Hawaii themselves for this is their lives, their land and their country.
wens9098 3 months ago
@wens9098. Don't forget other races too! The Kingdom of Hawaii was a multi-ethnic nation. It was not all comprised of Native Hawaiians. There were all other races too. All lived under the same equality and nationality. Native Hawaiians are not the only victims in this circuamstance. Everyone in Hawaii regardless of their race has been victims. And is still the victim. Even though Native Hawaiians have been targeted more, nevertheless, theres no difference because in general, all are victims.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
Again, so you're saying that everyone who is not an ethnic Polynesian should pack their bags? Because IF we grant that Hawaii is occupied, then the only thing for it is for the United States to quit Hawaii. Since there would not be diplomatic relations between Hawaii and the United States, it would behoove all Americans living in Hawaii to quit the island and for all American companies to divest themselves of any property they hold in Hawaii. Are you prepared for that?
ladyfractal 3 months ago
@ladyfractal. No. I did not say that. And that is not going to happen. The Kingdom of Hawaii was a multi-ethnic nation. Everyone had equal rights and the freedom to do anything. Anyone could become a citizen. It did not matter of your race. Anyone could apply to become a Hawaiian citizen Theres no racial bigotry, or division of anyone. Everyone lived in peace and happyness towards eachother. And Hawaii did had diplomatic relations with the U.S. along with other numerous countries.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
So are you suggesting that Hawaii secede from the United States? Are you prepared to see everyone who is not an ethnic Polynesian forcibly ejected from Hawaii? If not, then what does it mean to say that Hawaii is an 'occupied nation'? Think carefully about this. There's rhetoric and then there's reality. If you consider Hawaii an occupied nation and you would like to see the United States leave this 'nation' then what?
ladyfractal 3 months ago
@ladyfractal. No. Its not saying that Hawaii needs to "secede" from the "Union" because its not part of the United States LEGALLY. It is OFFICIALLY, but in terms of legality, it is NOT. Reason why it is "occupied" is because theres no adoption papers. In other words, no treaty! No treaty to prove that Hawaii is legal U.S. soverign territory. So under Internatioanl Law, that's called occupation. And it still is.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago in playlist UniteHawaii's favorites
@UniteHawaii That was pretty much what I was about to say except that the rich whites that came turned the Native Hawaiians poor only the rich, industrialist, and businessmen.
korbykable 3 months ago
@korbykable. Well, I wouldn't say that that was the beginning of the doom for all Native Hawaiians. Although I guess you can say that because that was true after the "fake" annixation of 1898. But all of us, including those back then, are victims in Hawaii regardless of our race.
UniteHawaii 3 months ago
@ladyfractal Consider this, At least other peoples who have migrated have a country to go back to, USA is pictured to have limitless land so Americans will not be without and neither will anyone else. Ancient Indigenous Hawaiians were prosperous prior to illegal take over from USA. The questions is how will the USA people survive without the billions of dollars in profit they gain from the industry built up around culture and beaches
wens9098 3 months ago
So you're telling me that everyone that lived in Hawaii in 1959 should not have been given the right to vote on statehood BUT illegal immigrants that reside in the US SHOULD have the same rights as legal citizens?
Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
wellyes 3 months ago in playlist Hawaii vs. U.S. Imperialism - Pinkyshow
FreeHawaii.info more evidence of the wrong and the current movements to solve the injustice
madeinhawaii 3 months ago
TRUTH.
FiyahDawta 4 months ago
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@TheStoryIsOver. If I may say, what difference would it make? Japan, America. It would not matter! But for fact, Japan had strong diplomatic relations with Hawaii. Secondly, the Japanese embassy was one of other embassys in Honolulu to issue a letter of protest against the U.S. invasion! And thirdly, the Japanese government itself was willing to help out Her Majesty. But despite all that and if Japan DID invade Hawaii, it would not make any difference then what the U.S. had done.
UniteHawaii 4 months ago
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RetSquid 5 months ago
woooowww, they sure don't teach THIS in schools!!
jostarrgreen 5 months ago
The U.S., Take what ever you want and whoever stands in your way, just call em "Terrorist" . The U.S. would love for the Hawaiian Nationals to become "Terrorist" so their Army can take them out as well. Many of the Hawaiian Nationals have been pushed back against the wall for too long. I hope some Hawaiian National "Terrorist" does something soon. Its just cause and effect . To most of you visitors, yes you do look hilarious and out of place in Hawaii, just like a hawaiian does in America.
sitrucmleh 5 months ago
@sitrucmleh. Hmm. I think I would agree with that too--the U.S. wanting Hawaiians (Nationals) becoming "terrorist" because they know of what their fighting for, they will lose. Not only the fight, but the support of the people of Hawaii entirely. And I hope in general, no acts of terrorism happens with reguard to restore Hawaii! The consequences I fear are unimagineable. Especially to the people of Hawaii!
