Super True Stories - Save University Lutheran Chapel! Edition

[Ken1Lutheran]

That sounds sort of like scheduling the liturgical service at 8 AM, a "blended family" service at 9, Sunday School at 10, and "praise worship" at 11. Works great. Young families don't want to get up at 6:30, get the kids dressed and ready, get to church at 8, leave at 9, come back at 10 for Sunday School, and leave at 11. So they'll get up at 8:30, get the kids dressed and ready, get to church at 10, and leave at 12. Say to your critics: "SEE???? Young families want contemporary worship!"

[vicardaniel]

...because of some building. The people who were edified and who continued to worship were on account of Christ, not bricks and mortar. We should NEVER get so tied down to building and pews that we forget WHO does the work in worship, no matter where we worship. With that said though, the MNS obviously worries more about money and less about Christ, and they're setting a BAD example for their congregations.

[nicoXP3712]

@vicardaniel i agree about that district setting a bad example, but do you know the demographics of the people who attended ULC? i personally don't, but it seems to me that to simply write off the situation and saying "It's just a building" is a little cold. that may have been the only place for some people to receive Word and Sacrament - maybe they can't drive or some other situation. what happens when ULC is forced to a building 10 miles away? if it ain't broke and is doin well, DON'T FIX IT!!

[vicardaniel]

While I don't agree with what is being done in my home state of MN (though I'm from MN North), I think that the backlash is a bit much. The church that is being sold is a building. Does not having this building mean that the congregation cannot worship anymore? That they can't receive God's gifts of Word and Sacrament? Sometimes stuff like this is a good reminder for us. The building and the land is NOTHING. The 'church' didn't do anything; God did! 25 pastors were because of Him, not...

[lutherchemnitz]

so why don't you convert to WELS?

[TheLutheranSatire]

@lutherchemnitz Because I believe that the WELS has the worst theology of church and ministry in the world.

[fatherdmj]

Same problems, different synod.

[tjhoenecke]

@TheLutheranSatire Wow, that seems harsh. Care to elaborate?

[tjhoenecke]

@tjhoenecke Apparently not.

[jcrebel18]

@TheLutheranSatire What does WELS stand for?

[AnthonyRF1996]

@TheLutheranSatire really? the worst?

[matthewdhewlett]

One cannot serve both God and money, MN District!

[HenryvKeiper]

Hmmm I should see if I can sell my church for magic beans.

[Piggy54]

@bumnus U of M did not shut it down, it was a decision by the MNS Minnesota South District of the LC-MS that is considering shutting if down by selling the land. The school has nothing to do with this for the record.

[lisabohler]

Well, let's not forget that I am a Lutheran School teacher and a product of ULC. I directed the choir for three years while attending ULC. It may be correct to say that if it were not for the influence and confessional hope from ULC, I would have RUN from being a Lutheran School teacher in the Missouri Synod.

[lisabohler]

@lisabohler Meaning to say, that there were also teachers who attended ULC who are still serving in the church....

[JacobGillard]

Many of those 26 pastors were not sons of the congregation...they grew up in places like St. Francis and attended ULC while students at places like CSP. To be fair, I'm sure they were nurtured at ULC during those college years and some may have even transferred their membership to ULC for those brief years, but it's not correct to imply or assume that ULC has been a breeding ground for seminary candidates. It makes you wonder how "super true" the other stats and claims are.

[TheLutheranSatire]

@JacobGillard 1. I suppose Jesus can't take credit for the doctrinal formation of the apostles, since they only followed him for 3 years. 2. I'm sure many guys who were already interested in becoming pastors went to ULC. The fact that they chose that congregation speaks volumes about her. 3. However they got them, name 5 congregations in the LCMS that have had 26 pastors pass through them.

[TheLutheranSatire]

@TheLutheranSatire 4. I got the stats from ULC, who has been more than transparent in this whole fiasco. That's more than can be said for district. 5. The point of this stat is merely to show that ULC is a blessing to both the MN South District and the synod. But even if she had 10 people in worship on Sunday and had never produced a single pastor, you don't sell the space where those sheep hear the voice of their Shepherd.

[JacobGillard]

Hi Jonathan, in your video it says, "having sent 26 men to the seminary." Now, I'm not disputing that. But in your comment you say, "have had 26 pastors pass through them." Do you see the difference there? And is the latter true? I wouldn't know without looking at the list of names that ULC gave to you--I know that ULC sent men to the sem who never finished.

[bunnycatch3r]

@JacobGillard Yes, and what's the big deal about sending 26 men to the seminary? I mean isn't there a glut of sem grads now waiting to receive a call? I would have been more impressed if ULC talked 26 men out of going to the sem and into teaching or administration instead.

[JacobGillard]

If they gave you a list of names, that is. Or, did they just give you the stat and you used it without doing due diligence? It would seem so, based on your point #4 above, but...I'm listening...

[TheLutheranSatire]

@JacobGillard Why are you so intent on nitpicking this number? The whole point isn't whether ULC is a genuine farm team for the sems. The point is that it's sinful to scheme to take away a congregation's property by a show of right, especially when that congregation is faithfully giving people the Word and Sacraments.

[JacobGillard]

@TheLutheranSatire the numbers are important if you use them to support your principle idea. I seem to recall that in our email conversation on another matter that I also found myself encouraging you to do due diligence before posting your videos. I'm sensing a pattern that will cause me to thoroughly question all your stats and causes. It's amazing how you can have such hardened positions from just some quick, secondhand reports and no visits to sort the facts on the ground.

[justanthy]

:(

[Shoots1978]

Dang, the Apostles using technology. Imagine if this would have been around then the gospel would have spread faster, and more deaths through martydom.