"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders." /1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
The scant 7 Scriptural citations referring to gay sex are NOT condemnations of homosexuals by God as 'intrinsically evil'. They are condemnations of male prostitutes & concubines - and using other ppl as sex toys! Not sex acts of themselves, which are of NO specific religious context!
If Jesus is God, then He wrote the Commandments, which say NOTHING about gays! Nor did He say one word about them in His teachings.....case closed!
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 If you had any cognitive function, you would know that the word 'gay' is easier to type, uses fewer characters, & is an acceptable term.
Perhaps you should focus on the TRUTH which was stated in the above comment.
@19lfm12 Already with the insult's did I insut you
I know quite a few homosexual's and to call them gay is about as far from the truth as you can get.when the word Gay is used in it's true sense.I for one don't find it acceptable it's fucked up a truly beautiful English word, and what TRUTH are you referring too.
"you would know that the word 'gay' is easier to type"
So is OMO,which reflect's your true nature does it not ? or better still I am a homosexual,
What is it going to take to prove that the catholic church is bullshit. You can not get much lower than a pedophile. Hay catholic,s still think there is a god . You should think again.
There is no question that pedophilia is a horrible thing. But how important it is to look at the whole picture. Twenty years ago many bishops had pedophile priests go for counseling. The therapists said they were cured and the bishops reassigned them. Yes, a big mistake. But whose fault? In part, the bishops. Also, in part, was secular society, which at the time was preaching strongly for tolerance of pedophiles and saying they can be cured and reintroduced into society.
@chrisman737 Pedophiles can be learnt self control and can integrate back into society. Most of them do. But even then they aren't "cured", and to put them back into a position were they have power over children was a pants-on-head retarded decision.
@hydra100100 The Servants of the Paraclete is a US religious order, founded in the 40s specifically to treat priests/religious with addicitions & pederasts. Its founder noted even in the 40s that clerical sex abuse was widespread & systemic; winked at by the bishops.HIding & reassigning priests was standard procedure.
He wanted to buy a private island to confine all the priest abusers, as he KNEW they were incurable. But the US bishops would not allow him to.....
@19lfm12 With intensive therapy, guidance, surveillance and placement in a position were he/she has no power over children, a pedophile will most likely be able to reintegrate into society. These priests were repeat offenders because they were moved to a place where they had power over children, again and again. They were enabled by the church to reoffend.
Placing them in complete isolation from society, like this island, wouldn't help them.
@hydra100100 The 'island' solution was one of desperation, as the priest saw the abusers could not be cured within the clerical system.
I agree with what you say. The core problem is that 'priest culture' is 100% based in Dominance/Submission.Not equality as humans. The Laity are viewed as chattel. Placing abusers where they can have power over children is precisely what returning them to parish work is!
@chrisman737 Twenty years ago most bishops sent their 'problem priests' to such as Fr. Benedict Groeschel, the phony psychologist & other like him. Persons & entities run by the Church to make the pretense of 'treating' the abusers. All for show, to stave off lawsuits. They had absolutely NO intention of healing these men or preventing their return to contact with kids. It was all a sham; all intentional.
Please ignore all posts by 19lfm12, because he makes reckless assertions without providing objective evidence from reliable sources. The last thing we need are anti-Catholic Church bigots spouting off reckless and silly assertions while what is most important is making sure that justice is done, the innocent are protected, and the guilty are punished. Let`s stay calm, stay focused, and address the issue at hand.
@chrisman737 Were was he making reckless assertions? Most of it was true, the church is one of the least transparent organisations in the world. They didn't cooperate with police officails, they shuffled around pedophile priests and they tried to keep reports and witnesses silent. Many abuse victims have been threatened to eternal damnation for coming out, by the clergy and ordinary believers.
The last thing we need is another defender of the church.
@hydra100100 We know factually that clerical sex abuse has been ongoing for 1000 years. In the 10th century, St. Peter Damian wrote the 'Book of Gomorrah'. IN it he detailed the vast & systemic corruption of the clergy - noting widespread homosexuality, lewdness with women, illegitimate kids by clerics - and an epidemic of clerical sex abuse of minors.
This is not the writing of some 'enemy of the church'.....St Peter Damian was a Cardinal......!
@19lfm12 Honestly, I'm not surprised if that was true. Although the only real problem is the abuse of minors. And ofcourse the illegitimate children if he didn't support them.
Your comment seems to suggest that homosexuality and sex were bad things. If I'm drawing my conclusions too soon, I'm sorry.
@hydra100100 No no....I am NOT saying homosexuality and/or sex is evil! St. Peter Damian was saying that, & he was wrong in his fanaticism.
But once you get past that, you will see that he was pointing to a systemic immorality...or even amorality....in clerics of the 10th century. Or if you wish, unbridled hedonism, in which ppl are used as sex toys. Not the object of love & affection. This is the context of the D/S priest culture, abuse is an expression of power.
@hydra100100 Sorry you feel that way. I was merely explaining the spiritually corrent understanding of sex & love. Sex without love is merely using another person as a sex toy. That is completely different from a real relationship (married or not).
Homosexuality & gay sex acts - of themselves - are of NO specific religious context. Christ said not one word about them......end of story!
@wyrda222 My point is simple: God has said nothing condemning gay ppl, or even of specific sex acts of themselves. It is NOT mentioned in the Commandments, nor did Jesus say one word about it. Case closed.
The scant 7 biblical verses which refer to gay sex are condemnation of male prostitutes/concubines (VERY prevalent in the ancient world!), & of using ppl as sex toys.
Yet fanatics typically use those 7 verses to vent incredible hated.....& self loathing:)
@chrisman737 1. I am a Roman Catholic & have the right to speak up about clerical corruption.
2. Fr. Benedict Groeschel - who has masqueraded as a 'psychologist; for decades (despite NOT being liscensed as such in ANY state) is the point man. He is personally responsible for 'counseling' scores of priest abusers AND then recommending them for return to parish duty. Only to abuse again....and again.
Yet he will doubtless be made a 'saint' when he dies.......
As far as the priest abuse issue goes, the pope and catholic bishops have lost their moral authority. They ignored complaints, denied allegations, blamed victims, reassigned offenders, failed to report crimes to police, and concealed information. The so-called "church" is anything but a moral institution.
@tonygem No they haven't! Many of them are still as arrogant and as impure as ever. But not every Priest is a vile freak. Surely some are genuine Christians. But a church that violates the Divine teachings is bound to apostatize. The Holy Spirit teaches that Bishops and Deacons should be the husband of one wife 1Tim.3:2,12. The Vatican has been teaching the opposite for over 1500 years. They learned around the 15th Century that they don't represent the Christian Church exclusively. Thank God!
@MultiFreeatLast I agree with you that the early Christians (pre-Council of Nicea) were not an organized religion as we now understand such. And they were destroyed by that organization, which cloaks itself in their 'garment', falsely.
Jesus taught that one loves & serves God by loving & serving your brethren & enemies. Not by mere externals; but in a holistic way of life.
@MultiFreeatLast Pre-Nicea, all Christians believed in & lived what I call the true core of the Catholic Faith - which is at unity with Christ & the Gospel. It's that simple.
The problem is that at Nicea & onward, the Catholic Church went on a trajectory away from the Gospel - & the core of the Catholic Faith itself. Neither the Vatican Administration nor most Catholics actually believe what the Early Xtians believed.
@19lfm12, please read up on your history. Catholics believe in the one true faith, handed down over centuries. The Catholic Church even pre-dates the Bible -- it was a council of the Church that made the final decision as to what should be included. It is clear that your true colors come out now. You aren`t motivated by a love for abused children as I am. Instead, you are motivated by your hatred of the Catholic Church.
@chrisman737 The Roman Catholic Church organization dates to its establishment via Constantine at the Council of Nicea in 325AD - where the Ekklesia of Jesus Christ was sold to Mammon.