UniteHawaii 5 months ago
@sitrucmleh Yeah I don't want a violent independence more like Martin Luther King Jr. But yep Americans look so out of place in Hawaii. You can spot them any time. But I would feel weird seeing them so long then all of them gone but still
korbykable 3 months ago
This is a Cat's show? where the dogs at? Pinky is cool though, very informative
Wolfsbane909 5 months ago
So Hawaii IS a state because of the way the voting was represented.
In other words if they didn't cheat on the democratic voting processes, Obama would not be president.
Sh!t happens. (or maybe he would have been born in a different state, you never know)
I wonder if people would have hated Colon Powel as much? Yeahhh they would.
rattytheraccoon 5 months ago
I think you need sinus surgery. Your voice sounds as infantile as your point{s) of view. Also buy a shovel to manage your bullshit.
Trolleymoose 6 months ago
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kakaleite7 7 months ago
Very well done Pinky. I am impressed by your research, organization, and presentation. Your video is simple, direct, to the point and very informative. Please keep making these videos and I look forward to watching your future presentations. I'm a fan.
EdwardTaft1 7 months ago
Just so you know Hawaii is Pronounced ha - vie - e - e
kiele21 7 months ago
A nice companion to Sarah Vowell's - Unfamiliar Fishes. How do native Hawaiians feel about her work?
veraestau 7 months ago
economic necessity can not justify a disregard of constitutional guarantees so says the united states supreme court!
OrganicDrew 8 months ago
@KKKSuperFan According to Dr. Keanu sai who's doctoral dissertation was on this very topic, Hawai'i is illegally occupied. Since annexation requires the consent of both legitimate parties to be valid when we look at the facts the only conclusion is Hawaii is still independent as a matter of law both international, Hawaiian, and under US constitutional Law and American Jurisprudence. see more here w w w2 DOT hawaii DOT edu SLASH ~ anu SLASH sorry you tube no likes web links
OrganicDrew 8 months ago
@seailage, You are a retard.
Read the Canadian Constitution...also known as the British North America Act of 1867.
The queen of England is, constitutionally, the queen of Canada too.
1stLtDavis 8 months ago
So this means that Obama really isn't a citizen of the United States! Holy Cow, you really nailed it!
DoctorOblivion1 8 months ago
@DoctorOblivion1 You do realize that an American having children makes them an American citizen, whether they were born on a spaceship, etc. Renunciation of citizenship is a process you need to do to make you un-American.
mamoahina 8 months ago
@mamoahina When Obamas mother married Lolo Soetoro, Barry and his mother became citizens of Indonesia.
DoctorOblivion1 8 months ago
@DoctorOblivion1 So according to Indonesian law, through marriage Barry, a step-child was able to gain citizenship? But still Americans don't lose citizenship.
mamoahina 8 months ago
@DoctorOblivion1 Do you have to work at being that wrong, or does it come naturally? I suggest you read the Indonesian Nationality Law - what you have said is nonsense, and it would only take about 10 minutes of actual research (and not reading moronic web forums) to figure that out. There was NO WAY that Obama could obtain Indonesian citizenship via his mother's marriage to an Indonesian national.
lawyerly 6 months ago 2
@mamoahina Citzenship isn't the question but the Constitution says that the President cannot be born on foreign soil.
KurtRussell1963 7 months ago
@KurtRussell1963 Actually it doesn't say that at all. it says that: No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President. I remember reading about it b/c this doesn't address the issue for people like McCain, that they were a natural born citizen but it doesn't refer to jus sanguinis at all. That's what I've been looking into but can't get the answers.
mamoahina 7 months ago
@mamoahina A natural born citizen IS a person born on American Soil. This is WHY Schwarzeneggar was ruled out as a potential US President. This is why people argued that McCain shouldn't be able to run & the reason why people questioned if Obama was really born in Hawaii or not.
