you can tell the way the letters come at you and get larger that this is important. But then they switch it up by making them get smaller! I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE!!!
LOL All AA is Sinners helping others the 12 steps came out of the Bible Its amazing how people blame everyone else for their problems The one thing takes makes everyone a sinner is Pride we are powerless over that (everyone on the face of the planet ) You cant stop yourself from judging but you can catch self after words. Thats the sin that we cant stop ourselves from doing which is comparing and judging Im 2 yrs sober i catch myself doing it almost allt he time
you know what proves aa's failure rate? the meetings are like bars. the home groups being akin to a bar. say you hung out in this bar and you came back after five years to have a drink. most likely you will find the same core of drunks. same thing with a home group. hundreds of people will come and go over the years but the same core will be there. very creepy. this fact proves aa's failure rate.
If the same "core of drunks" would be there after 5 years, which means they would have been sober for 5 more years, yet that proves failure? How? They now have 5 years more sobriety.
If someone doesn't work the AA program, of course they are likely to get drunk. But how does the failure of someone to work the AA program prove AA's failure rate?
After all, if I'm in college and fail my classes because I don't participate, do I blame the college, or ME?
@WKHalford the program has a terrible sucess rate. we must come up with other alternatives to aa to help addicts. programs that are accessible to people where ever they might live.
@rjplamf61 the program has a terrible sucess rate. we must come up with other alternatives to aa to help addicts. programs that are accessible to people where ever they might live.
@teg598 I'm weak? Well, I haven't drank for 3 years and 4 months. A weak alcoholic would still be drinking, correct?
And you "have no fucking idea what a weak ass coward like you talks about when you say money in a mtg", yet you were the one that mentioned AA "is for money". So you admit talking about something you know nothing about?
I'm a loser, yet it's you that can't talk without cursing, that can't communicate without using vulgarity?
@teg598 AA "is for money"? How? Some people give no money in a meeting. Most only give a dollar in each meeting. I've been to meetings where there was less than $20 given, with more than 20 people in the room.
So how is that being "for money" when there isn't much money given?
@WKHalford "AA itself says it's not a religion"...The terms "spiritual experience" and "spiritual awakening" are used many times in this book which, upon careful reading, shows that the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism has manifested itself among us in many different forms. Yet it is true that our first printing gave many readers the impression that these personality changes, or religious experiences, must be in the nature of sudden and spectacular upheavals.
continued: Most of our experiences are what the psychologist William James [in his book The Varieties of Religious Experience] calls the "educational variety" because they develop slowly over a period of time. The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, page 569.
@riptorn311 You told me I was stuck on the term religion, that AA is a cult (even though I used both terms), yet now you are using the term religion. So which is it?
I gave several good points as to why AA is neither, and you didn't seem to specifically address any of them.
Although there may be a few loosely defined similarities to religion, AA itself is not a religion. There are no priests, bishops, pope, preachers, presbytery, etc.
12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people. Citizens are cult members. They support the violence used against them like Battered wife syndrome
@WKHalford Saying that they are not a religion is just a bait and switch tactic. That much is easy to see. Here is nice little snipit from the 12 and 12..." Many a man like you has BEGUN to solve the problem by the method of substitution. You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your ‘higher power.’"...Notice the word "begun"...Meaning that ultimately, your "higher power" will be the same as ours. Just continue reading chapter 2 of the 12 and 12 to see what I'm talking about.
@riptorn311 QUOTE: "Many a man like you has BEGUN to solve the problem by the method of substitution. You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your ‘higher power." UNQUOTE
Notice, if you will, that it says "MANY", and not "ALL".
This is an experience of many individuals that at first were Agnostic or Atheist. I've heard individuals giving testimony since I've been in AA that validate this.
The 12 & 12 was written quite a few years after the Big Book, and has quite a few individual experiences.
@WKHalford Another great snipit from the 12 and 12 (the recruiters handbook): "Let’s look first at the case of the one who says he won’t believe—the belligerent one. He is in a state of mind which can be described only as savage"...Wow, so all non-believers are belligerent and in a savage state of mind. Another snipit: "Religion says the existence of God can be proved; the agnostic says it can’t be proved; and the atheist claims proof of the nonexistence of God"....WRONG AGAIN!!!
