Perhaps all the Dark Matter and Dark Energy we cannot grasp or measure, it because it is not moving, or moving too slowly to be sensed. Our own existence is a subliminal level of measure, since we move with the active part of the Cosmos at a relative rate of companionship to all material things. But if there is another "Matter" which is at Rest, and is not then apparent as real, for lack of movements, then we solve the riddle. "The Spirit of God moved over the Waters" Gen 1.
Perhaps all the Dark Matter and Dark Energy we cannot grasp or measure, it because it is not moving, or moving too slowly to be sensed. Our own existence is a subliminal level of measure, since we move with the active part of the Cosmos at a relative rate of companionship to all material things. But if there is another "Matter" which is at Rest, and is not then apparent as real, for lack of movements, then we solve the riddle. "The Spirit of God moved over the Waters" Gen 1.
Whatever has the power to move an object, the object which has the nature so as to be moved, is of a relationship leading back to the explanation of the Big Bang. That is enough information to invoke a Trinitarian formula. 1. Power to move an object . 2. Object with the nature so as to move 3. Design or a pathway of observable changes by an object in motion. The first is a Law, the second is a Matter, the third is a Behavior. Any one aspect is irrational to consider alone.
When an object is free of all behavior, it has absolutely stopped moving, then it may not even "Exist" The Cabal of Noun sense and Verb sense to any object subjects it's existence to being a condition relative to all other things in motion as well. Nothing material can really ever stop dead, or it would become equal to the essential idea of the True Void. A stilled universe becomes immaterial and essentially a voided empty place. What is in a void, is anything that is not in motion.
Perhaps the Trinity explains best about God, since any one part of the explanation by itself is meaningless. What is a Father, without there being a Son ? Father is not a name of anything original, not the name of a being at all, but the first half only of a duality that is assigned a playing role of behavior, so the Father is a titled behavior, but cannot exist without the related Son, which also is a behavior. Irreducible Complexity means it cannot be reduced from two and be what it is.
Any Equation requires something to be expressed on both sides of the symbol of the equation "=" sign. A Dangling Metaphor of one sided information proves that some uniqueness to Reality requires duality be retained to also retain Rational Sense. Matter coming first before Intelligence, does not make any more sense than Intelligence coming before Matter, thus the Coupling must be imputed into a higher yet unknown Cabal of Unity by a Duality that only makes sense as an Equation = God.
Truth can be a coupled set notation of Intelligence and Matter, to which as the collective set of circumstances, it is impossible to explain, because the nature of explanation implies reducing complexity to various parts and explaining those relationships. Sensing intelligent behavior & sensing matter, is only our detection of a higher reality of a set notation. Irreducible, we cannot grapple with the complexity , which proves some things can never be taken apart and still make sense.
What comes first , Intelligence or Materialism ? Either one can be first, they can be a duality beginning together, or one is not real, or neither is reality. The cause of Matter and Behavior of Matter, can be explained by Cell Division in Biology. Original first cell, "Divines" or inwardly doubles everything in the design and the original behaves to become two cells, then four, etc. This Behavior of Multiplication by Division is an Intelligent Behavior, owed to an outside Agency
When an explanation for Intelligent Life is given as being caused by God imputing the qualities of behavior into the Material Creation, objections are raised to ask , then who made God. That amounts to an infinite regression. which most inquisitive children often do by always asking "Why" No matter what explanation is given , the question is "Why ?" Because, Why ? Because . Why" One has to finally include all regressions into a set notation of that question "Why" and call it "God"
If a group of people were suddenly cast into a new and strange environment, yet it was a sustainable one, but the people had to adapt quickly and use all talents they have in novel ways, so as to quickly experiment and succeed. Those who can adapt and survive by using their own skills, in ways they never had done so before, would be showing the most valuable sense of "Intelligence" Adaptation, using past talents in new ways , in time to avoid extinction , is Intelligence.
In a Civilization, skills required to continue the cohesion of society are valued and judged as issues of technical knowledge and intelligence. An Idiot Savant can determine what prior day was a given date, no matter how far back , the cause is simply mathematical and they can calculate numbers like a machine. But, they cannot explain the difference between what a person must do, and wishes to do, to show how a person has a free will and ambitions apart from necessity. "Discernment"
Mathematical Theorems cannot themselves be proven as "Rational" except we have to accept these theories in the Abstract Powers , We cannot really prove in a material sense the value of Zero, because it makes the matter unlawful to be present, and then asks, what is there, when everything that is existing as tandem to the Material Universe, is taken away leaving what appears in a sense a true "Void" What is that, another entire Universe made of that which we cannot ever know ?
Videos like this present a serious ethical problem. It tells teachers to spend their valuable time using a concept (MI) that has never been shown to improve student learning. That MI has no support is widely known, and this information is easily available to any responsible, diligent adult. What's the difference between: a) recommending an unsupported concept to folks with real educational needs and, b) a doctor giving only sugar pills to a patient who could benefit from proven medicine?
Memory experts often use a talent for Rhyming everything to increase their ability to remember long lists of seemingly unrelated items. When a person exercises the talent to say " 2, 4, 6, 8, who do we appreciate" They have used a second talent of Rhymes to increase their memory performance. Rote Memorization can give Math Students the great edge , if they sing song and rhyme their equations , and make visual images of them, even in parody or comical sense, it adds power of remembering
Multiple Intelligence may mean every single idea is itself an Intelligence, if it does agree with natural law, and works in the world. Every letter of the Alphabet , can have it's own unique sort of intelligence, and then calculate language arts . Every number can have it's own intelligence, and then collaborate in a unity of numbers to mean something elaborate. Every bit of information is it's own unique intelligence, if it has it's own identity and sign to itself, before it relates
Is Intelligence a description of the behavior, or is it a description of the power of the actor ? A super genius man who falls off the cliff and screams and waves his arms and legs around, in futility , never connecting to achieve any act, is that "Intelligent Behavior " ? Is the man unable to connect, ever intelligent, or is the act itself the essential reality that is intelligent ? Efficiency of Purpose, that does not fail to connect things , that is an intelligent act.
@alienzen Imagination can cut across the intelligences. For example, someone who write novels uses their imagination with their linguistic intelligence. Someone who creates a new theorem use their imagination with their logical intelligence. etc.
@thinkingman2 these "intelligences" seem to be oddly converging towards pseudonyms for school subjects, linguistic intelligence=english, kinetic intelligence=sport, spacial intelligence=art, etc. And since you say someone can use their imagination with logical intelligence..doesnt that suggest that this person is using two types of intelligence? I would say things like kinetic intelligence and social intelligence are specific, and more instincts than intelligence.
