Of course your going to deny any of this is true but hey where is your facts? Where did they come from? Plenty more evidence out there that proves conspiracies wrong.
everyone that really wants to look into this... will find that what we have been told about 9/11 is a lie. the 3 towers. wtc 1 wtc 2 and building 7 was all brought down wit a special kind of demolition, reducing most of the buildings and everything in them to very fine dust. everyone who wants justice should keep asking questions. demand a new investigation.
The people and the us government will never say that it was a inside job,because then everyone will know that muslims arent terrorists.And they killed 100thousands of muslims,they killed my brothers and my sisters,and they killed also no muslim civilians,so we have to fight together against this evil,fuck the nwo fuck the illuminati
Even after watching this video several times, I still don't have a clue as to what it's about. Obviously it has nothing to do with 2001-09-11, or the WTC, or Turkey, or demolition. As to what it *is* about, who knows? Who cares? I just push the "off" button on my monitor and listen to to the sound, and it's great. Grade: B (Without the music I'd give it an F, but with *that* sound track, the visuals become irrelevant. Who is the violinist, by the way?) Stars: 4 (Bach rocks.)
Glad you liked the video. I was adopting the position of "9/11 truth debunker" in order to parody it. The Bach music lends it an air of sophistication that is incongruous with the idiotic statements supporting the official story. It seems this technique is too demanding for "SixFootLongPianist" to grasp. Guess I'll have to make another one tailored to his sensibilities in the near future. LOL
Thanks a lot. I love classical music. And it's good to find another Truther on the site. Don't let people like this SixFootLongPianist bother you. He is just another 9/11 "defunker." See, we can have names for them too.
Yeah, he's just a clown. Used some other guy's video at the top of his page, a video some guy posted of himself playing a song by The Who on piano. I guess he thinks he's making us believe he can play the piano to gain some kind of credibility. Just another doofus internet debunker. They're a dime a dozen these days.
The music is not inappropriate, as I intended it to mock the pseudo sophisticated air of a certain type of "9/11 truth" debunker that you see all over the internet in comments sections like this one. Pseudo sophisticates, you know the kind I mean dont ya? The ones like yourself?
"Any form of argument in which the conclusion occurs as one of the premisses, or a chain of arguments in which the final conclusion is a premiss of one of the earlier arguments in the chain. More generally, an argument begs the question when it assumes any controversial point not conceded by the other side."
this is begging the question, another example of your use of logical fallacies ex: 'what other building in history has fallen because of fire'
the argument you are using in this video is "this building acted this way, and this building is abuilding much like the wtc is a building" this is your superficial similarity
"this building did not collapse in the same way that the wtc building collapsed but they are both buildings, therefore whatever assertion that i choose for the reason the wtc building fell is automatically valid"
not only are you using a strawman fallacy, but you are also displaying the fallacy of 'assuming the outcome'
There is an audio chat program I use. The twoofers on that program are getting read to be taken to FEMA camps after they refuse the H1N1 vaccine that is supposed to kill off millions of the population. It's a riot to hear these people.
since you are inept to educate yourself despite my suggestion, i will teach you what a strawman argument is since you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
"To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
this video is using a strawman logical fallacy, in fact. your video is using a building that actually rolled upside down so that the roof is on the ground and the foundation is sticking up into the air, aka 'the strawman building' and because this happened to this building it someone means that the second building got blown up by detonated explosives.
maybe you should actually go look up what the term "strawman" means because now you look like a retard for actually using a "strawman" argument.
You just used a straw man argument when you mentioned 'Invisible demolition squads." Straw man argument if ever there was one. You're fooling no one......dumb ass.
speedystriper, actually you ARE implying that the government sent invisible demolition squads to destroy the WTC because it didn't roll around like a beach ball, that is EXACTLY what this video is implying.
quit misidentifying logical fallacies because you are unable to logically defend your arguments when someone exposes how incredibly retarded YOUR logic is. you clearly have no idea what a "strawman" argument is and you look like a fucking retard for butchering the term.
You are not impressing anyone using these big, sophisticated terms (misidentifying logical fallacies - WOW) that you have neither the education to understand, nor the insight to apply.
You'd be better off limiting your "rebuttals" to your usual third grade schoolboy insults.
ps
Where is that example of a steel framed building that collapsed straight down at near free fall speed due to fire and damage. We are patient, no worry. We'll keep waiting...and waiting...and waiting.......
1) Since no building was near free fall speed, its an invalid premise.
2) McCormick place, in Chicago.
3) Show me every case when a building, same design as the towers and was slammed into by a speeding 767. Every time THAT has happened, the buildings have collapsed.
Show me an example (#3) where the building survivied. We are paient.. dont worry. We'll keep waiting,,,,and waiting...and waiting....
Totally false. WTC 7 fell in less then 7 seconds. NIST even said that it fell at literally free fall speed for the first eight floors. You have zero credibility when you tell lies.
Sure, if you want to count only the last 7 seconds.
But you see the East Penthouse collapse about 15 seconds earlier. Plus, there had to be some failures within the building to precipitate the EPH collapse through the building,
watch?v=6hxheSmeYkc&NR=1
The video the kooks never want you to see. You can even watch though the windows as the EPH smashes down through the building to ground level.
But, in either event, the ENTIRE collapse was 15+ seconds.
What's up with this link you claim shows 7 collapsing in 15 seconds? I googled it in and it took me to some 9/11 debunking page on Digg demanding "truthers" answer 15 questions. I knew you guys arguments were weak, but not to the point where you just have to make things up. LOL.
I should clarify. I *posted* a YT link for some raw video. Thats the addy I used.
And, that "15 questions" website I had seen it before. In fact, it was my inspiration to make a list of my own (adding in those questions, to mine, as well as questions Ive heard others ask).
Oscar had a copy. He offered a calm, rational discussion in PM. But he lied. He is not capable of such. So he ignored the list of questions.
But, anyone ever feel like man-ing up. Lemme know. =]
So you believe the NIST report then? since you quoted them in this comment. BtW wtc 7 didnt not fall at near free fall speeds. Twoofer love to throw around the "free fall fallacy" Building dont free fall numbnuts. I dont care what brings them down.
No people, don't ask EdgemanLL2, he knows nothing but lies and propaganda. It only takes a quick review of the comments to see who's been in here every day since the video was uploaded, descending "into rants, threats, hysterical non-arguements, conjecture, and innuendo, they can't win an arguement, so they call names in a feeble attempt to discredit us, while using character assassination and degrading remarks to make us look bad. Truthers tell the truth, hence the name.
"No people, don't ask EdgemanLL2, he knows nothing but lies and propaganda."
Translation: If you Ask Edge, he will easily destroy the kookspiracies with facts and logic. THEN we kooks would have to face the fact that we were gullible fools for believing the inside job stuff.
so DONT ask Edge, because if you do, our Kookspiracies will collapse at free fall speed. We dont want the truth. We want to make people believe false theories."
If they just paid attention how Bush, Cheney and Larry Silverstien implode the building 1, 2 & 7 at the WTC they would not of had this problem. At leat they did not murder 3000 people.
watch?v=ZT_S1Gs3EI0
If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed. Thomas Jefferson
ROFL ya this video makes perfect sense, wtc 7 didn't roll around like a beach ball for a few seconds after it collapsed therefore it got blown up by super duper ultra sonic nano thermite.
why do people even admit to being dumb enough to believe these theories? throw out scientific process
Classic straw man fallacy. No one said that building 7 should have rolled around like a beach ball, or that it should have toppled over to land upside down like the building in Turkey. If it collapsed due to fire as per the NIST reports final conclusion, then it should not have fallen neatly down into it's own footprint. Only way for that to happen is if many key load bearing columns are taken out in sequence, ie, controlled demolition.
Show me one case in all history where a modern steel framed building collapsed due to fire. I will even give you the benefit of the doubt: Show me one case where a building collapsed due to fire and damage, falling straight down at near free fall speed like it had all or most of it's key load bearing columns taken out like in a controlled demolition. We will be waiting........
"No one said that building 7 should have rolled around like a beach ball,"
Except for the person who posted this vid, since that is his comparison. =].
First, B7 fell across a street, not into a footprint.
second, youre entitled to your guesses, but your quesses arent facts. youre unqualified to state "what should have happened" or "the only way for it to happen."
To all you idiot shills, whom I know will be in here to read this, because you've been in here all day every day since the video was up-loaded, spreading lies and disinformation, to decieve and mislead others. For a day and a half, I"ve offered information thats easily accessable on the internet, but you guys with your big talk about how you research everything, refuse to do the research. Instead you claim it's all lies, call names, and make degrading remarks. Attack me all you want liars.