2.The Vatican does not believe in the core of the Catholic Faith
3. The texts which comprise the 'bible' vastly predate the establishment of the Vatican
4. The conditioned object of faith of most Catholics is the Vatican & its Administrators; not God.
@MultiFreeatLast Frankly, I would be afraid to look underground at the Vatican. Nor only for what is in the vast Archives, but also as it sits atop a huge Necropolis....and the Circus of Nero.
...think of it as being atop one huge Indian graveyard...and the spiritual ramifications....like a Stephen King novel O.o
America is too affraid to go after these homosexual pedophiles. Religious hustlers, especially Catholic (due to heavy Latino influence) are off limits in the United States.
Finally, at least some one is taking action, but when will be the popes turn? After all he did cover the abuse of some of the clergy in Mexico, USA, Ireland and many other countries.
What an age we live in where clergy can be investigated like this. 50 or 100 years ago, the undeserved automatic respect for "the cloth" would've prevented something like this from ever happening. It's likely that dozens or hundreds of generations of children had life-long problems as a result (and I have to say- dealing with that would've been a LOT harder 700 years ago!)
Wow- it's just an international, intergenerational conspiracy to fuck little boys. 1) Why just little boys? Because there are no alter-girls? 2) Why children? Just because they have the most control over them? Would the situation be better if these guys weren't ordered to undergo decades of inhuman sexual frustration and allowed to date/marry? Or, or perverts just attracted to the power of the priesthood?
@Toureag get your facts straight. they didn't open any tomb. the police made just made a tiny hole in them to investigate them with a camera. tomb dont get diplomatic immunity
@KorneelDewulf Child abuse is terrible, yes.........but why should the media lie about the opening of tombs? I believe cops did this, making me sick to core. Making small holes? Did you wltness this? You must not forget all Belgian cops are like Inspector Clouseau!
@Toureag They did open a tomb ... by drilling a small hole in it. He and I are both Belgians and believe me, the press coverage here is bloody massive. If you search around enough you can find every detail of the raid.
And tomb opening is much less severe than childrape, by several orders of magnitude. Especially since only one of the victims is alive (i.e. the child).
@hydra100100 Come on, if perverts want to hide evidences, why hide them in tombs instead of burning or shedding them? Who needs to keep evidence in these days? None..........
@Toureag As a detective you have to ask yourself: could they have hidden evidence there? The answer is yes, so they had a solid reasoning to at least check the tombs.
@ChaosAngel667 The Stockholm Syndrome of so many Catholics is disgusting!
Church officials have been given plenty of time (years...) to cooperate with govt.investigations & plenty of 'respect' In return they have lied, deceived, sheltered the guilty, refused to produce requested documents, hidden evidence & generally obstructed justice.
Raids were quite justified. The same should be done in other nations & in the US also.. They hide records in the Seminaries & underutilized buildings.....
@hydra100100 In an official planned raid like this, to open or peer into a tomb would be perfectly justified. They would have had a tip giving just cause for such a search. Either documents or even body parts could be hidden there (having nothing to do with the legitimate remains of the individual). In the US graves can be opened for search by court order; it is not unusual.
@ChaosAngel667 Is this photo your face? OMG.........why can't u get ur face facelift + correction? Were u abused? Then try to claim compensation to improve ur face!
@hydra100100 U want me to admit u and Chaos were right? Sorry I can't do this. U know what? Beglian poeple like u are always strange. Wait a min........Have it not for Beglium, would u be French?
@BipedalHumanoid, I did not say that Catholic organizations are immune. Who said such a thing? In my last sentence, I asked that justice indeed be administered -- there is no way I am defending those horrible pedophiles. But the justice needs to be administered IN A WAY THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT GIVEN INTO BIGOTRY. Also, read my first sentences. Searching tombs for evidence? How many private companies have graves of old CEOs searched for evidence? Think about it.
@chrisman737 In the US & other lands, graves can be & are opened & searched by court order in criminal investigations. For documents or other evidence to be hidden in such is not unusual. There would have been a reason - likely a tip-off to search there.
Yes...you are defending pedophiles. You have done this consistently: defending Ratzinger & the Vatican Administration, despite the overwheming evidence of their crimes.
This is deplorable. What kind of evidence were they going to find in the tombs? Were they going to interrogate the corpses? And the violation of the confidentiality of the victims -- horrible. I am all for justice, as is Pope Benedict, but this is really anti-Catholic bias. The Belgians need to calm down, think objectively, and administer justice in a way that is balanced and not given into bigotry.
@chrisman737 A few days before the raids, work was performed in the tombs. These raids take several weeks if not months of planning. If someone leaked something to an outsider who then warned the priests it could have given them time to hide incriminating evidence.
What better place than a tomb? In the (false) hope that people will honor the dead.
@hydra100100 It IS highly likely that they had reason to suspect something hidden in the tombs, perhaps by an inside tip-off. If planned well enough in advance, they would have known just where to look for probable finds of evidence.
@chrisman737 From observing your comments elsewhere, you false 'pity & concern' for the victims' info is sickening. All you care about is supporting the hegemony of the Bishops, Pope & Vatican.
Graves can be & are opened by court order for due cause in searches for criminal evidence. This is nothing new. The Church is NOT above the law & is subject o such search, especially as they have done nothing but obstruct justice in the sex abuse crisis!
@19lfm12 , you have know evidence that my concern for the victims is false. You are making a reckless conclusion. You do not even know who I am. I support the truth, pure and simple. All pedophiles who are genuinely guilty should be brought to justice. Only 5% of priests (way too much for me) have this tendency, about the same as the general population. Get Hollywood to move Polanski out of his 1.5 million dollar estate so he can be justly treated, and then we`ll talk.
@chrisman737 No...you support the self-determined power, 'authority'& hegemony of the Vatican. Even if you are sincere, you are Blind to truth.
Far more then 5% of Clerics are sex abusers; and much wider number have enabled & covered it up. And then we have physical & emotional abuse from the schools....
No sane person would compare the wealth & power of Roman Polanski to Ratz & the Vatican! And he has not been abusing for at least 1000 years....
@19lfm12 , no, I support the truth. No, only 5% have the tendency toward pedophilia. That is a fact. Of those percent that have actually acted on this (less than 5%), a full 60% are not cases of pedophilia, but of epheobophilia (most often of the same gender as the priest, thus suggesting an even more pressing problem of homosexuality). Another 20% are false accusations, leaving 20% of those less than 5% as being genuine. Pedophilia is horrible. So are your bigotry and your distortions.
@chrisman737 There is absolutely no sound basis for the stats you are ranting about. Any 'study' is only as good as its sample base. As said study is based on VERY inadequate & incomplete data, it is intrinsically flawed.
As MOST abuse was either NEVER reported at all- or ignored or the victims threatened into silence by the Church, you have NO way of knowing the true stats.
So you are merely following the mode of LIE of Opus Dei.
@19lfm12, the sound basis exists -- an independent study yielded the results. I gave you hard numbers and facts. You have given me assertions with no objective evidence from reliable sources. You have no idea what was or was not reported, you have no idea of what Opus Dei is about, and, well, you clearly have no evidence whatsoever linking ``fear`` of Obama to Opus Dei. Abortion is murder. So is infanticide. Obama supports the killing of babies who have survived abortion. Do you?
@chrisman737 As there is no complete database of ALL abuse incidents, due to the FACT that most victims kept or were forced into silence by fear of the Church, we do NOT know the true number of cases. All that is known are those cases which the Church considers 'credible'. This is a farce!
Opus Dei is the Anti-Gospel of which Jesus warned. founded by a man who was possessed.
Pathological fear of Obama has been generated & fanned by elements linked to Opus Dei.
@19lfm12, the sound basis exists -- an independent study yielded the results. I gave you hard numbers and facts. You have given me assertions with no objective evidence from reliable sources. You have no idea what was or was not reported, you have no idea of what Opus Dei is about, and, well, you clearly have no evidence whatsoever linking ``fear`` of Obama to Opus Dei. Abortion is murder. So is infanticide. Obama supports the killing of babies who have survived abortion. Do you?
