@crackaddict444 GM had nothing to do with closing GM. Revenues come from selling Toyotas. Even the Vibe is a Toyota product. GM going bankrupt meant Toyota could've bought GM's 1/2 of the plant for pennies on the dollar; but instead, Toyota choose to close their highest quality plant so they could pay their workers lower wages in a non-union plant. Also, their severance pay was nothing. Toyota had so much cash, they could've paid us a million each and had 10s of billions in cash left over
This so-called "riot" was staged. The "company activists" called for a meeting at the union hall 1 week ahead of when they were supposed to meet and made a lot of inflammatory lies in their fake newsletter... "Autoworkers News". They got everyone focused on the petty union dues while Toyota had $39 billion in cash in the bank. "ihatebeets" and another person had cameras ready to film "the show" as they called it in "Autoworkers News".
@MotherMuckraker if ihatebeets can get into the minds of others and cause such mayhem maybe she could send her psychic messages and convince you to break the cycle of cowardice and reveal your identity!
The union had nothing to do with closing down NUMMI. Toyota ran a union busting operation to get rid of their only union plant so they could lower wages. "ihatebeets" was one of the ones who worked with the company to "bust the union". She should be ashamed of herself.
@MotherMuckraker Oh please get over yourself. GM is the one who caused NUMMI to close by pulling out of the JV. Without Toyota paying for your severance, you would have gotten NOTHING. GM is the one you should all be channeling your anger on.
So typical of Union tactics. My dad was a member of this union. I remember when he could no longer write them checks as a retiree, he asked me to do it for him. I told him that he should not be throwing good money after bad. He said, "Oh they've been so good to me." I told him, "No, they haven't been, they've just made you think that they have." Anyway, when Dad asked me to continue writing them checks, I did, & tossed them into the shredder, so that the Union could no longer profit from him.
if these people would actually take that kind of energy to work...USA would still be to #1 producer in the world right now. however, all these people want is less work and more pay...no wonder all of the manufacturing jobs has gone overseas where workers appreciate the job oppontunity instead of bitchin and not wanting to work...like most union workers (excluding Police, Fire and Teachers). This country can be #1 again if we get rid of unions!
Hi brothers and sisters,I am a union member in Ohio.The same thing that happened to you is happening everywhere.We need to vote the freeloading leadership out of our union halls.They don't do anything for us,we have to start grassroots again.
I grew up in Lowell MA, a union mill town. All up and down the Merrimac river there were hundreds of mills employing hundreds of thousands of workers that manufactured all the goods of our nation, they made the wealth of the nation
As the times changed, the unions didn't or wouldn't. Jobs left, people left, stores left. Every mill town became a ghost town, mills burnt (some insurance fraud to be sure) High tech (non-union) took up some slack, but not nearly enough
Lot of attacks on capitalism. The only reason anyone wants to install socialism here is because of all the wealth - built by capitalism. Okay so fine, lets remove capitalism and centralize the power across the whole world and then, where will you escape to? I'm still waiting to see where socialism is improving lives.
Time to "man up", take responsibility, and make things happen, rather than bitch about how the man has you down. That's what builds wealth, not by screaming like a 2yr old.
The thugs prove violent revolution needed. Capitalist unions are another bunch of native chiefs for the pirates(capitalists)to pay off on Treasure Island. Until the natives kill the native chiefs, they will remain monkeys and the pirates will continue to make off with the island's gold, fruit, wood, and pussy. That's why it's a joke work for others. If you are not going to have balls enough for a socialist revolution be a capitalist or SHUT THE FUCK UP SLAVE-MONKEY
You and every other "socialist revolution" piece of shit need to move to one of the 3rd world countries that you so desire America to become. If you don't like it here go the fuck away. Take your criminal alien friends, "spread the wealth", "free" healthcare, and your boyfriend with you.
Unions only look after number one - themselves - enriching themselves at the expense of the workers. The workers simply don't have the foresight to know that by negotiating for higher wages they are destroying their own jobs in the long run. Companies must be able to make a profit in order to keep operating. Now, sadly, the day of reckoning is here for NUMMI and jobs are being cut wholesale. They can blame the unions and the union bosses that became rich over the years at their expense.
Unions or union leaders, you see no difference? And implict in your statement is that workers with their 'lack of foresight' are not entitled to a decent standard of living. Thanks. You a banker?
@1Mehring1 Who cares if he is. He makes more mnoey (hopefully) and is better educated then the unions folks down there in Michigan, California, Ohio, New Jersey, Peensylvania, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.
Which mind you are the most debt-ridden, unproductive and dumbest states I've seen.
Strangely, these 'better educated' bankers who 'hopefully' earn more money than union members, thought that Ireland, the 'Celtic Tigre' was a shining example of monetarism. As for California, the most populous and productive state in the US, well if that's no good, not much future for a capitalist USA, no? I agree.
@lastory2006 : The workers are the union! These workers are going through a tough time, along with their leaders. I don't know of any union leaders who are getting rich over the years; they worked in that plant, also.
It's a sad day when UAW workers resort to acting like Tea Party people at Town Hall Meetings.
The problem is leadership. The IWW is the only real union this country has ever had, and it's dead. These union bosses are collaborators with the bourgeoisie. If these goddamn class traitors could realize the function of a union, they could figure out what to do. But they cannot, because they collaborate with the bosses they are supposed to be defending their workers against. Hang this traitor by his balls, proletarian! Then fire your boss and go right back into the factory!
@johnnyr55556 A banker is a banker, does not matter if it's jew, indian, chinese, or any other ethnicity. Capitalists collaborate with other capitalists around worldwide to defend their class interests, using nationalism to poison and divide the proletariat. Workers of the WORLD MUST unite!
Marx and Lenin saw the limits of trade unions in capitalism. Unions without a political goal of socialism deadend in "economism" or haggling over money(which the capitalists, who control the mint, can make worthless overnight). That is the biggest illusion of unions--that they will bring the workers security under capitalism; impossible! POWER MUST BE SEIZED!
@StevieRevbo The UAW own 35% of GM and 55% of Chrysler. Chrysler is, right now, moving a parts plant in NY state to Mexico. While the union officials were in meetings, planning the move, they were also outside the building organizing a protest against Chrysler because of the planned move.
This "leader" showed his real self as a fake and a thug. He was also far behind the power curve. His only task should be to defend each and every job.
I love this. The rank and file know that the union is screwing them and making money by doing so. It gives me great joy to see the workers stand up for their rights and go after their supine, betraying "leaders". It's time for the workers to form their own independent committees and take over the factories!!
The Unions have become obsolete. In the 1930's they are the guardian of workers rights against company abuses. Nowadays with laws and people being aware of their rights the unions have become a hindrance for progress. Companies with Unions can't be flexible to meet sudden changes in the business. CBA stipulations sometimes made companies pay workers even if there are no work to be done.
That's obviously not what happened in this picture. What does that have to do with a real thing like this? This is a picture of real workers trying to use their union for themselves -- to defend their jobs and benefits. What your seeing IS progress at it's grass roots.
@firetaker25 The reality here is that in times of economic hardship Toyota or any manufacturing companies don't want to be tied up with CBA stipulations in making maneuvers to adjust spending. Can't do that at NUMMI or any union plant since CBA has so many restrictions such as payment of wages even when there is no work order.
Toyota would rather go to a none UNION state were employees can waive right to unionize. California is a Union State and it's union busting to prevent unionization.
"The reality here is...times of economic hardship..." You're right to start with that phrase. You might take note of the most direct cause of this economic crises, which was of course not the existence of unions, but the deregulation of banking. There have also been declining real wages for long before this crisis. Unemployment is historically high, auto sales are down for now and the foreseeable future.