To Anyone who REALLY wants to know the truth about 9/11, find someone in the comment section who is giving true information in a respectable manner and contact them in a private message. If you leave a comment asking questions, you will more than likely be attacked, and you will definetly be lied to.
dont forget that fire was suffercated under lack of oxygen, so it wasnt hot enough to even weakend the beams. The empire state building had a jet flew into it, cost 1 billion in damage, and no, the tower did NOT go down. FACT.
No, the fires were not going out. I have never seen jet fuel burn outside of an engine with any BUT black smoke. Smoke is not a sign of how hot it is in spite of what some idiots are saying. Take it from a veteran fire fighter. The ESB was hit by a propellor-driven plane less than half the size of a 757 and was buil;t of CONCRETE over a steel frame. It resembled the WTC in no way whatsoever.
Smoke is a tail tell sign...its what every1 forgets about and never realy mentioned in any of these vids. smoke tells you everything that is happening..not everything, but it talks
That comment is the telltale sign of someone who gets their facts from talk radio.
Black smoke can be a fuel rich fire, or an o-starved fire. Doesnt have to be O-starved.
Plus, (tpyical examples ae fires after plane crashes, or burning refineries) even when fires are as open-air as open-air gets, you can have thick, black smoke,.
No disrespect intended, but how in the world would you know that the building was made shoddily because you worked there? What, did it creak like an old wooden house when you walked across the floor?
Lots of little things like it seemed doors were hung in the wrong place. Also if you look at wikipedia they foundation was for a smaller building, and they kluged togther one for a larger building. You will also note that the original WTC buildings lacked all fire suppression, and the retro fit brought it up to the standards of a much smaller building. The buildings were so shoddy they could not have been built by anyone except the government.
geo is correct. There were even criticisms when Rudy move the "bunker" into B7 due to the questionable nature of the building being too big for its foundation, pluys having to cantilever around a con-ed substation.
every time i look at that shit...every time i just think wow...man these fuckers killed all of those people just to get more control...pretty evil people on this earth...pretty evil
Your entire conspiracy is propaganda. The fires went above 1,000 degrees in some areas. Stop repeating what others say and do your own research. There is no proof of your conspiracy. That is a fact.
Unlike WTC7, this building had a huge HORIZONTAL notch taken out of the side toward which it collapsed. I hardly see how it could have gone in any other direction.
Well said marcoddy. Those like WAQ and Edgehead are Toady's. They have turned away from the truth even when murder has happened. They are sick inside. We respect life and want to get to the bottom of this crime to apprehend the murderers. They care less for life and are indifferent to the crime consuming the b.s. official explanation.: a Toady at best, a murderous agent with badge at worst.
The CIA created AlQuaeda - it means DATABASE in arabic...they created it origionally to group together mercinaries drug runners, gun runners etc that they could USE.
The fact that you believe that AlQuaeda is an evil organisation created by the arabs to destroy us REALLY shows the depth of your lies/dellusion.
cont--also, its the grossly uneducated in world affairs who mistake the Mijahadeen for Alqaeda.
Alqaeda evolved out of MAK, which was created by OBL and Abdullah Azzam in the mid 80s. MAK recruited and fundraised for the Mujahadeen. CIA supported the Mujahadeen also. But the Mujahadeen is not Alqaeda. MAK became ALQaeda.
hilarious, another twoofer who doesn't know the difference between a steel building and a concrete one!
to think the "perps" would let the prerigged building burn for 7 hours before they blew it up or even better, they sent men into a burning building to rig the explosives is hell funny!
you cts are too stupid to see how stupid you really are !!!
The "perps", as you call them, let the fires burn for 7 hours so they could use the fire as reasoning for the colapse. The video links you supplied were about bldg. 5, an I beam structure (no core collumns), dropping tons of debris from a 110 story building on to a smaller building, that wasn't meant to support that kind of weight, will bend and twist I beams even without fire. This structure doesn't even compare with the core collumn structures of buildings 1,2, and 7.
I watched and LMFAO. Anyone with eyes can see that the building extends out about another 20 feet in that area, and what your looking at is the shadow on the side of that section of the building. Both edges of the "gash"lol, (shadow) are straight and uniform, all the way up the side of the building, no jagged edges. I'm disapointed, it took almost 3 years for someone to show me proof, and you show me a shadow.
Why bother to show you anything. You seem to stupid to understand why water runs downhill.
The red and gray chips found in the WTC dust ignite at, I think it is around 400 degrees C. They also produce molten Iron spheres of exactly the same elemental signature that Thermite does. This has been demonstrated by Jones, et al. Do you think this is nothing? Are you really that clueless?
Thanks. Who knows? Maybe WAQ and his cohorts are onto something and 7 came down because of fire. I was only trying to inject a little levity into the subject by showing The Three Stooges in the clip, but maybe they were the guys who designed Building 7 after all. Designing a 47 story tall high rise filled with thousands of people that comes crashing down vertically due to pockets of fire sounds like something the Stooges would do! LOL
Seen that before. We all know that there was some damage to one of the corners of Building 7. NIST (National Institute for Standards and Technology) claimed in their final report put out last August that the building collapsed solely due to fire, not fire and damage caused by falling debris.
There is no way in hell that the building fell from fire to begin with, and it would have toppled TOWARDS the area of damage had that been the cause
That's right folks, footage of successful building demolitions are PROOF that 9-11 was an inside job. And footage of FAILED building demolitions are ALSO PROOF that 9-11 was an inside job!
No matter what you show the 9-11 truthers, it's always proof! Ta-da!
This is a most illustrative example of the kinds of errors in thinking you guys make. Videos of both successful and failed demolitions make the point for inside job. The Turkey demo shows what happens when the explosives don't go off - the building topples over. I guess this is too hard for you to get.
There are witnesses who said they heard explosives. How many videos have you seen of Building 7 coming down that have sound? Or the Twin Towers for that matter?
You cant have it both ways. You cant say "It looks just like a CD, so it must be one. But it doesnt look like a CD, so it must be one."
Why dont you take your own advice and look at the Peer-reviewed Paper. Specifically at page 25 (moron) where is says "We make no attempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present
until more is learned about the red material and especially about the nature of the organic material it contains."
"We make no attempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present"
Exactly how stupid do you wish to appear in a public forum?
They don't know which TYPE of nanothermite... but no matter what TYPE of nanothermite, it's still nanothermite.
Time for some english lessons moron. If I said... "Chocolate has been found, but we are not 100% sure what TYPE" does this mean I'm saying that no chocolate was found?
MarQaeda, Exactly how stupid and illiterate and unable to read at a 5th grade level do you want to appear in a public forum?
They didnt say they didnt "know which type." They said they didnt even ATTEMPT to match it.
Time for some Logic lessons, Moron. If your neighbor is murdered, and the cops find fingerprints, they dont say "MarQaeda killed his neighbor. We didnt even ATTEMPT to match the fingerprints to him. But we are sure anyway!"
It doesn't MATTER that they didn't attempt to match the TYPE of nanothermite.
The fact still remains that it is NANOTHERMITE... regardless of what TYPE.
Please review the comment I made earlier and actually UNDERSTAND it...
If chocolate is found, and it is beyond doubt that it is chocolate... would it matter if someone said "We never even ATTEMPTED to match what typeof chocolate it was"?
Would that mean it wasn't chocolate?
Seriously dude, you're making yourself look REALLY stupid
Seriously, who do you think these guys are? They post on these YouTube comments sections like their lives depended on it. They repeat the same talking points ad infinitum like they took a class on debunking and had to memorize them from a manual. Of course it is impossible to prove but it does seem like they are doing it as a job. I shouldn't say this as I can't prove it, but that is just the impression that they give me. Or maybe they are just obsessed government worshipers.
1) LOLOL. So NOW you say "8 floors of free fall" instead of "the whole building? HAHAHA.
Achmed. there was 7 or 8 floor open atrium at the bottom. When that part of the building fails, THAT would free fall for 8 stories. Duh.
No nanothermite found. (ref page 25)
Molten materials is common for large building fires (refiery fires last summer in TX and GA) Even in building 6 and 5 they found molten materials. NOT hard to understand.
KK, dude, I bet the U.S. government pays you to spread propaganda on 9/11 videos and label truthers as haters, right wing extreemists, and potential terrorist threats. The only threat we recognize, is the threat of uneducated people who don't know whats really going on, trusting ignorant people like you, who are blindly following the government. Open your eyes, and see where your following has lead you.
Yeah, you would probably get a kick out of torturing people wouldn't you? Real great patriot you are. Our great country needs more like you. Fascist asshat.
And why do you think we belong in prison? Because we use our freedom of speach against a corrupt government? Thats called decent, and our forefathers condoned, and even encouraged it's use. Or is it because you know were right, and you're tired of having to make false claims that you've debunked something when you and I both know you didn't? But then, I guess you're looking at the fact that it's easier to just get your opponents out of the way, so you don't have to loose any more debates.