KurtRussell1963 7 months ago
@KurtRussell1963 Right, but you're telling me things I learned nearly 3 decades ago. I already know this stuff b/c the constitution mentions who is eligible for presidency, which automatically rules out the ex spouse of Maria S. But I'm questioning what exactly is a natural born citizen? B/c the constitution DOES NOT specify what that is. I'll give you another 3 weeks or so to reply. And last I check, Hawaii is NOT American soil. Might as well make Iraq American soil too.
mamoahina 7 months ago
@mamoahina Well true it dies not say EXACTLY but it does infer that the person was born in what is naturally considered US territory. Obama was born in Hawaii? Well in 1961 the US was a State but then again if Hawaii was illegally brought into the Union then it is not & he is not. At this point I am more concerned with WHO is controlling the media & why they won't address the corruption of all of the last 50 years of all the Presidents no matter their party affiliation.
KurtRussell1963 7 months ago
@mamoahina Hawaii is American soil. Hawaii is a state, legally and properly admitted to the union no matter its status as an illegally occupied foreign nation prior to that date. "Last you checked" means nothing, since you haven't checked. You've just examined what you wish were true, and declared it to be "real," and then discounted what you would rather were not true, and labeled it "fake."
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly Right. LEGALLY? In 2 instances the Dept. of Justice questioned by what power did Congress have to annex the isles. That's b/c there IS NO treaty. So LEGALLY it isn't part of the union. Actually, we HAVE proof, so as far as checking, no need to check b/c we have proof of it not existing & other docs (as I've stated) that questioned by what means congress had, meaning it had no power.
mamoahina 6 months ago
@lawyerly BTW, as far as checking, I've been dealing w/ ignorant people w/ this very issue since the early 90s. This is probably new to you. YOu don't make sense saying its status as an illegally occupied "foreign" nation prior to that date. What date? Are you even vaguely familiar w/ int'l law? No. Constitutional law? No. I don't care if you don't want to accept the facts but saying/responding here just to make urself look good, doesn't fool anyone here.
mamoahina 6 months ago
@lawyerly And I know that the only reason you're replying is b/c you're taking this personally. Stating facts are nothing but that, but you think it's an attack on your own identity. You need to put down that Ego & just look at the facts! If you disagree, then ok but stop replying to me saying that I haven't checked recently. I work on this stuff, how can I not check it recently?
mamoahina 6 months ago
@mamoahina Sigh. You spout a flood of nonsense, make silly assumptions about me based on nothing, and then preempt any possible answer by predicting that I will take your adorable attacks personally, when of course your words are like the buzzing of flies to me.
I am an attorney. I have extensive professional experience in international public law, and I've studied issues related to border disputes in great detail, enough to conclude that you haven't the least idea what you're talking about.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@mamoahina Now, to make it simple enough for you to understand: even if Hawaii were illegally occupied, there is nothing to prevent the citizens of a foreign nation from applying directly to Congress for statehood, or to prevent Congress from accepting such an application. That's what happened in the cases of Texas and California. So even if Hawaii were still an independent state in 1959, upon a proper application for statehood it became a part of the USA.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@mamoahina Further, because all sovereignty ultimately derives from the people, and because the former government of Hawaii had completely ceased to exist by the 1950s, there was no other recognizable sovereign that could dispute the claim to legitimacy of the application for statehood, unless one agreed to dispossess all of the non-indigenous Hawaiians who took part in the vote, and that would be a wrongful act in itself.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly American soil HAHAHAHAHAHA only god could make that happen
korbykable 3 months ago
@KurtRussell1963 Wrong, sorry. All kinds of people born abroad are natural born citizens, including (for instance) a child born to American parents abroad who is not eligible for the citizenship of the state where he was born.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly Um sorry NOT wrong otherwise AH-nult would have run for the Prez office. Of course people born of American parents are always citizens but what is NATURAL BORN is the Q.
KurtRussell1963 6 months ago
@KurtRussell1963 Are you illiterate? Did Schwarzenegger have American parents? No, he became an American citizen by being naturalized when he was an adult. Your comment has so little to do with the topic you raised that I wonder whether you are able to understand what's happening.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly Considering that Obama was actually a citizen of Indonesia first make me wonder the same about you.
KurtRussell1963 6 months ago
@KurtRussell1963 did you know mc cain was born in panama?
rattytheraccoon 5 months ago
@rattytheraccoon Yes I did. If you are somehow implying that I am a McCain supported then that assumption would be INCORRECT. I scrutinized him as well.
KurtRussell1963 5 months ago
I don't get why did you exclude Palestine from the list of countries whose sovereignty was threatened by the US, its allies and its meddling?
