The sentiments behind this video are cool, but I cannot say I totally agree. Social order has real tangible benefits, so long as its not taken too far. Raging against all order and power is quite as poor a plan as supporting all order and power. A unified group can do far more than what an individual can, thats the purpose of social order and why our society got as far as it has. Terrible things happen with the application of order in the wrong place, but thats true of many other things.
Right-Wing morality is very dependent on order and authority; left-wing morality depends much more on preventing harm. Preventing harm is also part of right-wing morality but they may overlook harm if authority tells them to. This video tells it well: htt p://ww w.ted.co m/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.htm l
Morality cannot be objective , saying morality is objective is just as bad as saying God exists. You cannot say that a certain value is superior to another value, no matter how bad you want it to be true or the amount of people that share the supposedly superior value. There simply is no scientific way to prove that one action is bad/good wihout judgment of a conscious entity or subject.
Atheists can be moral, aslong as they recognize morality as nothing more than subjective preference.
like it or not but there are fundemental morals, they are not subjective, it is not subjective whether it is wrong or not for you to butcher, rape, ... and so on. Those who say it is are demented idiotic tyrants.
tribalism is very subjective. if it's viewed as wrong within the tribe to rape or kill other members of their own tribe, but okay if they rape or kill members of other tribes, then yes, even those viewed as fundamental morals are subjective. tribal morality is subjective. the only way maybe is to have all humanity under one tribe (or nation, or culture); but how likely is this to happen ? religious sects are also just another kind of modern tribe that divide.
no, i'm talking about bronze age judaism, actually. well at least that's what i had in mind when i was writing that. but the tribe continues into modern times under the banner of religious and ethnic divisions. just look at armies: whenever they're set loose on some other country (tribe), the killing and raping they tend to inflict on that other country (tribe) is epidemic. it's only been a short time since we came onto civilization, and we've still a way to go.
Morality is not subjective, please put down the Ayn Rand nonsense. There are fundemental things which no one has the right to take, no matter what social norm.
It is quite comical to see those who claim to hate fundementalists to have such a bizzare self righteous religion of their own.
ayn rand now ? uhm, no, please don't lump me in with sociopaths like her, no. as to your claim that morality is not subjective, hell i whole-heartedly agree with you on that. however, those religious people just don't tend to agree with us on that point. i agree that killing a baby is objectively wrong. religious people do not. to them, killing a muslim, or a jewish baby (if they're a christian at war with their nation) is perfectly okay and proper. i disagree.
as to people believing in the philosophy of selfishness of ayn rand being like a church or something, that these crazy philosophies = a religion, uh, no, i think that's kind of not how things work, actually. you'll need a few more hundred (or thousand years) plus a thorough mythologizing of her life (oh like saying she was borne from a virgin mother, et c.) before she becomes a deity and her philosophy becomes like a religion.
Words cannot express how incredibly ignorant this video is about the things it talks about.
There are many examples I could cite, but for instance it completely misrepresents the argument for the "selfish-gene" -evolution of morality and pits a deformed straw-man of it against the idea that morality is just control.
Another example is where it equates our ability to train dogs with instilling a moral code into them that's just such a false equivalence that wow I don't know what to say.
While I disagree with your final point, since morality has kept us as a species alive for a long time and what you describe is actually a new set of a moral code (our own empathy is by definition a moral code), I would say this is a well done video that truly responds to the religious notion that we need a reward system to be good, were in reality we are sort of hard-wired to follow society (those who don't typically can have disorders).
iv seen a lot of people who died brutally and painfully and this made me realise that there's no god and sadly humans dont have any special value we are just part of nature and we die just like any other animals,thats sad the truth.
You cannot get rid of morals? wtf....you serious, its just a utopian fantasy. There will always be haves and have nots, Subject and ruler in one form or the other.
TJ, you upload a lot of videos and they are usually thought provoking and entertaining, but this is by far the best video you have ever uploaded in my opinion.
I think that there is homo-erectus and homo-sapien. I believe that some people require hierarchy to function while others function best in equitable cooperatives.
I also think that we also need examine when hierarchy is best, when decisiveness is more important than equality. And when equality is more important than decisiveness.
There are simply too many stupid people who would injure the socially valuable to allow anarchy but we do not need fascism either.
if he is fighting for this, then why does he hate buddhism? since buddhists believe to do right by your own views on right or wrong but then he hates it and says its evil.
@MetalDoneMoreForME Because Buddhism itself is a measurement of morality. I think Nietzsche said that Buddhism was the most positive of the nihilist movements even though it inevitable halted human creativity and happiness.
Best video you ever did man. This is fucking.. Good stuff. You need to get to some convention as a speaker with this - don't confine this to youtube. I am a HIGHLY intelligent fella, and i usually agree with you and all, but this one really got me - i still agree, but it was just a string of thoughts that takes a genius to put together and make sense of. You'll earn a spot beside the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins one day - be sure of that.
@jwhyte67 Another internet tough guy who knows nothing about the guy he is slamming. Dude, TJ is doing little more than recycling the stuff I learned in Intro to Philosophy 101 ... which I took the year he was born. I was teaching this stuff to incoming Freshmen when I was in grad school. I like TJ for the most part, but don't paint him as any wiser than he is.
