Of all the political statement videos, this ranks close to the bottom. It took 1:37 of babbling to get to the meat of the message and for those who don't know what H.R. 397 is, well, don't waste your time watching this to find out. Showing the ease of making a call was good but the viewer has to wait until the end to see it.
all my life i have read , studied the bible, i never found in it anything to do with people who choose not to beleive , you choose not to beleive don;t shove your ideas on us that do it is a free world if majoirty wants it in the house so be it , exactly what is your video trying to acomplish, ,have you ever tried jesus christ , most people cannot commit to hard to live a christian life easier to live in sin
@katcarving 1) if you don't love and accept Jesus, forever doomed are you to hellfire.
2) Keeping your beliefs off of US, ensures that your also keeping your beliefs off of OTHERS.
3) It's incredibly easy to be a christian, since Christianity has the world's easiest cop out for sin. Mumble to yourself int he form of prayer, and your forgiven. Atheism is much harder, you actually have to work for forgiveness.
nobody has declared you can't practice what ever religion you choose, but the truth is the thruth. We are a people of a christian/judeo religious country. That's what our laws USED to be set against and should be...the 10 commandments are NOT a bad way to live and prosper and ARE worthy of writing our laws. If you can tell me 1 commandment that shouldn't be law...I am listening.
@RabidApe LOL wow you really think that only 3 of the 10 should be laws? really? then way is it that 80 some odd percent of our laws are built on Biblical Teaching. You right Ape. we should throw all things God out of our law books cause school shootings are really cool going along with rape and everything else. Read the stats before and after the taking of pray out of school man. get real God is the only thing that can save this Nation. If you disagree, oh well. I am going to be praying for you
@jeffsstress We are not a a judeo/christian nation. We are an amalgam of different cultures, nationalities, religions and non-religious practices.
Many of the founding fathers were secular and truly believed in the rights of individuals to freely practice their beliefs without fear of persecution by any other individual or group, so long as their beliefs did not infringe upon the rights of others.
Judeo-Christian values perhaps...but also freedom of religion...which includes many others...does not exclude or set Christian values over and above other beliefs...Walk the Walk...forget the talk.
The Supreme Court has already stated that this is a "Christian Nation" as has every president before Obama. So when did this change? It has not! If you really based your religion on Origin of the Species then you must accept that killing/murder is encouraged. Hitler thought so to achieve the Obermenschen which is supposedly evolutions goal. So lets nuke China or India since they are ahead of us .....
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
That's the start of Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. This was ratified by Congress and signed by President John Adams in 1799. Since John Adams agreed with this statement, how can your claim that "every president before Obama" has stated that the US is a Christian nation be true?
I'd also like to see a citation on your claim about the Supreme Court, as I think it unlikely.
There's a difference between being founded "on the Christian religion" (which it isn't) and being founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Christianity is not our state religion; we allow everyone to believe as they wish. However, Judeo-Christianity has always been recognized as our foundation, to which we should be true if we are to follow the basic ideals of those who founded and grew this (once)wonderful nation that is now slipping away from its greatness.
HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. U.S.,143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226, February 29, 1892, This is a Christian Nation!!!! and others. Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!! (I lived in Germany ten years and they said so.) There is no right or wrong if there is no God, there is just the majorities opinion (subject to change). Are you encapable of seeing the conclusions of your faith?
@tcrow50 "Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!!" So much wrong in this. First half:
*Evolution rejects eugenics.
*It rejects racism.
*It is more of a fact than Gravity.
*It is ACCEPTED AND PROVEN such by theists, atheists, and Kent Hovind.
"they said so." And Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that girl. And even if Hitler was an atheist, those who carried out his plans WEREN'T!
"There is no right or wrong if there is no God" *facepalm* Confucius.
""Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!!
Once again, you lie. Hitler stated quite clearly in Mein Kampf he considered himself a Catholic doing God's will. I really don't know where you get this crap, but it is crap. If you think lying for Jesus is OK, you're wrong and we will continue to call you on your bull.
@LoopQuantumGravity1 "Once again, you lie" No offense, but don't you see the quotations around what you claim to have quoted from me? Or that I claim 'So much wrong' in the claim? Or that I had under the claim refutations to the argument? Or that the exact quote, with no quotations or comments invalidating it around it, appear directly in the person whom I originally replied to and of whom you replied to as well?
"The Supreme Court has already stated that this is a "Christian Nation"
Prove it - show me the court case - show me the particular ruling. The truth is, you can't because the Supreme Court has NEVER made such as ruling. You probably got this nonsense from the felon Kent Hovind.
Sorry, but the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment disproves your assertion.
I checked the court case myself since I don't trust you. Justice Brewer noted," But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.'.
"Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."
Sorry, you lose - you don't know the ruling, nor the intent of the Constitution.
Christian rights have not been messed with, go to church. Stop trying to shove Jesus up everybody's butts. Jesus said give unto god things that are gods give to Caesar things that are Caesars. Stop force feeding Christ up our nations rectum. Christ wanted us to believe his teachings not a state run doctrine. Founding fathers had it right keep God out of the state. When God becomes state sponsored the nation becomes a fascist state. Stop trying to use christ to erect your flaccid sex organs.
Thanks for your post. I was wondering what the resolution # was. I just spoke to Congressman Forbes's office and HR397 is in committee. I will be calling my congressman as you suggested. But I'll be asking that he SUPPORT HR397!
Shame on you! My ancestors came to America for Religious freedom. It was not an easy decision to leave their homeland and families behind. Shame on you!
"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government. Far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
James Madison (1751-1836) Fourth President of the United States.
I've done my homework. The first time the term 'separation of church and state' appeared in the judicial arena was in 1947 with Everson v Board of Education (330 USC 1, 18) and McCollum v Board of Education (333 USC 203) in 1948.
The constitution forbids the Establishment of any official state religion. Quite clear on this. And any effort to establish christianity as the state religion is breaking this. Everson v the Board of Education, is only a clarification of this, which is the purpose of having a supreme court.
The Founding Fathers did not want an official state religion as England had with the Anglican church. They did not want the government to tell you the when, wheres and hows to attend religious services. However, they did not intend for all religious expression to be removed from public and private areas.
They would have been very much against an official state religion, that much is true, but mere public (and government) religious expression does not constitute an establishment of religion.
"It is the duty of all nations as well as of men to own their dependence on the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose god is the Lord."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) Sixteenth President of the United States.
"[Religion] is more needed in democratic republics than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie be not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submission to the Divinity?"
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) Democracy in America (1835)
"The Americans, combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other."
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) Democracy in America (1835)
History speaks for itself....stop and think...look back over the years.....when did things start going bad ?????????when they started messing with our christian rights, children no longer praying in school, Jesus name not allowed in public places/spaces ....we have been a nation of plenty, God has so blessed us how can we even think of the separation of "church and state" one can't thrive without the other.....give me a break....think, man, think ....
When did things start going bad? Hmmm Kids are still praying in schools,they take time before classes and do it.And jesus's name is allowed in public places. Where are you getting that from? You know when the real scientific progress started? In the 1860s when Origin of the Species showed us all that we did not need any deity to progress human existance.
"Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the greatness and the genius of America . . . America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) French political thinker, author and historian
"Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be trusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any government secure which is not supported by moral habits.... Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens."
Daniel Webster (1782-1852), US Senator
Source: Plymouth, Massachusetts, in 1820, commemorating the arrival of the Pilgrims 200 years prior
Tell that to the Iranians. Or those who suffered under Torquemada. Or those who suffered under Cromwell. Where you get theocracy, you get those who will use the holy book to get their own ways. Of course, did you realise under Leviticus you can't even wear blended fabrics, but hey you get to make up for it by being able to duck across the border and kidnap as many foreign born people as slaves that you want. Good luck with your skygod. Keep it away from me.
"What ever disunites man from God, also disunites man from man."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Anglo-Irish statesman, author, orator, political theorist, and philosopher who served for many years in the British House of Commons as a member of the Whig party.
"The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
"The only foundation for... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
Dr. Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) signed the Declaration of Independence 1798
Source: The Selected Writings of Benjamin Rush. Edited by Dagobert D. Runes. New York: Philosophical Library, 1947.
"The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."
John Jay (1745-1829) First Supreme Court Chief Justice
"Providence has given to us the choice of our rulers, and it is the duty as well as the interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
John Jay (1745-1829) First Supreme Court Chief Justice
"[T]he lawdictated by God himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this."
"The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."
Patrick Henry (1736-1799) American Orator and Statesman
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Patrick Henry (1736-1799) American Orator and Statesman
"Doctor, I wish you to observe how real and beneficial the religion of Christ is to a man about to die. This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which can make them rich indeed."
"Why is it next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day, the Fourth Of July? It is because the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission on earth and laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity."
John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) From a speech on July 4th 1837.
"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district, all studied and appreciated as they merit, are the principle support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) US Founding Father in a letter dated March 1778 to the Ministry of France
"The chief Thing that is aimed at in this College is to teach and engage the Children to know God in Jesus Christ, and to love and serve Him, in all Sobriety, Godliness, and Righteousness of Life, with a perfect Heart, and a willing Mind."
"Let every student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternally life."
"Our task and our duty must be to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our God, for we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill and the eyes of all are upon us."
John Winthrop (1588-1649) Puritan and Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1649
You're pretty smart RabidApe, but I want to know why you really care so much and dedicated an entire video of nearly 3 mins to not supporting something that you deem inconsequential in the first place. Seems like a random thing to do on a calendar like yours. Curious.
Just so you know, The seperation of Church and state was not put in to keep church out of government but Franklin put it in so the Government couldn't interfer with how YOU chose to worship.
Hate to say it buddy, but HR 397 sounds good to me. The United States is a country that was founded on the belief that we can prosper only through the grace of God.
You have the right to believe what you want to believe and vote how you want to vote, that is what the Bill Of Rights grants you. Howver, this does NOT change the basic foundation upon which this country was built.
By the way, capitalism is not the strife for fast cars, or trophy wives, it is the base of companies private or corprate to profit in a free market. The media tells you that you need fast cars and hot woman. Your brainwashed by your TV.
lol... why is it that fags always try to discredit christianity??... i mean i ain't a fag like this guy in the vid or a christian either but its always the homos on some dramatic rant.. haha silly faggots leave the christians alone and maybe they will leave you pillow biters alone too!!?? idk tho..
As the attitudes of ppl on earth escalates for a planet without God, it will soon be given to them. And there will be a time of tribulation like no other.
lol, I am of course referring to this "tribulation" nonsense.
I look forward to a future where a belief in Yahweh or Allah is held in the same regard as belief that Elvis is living on a desert island with Princess Diana. I can only hope.
ok you got it 20 bucks says that we will see Jesus in the clouds calling up his believers between now and the next 3 1/2yrs.....watch the events unfold in the world especially the Feast of Tabernacle in Israel in Sept, the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Israel.
I predict that the YouTube account "PassingThru2Day" will be closed when I come to collect on June 20th, 2013. I'm putting this on my Google calendar!
(I should place some bets with some 2012 wackos while I'm at it...)
Please don't start saying when the Lord will return. Scripture says no one but God knows the time. Cause you will loose your 20 bucks and make us Christians look bad.
you are a disgrace! What do you mean the legislation is probably unconstitutional!! If so, then it is unconstitutional for you to support having prayer taken out of school! Article one of the first amendment says that I have the right to speech something that you are enjoying when you spew your hateful and deceptive words across the internet!
Would you show me in the constitution where the words separation of Church and State actually exists. See the funny thing about those words is they don't exist in the constitution or anywhere in the amendments. see the idea comes from a paper that Thomas Jefferson wrote. There is no law of Separation of Church and State. So the premise of unconstitutional is wrong. What the Constitution says is that a Church cannot rule the government or vice versa
The language in the first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof".
See also the "Lemon Test" established by the Supreme Court. According to it, a law must serve a secular purpose, must NOT have the primary effect of enhancing or inhibiting religion, and must not promote "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
The act does not establish a religion or force someone to practice any one religion...thus not against the first amendment.
The act recognizes our religious heritage. It is not a law establishing or enhancing a religion. So the Lemon law does not apply. Why is it when athiest and homosexuals want some recognition for their beliefs no one complains but when someone wants to recognized God everyone complains.
Most of the building in washington DC have BIBLE verses on them...That is why he says Judeo Christian Values.
Morality has to be based on something or everyone can determine in themselves what is moral. The Judeo Christian Values he speaks of represent the Morality Compass that this nation was founded on. Morallity can be secular or religious.
Your idea that the first amendment goes against Biblical commandments 1-4. I am not sure what you mean by that. As I read it gives me the right to Choose to follow the Ten Commandments.
The governement is not choosing whether I follow the ten commandments or not. That is left up to me.
Enjoyed your somewhat witty comment about Kosher. If you read Genesis Murder, theft and lying were wrong in God's eyes before Mt. Sinai.
No matter what "you" believe the fact is this Country was founded on Judeo-Christian Values. This is why our building have bible verses on them. It is the reason In God we trust is on our money, it is even in our founding documents. Not Atheism. That is why we have freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion.
It's not "everybody" complaining... just a small number of complainers doing a whole lot of complaining...
It's the way of special interest groups and their paid lobbyists. As they don't represent a majority, the only alternative is for them to complain a lot and generally be a thorn in the side of the rest of us.
To be specific, this country has an overwhelming majority of believers in God, and of those most are Christian.
It is baffling to me why so few try so hard to convince the majority to see and do what the minority sees fit. Let us be! We let you do your thing, even if we don't agree. Be happy with it.
EXACTLY. Don't you think our Congress has more important things on their hands than crafting this resolution?
"We let you do your thing, even if we don't agree."
Are you referring to "minorities"? Ever heard of Proposition 8? Also, there are fundamentalist Christians in MY state who are trying to get THEIR RELIGION taught in PUBLIC science classes.
"Be happy with it."
No. I am exercising my free speech rights. You don't have to agree, but you can't shut me up, either.