@chrisman737 The last time I checked.....the decision to have an abortion is a personal moral choice. The US goivt.has not made it 'mandatory' in any way. As long as it remains so - regardless of what ANY pundit or politician says - the 'choice' lies with the mother. So it does not matter what Obama or anyone else thinks.
As the Church does NOTHING to materially aid women in crisis pregnancy, much less to help single mothers to raise their kids....they do NOT represent Christ!
@19lfm12 , whose choice? ``If abortion is about women`s rights, where were my rights?`` These words were spoken by Gianna Jessen, whose mother tried to burn her to death through a saline abortion. She managed to survive. Under law, a doctor could have strangled her as she came out of the womb -- perfectly legal in the years before Gianna was born. Thank God for Gianna, she was born in a different year. She still lives and talks against abortion all the time.
@chrisman737 Gianna is nothing more then an Opus Dei saint, selected for political ends.
The decision to do right or wrong rests ONLY in the hand of the individual. Not the Church or State. So the mother makes the choices regarding her child.
If the Church would divest itself of its sinful WEALTH & give it to the poor - including unwed mothers & those in crisis pregnancy, then Abortion would become a non-issue.
@19lfm12, you offer only a conspiratorial view of the Catholic Church without providing the least bit of evidence. Provide objective, reliable evidence from unbiased sources (complete with citations) for your following assertions: that Gianna has been `selected``for political ends, that all the organizations I listed are opus dei related operations, that the Church does NOTHING to materially aid women in crisis pregnancy, etc... You are merely spouting assertions that are unjustifiable.
@chrisman737 Opus Dei, via various Catholic & non-Catholic collaborators, has been intentionally using Abortion as a political tool to interfere with US politics. Creating factions & pitting them against each other. Gianna is simply a 'tool'.
The connectivity is seen via such as The Family, EWTN, Focus on the Family, Priests for Life, Heritage Foundation, Catholic League, FOXnews & the Teabaggers.
@chrisman737 Those who do not see the complete evil which is the Leaven of Jose Maria Escriva & his Opus Dei are Blind to reality. It & he are of Satan, posing as if of light. It is something very ancient which is posing in the guise of religion.
He & the Obra are the spirit of the Inquisition, which is of Satan. Presenting & nurturing talking points for hidden agendas of manipulation.
@19lfm12 , plenty of Catholic and Christian organizations do a great deal to help women in crisis pregnancy. Nearly every diocese has a family life office and social service centers that do this. In Boston, Project Rachel, Crisis Pregnancy Center, Project Hope, and others all give massive amounts of material assistance to mothers. When have you last done so? How much have you given to this cause? Please consider donating if you have even one charitable bone in your body.
@19lfm12 , and I find it interesting that you pretend to be pro-child and yet you seem to support abortion. Do you? Do you believe it is permissible to burn a baby to death in the womb with a saline solution, or to hack it into pieces, or to partially deliver it and then have its brains sucked out, or to strangle the baby as it comes out? Stop posing as a protector of innocent life when you okay slaughter in the womb.
@19lfm12 , I merely said you seem to support abortion. Your statement that abortion ``only kills a body`` seemed to indicate a minimization of the evil. Don`t blame me. Look at yourself and your own statemens. Also, I can see you have ignored my request for presenting objective evidence from reliable sources, complete with citations. I can only assume that you are simply spouting inflammatory assertions, nothing more. Please don`t insult our intelligence any more. Goodbye.
@chrisman737 You are lying & equivocating.I stated plainly that abortion is murder.
That it is only the killing of a body is mundane & spiritual truth; the soul is unharmed & returns to God. Go & buy some basic theology at WalMart!
Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls; often of BOTH body & soul due to the self-destruction & even suicide which sadly results. Chirst warned against those who do this as cursed men. Sadly you support them, to your detriment.....
@chrisman737 You are lying & equivocating...again.
I stated very clearly that Abortion is murder. Get some reading comprehension!
You are just playing at words.....typical of Opus Dei types.
Abortion only kills a body; Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls. Thus the latter is obviously far worse then Abortion ever could be - as it destroys the victims faith, making it extremely difficult for him/her to believe in God.
They should also be prosecuted for fraud for taking money under false pretenses unless they can prove by scientific testing that the magic wafers that they claim turn into the flesh of Jesus after magic words are chanted actually are human flesh. If it turns out they are lying about that, their fraudulently attained money should be confiscated and returned to the public.
The Catholic Church is operating a world wide child molestation machine. They have been doing it for many generations. I want it to stop, and I want the guilty put into prisons.
@coffeefish We know, factually, that clerical sex abuse has gone on in the Church for 1000 years. Proof? Check out the writings of St. Peter Damian, who lived at that time & his 'Book of Gomorrah".
In it, he details the rampant clergy corruption of that day & the then rampant clerical pederasty which he cited & condemned.
YES! Justice above all, you can't put on a collar and think you can get away with crimes, put them all in jail, the ones that covered it up too! All countries should do this with criminal clergy of any denomination!
1) I can't believe what I read on the BBC site about the Pope's reaction to these police raids. The Pope is "outraged" at the authorities. Well, it's the public that should be outraged at the Church, for crying out loud! The Pope & the Church will have to get used to the REAL world, where they don't have immunity from crimes like sexual abuse of children. The police treated church officials no differently than they would ANYONE or ANY organization suspected of covering up child sexual abuse.
2) The Pope is just making the Church look worse by complaining. What a bunch of pompous idiots. Do they really think they are above the law? Oh, wait... of course they do... how silly of me. They follow "God's law, not the law of man". So is it OK under God's law to sexually abuse children, & then cover it up systemically? We'll soon find out, after Belgian authorities review the files & computer records they confiscated from the Catholic HQ!! Can't wait!
@RemixedVideoDJ: Arrest the pope if he is conspiring in covering up child rape. Get rid of the non-sense of religion? Well, if you mean convincing people they're mistaken, then yes. If you mean banning it, then fuck no. Not only won't it work, but it'd be a terrible blow to freedom.
Truly protestants are very quick to point the finger at the catholic church and their long run in pedophilia and other sex crimes, and demonizing while denying every possibility of anything similar happening in their own churches.
But there HAVE been known cases of young men and women raped by priests of anglican and pentacostal churches, which took years to see the light, who knows how many abuses take place daily in america and are kept in the shadows.
@Azotadeth The Vatican has existed for 1700 years, long before the Protestant entities & is of far greated scope & global influence. Catholic clerical sex abuse of minors can be proven to go back at least 1000 years.
Proof? The Book of Gomorrah & other writing by St. Peter Damian, from around the year 1000. He cites the then rampant clergy corruption AND pandemnic of clerical sex abuse of boys.
@19lfm12 , If you are so very concerned about children, be consistent -- I certainly hope you condemn abortion and infanticide. We have a US president who supports slaughtering human life in the womb as a constitutional right, and infanticide of already-born survivors of abortion as being acceptable. Please speak out against these atrocities as well.
@chrisman737 1. The pathological fear & hatred of Obama has been engineered by Opus Dei
2. Abortion only kills a body; Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of both body AND soul...the perpetrators of which Christ warned of!
3. If you & other 'pious ones' are soooooo concerned about life - then how about the shattered lives of Clerical Abuse Victims? And how about providing unlimited material support to enable women in crisis pregnancy to be able to AFFORD to keep & raise their child?
@19lfm12 1. Your assertion is an empty statement with no evidence. Most aversion to Obama has been created by the excessive hero worship of Obama fans (including re-writing Christian hymns to praise Obama and giving him the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing. 2. Abortion is murder, pedophilia is horrible and destructive. Both are serious sins. Be consistent. 3. I am concerned about the victims. There are many Catholic groups that gives massive assitance to women in crisis pregnancies.