@ShayWilliamDawson1 To be fair to me though in your message you came off as another ADD riddled nitwit berating the video for not being "hey look at me!" lowest common denominator entertaining. And I agree for the most part, while he makes some scintillating points here ultimately his conclusion is half-baked and naive
I like your idea, TJ, but I experienced, that many people lost their empathy. So they wouldn't have any empathy to guide them. But great idea. Let's hope, it will be possible some day. =)
Dawkins can not be expected to talk about every single topic with the same intelligence or logic he talks about certain topics that he knows more about,aside from that good vid.
@crunchmetal I'm a bigot? I'M a bigot? Fucking hypocrite, All I'm doing is defending my faith. What TheAmazingAsshole and all other intolerant atheists are doing is using logical fallacies and ignorant generalizations to attack a religion that is actually RENOWNED for its compassion. Ha, funny how CHRISTIANITY seems to be the only religion he insults. So ask yourself: who REALLY is the bigot?
@MrMarktheJarhead There's a couple things wrong with this comment of yours. First of all, I didn't call you a bigot, I was just letting you know that you were coming off as one. Secondly, TAA attacks other religions as well (he has lots of videos on Islam). Lastly, the global perception of Christianity is not one of compassion, as zealous Christians are responsible for some of history's most non-compassionate deeds.
@crunchmetal Well, TAA is still more of a bigot than I "come off as." Most of the things he says about Christians in general are only true for the evangelical, holier-than-thou, foot washing Baptist fundies. Like most atheists, he assumes that all of us reject evolution. I am a Catholic, and I learned about evolution at my CATHOLIC grade school, and it seems like a possible explanation for the development of life on Earth to me (with God at the helm). He also thinks that all Christians HATE homo
@MrMarktheJarhead sexuals. Again, this only applies to the WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH. We Catholics don't HATE homosexuals, we just think that they're actions are wrong and that they should try control their desires. Plenty of people have lived fine celibate lives. Our priests do it all the time. Gays can do it too. TheAmazingAtheist is just an ignoramus with a fat ass and no dick. That anyone, even other evangelial atheists, could buy into his bullshit amazes me.
@MrMarktheJarhead A bigot is one who is intolerant of any creed or doctrine other than their own. Now, it is very true TAA does make many statements that seem bigoted. But watch his video "Atheism Vs. Skepticism," wherein he explains that his reasons for believing what he believes are derived from open-minded evaluation of evidence. He also explains that should any belief offer compelling evidence to support it, he shall maintain an open mind towards its validity.
@crunchmetal I nearly pissed myself laughing at "he explains that his reasons for believing what he believes are derived from OPEN-MINDED evaluation." If TheAmazingAtheist is open-minded, then Gwenyth Paltrow is the fattest bitch I've ever seen. Watch The Catholic Church: Sexier Than Ever and tell me HONESTLY that TAA is open-minded. I KNOW you'll fail.
Of course this is a very simplified version of the theory, but I hope it sparks discussion.
It is not often that I have the privilege to disagree with someone I agree with on many issues and consider to be a clear thinker, and I hope this is one of those rare occasions on which discussion can be truly challenging and enriching for both sides. Thanks.
What I would like to point out directly, is that the basic premise on which you build your argument is factually incorrect, namely that an evolutionary biology account of human morality is incomplete as it only explains kindness and altruism.
The crux of the matter here is that cooperation is not a stable strategy. Parasites or 'cheaters' can arise in a cooperative society and take advantage of others. That's why, alongside a propensity to cooperate, moral outrage towards cheaters must evolve.
It is a very interesting argument you have put together here. I beg to disagree with it though, I am convinced we cannot do without enforceable codes of conduct, especially when it comes to restricting antisocial behavior. For a solid and well researched argument for rule of law and objective, systematyzed rules to govern social interaction in general I would simply recommend Steven Pinker's latest book, the Better Angels of Our Nature.
this is great, i agree with you but i do think that not allowing ourselves to do evil is still a product of trying to exist within a "caste" system, dont know if that made sense but, ah whatever
One of your best videos, Amazing Atheist. I completely skipped this one for some reason, but looking at this has helped me feel better. I am still a spiritual person. I believe in what I want to believe for reasons purely for happiness and to know that death may not be the end. It's to have faith in greater things in existence rather than just the face value of things. I am not spiritual to derive morals from it, I already KNOW what is right or wrong, and that there is a line one must not cross.
Just because she doesn't yell at me doesn't mean that her act is of empathy. Empathy means to see the world through another person's eyes to sympathize with them. The reason my wife didn't yell at me wasn't because she cared about my feelings or saw this through my eyes, it was because she was just following a moral code that mandated "Don't yell at your husband." Just because there's no morality doesn't mean she'll have automatic empathy, empathy isn't mandated, unlike morality.
...She's angry and yelling at you would benefit her, because you're the perfect scapegoat for letting out her frustration. She has no moral code to stop her so she yells at you. There's no "morality free empathy" here.
On the other hand, if she DOES have a moral code, she doesn't yell at you, because her moral code tells her to not to. And not yelling at you=act of empathy.
You gave a lot of examples how morality can be manipulated and used to control people. While this happens in many occasions, is this proper reason for dismissing morality as a subject matter?
Because if I don't have any sort of a moral code, then I live by 1 simple rule - I do whatever benefits me. You say that empathy=/=morality. Well, maybe, but it's impossible to completely disconnect them. Example - your wife comes home and there's a mess in the kitchen...
But if morality equals hierarchical societies like wolves, and we should lose our "shackles of morality", why do wolves outside the hierarchical societies die from, for example, starvation? They need to be in a pack to be able to function properly or all hell breaks loose and they die.