@alienzen the Mind is a model of the real world, where we attempt to rehearse the behaviors to attempt to believe they will agree with the real world, when we act. But unless one idea connects to another idea, one thought moving to another, and continuing with that motion or active playing, then there is no Mind. An idea may work in your mind, but that is not intelligence until you prove it can also work similarly in the real world. Ideas must survive the test to be intelligent.
@alienzen maybe I am not describing "science" but "nature" Nature exists without Science, but Science cannot exist without Nature. Science is a "Humanity" an endeavor of human beings to investigate things in Nature to gain power over them. Why we wish to gain power over natural processes , may show what is Intelligence. If we can do what Nature already does, we would call ourselves "Intelligent" but what about Nature in it's own designs. Is the Act or the Actor the Intelligence ?
@alienzen "does nature make computers ?" Perhaps we need to consider that an Intelligence Exists before the Material Universe could even possibly exist, because it requires some nudge and some direction of motion before it started. So ,that idea of a natural computer, may be approaching the issue of God, and that everything that moves , yet might agree, with what Einstein said was " A Theory of Everything" We may have to adapt our ideas about Intelligence as not only about biology.
@CarmineFragione it doesnt need any nudge. I dont find such God mumbo jumbo interesting. Im not talking about intelligence in some fundamental sense, more an intuitive sense, that is to say, what do you mean when you say a person is intelligent. Most people probably agree that an IQ test doesnt measure accurately an intelligent person, so what are those other faculties that we can intuitively sense as intelligence in other people, that is not measured by IQ.
@alienzen why do most people agree that IQ testing is not accurate ? Begin there, analyze the objections and try to determine motives attached to those objections, to see to what rationale is presented. When you ask a question to see what most people say, you have to first ask if their response is informed or just public sentiments . The Universe certainly needed a nudge, because logic says what is proven to have been created must have a cause. Random events never rise to Order
@CarmineFragione why do people believe that IQ testing is accurate? its certainly useful in determining aptitude for certain tasks. I believe ordered systems do arise out of choatic ones, or I heard it somewhere, but I cant prove it right now. Logic surely says that something must have been created without a cause, or else you would have an infinite regression of causes, which isnt very logical, although I wont say its not possible, just that it doesnt make any sense to me.
@alienzen Infinite Regressions are applicable to either a Theist view or Atheist view, it does not help either case. But the case that is rational is the issue, does Intelligence emerge only after random events of material substance support the behavior, or is there prior conditions , but outside the material world, in what other worlds may be or case may be that an Intelligence is the cause of the world now existing. God as a Collective Noun, satisfies Infinite Regressions et al.
@CarmineFragione God is a euphemism for what is unknown or incomprehensible, in this case you are using the word to mean infinity. If you are talking "outside the material world" then you are talking outside time, so which came "first" is irrelevant, they are simply conditions dependent upon each other. Without intelligence, the idea of matter wouldnt exist, without matter presumably intelligence wouldnt exist.
@alienzen This is why the Greek interpretation on the Divinity of God is complex to permit more than one behavior and lend to it as a unique "person" or character , that then plays a relationship of behavior that then rises to the esoteric power of the Entity, which is addressing the unknown quality that is apparently then the God. Unless the active part is itself in motion relative to another part, there is no reality , and so Science cannot reduce everything to a singularity.
@CarmineFragione agreed that I cannot imagine any kind of existence, not even nothingness, without some kind of time. But it depends what you mean by "reality". "Nothing" is "real" in a sense, but it doesnt "exist". The future exists in some sense, but not in the same way as the present. These things can never be directly seen but we infer their existence somehow, perhaps you can put God in this category if you want.
@alienzen Cell Division is a Divine Behavior, the One Cell, within all it's parts , part by part doubles itself, like seeing an image in the mirror and the mirror image becomes as real as the object. So the Cell divines all it's parts from one of each item to two of each item and then separates into two identical cells , which remain the original, equally so. After a while you have many cells , but they are yet the original single cell, but it has a unique behavior that is a miracle
@CarmineFragione Then bubbles are also divine...I must admit they are beautiful. Personally I find the idea of that every electron in the universe is in fact the same electron at all places at once...i find that much more mind blowing.
A group of Astrophysicists meet at a University Hall and begin to discuss the ramifications of Space Time anomalies, Then the light go out, and they are left in the dark ,even the public address system is down. So they grope about wondering what to do ,they cannot continue. So they call the Janitor and he comes and instructs them how to understand where electrical service panels are and how to reset fuses and trippers .So, the Janitor had a greater practical knowledge than all the Scientists.
@alienzen To bury a bone for future survival, is an intelligent act, since it moves out of the present tense, by recognition of time to a future recoverable plan. Perhaps the dog is not so conscious of it's own intelligence purpose, but a subliminal deep sub conscious strategy , is then evident that the dog has a life companion of an intelligent God, which moves through the activity of all things as they happen, and collect in places as unique memorials. God is Intelligence.
@CarmineFragione I guess you would say that a plant leaning towards sunlight is intelligence, but then the word loses any meaning. Instinct is obviously not intelligence, neither is knowledge in the case of the janitor. When we talk about intelligence, we are really talking about cognitive abilities. True intelligence ought not to be limited to specific tasks, but flexible.
@alienzen what do you mean by "cognitive ability" If you fall off the cliff, no matter how cognizant you are, you can do nothing intelligent, until you hit the ground ,and see if you have survived. Either the Behavior is Intelligent or the Actor is Intelligent. Which is it ? Being able to adapt one behavior to deal with another issue is Talent, but if the adaptation is not workable, the deal is not then Intelligent. One thing has to connect to another before there is Intelligence.
When you start talking about test scores and measurement, you are trapped in a paper reality. I deal in actual reality. Lebron James has more kinetic intelligence than Toni Morrison. Morrison has more linguistic intelligence than we do. No one will dispute what I'm saying. That is my proof.
@gmccall22 You can call it street smarts or our natural talents. It is the abilities that we were born with. The whole segregation thing was a scam. Human being were never segregated, we were integrated unfairly, and we still are. What I find amazing is that people are still sending their children to these schools that are training them for labor, as you said, when the labor does not exist. Thank you for your support and keep walking good.
@thinkingman2..A scam ? OMG...Is history being rewritten AGAIN ?..There's forms of segregation today...I have still living great grand parents and I doubt they'll lie to me about segregation...Maybe in the North is what you're referring to buddy...Streets smarts is a natural but how well does one adapt is the question, adapting to unsatisfactory conditions etc..