@chrisman737 1. The pathological fear of Obama has been created & nurtured by elements linked to Opus Dei & the Legion of Xt, Catholic & non. Everything from the anti-Abortion groups to FOXnews, Teabaggers, & Focus on the Family.
2. Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls; often causing the death of body AND soul. Thus far worse the abortion ever could be, which only kills a body.
3. There is no such thing as 'massive assistance' by the RCC to crisis pregnancy.
I live in what is supposedly a secular state where the catholic church still gets cash from the state coffers (and they protest heavily if there is any attempt to sever or diminish this ILLEGAL cash flow) and still thinks it should have a hand in public life as if the dictatorship they had upheld hadnt ended nearly 4 decades ago.
What I mean to say is: I know the Catholic Church.
If you think changing denominations saves others from commiting the same flaws you are severely naive.
@drchaffee That's their problem. If they don't like it, they don't have to join. Shit, and even if they broke their stupid religious laws having a legit, legal relationship wouldn't be so bad. But's its always some type of abuse towards women or children. These people might just be screwed up in the head.
@Savior20061 Their clerical population attracts a disproportionate number of ("screwed up in the head") deviants precisely because they are looking for people who either find long-term, intimate relations with women to be repulsive; or people who are trying to repress urges they believe to be wrong and sinful. They are like people who become psychologists in order to treat themselves. I believe the church said it doesn't have a problem with gay priests who don't act on it. Bad recipe, huh?
The catholic church just needs to let their freaks get their priest on, I mean, let their priests get their freak on with women, then they might leave the kids buttholes alone.
apparently the catholic church are starting to attack the belgians now for this - see bbc news. oneof them even compared it to communist rule. yeah, you can go abuse children and of course the goverment shouldn't be allowed to investigate. fucking cunts. no special treatment for religion. its about time
I wonder when church will modify their SCAM and ask God to help (employ proper experts) detecting potential pedophiles prior they caused any more bad publicity.
Go Belgium! You have way better schools than America, you have a much higher irreligion rate and some fucking common sense even, apparently, and you even have the intelligence to do what other conservative, fucked and infested countries like America wouldn't have the balls to do if it threatened America's nuts.
So, they decided to start enforcing the laws set in place to protect innocent children?
Gee, I guess we should be happy about this. However, I feel it's a bit belated and too little, too late.
A real victory will be when we get people to stop mentally handicapping and abusing their children with threats of hell fire and all sorts of other abuse. Then we may have something approaching a civilization to speak of.
Raids on the Catholic Church? Not only is this well-deserved and potentially helpful in solving the abuse problem, it sends a hell of a message: "You are no longer above the law." :)
My goodness. Is Catholicism a disease? Are they really mentally ill or what? I don't understand that those dumb priests still have a desire to have sex with children. It's so deplorable. I am furious.
The Catholic Church was never any good at all. Let's see: Selling indulgences, accusing many innocent woman of witchcraft, burning people at the stake, censoring science, discriminating Jews, and so on. Colombus used Catholicism to justify the killings of many innocent natives. Hitler did the same for Jews. Now it's about kids being used for sexual favors. I don't get why anyone would put their faith in such a cult, having a terrible past.
It looks like Belgium grew some balls for fucking justice. Other countries should follow in their footsteps. These pederasts are reaching the end of the free boy sex buffet. This is justice.
they should've been "arrested" osama-style
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niwanthiumara 10 months ago
once again, hypocricsy in major organized religions rears its ugly head.
MissusFingerBottom 1 year ago
Vangelu XD
Its Vàn-ghe-lu-we
I don't blame them, i can pronounce that Icelandic volcano neither.
wybo2 1 year ago
The Pope is really just the Top Pedophile.
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"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders." /1 Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)
Strateg68 1 year ago
@Strateg68 do you mean homosexuals who've like shoplifted or something?
wyrda222 1 year ago
@Strateg68 Please learn how to read.
The scant 7 Scriptural citations referring to gay sex are NOT condemnations of homosexuals by God as 'intrinsically evil'. They are condemnations of male prostitutes & concubines - and using other ppl as sex toys! Not sex acts of themselves, which are of NO specific religious context!
If Jesus is God, then He wrote the Commandments, which say NOTHING about gays! Nor did He say one word about them in His teachings.....case closed!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12
Why the word gay are you people ashamed of what you are,there is nothing wrong with the word homosexual.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
@1952YOU1320TUBE1952 If you had any cognitive function, you would know that the word 'gay' is easier to type, uses fewer characters, & is an acceptable term.
Perhaps you should focus on the TRUTH which was stated in the above comment.
19lfm12 5 months ago
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1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
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@19lfm12 Already with the insult's did I insut you
I know quite a few homosexual's and to call them gay is about as far from the truth as you can get.when the word Gay is used in it's true sense.I for one don't find it acceptable it's fucked up a truly beautiful English word, and what TRUTH are you referring too.
"you would know that the word 'gay' is easier to type"
So is OMO,which reflect's your true nature does it not ? or better still I am a homosexual,
which I find acceptable.
1952YOU1320TUBE1952 5 months ago
The catholic church has institutionalized pedophilia.
rleeermy 1 year ago 2
What is it going to take to prove that the catholic church is bullshit. You can not get much lower than a pedophile. Hay catholic,s still think there is a god . You should think again.
2estring57 1 year ago
There is no question that pedophilia is a horrible thing. But how important it is to look at the whole picture. Twenty years ago many bishops had pedophile priests go for counseling. The therapists said they were cured and the bishops reassigned them. Yes, a big mistake. But whose fault? In part, the bishops. Also, in part, was secular society, which at the time was preaching strongly for tolerance of pedophiles and saying they can be cured and reintroduced into society.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Pedophiles can be learnt self control and can integrate back into society. Most of them do. But even then they aren't "cured", and to put them back into a position were they have power over children was a pants-on-head retarded decision.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 The Servants of the Paraclete is a US religious order, founded in the 40s specifically to treat priests/religious with addicitions & pederasts. Its founder noted even in the 40s that clerical sex abuse was widespread & systemic; winked at by the bishops.HIding & reassigning priests was standard procedure.
He wanted to buy a private island to confine all the priest abusers, as he KNEW they were incurable. But the US bishops would not allow him to.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 With intensive therapy, guidance, surveillance and placement in a position were he/she has no power over children, a pedophile will most likely be able to reintegrate into society. These priests were repeat offenders because they were moved to a place where they had power over children, again and again. They were enabled by the church to reoffend.
Placing them in complete isolation from society, like this island, wouldn't help them.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 The 'island' solution was one of desperation, as the priest saw the abusers could not be cured within the clerical system.
I agree with what you say. The core problem is that 'priest culture' is 100% based in Dominance/Submission.Not equality as humans. The Laity are viewed as chattel. Placing abusers where they can have power over children is precisely what returning them to parish work is!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Twenty years ago most bishops sent their 'problem priests' to such as Fr. Benedict Groeschel, the phony psychologist & other like him. Persons & entities run by the Church to make the pretense of 'treating' the abusers. All for show, to stave off lawsuits. They had absolutely NO intention of healing these men or preventing their return to contact with kids. It was all a sham; all intentional.
19lfm12 1 year ago
Please ignore all posts by 19lfm12, because he makes reckless assertions without providing objective evidence from reliable sources. The last thing we need are anti-Catholic Church bigots spouting off reckless and silly assertions while what is most important is making sure that justice is done, the innocent are protected, and the guilty are punished. Let`s stay calm, stay focused, and address the issue at hand.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Were was he making reckless assertions? Most of it was true, the church is one of the least transparent organisations in the world. They didn't cooperate with police officails, they shuffled around pedophile priests and they tried to keep reports and witnesses silent. Many abuse victims have been threatened to eternal damnation for coming out, by the clergy and ordinary believers.