Only got halfway through and it froze on me (internet is fine all day but somehow sucks at home) now I have enough internet to post this comment but not to watch the video, been frozen for like 5 minutes now. But it is worth watching again so I look forward to it tomorrow. Love your work, keep it up.
@DeadIslandTrailers Kindly go choke on your own shit and die you worthless fuck. No one cares about your opinion. I hope I put that simply enough for somone like you to understand :)
Fuck morals. I have anal sex with underage white girls and eat my cheeseburgers medium rare. Anybody who thinks that my actions are wrong can suck my huge negro wang.
Perhaps it is I who am misunderstanding something when saying this, but I feel as if TJ has misunderstood where Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are coming from. They do believe you use your own empathy to decide what is right and wrong; not solely empathy, but empathy together with logic and facts. Neurology fits into the picture because it can provide facts, like quantifying the suffering caused by water-boarding. Yes, it has the potential to add a real objective component to the moral....
Perhaps it is I who am misunderstanding something when saying this, but I feel as if TJ has misunderstood where Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are coming from. They do believe you use your own empathy to decide what is right and wrong; not solely empathy, but empathy together with logic and facts. Neurology fits into the picture because it can provide facts, like quantifying the suffering caused by water-boarding. Yes, it has the potential to add a real objective component to the moral....
what the hell does al sharpton know about morality,he has never had a real job in his life.all he has done is jump on the band wagon for a free ride everytime some b.s. happened.he jump on that stupid tawana fiasco back in the day,and it was all a lie.i wonder what his platform is now..since we have a black president..he cant blame the white man for anything now.
thers no SOUL.the term soul was made in hellas some 9000 years BC!.first fact that proves that is a script and a sign that had the same poem made by a hellenic poet named as sapfo.that woman was the first also to write that her 'heart'wants and love a man.since then it remained saying BS like 'my heart is urs ,u stole my heart and that stuff'' analyse and search the term and idea and origin of the term soul ull see that was a hellenic invention made thousand years BC by human brains 4 many rsons
if you are an atheist and thus predisposed to believing everything is a function of the brain, what do we do with people whose brains cannot process empathy? Or are you being ironic? I can't keep up.
@smitc21 People who cannot process empathy (I take it you are talking about sociopaths) follow a different moral code based on the part of their brain that is formed in a different way. Their morals are wrong to us because our brains process guilt and empathy different, while their morals are perfectly normal to them. Does that answer the question? If not, please expand and I will try to answer your question.
I think all of us need a place in life, and without that, we're not sure where to go, what to do, what to be... I know myself, i am still searching for what i am to be, without roles to guide us, a person can spend their life bouncing from one job to another, not making any real progress becoming confused... frustrated, until finally the person either gives up, or finds themselves in a dead in job, with no future... which is a life i would not wish on my worst enemy...
Jude 15 tells us: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. vs. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Morality are comments on the direction your life is taking you. If you want to go from L.A. to Miami the quickest way possible; then going South is WRONG. If you want to go to Heaven then murder is WRONG. If you want revenge the murder might be RIGHT. the morality of any action depends on the intended destination( i.e. the fulfillment of some desire) of an individual.
@mmaarrkkuuss1515 Liberalism embraces collective ideals such as gender, race, and creed as being separate but equal. He is touting nothing like collectivism. He is calling for us to go against hierarchy in social construct. Liberalism clings to morality as its rock to support its collectivist ideals. He says we should drop this structure, forget morality as its ever been, embrace personal ethics, that as humans we are inherently equal and different, to be aware as individuals not a tribe.
@Jebs24 Your description of liberalism is actually socialism. The word "liberal" is misused in USA.
Liberalism allows people to live their lives according to their own morals, which is exactly what this clip is about. In history people have used their liberty to discriminate, because they thought it was morally right. Now people talk against discrimination, because they think it is morally wrong. This video is about how people force their morals upon others as if they were objectively correct.
@mmaarrkkuuss1515 I guess i can concede on that, But of course one must agree, even if it is from misuse, the public at large defines the terms and gives them truer popular meaning. That is how language works. I'm not saying that in my defense really, just sayin'. Thanks though for correcting, because I do agree with it all in the end, just used to the misuse of liberalism I guess. Though I still think this would be popularly aligned with civil libertarianism in the states.
Spiritual salvation is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; & that not of yourselves,it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9.
God says that if you deny Him, He will deny you. He also says that mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. Godbless
Morality comes from latin mores, that means habits, behaviour. They change with time and space because they are NOT absolute. You are responsable for your behavior. People that cannot think for themselves need somebody else to tell them what to think and how to act. Those are the religious people... If you have a brain and you thrust it then you don't need religion!
This is the greatest video I have ever seen on Youtube. You sir, are one of the greatest minds of our time.
jtheist32 9 hours ago
that was awesome :]
Bullet4MyAngelS 4 days ago
Wow man, I'd like to have you as my geek friend.
IvanMarinIvkovich 6 days ago
Censored YouTube Version? where can i watch the original thing?
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@NeoBalkanacMan Description has a link to it.
xboxmime 6 days ago
@NeoBalkanacMan silly me,got distracted by epic vid :P
NeoBalkanacMan 5 days ago
Dude... you're on crack... you're making some connections between psychology and your political views that are out there...
What kind of revolution are you calling up for? rhetorical... good luck with this revolution...
pretol1 1 week ago
This was by FAR the MOST insightful, intelligent Amazing Atheist video I have seen so far.