@gmccall22 I think that you are misunderstanding me. Lets us break it down. When blacks were on the bus, they had to sit in the back and had less seats. Whites got the front and could make a black stand up for them to sit. they were all on the bus (integration), but blacks were treated unjustly. That's what I meant by integrated unfairly. Tell me what you think. I love this dialogue.
@thinkingman2..You did say NEVER segregated . As far as ALL being on a bus ! Blacks had to pay bus fair, money wasn't turned down. Green seems to be the favorite color of every race....The multiple intelligence theory is the fairest of any, but how can one measure these intelligences ? No man can write a profound lecture on another mans head
@gmccall22 You are correct. Life is about to get interesting though because societies are going to have to move beyond money in order to survive. We'll see how people are going to respond.
i disagree strongly with lumping mathmatics and logic together. "logic" in my mind means thinking clearly and accurately regardless of outside or inside (emotional) stimuli...or something like that. but math might want to go along with some kind of mechanical intelligence...(as in spacial awareness, and mechanics). but, i am just thinking of the top of my head about this.
@Tartersauce101 I think that Gardner means logic in terms of putting things in order in terms of numerics. remember math is really about order & steps. Thank You for Watching our video
I think it's not such a great thing that many psychologists(people with professions often related to IQ's) actually have much influence in determining things like intelligence.I would say intelligence is a very'logical' thing,and should be looked at with a very 'logical' mindset.Unfortunately Psychology is not that much of a "logical" major.Neither seem the people who are very much interesed in "humans" the most logical among us.I think this could be quite a "bias" in the science of the subject
This can be very inaccurate, but can we consider that Autism is an extreme form of one of the multiple intelligence aspects coupled with an almost non existant form of all the others?
I mean, when we notice Autistics being exclusivery good at playing music, drawing, learning more than twenty languages, or seeing patterns in numbers, does that give evidence to support this theory?
Yes I think that we should create spaces where Autistic people can flourish instead of trying to make them conform. We are doing it backward and by dampening their genius we may be missing out on great discoveries. But when you live in a society that thrives on mediocrity, it is bound to go the wrong way. Thank you for your comment and I hope that you'll continue to watch our channel.
@BowBeneathMyFeet Yes, this does give evidence, but only one small part of what's needed to support Gardner's opinion. While science disagrees on much, ALL credible scientists agree that theories need converging evidence from different types of observations, with different populations, measured in different ways, etc... And note, this is exactly the kind of evidence that Gardner has NEVER produced. The uninformed want to believe Gardner's fad, but folks once thought the earth was flat too.
@ChuckBart100..A huge flaw in any intelligence test is that it does not , and cannot take into account the mood of the person whose intelligence is being evaluated . Attitude can account for all point differences between Asian, Black and White scores, IF intelligence were truly measurable at all
@gmccall22 But if intelligence is not measurable, then (a) How could attitude account for any point difference between any groups - no matter who they are? and (b) How could variation in scores based on test takers' moods be known to be a "HUGE flaw?" How could it's size be determined?
Can you describe the math on which your claims are based? What exactly is the science on which you base your claims?
@ChuckBart100.Psychometric tests address ONLY linguistic and some aspects of spatial while other forms are entirely ignored, intelligences the pencil & paper format rules out . There are no current tests to measure other intelligences.I said it "CAN" account. Exactly ! How could it be known (ones intelligence) based on a one dimensional test ? To simply slap a number on ones intellect is terminally daft, to give a profound lecture on other mens heads. And science is not the tell all to end all
@gmccall22 Some facts: 1) Psychometric test scores corelate well with success in both school and life, see the research - if they missed too much, how could this be so? 2) MI has been around for 25+ years, why are there no tests? The "other intelligences" cannot be tested because Gardner can't/won't define them in a testable way - a classic sign of pseudoscience. 3) Science: the best way to learn the truth of things. consider, science can tell us -to the second- the times of the 100 eclipses.
@ChuckBart100 .If one scored a 70 on an IQ test are they really destined or more likely to fail at life ? Outlandish in my opinion. And taking an IQ tests scoring 70 then taking it a second or third time, will one keep scoring 70 ? or will one do just a bit better the next time ? Psychometric tests doesn't cover intelligence as a whole. Maybe Gardner can't define them in a testable way because it CAN'T be tested...
@gmccall22 #1) Again, yes, if you score a 70 your prospects of a successful life are diminished. #2) If you score a 70 once, yes, you are likely to score a 70 again. Just look at the research on both these points, it's widely available. These tests are examined extensively for reliability. They are, in general, far better at what they do than other tests of less complex concepts. #3) "Maybe Gardner can't...." No, read what Gardner wrote.
@ChuckBart100..Since you "think" you know so much, then you must know the many flaws and unanswered questions concerning race and IQ.I'm assuming you also believe IQ correlates with crime. Likely to score 70 again ? Not according to the Flynn Effect...It would take a less intelligent person to accept IQ as fact considering it's many flaws..The brain size for one is ridicules...There's too many "maybes" or this is what we "think" may be the case regarding IQ. And still NO GENES have been found
@gmccall22 Keep this up and I'll have to start charging you for the tutoring: OK, #1) Recent IQ & race issues have to do with the misinterpretation of test results, not the tests as such. #2) The Flynn effect (changes across decades) has nothing to do with the same person (the example you gave) taking the test over. #3) You know what they say about assuming.... #4) Genes, brain size?? How are these related to these tests?
@ChuckBart100...How are genes and brain size related to IQ tests is what I'm asking you...Where are you going with this line of questioning ?. This is about genetics isn't ?. Rushton, Jensen and others say brain size is the cause of lower or higher IQ scores..WTF are you talking about ?
@ChuckBart100..IQ tests predict success ? U.S. labor stats having blacks earning second highest to whites ONLY, even more than Asian American, yet blacks IQ scores are at the very bottom . I smell bullshit
@ChuckBart100..You seem to be the one playing dodge ball here. You're the one that said IQ predicts success, not me..You're the one making correlations. How can one perform any physical task with no motor ability ? That's dumb...And I said Kinesthetics can be useful in other careers
@ChuckBart100..It was government policy and against the law for blacks to learn anything outside of how to labor, then have their intelligence tested ? And according to whites definition of intelligence ? Some nerve..lol..Being segregated until 1960, I'd think the test results would be obvious before they were administered ...
@ChuckBart100..I cannot provide the methodology no more than you can on intelligence tests, however human ambition to do well can account .Consequently, hypotheses about the effect of race and intelligence REMAIN UNPROVED...
