People who tend to label those who reject Islam as racist rarely, if ever, listen to reasoning of any sort. The fact that race is brought up when the subject is clearly ideology shows how fundamentally warped the "You're just a racist" crowd can be. There is no reasoning with people who work in terms of logical fallacies and non sequiturs of that sort. It's a non-starter in my experience.
Oh! By the way...magic and religion are the same thing. I don't know how you justify making a distinction between the practice of Sharia Law, and the stoning of rape victims, and the fertility ritual of thrusting a spear through young people. None of these practices has any place in the 21st century. Hell! you might as well say that white supremacy under Nazi germany was just a cultural difference that should have been "left alone."
Yeah! Maybe I'm close-minded, but I think it's a heinous practice to stone a little 13 year old girl to death for adultery, when she committed the crime of being raped.
Here in Canada, a murderer can get out of jail in 7 years. If Islamic nations find that abhorant, should they put sanctions on us and try for regime change? obviously not, nor, i don't think, they even discuss that. I sense a bit of a superiority complex from the person you're replying to. I know I don't support sharia, but it's their laws and the people will change them when they want to... cont.
Also there are dozens of islamic nations and the only two that perform stoning etc are Aghanistan and Saudi arabia as far as I know. The person you are responding to is sadly kinda doesn't know the state of the world as it is now. Most of the islamic world is run by seculars already. Also, I think most of the islamic world actually sees stoning etc as barbaric and they don't lobby for those laws in their countries. Like i don't see an egyptian asking for stonning to be introduced to the law.
I think you nailed the reasons for laws to come up with punishment, those are the 4 main reasons.
One thing to note about Sharia : the sources are 1) Quran which muslims can't dispute. 2) Hadith which is disputable and can be seen as historical narative. 3) Interpretations of those two texts. So Sharia also can be different dependent on those that interpret and implement it.
The idea of leaving cultures alone is an okay idea so long as we create that boundary line where we step and say that this isn't okay. So the question would be where that boundary should be allowed. Even if it possibly would make that culture crumble in he process. Some things should be valued more than traditions and practices under my situation in my opinion.
I would call the tribal ritual a religion. The use of religion in this context merely means that the people in question are practicing a ritual that they believe will bring about a supernatural response. They see some force stepping in to help them through such a ritual. So I think religion is an appropriate word.
I respectively disagree that something that is law can not be a barbaric practice. Law is only that which is given by those in leadership positions. So for instance you can have a law stating that those found after midnight will be flogged. Or those who have art in there possession should be executed( I'm thinking Equilibrium on that one). I would consider those two examples to be barbaric and yet still be laws.
People who tend to label those who reject Islam as racist rarely, if ever, listen to reasoning of any sort. The fact that race is brought up when the subject is clearly ideology shows how fundamentally warped the "You're just a racist" crowd can be. There is no reasoning with people who work in terms of logical fallacies and non sequiturs of that sort. It's a non-starter in my experience.
elsquibbs 1 year ago
Thanks for the very thoughtful reply. And a two parter as well ! it's not a simple subject and I appreciate you taking the time.
insightnew 1 year ago
@insightnew
You're very welcome. Thanks for your original video. It's rare to find a video so clearly stated.
It's amazing how complex the subject becomes.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
Oh! By the way...magic and religion are the same thing. I don't know how you justify making a distinction between the practice of Sharia Law, and the stoning of rape victims, and the fertility ritual of thrusting a spear through young people. None of these practices has any place in the 21st century. Hell! you might as well say that white supremacy under Nazi germany was just a cultural difference that should have been "left alone."
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
Yeah! Maybe I'm close-minded, but I think it's a heinous practice to stone a little 13 year old girl to death for adultery, when she committed the crime of being raped.
Hereticbooks 1 year ago
@Hereticbooks
I also view this as heinous, Hereticbooks.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
Here in Canada, a murderer can get out of jail in 7 years. If Islamic nations find that abhorant, should they put sanctions on us and try for regime change? obviously not, nor, i don't think, they even discuss that. I sense a bit of a superiority complex from the person you're replying to. I know I don't support sharia, but it's their laws and the people will change them when they want to... cont.
Darw1n1st 1 year ago
Also there are dozens of islamic nations and the only two that perform stoning etc are Aghanistan and Saudi arabia as far as I know. The person you are responding to is sadly kinda doesn't know the state of the world as it is now. Most of the islamic world is run by seculars already. Also, I think most of the islamic world actually sees stoning etc as barbaric and they don't lobby for those laws in their countries. Like i don't see an egyptian asking for stonning to be introduced to the law.
Darw1n1st 1 year ago
@Darw1n1st
Yes, he needs to do some research. :-)
Cimbolic 1 year ago
@Darw1n1st
I agree, Darwin.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
I think you nailed the reasons for laws to come up with punishment, those are the 4 main reasons.
One thing to note about Sharia : the sources are 1) Quran which muslims can't dispute. 2) Hadith which is disputable and can be seen as historical narative. 3) Interpretations of those two texts. So Sharia also can be different dependent on those that interpret and implement it.
hamidious 1 year ago
@hamidious
Yes, there must be lots of interpretation involved.
I believe Islam has four major schools of legal thought.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
I think that the justice scales came from the Egyptians.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
@Foxcanine1
Yes, I think they used them as the symbol of weighing the heart against a feather after death.
The Romans also used them in their symbology.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
The idea of leaving cultures alone is an okay idea so long as we create that boundary line where we step and say that this isn't okay. So the question would be where that boundary should be allowed. Even if it possibly would make that culture crumble in he process. Some things should be valued more than traditions and practices under my situation in my opinion.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
@Foxcanine1
Finding a boundary would certainly be complex.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
I would call the tribal ritual a religion. The use of religion in this context merely means that the people in question are practicing a ritual that they believe will bring about a supernatural response. They see some force stepping in to help them through such a ritual. So I think religion is an appropriate word.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
@Foxcanine1
There is a lot of overlap between Magic and Religion.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
I respectively disagree that something that is law can not be a barbaric practice. Law is only that which is given by those in leadership positions. So for instance you can have a law stating that those found after midnight will be flogged. Or those who have art in there possession should be executed( I'm thinking Equilibrium on that one). I would consider those two examples to be barbaric and yet still be laws.
Foxcanine1 1 year ago
@Foxcanine1
Hi Fox,
I agree that laws can prescribe cruel and unusual punishments.
Cimbolic 1 year ago
You need to watch my audio video.
watch?v=bClqca8bZ7c
DiwataMan 1 year ago
@DiwataMan
Thanks very much, Diwata. I think your video helped identify the problem.
I'll do a test soon to confirm. Thanks again.
Cimbolic 1 year ago