I believe you to be an excellent example of the liberal, history changing and omitting, school system that has been shoved down the throats of the people of many regions of this nation, for the past 30 years.
Christian men, guided by their knowledge of, and faith in, the God you seem to deny made it possible for you to lead your campaign against him. I pray that God covers you in his grace as he has our Nation since its inception; actually, I think since its conception.
If you have to ask you would not understand the answer but if you are just leading into making a case for the existence of conservative atheists, I concede your point.
As a conservative athiest, I couldn't care less about this bill. There is no denying that this great country was built on Christian values and that doesn't bother me one bit. My entire family is catholic, but I decided it wasn't for me. Thats the beauty of being in a free country. I can believe whatever I want.
As a conservative pastor I don't think it is necessary to look historically at documents and say whether or not we are a Christian nation. As a pastor I don't see Christian or even godly values in our society. So whether or not we have on paper that our nation was built on Christian values it sure isn't reflected in life.
Also, we as Americans love democracy, I do. America was not meant to be a theocracy. When we take steps in that direction we become a Church State but whose "church" is it?
I think that their are valid points on both ends of the arguments.
Rabid Ape- He is using his freedom of speech and he can argue for or against anything this country believes in. He does not have to believe something simply because the "fore-fathers" did. People portray them as almost godlike. Since when do they make the decisions about this country? after all we are a democracy.
The Angry YT Flamers- They disagree with what you have to say, but. it is a free country. Learn to deal with it.
Hey, I'm a constituent too, and I don't think we can all agree. You should attempt to put your atheism aside and view these documents with an impartial mind. You cannot deny the references to God in every document integral to the foundation of our country and every ceremony of the government today. Whether or not you agree with what is written is not the question. To pretend that the references don't exist negates any of your persuasiveness and undermines your credibility.
It is just amazing to me how many people such as "Rabid Ape" consider themselves experts on the Constitution and the history of this country, yet don't know the first thing about either! To all of you Atheists; if you choose to follow a path of scientific blindness, that's fine with me. But stick to science, because when it came to you attending class in American History, you obviously were AWOL! (Or didn't you bother to LISTEN to who and what Congressman Forbes QUOTED in his speech?)
Now, if only you understood that the constitution does not provide for seperation of church and state...
lol
It's a neverending soap to see people who, because they are ignorant of one thing (which has been explained to them 50 times, the very definition of DENSE) turn around and do something ignorant based upon that irgnorance.
Thats what I say. You are becoming more and more of a rambler, but I guess that's why you call yourself a rabid ape. Come back to God. There is still time.
The purpose of my comment was to get your attention, not to make a decision for you.
As time goes on, your'e losing ground on your original YT purpose which was to exemplify your "de-conversion" from Christianity (according to your statements in earlier videos). Now it appears that you are locked into what I have labled as YouTube addiction. You are drifting further from God my friend. Was there ever was a "true" de-conversion in your life? I don't see it. No matter what you say.
"your'e losing ground on your original YT purpose which was to exemplify your "de-conversion" from Christianity (according to your statements in earlier videos)"
Citations, please. I don't think I ever said that. I was never a Christian.
"You are drifting further from God"
Which one?
"Was there ever was a "true" de-conversion in your life?"
I do not have any citations because after carefully reviewing your replies I now see that I must have mistaken you for another YouTuber. Now I am faced with the challenge of finding out who I was thinking of! LOL
But my concern of YT addiction for you is still intact because I see how easy it is to spend hours and hours on this thing!
Yes you need to do your homework stupid. you have all your facts wrong. Probably is against the constitution ?? No it is not stupid. What should be against the constitution is to let you left wing nut, nazi promoting jihad book burnning A** holes to be out in public.
You can look at the establishment clause from two angles. First you could say, it protects the government from relgion, but I think it was originally penned to protect religions from the government... Considering the way this country was initially formed and the men who signed the document, that would seem to be the logical decision? Or am I misunderstanding something?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means it shall not establish a religion. Don't forget the second part, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
While we are at revising our history to remove religion all together, can we take out that nasty chapter of slavery? And also the Trail of Tears. Then we can end affirmative action and free casino land!!
What a boob. Dude, stop showing your ignorance. Find the "separation of church and state", in the constitution... AINT THERE! And my isn't our gov't doing a really great job of sending us into RUIN. I currently do NOT have a president, the guy that got elected BOWED before another leader, the leader of the free world DOES NO SUCH THING!
I completely AGREE with REP. RANDY FORBES who is trying to keep the historical record as FACT, and stop the US history revisionist movement, aided by our President and his remarks. To pass a bill confirming our spiritual heritage affirms what is true, and does not promote religion thus does not cross the line between church and state.
I happen to agree with this bill. There is no "wall of seperation between search and state" in the constitution of the United States. There is a proabition to the establishment of a national church. This seperation of church and state was taken from later writings of one of the founding fathers, I cannot recall who at the moment. As stated in this resolution, this country was founded on Christian values, it can be found throughout our history in the Constitution and elsewhere.
The nation was founded by men who were mostly DEISTS. Take a look at the Declaration for example "We hold these truths to be self-evident" What is that now? Self-evident=a postulate (a mathmatical term for something that is common sense and requires no proof, not very religious now is it?)
Thomas Jefferson-"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."
Uhhh, guess again. While the specific religion of every signer of the DoC isn't precisely known, FORTY of the signers were likely adherents of Christian Denominations.
And? You act as if because they wanted people to be free to choose religion or no religion that they also presupposed that all politicians would "check" their religion at the door to the legislature. Fact is that NOTHING could be farther from the truth and that politicians have the right AND obligation to use whatever makes up their moral compass (choose whatever you wish to call it) when making decisions. Go figure...
LOL! Great response. You must be the head of the remedial debate team. What kinda perks you get with that, get to ride in the front of the short bus, huh?
What, you whining again? Once again, this is a NON-BINDING resolution authored by a pandering Representative. It's ENTIRELY constitutional just like the national day of prayer...
All you rational thinkings need to f**king chill...
Well I disagree. When I went through public school it seems to me like the two biggest things they tried to instill in me is unquestioning obedience towards authority and working long hours.
An example is, when you learn a concept in school, you do not move on to the next concept as you would if education was their primary goal, instead you dwell on that concept for many days doing work and drills on it.
To me that feels like training to be a working drone, not educating.
Who really cares of you agree? Fact is that MUCH of teach in schools is repetition. IF you happen to one of those few 'geniuses' who can grasp a concept at first blush, it's no surprise you'd get bored, but that's an exception. As far as authority is concerned, who should have it? The kids? Yeah, I can just see how well that would affect test scores. Let the inmates run the institution.
You're off Nothing is mandatory. It calls for studying making service mandatory. Forced conscription is clearly involuntary servitude. The language of HR 1388 was changed and the objectionable aspects were not the House or Senate versions. Secular public service is an admirable goal for all of America. Its easy to argue that a lack of it on the part of the citizenry is one of the reasons why America has lost its foothold on the world stage.