There have been non-union states forever. Removing unions will not stop economic crises. In fact, that will probably exacerbate them. It would take us back to a system pre-1929, with no unemployment or social security benefits, etc. That might bring on a 1929-type crash, even far worse than the present one.
It's less CBA stipulations here, than concern over the profit rate, and the steep decline in auto sales due to the crisis. It won't help in the long run to pay the workers less, who buy the cars in the first place.
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Unions tend to attract the most shiftless losers in society. They talk about "fighting" for their jobs as if it's an entitlement. No one owes you anything, dopes. When I disliked my job I quit then started my own companies, instead of whining about how they should be loyal to me. That's the difference between a winner and a loser: winners take initiative and responsibility for their fate; losers complain things are changing and pray others will help them.
veryslyfox, you didn't like your job, or was it the people you worked with didn't like you? If you were as well off as you proclaim, why are you here? Do I believe you are who you say you are, No, not a chance, Your post are angry and self promoting on a subject that has nothing to do with this here.
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The unions have no one to blame but themselves!! Perfect example at how the unions killed the USA.. The union leaders keep demanding and threating the businesses and before long, the businesses cant compete with the market and its easier to move production into "right to work' states or even into other countries.
Unions workers think thay have the business owners by the balls but dont realize that unions need businesses to survive, businesses dont need unions to survive! And that's the truth!
No, the truth is that without Unions you would get any of the benefits you have at companies now. Companies have no loyalty to workers and their years of service, they only care about the bottom line. You're a fool if you don't think that you can be replaced by someone who is willing to do it cheaper.
One thing Unions have yet to realize is that they can only keep demanding more and more until a company either goes out of business or they just move to a "right to work" state or into another country.. and if that happens then what happens to the Union and its workers!?!? THE UNION AND ITS WORKERS ARE OUT OF A JOB!!!!!!
That's why I say; Unions NEED Businesses to survive, Businesses DON"T need Unions to survive!! And they wonder why America has lost most of its manufacturing to other nations?? Its because the corrupt Unions keep demanding and demanding.. Until it is only in the companies best interest to look elswhere for cheaper labor. that is the beauty of a free trade market!! I'm right and your wrong, And That's The End Of The Story!!
@JM3isme : On the contrary, businesses need workers to survive. Where is your evidence to back up your claims that union workers are the cause of the decline of manufacturing? The majority of manufacturing jobs lost in our country were; and are non-union manufacturing jobs.
Union workers support democtats through their union membership, democrats support free trade(NAFTA), free trade caused the decline of manufacturing. Simple
You're thinking the exact way THEY want you to think. And like the above poster said, the unions don't have to "learn" anything! They are in the employ of the owners and the banks. they are NOT there for the worker. That's over--and has been for a few decades. Working people need to break away from the corrupt unions and the two parties and form a mass political party of their own and fight for a socialism! Read the WSWS every day.
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@Howler Are you serious??? Your stupidity amazes me. Oh, I just figured out how you are such a brainless piece of shit. You've been drinking dictator obama's cool-aid haven't you? If you so desire to be part of a shitty socialist third world country get the fuck out of my AMERICA.!!! Mass political party = dictatorship. I hope the sleeping giant that is the AMERICAN people wakes up soon and destroys you socialist pricks and your "revolution".
The State laws have enough protection for the workers and that is why the unions are nonproductive they have to protect people not qualified for manufacturing work to get the votes they need.
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While the plant, operated by both Toyota and GM, has offered a maximum of $50,000 to $60,000 (depending on the workers length of service), the union is seeking more.
I don't know where you get your info, but you are so wrong, Toyota is offering $15,000. You only get more if you're at work from Aug. to April. If you're lucky you'll get $50,000. You might want to check your sources.
Toyata sales down, thanks to boycott and recall. Now $165 million can't be funded since loan on future profit is jeopardized. Toyota losing prime status and no assets available for lien. Book of accounts not shown.
Result; Watch for the news Toyota will have to withdraw retention proposal or reduce it drastically. Since no contract is stipulated it can't be enforced in court. Only recourse is strike and protest.
In order to have a lien even in case of bankruptcy proposal must be accepted and
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like I said , Toyota also has flaws, but that doesn't erase the fact they they do make quality cars, EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, FACT IS FACT. They have these problems now, but overall how many years have they made quality cars?? You're just looking at 2009. Look at the whole picture.
Looks like emotions took complete control of this meeting. Those in it should be embarrassed, especially those in the audience.
Unions aren't the blame for a companys downfall, its management decisions, or lack thereof! The companies own the business, not the Unions! People only blame the Union (any union) out of ignorance! Yes Ignorance!
Just goes to show you what little to do know! The Unions do NOT own nor RUN. Yes they have an interest but 15% does NOT control the Business. As for Chrysler, they do not own the majority either!
I love how the (I assume) woman who is shooting this video starts yelling 'great leadership.' What a bunch of animals.. I would like to see any one of the mob members in this video to stand up there and deal with what that guys has to deal with. I wish I had never seen this.. makes me not want a Ford now.
Whatever, you must be a pussy who would never want to fight for your job. Has nothing to do with unions asshole. It has to do with feeding children, paying the mortgage, etc.... Sure these people are out of control, but given the circumstances, i dont blame them. Dick.
No hopefully he won't have a job with the international, not after this video. They would be crazy to continue with that type of leader. You need someone with good ethics, great communication skills, and educated, which he proved he has none of these.
Sitting here and blaming a political party or a Union is allowing NUMMI/Toyota to think they are walking away with their hands clean from this blood bath. It saddens me to see that Corporations are able to desolate the blue collar work force and expect the very people who made them to scramble about for left over crumbs.
@jill413 Toyota will hire other people, that's not the issue. I had to move from MI because unions killed the state industry. They are run like an enforcement racket and absolutely stifle the flexibility and innovation American companies need to survive today. They demand higher and higher wages that eventually shuts the company down because we demand lower prices at the checkout counter.
Unions once served a good purpose but now anyone can move and get a better job if they're dissed at work.
This is NOT a political debates folks. My personal feelings are that Corporations only care about THEIR CEO's Golden Parachutes and those for upper management. As for the workers who made them their profits... I guess Toyota/NUMMI felt that they were not getting enough return.
Obama's 'Hope & Change'. In reality it's 'no hope and a change for the worse' for these workers. Obama supports the union thugs, not the working man on the assembly line.
These clowns went to LA and told people not to buy Toyota, When Toyota is the one that Gave them 6 months notice, and the money theyre about to give us. They should have went told people, not to buy GM. Because GM is the one that pulled out of Nummi in 2 weeks notice.
I bet when our union went to San Diego and L.A. they probably spent an hour boycotting and getting signatures b4 they and their families hit up Disneyland and Sea World. It's funny when the company is doing good the union members jobs are cake but when the shit hits the fan pussies like Javier and Sergio crack under pressure. Grow some phukn nuts. By the way Javier Jr. I like the way you ran up to pops after he dropped a couple F-bombs and hold him back like he was gonna do something.Yeah right
@jill413 LOL and what is your Savier doing now to the financial integrity of US?? spend more money then any other president in his first year, yeayyy.
you should care what the media says, videos says a thousand words, and it showed what a bunch of scumbags work at nummi, not everyone, because there's always a few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of the workers.
@veryslyfox@veryslyfox Go ahead and throw them stones. I'll be willing to bet that you spend a small fortune on Glass Cleaner for your house. Perhaps you would care to look into a mirror when you make inflammatory statement. Being a elitist does not make you intelligent.