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The sentiments behind this video are cool, but I cannot say I totally agree. Social order has real tangible benefits, so long as its not taken too far. Raging against all order and power is quite as poor a plan as supporting all order and power. A unified group can do far more than what an individual can, thats the purpose of social order and why our society got as far as it has. Terrible things happen with the application of order in the wrong place, but thats true of many other things.
TheEmperorGulcasa 1 week ago
Right-Wing morality is very dependent on order and authority; left-wing morality depends much more on preventing harm. Preventing harm is also part of right-wing morality but they may overlook harm if authority tells them to. This video tells it well: htt p://ww w.ted.co m/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.htm l
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Morality cannot be objective , saying morality is objective is just as bad as saying God exists. You cannot say that a certain value is superior to another value, no matter how bad you want it to be true or the amount of people that share the supposedly superior value. There simply is no scientific way to prove that one action is bad/good wihout judgment of a conscious entity or subject.
Atheists can be moral, aslong as they recognize morality as nothing more than subjective preference.
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StrawFurnace 1 week ago
I got a ticket to ride.
TheBoxingCannabyte 1 week ago
most beautifull nietzchean explanation ever!
ZAKITASHI 2 weeks ago
like it or not but there are fundemental morals, they are not subjective, it is not subjective whether it is wrong or not for you to butcher, rape, ... and so on. Those who say it is are demented idiotic tyrants.
RyanR3volution 2 weeks ago
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tribalism is very subjective. if it's viewed as wrong within the tribe to rape or kill other members of their own tribe, but okay if they rape or kill members of other tribes, then yes, even those viewed as fundamental morals are subjective. tribal morality is subjective. the only way maybe is to have all humanity under one tribe (or nation, or culture); but how likely is this to happen ? religious sects are also just another kind of modern tribe that divide.
winzo89 2 weeks ago
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but what your talking about is from our evolutionary tracts as even more primitive animals. It is apples and oranges to present day civilization,
It is simply wrong to say that microwaving a baby is a subjective experience.
It is one person taking away something that is not theirs.
Trying keeping your hate for religion and your thinking cap on at the same time.
RyanR3volution 2 weeks ago
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no, i'm talking about bronze age judaism, actually. well at least that's what i had in mind when i was writing that. but the tribe continues into modern times under the banner of religious and ethnic divisions. just look at armies: whenever they're set loose on some other country (tribe), the killing and raping they tend to inflict on that other country (tribe) is epidemic. it's only been a short time since we came onto civilization, and we've still a way to go.
winzo89 2 weeks ago
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The State/=/ society
Morality is not subjective, please put down the Ayn Rand nonsense. There are fundemental things which no one has the right to take, no matter what social norm.
It is quite comical to see those who claim to hate fundementalists to have such a bizzare self righteous religion of their own.
RyanR3volution 2 weeks ago
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ayn rand now ? uhm, no, please don't lump me in with sociopaths like her, no. as to your claim that morality is not subjective, hell i whole-heartedly agree with you on that. however, those religious people just don't tend to agree with us on that point. i agree that killing a baby is objectively wrong. religious people do not. to them, killing a muslim, or a jewish baby (if they're a christian at war with their nation) is perfectly okay and proper. i disagree.
winzo89 2 weeks ago
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as to people believing in the philosophy of selfishness of ayn rand being like a church or something, that these crazy philosophies = a religion, uh, no, i think that's kind of not how things work, actually. you'll need a few more hundred (or thousand years) plus a thorough mythologizing of her life (oh like saying she was borne from a virgin mother, et c.) before she becomes a deity and her philosophy becomes like a religion.
winzo89 2 weeks ago
Words cannot express how incredibly ignorant this video is about the things it talks about.
There are many examples I could cite, but for instance it completely misrepresents the argument for the "selfish-gene" -evolution of morality and pits a deformed straw-man of it against the idea that morality is just control.
Another example is where it equates our ability to train dogs with instilling a moral code into them that's just such a false equivalence that wow I don't know what to say.
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Shooterstyle12 3 weeks ago
While I disagree with your final point, since morality has kept us as a species alive for a long time and what you describe is actually a new set of a moral code (our own empathy is by definition a moral code), I would say this is a well done video that truly responds to the religious notion that we need a reward system to be good, were in reality we are sort of hard-wired to follow society (those who don't typically can have disorders).
1234yersiman 3 weeks ago
ALL HAIL LUNOS!
Pieh0 3 weeks ago
So funny, your advertisement in the lower screen was Scientology :)
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dryce 3 weeks ago
@dryce XD only on youtube can you watch nova than TAA
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Thank you, Mister Atheist.
JustLookinkAround 4 weeks ago
iv seen a lot of people who died brutally and painfully and this made me realise that there's no god and sadly humans dont have any special value we are just part of nature and we die just like any other animals,thats sad the truth.
proximaism 4 weeks ago
You cannot get rid of morals? wtf....you serious, its just a utopian fantasy. There will always be haves and have nots, Subject and ruler in one form or the other.
PotentialSeffectS 1 month ago
This video makes me happy im the pants.
99blackhorse99 1 month ago
best video ever
carlmasondrums 1 month ago
Why can't Christians get this through their brains >.>
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TJ, you upload a lot of videos and they are usually thought provoking and entertaining, but this is by far the best video you have ever uploaded in my opinion.
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Someone put this man on TED! Give him a PhD or SOMETHING!!
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That was fucking AWESOME!
I think that there is homo-erectus and homo-sapien. I believe that some people require hierarchy to function while others function best in equitable cooperatives.
I also think that we also need examine when hierarchy is best, when decisiveness is more important than equality. And when equality is more important than decisiveness.