@riptorn311 QUOTE: " "Let’s look first at the case of the one who says he won’t believe—the belligerent one. He is in a state of mind which can be described only as savage"...Wow, so all non-believers are belligerent and in a savage state of mind." UNQUOTE
No, it does NOT say ALL non-believers are belligerent. It's referring to raging alcoholic who has trouble with belief in a higher power. Raging alcoholics tend to be that way whether believer or not.
@WKHalford Take a look at the history again. AA came from the Oxford group and Buchmans religious ideas. Dr. Frank Buchman believed that the age of miracles had returned and people could have direct, personal access to God, that people could be "changed", and that confession was necessary for "change". Frank Buchman also declared that people were essentially weak and sinful "defeated by sin", he called it and that only "surrender to God" and becoming totally "controlled by God" would save them.
@riptorn311 QUOTE: " "Religion says the existence of God can be proved; the agnostic says it can’t be proved; and the atheist claims proof of the nonexistence of God"....WRONG AGAIN!!!" UNQUOTE
And why is that wrong? Although brief and maybe a bit simplistic, those definitions are quite accurate. So tell me, why are they wrong?
Several things that separate AA from religions or cults:
(1) In the Big Book (I can't find the page number), it says to use what religions have to offer. NEITHER cult NOR religion will ever tell you to look at what another religion has to offer. But AA does.
(2) Although AA encourages prayer to a higher power, nowhere does it worship any higher power or individual. But cults and religions do.
(3) AA doesn't try to keep you from the cult or religion of your choice.
@riptorn311 No, because I used both words, and what I responded to could apply to either. And AA has been accused of being either.
And doctrine is very much part of either.
And part of what I addressed is indeed behavior, such as when I stated "AA doesn't try to keep you from the cult or religion of your choice."
Either way, being that AA has helped so many to get sober, what would it matter if it's a religion or cult? But there is no evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt to call AA either.
Well put. The problem with identifying the problems with AA doctrine is that for every crazy claim there's a countervailing "reasonable" reassurance to soften the blow. For every "those who cannot or will not give themselves over to this simple program...(are) constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves" there's a "these are only suggestions", "just our experience", "take what you want and leave the rest" to make it seem less scary. Very manipulative & duplicitous.
@zyxwut321 "these are only suggestions"...Then they do a bait and switch and tell you that if you DON'T follow their suggestions you are doomed to death. These "suggestions" come from your sponsor who is reading from the sponsors handbook "the 12 and 12". Most newcomers never see that book. Why is that? Because most people don't make it to the point of sponsoring other people. I myself was in AA for a year and after 6 months my sponsor told me that I was "ready" to be a sponsor. The 12 & 12...
(4) Some religions and cults will threaten to kill or other harm if you associate with or convert to another religion/cult. Islam is known for this. AA does NOT do this.
(5) AA has no religion-like/cult-like organizational structure.
(6) AA doesn't tell members how much $ to give. Meeting attendees usually give $1, a few $2, some ZERO. Could you ever imagine a religion like Roman Catholicism tolerating this?
@WKHalford Bully tactics towards those who leave (to the point of even having terminology to supposedly support their failed arguments, such as "DRY DRUNK", are cultlike tactics. Saying one can use "the group itself" as their "higher power" is rather cultlike.
Cult or not, these people destroy lives, which is discrediting enough to their methodology.
@LexeconKiddo Bully tactics? I've NEVER seen anyone bullied in AA. NEVER. rowing up, I saw people bullied in school, on thhe playground, etc. THAT is what is known as bullied. I have NEVER seen bullying going on in AA.
And I've NEVER seen AA destroy lives. In fact, those that stick around long enough to stay sober have quite productive lives.
And yes, although still a human power, a group of people is, in a way, a higher power. Just like a judge and jury is a higher power in a court room.
@WKHalford I respect that our experiences have been extremely different, and it's not the majority of people in AA/NA who don't do this that bothers me as much (unless they're just going through what I have). Let's just say that the only reason I ever even think about 12 step programs & members is the fact that I block FB users & email addys weekly due to harassment. It began as merely confounding, but being harassed online because one no longer will even go to meetings, this is sick.