Props to MsKris333. You go ahead and testify the truth. I am a DEMOCRAT. And I can see the 'Corporate Sharks' for who and what they are. The Corporations of this world ARE destroying the very fabric of our existence. Our livelihoods, our families, our financial security is being raped by them, with nary a thought or concern for all the years of service we have given or the profitability to their Corporations.
Man, the Company(Toyota) must be just laughing their asses off behind your back. They lied to, they are playing you like a violin. You took your eye off the prize and are now fighting amongst yourselves. Meanwhile, management and Toyota go on, not losing any sleep over your blood, sweat and broken bodies.
Frustratedworker2244: you sound like your suckin up for a job. Hope you get sent to Texas, that way TOYOTA will can your dumb ass within a few weeks like evryone else that has been sent there. You're the reason YOUR union is floundering. Where were you on the picket line? You are suppose to fight WITH your union, not against them.
The union leaders are doing the bidding of the UAW international. Toyota is not the problem, GM is. and now the UAW international owns 18% of the NEW GM, they are not going after them, they are going after their former partner, demonizing them, at our expeince. They are supposed to be our elected representitives, but they have sold out to the International. We are just pawns on the table to be used as they please.
when Javier stated they he and all the others would be " out of a job" that is a lie. The union leaders will be switching over to the international, continuing to work. It is we the rank and file that will be " out of work". NUMMI ( TOYOTA) is still employeeing us, providing pay and benifits, and they are harassing the company for pure politics at our expence. The offer from the company is very generous, particularly concidering that they can give us nothing.
They have been doing trips for friends and family like that for years on our union dues. We are losing our jobs in 2 months, and while they complain that the company is being cheat with there offer. The union is not offering us any thing. Where is our money, spent on free vacations for Family and friends over the years. The union is full of family and friends in appionted positions. It is more a private club than any kind of representitve organization
These union leaders are shrewd, they know how to control the meeting, and how to lock out all voices of opposition. Unfortunitlay the only way to be heard is to yell out. these guys stole our election last year. they do as they please. They do not ask us what we want. It is truely a dictatorship with Javier as the dictator. A few weeks ago they with a group of friends (about 100 ) all went down to Palm Springs for about 4-5 nights, on us, our money.
I do take some fault, It was terrible. I was not expecting to happen, what had. I nwas suddenly right in the center of a out of control situation, a bit of a shocking experience. I'm still in a bit of shock from it. people could have been hurt. It is for that reason that i will not be attending any future meetings, for my health and the well being of the rest of the membership.
"I can serve another kind of meat to your mother other than my d**k"
More and more this video, as well as the responses by some of you Nummi workers is starting to show some of your true colors. If you are going to call out one person for their "profane" comments then you need to call out everyone that does it just like this video you posted calling out your union lead for cussing at one of your fellow workers.
The media doesn't look at this and say what a horrible Union lead, they as well as the public who have seen this video look in disgust at all of you. Whether or not you guys get a fair shake is unknown, but with continued outbursts from both sides don't expect to gain much. The image of Nummi and all its workers from this video is bad do to the actions shown.
dagv84- Anyone paying attention to what is going on doesn't give a flip what the 'media' says. I am part of the public and I don't look on anyone other than the union so called leaders with disgust. These people whom you are lecturing have been paying for a service with every hour that they work. Just wondering who you work for?
@frustratedworker2244: I understand your frustration with the situation as I'm sure it is tough knowing everything is at risk. I don't condone what the union lead did as his emotions should be in check do to his position even if he wants to go off on someone. You need to shoulder the blame as well though. Expecting to get your point across by screaming at someone is classes and in a proper union meeting you would have been kicked out. Your emotions need to be in check as well.
You have every right to be heard, there are ways to talk to workers and have them listen and be heard. Javier needs to either go back to school and learn communication skills or learn to work hard and not just shuffle paperwork.
@ihatebeets, can't take the heat on this blog,, you're not too bright, because if you were, this blogger (youlosetoday80) shouldn't bother you, What should bother you is the way Javier disrespected you and all those people.Didn't you say (" when you start disrespecting people then you get my attention."). I don't think it did, because if you work at nummi you got disrespected in the worst way, and not by anyone giving their opinion, on this blog.
Stop, with the ignorance, now you're blaming the President. This was in the works way before he came into office. Watch some news, read up on current events, before making any statements. Toyota is doing what everyone is and should be doing ( SAVING MONEY), unless you could spend foolishly.
I'm the guy that Javier swore at, The grey haired guy wearing the red coat. I want to apologize to everyone in attendence that day. It has been a very difficult time for all of us at Nummi these last couple of years. It is hard dealing with all the rumors, and the lack of facts. Our Union has sold out to the International. They no longer represent us. Javier thinks he is a dictator, He doesn't ask, He tells us. He needs to step down. They are supposed to be elected representives. God bless all
The rank and file should be proud of what they did at that meeting. The union has indeed sold out the workers and the workers must fight back by creating their own, independent workers committee and taking over the factory. Javier displayed his contempt for the rank and file by swearing at you. He and the other fat cats have to go!
It's sad that things have come to this.I remember a time when I was proud to work for NUMMI and have a great union.I don't blame the union or the company,we are all victims of the economy taking a huge downturn.G.M. had to sell its assets and Toyota can't maintain by themselves in this expensive ass state.The frustration of the workers is understandable and the union is doing what they can with little or no leverage to work with.We should be happy to get what we can and enjoy our remaining time
The International Union has seen this, FYI !!!!! It's on the TV news, radio, and Javier Contreras is named very clearly. Now who is the loser, not even allied waste will want him.
@ihatebeets I appreciate the complement. Being sarcastic is fun, but you have to also complement irh982. He provided the things I needed to respond back. I couldn't just ignore it when I knew I had some good responses for him. Again like I said this was fun, but I'm off. Good luck on the fight. Hopefully something good happens so you guys get paid out decently or I am pretty sure a massive fire will erupt at Nummi on April 1st from all you guys for being burned by the severance packages.
irh982: it's not that they don't know, its that people don't care. It's a sad truth, but an honest one. Anyway, I'm done with this. It was fun at first, but I'm bored and have things to do. Maybe someone else will come on here and argue with you. If you want to prove your point the whole cash register thing doesn't work. It's a guaranteed fail for you. Come on you got a degree you should know that. Don't be like that guy yelling like a nut before he got cussed out. He didn't accomplish anything.
If its only worth $15 bucks an hour then why is it other Toyota plants only make 5 dollars an hour less then we do? And other Toyota plants are non union. Once again you demonstrate that people who don't know what they are talking about should shut up. California has a significantly higher cost of living than other states in which Toyota has plants. So of course the wage is bound to be a little bit higher. For the record, Toyota was willing to stay, they just didn't want to run Nummi alone.
The problem is the union with these uneducated guys running it, maybe you should have got rid of these guys, and put someone with a bit of intelligence.
But from a corporate standpoint, why would you continue to run an operation that didn't make a profit in 25 years, save for one, once the primary purpose - joint relationship with GM - had vanished?
NUMMI workers felt entitled to their jobs, and none would believe that Toyota would shut down the plant if GM left. Could concessions have been made by the union to bring the costs down and competitive to those in the midwest? sure!
Hmmm a room of monkey see monkey do workers realizing that the scam they ran for years finally is coming to an end. What's funny is how these uneducated people are mad at an uneducated union president for cussing at them. Just realize what people probably said you'd amount to in high school is coming true, nothing and that's if half of you finished high school. Thumbs up to Toyota and GM for doing the right thing.