@gmccall22 #3) continued: Science has never claimed to have all the answers, it is the best way to get the answers. Read some. #4) Of course I can tell the methodology for psychometric tests (I wouldn't be wrting here if I couldn't). It is largely based on "factor analysis," - taught in many intermediate statistics courses. Along with other independently established scientific procedures, they help show which claims can be supported, and claims make their authors money but don't help kids.
@ChuckBart100..Do you really thing solving problems on IQ tests, one can solve any problems, like life in general ? Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports ie Physically executing a play from a sports playbook, which has to be thought out first....Eclipses ? We're talking humans here, which is probably why no genes are being found to have a substantial effect on intelligence
@gmccall22 #3) OK, for a third time, investigations show that performance on IQ tests predicts success in life. If you have contradictory evidence, provide the citation, if not.... #4 But, your point about kinesthetic "intelligence," that's brilliant, well done! That is funny! " Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports..." OK if I use that as a joke example next I teach this unit? #5) Eclipses & genes: read a little science, it's great.
@ChuckBart100..Yes Kinesthetics : handling objects skillfully , having a good sense of timing and a clear sense of goal. WHAT'S SO FUNNY ? I guess it would be funny to you, considering your thinking linguistic tests may be all you know. Takes more BRAINS than brawn to be a great athlete. This Skill or gift can be use in other professions also...Investigations also show IQ predict very little, almost nothing. It boils down to the view YOU choose to accept
@gmccall22 What I thought was so funny was " Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports..." because according to that logic, my 300 lb college roommate, who had the muscle tone of a squid, was being tested every time he turned on ESPN. That's funny. What form does this test take? On a very serious side, honestly, how would this work for a quadriplegic? Please explain.
The view I accept is science as it's alleviated so much suffering, hunger, pain, and helped the lives of many
@ChuckBart100..Where did you get turning a TV on ? I meant actually watching athletes perform ...The view I'll accept is scientific also...I can name a host of geneticists , anthropologists , evolution scientists etc. who say IQ means next to nothing. Psychologists making genetic Assumption ? Accepting a psychologist view over a geneticist view ? No brainer , very unbalanced scale in my belief ...
@gmccall22 What's the difference between watching athletes live and on TV for this Kinesthetic test of yours? And the form of this test? I'm still wondering.
And the issue of someone with no motor abilities? What happens? Still wondering.
@ChuckBart100 ..Live or on TV ? You're getting desperate it seems. Can you read what I wrote earlier, or do i have to spell it crayon ? The form is watching, one can't assess by watching ? I can tell when one athlete is smarter than another easily . So far all you've giving me is a mouth full of greek salad...You're indirectly refuting your own claims
Must we trash this theory? If it brings hope to children and educators everywhere-maybe the trash is the last thing for it. Thanks for allowing me to share.
IQ is a left over remnant from a period of the eugenic movement and its modern usage is pure social Darwinism... dumb, smart, academically challenged, they're all constructs and labels in order to set social barriers. Segregate the so called imbeciles from the higher class white Anglo citizen.
IQ test were meant to be used to measure where children were intellectually, to be used as a marker for improvement. The wrong people got it and used it the way that you mention. Segregation is not real. We are always integrated, but not always in a fair way.
Segregation is about as real as it gets. While it wasn't Darwins idea and indeed Darwin rallied against the use of natural selection as a way of discerning intelligence his cousin Galton saw Darwin's theory and used it exactly for the purpose of segregation along the lines of Race, Colour, Creed, etc, with of course your average White Anglo-European at the top of the food chain. The research is out there and had Galton had his way we would all be paired off along the lines of how smart we are.
If you have a problem with MI take it up using empirical evidence and following the scientific method. Let me just say something IQ was not invented to measure intelligence, the original "IQ" tests invented by Binet were designed to measure academic success/failure.
Secondly IF IQ is a fixed value that identifies the intelligence potential of us as people then why can it be improved through study?
All IQ tests do is measure a persons ability to answer a test without studying.
Exactly, furthermore there's a myriad of people who don't fit the traditional mold of intelligence we've been using for the last 100 years. Bill Gates [university dropout] Richard Branson [dyslexic/never finished school] to name a few.
Even if you're inclined to support Sternberg, who's theory I think summarises Gardners point, there's a lot to suggest that MI is on the right track. The core of it is that we're individuals with different skills... or Intelligences if you believe Gardner
WRT lack of evidence of proof of increased performance resulting from use of MI in schools, perhaps a study might be done comparing performance in the Gardner schools to that in other private (or even public) schools.
I offer the facts I do because when people look for info on MI, I think they should hear from the side that relies on reliable, empirical evidence. Do school children deserve less? If you think so, why?
Youre right that change is inevitable, but remember that not all change is improvement. Time spent on fads that offer no improvement for our students wastes the time and more importantly, the good will of those teachers who continually invest their own energy in looking for improvements.
chrismca u seem to be clinically going to everything on MI and trashing it with the same argument, everywhere. change is inevitable...and academicians cannot see change until proved(in short u continue to train in the existing education system that creates factory workers in 19th century industiralism??)...but the world is willing to believe him cause it makes sense.
Can anyone provide even a single article from a serious journal or a juried conference paper that documents a link between the use of MI in school and improved performance? Im talking about observations of real school children & tasks.
Self-proclaimed educational consultants (mainly uninformed school-hustling, pedagogy pimps) take thousands of dollars from schools and claim that MI can help schools and children and offer no support for this claim. Can anyone cite ANY VALID evidence?
Am I the only one who can't hear this?
GerryMATW 4 months ago
@GerryMATW No some others have complained about the volume I made another version by the same name.