Thanks for the non sequitur, but this vid has nothing to do with the idea of public service. or the lazy aholes who can be bothered to do anything but talk about how much they love their fellow man until it comes time for the rubber to hit the road, then they're mysteriously absent...
i just called, hmmm... i feel political
hrudy91 1 year ago
Of all the political statement videos, this ranks close to the bottom. It took 1:37 of babbling to get to the meat of the message and for those who don't know what H.R. 397 is, well, don't waste your time watching this to find out. Showing the ease of making a call was good but the viewer has to wait until the end to see it.
healingstone 2 years ago
all my life i have read , studied the bible, i never found in it anything to do with people who choose not to beleive , you choose not to beleive don;t shove your ideas on us that do it is a free world if majoirty wants it in the house so be it , exactly what is your video trying to acomplish, ,have you ever tried jesus christ , most people cannot commit to hard to live a christian life easier to live in sin
katcarving 2 years ago
@katcarving 1) if you don't love and accept Jesus, forever doomed are you to hellfire.
2) Keeping your beliefs off of US, ensures that your also keeping your beliefs off of OTHERS.
3) It's incredibly easy to be a christian, since Christianity has the world's easiest cop out for sin. Mumble to yourself int he form of prayer, and your forgiven. Atheism is much harder, you actually have to work for forgiveness.
EziekielNightwind 1 year ago
nobody has declared you can't practice what ever religion you choose, but the truth is the thruth. We are a people of a christian/judeo religious country. That's what our laws USED to be set against and should be...the 10 commandments are NOT a bad way to live and prosper and ARE worthy of writing our laws. If you can tell me 1 commandment that shouldn't be law...I am listening.
jeffsstress 2 years ago
"tell me 1 commandment that shouldn't be law"
Going by the "orthodox" list on the Wiki page for "Ten Commandments":
1 through 4 shouldn't be law. Remember the first amendment?
Number 5 shouldn't be, depending on your interpretation (ie if Tim McVeigh was my dad).
Ditto for number 7.
Number 10 doesn't seem conducive to capitalism, but I'm against the idea of "thoughtcrime" in general.
Number 6, 8,and 9 should be law. But I think people understood that BEFORE Moses/Sinai/etc.
3/10 = FAIL
RabidApe 2 years ago
@RabidApe LOL wow you really think that only 3 of the 10 should be laws? really? then way is it that 80 some odd percent of our laws are built on Biblical Teaching. You right Ape. we should throw all things God out of our law books cause school shootings are really cool going along with rape and everything else. Read the stats before and after the taking of pray out of school man. get real God is the only thing that can save this Nation. If you disagree, oh well. I am going to be praying for you
theghost201000 1 year ago
@jeffsstress I am not a Christian/Jew and yet I am an American. Get your god out of my country.
needparalegal 1 year ago
@jeffsstress We are not a a judeo/christian nation. We are an amalgam of different cultures, nationalities, religions and non-religious practices.
Many of the founding fathers were secular and truly believed in the rights of individuals to freely practice their beliefs without fear of persecution by any other individual or group, so long as their beliefs did not infringe upon the rights of others.
corthew 1 year ago
i am pleased with hr397 i will vote
1943wayne 2 years ago
You are a jerk and a fool
1943wayne 2 years ago
Judeo-Christian values perhaps...but also freedom of religion...which includes many others...does not exclude or set Christian values over and above other beliefs...Walk the Walk...forget the talk.
geezaville 2 years ago
The Supreme Court has already stated that this is a "Christian Nation" as has every president before Obama. So when did this change? It has not! If you really based your religion on Origin of the Species then you must accept that killing/murder is encouraged. Hitler thought so to achieve the Obermenschen which is supposedly evolutions goal. So lets nuke China or India since they are ahead of us .....
tcrow50 2 years ago
"The Supreme Court has already stated that this is a "Christian Nation" "
Citation, please.
"If you really based your religion on Origin of the Species then you must accept that killing/murder is encouraged."
What does that have to do with this video? Have you even read the book?
RabidApe 2 years ago
@RabidApe THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. U.S.
143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226
February 29, 1892
tcrow50 1 year ago
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..."
That's the start of Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. This was ratified by Congress and signed by President John Adams in 1799. Since John Adams agreed with this statement, how can your claim that "every president before Obama" has stated that the US is a Christian nation be true?
I'd also like to see a citation on your claim about the Supreme Court, as I think it unlikely.
fedos 2 years ago
There's a difference between being founded "on the Christian religion" (which it isn't) and being founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Christianity is not our state religion; we allow everyone to believe as they wish. However, Judeo-Christianity has always been recognized as our foundation, to which we should be true if we are to follow the basic ideals of those who founded and grew this (once)wonderful nation that is now slipping away from its greatness.
scragsma 2 years ago
@tcrow50 Dude, honestly? Check your sources before posting this crap.
corthew 1 year ago
@corthew THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. U.S.,143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226, February 29, 1892, This is a Christian Nation!!!! and others. Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!! (I lived in Germany ten years and they said so.) There is no right or wrong if there is no God, there is just the majorities opinion (subject to change). Are you encapable of seeing the conclusions of your faith?
tcrow50 1 year ago
@tcrow50 You are aware, I trust, that the catholic church as well as many christian denominations support the theory of evolution.
It is only a small fringe group of christians, mainly evangelicals and fundamentalists, who don't know what's going on in the real world.
corthew 1 year ago
@tcrow50 "Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!!" So much wrong in this. First half:
*Evolution rejects eugenics.
*It rejects racism.
*It is more of a fact than Gravity.
*It is ACCEPTED AND PROVEN such by theists, atheists, and Kent Hovind.
"they said so." And Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that girl. And even if Hitler was an atheist, those who carried out his plans WEREN'T!
"There is no right or wrong if there is no God" *facepalm* Confucius.
onijester56 8 months ago
@onijester56
""Hitler was an evolutionist and accordingly an atheist!!!
Once again, you lie. Hitler stated quite clearly in Mein Kampf he considered himself a Catholic doing God's will. I really don't know where you get this crap, but it is crap. If you think lying for Jesus is OK, you're wrong and we will continue to call you on your bull.
LoopQuantumGravity1 7 months ago
@LoopQuantumGravity1 "Once again, you lie" No offense, but don't you see the quotations around what you claim to have quoted from me? Or that I claim 'So much wrong' in the claim? Or that I had under the claim refutations to the argument? Or that the exact quote, with no quotations or comments invalidating it around it, appear directly in the person whom I originally replied to and of whom you replied to as well?
onijester56 7 months ago
@tcrow50
"The Supreme Court has already stated that this is a "Christian Nation"
Prove it - show me the court case - show me the particular ruling. The truth is, you can't because the Supreme Court has NEVER made such as ruling. You probably got this nonsense from the felon Kent Hovind.
Sorry, but the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment disproves your assertion.
LoopQuantumGravity1 7 months ago
I checked the court case myself since I don't trust you. Justice Brewer noted," But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.'.
LoopQuantumGravity1 7 months ago
"Nor is it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service, or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact, the government as a legal organization is independent of all religions."
Sorry, you lose - you don't know the ruling, nor the intent of the Constitution.