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youlosetoday80 --- "Just realize what people probably said you'd amount to in high school is coming true, nothing and that's if half of you finished high school."
Maybe you should look up the definition of a run on sentence before you start to question anyone else's intelligence you fucking dumb ass.
I have a degree, and another job lined up in May, so I'm not sweating anything. However, not everyone is so fortunate. I find it interesting that you relish the fact that so many people are going to be hurting because of this unfortunate event. We have families and children that depend on us. What kind of sadistic ass hole are you to laugh at other people's misfortune? I might be one of the "scammers" loosing my job, but I would never wish such evil on anyone. You have no class.
i'm just reading your convo between "youlose" and you actually have no room to call him a "dumbass" and point out run on sentences...you can't even fucking spell correctly. You want start being petty, be my guest.
And it's not that he's being mean, he's just being honest. Truth hurts sometimes.=)
I was not being petty, he was. Yes, I overlooked a typo, call me a moron. As far as the truth hurting, if you do not work at Nummi then you do not have a clue what it is like there, or what has been going on. His comments have consistently been petty and mean spirited to people who will struggle to feed their children after Nummi closes. So, if he wants to sink to that level, them I can join him.
@irh982 You say I have a run on sentence yet you can't even spell "LOSING" right. Receiving a degree from clown college doesn't mean you have achieved anything except learning how to drive a buggie with 10 people in it.
"You have no class"
You obviously aren't paying attention. The way everyone in the video was acting, it's apparent you don't know what class is. Good luck in May at McDonald's. All that monkey see monkey do work you did at Nummi will help when flipping hamburgers.
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ihatebeets 4 months ago
@crackaddict444 GM had nothing to do with closing GM. Revenues come from selling Toyotas. Even the Vibe is a Toyota product. GM going bankrupt meant Toyota could've bought GM's 1/2 of the plant for pennies on the dollar; but instead, Toyota choose to close their highest quality plant so they could pay their workers lower wages in a non-union plant. Also, their severance pay was nothing. Toyota had so much cash, they could've paid us a million each and had 10s of billions in cash left over
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MotherMuckraker 6 months ago
This so-called "riot" was staged. The "company activists" called for a meeting at the union hall 1 week ahead of when they were supposed to meet and made a lot of inflammatory lies in their fake newsletter... "Autoworkers News". They got everyone focused on the petty union dues while Toyota had $39 billion in cash in the bank. "ihatebeets" and another person had cameras ready to film "the show" as they called it in "Autoworkers News".
MotherMuckraker 6 months ago
@MotherMuckraker if ihatebeets can get into the minds of others and cause such mayhem maybe she could send her psychic messages and convince you to break the cycle of cowardice and reveal your identity!
ihatebeets 6 months ago
The union had nothing to do with closing down NUMMI. Toyota ran a union busting operation to get rid of their only union plant so they could lower wages. "ihatebeets" was one of the ones who worked with the company to "bust the union". She should be ashamed of herself.
MotherMuckraker 6 months ago
@MotherMuckraker Oh please get over yourself. GM is the one who caused NUMMI to close by pulling out of the JV. Without Toyota paying for your severance, you would have gotten NOTHING. GM is the one you should all be channeling your anger on.
crackaddict444 5 months ago
This is obviously a weak union. Unions created the middle class.
Quit watching a video on Youtube and reacting. Be proactive, not reactive.
Educate yourselves.
Why do you think States are trying to eliminate Unions......
Because it stands in the way of their New World Order.
I don't agree with this guy......but, this is a horrible example of a Union.
dosemeter 6 months ago
dumb union people
nottinmatterz2day 8 months ago
what piece of crap.... UNIONS ARE ALL THE SAME.... lazy ass people that want the easy way out.
QbnVoiCe 8 months ago
Did anyone get a chance to beat this guy's ass??
portlanddem 10 months ago
union autoworkers are animals
737823 1 year ago
Wow, he was trying so hard to act civil and put on an act of caring.
Then the guy pushes his buttons.
Then his inner Hispanic thug roots appear and his ghetto slum speech appears.
"You betta shut the fuck up motha fucka"
PhillipMcLoins 1 year ago 3
Isn't multiculturalism wonderful?
alkoholika2010 1 year ago
F*** THE UAW!!!! Laziest pieces of crap EVER!!
wadzila 1 year ago 4
@wadzila they are responsible for 4800 hard working middle class folks losing thier jobs. I agree with you!
ihatebeets 1 year ago
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fenderstratguy 1 year ago
@PoliticalByline get the boss's dick out your mouth when you address me.
theirresistableE 1 year ago
So typical of Union tactics. My dad was a member of this union. I remember when he could no longer write them checks as a retiree, he asked me to do it for him. I told him that he should not be throwing good money after bad. He said, "Oh they've been so good to me." I told him, "No, they haven't been, they've just made you think that they have." Anyway, when Dad asked me to continue writing them checks, I did, & tossed them into the shredder, so that the Union could no longer profit from him.
jalopsityjoe 1 year ago 2
@jalopsityjoe Good thinking man. You have a good heart for those close to you.
EpiDemic117 1 year ago
if these people would actually take that kind of energy to work...USA would still be to #1 producer in the world right now. however, all these people want is less work and more pay...no wonder all of the manufacturing jobs has gone overseas where workers appreciate the job oppontunity instead of bitchin and not wanting to work...like most union workers (excluding Police, Fire and Teachers). This country can be #1 again if we get rid of unions!
SpeakingMyMind7 1 year ago
Typical whining union workers!
RGMerkel 1 year ago 2
time for healing now friends
Cognovit 1 year ago
time for healing now friends. the union have it's bad and good sides. we owe to thank them for the good things.
Cognovit 1 year ago
Hi brothers and sisters,I am a union member in Ohio.The same thing that happened to you is happening everywhere.We need to vote the freeloading leadership out of our union halls.They don't do anything for us,we have to start grassroots again.
samiam976 1 year ago
I grew up in Lowell MA, a union mill town. All up and down the Merrimac river there were hundreds of mills employing hundreds of thousands of workers that manufactured all the goods of our nation, they made the wealth of the nation
As the times changed, the unions didn't or wouldn't. Jobs left, people left, stores left. Every mill town became a ghost town, mills burnt (some insurance fraud to be sure) High tech (non-union) took up some slack, but not nearly enough
Soon the nation will follow
tutorturtle 1 year ago
@tutorturtle I grew in a totally union free state so most jobs are own by
huge businesses. Are unions good or bad?
12107170 1 year ago
That last comment was for jethrobiz1. Thank you.
satellite68 1 year ago
Vote Union MOTHER F*CKER!!!! hahahahaha.....
The days of the Union are gone all they want is your money!
muherd79 1 year ago 2
Lot of attacks on capitalism. The only reason anyone wants to install socialism here is because of all the wealth - built by capitalism. Okay so fine, lets remove capitalism and centralize the power across the whole world and then, where will you escape to? I'm still waiting to see where socialism is improving lives.
Time to "man up", take responsibility, and make things happen, rather than bitch about how the man has you down. That's what builds wealth, not by screaming like a 2yr old.
user9251 1 year ago
Obviously somebody misplaced their Roberts Rules of Order.
wonderfulhuman161 1 year ago
UAW is so corrupt it has now reached the point of open contempt for the workers.
Us workers must reject the UAW and all unions which support capitalism, create new unions and reach out to workers in other industries and countries.