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Perhaps all the Dark Matter and Dark Energy we cannot grasp or measure, it because it is not moving, or moving too slowly to be sensed. Our own existence is a subliminal level of measure, since we move with the active part of the Cosmos at a relative rate of companionship to all material things. But if there is another "Matter" which is at Rest, and is not then apparent as real, for lack of movements, then we solve the riddle. "The Spirit of God moved over the Waters" Gen 1.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Perhaps all the Dark Matter and Dark Energy we cannot grasp or measure, it because it is not moving, or moving too slowly to be sensed. Our own existence is a subliminal level of measure, since we move with the active part of the Cosmos at a relative rate of companionship to all material things. But if there is another "Matter" which is at Rest, and is not then apparent as real, for lack of movements, then we solve the riddle. "The Spirit of God moved over the Waters" Gen 1.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Whatever has the power to move an object, the object which has the nature so as to be moved, is of a relationship leading back to the explanation of the Big Bang. That is enough information to invoke a Trinitarian formula. 1. Power to move an object . 2. Object with the nature so as to move 3. Design or a pathway of observable changes by an object in motion. The first is a Law, the second is a Matter, the third is a Behavior. Any one aspect is irrational to consider alone.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
When an object is free of all behavior, it has absolutely stopped moving, then it may not even "Exist" The Cabal of Noun sense and Verb sense to any object subjects it's existence to being a condition relative to all other things in motion as well. Nothing material can really ever stop dead, or it would become equal to the essential idea of the True Void. A stilled universe becomes immaterial and essentially a voided empty place. What is in a void, is anything that is not in motion.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Perhaps the Trinity explains best about God, since any one part of the explanation by itself is meaningless. What is a Father, without there being a Son ? Father is not a name of anything original, not the name of a being at all, but the first half only of a duality that is assigned a playing role of behavior, so the Father is a titled behavior, but cannot exist without the related Son, which also is a behavior. Irreducible Complexity means it cannot be reduced from two and be what it is.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Any Equation requires something to be expressed on both sides of the symbol of the equation "=" sign. A Dangling Metaphor of one sided information proves that some uniqueness to Reality requires duality be retained to also retain Rational Sense. Matter coming first before Intelligence, does not make any more sense than Intelligence coming before Matter, thus the Coupling must be imputed into a higher yet unknown Cabal of Unity by a Duality that only makes sense as an Equation = God.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Truth can be a coupled set notation of Intelligence and Matter, to which as the collective set of circumstances, it is impossible to explain, because the nature of explanation implies reducing complexity to various parts and explaining those relationships. Sensing intelligent behavior & sensing matter, is only our detection of a higher reality of a set notation. Irreducible, we cannot grapple with the complexity , which proves some things can never be taken apart and still make sense.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
What comes first , Intelligence or Materialism ? Either one can be first, they can be a duality beginning together, or one is not real, or neither is reality. The cause of Matter and Behavior of Matter, can be explained by Cell Division in Biology. Original first cell, "Divines" or inwardly doubles everything in the design and the original behaves to become two cells, then four, etc. This Behavior of Multiplication by Division is an Intelligent Behavior, owed to an outside Agency
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
When an explanation for Intelligent Life is given as being caused by God imputing the qualities of behavior into the Material Creation, objections are raised to ask , then who made God. That amounts to an infinite regression. which most inquisitive children often do by always asking "Why" No matter what explanation is given , the question is "Why ?" Because, Why ? Because . Why" One has to finally include all regressions into a set notation of that question "Why" and call it "God"
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
If a group of people were suddenly cast into a new and strange environment, yet it was a sustainable one, but the people had to adapt quickly and use all talents they have in novel ways, so as to quickly experiment and succeed. Those who can adapt and survive by using their own skills, in ways they never had done so before, would be showing the most valuable sense of "Intelligence" Adaptation, using past talents in new ways , in time to avoid extinction , is Intelligence.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
In a Civilization, skills required to continue the cohesion of society are valued and judged as issues of technical knowledge and intelligence. An Idiot Savant can determine what prior day was a given date, no matter how far back , the cause is simply mathematical and they can calculate numbers like a machine. But, they cannot explain the difference between what a person must do, and wishes to do, to show how a person has a free will and ambitions apart from necessity. "Discernment"
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Mathematical Theorems cannot themselves be proven as "Rational" except we have to accept these theories in the Abstract Powers , We cannot really prove in a material sense the value of Zero, because it makes the matter unlawful to be present, and then asks, what is there, when everything that is existing as tandem to the Material Universe, is taken away leaving what appears in a sense a true "Void" What is that, another entire Universe made of that which we cannot ever know ?
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Videos like this present a serious ethical problem. It tells teachers to spend their valuable time using a concept (MI) that has never been shown to improve student learning. That MI has no support is widely known, and this information is easily available to any responsible, diligent adult. What's the difference between: a) recommending an unsupported concept to folks with real educational needs and, b) a doctor giving only sugar pills to a patient who could benefit from proven medicine?
chrismca 4 months ago
Memory experts often use a talent for Rhyming everything to increase their ability to remember long lists of seemingly unrelated items. When a person exercises the talent to say " 2, 4, 6, 8, who do we appreciate" They have used a second talent of Rhymes to increase their memory performance. Rote Memorization can give Math Students the great edge , if they sing song and rhyme their equations , and make visual images of them, even in parody or comical sense, it adds power of remembering
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Multiple Intelligence may mean every single idea is itself an Intelligence, if it does agree with natural law, and works in the world. Every letter of the Alphabet , can have it's own unique sort of intelligence, and then calculate language arts . Every number can have it's own intelligence, and then collaborate in a unity of numbers to mean something elaborate. Every bit of information is it's own unique intelligence, if it has it's own identity and sign to itself, before it relates
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
Is Intelligence a description of the behavior, or is it a description of the power of the actor ? A super genius man who falls off the cliff and screams and waves his arms and legs around, in futility , never connecting to achieve any act, is that "Intelligent Behavior " ? Is the man unable to connect, ever intelligent, or is the act itself the essential reality that is intelligent ? Efficiency of Purpose, that does not fail to connect things , that is an intelligent act.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
I notice imagination is not on this chart.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen Imagination can cut across the intelligences. For example, someone who write novels uses their imagination with their linguistic intelligence. Someone who creates a new theorem use their imagination with their logical intelligence. etc.
thinkingman2 4 months ago
@thinkingman2 these "intelligences" seem to be oddly converging towards pseudonyms for school subjects, linguistic intelligence=english, kinetic intelligence=sport, spacial intelligence=art, etc. And since you say someone can use their imagination with logical intelligence..doesnt that suggest that this person is using two types of intelligence? I would say things like kinetic intelligence and social intelligence are specific, and more instincts than intelligence.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen the Mind is a model of the real world, where we attempt to rehearse the behaviors to attempt to believe they will agree with the real world, when we act. But unless one idea connects to another idea, one thought moving to another, and continuing with that motion or active playing, then there is no Mind. An idea may work in your mind, but that is not intelligence until you prove it can also work similarly in the real world. Ideas must survive the test to be intelligent.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione you seem to be describing science, not intelligence.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen maybe I am not describing "science" but "nature" Nature exists without Science, but Science cannot exist without Nature. Science is a "Humanity" an endeavor of human beings to investigate things in Nature to gain power over them. Why we wish to gain power over natural processes , may show what is Intelligence. If we can do what Nature already does, we would call ourselves "Intelligent" but what about Nature in it's own designs. Is the Act or the Actor the Intelligence ?
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione does nature make computers?