Ferashilal 8 months ago
@Ferashilal they cover that topic separately in another video, the truth is illegal occupation is the name of the game now since America was hijacked years ago by the banking elites. check out George Gordon DOT org for more on this topic, he not only covers the issue of Palestine being illegally occupied but covers the reason, and what we as individuals can do about it legally and peacefully.
OrganicDrew 8 months ago
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hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
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proffubu2006 8 months ago
Watching the first few minutes of this video, I already found errors. The "doctrines" raises only applied to Spain and Portugal. England was not subject to the Pope. So, why would those doctrines apply to England? Or, later, the United States.
The Constitution is SILENT as to annexation. There is no requirement of a 2/3rds vote.
The Constitution barely discusses admission to the Union (read Article IV, section 3). Thus, the annexation and admission is perfectly legal.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion The Constitution of the United States requires supermajorities in order for certain significant actions to occur, in that case, a two-thirds vote is requied. To begin with though the overthorw was illegal and used with military force upon the King and then the Queen.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 Really? I am unaware of that section in the Constitution. What's the cite?
Two-thirds majorities are only required for overriding a veto or convicting a President. Otherwise, it can be done with a simple majority.
Please privde a cite for your assertion.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur." Google United States Senate: Art and History.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 That's for treaties.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion Treaty for Annexation? You want to annex, you need a treaty.......
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 Check your history. We have never annexed through treaty before. Texas (which was a separate nation for 10 years before annexation). It was also passed through a resolution. California was also annexed through resolution. This is considered perfectly legal (see DeLima v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 1 (1901)).
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion A Joint resolution is only legally binding within the country of origin’s boundaries. In this case, Hawaii is under a occupation.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 Again, you should check with history. First, Hawaii was not under occupation at the time of annexation. Second, annexation by join resolution has been ruled to be legal by the US Supreme Court. As I pointed out, no other similar annexation was done by treaty. Why would you do it differently this time?
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion I just answered your question, only under the country of origin's boundaries is a joint resoultion legal. And I never said Hawaii was under occupation at the time of annexation, they were never annexed and thus is an occupied soverign nation till this day.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 Your first sentence is obviously not correct. Texas, at the time of annexation, was a separate nation. It was annexed by joint resolution. Puerto Rico was under Spanish control when it was annexed by joint resolution. So, obviously, joint resolutions have power outside the US boundaries. Your second sentence is contradictory. If it was not occupied at the time of annexation, then the annexation is perfectly legal and Hawai'i is currently not an occupied sovereign nation.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion And you need a 2/3 vote to past a treaty or joint resolution.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 which in this case, it did.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 I am unaware of a 2/3 requirement for a joint resolution. Can you provide a cite for that?
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion No I think I will not, but you can look for it.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 If you cannot cite your proofs upon request, then your argument is invalid. I have provided you with proofs, both historical and legal to establish that the annexation by joint resolution has been regarded as perfectly legal. You have not provided a single proof to establish your claim.
While I may not agree with the acts, under the current framework, they are legal and Hawai'i is a state of the United States.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion So stating that other places were annexed by Joint resolution makes your argument valid and thus the act perfectly legal? Please.....
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 Actually, yes. It's called precedence. Our entire legal system is based on that idea. Until a precedence is overturned, it is the law.
Timasion 8 months ago
@Timasion I think we should just agree to disagree. On a side note, its storming in Hawaii......
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@Timasion Specifically cite where it says a joint resolution can reach out to take control of other foregin nation.
hawaiianguy2991 8 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 I love it when people who know nothing about the laws, and who are too lazy to learn, make silly assumptions about how things work based on how they think those things SHOULD work. Dude, you don't just get to make up rules about two thirds majorities and then decide that your own made-up rules apply to the real world. If the USA used illegal force against the Hawaiian dictators, then it's for the dictator to sue for redress. But his line is extinct.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly I'm sorry, but I don't make up rules, I follow them. Just because your bias doesn't mean you shouldn't get to know both sides of the story and actually get all the "FACTS" straight.....
hawaiianguy2991 6 months ago
@hawaiianguy2991 "You're biased." They stopped teaching grammar at Kamehameha again?