LoopQuantumGravity1 7 months ago
Christian rights have not been messed with, go to church. Stop trying to shove Jesus up everybody's butts. Jesus said give unto god things that are gods give to Caesar things that are Caesars. Stop force feeding Christ up our nations rectum. Christ wanted us to believe his teachings not a state run doctrine. Founding fathers had it right keep God out of the state. When God becomes state sponsored the nation becomes a fascist state. Stop trying to use christ to erect your flaccid sex organs.
jobedied 2 years ago
Also, keep the state from trying to tell us what religion we can practice.
HunterXray 2 years ago
Thanks for your post. I was wondering what the resolution # was. I just spoke to Congressman Forbes's office and HR397 is in committee. I will be calling my congressman as you suggested. But I'll be asking that he SUPPORT HR397!
IFixTeeth 2 years ago
Shame on you! My ancestors came to America for Religious freedom. It was not an easy decision to leave their homeland and families behind. Shame on you!
viviantracy 2 years ago
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"We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government. Far from it. We have staked the future of all our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
James Madison (1751-1836) Fourth President of the United States.
savetheguns 2 years ago
Have a Godly day!
savetheguns 2 years ago
I've done my homework. The first time the term 'separation of church and state' appeared in the judicial arena was in 1947 with Everson v Board of Education (330 USC 1, 18) and McCollum v Board of Education (333 USC 203) in 1948.
savetheguns 2 years ago
The constitution forbids the Establishment of any official state religion. Quite clear on this. And any effort to establish christianity as the state religion is breaking this. Everson v the Board of Education, is only a clarification of this, which is the purpose of having a supreme court.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
The Founding Fathers did not want an official state religion as England had with the Anglican church. They did not want the government to tell you the when, wheres and hows to attend religious services. However, they did not intend for all religious expression to be removed from public and private areas.
They would have been very much against an official state religion, that much is true, but mere public (and government) religious expression does not constitute an establishment of religion.
savetheguns 2 years ago
That's not what the courts say.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
"It is the duty of all nations as well as of men to own their dependence on the overruling power of God and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose god is the Lord."
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) Sixteenth President of the United States.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"[Religion] is more needed in democratic republics than in any others. How is it possible that society should escape destruction if the moral tie be not strengthened in proportion as the political tie is relaxed? And what can be done with a people which is its own master, if it be not submission to the Divinity?"
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) Democracy in America (1835)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The Americans, combine the notions of Christianity and of liberty so intimately in their minds, that it is impossible to make them conceive the one without the other."
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) Democracy in America (1835)
savetheguns 2 years ago
History speaks for itself....stop and think...look back over the years.....when did things start going bad ?????????when they started messing with our christian rights, children no longer praying in school, Jesus name not allowed in public places/spaces ....we have been a nation of plenty, God has so blessed us how can we even think of the separation of "church and state" one can't thrive without the other.....give me a break....think, man, think ....
RhondaCalhoun 2 years ago
When did things start going bad? Hmmm Kids are still praying in schools,they take time before classes and do it.And jesus's name is allowed in public places. Where are you getting that from? You know when the real scientific progress started? In the 1860s when Origin of the Species showed us all that we did not need any deity to progress human existance.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
"Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the greatness and the genius of America . . . America is good. And if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great."
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) French political thinker, author and historian
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Our ancestors established their system of government on morality and religious sentiment. Moral habits, they believed, cannot safely be trusted on any other foundation than religious principle, not any government secure which is not supported by moral habits.... Whatever makes men good Christians, makes them good citizens."
Daniel Webster (1782-1852), US Senator
Source: Plymouth, Massachusetts, in 1820, commemorating the arrival of the Pilgrims 200 years prior
savetheguns 2 years ago
"If we will not be governed by God, we must be governed by tyrants."
William Penn (1644-1718) A champion of democracy and religious freedom
savetheguns 2 years ago
Tell that to the Iranians. Or those who suffered under Torquemada. Or those who suffered under Cromwell. Where you get theocracy, you get those who will use the holy book to get their own ways. Of course, did you realise under Leviticus you can't even wear blended fabrics, but hey you get to make up for it by being able to duck across the border and kidnap as many foreign born people as slaves that you want. Good luck with your skygod. Keep it away from me.
dangerouslytalented 2 years ago
"What ever disunites man from God, also disunites man from man."
Edmund Burke (1729-1797) Anglo-Irish statesman, author, orator, political theorist, and philosopher who served for many years in the British House of Commons as a member of the Whig party.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The Bible is the book upon which this Republic rests."
Andrew Jackson, Seventh President of the United States
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."
Noah Webster (1758-1843)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The only foundation for... a republic is to be laid in Religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
Dr. Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) signed the Declaration of Independence 1798
Source: The Selected Writings of Benjamin Rush. Edited by Dagobert D. Runes. New York: Philosophical Library, 1947.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The Bible is the best of all books, for it is the word of God and teaches us the way to be happy in this world and in the next. Continue therefore to read it and to regulate your life by its precepts."
John Jay (1745-1829) First Supreme Court Chief Justice
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Providence has given to us the choice of our rulers, and it is the duty as well as the interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."
John Jay (1745-1829) First Supreme Court Chief Justice
savetheguns 2 years ago
"[T]he lawdictated by God himself is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times. No human laws are of any validity if contrary to this."
Alexander Hamilton (1757-1804)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The great pillars of all government and of social life [are] virtue, morality, and religion. This is the armor, my friend, and this alone, that renders us invincible."
Patrick Henry (1736-1799) American Orator and Statesman
savetheguns 2 years ago
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religion but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
Patrick Henry (1736-1799) American Orator and Statesman
savetheguns 2 years ago
"There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us."
Patrick Henry (1736-1799) American Orator and Statesman in a 1787 speech
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Doctor, I wish you to observe how real and beneficial the religion of Christ is to a man about to die. This is all the inheritance I can give to my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which can make them rich indeed."
Patrick Henry (1799, on his death bed)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Why is it next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day, the Fourth Of July? It is because the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission on earth and laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity."
John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) From a speech on July 4th 1837.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code ... laws essential to the existence of men in society."
John Quincy Adams (1767-1848) Sixth President of the United States.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God and nature."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) American printer, author, philosopher, diplomat and scientist.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of Christianity, will change the face of the world."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) American printer, author, philosopher, diplomat and scientist.
savetheguns 2 years ago
"A Bible and a newspaper in every house, a good school in every district, all studied and appreciated as they merit, are the principle support of virtue, morality, and civil liberty."
Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790) US Founding Father in a letter dated March 1778 to the Ministry of France
savetheguns 2 years ago
"The chief Thing that is aimed at in this College is to teach and engage the Children to know God in Jesus Christ, and to love and serve Him, in all Sobriety, Godliness, and Righteousness of Life, with a perfect Heart, and a willing Mind."
Columbia University publication (1754)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Christ is the only, the true, the living way of access to God."
Timothy Dwight, Yale University President (1795-1817)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Let every student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternally life."
Harvard University (Pamphlet published in 1643)
savetheguns 2 years ago
"Our task and our duty must be to do justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our God, for we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill and the eyes of all are upon us."