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen I think that computers are made out of natural substances put together in a certain way, with engineers (logical Intelligence).
thinkingman2 4 months ago
@alienzen "does nature make computers ?" Perhaps we need to consider that an Intelligence Exists before the Material Universe could even possibly exist, because it requires some nudge and some direction of motion before it started. So ,that idea of a natural computer, may be approaching the issue of God, and that everything that moves , yet might agree, with what Einstein said was " A Theory of Everything" We may have to adapt our ideas about Intelligence as not only about biology.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione it doesnt need any nudge. I dont find such God mumbo jumbo interesting. Im not talking about intelligence in some fundamental sense, more an intuitive sense, that is to say, what do you mean when you say a person is intelligent. Most people probably agree that an IQ test doesnt measure accurately an intelligent person, so what are those other faculties that we can intuitively sense as intelligence in other people, that is not measured by IQ.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen why do most people agree that IQ testing is not accurate ? Begin there, analyze the objections and try to determine motives attached to those objections, to see to what rationale is presented. When you ask a question to see what most people say, you have to first ask if their response is informed or just public sentiments . The Universe certainly needed a nudge, because logic says what is proven to have been created must have a cause. Random events never rise to Order
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione why do people believe that IQ testing is accurate? its certainly useful in determining aptitude for certain tasks. I believe ordered systems do arise out of choatic ones, or I heard it somewhere, but I cant prove it right now. Logic surely says that something must have been created without a cause, or else you would have an infinite regression of causes, which isnt very logical, although I wont say its not possible, just that it doesnt make any sense to me.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen Infinite Regressions are applicable to either a Theist view or Atheist view, it does not help either case. But the case that is rational is the issue, does Intelligence emerge only after random events of material substance support the behavior, or is there prior conditions , but outside the material world, in what other worlds may be or case may be that an Intelligence is the cause of the world now existing. God as a Collective Noun, satisfies Infinite Regressions et al.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione God is a euphemism for what is unknown or incomprehensible, in this case you are using the word to mean infinity. If you are talking "outside the material world" then you are talking outside time, so which came "first" is irrelevant, they are simply conditions dependent upon each other. Without intelligence, the idea of matter wouldnt exist, without matter presumably intelligence wouldnt exist.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen This is why the Greek interpretation on the Divinity of God is complex to permit more than one behavior and lend to it as a unique "person" or character , that then plays a relationship of behavior that then rises to the esoteric power of the Entity, which is addressing the unknown quality that is apparently then the God. Unless the active part is itself in motion relative to another part, there is no reality , and so Science cannot reduce everything to a singularity.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione agreed that I cannot imagine any kind of existence, not even nothingness, without some kind of time. But it depends what you mean by "reality". "Nothing" is "real" in a sense, but it doesnt "exist". The future exists in some sense, but not in the same way as the present. These things can never be directly seen but we infer their existence somehow, perhaps you can put God in this category if you want.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen Cell Division is a Divine Behavior, the One Cell, within all it's parts , part by part doubles itself, like seeing an image in the mirror and the mirror image becomes as real as the object. So the Cell divines all it's parts from one of each item to two of each item and then separates into two identical cells , which remain the original, equally so. After a while you have many cells , but they are yet the original single cell, but it has a unique behavior that is a miracle
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione Then bubbles are also divine...I must admit they are beautiful. Personally I find the idea of that every electron in the universe is in fact the same electron at all places at once...i find that much more mind blowing.
alienzen 4 months ago
A group of Astrophysicists meet at a University Hall and begin to discuss the ramifications of Space Time anomalies, Then the light go out, and they are left in the dark ,even the public address system is down. So they grope about wondering what to do ,they cannot continue. So they call the Janitor and he comes and instructs them how to understand where electrical service panels are and how to reset fuses and trippers .So, the Janitor had a greater practical knowledge than all the Scientists.
CarmineFragione 7 months ago
@CarmineFragione a dog might also be better able to find a where a bone is buried, thats not intelligence.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen To bury a bone for future survival, is an intelligent act, since it moves out of the present tense, by recognition of time to a future recoverable plan. Perhaps the dog is not so conscious of it's own intelligence purpose, but a subliminal deep sub conscious strategy , is then evident that the dog has a life companion of an intelligent God, which moves through the activity of all things as they happen, and collect in places as unique memorials. God is Intelligence.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
@CarmineFragione I guess you would say that a plant leaning towards sunlight is intelligence, but then the word loses any meaning. Instinct is obviously not intelligence, neither is knowledge in the case of the janitor. When we talk about intelligence, we are really talking about cognitive abilities. True intelligence ought not to be limited to specific tasks, but flexible.
alienzen 4 months ago
@alienzen what do you mean by "cognitive ability" If you fall off the cliff, no matter how cognizant you are, you can do nothing intelligent, until you hit the ground ,and see if you have survived. Either the Behavior is Intelligent or the Actor is Intelligent. Which is it ? Being able to adapt one behavior to deal with another issue is Talent, but if the adaptation is not workable, the deal is not then Intelligent. One thing has to connect to another before there is Intelligence.
CarmineFragione 4 months ago
strong audio
ack44 10 months ago
When you start talking about test scores and measurement, you are trapped in a paper reality. I deal in actual reality. Lebron James has more kinetic intelligence than Toni Morrison. Morrison has more linguistic intelligence than we do. No one will dispute what I'm saying. That is my proof.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
I think the Innerpersonal Intelligence is also referred to by Gardner as Street Smarts, which most won't survive in this world without
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 You can call it street smarts or our natural talents. It is the abilities that we were born with. The whole segregation thing was a scam. Human being were never segregated, we were integrated unfairly, and we still are. What I find amazing is that people are still sending their children to these schools that are training them for labor, as you said, when the labor does not exist. Thank you for your support and keep walking good.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
@thinkingman2..A scam ? OMG...Is history being rewritten AGAIN ?..There's forms of segregation today...I have still living great grand parents and I doubt they'll lie to me about segregation...Maybe in the North is what you're referring to buddy...Streets smarts is a natural but how well does one adapt is the question, adapting to unsatisfactory conditions etc..