I agree. The slimy bastards that troll around EVERY truth video, marking them down & writing the SAME comments all over.... their job is to create conflict & tar people with the 'nutter' brush.
People are waking up to it though. Videos like 'this is an orange' and sheer numbers are breaing past that initial fear of admitting 'I believe it was an inside job'.
To the people who are shilling, either in direct employment or by proxy... divine justice will be upon you all. Know that.
Also, Thermite isnt an explosive, its an incindiary. That alone disqualifies Harrit et al, since there is no such thing as unexploded thermite (ie, not an explosive) the entire premise is fantasy.
Further, because its not an explosive, its impossible to time it closely enough. Cant be used for a CD.
Anyone who calls nano-thermite an explosive, OR pretends it can be timed usably in a CD is more of a moron than I thought. =]
Ok, so go tell the experts at Laurence Livermore that explain in great detail that Nanothermite can be used as an explosive that they are ALL morons...
Because 'EdgemanLL2' on youtube says that "ANYONE WHO CALLS NANOTHERMITE AN EXPLOSIVE IS A MORON"
"Hi can I speak to an expert in nanotechnology please"
"Hi how can I help you"?
"yeah this is EdgemanLL2 from youtube.I'm calling to tell you that all of your state-of-the-art research on nanothermite is wrong. You are incorrect. Nanothermite cannot be used as an explosive"
"Ok thanks for that, we'll be sure to shut down our research into it. Thanks EdgemanLL2"
Simple fact, NO type of thermite can cut a column the size of the ones on a sky scraper horizontally. it is impossible and i challenge you to prove it is.
Lie-1. Then entire govt iself spends about 2.5 Trillion. Accounting for entitlement spending and known DOD spending, there isnt anything close to ONE trillion left over--much less "trillions
lie-2 Thats not a hollow, 14 inch box col. The thermite burns at the tip of the device. The rebar is cut by virtue of being next to it.
lie-3. They admit they didnt match it to any thermite. Case closed.
4) they CAN be cut horizontally in the clean up. Duh.
cont...in this video we see the guys, doing the clean up, point right to the angle cuts and say "weve been making those cuts."
watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=channel_page
and in this video, we see the kooks build a sign, and then try to use thermite to cut the cols. The couldnt get it to work (because its impossible to make thermite cut through 14 inches horizontally) so thet pathetically just burned a pile of thermite beneath the sign LOL
The fact that Wedgeman and his cohorts spend so much time debunking these YouTube videos speaks volumes. This is not the only one they focus on by a long shot. How do these guys have so much time to do this? Why do they do it? Do you guys have jobs? Is this your job?
Why don't you reply to marcoddy's facts that he presented. Because all I see you doing is running your mouth about how you're so much smarter than a truther, but all you're doing is trying to discredit peoples information by calling them names and assasinating their character, and claiming their facts are lies, and hoping that you're convincing uneducated people not to do the research.
"You made 2 claims just now. I nuked those." By "nuked", you must mean ignored, because I didn't see you laying down any facts to prove his claims are baseless. Since you insist that you're smarter than a truther, it should be no problem for you to debunk his claims.
"reality is irrelevant". Thats your life story, because you live in a world where reality is irrelevant. I want to know how you think you "nuked" marcoddy's claims without uttering a word. You did nothing of the kind, and I want to hear the inteligent answers you have for him.
Keep telling your lies word twister, I never said anything of the kind. You twist peoples words to make them sound stupid, but anyone who looks through some of the comments can plainly see that I never said that. And that the only reason you're doing this is because you don't have any facts to back you up, so you can't win this debate/argument honestly or fairly.
I haven't changed your words and everything i've posted is based on facts. You can't tefute them so you resort to personal attacks and other nonsense.
Oh, you twisted my words alright. and I've refuted your so called facts several times. If you've already forgotten, maybe you should go back and re-read some of my previous comments, instead of just cherry-picking things to attack me on. As far as personal attacks, once again, go back and re-read YOUR comments, filled with name calling, character assasination, degrading remarks, and other nonsense. Since you can't play nice, don't reply to me again.
You haven't refuted anything. You believe a conspiracy theory is fact. Your opinion doesnt make it fact. I didnt personally attack you. You just make stuff up as you go. IThe reson you dont want me to reply is becasue youve been refuted.
A cospiracy theory is a conspiracy theory, but when enough fact are dragged out of the dark and into the light theory becomes truth. It's not my opinion, it a fact. "I didn't presonaly attack you." A quick review of your comments reveals that this statement is a lie.
A typical shill response, calling names before twisting truth doesn't discredit anyone but yourself. Thermite isn't an explosive, but it takes 3000 degree temperatures to ignite it, thats where the explosives come in. Thermite is mixed C4,(plastic explosives) which is used to make the shape charge, and when detonated, generates enough heat to ignite the thermite, which cuts through steel like a hot knife through butter. With the C4, it CAN be timed to go off simultaniously or in a sequence.
I have asked you 4 times now to explain 2 very basic problems with your claim that "the nanothermite found in the dust is NOT nanothermite... it's paint"
1, The paint you claim it to be contains as a PRIMARY ingredient - Zinc. The red/grey chips contain NO zinc... how?
2, The red/grey chips did not dissolve in a paint stripping solution/
Everyone reading this (and it is for them I do this, not you) understands that your LACK of answers in these areas means only one thing.
marcody, you idiot, the paint on the columns contained zinc chromate. You are, thus, by pointing it out as evidence of thermite, proving, instead, that you are a drooling idiot.
fact 1. you have no evidence of how much money the US uses on nano thermite. So if you have evidence then provide the source, otherwise dont waste your time.
Fact 2. That link did not work, but if its that stupid video of something cutting a 1 inch think pipe then your an idiot, we are talking about massive core columns.
Fact 3. Steven Jones is not an expert unless your talking about physics, not building collapse forensics.
Fact 4. Nothing Cut the columns, expect the welders.
I called you a shill, because you act like a shill, you spend all day on the same video trying to discredit peoples information with the governments whitewashed version of events, while calling them names and attempting to assasinate their character with degrading remarks. And you think you're smarter than me? LOL. There are other catalysts used to ignite thermite, C4 was used as a catalyst and a shape charge, not to "burn things" or "explode". The examples on YT all use a catalyst for ignition.
:I called you a shill, because you act like a shill,"
meaning "edge is smarter than me. Call him a shill so I wont have to deal with the fact that everyday normal people can so easily pick apart the kookspiracies"
Actualy, it means exactly the opposite, edge doesn't have a mind of his own, and can't research information and draw his own conclusions, so he espouses the governments version of events and insisting, if it's not in the governments version, it's a lie. And you spend a lot of time calling names and degrading people for asking simple questions, because you don't want those"everyday normal people" to learn the truth. I think you started something you can't finish.
Understand this, I'm "projecting" nothing but truth. Anyone who can think for themselves, and do research KNOWS
1) the Descovery channel has a documentary on controled demo., that explains the use of thermite to bring down steel core structures. And it can be timed.
2&3) For several months prior to 9/11, at night and on the weekends, work crews "re-cableing"and "re-insulating" beams and columns in buildings 1,2, and 7. They had access to the core columns long enough to plant explosives.
There is no proof thermite was used on 9-11.btw find me a controlled demoliton that leaves molten stell afterwards LOL This is another theory form conspiratards
Check out the videos of the cleanup operations after 9/11, the cranes were pulling peices of beams out of the rubble, with molten steel still dripping off them. Nice name calling dude, but we all know that you don't personaly attack people.
A crane operator using a crane with molten steel is too dangerous, and a risk to his life. I assure you none of them men were going to risk thier lives in a clean-up operation. A conspiracy theory is based on specualtion and assumption. It doesn't matter how much specualtion you have it will never equal a fact.
Yeah, put a little twist on it. I SAID molten steel dripping off the ends, you know, where the thermite was still active. And a lot of people risk their lives in clean-up operations every day, risk is part of the job. A good conspiracy theorist doesn't make assumptions, and there is only speculation untill the facts have been uncovered, and in 9/11 truth, there is more fact than speculation.
What facts? What proof is there the usa attcked itself on 9-11? Thermite isn't active after it's burned with an igniton source. No clea-up crew rsiks their lives messing with molten steel. People risk thier lives to save others but not cleaning up collapsed buildings. No man in his right mind messes with any 3,000 degree molten substance.
We offer facts and proof just so you can call it lies without even looking at it. Yuo guys say you do all of this research, but yet you won't review any of the information we give you, you're too busy calling names and trying to discredit us with lies that can only be backed up by your shill friends who help you attack us. Heres some advice, why don't you find a dark corner, and go debunk yourself.
Too be more accurate, I would say that it was molten iron, which is the by-product of Thermite after it is reacted. Molten Iron is what you see pouring out of the south tower 5 minutes before it came down, and that is most definitely what the orange pools under the rubble consisted of. Jones and his team ignited some of the chips and guess what: they created tiny spheres of molten Iron with the exact elemental signature of Iron spheres created by Thermite. Paint chips my ass.