The last thing we need is another defender of the church.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 We know factually that clerical sex abuse has been ongoing for 1000 years. In the 10th century, St. Peter Damian wrote the 'Book of Gomorrah'. IN it he detailed the vast & systemic corruption of the clergy - noting widespread homosexuality, lewdness with women, illegitimate kids by clerics - and an epidemic of clerical sex abuse of minors.
This is not the writing of some 'enemy of the church'.....St Peter Damian was a Cardinal......!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Honestly, I'm not surprised if that was true. Although the only real problem is the abuse of minors. And ofcourse the illegitimate children if he didn't support them.
Your comment seems to suggest that homosexuality and sex were bad things. If I'm drawing my conclusions too soon, I'm sorry.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 No no....I am NOT saying homosexuality and/or sex is evil! St. Peter Damian was saying that, & he was wrong in his fanaticism.
But once you get past that, you will see that he was pointing to a systemic immorality...or even amorality....in clerics of the 10th century. Or if you wish, unbridled hedonism, in which ppl are used as sex toys. Not the object of love & affection. This is the context of the D/S priest culture, abuse is an expression of power.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Your comment seemed to suggest agreement with Damian, again I'm sorry.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 Sorry you feel that way. I was merely explaining the spiritually corrent understanding of sex & love. Sex without love is merely using another person as a sex toy. That is completely different from a real relationship (married or not).
Homosexuality & gay sex acts - of themselves - are of NO specific religious context. Christ said not one word about them......end of story!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 that's what you get when you kid yourself into believing your closer to god than any other person on this planet.
"what is hate but love tortured and twisted by its own desire"
wyrda222 1 year ago
@wyrda222 My point is simple: God has said nothing condemning gay ppl, or even of specific sex acts of themselves. It is NOT mentioned in the Commandments, nor did Jesus say one word about it. Case closed.
The scant 7 biblical verses which refer to gay sex are condemnation of male prostitutes/concubines (VERY prevalent in the ancient world!), & of using ppl as sex toys.
Yet fanatics typically use those 7 verses to vent incredible hated.....& self loathing:)
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 1. I am a Roman Catholic & have the right to speak up about clerical corruption.
2. Fr. Benedict Groeschel - who has masqueraded as a 'psychologist; for decades (despite NOT being liscensed as such in ANY state) is the point man. He is personally responsible for 'counseling' scores of priest abusers AND then recommending them for return to parish duty. Only to abuse again....and again.
Yet he will doubtless be made a 'saint' when he dies.......
19lfm12 1 year ago
As far as the priest abuse issue goes, the pope and catholic bishops have lost their moral authority. They ignored complaints, denied allegations, blamed victims, reassigned offenders, failed to report crimes to police, and concealed information. The so-called "church" is anything but a moral institution.
tonygem 1 year ago
@tonygem No they haven't! Many of them are still as arrogant and as impure as ever. But not every Priest is a vile freak. Surely some are genuine Christians. But a church that violates the Divine teachings is bound to apostatize. The Holy Spirit teaches that Bishops and Deacons should be the husband of one wife 1Tim.3:2,12. The Vatican has been teaching the opposite for over 1500 years. They learned around the 15th Century that they don't represent the Christian Church exclusively. Thank God!
frbjoernLA 11 months ago
@MultiFreeatLast I agree with you that the early Christians (pre-Council of Nicea) were not an organized religion as we now understand such. And they were destroyed by that organization, which cloaks itself in their 'garment', falsely.
Jesus taught that one loves & serves God by loving & serving your brethren & enemies. Not by mere externals; but in a holistic way of life.
The greatest 'sin' is not to love.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@MultiFreeatLast Pre-Nicea, all Christians believed in & lived what I call the true core of the Catholic Faith - which is at unity with Christ & the Gospel. It's that simple.
The problem is that at Nicea & onward, the Catholic Church went on a trajectory away from the Gospel - & the core of the Catholic Faith itself. Neither the Vatican Administration nor most Catholics actually believe what the Early Xtians believed.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12, please read up on your history. Catholics believe in the one true faith, handed down over centuries. The Catholic Church even pre-dates the Bible -- it was a council of the Church that made the final decision as to what should be included. It is clear that your true colors come out now. You aren`t motivated by a love for abused children as I am. Instead, you are motivated by your hatred of the Catholic Church.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 The Roman Catholic Church organization dates to its establishment via Constantine at the Council of Nicea in 325AD - where the Ekklesia of Jesus Christ was sold to Mammon.
2.The Vatican does not believe in the core of the Catholic Faith
3. The texts which comprise the 'bible' vastly predate the establishment of the Vatican
4. The conditioned object of faith of most Catholics is the Vatican & its Administrators; not God.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@MultiFreeatLast Frankly, I would be afraid to look underground at the Vatican. Nor only for what is in the vast Archives, but also as it sits atop a huge Necropolis....and the Circus of Nero.
...think of it as being atop one huge Indian graveyard...and the spiritual ramifications....like a Stephen King novel O.o
19lfm12 1 year ago
Go get 'em Europe!
America is too affraid to go after these homosexual pedophiles. Religious hustlers, especially Catholic (due to heavy Latino influence) are off limits in the United States.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago
We have no problem attacking the church for sex abuse charges but god forbid if we touch the richest of the rich and popular politicians.
StateQuoable 1 year ago
@StateQuoable "If it is not perfect I don't like it even if it is an improvement".
FTFY.
ChaosAngel667 1 year ago
Finally, at least some one is taking action, but when will be the popes turn? After all he did cover the abuse of some of the clergy in Mexico, USA, Ireland and many other countries.
longstrider9999 1 year ago
They arent above the fucking law
C0mm0nS3ns3 1 year ago
What an age we live in where clergy can be investigated like this. 50 or 100 years ago, the undeserved automatic respect for "the cloth" would've prevented something like this from ever happening. It's likely that dozens or hundreds of generations of children had life-long problems as a result (and I have to say- dealing with that would've been a LOT harder 700 years ago!)
blurglide 1 year ago
Wow- it's just an international, intergenerational conspiracy to fuck little boys. 1) Why just little boys? Because there are no alter-girls? 2) Why children? Just because they have the most control over them? Would the situation be better if these guys weren't ordered to undergo decades of inhuman sexual frustration and allowed to date/marry? Or, or perverts just attracted to the power of the priesthood?
blurglide 1 year ago
OMG.......open the tombs? Refused to serve with tea-coffee-water to bishops? Cops are now worse than paedophilia.
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag get your facts straight. they didn't open any tomb. the police made just made a tiny hole in them to investigate them with a camera. tomb dont get diplomatic immunity
KorneelDewulf 1 year ago
@KorneelDewulf Child abuse is terrible, yes.........but why should the media lie about the opening of tombs? I believe cops did this, making me sick to core. Making small holes? Did you wltness this? You must not forget all Belgian cops are like Inspector Clouseau!
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag They did open a tomb ... by drilling a small hole in it. He and I are both Belgians and believe me, the press coverage here is bloody massive. If you search around enough you can find every detail of the raid.
And tomb opening is much less severe than childrape, by several orders of magnitude. Especially since only one of the victims is alive (i.e. the child).
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 Come on, if perverts want to hide evidences, why hide them in tombs instead of burning or shedding them? Who needs to keep evidence in these days? None..........
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag Criminals aren't always the brightest minds in the group, acts of desperation are very often irrational and illogical.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 This is no excuse!
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag As a detective you have to ask yourself: could they have hidden evidence there? The answer is yes, so they had a solid reasoning to at least check the tombs.
It's not like they ransacked the place.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@Toureag torture and rape of children is not excuse for a raid?
ChaosAngel667 1 year ago
@ChaosAngel667 The Stockholm Syndrome of so many Catholics is disgusting!
Church officials have been given plenty of time (years...) to cooperate with govt.investigations & plenty of 'respect' In return they have lied, deceived, sheltered the guilty, refused to produce requested documents, hidden evidence & generally obstructed justice.