The international working class is still and will always be the creator of all wealth.
reyter2007 1 year ago 7
The thugs prove violent revolution needed. Capitalist unions are another bunch of native chiefs for the pirates(capitalists)to pay off on Treasure Island. Until the natives kill the native chiefs, they will remain monkeys and the pirates will continue to make off with the island's gold, fruit, wood, and pussy. That's why it's a joke work for others. If you are not going to have balls enough for a socialist revolution be a capitalist or SHUT THE FUCK UP SLAVE-MONKEY
jethrobiz1 1 year ago 3
You and every other "socialist revolution" piece of shit need to move to one of the 3rd world countries that you so desire America to become. If you don't like it here go the fuck away. Take your criminal alien friends, "spread the wealth", "free" healthcare, and your boyfriend with you.
satellite68 1 year ago
Unions only look after number one - themselves - enriching themselves at the expense of the workers. The workers simply don't have the foresight to know that by negotiating for higher wages they are destroying their own jobs in the long run. Companies must be able to make a profit in order to keep operating. Now, sadly, the day of reckoning is here for NUMMI and jobs are being cut wholesale. They can blame the unions and the union bosses that became rich over the years at their expense.
lastory2006 1 year ago 2
Unions or union leaders, you see no difference? And implict in your statement is that workers with their 'lack of foresight' are not entitled to a decent standard of living. Thanks. You a banker?
1Mehring1 1 year ago
@1Mehring1 Who cares if he is. He makes more mnoey (hopefully) and is better educated then the unions folks down there in Michigan, California, Ohio, New Jersey, Peensylvania, Greece, Italy, Ireland, Portugal and Spain.
Which mind you are the most debt-ridden, unproductive and dumbest states I've seen.
SniperViper1000 1 year ago
@SniperViper1000 And your point is?
Strangely, these 'better educated' bankers who 'hopefully' earn more money than union members, thought that Ireland, the 'Celtic Tigre' was a shining example of monetarism. As for California, the most populous and productive state in the US, well if that's no good, not much future for a capitalist USA, no? I agree.
1Mehring1 1 year ago
@lastory2006 : The workers are the union! These workers are going through a tough time, along with their leaders. I don't know of any union leaders who are getting rich over the years; they worked in that plant, also.
It's a sad day when UAW workers resort to acting like Tea Party people at Town Hall Meetings.
solidarity4 1 year ago
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave..
and the unemployed.
TheEvilDetector 1 year ago
union greed
chena3 1 year ago
The problem is leadership. The IWW is the only real union this country has ever had, and it's dead. These union bosses are collaborators with the bourgeoisie. If these goddamn class traitors could realize the function of a union, they could figure out what to do. But they cannot, because they collaborate with the bosses they are supposed to be defending their workers against. Hang this traitor by his balls, proletarian! Then fire your boss and go right back into the factory!
commissarusa 1 year ago 2
unfortunate what these jew bankers have done the country
johnnyr55556 1 year ago
@johnnyr55556 A banker is a banker, does not matter if it's jew, indian, chinese, or any other ethnicity. Capitalists collaborate with other capitalists around worldwide to defend their class interests, using nationalism to poison and divide the proletariat. Workers of the WORLD MUST unite!
hotgunnerr 1 year ago 3
@hotgunnerr Workers of the world? That sounds like a Marxist statement
ACarterSr2004 1 year ago
Marx and Lenin saw the limits of trade unions in capitalism. Unions without a political goal of socialism deadend in "economism" or haggling over money(which the capitalists, who control the mint, can make worthless overnight). That is the biggest illusion of unions--that they will bring the workers security under capitalism; impossible! POWER MUST BE SEIZED!
jethrobiz1 1 year ago 5
@jethrobiz1 And the attempted seizure must be brutally put down.
J0hnGaltJr 1 year ago
@hotgunnerr No one wants Greece. The burdern of the EU, the debt hodler of the world, laziest of them all.
You... should rot in a hole along with all your other stupid fucking communist pals.
SniperViper1000 1 year ago
Why do I have a feeling that, given Toyota's current difficulties, on top of the union's idiocy, these folks will now get NO severance package?
csskalet 2 years ago
well those are shocking figures, but it's still the company attacking the workers while the union goes along with it...
and workers have to organise independently of the bureaucrats, and where plants are threatened with closure they should be occupied!
StevieRevbo 2 years ago
it's not the union screwing the workers it's the company - the union goes along with it!
this happens everywhere, the TU bureaucracies forming the main 'plank' of bourgeois rule outside of state forces...
Zedwoman a day ago has it right!
StevieRevbo 2 years ago
@StevieRevbo The UAW own 35% of GM and 55% of Chrysler. Chrysler is, right now, moving a parts plant in NY state to Mexico. While the union officials were in meetings, planning the move, they were also outside the building organizing a protest against Chrysler because of the planned move.
Get it?
petehuss 2 years ago 2
This "leader" showed his real self as a fake and a thug. He was also far behind the power curve. His only task should be to defend each and every job.
firetaker25 2 years ago
I love this. The rank and file know that the union is screwing them and making money by doing so. It gives me great joy to see the workers stand up for their rights and go after their supine, betraying "leaders". It's time for the workers to form their own independent committees and take over the factories!!
Zedwoman 2 years ago 3
The Unions have become obsolete. In the 1930's they are the guardian of workers rights against company abuses. Nowadays with laws and people being aware of their rights the unions have become a hindrance for progress. Companies with Unions can't be flexible to meet sudden changes in the business. CBA stipulations sometimes made companies pay workers even if there are no work to be done.
ambrosiobertodazo 2 years ago
does that fgo for your precious police unions as well house negro?
MaoistRebelNews 2 years ago
That's obviously not what happened in this picture. What does that have to do with a real thing like this? This is a picture of real workers trying to use their union for themselves -- to defend their jobs and benefits. What your seeing IS progress at it's grass roots.
firetaker25 2 years ago
@firetaker25 The reality here is that in times of economic hardship Toyota or any manufacturing companies don't want to be tied up with CBA stipulations in making maneuvers to adjust spending. Can't do that at NUMMI or any union plant since CBA has so many restrictions such as payment of wages even when there is no work order.
Toyota would rather go to a none UNION state were employees can waive right to unionize. California is a Union State and it's union busting to prevent unionization.
ambrosiobertodazo 2 years ago
"The reality here is...times of economic hardship..." You're right to start with that phrase. You might take note of the most direct cause of this economic crises, which was of course not the existence of unions, but the deregulation of banking. There have also been declining real wages for long before this crisis. Unemployment is historically high, auto sales are down for now and the foreseeable future.
firetaker25 2 years ago
There have been non-union states forever. Removing unions will not stop economic crises. In fact, that will probably exacerbate them. It would take us back to a system pre-1929, with no unemployment or social security benefits, etc. That might bring on a 1929-type crash, even far worse than the present one.
firetaker25 2 years ago
It's less CBA stipulations here, than concern over the profit rate, and the steep decline in auto sales due to the crisis. It won't help in the long run to pay the workers less, who buy the cars in the first place.
firetaker25 2 years ago
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Unions tend to attract the most shiftless losers in society. They talk about "fighting" for their jobs as if it's an entitlement. No one owes you anything, dopes. When I disliked my job I quit then started my own companies, instead of whining about how they should be loyal to me. That's the difference between a winner and a loser: winners take initiative and responsibility for their fate; losers complain things are changing and pray others will help them.
veryslyfox 2 years ago
WoW! What a generalization. Let's see, nurses have unions, police officers, teachers, firefighters....yeah, I guess you're right.........
joysgirl 2 years ago
veryslyfox, you didn't like your job, or was it the people you worked with didn't like you? If you were as well off as you proclaim, why are you here? Do I believe you are who you say you are, No, not a chance, Your post are angry and self promoting on a subject that has nothing to do with this here.