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 I think that you are misunderstanding me. Lets us break it down. When blacks were on the bus, they had to sit in the back and had less seats. Whites got the front and could make a black stand up for them to sit. they were all on the bus (integration), but blacks were treated unjustly. That's what I meant by integrated unfairly. Tell me what you think. I love this dialogue.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
@thinkingman2..You did say NEVER segregated . As far as ALL being on a bus ! Blacks had to pay bus fair, money wasn't turned down. Green seems to be the favorite color of every race....The multiple intelligence theory is the fairest of any, but how can one measure these intelligences ? No man can write a profound lecture on another mans head
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 You are correct. Life is about to get interesting though because societies are going to have to move beyond money in order to survive. We'll see how people are going to respond.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
No This one is kind of low because I had a crappy microphone when I first started this channel. I have another MI Video with better volume.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
Maybe it could be something with my computer but this video is so low I can barely hear it.
troydeancarpenter 1 year ago
Good and keep doing your work with animals. subscribe to us and get new videos every week.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
i think is good he found out there where more then being good to math i was never godd in shool bot i am good to animals
andgolar87 1 year ago
i disagree strongly with lumping mathmatics and logic together. "logic" in my mind means thinking clearly and accurately regardless of outside or inside (emotional) stimuli...or something like that. but math might want to go along with some kind of mechanical intelligence...(as in spacial awareness, and mechanics). but, i am just thinking of the top of my head about this.
Tartersauce101 1 year ago
@Tartersauce101 I think that Gardner means logic in terms of putting things in order in terms of numerics. remember math is really about order & steps. Thank You for Watching our video
thinkingman2 1 year ago
I think it's not such a great thing that many psychologists(people with professions often related to IQ's) actually have much influence in determining things like intelligence.I would say intelligence is a very'logical' thing,and should be looked at with a very 'logical' mindset.Unfortunately Psychology is not that much of a "logical" major.Neither seem the people who are very much interesed in "humans" the most logical among us.I think this could be quite a "bias" in the science of the subject
PowerRedBull 1 year ago
This can be very inaccurate, but can we consider that Autism is an extreme form of one of the multiple intelligence aspects coupled with an almost non existant form of all the others?
I mean, when we notice Autistics being exclusivery good at playing music, drawing, learning more than twenty languages, or seeing patterns in numbers, does that give evidence to support this theory?
BowBeneathMyFeet 1 year ago
@BowBeneathMyFeet
Yes I think that we should create spaces where Autistic people can flourish instead of trying to make them conform. We are doing it backward and by dampening their genius we may be missing out on great discoveries. But when you live in a society that thrives on mediocrity, it is bound to go the wrong way. Thank you for your comment and I hope that you'll continue to watch our channel.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
@BowBeneathMyFeet Yes, this does give evidence, but only one small part of what's needed to support Gardner's opinion. While science disagrees on much, ALL credible scientists agree that theories need converging evidence from different types of observations, with different populations, measured in different ways, etc... And note, this is exactly the kind of evidence that Gardner has NEVER produced. The uninformed want to believe Gardner's fad, but folks once thought the earth was flat too.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..A huge flaw in any intelligence test is that it does not , and cannot take into account the mood of the person whose intelligence is being evaluated . Attitude can account for all point differences between Asian, Black and White scores, IF intelligence were truly measurable at all
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 But if intelligence is not measurable, then (a) How could attitude account for any point difference between any groups - no matter who they are? and (b) How could variation in scores based on test takers' moods be known to be a "HUGE flaw?" How could it's size be determined?
Can you describe the math on which your claims are based? What exactly is the science on which you base your claims?
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
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gmccall22 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100.Psychometric tests address ONLY linguistic and some aspects of spatial while other forms are entirely ignored, intelligences the pencil & paper format rules out . There are no current tests to measure other intelligences.I said it "CAN" account. Exactly ! How could it be known (ones intelligence) based on a one dimensional test ? To simply slap a number on ones intellect is terminally daft, to give a profound lecture on other mens heads. And science is not the tell all to end all
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 Some facts: 1) Psychometric test scores corelate well with success in both school and life, see the research - if they missed too much, how could this be so? 2) MI has been around for 25+ years, why are there no tests? The "other intelligences" cannot be tested because Gardner can't/won't define them in a testable way - a classic sign of pseudoscience. 3) Science: the best way to learn the truth of things. consider, science can tell us -to the second- the times of the 100 eclipses.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100 .If one scored a 70 on an IQ test are they really destined or more likely to fail at life ? Outlandish in my opinion. And taking an IQ tests scoring 70 then taking it a second or third time, will one keep scoring 70 ? or will one do just a bit better the next time ? Psychometric tests doesn't cover intelligence as a whole. Maybe Gardner can't define them in a testable way because it CAN'T be tested...
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 #1) Again, yes, if you score a 70 your prospects of a successful life are diminished. #2) If you score a 70 once, yes, you are likely to score a 70 again. Just look at the research on both these points, it's widely available. These tests are examined extensively for reliability. They are, in general, far better at what they do than other tests of less complex concepts. #3) "Maybe Gardner can't...." No, read what Gardner wrote.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..Since you "think" you know so much, then you must know the many flaws and unanswered questions concerning race and IQ.I'm assuming you also believe IQ correlates with crime. Likely to score 70 again ? Not according to the Flynn Effect...It would take a less intelligent person to accept IQ as fact considering it's many flaws..The brain size for one is ridicules...There's too many "maybes" or this is what we "think" may be the case regarding IQ. And still NO GENES have been found
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 Keep this up and I'll have to start charging you for the tutoring: OK, #1) Recent IQ & race issues have to do with the misinterpretation of test results, not the tests as such. #2) The Flynn effect (changes across decades) has nothing to do with the same person (the example you gave) taking the test over. #3) You know what they say about assuming.... #4) Genes, brain size?? How are these related to these tests?
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100...How are genes and brain size related to IQ tests is what I'm asking you...Where are you going with this line of questioning ?. This is about genetics isn't ?. Rushton, Jensen and others say brain size is the cause of lower or higher IQ scores..WTF are you talking about ?
gmccall22 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..IQ tests predict success ? U.S. labor stats having blacks earning second highest to whites ONLY, even more than Asian American, yet blacks IQ scores are at the very bottom . I smell bullshit
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 Where was the measure of IQ in the labor stats?
Oh, still waiting on evidence contradicting IQ life success.
Still waiting for info on the kinesthetic test of sports watching.
Still waiting on how this works with folks with no motor ability.
I smell ignorance.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..You seem to be the one playing dodge ball here. You're the one that said IQ predicts success, not me..You're the one making correlations. How can one perform any physical task with no motor ability ? That's dumb...And I said Kinesthetics can be useful in other careers
gmccall22 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..It was government policy and against the law for blacks to learn anything outside of how to labor, then have their intelligence tested ? And according to whites definition of intelligence ? Some nerve..lol..Being segregated until 1960, I'd think the test results would be obvious before they were administered ...
gmccall22 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..I cannot provide the methodology no more than you can on intelligence tests, however human ambition to do well can account .Consequently, hypotheses about the effect of race and intelligence REMAIN UNPROVED...