There are simply too many stupid people who would injure the socially valuable to allow anarchy but we do not need fascism either.
UniversalPotentate 1 month ago
if there is no god. then who to say what is bad a judge. a bum you me...
TheKurtChaney 1 month ago
this is the most fucked up video iv ever seen.
TheKurtChaney 1 month ago
21:38 damn that bird is a bad ass rebel
GreenSight201 1 month ago
The ending is a bit disappointing :(
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 month ago
This video is easy to troll people with.
NotOrdinaryInGames 1 month ago
if he is fighting for this, then why does he hate buddhism? since buddhists believe to do right by your own views on right or wrong but then he hates it and says its evil.
MetalDoneMoreForME 1 month ago
@MetalDoneMoreForME Because Buddhism itself is a measurement of morality. I think Nietzsche said that Buddhism was the most positive of the nihilist movements even though it inevitable halted human creativity and happiness.
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JoeRingo118 1 month ago
you're a genius.
RIPCompanionCube 1 month ago
That will stay a dream, you're trying to change the nature of our whole system, humanity is not ready to give up all that
MrMunchhead 1 month ago
one of the best videos you've ever made.
Krauserowns 1 month ago
My thoughts exacty, man. I am amoral for reasons such as these.
151user 1 month ago
I've always decided for myself what i think is right or wrong, i don't listen to what other people tell me is moral or immoral.
Tinithor 1 month ago
Great stuff, man. Love it.
SummonedSong 1 month ago
Best video you ever did man. This is fucking.. Good stuff. You need to get to some convention as a speaker with this - don't confine this to youtube. I am a HIGHLY intelligent fella, and i usually agree with you and all, but this one really got me - i still agree, but it was just a string of thoughts that takes a genius to put together and make sense of. You'll earn a spot beside the likes of Hitchens and Dawkins one day - be sure of that.
Northernmight 1 month ago
i love the farside comic at aroun 2:00
PinkotAnim 1 month ago
This is boring. I'm bored now. And it goes on for almost 23 minutes.
ShayWilliamDawson1 1 month ago
@ShayWilliamDawson1 It's okay, there are video's like the annoying orange and sxephil's video's for simpleton's like you so you dont have to think.
jwhyte67 1 month ago
@jwhyte67 Another internet tough guy who knows nothing about the guy he is slamming. Dude, TJ is doing little more than recycling the stuff I learned in Intro to Philosophy 101 ... which I took the year he was born. I was teaching this stuff to incoming Freshmen when I was in grad school. I like TJ for the most part, but don't paint him as any wiser than he is.
ShayWilliamDawson1 1 month ago
@ShayWilliamDawson1 To be fair to me though in your message you came off as another ADD riddled nitwit berating the video for not being "hey look at me!" lowest common denominator entertaining. And I agree for the most part, while he makes some scintillating points here ultimately his conclusion is half-baked and naive
jwhyte67 1 month ago
If TJ runs for president, I will buy a ticket to America just to vote for him.
(And enjoy my time there afterwards but you get my oint)
TheRoflcer 1 month ago 51
@TheRoflcer If TJ becomes president... I'm a little scared of that idea, but open to it XD
CursedAbsol 1 week ago
I like your idea, TJ, but I experienced, that many people lost their empathy. So they wouldn't have any empathy to guide them. But great idea. Let's hope, it will be possible some day. =)
ThorsShadow 1 month ago
I am soooo ashamed of this video.
WHIREAS 1 month ago
My mom use to work at a senior home near the murrah building
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MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
Dawkins can not be expected to talk about every single topic with the same intelligence or logic he talks about certain topics that he knows more about,aside from that good vid.
philosophicalreason 1 month ago
By the way, McVey might have been a false flag to
blow up the evidence around boystown ... priests and politicians lust after
boys equally .. but the latter use officials as pimps and paper trails were kept
in that building.
poetpiet 1 month ago
if you can harangue for as long as 22m you obviously believe in schooling and
snarl yap sear n sound off at class, just like preachers do to congregations,
the competition you try so to deftly declare out of bounds, off side and
limits) .. - you have more talent w imagery. I don't want my anarchism
championed like you do.
poetpiet 1 month ago
You sound like a hippie retard.
MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
@MrMarktheJarhead And you sound like an uneducated bigot.
crunchmetal 1 month ago
@crunchmetal I'm a bigot? I'M a bigot? Fucking hypocrite, All I'm doing is defending my faith. What TheAmazingAsshole and all other intolerant atheists are doing is using logical fallacies and ignorant generalizations to attack a religion that is actually RENOWNED for its compassion. Ha, funny how CHRISTIANITY seems to be the only religion he insults. So ask yourself: who REALLY is the bigot?
MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
@MrMarktheJarhead There's a couple things wrong with this comment of yours. First of all, I didn't call you a bigot, I was just letting you know that you were coming off as one. Secondly, TAA attacks other religions as well (he has lots of videos on Islam). Lastly, the global perception of Christianity is not one of compassion, as zealous Christians are responsible for some of history's most non-compassionate deeds.
crunchmetal 1 month ago
@crunchmetal Well, TAA is still more of a bigot than I "come off as." Most of the things he says about Christians in general are only true for the evangelical, holier-than-thou, foot washing Baptist fundies. Like most atheists, he assumes that all of us reject evolution. I am a Catholic, and I learned about evolution at my CATHOLIC grade school, and it seems like a possible explanation for the development of life on Earth to me (with God at the helm). He also thinks that all Christians HATE homo
MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
@MrMarktheJarhead sexuals. Again, this only applies to the WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH. We Catholics don't HATE homosexuals, we just think that they're actions are wrong and that they should try control their desires. Plenty of people have lived fine celibate lives. Our priests do it all the time. Gays can do it too. TheAmazingAtheist is just an ignoramus with a fat ass and no dick. That anyone, even other evangelial atheists, could buy into his bullshit amazes me.
MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
@MrMarktheJarhead A bigot is one who is intolerant of any creed or doctrine other than their own. Now, it is very true TAA does make many statements that seem bigoted. But watch his video "Atheism Vs. Skepticism," wherein he explains that his reasons for believing what he believes are derived from open-minded evaluation of evidence. He also explains that should any belief offer compelling evidence to support it, he shall maintain an open mind towards its validity.
crunchmetal 1 month ago 19
@crunchmetal I nearly pissed myself laughing at "he explains that his reasons for believing what he believes are derived from OPEN-MINDED evaluation." If TheAmazingAtheist is open-minded, then Gwenyth Paltrow is the fattest bitch I've ever seen. Watch The Catholic Church: Sexier Than Ever and tell me HONESTLY that TAA is open-minded. I KNOW you'll fail.
MrMarktheJarhead 1 month ago
@MrMarktheJarhead What I am saying is that TAA judges the validity of things objectively, not that he is a generally open-minded dinner.
crunchmetal 1 month ago
Of course this is a very simplified version of the theory, but I hope it sparks discussion.
It is not often that I have the privilege to disagree with someone I agree with on many issues and consider to be a clear thinker, and I hope this is one of those rare occasions on which discussion can be truly challenging and enriching for both sides. Thanks.
deckardthereplicant 1 month ago
What I would like to point out directly, is that the basic premise on which you build your argument is factually incorrect, namely that an evolutionary biology account of human morality is incomplete as it only explains kindness and altruism.
The crux of the matter here is that cooperation is not a stable strategy. Parasites or 'cheaters' can arise in a cooperative society and take advantage of others. That's why, alongside a propensity to cooperate, moral outrage towards cheaters must evolve.
deckardthereplicant 1 month ago
Dear Amazing Atheist,
It is a very interesting argument you have put together here. I beg to disagree with it though, I am convinced we cannot do without enforceable codes of conduct, especially when it comes to restricting antisocial behavior. For a solid and well researched argument for rule of law and objective, systematyzed rules to govern social interaction in general I would simply recommend Steven Pinker's latest book, the Better Angels of Our Nature.
deckardthereplicant 1 month ago
I haven't ever eaten pork
Plasticplas1 1 month ago
PURE selfishness, when the kindness is forgotten and the more selfish impulses take over is responsible.
doombybbr 1 month ago
@doombybbr for part of it.
doombybbr 1 month ago
@doombybbr and i find it immoral to judge people without thinking about thinking about the RESULTS of their actions and why they did it.
doombybbr 1 month ago
@TheGalavantingGeeza: What's the characteristics? I don't feel human, I never felt human so, how are we human?
vluray18 2 months ago
Begins slow clap....
nickfranky 2 months ago
Freedom is illusion you are always a slave to something
no one can ever be truly free in the western world today.
wexa89 2 months ago
Timothy Mcveigh was a lone wolf, he worked alone
vluray18 2 months ago
I'm sorry but, how are we human? That is the question that still amazes me.
vluray18 2 months ago
@vluray18 How are we not? We are human, surely, in the same sense a dog is a dog. It is merely a clasification of our characteristics.
TheGalavantingGeeza 2 months ago
this is great, i agree with you but i do think that not allowing ourselves to do evil is still a product of trying to exist within a "caste" system, dont know if that made sense but, ah whatever
DXhardy831 2 months ago
One of your best videos, Amazing Atheist. I completely skipped this one for some reason, but looking at this has helped me feel better. I am still a spiritual person. I believe in what I want to believe for reasons purely for happiness and to know that death may not be the end. It's to have faith in greater things in existence rather than just the face value of things. I am not spiritual to derive morals from it, I already KNOW what is right or wrong, and that there is a line one must not cross.
Arkveveen 2 months ago
@NiceJokeROFL
Just because she doesn't yell at me doesn't mean that her act is of empathy. Empathy means to see the world through another person's eyes to sympathize with them. The reason my wife didn't yell at me wasn't because she cared about my feelings or saw this through my eyes, it was because she was just following a moral code that mandated "Don't yell at your husband." Just because there's no morality doesn't mean she'll have automatic empathy, empathy isn't mandated, unlike morality.
atheist357 2 months ago
...She's angry and yelling at you would benefit her, because you're the perfect scapegoat for letting out her frustration. She has no moral code to stop her so she yells at you. There's no "morality free empathy" here.
On the other hand, if she DOES have a moral code, she doesn't yell at you, because her moral code tells her to not to. And not yelling at you=act of empathy.
NiceJokeROFL 2 months ago
You gave a lot of examples how morality can be manipulated and used to control people. While this happens in many occasions, is this proper reason for dismissing morality as a subject matter?
Because if I don't have any sort of a moral code, then I live by 1 simple rule - I do whatever benefits me. You say that empathy=/=morality. Well, maybe, but it's impossible to completely disconnect them. Example - your wife comes home and there's a mess in the kitchen...
NiceJokeROFL 2 months ago
But if morality equals hierarchical societies like wolves, and we should lose our "shackles of morality", why do wolves outside the hierarchical societies die from, for example, starvation? They need to be in a pack to be able to function properly or all hell breaks loose and they die.