Finally, a reply from someone who's not here to attack me with lies. But you know, to a moron like me, iron and steel are the same thing, because us twoofers don't know nuffin'. LOL. We get good information from college professors like Steven Jones, while the dumbunkers get their information from the government paid stooges...I'm sorry, I meant students...really, I did.
As the only person here who has woirked with thermite, actually giving classes on its use in arson, I can say with one hundred percent confidence that there was no evidence of thermite, and that it would not have been active after two minutes, MAXIMUM. Jones ios losing his marbles. Only the Nazi piece of crap Bollyn asserted that there were pools of molten steel, and he is a damned liar. That's what Nazis do.
LOL, youre projecting nothing but the script from a bad Steven Segall movie. Youre projecting wahat you want to be true. not the truth.
1) Great. Hook me up. Let me see the Disc channel using thermite to demo 110 story buildings with expertly times precision
2+3) you simply repeated your claim. You didnt refute anything.
Prev record CD was a building 1/3rd the size of ONE tower. That took 4 months round the clock, without hiding. No way youre going to wire the towers on a few weekends
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megamogx 4 months ago
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse, 08 21 08 . NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Sequence, 08 21 083 .
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse, 08 21 084
NIST WTC 7 Investigation Finds Building Fires Caused Collapse, 08 21 082
Of course your going to deny any of this is true but hey where is your facts? Where did they come from? Plenty more evidence out there that proves conspiracies wrong.
LAGunBroker 9 months ago
turkish buldings? xd
XxTurkeyForLifexX 1 year ago
Wow, what BS. Comparing a concrete sheathed, compact building of low height to a high rise steel structure.
Yeah, some people are indeed illiterate idiots.
palasta 1 year ago
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@palasta, "Wow, what BS. Comparing a concrete sheathed, compact building of low height to a high rise steel structure.
Yeah, some people are indeed illiterate idiots."
my response: Yeah the steel structured WTC7 fell faster and neater than this concrete sheathed structure. Guess steel is weaker than concrete huh?
sjvietboy408 1 year ago
It was the awesome heat expansion officially.
Please remind me not to go into a tall building on a hot day or it might suddenly just collapse at free fall speed.
zenoist2 1 year ago
everyone that really wants to look into this... will find that what we have been told about 9/11 is a lie. the 3 towers. wtc 1 wtc 2 and building 7 was all brought down wit a special kind of demolition, reducing most of the buildings and everything in them to very fine dust. everyone who wants justice should keep asking questions. demand a new investigation.
hostesaft83 1 year ago
@hostesaft83 : Who should do that new investigation ?
kolkrabe19 1 year ago
Nice little film. Only the terminally dumb will fail to get the irony here.
newangle1 1 year ago
Building seven was "engulfed" in flames!?!?
Does the maker of this stupid video even know what "engulfed" means?
Draysanman 2 years ago
"engulfed" is only a word, not a measurement. Evidence shows relatively small fires on WTC7.
charlesfloyb 1 year ago
@Draysanman He was pointing out the fact that they said it was engulfed, not that it really was. You ever hear of irony?
Ihategod75 1 year ago
Since the demolition in Turkey failed, 9/11 was an inside job? This makes no sense.
RanchVatos 2 years ago
The people and the us government will never say that it was a inside job,because then everyone will know that muslims arent terrorists.And they killed 100thousands of muslims,they killed my brothers and my sisters,and they killed also no muslim civilians,so we have to fight together against this evil,fuck the nwo fuck the illuminati
we K1lluminati
Autosmein 2 years ago
Even after watching this video several times, I still don't have a clue as to what it's about. Obviously it has nothing to do with 2001-09-11, or the WTC, or Turkey, or demolition. As to what it *is* about, who knows? Who cares? I just push the "off" button on my monitor and listen to to the sound, and it's great. Grade: B (Without the music I'd give it an F, but with *that* sound track, the visuals become irrelevant. Who is the violinist, by the way?) Stars: 4 (Bach rocks.)
lonewolfintj 2 years ago
Hey, good video. Can you tell me the name of this music? Thanks.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
It's Bach's Violin Concerto in E, third movement.
Glad you liked the video. I was adopting the position of "9/11 truth debunker" in order to parody it. The Bach music lends it an air of sophistication that is incongruous with the idiotic statements supporting the official story. It seems this technique is too demanding for "SixFootLongPianist" to grasp. Guess I'll have to make another one tailored to his sensibilities in the near future. LOL
speedystriper 2 years ago
Thanks a lot. I love classical music. And it's good to find another Truther on the site. Don't let people like this SixFootLongPianist bother you. He is just another 9/11 "defunker." See, we can have names for them too.
citizenfor911truth1 2 years ago
Yeah, he's just a clown. Used some other guy's video at the top of his page, a video some guy posted of himself playing a song by The Who on piano. I guess he thinks he's making us believe he can play the piano to gain some kind of credibility. Just another doofus internet debunker. They're a dime a dozen these days.
speedystriper 2 years ago
shouldn't you do it with the debunkers believing in science, and truthers worshiping bigfoot and UFOs
taledarkside 2 years ago
Music is entirely inappropriate. I can't even tell what your view is on this ("troofer"?), but you seem like a total sicko.
SixFootLongPianist 2 years ago
The music is not inappropriate, as I intended it to mock the pseudo sophisticated air of a certain type of "9/11 truth" debunker that you see all over the internet in comments sections like this one. Pseudo sophisticates, you know the kind I mean dont ya? The ones like yourself?
speedystriper 2 years ago
Truthers want WTC7 to free fall?
Try putting WTC7 into space, no resistence and total free fall.
Fucking lunatics!
WhyAskQuestions 2 years ago
well built thats for sure,they should of left it were it was
Howsurtitslove 2 years ago
"Any form of argument in which the conclusion occurs as one of the premisses, or a chain of arguments in which the final conclusion is a premiss of one of the earlier arguments in the chain. More generally, an argument begs the question when it assumes any controversial point not conceded by the other side."
this is begging the question, another example of your use of logical fallacies ex: 'what other building in history has fallen because of fire'
keep the fallacious arguments coming idiot.
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
Good job refuting this video. I couldn't have done it better myself. I always notice after they are debunked the personal attacks come.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
the argument you are using in this video is "this building acted this way, and this building is abuilding much like the wtc is a building" this is your superficial similarity
"this building did not collapse in the same way that the wtc building collapsed but they are both buildings, therefore whatever assertion that i choose for the reason the wtc building fell is automatically valid"
not only are you using a strawman fallacy, but you are also displaying the fallacy of 'assuming the outcome'
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
There is an audio chat program I use. The twoofers on that program are getting read to be taken to FEMA camps after they refuse the H1N1 vaccine that is supposed to kill off millions of the population. It's a riot to hear these people.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
no actually, i didn't use a strawman argument.
since you are inept to educate yourself despite my suggestion, i will teach you what a strawman argument is since you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
"To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position"
i feel like i'm teaching kindergarten...
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
this video is using a strawman logical fallacy, in fact. your video is using a building that actually rolled upside down so that the roof is on the ground and the foundation is sticking up into the air, aka 'the strawman building' and because this happened to this building it someone means that the second building got blown up by detonated explosives.
maybe you should actually go look up what the term "strawman" means because now you look like a retard for actually using a "strawman" argument.
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
You just used a straw man argument when you mentioned 'Invisible demolition squads." Straw man argument if ever there was one. You're fooling no one......dumb ass.
speedystriper 2 years ago
First of all WTC 7 was built in a unique way. I bet you didn't bother to research that. Oh wait...time for some more investigoogling.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
speedystriper, actually you ARE implying that the government sent invisible demolition squads to destroy the WTC because it didn't roll around like a beach ball, that is EXACTLY what this video is implying.
quit misidentifying logical fallacies because you are unable to logically defend your arguments when someone exposes how incredibly retarded YOUR logic is. you clearly have no idea what a "strawman" argument is and you look like a fucking retard for butchering the term.
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
You are not impressing anyone using these big, sophisticated terms (misidentifying logical fallacies - WOW) that you have neither the education to understand, nor the insight to apply.
You'd be better off limiting your "rebuttals" to your usual third grade schoolboy insults.
ps
Where is that example of a steel framed building that collapsed straight down at near free fall speed due to fire and damage. We are patient, no worry. We'll keep waiting...and waiting...and waiting.......
speedystriper 2 years ago
Already been answered.
1) Since no building was near free fall speed, its an invalid premise.
2) McCormick place, in Chicago.
3) Show me every case when a building, same design as the towers and was slammed into by a speeding 767. Every time THAT has happened, the buildings have collapsed.