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 #3) continued: Science has never claimed to have all the answers, it is the best way to get the answers. Read some. #4) Of course I can tell the methodology for psychometric tests (I wouldn't be wrting here if I couldn't). It is largely based on "factor analysis," - taught in many intermediate statistics courses. Along with other independently established scientific procedures, they help show which claims can be supported, and claims make their authors money but don't help kids.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..Do you really thing solving problems on IQ tests, one can solve any problems, like life in general ? Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports ie Physically executing a play from a sports playbook, which has to be thought out first....Eclipses ? We're talking humans here, which is probably why no genes are being found to have a substantial effect on intelligence
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 #3) OK, for a third time, investigations show that performance on IQ tests predicts success in life. If you have contradictory evidence, provide the citation, if not.... #4 But, your point about kinesthetic "intelligence," that's brilliant, well done! That is funny! " Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports..." OK if I use that as a joke example next I teach this unit? #5) Eclipses & genes: read a little science, it's great.
But kinesthetic, that's funny!
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..Yes Kinesthetics : handling objects skillfully , having a good sense of timing and a clear sense of goal. WHAT'S SO FUNNY ? I guess it would be funny to you, considering your thinking linguistic tests may be all you know. Takes more BRAINS than brawn to be a great athlete. This Skill or gift can be use in other professions also...Investigations also show IQ predict very little, almost nothing. It boils down to the view YOU choose to accept
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 What I thought was so funny was " Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports..." because according to that logic, my 300 lb college roommate, who had the muscle tone of a squid, was being tested every time he turned on ESPN. That's funny. What form does this test take? On a very serious side, honestly, how would this work for a quadriplegic? Please explain.
The view I accept is science as it's alleviated so much suffering, hunger, pain, and helped the lives of many
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100..Where did you get turning a TV on ? I meant actually watching athletes perform ...The view I'll accept is scientific also...I can name a host of geneticists , anthropologists , evolution scientists etc. who say IQ means next to nothing. Psychologists making genetic Assumption ? Accepting a psychologist view over a geneticist view ? No brainer , very unbalanced scale in my belief ...
gmccall22 1 year ago
@gmccall22 What's the difference between watching athletes live and on TV for this Kinesthetic test of yours? And the form of this test? I'm still wondering.
And the issue of someone with no motor abilities? What happens? Still wondering.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
@ChuckBart100 ..Live or on TV ? You're getting desperate it seems. Can you read what I wrote earlier, or do i have to spell it crayon ? The form is watching, one can't assess by watching ? I can tell when one athlete is smarter than another easily . So far all you've giving me is a mouth full of greek salad...You're indirectly refuting your own claims
gmccall22 1 year ago
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@gmccall22 Let's look at what you wrote " Kinesthetic Intelligence is tested every time we watch sports..." so watching is a test?
Still waiting on how the kinesthetic test of sports watching works with folks with no motor ability.
Still waiting on the measure of IQ in the labor stats?
Still waiting on evidence contradicting IQ life success.
I still smell ignorance.
ChuckBart100 1 year ago
Must we trash this theory? If it brings hope to children and educators everywhere-maybe the trash is the last thing for it. Thanks for allowing me to share.
BrillantDel 1 year ago
IQ is a left over remnant from a period of the eugenic movement and its modern usage is pure social Darwinism... dumb, smart, academically challenged, they're all constructs and labels in order to set social barriers. Segregate the so called imbeciles from the higher class white Anglo citizen.
orestes1984 1 year ago
IQ test were meant to be used to measure where children were intellectually, to be used as a marker for improvement. The wrong people got it and used it the way that you mention. Segregation is not real. We are always integrated, but not always in a fair way.
thinkingman2 1 year ago
Segregation is about as real as it gets. While it wasn't Darwins idea and indeed Darwin rallied against the use of natural selection as a way of discerning intelligence his cousin Galton saw Darwin's theory and used it exactly for the purpose of segregation along the lines of Race, Colour, Creed, etc, with of course your average White Anglo-European at the top of the food chain. The research is out there and had Galton had his way we would all be paired off along the lines of how smart we are.
orestes1984 1 year ago
If you have a problem with MI take it up using empirical evidence and following the scientific method. Let me just say something IQ was not invented to measure intelligence, the original "IQ" tests invented by Binet were designed to measure academic success/failure.
Secondly IF IQ is a fixed value that identifies the intelligence potential of us as people then why can it be improved through study?
All IQ tests do is measure a persons ability to answer a test without studying.
orestes1984 1 year ago
Yes you are correct. academic success does not always determine accomplishment
thinkingman2 1 year ago
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orestes1984 1 year ago
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Exactly, furthermore there's a myriad of people who don't fit the traditional mold of intelligence we've been using for the last 100 years. Bill Gates [university dropout] Richard Branson [dyslexic/never finished school] to name a few.
Even if you're inclined to support Sternberg, who's theory I think summarises Gardners point, there's a lot to suggest that MI is on the right track. The core of it is that we're individuals with different skills... or Intelligences if you believe Gardner
orestes1984 1 year ago
WRT lack of evidence of proof of increased performance resulting from use of MI in schools, perhaps a study might be done comparing performance in the Gardner schools to that in other private (or even public) schools.
iquadriviumsociety 2 years ago
I offer the facts I do because when people look for info on MI, I think they should hear from the side that relies on reliable, empirical evidence. Do school children deserve less? If you think so, why?
Youre right that change is inevitable, but remember that not all change is improvement. Time spent on fads that offer no improvement for our students wastes the time and more importantly, the good will of those teachers who continually invest their own energy in looking for improvements.
chrismca 2 years ago
chrismca u seem to be clinically going to everything on MI and trashing it with the same argument, everywhere. change is inevitable...and academicians cannot see change until proved(in short u continue to train in the existing education system that creates factory workers in 19th century industiralism??)...but the world is willing to believe him cause it makes sense.
SplineTol 2 years ago
"Frames of Mind" good read :)
BookCollector100 2 years ago
I read it. Mostly good rational arguments, but nothing empirical.
Nothing.
Thanks.
chrismca 2 years ago
Can anyone provide even a single article from a serious journal or a juried conference paper that documents a link between the use of MI in school and improved performance? Im talking about observations of real school children & tasks.
Self-proclaimed educational consultants (mainly uninformed school-hustling, pedagogy pimps) take thousands of dollars from schools and claim that MI can help schools and children and offer no support for this claim. Can anyone cite ANY VALID evidence?
chrismca 2 years ago
The audio is, well, virtually inaudible. :(
mistercooke 3 years ago