FLangevor 2 months ago
@FLangevor Working together does not equate to a hierarchal society. I think we naturally create hierarchies when we decide to work together, though.
TearsOfWar1 1 month ago
kk thanks, im gonna go rape a bitch now.
50centpb7 2 months ago
This is so true. Well done, so well done.
elnoraemily 2 months ago
6:18 wtf.... ghost?? xD
But this video is extraordinary as usual, good job TJ :3
soulsistah102 2 months ago
Told you it was a good source! If you watched this for your philosophy class, you already know who I am. Now go write your paper!
Musicfacts 2 months ago
Cave men developed morals. Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you or get your head smashed in ie moral development.
baxtar2012 2 months ago
everyone should jstu copy and paste this to there face book twitter or whatever so it gets more views
halloweenfan92 2 months ago
philosophy,morality SCREW IT I WILL FUCK EVERYTHING I SEE
Abbadon380 2 months ago
Simply brilliant. I would love to see T.J. in a conversation with Dawkins and Harris. It would be quite compelling.
womanlybassplayer 2 months ago
"The great epochs of our life come when we gain the courage to rechristen our evil as what is best in us."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
This is still one of my favorite videos of TJ's, even after being subscribed for going on three years.
JeffroTheMan1 3 months ago
Lovely video. Read the lucifer principle recently, tj?
TheAnteMatter 3 months ago
14:20 I was waiting for one of them to have an umbrella, lol
Chrona876 3 months ago
like if you you paused at 1:09
Skaielements 3 months ago
396 people should explain why they disagree.
anythingnew 3 months ago 23
lets all be alphas! great vid!
georgio210 3 months ago
I adored this video, TJ. Great job.
TheSoulsCore 3 months ago
This is one of the best amazing atheist videos ...!
awesome arguments and views presented
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Why is there a Bible degree add up in the corner of my atheist video?
xArchAngeL01x 4 months ago
Only got halfway through and it froze on me (internet is fine all day but somehow sucks at home) now I have enough internet to post this comment but not to watch the video, been frozen for like 5 minutes now. But it is worth watching again so I look forward to it tomorrow. Love your work, keep it up.
08codys90 4 months ago
14:30 Girly little me got scared :<, I looked behind me.
SilaconYT 4 months ago
I have had the same thoughts about morality and overall human nature in general. Well said good sir.
brianb338 4 months ago
well said man
carltehking 4 months ago
this video was brilliant.
cainedbutabel 4 months ago
I love you...
patrickbohannon 4 months ago
this fat faggot hasn't changed shit.
DeadIslandTrailers 4 months ago
@DeadIslandTrailers And what have you done?
Brazilboy101 4 months ago
@DeadIslandTrailers Kindly go choke on your own shit and die you worthless fuck. No one cares about your opinion. I hope I put that simply enough for somone like you to understand :)
mocha5512 4 months ago
I find it ironic that in most of these videos there's an advertisement for finding God or Jesus.
ThorandTrevor 4 months ago
@ThorandTrevor I keep getting this add for religious degrees. It strikes me as hilarious.
elnoraemily 2 months ago
Fuck morals. I have anal sex with underage white girls and eat my cheeseburgers medium rare. Anybody who thinks that my actions are wrong can suck my huge negro wang.
sylarwins 5 months ago
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Perhaps it is I who am misunderstanding something when saying this, but I feel as if TJ has misunderstood where Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are coming from. They do believe you use your own empathy to decide what is right and wrong; not solely empathy, but empathy together with logic and facts. Neurology fits into the picture because it can provide facts, like quantifying the suffering caused by water-boarding. Yes, it has the potential to add a real objective component to the moral....
mellamosean 5 months ago
Perhaps it is I who am misunderstanding something when saying this, but I feel as if TJ has misunderstood where Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris are coming from. They do believe you use your own empathy to decide what is right and wrong; not solely empathy, but empathy together with logic and facts. Neurology fits into the picture because it can provide facts, like quantifying the suffering caused by water-boarding. Yes, it has the potential to add a real objective component to the moral....
mellamosean 5 months ago
what the hell does al sharpton know about morality,he has never had a real job in his life.all he has done is jump on the band wagon for a free ride everytime some b.s. happened.he jump on that stupid tawana fiasco back in the day,and it was all a lie.i wonder what his platform is now..since we have a black president..he cant blame the white man for anything now.
MrEnlightenup 5 months ago
wow that was your best video, what an amazing perspective
fallenempireoverdrve 5 months ago
Lovely video. Interesting and inspirational.
baahhhFATALITY11 5 months ago 2
Best video TJ has done yet.
kphilpott77 5 months ago 34
thers no SOUL.the term soul was made in hellas some 9000 years BC!.first fact that proves that is a script and a sign that had the same poem made by a hellenic poet named as sapfo.that woman was the first also to write that her 'heart'wants and love a man.since then it remained saying BS like 'my heart is urs ,u stole my heart and that stuff'' analyse and search the term and idea and origin of the term soul ull see that was a hellenic invention made thousand years BC by human brains 4 many rsons
itachiitachi1946 5 months ago
if you are an atheist and thus predisposed to believing everything is a function of the brain, what do we do with people whose brains cannot process empathy? Or are you being ironic? I can't keep up.
smitc21 5 months ago
@smitc21 People who cannot process empathy (I take it you are talking about sociopaths) follow a different moral code based on the part of their brain that is formed in a different way. Their morals are wrong to us because our brains process guilt and empathy different, while their morals are perfectly normal to them. Does that answer the question? If not, please expand and I will try to answer your question.
elnoraemily 2 months ago
"A society where rapitsts florish" Wow, I want that, what do I have to do that this society becomes reality?