Show me an example (#3) where the building survivied. We are paient.. dont worry. We'll keep waiting,,,,and waiting...and waiting....
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
"..no building was near free fall speed."
Totally false. WTC 7 fell in less then 7 seconds. NIST even said that it fell at literally free fall speed for the first eight floors. You have zero credibility when you tell lies.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Sure, if you want to count only the last 7 seconds.
But you see the East Penthouse collapse about 15 seconds earlier. Plus, there had to be some failures within the building to precipitate the EPH collapse through the building,
watch?v=6hxheSmeYkc&NR=1
The video the kooks never want you to see. You can even watch though the windows as the EPH smashes down through the building to ground level.
But, in either event, the ENTIRE collapse was 15+ seconds.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
What's up with this link you claim shows 7 collapsing in 15 seconds? I googled it in and it took me to some 9/11 debunking page on Digg demanding "truthers" answer 15 questions. I knew you guys arguments were weak, but not to the point where you just have to make things up. LOL.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Not sure what you mean about googling the link. I just posed some raw video of the collapse.
Clearly. as proved earlier, the collapse was over 15 seconds.
Chanding the subject to "Digg" or somone demanding "answers to questions" wont change that fact.
Swing and a miss
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
I should clarify. I *posted* a YT link for some raw video. Thats the addy I used.
And, that "15 questions" website I had seen it before. In fact, it was my inspiration to make a list of my own (adding in those questions, to mine, as well as questions Ive heard others ask).
Oscar had a copy. He offered a calm, rational discussion in PM. But he lied. He is not capable of such. So he ignored the list of questions.
But, anyone ever feel like man-ing up. Lemme know. =]
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
So you believe the NIST report then? since you quoted them in this comment. BtW wtc 7 didnt not fall at near free fall speeds. Twoofer love to throw around the "free fall fallacy" Building dont free fall numbnuts. I dont care what brings them down.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
umm whoops
LOADING101011 2 years ago
I'm starting to wonder which has a higher I.Q.. Edgeman or the common house fly? Judging from Edge's comments, my money is on the latter...
gorlockk 2 years ago
Don't be too hard on Wedgeman. He is definitely smarter than a common house fly.
speedystriper 2 years ago
LOL yeah. and te common house fly is apparently more than smart enough to deunk the kookspiratards.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
No people, don't ask EdgemanLL2, he knows nothing but lies and propaganda. It only takes a quick review of the comments to see who's been in here every day since the video was uploaded, descending "into rants, threats, hysterical non-arguements, conjecture, and innuendo, they can't win an arguement, so they call names in a feeble attempt to discredit us, while using character assassination and degrading remarks to make us look bad. Truthers tell the truth, hence the name.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
"No people, don't ask EdgemanLL2, he knows nothing but lies and propaganda."
Translation: If you Ask Edge, he will easily destroy the kookspiracies with facts and logic. THEN we kooks would have to face the fact that we were gullible fools for believing the inside job stuff.
so DONT ask Edge, because if you do, our Kookspiracies will collapse at free fall speed. We dont want the truth. We want to make people believe false theories."
Understood.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
So, come on now Oscar. I called your bluff. I sent you the PM asking some very simple questions for you to clairfy for me.
Did you puss out? Did you LIE about being able to have the conversation in PM's?
Was Edge right all along? Looks like it!
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
If they just paid attention how Bush, Cheney and Larry Silverstien implode the building 1, 2 & 7 at the WTC they would not of had this problem. At leat they did not murder 3000 people.
watch?v=ZT_S1Gs3EI0
If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed. Thomas Jefferson
MyImago 2 years ago
ROFL ya this video makes perfect sense, wtc 7 didn't roll around like a beach ball for a few seconds after it collapsed therefore it got blown up by super duper ultra sonic nano thermite.
why do people even admit to being dumb enough to believe these theories? throw out scientific process
"wtc7 isn't a beachball. inside job."
cool theory, bro.
AssaultKalashnikov 2 years ago
Classic straw man fallacy. No one said that building 7 should have rolled around like a beach ball, or that it should have toppled over to land upside down like the building in Turkey. If it collapsed due to fire as per the NIST reports final conclusion, then it should not have fallen neatly down into it's own footprint. Only way for that to happen is if many key load bearing columns are taken out in sequence, ie, controlled demolition.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Show me one case in all history where a modern steel framed building collapsed due to fire. I will even give you the benefit of the doubt: Show me one case where a building collapsed due to fire and damage, falling straight down at near free fall speed like it had all or most of it's key load bearing columns taken out like in a controlled demolition. We will be waiting........
speedystriper 2 years ago
""Show me one case in all history where a modern steel framed building collapsed due to fire. ""
McCormick place, Chicago.
"Show me one case where a building collapsed from fire and damage,,,,"
Sure. Show me a 110 story building designed like the towers that was slammed into by speeding 767's.
Every time in history that has happened, the buildings collapsed.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
"No one said that building 7 should have rolled around like a beach ball,"
Except for the person who posted this vid, since that is his comparison. =].
First, B7 fell across a street, not into a footprint.
second, youre entitled to your guesses, but your quesses arent facts. youre unqualified to state "what should have happened" or "the only way for it to happen."
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
To all you idiot shills, whom I know will be in here to read this, because you've been in here all day every day since the video was up-loaded, spreading lies and disinformation, to decieve and mislead others. For a day and a half, I"ve offered information thats easily accessable on the internet, but you guys with your big talk about how you research everything, refuse to do the research. Instead you claim it's all lies, call names, and make degrading remarks. Attack me all you want liars.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Oscar,keep talking, someday you'll say something intelligent.
01psd 2 years ago
01psd, you might as well stop talking, because the day will never come, that you say something intelligent.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Oscar, If I would like to hear from an asshole, Id fart!
01psd 2 years ago
To Anyone who REALLY wants to know the truth about 9/11, find someone in the comment section who is giving true information in a respectable manner and contact them in a private message. If you leave a comment asking questions, you will more than likely be attacked, and you will definetly be lied to.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
"To Anyone who REALLY wants to know the truth about 9/11..."
Ask Edge. He knows. =].
Frankly, Ive take ur apporach countless times. Twoofers always descend into rants, threats, hystritcal non-arguments, conujecture, and innuendo.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
dont forget that fire was suffercated under lack of oxygen, so it wasnt hot enough to even weakend the beams. The empire state building had a jet flew into it, cost 1 billion in damage, and no, the tower did NOT go down. FACT.
jaheira2016 2 years ago
No, the fires were not going out. I have never seen jet fuel burn outside of an engine with any BUT black smoke. Smoke is not a sign of how hot it is in spite of what some idiots are saying. Take it from a veteran fire fighter. The ESB was hit by a propellor-driven plane less than half the size of a 757 and was buil;t of CONCRETE over a steel frame. It resembled the WTC in no way whatsoever.
leftysergeant 2 years ago
Smoke is a tail tell sign...its what every1 forgets about and never realy mentioned in any of these vids. smoke tells you everything that is happening..not everything, but it talks
jaheira2016 2 years ago
"smoke is a telltaile sign"
That comment is the telltale sign of someone who gets their facts from talk radio.
Black smoke can be a fuel rich fire, or an o-starved fire. Doesnt have to be O-starved.
Plus, (tpyical examples ae fires after plane crashes, or burning refineries) even when fires are as open-air as open-air gets, you can have thick, black smoke,.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
I used to work in 7 wtc, shoddy construction and poor design also contributed imo.
geo8rge 2 years ago
No disrespect intended, but how in the world would you know that the building was made shoddily because you worked there? What, did it creak like an old wooden house when you walked across the floor?
speedystriper 2 years ago
Lots of little things like it seemed doors were hung in the wrong place. Also if you look at wikipedia they foundation was for a smaller building, and they kluged togther one for a larger building. You will also note that the original WTC buildings lacked all fire suppression, and the retro fit brought it up to the standards of a much smaller building. The buildings were so shoddy they could not have been built by anyone except the government.
geo8rge 2 years ago
geo is correct. There were even criticisms when Rudy move the "bunker" into B7 due to the questionable nature of the building being too big for its foundation, pluys having to cantilever around a con-ed substation.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
every time i look at that shit...every time i just think wow...man these fuckers killed all of those people just to get more control...pretty evil people on this earth...pretty evil
shenmueryu 2 years ago
Your entire conspiracy is propaganda. The fires went above 1,000 degrees in some areas. Stop repeating what others say and do your own research. There is no proof of your conspiracy. That is a fact.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
Marcoddy doesn't even know WTF the word "Shill" really means in the dictionary.
Let's see who does the most shilling shall we?
Dylan Avery shills his "Loose Change" videos at a price of $17.00.
Alex Jones shills his radio show everyday. He also shills out merchandise.
Truthers on YouTube shill out their videos by telling people to go to this video, watch that video, go to this website, read this book.