Raids were quite justified. The same should be done in other nations & in the US also.. They hide records in the Seminaries & underutilized buildings.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@hydra100100 In an official planned raid like this, to open or peer into a tomb would be perfectly justified. They would have had a tip giving just cause for such a search. Either documents or even body parts could be hidden there (having nothing to do with the legitimate remains of the individual). In the US graves can be opened for search by court order; it is not unusual.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@Toureag the bodies and bones can be evidence of a crime.
ChaosAngel667 1 year ago
@ChaosAngel667 Is this photo your face? OMG.........why can't u get ur face facelift + correction? Were u abused? Then try to claim compensation to improve ur face!
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag those attempts of insult are lame.
ChaosAngel667 1 year ago
@Toureag Have you degraded to insults already? That must mean ChaosAngel and I were right.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 U want me to admit u and Chaos were right? Sorry I can't do this. U know what? Beglian poeple like u are always strange. Wait a min........Have it not for Beglium, would u be French?
Toureag 1 year ago
@Toureag You don't have to admit it, the fact that you resorted to insults shows us that you have no arguments left.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@BipedalHumanoid, I did not say that Catholic organizations are immune. Who said such a thing? In my last sentence, I asked that justice indeed be administered -- there is no way I am defending those horrible pedophiles. But the justice needs to be administered IN A WAY THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT GIVEN INTO BIGOTRY. Also, read my first sentences. Searching tombs for evidence? How many private companies have graves of old CEOs searched for evidence? Think about it.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 In the US & other lands, graves can be & are opened & searched by court order in criminal investigations. For documents or other evidence to be hidden in such is not unusual. There would have been a reason - likely a tip-off to search there.
Yes...you are defending pedophiles. You have done this consistently: defending Ratzinger & the Vatican Administration, despite the overwheming evidence of their crimes.
19lfm12 1 year ago
They don't have to pay tax so why can't they fuck our children?
samten54 1 year ago
This is deplorable. What kind of evidence were they going to find in the tombs? Were they going to interrogate the corpses? And the violation of the confidentiality of the victims -- horrible. I am all for justice, as is Pope Benedict, but this is really anti-Catholic bias. The Belgians need to calm down, think objectively, and administer justice in a way that is balanced and not given into bigotry.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 A few days before the raids, work was performed in the tombs. These raids take several weeks if not months of planning. If someone leaked something to an outsider who then warned the priests it could have given them time to hide incriminating evidence.
What better place than a tomb? In the (false) hope that people will honor the dead.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 It IS highly likely that they had reason to suspect something hidden in the tombs, perhaps by an inside tip-off. If planned well enough in advance, they would have known just where to look for probable finds of evidence.
These raids were 100% justified.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 From observing your comments elsewhere, you false 'pity & concern' for the victims' info is sickening. All you care about is supporting the hegemony of the Bishops, Pope & Vatican.
Graves can be & are opened by court order for due cause in searches for criminal evidence. This is nothing new. The Church is NOT above the law & is subject o such search, especially as they have done nothing but obstruct justice in the sex abuse crisis!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , you have know evidence that my concern for the victims is false. You are making a reckless conclusion. You do not even know who I am. I support the truth, pure and simple. All pedophiles who are genuinely guilty should be brought to justice. Only 5% of priests (way too much for me) have this tendency, about the same as the general population. Get Hollywood to move Polanski out of his 1.5 million dollar estate so he can be justly treated, and then we`ll talk.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 No...you support the self-determined power, 'authority'& hegemony of the Vatican. Even if you are sincere, you are Blind to truth.
Far more then 5% of Clerics are sex abusers; and much wider number have enabled & covered it up. And then we have physical & emotional abuse from the schools....
No sane person would compare the wealth & power of Roman Polanski to Ratz & the Vatican! And he has not been abusing for at least 1000 years....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , no, I support the truth. No, only 5% have the tendency toward pedophilia. That is a fact. Of those percent that have actually acted on this (less than 5%), a full 60% are not cases of pedophilia, but of epheobophilia (most often of the same gender as the priest, thus suggesting an even more pressing problem of homosexuality). Another 20% are false accusations, leaving 20% of those less than 5% as being genuine. Pedophilia is horrible. So are your bigotry and your distortions.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 There is absolutely no sound basis for the stats you are ranting about. Any 'study' is only as good as its sample base. As said study is based on VERY inadequate & incomplete data, it is intrinsically flawed.
As MOST abuse was either NEVER reported at all- or ignored or the victims threatened into silence by the Church, you have NO way of knowing the true stats.
So you are merely following the mode of LIE of Opus Dei.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12, the sound basis exists -- an independent study yielded the results. I gave you hard numbers and facts. You have given me assertions with no objective evidence from reliable sources. You have no idea what was or was not reported, you have no idea of what Opus Dei is about, and, well, you clearly have no evidence whatsoever linking ``fear`` of Obama to Opus Dei. Abortion is murder. So is infanticide. Obama supports the killing of babies who have survived abortion. Do you?
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 As there is no complete database of ALL abuse incidents, due to the FACT that most victims kept or were forced into silence by fear of the Church, we do NOT know the true number of cases. All that is known are those cases which the Church considers 'credible'. This is a farce!
Opus Dei is the Anti-Gospel of which Jesus warned. founded by a man who was possessed.
Pathological fear of Obama has been generated & fanned by elements linked to Opus Dei.
19lfm12 1 year ago
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@19lfm12, the sound basis exists -- an independent study yielded the results. I gave you hard numbers and facts. You have given me assertions with no objective evidence from reliable sources. You have no idea what was or was not reported, you have no idea of what Opus Dei is about, and, well, you clearly have no evidence whatsoever linking ``fear`` of Obama to Opus Dei. Abortion is murder. So is infanticide. Obama supports the killing of babies who have survived abortion. Do you?
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 The last time I checked.....the decision to have an abortion is a personal moral choice. The US goivt.has not made it 'mandatory' in any way. As long as it remains so - regardless of what ANY pundit or politician says - the 'choice' lies with the mother. So it does not matter what Obama or anyone else thinks.
As the Church does NOTHING to materially aid women in crisis pregnancy, much less to help single mothers to raise their kids....they do NOT represent Christ!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , whose choice? ``If abortion is about women`s rights, where were my rights?`` These words were spoken by Gianna Jessen, whose mother tried to burn her to death through a saline abortion. She managed to survive. Under law, a doctor could have strangled her as she came out of the womb -- perfectly legal in the years before Gianna was born. Thank God for Gianna, she was born in a different year. She still lives and talks against abortion all the time.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Gianna is nothing more then an Opus Dei saint, selected for political ends.
The decision to do right or wrong rests ONLY in the hand of the individual. Not the Church or State. So the mother makes the choices regarding her child.
If the Church would divest itself of its sinful WEALTH & give it to the poor - including unwed mothers & those in crisis pregnancy, then Abortion would become a non-issue.
The Vatican spits in the face of Christ daily.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12, you offer only a conspiratorial view of the Catholic Church without providing the least bit of evidence. Provide objective, reliable evidence from unbiased sources (complete with citations) for your following assertions: that Gianna has been `selected``for political ends, that all the organizations I listed are opus dei related operations, that the Church does NOTHING to materially aid women in crisis pregnancy, etc... You are merely spouting assertions that are unjustifiable.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Opus Dei, via various Catholic & non-Catholic collaborators, has been intentionally using Abortion as a political tool to interfere with US politics. Creating factions & pitting them against each other. Gianna is simply a 'tool'.
The connectivity is seen via such as The Family, EWTN, Focus on the Family, Priests for Life, Heritage Foundation, Catholic League, FOXnews & the Teabaggers.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Those who do not see the complete evil which is the Leaven of Jose Maria Escriva & his Opus Dei are Blind to reality. It & he are of Satan, posing as if of light. It is something very ancient which is posing in the guise of religion.
He & the Obra are the spirit of the Inquisition, which is of Satan. Presenting & nurturing talking points for hidden agendas of manipulation.