Freistaat1918 6 months ago
I think this is yet the best video he has made
ScAgCoWbOy 6 months ago 2
One of the best videos I've ever seen!!!
MassEffectSoulRipper 6 months ago
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MassEffectSoulRipper 6 months ago
@nactan Because we are not free souls. We are bound to morality by the governing body.
l337popsicle 6 months ago
Ah first world story problem.
faithm 6 months ago
Realty to us is based soley on our enviorment and culture. - From a Muslim.
ImmunityFighter 7 months ago
I think all of us need a place in life, and without that, we're not sure where to go, what to do, what to be... I know myself, i am still searching for what i am to be, without roles to guide us, a person can spend their life bouncing from one job to another, not making any real progress becoming confused... frustrated, until finally the person either gives up, or finds themselves in a dead in job, with no future... which is a life i would not wish on my worst enemy...
Jshaw71 7 months ago
i normaly hate ur fat face but this is great
MrDirrtyg 7 months ago
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Jude 15 tells us: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. vs. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
moseseseseses 7 months ago
This video is wonderful.
SlyFox616 7 months ago
Morality are comments on the direction your life is taking you. If you want to go from L.A. to Miami the quickest way possible; then going South is WRONG. If you want to go to Heaven then murder is WRONG. If you want revenge the murder might be RIGHT. the morality of any action depends on the intended destination( i.e. the fulfillment of some desire) of an individual.
WaySide66 8 months ago
Gr8!
minimoviesstudio 8 months ago
This video is pretty much the philosophical basis for social anarchism.
FilmStudentWannabe 8 months ago
I love how his conclusion resembles liberalism. :-)
mmaarrkkuuss1515 8 months ago
@mmaarrkkuuss1515 Liberalism embraces collective ideals such as gender, race, and creed as being separate but equal. He is touting nothing like collectivism. He is calling for us to go against hierarchy in social construct. Liberalism clings to morality as its rock to support its collectivist ideals. He says we should drop this structure, forget morality as its ever been, embrace personal ethics, that as humans we are inherently equal and different, to be aware as individuals not a tribe.
Jebs24 7 months ago
@Jebs24 Your description of liberalism is actually socialism. The word "liberal" is misused in USA.
Liberalism allows people to live their lives according to their own morals, which is exactly what this clip is about. In history people have used their liberty to discriminate, because they thought it was morally right. Now people talk against discrimination, because they think it is morally wrong. This video is about how people force their morals upon others as if they were objectively correct.
mmaarrkkuuss1515 6 months ago
@mmaarrkkuuss1515 I guess i can concede on that, But of course one must agree, even if it is from misuse, the public at large defines the terms and gives them truer popular meaning. That is how language works. I'm not saying that in my defense really, just sayin'. Thanks though for correcting, because I do agree with it all in the end, just used to the misuse of liberalism I guess. Though I still think this would be popularly aligned with civil libertarianism in the states.
Jebs24 6 months ago
Omega wolf= the pack's bitch
You= Morality's bitch
got it
iCHARRLZ 8 months ago 3
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if you understand this then you don't need to watch this video: WHO IS JOHN GALT?
spencemace 8 months ago
also, i don't see why a free soul wouldn't freely blow up sapient government livestock as a free act of vengeance.
nactan 8 months ago
what if the science DEMANDS that we set the soul free by CONTROLLING society to bring about individual freedom?
nactan 8 months ago 3
freedom from irony?
nactan 8 months ago
TJ, why don't you make videos like this any more? I'm sorry, but you have nearly sunk to the level of a liberal Glenn Beck. Not quite, though.
AsokIntern 8 months ago
Great vid! Thanks.
mbbm13 8 months ago
I wish that the reality that TJ presented at the end of the video could be realized, but I doubt that it will ever exist in our species.
Yeard491 8 months ago
TJ, your argument is so cogent that it's actually given me some ideas for writing an AI program based on moral units
Zotoaster 8 months ago
so you advocate being abnormal,(whatever that is?) fOR THAT MATTER WHAT IS NORMAL? Never equate normal as moral and abnormal as immoral NEVER!!
ricglos 9 months ago
@ricglos Thumb up.
Cacowninja 8 months ago
One of the vest videos I have ever seen.
BlackoutArchive 9 months ago
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Spiritual salvation is the gift of God. You cannot earn it. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; & that not of yourselves,it is a gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."Ephesians 2:8,9. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, & shall believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,thou shall be saved". Romans 10:9.
God says that if you deny Him, He will deny you. He also says that mans wisdom is foolishness to Him. Godbless
LordJesusChristtruth 9 months ago
Morality comes from latin mores, that means habits, behaviour. They change with time and space because they are NOT absolute. You are responsable for your behavior. People that cannot think for themselves need somebody else to tell them what to think and how to act. Those are the religious people... If you have a brain and you thrust it then you don't need religion!
ilFattoSettimanale 9 months ago
@ilFattoSettimanale or maybe you become religion of ur own!
lordflanderwell 7 months ago
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WHIREAS 9 months ago
1:00 the left one.
TheDinocam 10 months ago
Now I want pork.
AsifIcarebear3 10 months ago
anyone else think the image at 11:53 looks like the firefox logo?