@LexeconKiddo If they are harassing you, they are in the wrong. AA itself is based on attraction rather than promotion and other principles that forbid AA members from harassing you. Those that do so aren't practicing AA principles in all their affairs.
On the other hand, look at how teg598 addressed me. Isn't that bullying and harassment? He doesn't do a good job of representing you and those that agree with you. Although I didn't just stand down and take his BS, I was quite tolerant of him.
@WKHalford Well, they did. And they are also not merely citizens but employees at a 12 step based treatment center who sent letters to my physicians, whose names I never gave. Some are simply steppers, also. I know they're in the wrong, but they also serve as sponsors, service workers. I can stand their completely baseless accusations, but it doesn't mean they're free of responsibility or denunciation by those "in the program". This is just my beef, and I'm glad you're willing to see that side;)
@WKHalford Yes, it is bullying to some degree--but no one makes us come to these comment sections. That user doesn't have your phone #, #s for your family members as well as email addresses, etc. I agree, don't take the BS of anyone who's bothering you, but I don't grant the power to effect me to people here. I always appreciate those willing to be polite and civil, even those I don't agree with. Trolls do exist though, & people who speak merely in reaction to their anger. Peace;)
When I'd had enough of AA (to me it was more a prayer group than a support group), I found it hard to break the habit of going to AA meetings. If you're in that position, I suggest that you Google this: YouTube Deprogramming Oneself From Alcoholics Anonymous. It's just one of many videos on the subject that helped me break my meeting habit. I'm currently at 925 consecutive days sober, and far happier than I was during my year in AA.
"A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution" Flat out lie. Dr. Bob Smith founder of AA was a freemason therefore there is a definite affiliation with another cult.
@beautifulmind546 And regardless of what Dr. Bob was affiliated with 50+ years ago OUTSIDE of AA, the FACT still stands that AA is in NO way affiliated with Freemasonry now. Show me the link between AA and Freemasonry NOW, in the present day. You can't.
It amazes me how people will dig up insignificant information (whether real or not), and then use it to make a totally moot point. Or even make a point that is less than moot because it's not true at all.
@WKHalford The link is in the similar cult programming that keeps alcoholics not recovered but stuck in their delusional beliefs of being victims of a disease keeping them self absorbed and narcissistic needing to stay in AA in order to validate thie BS with other members. It is pretty significant information when you think of it in terms of mind control and cult programming.
@beautifulmind546 But that wasn't what you said before. You said it is because Dr. Bob was a Freemason, having to do with AA being associated with Freemasonry as a result. A distinct difference between what you said then, and what you say now.
And it's not just AA that says it's a disease. The American Medical Association also calls it a disease.
@beautifulmind546 It amazes me that you would accuse me of not thinking properly, especially when I have clearly made quite a few points in quite a few comments in response to this video.
In fact, I made some analogies about your response concerning Freemasonry that explains how Dr. Bob's supposed Freemasonry membership (assuming he WAS a Mason) doesn't necessarily make your claim valid.
You said in your last post "THE link", meaning ONE link, not two. So I responded accordingly.
@beautifulmind546 And regardless, AA and Freemasonry are NOT affiliated today, regardless of whether Dr. Bob was a Mason or not, regardless of whether they were 50+ years ago or not.
Besides, the Traditions were written in 1951, which was the year AFTER Dr. Bob died, and copyrighted in 1952. So I think it's safe to say that Dr. Bob didn't violate the Traditions by being a Mason. He couldn't have been a Mason after the traditions were written by the simple fact that he was dead by then.
I think it's funny AA's def of dry drunk only applies to those who have not worked the steps because it seems like it could apply to a majority of those who did work the steps. Most 12 steppers seem to shapeshift into someothing resembling a tyranical god who see's themself superior over the universe.
@maddogmargetts1 My in depth experience is three members of my family all drunks all go to AA for recovery. One has been in AA for over 30 years and she is the biggest dry drunk tyrant of them all even though she sponsors like 15 ppl at any given time. See I'm not a drunk like you but have been inflicted with AA anyway. I have been to plenty of meetings with family, read the big book and have done tons of research on this BS cult. Answer your question?