So who the fuck are the shills themselves?
WhyAskQuestions 2 years ago
Unlike WTC7, this building had a huge HORIZONTAL notch taken out of the side toward which it collapsed. I hardly see how it could have gone in any other direction.
It is, thus, utterly irrelevant to WTC7.
leftysergeant 2 years ago
A huge horizontal notch blah, blah blah. Complete lie. It's over for you guys.
speedystriper 2 years ago
you're an idiot
FreakeThings 2 years ago
You'd have to be border line retarded to even think that the twin towers and wtc 7 collapsed due to fire. God you americans are stupid!
squishyman2001 2 years ago
What a bunch of DumbAss Truthers there are on here...lol
Eight years and many investigations later, they are still preaching 911 inside job propaganda and not able to connect the Dots....
marksman500 2 years ago
01psd - How would you treat me?
MaximusDaddicus 2 years ago
Maximus, It would depend on what we wanted to know.
01psd 2 years ago
KK - Thanx for showing your colors and proving my point of view. Thank you again!
MaximusDaddicus 2 years ago
Well said marcoddy. Those like WAQ and Edgehead are Toady's. They have turned away from the truth even when murder has happened. They are sick inside. We respect life and want to get to the bottom of this crime to apprehend the murderers. They care less for life and are indifferent to the crime consuming the b.s. official explanation.: a Toady at best, a murderous agent with badge at worst.
MaximusDaddicus 2 years ago
If you respect life so much, why are you lying and shilling for Alqaeda by pretending they didnt do it?
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
How DARE you use the word shill...
Listen, go and read a BOOK.
The CIA created AlQuaeda - it means DATABASE in arabic...they created it origionally to group together mercinaries drug runners, gun runners etc that they could USE.
The fact that you believe that AlQuaeda is an evil organisation created by the arabs to destroy us REALLY shows the depth of your lies/dellusion.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Damn, MarQaeda, you must LIVE online, desperate to keep shilling for your Alqaeda masters!
Sorry, there are dozens of online translators, Alqaeda means "Base." But then again, since Arabic is your native language, you know that already.
CIA referred to the Mujahadeen as "alqaeda." And kept a database on them. But that doesnt mean "alqaeda means database"
Just because Robin Kook said so, doesnt make it true.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
cont--also, its the grossly uneducated in world affairs who mistake the Mijahadeen for Alqaeda.
Alqaeda evolved out of MAK, which was created by OBL and Abdullah Azzam in the mid 80s. MAK recruited and fundraised for the Mujahadeen. CIA supported the Mujahadeen also. But the Mujahadeen is not Alqaeda. MAK became ALQaeda.
History lesson #1 for you. Youre welcome.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
You relate this to WTC7?
Wow, are you fucking retarded?
NRen2k5 2 years ago
911truthinator
Show us one picture or video of WTC7 being on fire WHEN it collapsed and we'll think you less of an idiot.
However, you won't provide this... and you ARE an idiot.
marcoddy 2 years ago
watch my 'wtc7 new footage' video.
911TRUTHINATOR 2 years ago
steel fails quicker then wood.
watch?v=cESnH1xtenY
911TRUTHINATOR 2 years ago
"Know that, Know it deep inside you."
Don't worry, he knows. He knows it deep inside.
speedystriper 2 years ago
god damn it more evidence!
watch?v=eWpOfUMz6SE
911TRUTHINATOR 2 years ago
hilarious, another twoofer who doesn't know the difference between a steel building and a concrete one!
to think the "perps" would let the prerigged building burn for 7 hours before they blew it up or even better, they sent men into a burning building to rig the explosives is hell funny!
you cts are too stupid to see how stupid you really are !!!
911TRUTHINATOR 2 years ago
The "perps", as you call them, let the fires burn for 7 hours so they could use the fire as reasoning for the colapse. The video links you supplied were about bldg. 5, an I beam structure (no core collumns), dropping tons of debris from a 110 story building on to a smaller building, that wasn't meant to support that kind of weight, will bend and twist I beams even without fire. This structure doesn't even compare with the core collumn structures of buildings 1,2, and 7.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
theres video of the gash right here on youtube lol
watch?v=5GEEzHn4tqo lmao
justin39640 2 years ago
I watched and LMFAO. Anyone with eyes can see that the building extends out about another 20 feet in that area, and what your looking at is the shadow on the side of that section of the building. Both edges of the "gash"lol, (shadow) are straight and uniform, all the way up the side of the building, no jagged edges. I'm disapointed, it took almost 3 years for someone to show me proof, and you show me a shadow.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Why bother to show you anything. You seem to stupid to understand why water runs downhill.
The red and gray chips found in the WTC dust ignite at, I think it is around 400 degrees C. They also produce molten Iron spheres of exactly the same elemental signature that Thermite does. This has been demonstrated by Jones, et al. Do you think this is nothing? Are you really that clueless?
speedystriper 2 years ago
I agree speedystriper. WAQ is pretty much gone in the upstairs department.
I really appreciate your work and am passing this video around.
MaximusDaddicus 2 years ago
Thanks. Who knows? Maybe WAQ and his cohorts are onto something and 7 came down because of fire. I was only trying to inject a little levity into the subject by showing The Three Stooges in the clip, but maybe they were the guys who designed Building 7 after all. Designing a 47 story tall high rise filled with thousands of people that comes crashing down vertically due to pockets of fire sounds like something the Stooges would do! LOL
speedystriper 2 years ago
Seen that before. We all know that there was some damage to one of the corners of Building 7. NIST (National Institute for Standards and Technology) claimed in their final report put out last August that the building collapsed solely due to fire, not fire and damage caused by falling debris.
There is no way in hell that the building fell from fire to begin with, and it would have toppled TOWARDS the area of damage had that been the cause
speedystriper 2 years ago
And your too stupid to even respond to the right persons comments duuuuuuuuuuh
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
That's right folks, footage of successful building demolitions are PROOF that 9-11 was an inside job. And footage of FAILED building demolitions are ALSO PROOF that 9-11 was an inside job!
No matter what you show the 9-11 truthers, it's always proof! Ta-da!
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago
This is a most illustrative example of the kinds of errors in thinking you guys make. Videos of both successful and failed demolitions make the point for inside job. The Turkey demo shows what happens when the explosives don't go off - the building topples over. I guess this is too hard for you to get.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Actually you just made my point, so thank you.
TheRamenAvenger 2 years ago
LOL. Except when explosions go off, you actually see the flashes and hear the explosions for MILES around--you dont hear classical music.
So, either
1) there were NO explosives in the building, because it wasnt a CD.
or
2) There WERE explosives loaded into the building, but the explosives failed to go off.
But, as you demanded, it CANT be #2. Because it didnt topple to the side.
Therefore, #1 is proved.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
There are witnesses who said they heard explosives. How many videos have you seen of Building 7 coming down that have sound? Or the Twin Towers for that matter?
speedystriper 2 years ago
No, witnesses they heard explosions. explosions (normal in burning buildings) does not mean explosives.
And the issue is NOT "over the period of 7 hours in a burning building, did anything explode" The question is, "was it a CD?"
This is what REAL CDs look and sound like.
watch?v=eRZPPdf_sm0&feature=related
watch?v=eUIdf4UJ3_4&feature=related
watch?v=ZlGmnKvOhlg&feature=related
If it doesnt look and sound like those, its NOT a CD. No getting around it.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Listen moron...
WTC7 LOOKS exactly like a controlled demolition... it might not SOUND like one because the explosives used were different (nanothermite)
Saying that it's not a controlled demolition just because it didn't sound EXACTLY the same is weak to say the least.
Why not look at the peer-reviewed paper detailling the presence of UNEXPLODED nanothermite in the WTC dust?
If you say 'it's just paint' then you are even more of a moron than I thought.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Saying that it's not a controlled demolition just because it didn't sound EXACTLY the same is weak to say the least.
You took the words out of my mouth. We are dealing with a preplanned event the likes of which had never been seen or thought of before.
speedystriper 2 years ago
"You took the words out of my mouth"
Its certainly a LOT stronger than "I building rolled over once, so therefore B7 must have been a CD!"
YOU are the one peddling the notion that other videos of CD's can prove or disprove if 7 was one.
Dont blame me if your big move backfired on you.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Listen Moron yourself.
You cant have it both ways. You cant say "It looks just like a CD, so it must be one. But it doesnt look like a CD, so it must be one."
Why dont you take your own advice and look at the Peer-reviewed Paper. Specifically at page 25 (moron) where is says "We make no attempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present
until more is learned about the red material and especially about the nature of the organic material it contains."
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Cont...so as we can see, moron, THEY dont even say its Nano-thermite. They admit they never matched it.
Oooops.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
"We make no attempt to specify the particular form of nano-thermite present"
Exactly how stupid do you wish to appear in a public forum?