MsKris333 2 years ago
you quit and started your own "COMPANIES". Why Companies, why not company. What you suck so bad you had to fire your own self.
Cutting people lawns is no company. Collecting pallats is no company. Living off you parents is no company.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Hi Andy
nummidave 2 years ago
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The unions have no one to blame but themselves!! Perfect example at how the unions killed the USA.. The union leaders keep demanding and threating the businesses and before long, the businesses cant compete with the market and its easier to move production into "right to work' states or even into other countries.
Unions workers think thay have the business owners by the balls but dont realize that unions need businesses to survive, businesses dont need unions to survive! And that's the truth!
JM3isme 2 years ago
No, the truth is that without Unions you would get any of the benefits you have at companies now. Companies have no loyalty to workers and their years of service, they only care about the bottom line. You're a fool if you don't think that you can be replaced by someone who is willing to do it cheaper.
MsKris333 2 years ago 2
One thing Unions have yet to realize is that they can only keep demanding more and more until a company either goes out of business or they just move to a "right to work" state or into another country.. and if that happens then what happens to the Union and its workers!?!? THE UNION AND ITS WORKERS ARE OUT OF A JOB!!!!!!
JM3isme 2 years ago 2
That's why I say; Unions NEED Businesses to survive, Businesses DON"T need Unions to survive!! And they wonder why America has lost most of its manufacturing to other nations?? Its because the corrupt Unions keep demanding and demanding.. Until it is only in the companies best interest to look elswhere for cheaper labor. that is the beauty of a free trade market!! I'm right and your wrong, And That's The End Of The Story!!
JM3isme 2 years ago
@JM3isme : On the contrary, businesses need workers to survive. Where is your evidence to back up your claims that union workers are the cause of the decline of manufacturing? The majority of manufacturing jobs lost in our country were; and are non-union manufacturing jobs.
solidarity4 1 year ago
Unions made it difficult for management of manufacturing companies to make necessary adjustments during financial crisis.
Understandably a company will move out of a UNION state if it wants to stay competitive in the next decade of commercial uncertainty.
jitangoburka 1 year ago
Union workers support democtats through their union membership, democrats support free trade(NAFTA), free trade caused the decline of manufacturing. Simple
satellite68 1 year ago
You're thinking the exact way THEY want you to think. And like the above poster said, the unions don't have to "learn" anything! They are in the employ of the owners and the banks. they are NOT there for the worker. That's over--and has been for a few decades. Working people need to break away from the corrupt unions and the two parties and form a mass political party of their own and fight for a socialism! Read the WSWS every day.
Howler 1 year ago
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@Howler Are you serious??? Your stupidity amazes me. Oh, I just figured out how you are such a brainless piece of shit. You've been drinking dictator obama's cool-aid haven't you? If you so desire to be part of a shitty socialist third world country get the fuck out of my AMERICA.!!! Mass political party = dictatorship. I hope the sleeping giant that is the AMERICAN people wakes up soon and destroys you socialist pricks and your "revolution".
satellite68 1 year ago
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JM3isme 2 years ago
I'm gonna miss my friend Raider Andy from Chassis 2!
nummidave 2 years ago 3
I loooove my job and the union, they're the best!!!
nummidave 2 years ago
The State laws have enough protection for the workers and that is why the unions are nonproductive they have to protect people not qualified for manufacturing work to get the votes they need.
truthbetoldite 2 years ago
For MrBertramCooper. Either you are smoking crack or you are counting the "$50,000 to $60,000" settlement offer in Pesos.
jill413 2 years ago 4
UAW Thugs
I grew up in Windsor seeing the CAW
CanadaguyRudey 2 years ago
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While the plant, operated by both Toyota and GM, has offered a maximum of $50,000 to $60,000 (depending on the workers length of service), the union is seeking more.
MrBertramCooper 2 years ago
I don't know where you get your info, but you are so wrong, Toyota is offering $15,000. You only get more if you're at work from Aug. to April. If you're lucky you'll get $50,000. You might want to check your sources.
MsKris333 2 years ago
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Hehe, I love this video!! Thanks for the HD too!
csskalet 2 years ago
everyone knows Rob Toia is being used by them
truthbetoldite 2 years ago
Toyata sales down, thanks to boycott and recall. Now $165 million can't be funded since loan on future profit is jeopardized. Toyota losing prime status and no assets available for lien. Book of accounts not shown.
Result; Watch for the news Toyota will have to withdraw retention proposal or reduce it drastically. Since no contract is stipulated it can't be enforced in court. Only recourse is strike and protest.
In order to have a lien even in case of bankruptcy proposal must be accepted and
MinorCanon2 2 years ago 2
pure class. this is what you get when you adopt the collective...
wizard7700 2 years ago
All I can say is WOW!!!!!!! NO Way!!!!!! Time to make a stand now before you don't have any balls left!!!!
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DorjePawo 2 years ago
like I said , Toyota also has flaws, but that doesn't erase the fact they they do make quality cars, EITHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, FACT IS FACT. They have these problems now, but overall how many years have they made quality cars?? You're just looking at 2009. Look at the whole picture.
45Expo 2 years ago
Looks like emotions took complete control of this meeting. Those in it should be embarrassed, especially those in the audience.
Unions aren't the blame for a companys downfall, its management decisions, or lack thereof! The companies own the business, not the Unions! People only blame the Union (any union) out of ignorance! Yes Ignorance!
HDBigfoot 2 years ago
Um, actually the unions do own the business friend -- UAW has majority ownership of Chrysler and 15% of GM. So yes, in these cases blame the union.
jasondbaker 2 years ago
Just goes to show you what little to do know! The Unions do NOT own nor RUN. Yes they have an interest but 15% does NOT control the Business. As for Chrysler, they do not own the majority either!
HDBigfoot 2 years ago 4
@HDBigfoot
bullshit. 15% puts the investor on the BOD.
therealcaptobvious 1 year ago
not the audience, the leaders, they are the ones that are in charge, and should lead by example.
45Expo 2 years ago
Ignorance you say? That is what your post reads like. You must be a union member.
CAPTJACKAUBREY69 2 years ago
You don't have to be a Union member to understand what I am saying! Ignorance, yes ignorance.
HDBigfoot 2 years ago
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good to see Obamaites in action.
MrEthekyaa 2 years ago
I love how the (I assume) woman who is shooting this video starts yelling 'great leadership.' What a bunch of animals.. I would like to see any one of the mob members in this video to stand up there and deal with what that guys has to deal with. I wish I had never seen this.. makes me not want a Ford now.
DrewF82 2 years ago
f**king animals - all of them. What kind of civilized people act like this? Unions suck monkey balls and this video proves it.
bakedaddy747 2 years ago
Whatever, you must be a pussy who would never want to fight for your job. Has nothing to do with unions asshole. It has to do with feeding children, paying the mortgage, etc.... Sure these people are out of control, but given the circumstances, i dont blame them. Dick.
bipappag 2 years ago 4
@ frustratedworker2244
No hopefully he won't have a job with the international, not after this video. They would be crazy to continue with that type of leader. You need someone with good ethics, great communication skills, and educated, which he proved he has none of these.
45Expo 2 years ago 2
Either you like it or not, TOYOTA makes great cars, and GM doesn't, that's a known fact.They have their flaws, but they still make quality cars.