John Winthrop (1588-1649) Puritan and Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony from 1630 to 1649
savetheguns 2 years ago
You're pretty smart RabidApe, but I want to know why you really care so much and dedicated an entire video of nearly 3 mins to not supporting something that you deem inconsequential in the first place. Seems like a random thing to do on a calendar like yours. Curious.
singr7 2 years ago
To make my(our) voice heard, and remind our lawmakers that religious pandering doesn't "work" on all of us.
RabidApe 2 years ago
@RabidApe And God bless you for doing so!
Bluefairy513 1 year ago
Fortunately you live in a land where you are allowed to air your beliefs...
Statistics reveal you to be in the minority, perhaps you could qualify for Government aid!
Personally I believe that Liberals in control symbolize the end of what has been a great nation; you included.
TBunetta 2 years ago
wtf does "liberal" mean?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Just so you know, The seperation of Church and state was not put in to keep church out of government but Franklin put it in so the Government couldn't interfer with how YOU chose to worship.
bigorancho 2 years ago
Hate to say it buddy, but HR 397 sounds good to me. The United States is a country that was founded on the belief that we can prosper only through the grace of God.
You have the right to believe what you want to believe and vote how you want to vote, that is what the Bill Of Rights grants you. Howver, this does NOT change the basic foundation upon which this country was built.
United States Of America - In God We Trust...
ashesguitarist 2 years ago
By the way, capitalism is not the strife for fast cars, or trophy wives, it is the base of companies private or corprate to profit in a free market. The media tells you that you need fast cars and hot woman. Your brainwashed by your TV.
tru3c0wb0y 2 years ago
lol... why is it that fags always try to discredit christianity??... i mean i ain't a fag like this guy in the vid or a christian either but its always the homos on some dramatic rant.. haha silly faggots leave the christians alone and maybe they will leave you pillow biters alone too!!?? idk tho..
247badass 2 years ago
I smell a self-loathing closet-case...
RabidApe 2 years ago
As the attitudes of ppl on earth escalates for a planet without God, it will soon be given to them. And there will be a time of tribulation like no other.
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
Says you.
I got 20 bucks that says we'll die before it happens. (because it WON'T HAPPEN)
RabidApe 2 years ago
lol, I am of course referring to this "tribulation" nonsense.
I look forward to a future where a belief in Yahweh or Allah is held in the same regard as belief that Elvis is living on a desert island with Princess Diana. I can only hope.
RabidApe 2 years ago
ok you got it 20 bucks says that we will see Jesus in the clouds calling up his believers between now and the next 3 1/2yrs.....watch the events unfold in the world especially the Feast of Tabernacle in Israel in Sept, the rebuilding of the Holy Temple in Israel.
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
OK!
This YouTube account will still be here (unless I get suspended).
Do you have a PayPal account?
I'll give you 48 months, just to be generous.
Deal?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Deal !...only problem.... when it happens you can keep the $20 I won't need it where I'm going :-)
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
I predict that the YouTube account "PassingThru2Day" will be closed when I come to collect on June 20th, 2013. I'm putting this on my Google calendar!
(I should place some bets with some 2012 wackos while I'm at it...)
RabidApe 2 years ago
Please don't start saying when the Lord will return. Scripture says no one but God knows the time. Cause you will loose your 20 bucks and make us Christians look bad.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
you are a disgrace! What do you mean the legislation is probably unconstitutional!! If so, then it is unconstitutional for you to support having prayer taken out of school! Article one of the first amendment says that I have the right to speech something that you are enjoying when you spew your hateful and deceptive words across the internet!
AFGrannie 2 years ago
Prayer has NOT been "taken out of school".
You are free to think, believe, and practice what you wish in the privacy of your home and mind and on your own time.
If a student wants to pray before an exam, nobody is going to stop them.
example: I participated in Bible study in my high school cafeteria - BEFORE CLASS STARTED.
"Hateful"?
RabidApe 2 years ago
RabidApe,
just asked me, what does liberal mean? If you have to ask, you are too far gone to understand the answer.
beowulf39565 2 years ago
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PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
Would you show me in the constitution where the words separation of Church and State actually exists. See the funny thing about those words is they don't exist in the constitution or anywhere in the amendments. see the idea comes from a paper that Thomas Jefferson wrote. There is no law of Separation of Church and State. So the premise of unconstitutional is wrong. What the Constitution says is that a Church cannot rule the government or vice versa
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
DITTO GLEASONM
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
The language in the first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or the free exercise thereof".
See also the "Lemon Test" established by the Supreme Court. According to it, a law must serve a secular purpose, must NOT have the primary effect of enhancing or inhibiting religion, and must not promote "excessive government entanglement" with religion.
RabidApe 2 years ago
The act does not establish a religion or force someone to practice any one religion...thus not against the first amendment.
The act recognizes our religious heritage. It is not a law establishing or enhancing a religion. So the Lemon law does not apply. Why is it when athiest and homosexuals want some recognition for their beliefs no one complains but when someone wants to recognized God everyone complains.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
Why does this resolution make references to Christianity and Christianity alone? What secular purpose does that serve?
What are the "beliefs" of homosexuals that "no one complains" about? Have you ever heard of Proposition 8?
And why are you conflating homosexuals and atheists?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Most of the building in washington DC have BIBLE verses on them...That is why he says Judeo Christian Values.
Morality has to be based on something or everyone can determine in themselves what is moral. The Judeo Christian Values he speaks of represent the Morality Compass that this nation was founded on. Morallity can be secular or religious.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
"Judeo-Christian values"
That's really funny, because it seems like the First Amendment DIRECTLY opposes commandments 1-4.
And do you really mean to suggest that people thought murder, theft, and lying were 'kosher' before the Jews go to Mt. Sinai?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Your idea that the first amendment goes against Biblical commandments 1-4. I am not sure what you mean by that. As I read it gives me the right to Choose to follow the Ten Commandments.
The governement is not choosing whether I follow the ten commandments or not. That is left up to me.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
Indeed. Let me clarify:
"You shall have no other gods before me"
I can.
"You shall not make for yourself an idol"
I can.
"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God"
I can.
"Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy"
I don't have to.
RabidApe 2 years ago
"Honor your father and mother"
I don't need Santa Claus fantasies or threats of hell to do that.
"You shall not murder"
Ditto.
"You shall not commit adultery"
Depending on your definition of "adultery", this isn't necessarily "bad".
"You shall not steal"
Do you think people hadn't figured this out before Moses?
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Ditto.
RabidApe 2 years ago
"You shall not covet your neighbor's wife"
"You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor"
That's ANTI-capitalism! Lust for fast cars and trophy wives helps the economy go'round. ( I don't think that's necessarily "good")
I know you didn't ask about all 10 commandments here, but I was just having fun.
RabidApe 2 years ago
I am glad you have the right to believe what you want no matter how wrong you.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
And that's all I mean when I say that "the first amendment goes against the first 4 commandments".
If the 10 commandments WERE the "law of the land", I wouldn't have that choice.