Opus Dei is the Anti-Gospel.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , plenty of Catholic and Christian organizations do a great deal to help women in crisis pregnancy. Nearly every diocese has a family life office and social service centers that do this. In Boston, Project Rachel, Crisis Pregnancy Center, Project Hope, and others all give massive amounts of material assistance to mothers. When have you last done so? How much have you given to this cause? Please consider donating if you have even one charitable bone in your body.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 Those are Opus Dei related operations; just for show.....pathetic!
In the metro NY/NJ/CT area there are 28 million ppl & 7 Dioceses. Yet only some 100 beds in Catholic run facilities for women in crisis pregnancy.
Considering the VAST wealth of the Church - this is spitting in the face of Christ! AND a mockery of the Gospel.
I refuse to give one penny to the Church.
I give cash directly into the hands of the homeless, who are Christ.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , and I find it interesting that you pretend to be pro-child and yet you seem to support abortion. Do you? Do you believe it is permissible to burn a baby to death in the womb with a saline solution, or to hack it into pieces, or to partially deliver it and then have its brains sucked out, or to strangle the baby as it comes out? Stop posing as a protector of innocent life when you okay slaughter in the womb.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 You are a very manipulative person & dishonest in the extreme.Typical of the 'Leaven of JoseMaria Escriva'.
I have said nothing to indicate favoring Abortion; I have referred to it as murder.
Please go to WalMart & buy some reading comprehension.
Then look up 'psychological manipulation' & note how many of these techniques you are using.
Deceit is not of Christ.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , I merely said you seem to support abortion. Your statement that abortion ``only kills a body`` seemed to indicate a minimization of the evil. Don`t blame me. Look at yourself and your own statemens. Also, I can see you have ignored my request for presenting objective evidence from reliable sources, complete with citations. I can only assume that you are simply spouting inflammatory assertions, nothing more. Please don`t insult our intelligence any more. Goodbye.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 You are lying & equivocating.I stated plainly that abortion is murder.
That it is only the killing of a body is mundane & spiritual truth; the soul is unharmed & returns to God. Go & buy some basic theology at WalMart!
Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls; often of BOTH body & soul due to the self-destruction & even suicide which sadly results. Chirst warned against those who do this as cursed men. Sadly you support them, to your detriment.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 You are lying & equivocating...again.
I stated very clearly that Abortion is murder. Get some reading comprehension!
You are just playing at words.....typical of Opus Dei types.
Abortion only kills a body; Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls. Thus the latter is obviously far worse then Abortion ever could be - as it destroys the victims faith, making it extremely difficult for him/her to believe in God.
Which of those words is confusing to you?
19lfm12 1 year ago
@chrisman737 These 'stats' are both unsourced & patently incomplete, therefore false data.
19lfm12 1 year ago
How could any earthly law foreshadow the house of God. This is God speaking here.
fsxmantra 1 year ago
hi god
plimbuff 1 year ago
go Belgium!
mike28 1 year ago
They should also be prosecuted for fraud for taking money under false pretenses unless they can prove by scientific testing that the magic wafers that they claim turn into the flesh of Jesus after magic words are chanted actually are human flesh. If it turns out they are lying about that, their fraudulently attained money should be confiscated and returned to the public.
jamesrobertdobbs 1 year ago
They all need to be castrated!
DreamingTree33 1 year ago
This is awesome, seeing these bastards come down. All of these deviants must be put away.
mcgaugh57 1 year ago
The Catholic Church is operating a world wide child molestation machine. They have been doing it for many generations. I want it to stop, and I want the guilty put into prisons.
coffeefish 1 year ago 3
@coffeefish We know, factually, that clerical sex abuse has gone on in the Church for 1000 years. Proof? Check out the writings of St. Peter Damian, who lived at that time & his 'Book of Gomorrah".
In it, he details the rampant clergy corruption of that day & the then rampant clerical pederasty which he cited & condemned.
Fact!
19lfm12 1 year ago
YES! Justice above all, you can't put on a collar and think you can get away with crimes, put them all in jail, the ones that covered it up too! All countries should do this with criminal clergy of any denomination!
LatinFreethinker 1 year ago 4
1) I can't believe what I read on the BBC site about the Pope's reaction to these police raids. The Pope is "outraged" at the authorities. Well, it's the public that should be outraged at the Church, for crying out loud! The Pope & the Church will have to get used to the REAL world, where they don't have immunity from crimes like sexual abuse of children. The police treated church officials no differently than they would ANYONE or ANY organization suspected of covering up child sexual abuse.
32Iroomi321 1 year ago 3
@32Iroomi321 No doubt he really believes he and his clergy are above it. This is great to see justice prevail.
mcgaugh57 1 year ago
2) The Pope is just making the Church look worse by complaining. What a bunch of pompous idiots. Do they really think they are above the law? Oh, wait... of course they do... how silly of me. They follow "God's law, not the law of man". So is it OK under God's law to sexually abuse children, & then cover it up systemically? We'll soon find out, after Belgian authorities review the files & computer records they confiscated from the Catholic HQ!! Can't wait!
32Iroomi321 1 year ago 3
Priests simply want to share Jesus Christ through sharing their own semen. DUH! Let them do what they want
Fas6pa 1 year ago 2
Good work Boys go get em !!!!!
ratm2112 1 year ago 2
The Catholic Church will nominate Steven Seagal as the next pope, after all he's ... Above The Law
Chiflado21 1 year ago
I say arrest the Pope and get rid of all religion non-sense!!!!!!!!!
RemixedVideoDJ 1 year ago 4
@RemixedVideoDJ: Arrest the pope if he is conspiring in covering up child rape. Get rid of the non-sense of religion? Well, if you mean convincing people they're mistaken, then yes. If you mean banning it, then fuck no. Not only won't it work, but it'd be a terrible blow to freedom.
blurglide 1 year ago
why do they have to pick upon young kids .. they can get them selfs a whore .. its better ... crazy peopel of religion............
0loveI0music 1 year ago 2
hopefully... one day... this will happen in the states.
you can be sure children are being abused by clergy in the church TO THIS DAY.
MpowerdAPE 1 year ago
@MpowerdAPE
Truly protestants are very quick to point the finger at the catholic church and their long run in pedophilia and other sex crimes, and demonizing while denying every possibility of anything similar happening in their own churches.
But there HAVE been known cases of young men and women raped by priests of anglican and pentacostal churches, which took years to see the light, who knows how many abuses take place daily in america and are kept in the shadows.
Azotadeth 1 year ago 3
@Azotadeth The Vatican has existed for 1700 years, long before the Protestant entities & is of far greated scope & global influence. Catholic clerical sex abuse of minors can be proven to go back at least 1000 years.
Proof? The Book of Gomorrah & other writing by St. Peter Damian, from around the year 1000. He cites the then rampant clergy corruption AND pandemnic of clerical sex abuse of boys.
Facts!
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 , If you are so very concerned about children, be consistent -- I certainly hope you condemn abortion and infanticide. We have a US president who supports slaughtering human life in the womb as a constitutional right, and infanticide of already-born survivors of abortion as being acceptable. Please speak out against these atrocities as well.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 1. The pathological fear & hatred of Obama has been engineered by Opus Dei
2. Abortion only kills a body; Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of both body AND soul...the perpetrators of which Christ warned of!
3. If you & other 'pious ones' are soooooo concerned about life - then how about the shattered lives of Clerical Abuse Victims? And how about providing unlimited material support to enable women in crisis pregnancy to be able to AFFORD to keep & raise their child?
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 1. Your assertion is an empty statement with no evidence. Most aversion to Obama has been created by the excessive hero worship of Obama fans (including re-writing Christian hymns to praise Obama and giving him the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing. 2. Abortion is murder, pedophilia is horrible and destructive. Both are serious sins. Be consistent. 3. I am concerned about the victims. There are many Catholic groups that gives massive assitance to women in crisis pregnancies.
chrisman737 1 year ago
@chrisman737 1. The pathological fear of Obama has been created & nurtured by elements linked to Opus Dei & the Legion of Xt, Catholic & non. Everything from the anti-Abortion groups to FOXnews, Teabaggers, & Focus on the Family.