They don't know which TYPE of nanothermite... but no matter what TYPE of nanothermite, it's still nanothermite.
Time for some english lessons moron. If I said... "Chocolate has been found, but we are not 100% sure what TYPE" does this mean I'm saying that no chocolate was found?
You sir, are a Grade-A moron.
marcoddy 2 years ago
MarQaeda, Exactly how stupid and illiterate and unable to read at a 5th grade level do you want to appear in a public forum?
They didnt say they didnt "know which type." They said they didnt even ATTEMPT to match it.
Time for some Logic lessons, Moron. If your neighbor is murdered, and the cops find fingerprints, they dont say "MarQaeda killed his neighbor. We didnt even ATTEMPT to match the fingerprints to him. But we are sure anyway!"
You Achmed, are a traitor to humanity,.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
It doesn't MATTER that they didn't attempt to match the TYPE of nanothermite.
The fact still remains that it is NANOTHERMITE... regardless of what TYPE.
Please review the comment I made earlier and actually UNDERSTAND it...
If chocolate is found, and it is beyond doubt that it is chocolate... would it matter if someone said "We never even ATTEMPTED to match what typeof chocolate it was"?
Would that mean it wasn't chocolate?
Seriously dude, you're making yourself look REALLY stupid
marcoddy 2 years ago
It matters completely, 100%.
you cant say you found a specific chemical compound, if you never matched it to any actual example of the compound.
Youll also notice they never actually call it "thermite" or say "we found nano-thermite." Because they didnt.
They merely refer to a "thermitic material" which could mean just about anything that burns.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Quit with the racism dude. It's really low.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Seriously, who do you think these guys are? They post on these YouTube comments sections like their lives depended on it. They repeat the same talking points ad infinitum like they took a class on debunking and had to memorize them from a manual. Of course it is impossible to prove but it does seem like they are doing it as a job. I shouldn't say this as I can't prove it, but that is just the impression that they give me. Or maybe they are just obsessed government worshipers.
speedystriper 2 years ago
It's posible to prove everything if anyone had something called, oh I don't know, EVIDENCE.
If you don't have the evidence it can't be proven. Simple fact and quick logical reasoning.
WhyAskQuestions 2 years ago
Why do idiots keep saying 'no evidence'?
It is SO obvious you are a shill!
8 floors of freefaall at building 7?
Nanothermite in the WTC dust?
Molten metal?
Try to individually 'debunk' any of those undeniable facts... please. Everyone reading your stupid posts knows exactly what you are.
marcoddy 2 years ago
1) LOLOL. So NOW you say "8 floors of free fall" instead of "the whole building? HAHAHA.
Achmed. there was 7 or 8 floor open atrium at the bottom. When that part of the building fails, THAT would free fall for 8 stories. Duh.
No nanothermite found. (ref page 25)
Molten materials is common for large building fires (refiery fires last summer in TX and GA) Even in building 6 and 5 they found molten materials. NOT hard to understand.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
ss dude
I bet Iranian gov. pays u to upload these America hate videos.
KimmoKuopio 2 years ago
KK, dude, I bet the U.S. government pays you to spread propaganda on 9/11 videos and label truthers as haters, right wing extreemists, and potential terrorist threats. The only threat we recognize, is the threat of uneducated people who don't know whats really going on, trusting ignorant people like you, who are blindly following the government. Open your eyes, and see where your following has lead you.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
oscarbeenit
No, I don't need money, I just hate 9/11 Fuc* spouters.
All twoofers belong in prison,
I say ship em to gitmo.
KimmoKuopio 2 years ago
Send them to my fema camp.
01psd 2 years ago
"Send them to my FEMA camp."
Yeah, you would probably get a kick out of torturing people wouldn't you? Real great patriot you are. Our great country needs more like you. Fascist asshat.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Waterboarding ftw!
01psd 2 years ago
And why do you think we belong in prison? Because we use our freedom of speach against a corrupt government? Thats called decent, and our forefathers condoned, and even encouraged it's use. Or is it because you know were right, and you're tired of having to make false claims that you've debunked something when you and I both know you didn't? But then, I guess you're looking at the fact that it's easier to just get your opponents out of the way, so you don't have to loose any more debates.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
I agree. The slimy bastards that troll around EVERY truth video, marking them down & writing the SAME comments all over.... their job is to create conflict & tar people with the 'nutter' brush.
People are waking up to it though. Videos like 'this is an orange' and sheer numbers are breaing past that initial fear of admitting 'I believe it was an inside job'.
To the people who are shilling, either in direct employment or by proxy... divine justice will be upon you all. Know that.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Marcmoron,
Also, Thermite isnt an explosive, its an incindiary. That alone disqualifies Harrit et al, since there is no such thing as unexploded thermite (ie, not an explosive) the entire premise is fantasy.
Further, because its not an explosive, its impossible to time it closely enough. Cant be used for a CD.
Anyone who calls nano-thermite an explosive, OR pretends it can be timed usably in a CD is more of a moron than I thought. =]
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Ok, so go tell the experts at Laurence Livermore that explain in great detail that Nanothermite can be used as an explosive that they are ALL morons...
Because 'EdgemanLL2' on youtube says that "ANYONE WHO CALLS NANOTHERMITE AN EXPLOSIVE IS A MORON"
You really are a SERIOUS dick-head aren't you.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Sure, Give me a name and number at Lawrence Livermore. Ill be glad to explain it to them.
""You really are a SERIOUS dick-head aren't you. ""
"Blah blah blah. Edge is right. Call him a name. We cant hang."
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
I can see how that conversation would go...
"Hi can I speak to an expert in nanotechnology please"
"Hi how can I help you"?
"yeah this is EdgemanLL2 from youtube.I'm calling to tell you that all of your state-of-the-art research on nanothermite is wrong. You are incorrect. Nanothermite cannot be used as an explosive"
"Ok thanks for that, we'll be sure to shut down our research into it. Thanks EdgemanLL2"
Seriously, get a fucking life.
marcoddy 2 years ago
"I can see how that covnersation will go...."
so in other wordes, you dont have any experts at Lawrence Livermore to back up your bullshit lies?
Understood.
another kook, lying for Alqaeda, EXPOSED.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Simple fact, NO type of thermite can cut a column the size of the ones on a sky scraper horizontally. it is impossible and i challenge you to prove it is.
JLaw012 2 years ago
How many tests have you done with nanothermite?
FACT1 - The US has a black budget into the TRILLIONS of dollars
FACT2 - watch? v=Wn- MCCZ3O1M
This vid shows an AMATURE attempt at cutting horizontally with thermite.
Add fact 1 to fact 2, and your comment seems naive at best.
Fact 3 - the paint you claim Steven Jones mistakes for nanothermite has a primary ingredient of Zinc. The chips contain NO zinc.
Fact 4 - A 'structural collapse' can't cut steel columns horizontally either..
marcoddy 2 years ago
Lie-1. Then entire govt iself spends about 2.5 Trillion. Accounting for entitlement spending and known DOD spending, there isnt anything close to ONE trillion left over--much less "trillions
lie-2 Thats not a hollow, 14 inch box col. The thermite burns at the tip of the device. The rebar is cut by virtue of being next to it.
lie-3. They admit they didnt match it to any thermite. Case closed.
4) they CAN be cut horizontally in the clean up. Duh.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
cont...in this video we see the guys, doing the clean up, point right to the angle cuts and say "weve been making those cuts."
watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&feature=channel_page
and in this video, we see the kooks build a sign, and then try to use thermite to cut the cols. The couldnt get it to work (because its impossible to make thermite cut through 14 inches horizontally) so thet pathetically just burned a pile of thermite beneath the sign LOL
watch?v=GYOHlJKcXrg&feature=channel_page
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
The fact that Wedgeman and his cohorts spend so much time debunking these YouTube videos speaks volumes. This is not the only one they focus on by a long shot. How do these guys have so much time to do this? Why do they do it? Do you guys have jobs? Is this your job?
speedystriper 2 years ago
Please reply to my Facts 1-4 at your earliest convenience.
marcoddy 2 years ago
You havent listed any facts.
You made 2 claims just now. I nuked those.
How much does Alq pay you? or is your treason for free?
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Why don't you reply to marcoddy's facts that he presented. Because all I see you doing is running your mouth about how you're so much smarter than a truther, but all you're doing is trying to discredit peoples information by calling them names and assasinating their character, and claiming their facts are lies, and hoping that you're convincing uneducated people not to do the research.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Marqaeda didnt present facts. he made beselsss claims.
As I pointed out, I nuked the baseless claims.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
"You made 2 claims just now. I nuked those." By "nuked", you must mean ignored, because I didn't see you laying down any facts to prove his claims are baseless. Since you insist that you're smarter than a truther, it should be no problem for you to debunk his claims.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Oscar. reality is irrelevant to what you admit to seeing.