45Expo 2 years ago
If Toyota makes such great cars while all the recalls of their vehicles? They had the big recalls for all of '09.
MsKris333 2 years ago
Impeach Obama now. Do it for our children's future.
BuffaloButt 2 years ago
Unions -- killing American industry.
WeAreGeo 2 years ago 4
Sitting here and blaming a political party or a Union is allowing NUMMI/Toyota to think they are walking away with their hands clean from this blood bath. It saddens me to see that Corporations are able to desolate the blue collar work force and expect the very people who made them to scramble about for left over crumbs.
jill413 2 years ago 4
@jill413 Toyota will hire other people, that's not the issue. I had to move from MI because unions killed the state industry. They are run like an enforcement racket and absolutely stifle the flexibility and innovation American companies need to survive today. They demand higher and higher wages that eventually shuts the company down because we demand lower prices at the checkout counter.
Unions once served a good purpose but now anyone can move and get a better job if they're dissed at work.
fairtaxhtown 2 years ago
This is NOT a political debates folks. My personal feelings are that Corporations only care about THEIR CEO's Golden Parachutes and those for upper management. As for the workers who made them their profits... I guess Toyota/NUMMI felt that they were not getting enough return.
jill413 2 years ago 4
Obama's 'Hope & Change'. In reality it's 'no hope and a change for the worse' for these workers. Obama supports the union thugs, not the working man on the assembly line.
PaulRevere77381 2 years ago
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zyou8er 2 years ago
These clowns went to LA and told people not to buy Toyota, When Toyota is the one that Gave them 6 months notice, and the money theyre about to give us. They should have went told people, not to buy GM. Because GM is the one that pulled out of Nummi in 2 weeks notice.
zyou8er 2 years ago 2
Look at Sergioin Laughing, why is that??? Is it because he knows that all the BS is on Javis shoulders?? yep yep
zyou8er 2 years ago
What happened to " United we stand an Divided we fall"
zyou8er 2 years ago
I bet when our union went to San Diego and L.A. they probably spent an hour boycotting and getting signatures b4 they and their families hit up Disneyland and Sea World. It's funny when the company is doing good the union members jobs are cake but when the shit hits the fan pussies like Javier and Sergio crack under pressure. Grow some phukn nuts. By the way Javier Jr. I like the way you ran up to pops after he dropped a couple F-bombs and hold him back like he was gonna do something.Yeah right
fujiman1970 2 years ago 2
That speaker should get a job at SEIU.
blogegog 2 years ago 3
The American worker has my full respect. However, I have no respect for unions.
michaspi 2 years ago 8
No wonder union chumps can't build cars. They can't even run a meeting.
Malachor8091 2 years ago 2
The union officals need to stop giving their money to the Democrats and fight for workers jobs! We need a Workers Party!
redwallace 2 years ago 9
@redwallace Very true
zyou8er 2 years ago 2
Go ahead and bash Democrats... Like Bush and his Corporate-Minded VP did such a fine job preserving the financial integrity of this country.
jill413 2 years ago
@jill413 LOL and what is your Savier doing now to the financial integrity of US?? spend more money then any other president in his first year, yeayyy.
zyou8er 2 years ago
...And then they had a coffee break
Raughwe 2 years ago
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That's Obama's collectivism for all of your retarded liberals to see.
drfreeman007 2 years ago
Union thugs at their best! Nice!
NightWolve1975 2 years ago 3
LOL union shitheads fighting each other
soon to be unemployed. suck it.
dmancornell 2 years ago
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AmberFrederickson 2 years ago
you should care what the media says, videos says a thousand words, and it showed what a bunch of scumbags work at nummi, not everyone, because there's always a few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of the workers.
45Expo 2 years ago
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The responses to my comments prove once again that union autoworkers are uncivilized and uneducated thugs. On equal ground with caged monkeys
veryslyfox 2 years ago
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jill413 2 years ago
@veryslyfox @veryslyfox Go ahead and throw them stones. I'll be willing to bet that you spend a small fortune on Glass Cleaner for your house. Perhaps you would care to look into a mirror when you make inflammatory statement. Being a elitist does not make you intelligent.
jill413 2 years ago 4
Foxes are low sneaking bottom feeders that are to cowardly to rise to the level of the people they attack. They are scavengers .
irh982 2 years ago
Props to MsKris333. You go ahead and testify the truth. I am a DEMOCRAT. And I can see the 'Corporate Sharks' for who and what they are. The Corporations of this world ARE destroying the very fabric of our existence. Our livelihoods, our families, our financial security is being raped by them, with nary a thought or concern for all the years of service we have given or the profitability to their Corporations.
jill413 2 years ago
Man, the Company(Toyota) must be just laughing their asses off behind your back. They lied to, they are playing you like a violin. You took your eye off the prize and are now fighting amongst yourselves. Meanwhile, management and Toyota go on, not losing any sleep over your blood, sweat and broken bodies.
MsKris333 2 years ago 3
Frustratedworker2244: you sound like your suckin up for a job. Hope you get sent to Texas, that way TOYOTA will can your dumb ass within a few weeks like evryone else that has been sent there. You're the reason YOUR union is floundering. Where were you on the picket line? You are suppose to fight WITH your union, not against them.
jill413 2 years ago
You know when you lose your job and you start stealing office supplies... Can you steal a car?
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
I would love to buy a stolen car off of you.
ScientologyStoners 2 years ago
The union leaders are doing the bidding of the UAW international. Toyota is not the problem, GM is. and now the UAW international owns 18% of the NEW GM, they are not going after them, they are going after their former partner, demonizing them, at our expeince. They are supposed to be our elected representitives, but they have sold out to the International. We are just pawns on the table to be used as they please.
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago 2
Boy are you soooo wrong, Toyota is the problem, and obviously so are you.
MsKris333 2 years ago
when Javier stated they he and all the others would be " out of a job" that is a lie. The union leaders will be switching over to the international, continuing to work. It is we the rank and file that will be " out of work". NUMMI ( TOYOTA) is still employeeing us, providing pay and benifits, and they are harassing the company for pure politics at our expence. The offer from the company is very generous, particularly concidering that they can give us nothing.
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago 6
They have been doing trips for friends and family like that for years on our union dues. We are losing our jobs in 2 months, and while they complain that the company is being cheat with there offer. The union is not offering us any thing. Where is our money, spent on free vacations for Family and friends over the years. The union is full of family and friends in appionted positions. It is more a private club than any kind of representitve organization
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago 4
These union leaders are shrewd, they know how to control the meeting, and how to lock out all voices of opposition. Unfortunitlay the only way to be heard is to yell out. these guys stole our election last year. they do as they please. They do not ask us what we want. It is truely a dictatorship with Javier as the dictator. A few weeks ago they with a group of friends (about 100 ) all went down to Palm Springs for about 4-5 nights, on us, our money.
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago 2
I do take some fault, It was terrible. I was not expecting to happen, what had. I nwas suddenly right in the center of a out of control situation, a bit of a shocking experience. I'm still in a bit of shock from it. people could have been hurt. It is for that reason that i will not be attending any future meetings, for my health and the well being of the rest of the membership.
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago
especially after his comment,
"I can serve another kind of meat to your mother other than my d**k"
More and more this video, as well as the responses by some of you Nummi workers is starting to show some of your true colors. If you are going to call out one person for their "profane" comments then you need to call out everyone that does it just like this video you posted calling out your union lead for cussing at one of your fellow workers.
dagv84 2 years ago
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@ihatebeets I undertand not caring for youlosetoday80's comments, but you stated
"I'm letting you know right now...post one more profane comment and guess who gonna be the loser today"
Yet you ignore irh982's comment, which I'll censor since he didn't:,
"Maybe you should look up the definition of a run on sentence before you start to question anyone else's intelligence you f***ing dumb a**.""