2. Catholic Clerical Sex Abuse is the murder of souls; often causing the death of body AND soul. Thus far worse the abortion ever could be, which only kills a body.
3. There is no such thing as 'massive assistance' by the RCC to crisis pregnancy.
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12
I live in what is supposedly a secular state where the catholic church still gets cash from the state coffers (and they protest heavily if there is any attempt to sever or diminish this ILLEGAL cash flow) and still thinks it should have a hand in public life as if the dictatorship they had upheld hadnt ended nearly 4 decades ago.
What I mean to say is: I know the Catholic Church.
If you think changing denominations saves others from commiting the same flaws you are severely naive.
Azotadeth 1 year ago
Once again it is up to secular authorities to deal with religions' mess.
Nexius8 1 year ago
why can't the pope just do the smart thing and excommunicate people like this from the church? oh that's right, there's nothing smart about church :/
creativeinsult 1 year ago 9
this has turned into a channel about child abuse
kizbo 1 year ago
Fuck the church. And fuck religion, period.
dayati 1 year ago 8
Why is it Catholics have such a problem with keeping their packages in their pants?
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Something about recruiting adult males who don't want to procreate, marry, or otherwise have 'biblical' relations with women?
drchaffee 1 year ago
@drchaffee That's their problem. If they don't like it, they don't have to join. Shit, and even if they broke their stupid religious laws having a legit, legal relationship wouldn't be so bad. But's its always some type of abuse towards women or children. These people might just be screwed up in the head.
Savior20061 1 year ago
@Savior20061 Their clerical population attracts a disproportionate number of ("screwed up in the head") deviants precisely because they are looking for people who either find long-term, intimate relations with women to be repulsive; or people who are trying to repress urges they believe to be wrong and sinful. They are like people who become psychologists in order to treat themselves. I believe the church said it doesn't have a problem with gay priests who don't act on it. Bad recipe, huh?
drchaffee 1 year ago 2
The catholic church just needs to let their freaks get their priest on, I mean, let their priests get their freak on with women, then they might leave the kids buttholes alone.
buckfushes 1 year ago
Idk if you all know this but while Bush was president he granted the pope immunity for any crimes he may be related to having involvement in the US
ol1veriscool 1 year ago
apparently the catholic church are starting to attack the belgians now for this - see bbc news. oneof them even compared it to communist rule. yeah, you can go abuse children and of course the goverment shouldn't be allowed to investigate. fucking cunts. no special treatment for religion. its about time
up2trix 1 year ago 3
I wonder when church will modify their SCAM and ask God to help (employ proper experts) detecting potential pedophiles prior they caused any more bad publicity.
futureorreligion 1 year ago
hahaha i love how they say that atheists have evil morals...
WallieTF 1 year ago
@WallieTF Haha the "belief in no god(s)", it's demonic, right man? lmao
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
@KingMacintosh Yeah! it's like they know our secret that we eat babies?! hahaha like they could've figured that out!
WallieTF 1 year ago
@WallieTF Haha! At least we don't bomb abortion clinics.
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
everybody is equal against the law and religion is no exepction
OldWalter 1 year ago
Go belgium, and any part of europe where they dont take this crap.
Muzzleflash219 1 year ago 4
Sick religous nutcases.
superduperjew 1 year ago 3
Kudos Belgium! Now, if only America and other nations can get on board and realize that religious leaders are not above the law, too.
gir908922 1 year ago 9
Go Belgium! You have way better schools than America, you have a much higher irreligion rate and some fucking common sense even, apparently, and you even have the intelligence to do what other conservative, fucked and infested countries like America wouldn't have the balls to do if it threatened America's nuts.
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
@KingMacintosh I'm not from Belgium. I'm American, too. I'm just praising them for letting reason and logic to prevail, instead of religion.
gir908922 1 year ago
@gir908922 Never said you were from Belgium...
KingMacintosh 1 year ago
@KingMacintosh LOL! I thought you assumed I was from Belgium because of my comment.
gir908922 1 year ago
Religion is stupid.
bobster451 1 year ago 9
Bravo Belgium. I wish my government (U.S) had the sack to stand up against these criminal religious figures.
VesusSheist 1 year ago 6
@VesusSheist As another fellow American, I have to agree with you on that.
gir908922 1 year ago
A victory in my book. All be it a small one.
reanimeviewed 1 year ago 2
The more this scandal is investigated world wide, the more John Paul II pops up.
People are going to have to revise their idea that he was a "good Pope."
SubmarinerAndroid 1 year ago 3
So, they decided to start enforcing the laws set in place to protect innocent children?
Gee, I guess we should be happy about this. However, I feel it's a bit belated and too little, too late.
A real victory will be when we get people to stop mentally handicapping and abusing their children with threats of hell fire and all sorts of other abuse. Then we may have something approaching a civilization to speak of.
Till then....
niginit 1 year ago
freakin' finally! let the sweater start unraveling and let the powers that be in the Catholic church tremble with fear
1n354a 1 year ago 2
Hah HAH!
Raids on the Catholic Church? Not only is this well-deserved and potentially helpful in solving the abuse problem, it sends a hell of a message: "You are no longer above the law." :)
1RadicalOne 1 year ago 4
It's about time too, a little more of this type of action wouldn't be a bad thing.
Dakayrus 1 year ago
★★★★★
jihadpizza 1 year ago
My goodness. Is Catholicism a disease? Are they really mentally ill or what? I don't understand that those dumb priests still have a desire to have sex with children. It's so deplorable. I am furious.
bnbalenda 1 year ago 3
@bnbalenda >>Is Catholicism a disease?<<
,,,ummm.... YES, it is...next question....
diceyLee 1 year ago
nou doen ze lekker
Brezable 1 year ago
The Catholic Church was never any good at all. Let's see: Selling indulgences, accusing many innocent woman of witchcraft, burning people at the stake, censoring science, discriminating Jews, and so on. Colombus used Catholicism to justify the killings of many innocent natives. Hitler did the same for Jews. Now it's about kids being used for sexual favors. I don't get why anyone would put their faith in such a cult, having a terrible past.
amorphousguy 1 year ago 5
Poland should be next but almost every politician is in the pocket of the Catholic Church. Police do little to help solve child abuse cases.
Those who are caught and prosecuted get a slap on the wrist at best.
ziggy08xx 1 year ago 2
I love the quote I read about this raid yesterday:
"While Roman church officials talk about stopping abuse, Belgian police officials take action to stop abuse."
assgoblin2damax 1 year ago 8
@assgoblin2damax Were did you read that? I would love the source of that.
hydra100100 1 year ago
@hydra100100 I found it on Yahoo News. If you do a Google search for "Belgium Raid", it's one of the first links.
assgoblin2damax 1 year ago
It looks like Belgium grew some balls for fucking justice. Other countries should follow in their footsteps. These pederasts are reaching the end of the free boy sex buffet. This is justice.
Nigrescence 1 year ago 3
the catholic church is a front for the freemason occultist... fucking perverts need to be executed by law.
whoareyapauldunn 1 year ago
Screw clergy, let them stand trial like everybody else.
chestbuster1987 1 year ago 43
How many children have to suffer before your god does something? hmm?
God is supposedly responsible for all these miracles in life, yet whenever something bad happens, the reason he doesn't stop it is free will.
So it's good enough to grant your prayers, but not to help out a child in need?
Pathetic that anyone still worships such a being.
supertrinko 1 year ago 8
Is the Pope some kind of Pedophile pimp gaylord or something?
HanSDevX 1 year ago 9
"searched his home, finding a alarming number of dildos of all shapes and sizes."
skedaddleMLS 1 year ago 2