Actually, I'm not biased. I don't care about Hawaii, and I don't care about American sovereignty over those useless bunch of rocks in the Pacific. But if you're going to make legal claims, make sure you've got them right.
lawyerly 6 months ago
@lawyerly We got ourselves a grammar "professional".......... Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president "shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two-thirds of the Senators present concur." In this case, a treaty of annexation and joint resolution were used. Google United States Senate: Art and History.
hawaiianguy2991 6 months ago
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hawaiianguy2991 6 months ago
@lawyerly YOUR CALLING IT DICTATORS? COME ON SERIOUSLY WOW. IT IS CALLED MONARCHY GET IT IN YOUR HEAD YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS A DICTIONARY HITLER WAS A DICTATOR YOU !@$#%@%^
lol that last part (YOU @$@$#D$#) was just a joke BUT BEFORE THAT WASNT
korbykable 3 months ago
Still my favourite video! Can learn much from you!
WeToldYouSo1 9 months ago
Obama may be from Hawai'i but he is not a NATIVE Hawaiian so it really doesn't have an effect on Hawai'i
I wish we could take this to the UN but unfortunately we would need a representative sitting on the UN's board, something we don't have because of the UN rejecting it
ktownkane 9 months ago
GOD I LOVE THIS FREAKIN CAT! >:{
iStupifyYOU 9 months ago
Hawaiians should take all of the documented proof before the United Nations and show the video sequence that you have shown, to put Hawaii back on the list of decolonization. :)
dezwartemaan 9 months ago
I am a Texan, and Texan's are always spouting about how we were once a independent nation and we can separate if we wanted to. I chuckle about it and remind them that financially we'd be screwed if we did. Although your video presentation makes me wonder if Texas was obtained harshly as Hawaii was. But we all can admit that the Indian territories were illegally taken and colonized forcefully. I have Cherokee blood, and I often think the same for them.
dezwartemaan 9 months ago
Wow... I looked at the 1993 apology and the scanned documents.. and I as a single American outside of any political agenda... Apologize to all Hawaiians. I can see footprints of how you were assimilated and that's just wrong. I hope you gain your independence if you truly want it. I only suggest that you consider whether being separated will be a benefit to you, or a hindrance. Either way, The native people of Hawaii, and not just the 'citizens of Caucasians' born there.. should decide.
dezwartemaan 9 months ago
@Robiwrestler- you really need to educate yourself. YOU HAVE NO PROOF... but WE DO... Hawai'i is illegaly occupied by the U.S.A...... and of course the U.S has ruled out that Hawai'is annexation could be invalid because they will not admit that they did it illegaly and that they are CRIMINALS.. DUH
klkaeo 9 months ago
@Robiwrestler- you really need to educate yourself. YOU HAVE NO PROOF... but WE DO... Hawai'i is illegaly occupied by the U.S.A......
klkaeo 9 months ago
how can you even sit through and watch this? i want to learn about the issue, but seriously with the cat?
LAURELOVE 9 months ago
lol @ 20:10 "it doesnt matter which one you choose, i get to 'bone' you either way"
vengencefrom1979 9 months ago
Benjamin Franklin:
"Why should the Palatine Boors [Germans] be suffered to swarm into our Settlements, and by herding together establish their Language and Manners to the Exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Languages or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion."
vengencefrom1979 9 months ago
this is a rather silly video
Robiwrestler 9 months ago
How can this little cat assume that the vote was rigged?
Robiwrestler 9 months ago
@Robiwrestler. There are documents to prove it. Such as the electional ballot of the 1959 election--No option for free association or full independence. And the United Nations has ruled out that Hawaii's annexation to the United States could be invalid.
DeltaEagle7700 9 months ago
Hawaiians do benefit from being assimilated into the United States, surely? There are a lot of tourists and tourist dollars coming from Stateside. American culture being easily taken to by the younger generations of locals. It is not all a bad thing.
Now Obama hails from Hawaii and he has become President of the whole of US.
CardinalSinga 9 months ago
This video was created to enlighten you of the real history of Hawai'i. As a Kanaka Maoli I care not for what non Kanaka Maoli think we as a people should do about our lands.
1jks 10 months ago
It's true.
justsomefellow 10 months ago
These vids are really intellectually stimulating but nationalism trumps internationalism/globalism or 'we' vs 'us and them'. Hawaii is part of america. we aren't ever giving back any of the lands. Hawaii is a base for america's military who fight to protect ppl like you so you can sit @ a comp and create these vids. This is our country right or wrong, don't like it then leave. b4 I get put in a nice preconception. I protested the iraq war, voted for obama, am liberal, patriotic and in USarmy.
Davitofrito 10 months ago
No give backs. China will never give up Tibet or any of the other territories it has in modern day china. Hawaii is a US state, culturally and historically. There was no international law back then. RealPolitik is the order of the day. America is indivisble. We should add states Puerto Rico,Guam, etc. Africa went to shit post-colonialism because they didn't have the institutions to build stable states. They try to leave the union and I'll ship out with an M16 instead of going to afpak. USarmy.