Pass without warning. I understand he is a fellow employee, but why the double standard
dagv84 2 years ago 2
The media doesn't look at this and say what a horrible Union lead, they as well as the public who have seen this video look in disgust at all of you. Whether or not you guys get a fair shake is unknown, but with continued outbursts from both sides don't expect to gain much. The image of Nummi and all its workers from this video is bad do to the actions shown.
dagv84 2 years ago
dagv84- Anyone paying attention to what is going on doesn't give a flip what the 'media' says. I am part of the public and I don't look on anyone other than the union so called leaders with disgust. These people whom you are lecturing have been paying for a service with every hour that they work. Just wondering who you work for?
baccck 2 years ago 2
@frustratedworker2244: I understand your frustration with the situation as I'm sure it is tough knowing everything is at risk. I don't condone what the union lead did as his emotions should be in check do to his position even if he wants to go off on someone. You need to shoulder the blame as well though. Expecting to get your point across by screaming at someone is classes and in a proper union meeting you would have been kicked out. Your emotions need to be in check as well.
dagv84 2 years ago
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@ frustratedworker 2244
You have every right to be heard, there are ways to talk to workers and have them listen and be heard. Javier needs to either go back to school and learn communication skills or learn to work hard and not just shuffle paperwork.
45Expo 2 years ago 2
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@ihatebeets, can't take the heat on this blog,, you're not too bright, because if you were, this blogger (youlosetoday80) shouldn't bother you, What should bother you is the way Javier disrespected you and all those people.Didn't you say (" when you start disrespecting people then you get my attention."). I don't think it did, because if you work at nummi you got disrespected in the worst way, and not by anyone giving their opinion, on this blog.
45Expo 2 years ago
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45Expo 2 years ago
Stop, with the ignorance, now you're blaming the President. This was in the works way before he came into office. Watch some news, read up on current events, before making any statements. Toyota is doing what everyone is and should be doing ( SAVING MONEY), unless you could spend foolishly.
45Expo 2 years ago
I'm the guy that Javier swore at, The grey haired guy wearing the red coat. I want to apologize to everyone in attendence that day. It has been a very difficult time for all of us at Nummi these last couple of years. It is hard dealing with all the rumors, and the lack of facts. Our Union has sold out to the International. They no longer represent us. Javier thinks he is a dictator, He doesn't ask, He tells us. He needs to step down. They are supposed to be elected representives. God bless all
frustratedworker2244 2 years ago 5
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45Expo 2 years ago
The rank and file should be proud of what they did at that meeting. The union has indeed sold out the workers and the workers must fight back by creating their own, independent workers committee and taking over the factory. Javier displayed his contempt for the rank and file by swearing at you. He and the other fat cats have to go!
Zedwoman 2 years ago 3
It's sad that things have come to this.I remember a time when I was proud to work for NUMMI and have a great union.I don't blame the union or the company,we are all victims of the economy taking a huge downturn.G.M. had to sell its assets and Toyota can't maintain by themselves in this expensive ass state.The frustration of the workers is understandable and the union is doing what they can with little or no leverage to work with.We should be happy to get what we can and enjoy our remaining time
pipas98 2 years ago
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The International Union has seen this, FYI !!!!! It's on the TV news, radio, and Javier Contreras is named very clearly. Now who is the loser, not even allied waste will want him.
45Expo 2 years ago
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45Expo 2 years ago
@ihatebeets I appreciate the complement. Being sarcastic is fun, but you have to also complement irh982. He provided the things I needed to respond back. I couldn't just ignore it when I knew I had some good responses for him. Again like I said this was fun, but I'm off. Good luck on the fight. Hopefully something good happens so you guys get paid out decently or I am pretty sure a massive fire will erupt at Nummi on April 1st from all you guys for being burned by the severance packages.
youlosetoday80 2 years ago
irh982: it's not that they don't know, its that people don't care. It's a sad truth, but an honest one. Anyway, I'm done with this. It was fun at first, but I'm bored and have things to do. Maybe someone else will come on here and argue with you. If you want to prove your point the whole cash register thing doesn't work. It's a guaranteed fail for you. Come on you got a degree you should know that. Don't be like that guy yelling like a nut before he got cussed out. He didn't accomplish anything.
youlosetoday80 2 years ago
If its only worth $15 bucks an hour then why is it other Toyota plants only make 5 dollars an hour less then we do? And other Toyota plants are non union. Once again you demonstrate that people who don't know what they are talking about should shut up. California has a significantly higher cost of living than other states in which Toyota has plants. So of course the wage is bound to be a little bit higher. For the record, Toyota was willing to stay, they just didn't want to run Nummi alone.
irh982 2 years ago
The problem is the union with these uneducated guys running it, maybe you should have got rid of these guys, and put someone with a bit of intelligence.
45Expo 2 years ago 5
But from a corporate standpoint, why would you continue to run an operation that didn't make a profit in 25 years, save for one, once the primary purpose - joint relationship with GM - had vanished?
NUMMI workers felt entitled to their jobs, and none would believe that Toyota would shut down the plant if GM left. Could concessions have been made by the union to bring the costs down and competitive to those in the midwest? sure!
fabadabean 2 years ago 2
Hmmm a room of monkey see monkey do workers realizing that the scam they ran for years finally is coming to an end. What's funny is how these uneducated people are mad at an uneducated union president for cussing at them. Just realize what people probably said you'd amount to in high school is coming true, nothing and that's if half of you finished high school. Thumbs up to Toyota and GM for doing the right thing.
youlosetoday80 2 years ago
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youlosetoday80 --- "Just realize what people probably said you'd amount to in high school is coming true, nothing and that's if half of you finished high school."
Maybe you should look up the definition of a run on sentence before you start to question anyone else's intelligence you fucking dumb ass.
irh982 2 years ago
I'm the dumbass yet you're one of the scammers losing their job. Yep you win, especially come April 1st.
youlosetoday80 2 years ago
I have a degree, and another job lined up in May, so I'm not sweating anything. However, not everyone is so fortunate. I find it interesting that you relish the fact that so many people are going to be hurting because of this unfortunate event. We have families and children that depend on us. What kind of sadistic ass hole are you to laugh at other people's misfortune? I might be one of the "scammers" loosing my job, but I would never wish such evil on anyone. You have no class.
irh982 2 years ago
i'm just reading your convo between "youlose" and you actually have no room to call him a "dumbass" and point out run on sentences...you can't even fucking spell correctly. You want start being petty, be my guest.
And it's not that he's being mean, he's just being honest. Truth hurts sometimes.=)
pinkpusha57 2 years ago
I was not being petty, he was. Yes, I overlooked a typo, call me a moron. As far as the truth hurting, if you do not work at Nummi then you do not have a clue what it is like there, or what has been going on. His comments have consistently been petty and mean spirited to people who will struggle to feed their children after Nummi closes. So, if he wants to sink to that level, them I can join him.
irh982 2 years ago
@irh982 You say I have a run on sentence yet you can't even spell "LOSING" right. Receiving a degree from clown college doesn't mean you have achieved anything except learning how to drive a buggie with 10 people in it.
"You have no class"
You obviously aren't paying attention. The way everyone in the video was acting, it's apparent you don't know what class is. Good luck in May at McDonald's. All that monkey see monkey do work you did at Nummi will help when flipping hamburgers.
youlosetoday80 2 years ago 2