He made to baseless claims. Both nuked.
Doesnt matter if you choose to accept that or not. its true.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
"reality is irrelevant". Thats your life story, because you live in a world where reality is irrelevant. I want to know how you think you "nuked" marcoddy's claims without uttering a word. You did nothing of the kind, and I want to hear the inteligent answers you have for him.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
*"reality is irrelevant". Thats your life story*
And taking quotes out of context, and cheap shots must be YOUR life story. HAHAHA. Busted.
Reality is reality. That you wont admit to seeing it is irrelevant.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
One of the people in this thread thinks they spray on thermite. OMG I'm still laughing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
Keep telling your lies word twister, I never said anything of the kind. You twist peoples words to make them sound stupid, but anyone who looks through some of the comments can plainly see that I never said that. And that the only reason you're doing this is because you don't have any facts to back you up, so you can't win this debate/argument honestly or fairly.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
I haven't changed your words and everything i've posted is based on facts. You can't tefute them so you resort to personal attacks and other nonsense.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
Oh, you twisted my words alright. and I've refuted your so called facts several times. If you've already forgotten, maybe you should go back and re-read some of my previous comments, instead of just cherry-picking things to attack me on. As far as personal attacks, once again, go back and re-read YOUR comments, filled with name calling, character assasination, degrading remarks, and other nonsense. Since you can't play nice, don't reply to me again.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
You haven't refuted anything. You believe a conspiracy theory is fact. Your opinion doesnt make it fact. I didnt personally attack you. You just make stuff up as you go. IThe reson you dont want me to reply is becasue youve been refuted.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
A cospiracy theory is a conspiracy theory, but when enough fact are dragged out of the dark and into the light theory becomes truth. It's not my opinion, it a fact. "I didn't presonaly attack you." A quick review of your comments reveals that this statement is a lie.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
A typical shill response, calling names before twisting truth doesn't discredit anyone but yourself. Thermite isn't an explosive, but it takes 3000 degree temperatures to ignite it, thats where the explosives come in. Thermite is mixed C4,(plastic explosives) which is used to make the shape charge, and when detonated, generates enough heat to ignite the thermite, which cuts through steel like a hot knife through butter. With the C4, it CAN be timed to go off simultaniously or in a sequence.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
"A typical shill response"
Thats the typical kook response. Call anyone smarter than you a shill.
Sorry, thermite is NOT ignigted with explosives. (hint: explosives explode. Not so great at burning things)
There are plenty--and I mean plenty--of example of burning thermite on YT. NONE are ignited with explosives.
Guesses arent facts. Sorry.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Edgeshill
I have asked you 4 times now to explain 2 very basic problems with your claim that "the nanothermite found in the dust is NOT nanothermite... it's paint"
1, The paint you claim it to be contains as a PRIMARY ingredient - Zinc. The red/grey chips contain NO zinc... how?
2, The red/grey chips did not dissolve in a paint stripping solution/
Everyone reading this (and it is for them I do this, not you) understands that your LACK of answers in these areas means only one thing.
marcoddy 2 years ago
Marqaudea
1) I didnt claim it was paint, LIAR.
I simply pointed out that even Harrit et al ADMIT thye never matched the substance to thermite or nanothermite
2) 30 year old paints and primers that have bonded into steel often wont dissolve in stripping solution.
Shill.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
marcody, you idiot, the paint on the columns contained zinc chromate. You are, thus, by pointing it out as evidence of thermite, proving, instead, that you are a drooling idiot.
leftysergeant 2 years ago
fact 1. you have no evidence of how much money the US uses on nano thermite. So if you have evidence then provide the source, otherwise dont waste your time.
Fact 2. That link did not work, but if its that stupid video of something cutting a 1 inch think pipe then your an idiot, we are talking about massive core columns.
Fact 3. Steven Jones is not an expert unless your talking about physics, not building collapse forensics.
Fact 4. Nothing Cut the columns, expect the welders.
JLaw012 2 years ago
I called you a shill, because you act like a shill, you spend all day on the same video trying to discredit peoples information with the governments whitewashed version of events, while calling them names and attempting to assasinate their character with degrading remarks. And you think you're smarter than me? LOL. There are other catalysts used to ignite thermite, C4 was used as a catalyst and a shape charge, not to "burn things" or "explode". The examples on YT all use a catalyst for ignition.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
:I called you a shill, because you act like a shill,"
meaning "edge is smarter than me. Call him a shill so I wont have to deal with the fact that everyday normal people can so easily pick apart the kookspiracies"
Understood.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Actualy, it means exactly the opposite, edge doesn't have a mind of his own, and can't research information and draw his own conclusions, so he espouses the governments version of events and insisting, if it's not in the governments version, it's a lie. And you spend a lot of time calling names and degrading people for asking simple questions, because you don't want those"everyday normal people" to learn the truth. I think you started something you can't finish.
Understood?
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
"Understood?"
LMAO, yeah. we understand youre projecting your faults onto me. Sorry, but anyone who can think for themselves, and do research KNOWS
1) thermite isnt usable in a CD
2) You cant wire 3, record setting CDs in just a few weeks or hours
3) you certainly cant do it in an occupied building, with no one noticing
4) There are no such things as silent explosives.
Your mindless, sheep research is simply "I heard it on Talk Radio, its gotta be TRUE."
U have ZERO cred.
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago
Understand this, I'm "projecting" nothing but truth. Anyone who can think for themselves, and do research KNOWS
1) the Descovery channel has a documentary on controled demo., that explains the use of thermite to bring down steel core structures. And it can be timed.
2&3) For several months prior to 9/11, at night and on the weekends, work crews "re-cableing"and "re-insulating" beams and columns in buildings 1,2, and 7. They had access to the core columns long enough to plant explosives.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
There is no proof thermite was used on 9-11.btw find me a controlled demoliton that leaves molten stell afterwards LOL This is another theory form conspiratards
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
Check out the videos of the cleanup operations after 9/11, the cranes were pulling peices of beams out of the rubble, with molten steel still dripping off them. Nice name calling dude, but we all know that you don't personaly attack people.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
A crane operator using a crane with molten steel is too dangerous, and a risk to his life. I assure you none of them men were going to risk thier lives in a clean-up operation. A conspiracy theory is based on specualtion and assumption. It doesn't matter how much specualtion you have it will never equal a fact.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
Yeah, put a little twist on it. I SAID molten steel dripping off the ends, you know, where the thermite was still active. And a lot of people risk their lives in clean-up operations every day, risk is part of the job. A good conspiracy theorist doesn't make assumptions, and there is only speculation untill the facts have been uncovered, and in 9/11 truth, there is more fact than speculation.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
What facts? What proof is there the usa attcked itself on 9-11? Thermite isn't active after it's burned with an igniton source. No clea-up crew rsiks their lives messing with molten steel. People risk thier lives to save others but not cleaning up collapsed buildings. No man in his right mind messes with any 3,000 degree molten substance.
Kyles45Angel 2 years ago
We offer facts and proof just so you can call it lies without even looking at it. Yuo guys say you do all of this research, but yet you won't review any of the information we give you, you're too busy calling names and trying to discredit us with lies that can only be backed up by your shill friends who help you attack us. Heres some advice, why don't you find a dark corner, and go debunk yourself.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
Too be more accurate, I would say that it was molten iron, which is the by-product of Thermite after it is reacted. Molten Iron is what you see pouring out of the south tower 5 minutes before it came down, and that is most definitely what the orange pools under the rubble consisted of. Jones and his team ignited some of the chips and guess what: they created tiny spheres of molten Iron with the exact elemental signature of Iron spheres created by Thermite. Paint chips my ass.
speedystriper 2 years ago
Finally, a reply from someone who's not here to attack me with lies. But you know, to a moron like me, iron and steel are the same thing, because us twoofers don't know nuffin'. LOL. We get good information from college professors like Steven Jones, while the dumbunkers get their information from the government paid stooges...I'm sorry, I meant students...really, I did.
oscarbeenit 2 years ago
As the only person here who has woirked with thermite, actually giving classes on its use in arson, I can say with one hundred percent confidence that there was no evidence of thermite, and that it would not have been active after two minutes, MAXIMUM. Jones ios losing his marbles. Only the Nazi piece of crap Bollyn asserted that there were pools of molten steel, and he is a damned liar. That's what Nazis do.
leftysergeant 2 years ago
LOL, youre projecting nothing but the script from a bad Steven Segall movie. Youre projecting wahat you want to be true. not the truth.
1) Great. Hook me up. Let me see the Disc channel using thermite to demo 110 story buildings with expertly times precision
2+3) you simply repeated your claim. You didnt refute anything.
Prev record CD was a building 1/3rd the size of ONE tower. That took 4 months round the clock, without hiding. No way youre going to wire the towers on a few weekends
EdgemanLL2 2 years ago