Davitofrito 10 months ago
@KKKSuperFan
ww2 bankrupted and destroyed the old world. colonialism became a big no-no with the advent of US and USSR super powers. It ended up being about money and power combating different views by a new generation.
Davitofrito 10 months ago
Free Hawai'i! Haoles go home!
atlasimpala 10 months ago
@atlasimpala I agree. The US should grant Hawaii its independence and cut off all aid and support. I especially like the idea of booting four Democrats out of Congress.
Hawaii has been a millstone.
SCE2AUX 10 months ago
Hawaii would be a pretty crappy country, its better off as a state and much better off being backed by the U.S.
tminty13 10 months ago
@tminty13 this is an ignorant comment
anela27 10 months ago
One thing that does aggravate me about this program is that how it gives a light of greed to the places of interest that the US has sent some form of support to, whether it be in the form of troops, supplies, firearms, or funds. Some of those places such as Bosnia, Cambodia, Congo, etc. have been known to be a hot bed of genocide. That is one of the reasons that the US had presence there. It disappoints me to see this program telling of how we wasted troops to save 3rd world citizens lives.
MrBuckshot7894 11 months ago
@MrBuckshot7894 It is very harsh that these events have made a deep impact on some of our lives but the truth is that the US does everything for their own profit in some way. Pure and simple.
anela27 10 months ago
With everything set aside, if it were NOT for the US colonizing Hawai'i, then the Japanese would of taken it over. In turn this could of led to the downfall of the US during WW2 because we would of not had a large mid-Pacific port. Also, if you want to complain about how man conquers other land, then one must go back to the very instincts of man: superiority of others. I am not saying it is right, but more or less just in our nature.
MrBuckshot7894 11 months ago
@KKKSuperFan,Also the US.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
The European colonies in Africa and Asia became independent after WWII,because especially in European nations after the war were in shambles and had no power nor the $ to colonize those parts of the world so that's where independence comes from.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
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copy and paste to 5 videos for the sake of the beautiful islands of Hawai'i and its former kingdom.if you do then good will come upon you.trust me.Hawai'i wwas stolen by the U.S. e ola ka lahui Hawai'i
FREE HAWAI'I
FREE HAWAI'I
FREE HAWAI'I
islanderpride123 11 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@KKKSuperFan,It's still going on today.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
@KKKSuperFan,NO YOU RACIST REDNECK!!!
98bigbutt 11 months ago
I'm from the US and love it as well. But the US foreign policy needs to be changed just to get into the 21st century and not the to think like the 19th century.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
Would you do a episode just like this one but about the Mexican American war??? and teach the world how the US lies to it's citizens the truth???
Please!!!!!!
PacoMxxN 11 months ago
"Eventually US settlers overthrown Hawai'i natives"
Man, where have I heard that before, oh right the fake state of Texas...
PacoMxxN 11 months ago
@KKKSuperFan, You know you can't say that word right?
98bigbutt 11 months ago
@KKKSuperFan, I guess the ends justifies the means right?
98bigbutt 11 months ago
Try talking more briskly and maybe I won't fall asleep.
Fronzel41 11 months ago
Even though I knew about the 1893 illegal conquering in Hawaii,I didn't know about how Hawaii became the 50th state of the union in an illegal way.
98bigbutt 11 months ago
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98bigbutt 11 months ago
Im from puerto rico and please HELP FREE US FROM USA
puertorricanstar 11 months ago
Wow, I got turned on to this by Juice Media's Rap News. I had never heard this before. I believe the vast majority of this is true. It was well researched or done by people who already know their history. I now understand better who so many native Hawaiians hate Caucasians.
DavidZStamp 11 months ago
@1zianalioness no, great britain is the island of england, scotland, wales. Northern Ireland is on the island of Ireland, with a border with the republic of Ireland. the 4 countries are the UK.
Rmg12 11 months ago
Hawaiʻi loa! Kū like kākou! Kūpaʻa me ka lōkahi e!
Akeakamaiful 11 months ago
As with most videos from this author, the argument is slanted so far to the left, they convienently miss some other historic facts that remove much credibility of the argument they intend to make. The ruling power prior to the U.S. was there by force, and not via the will of the people, as were the previous rulers, which came into power through force. Hawaii had been conquered many times.
rhturner 1 year ago