RabidApe 2 years ago
Enjoyed your somewhat witty comment about Kosher. If you read Genesis Murder, theft and lying were wrong in God's eyes before Mt. Sinai.
No matter what "you" believe the fact is this Country was founded on Judeo-Christian Values. This is why our building have bible verses on them. It is the reason In God we trust is on our money, it is even in our founding documents. Not Atheism. That is why we have freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion.
Gleasonmagia 2 years ago
Freedom of religion is also freedom FROM religion. You can't have one without the other.
If you disagree, I will just arbitrarily define "my religion" as nonsensical and irrelevant doctrine(s) X, Y, and Z.
If you're willing to stretch a word to the point where it can mean ANYTHING, then you are communicating "NOTHING" when you use it.
RabidApe 2 years ago
That is an oxymoron, just like you. Of and From are NOT the same, duh.
LuN0O8 2 years ago
Crass literalism ftw!
Post with your real account if you've got any balls, sock.
RabidApe 2 years ago
(and I stole the kosher comment from Christopher Hitchens)
;P
RabidApe 2 years ago
It's not "everybody" complaining... just a small number of complainers doing a whole lot of complaining...
It's the way of special interest groups and their paid lobbyists. As they don't represent a majority, the only alternative is for them to complain a lot and generally be a thorn in the side of the rest of us.
garwoodv6 2 years ago
NO U
;P
RabidApe 2 years ago
To be specific, this country has an overwhelming majority of believers in God, and of those most are Christian.
It is baffling to me why so few try so hard to convince the majority to see and do what the minority sees fit. Let us be! We let you do your thing, even if we don't agree. Be happy with it.
garwoodv6 2 years ago
"Let us be! "
EXACTLY. Don't you think our Congress has more important things on their hands than crafting this resolution?
"We let you do your thing, even if we don't agree."
Are you referring to "minorities"? Ever heard of Proposition 8? Also, there are fundamentalist Christians in MY state who are trying to get THEIR RELIGION taught in PUBLIC science classes.
"Be happy with it."
No. I am exercising my free speech rights. You don't have to agree, but you can't shut me up, either.
RabidApe 2 years ago
"Probably not Constitutional"? It is EXACTLY the Constitution that gives us this right!
bigdogchrisl 2 years ago
DITTO BIGDOGCHRISL
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
Rabid Ape
I believe you to be an excellent example of the liberal, history changing and omitting, school system that has been shoved down the throats of the people of many regions of this nation, for the past 30 years.
Christian men, guided by their knowledge of, and faith in, the God you seem to deny made it possible for you to lead your campaign against him. I pray that God covers you in his grace as he has our Nation since its inception; actually, I think since its conception.
jj
beowulf39565 2 years ago
wtf does "liberal" mean?
RabidApe 2 years ago
If you have to ask you would not understand the answer but if you are just leading into making a case for the existence of conservative atheists, I concede your point.
beowulf39565 2 years ago
dITTO BEOWULF
PassingThru2Day 2 years ago
It will get worse before it gets any better I am afraid.
beowulf39565 2 years ago
As a conservative athiest, I couldn't care less about this bill. There is no denying that this great country was built on Christian values and that doesn't bother me one bit. My entire family is catholic, but I decided it wasn't for me. Thats the beauty of being in a free country. I can believe whatever I want.
P.S. Whats an idoit?
angelaellalucy 2 years ago
As a conservative pastor I don't think it is necessary to look historically at documents and say whether or not we are a Christian nation. As a pastor I don't see Christian or even godly values in our society. So whether or not we have on paper that our nation was built on Christian values it sure isn't reflected in life.
Also, we as Americans love democracy, I do. America was not meant to be a theocracy. When we take steps in that direction we become a Church State but whose "church" is it?
PreachaRuckus 2 years ago
You sound like an idoit
cooldog60 2 years ago
what's that?
RabidApe 2 years ago
Exactly like an idoit!!!!
djd7554 2 years ago
I think that their are valid points on both ends of the arguments.
Rabid Ape- He is using his freedom of speech and he can argue for or against anything this country believes in. He does not have to believe something simply because the "fore-fathers" did. People portray them as almost godlike. Since when do they make the decisions about this country? after all we are a democracy.
The Angry YT Flamers- They disagree with what you have to say, but. it is a free country. Learn to deal with it.
TIisKing 2 years ago
Hey, I'm a constituent too, and I don't think we can all agree. You should attempt to put your atheism aside and view these documents with an impartial mind. You cannot deny the references to God in every document integral to the foundation of our country and every ceremony of the government today. Whether or not you agree with what is written is not the question. To pretend that the references don't exist negates any of your persuasiveness and undermines your credibility.
rochellebrock 2 years ago
read the first amendment and get back to me
RabidApe 2 years ago
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sheldonfrei 2 years ago
It is just amazing to me how many people such as "Rabid Ape" consider themselves experts on the Constitution and the history of this country, yet don't know the first thing about either! To all of you Atheists; if you choose to follow a path of scientific blindness, that's fine with me. But stick to science, because when it came to you attending class in American History, you obviously were AWOL! (Or didn't you bother to LISTEN to who and what Congressman Forbes QUOTED in his speech?)
specialone8 2 years ago
Now, if only you understood that the constitution does not provide for seperation of church and state...
lol
It's a neverending soap to see people who, because they are ignorant of one thing (which has been explained to them 50 times, the very definition of DENSE) turn around and do something ignorant based upon that irgnorance.
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NephilimFree 2 years ago
WAT
Thats what I say. You are becoming more and more of a rambler, but I guess that's why you call yourself a rabid ape. Come back to God. There is still time.
pbar1000 2 years ago
WAT
RabidApe 2 years ago
Look....
The purpose of my comment was to get your attention, not to make a decision for you.
As time goes on, your'e losing ground on your original YT purpose which was to exemplify your "de-conversion" from Christianity (according to your statements in earlier videos). Now it appears that you are locked into what I have labled as YouTube addiction. You are drifting further from God my friend. Was there ever was a "true" de-conversion in your life? I don't see it. No matter what you say.
pbar1000 2 years ago
"your'e losing ground on your original YT purpose which was to exemplify your "de-conversion" from Christianity (according to your statements in earlier videos)"
Citations, please. I don't think I ever said that. I was never a Christian.
"You are drifting further from God"
Which one?
"Was there ever was a "true" de-conversion in your life?"
Deconverted from what?
RabidApe 2 years ago
RabidApe,
I do not have any citations because after carefully reviewing your replies I now see that I must have mistaken you for another YouTuber. Now I am faced with the challenge of finding out who I was thinking of! LOL
But my concern of YT addiction for you is still intact because I see how easy it is to spend hours and hours on this thing!
Peace to you...
pbar1000 2 years ago
Yes you need to do your homework stupid. you have all your facts wrong. Probably is against the constitution ?? No it is not stupid. What should be against the constitution is to let you left wing nut, nazi promoting jihad book burnning A** holes to be out in public.
administrator88061 2 years ago
WAT
RabidApe 2 years ago
You're an idiot!
srking76 2 years ago
You can look at the establishment clause from two angles. First you could say, it protects the government from relgion, but I think it was originally penned to protect religions from the government... Considering the way this country was initially formed and the men who signed the document, that would seem to be the logical decision? Or am I misunderstanding something?
whoanonstop 2 years ago
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means it shall not establish a religion. Don't forget the second part, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".
ruthelator 2 years ago
"Don't forget the second part, "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". "
Of course not. I don't think anything in this video or any of my others implicitly or explicitly suggests such a thing.
RabidApe 2 years ago
While we are at revising our history to remove religion all together, can we take out that nasty chapter of slavery? And also the Trail of Tears. Then we can end affirmative action and free casino land!!
Dolph1778 2 years ago
"revising our history to remove religion all together"
I'm sorry, I'm afraid I don't follow. Details, please.
RabidApe 2 years ago
RabidApe - Get your shots and please go back to the trees where you belong.
redbluffpump 2 years ago
The whole idea of "separation of church and state" was originally intended SOLELY to keep government OUT OF the church's business!
deb531 2 years ago
What a boob. Dude, stop showing your ignorance. Find the "separation of church and state", in the constitution... AINT THERE! And my isn't our gov't doing a really great job of sending us into RUIN. I currently do NOT have a president, the guy that got elected BOWED before another leader, the leader of the free world DOES NO SUCH THING!
Successfullosity 2 years ago
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."
SergeantGrumbles 2 years ago
you're quite conviced you are right? .... unfortunatly, i have no FAITH in you.
notNEWW 2 years ago
I completely AGREE with REP. RANDY FORBES who is trying to keep the historical record as FACT, and stop the US history revisionist movement, aided by our President and his remarks. To pass a bill confirming our spiritual heritage affirms what is true, and does not promote religion thus does not cross the line between church and state.
carolzupkas 2 years ago
Excellent! comment!
notNEWW 2 years ago
Why is a download for this video being sold for a dollar? Am I breaking the law if I just use a screencap program?
Skillbus 2 years ago
"Why is a download for this video being sold for a dollar?"
Because it can. Another perk of being a Partner.
"Am I breaking the law if I just use a screencap program? "
Not at all. Note the license!
RabidApe 2 years ago
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azaz129 2 years ago
I happen to agree with this bill. There is no "wall of seperation between search and state" in the constitution of the United States. There is a proabition to the establishment of a national church. This seperation of church and state was taken from later writings of one of the founding fathers, I cannot recall who at the moment. As stated in this resolution, this country was founded on Christian values, it can be found throughout our history in the Constitution and elsewhere.
musiman28 2 years ago
The nation was founded by men who were mostly DEISTS. Take a look at the Declaration for example "We hold these truths to be self-evident" What is that now? Self-evident=a postulate (a mathmatical term for something that is common sense and requires no proof, not very religious now is it?)
Thomas Jefferson-"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."
azaz129 2 years ago
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azaz129 2 years ago
Uhhh, guess again. While the specific religion of every signer of the DoC isn't precisely known, FORTY of the signers were likely adherents of Christian Denominations.
broadjumper1 2 years ago
Yet they signed up to a secular constitution. Go figure.
artyfarty2 2 years ago
And? You act as if because they wanted people to be free to choose religion or no religion that they also presupposed that all politicians would "check" their religion at the door to the legislature. Fact is that NOTHING could be farther from the truth and that politicians have the right AND obligation to use whatever makes up their moral compass (choose whatever you wish to call it) when making decisions. Go figure...
broadjumper1 2 years ago
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artyfarty2 2 years ago
Of course, Christians are sooo accepting of secular ideas. LOL
artyfarty2 2 years ago
"Of course, Christians are sooo accepting of secular ideas. LOL"
Kettle, this is the Pot...YOU'RE BLACK...
Don't talk to me about acceptance when the lot of you "free-thinkers" start tossing your pithy comments the moment some even mentions God...
broadjumper1 2 years ago
"Don't talk to me about acceptance when the lot of you "free-thinkers" start tossing your pithy comments the moment some even mentions God..."
Toddle off and chew some tobacca now ya hear! You're a little out of your depth intellectually.
artyfarty2 2 years ago
LOL! Great response. You must be the head of the remedial debate team. What kinda perks you get with that, get to ride in the front of the short bus, huh?
broadjumper1 2 years ago
"There is no "wall of seperation between search and state"
Well the really ought to be, to prevent the US from descending into a cess pool of religious stupidity.
artyfarty2 2 years ago
We're already well on our way.
hobokombat 2 years ago
What, you whining again? Once again, this is a NON-BINDING resolution authored by a pandering Representative. It's ENTIRELY constitutional just like the national day of prayer...
All you rational thinkings need to f**king chill...
saturnwhinefilms 2 years ago
HR875 and HR1388 are also looming overhead.
AnduinX 2 years ago
what about them...?
RabidApe 2 years ago
I'm just spreading awareness to other corrupt HR bills.
HR875 in particular, would make it illegal for you to sell a tomato from your home grown garden to your neighbor.
HR1388 expands government yet again, taking your taxpayer money and giving it to those who do 'government service'.
But the real threat of HR1388 is mandatory service, even if it is only mandatory for students at the beginning.
AnduinX 2 years ago
HR1388 sound like great idea. Get these dams lazy kids off their skateboards and doing something constructive.
saturnwhinefilms 2 years ago
Well I disagree. When I went through public school it seems to me like the two biggest things they tried to instill in me is unquestioning obedience towards authority and working long hours.
An example is, when you learn a concept in school, you do not move on to the next concept as you would if education was their primary goal, instead you dwell on that concept for many days doing work and drills on it.
To me that feels like training to be a working drone, not educating.
AnduinX 2 years ago
Who really cares of you agree? Fact is that MUCH of teach in schools is repetition. IF you happen to one of those few 'geniuses' who can grasp a concept at first blush, it's no surprise you'd get bored, but that's an exception. As far as authority is concerned, who should have it? The kids? Yeah, I can just see how well that would affect test scores. Let the inmates run the institution.
saturnwhinefilms 2 years ago
Obedience needs no explanation, that can be found everywhere in public school.
HR1388 is just another way the government trains and teaches people to bend over for them when asked.
The government has no right to force students to work (this applies to adults in college as well). That is nothing short of slavery.
AnduinX 2 years ago
You're off Nothing is mandatory. It calls for studying making service mandatory. Forced conscription is clearly involuntary servitude. The language of HR 1388 was changed and the objectionable aspects were not the House or Senate versions. Secular public service is an admirable goal for all of America. Its easy to argue that a lack of it on the part of the citizenry is one of the reasons why America has lost its foothold on the world stage.
TRY factcheck(.)org for an unbiased review.
saturnwhinefilms 2 years ago
"...is one of the reasons why America has lost its foothold on the world stage"
The US has lost its foot hold because it is awash with idiots like this:
watch?v=7DJYZVMpLSg
artyfarty2 2 years ago
Thanks for the non sequitur, but this vid has nothing to do with the idea of public service. or the lazy aholes who can be bothered to do anything but talk about how much they love their fellow man until it comes time for the rubber to hit the road, then they're mysteriously absent...
broadjumper1 2 years ago