@beautifulmind546 so your 3 family members are like all the other millions of AA members then are they? How do you know what kind of drunk I am? You are projecting your own experience onto me without the faintest idea if it's relevent or not. Just reading the big book does not mean a thing. A comparison : there are many fundamentalist christians in the US but US fundamentalism has nothing to do with christianity and is a dangerous cult. Agreed?
@maddogmargetts1 my three family members and the literally thousands of others I met through them through AA. Over the last decade I have been firsthand witness to deaths (drink related) countless returns to alcohol, health related concerns to transference of addiction and the own continued strife in my family due to non healing perpetuated by the cult of AA so NO... not agreed. This program is not only a failure but a huge disservice to family members who have hoped for healing and sobriety
And obviously if you are supporting AA, you are a recovering drunk. You will justify it's validity every bit as much as you justified your reasons to drink. You won't question what you are brainwashed to believe...
@maddogmargetts1 I do have the "ability" to listen. I refuse to listen to cult programming disguised as healing any further. If you have something to offer other than AA cult programming go for it.
@beautifulmind546 this particular youtube question was concerning AA which is why we are talking about AA. Would you care to discuss what you think is the cure for your own life problems?
@maddogmargetts1 I don't have any life problems other than having to watch the train wreck that is my family because they can never just take responsibility for their CHOICES. AA helps them to continually avoid that.
@maddogmargetts1 Well, seeing as your the drunk in this conversation listen up as you might learn something... a selfish, self absorbed, narcissistic, irresponsible, tyrant is typically a problem for anyone and everyone they come into contact with. Maybe you aren't aware of that but it's time you and others like yourself should be. And instead of skating by in the cult of AA or masonry really own your shit, deal with t and heal from it so we don't have to be bothered by your toxicity another day
@beautifulmind546 ...and yet you are the one who is pouring out your toxicity onto me. I have not done any of that to you. You are off on your projecting again....I AM NOT YOUR FAMILY. I am another person in another country who you don't know. Are you going to get that through your thick head or not?
@maddogmargetts1 Deny this... you are a drunk, you are a member of AA and you in some way think favorably of freemasonry. No you are not my family, never said you were but you know what? You are the same breed and it really only takes knowing one drunk to know pretty much all of them. When are you going to get into your thick head that a drunk is a drunk is a drunk and I have no doubt that plenty have had to suffer you as I have had to suffer my family.
@beautifulmind546 You are simply incapable of having a civilised conversation. You have no idea what life is all about and you project your own subjective ill-thought out nonsense on everyone else because you have suffered a bit at the hands of others. You are so childish and offer nothing but silly immature bitterness. I suggest you grow up. Don't bother writing any more, you bore me and I will not be reading further. I assume you are American...so utterly devoid of any intelligence
@DJLunasf That's right. AA is for the weak. Thats why we go there. just "waking up" is not an option. Dont you think we tried that one? Your profound advise is amazing "wean off the sauce and wake the hell up...." mmmm such well thought out therapeutic intervention there. I'm afraid you are really not old enough to be discussing these matters with adults so I suggest you finish learning your alphabet and 5 times table before you take on anything more complex
@maddogmargetts1 That is basically a cop out. Go ahead and tell us how you are a victim of a disease so that you don't have to take any real ownership for being a drunk...
@beautifulmind546 Alcoholism is not a disease according to medical definitions of what constitutes a disease. I am not a victim. What are you doing here? I see no intellectual exchange, no sharing of ideas just you trying to "have a go" because of your own lack of ability to cope.
@maddogmargetts1 You are right, I won't cope any further with the farce AA is. Everyone has a right to know. It needs to stop being court ordered recovery, people in the program DO need to WAKE UP and see that they have been duped and are not really recovered. If you don't like my comments then go on being a yes, VICTIM. If you need AA then that is what you are essentially.
@maddogmargetts1 "goo goo. gaa gaa. oochy coochy coo. Is baby not well then?"
<lol and you are suggesting that I grow up. And this is your way of having a civilized conversation? I can see that the program of AA is working really well for you.
all this criticism just makes out people to be innocent victims who are so sensitive and innocent they are open to abuse from these sober people who just want to egocentrically dominate the world. Pathetic, do you really think that having, potentially, influence over a handful of nobodies in a backwater unheard of town makes people think that there's some mass conspiracy to take over the world! Stop being so weak and if you don't like AA, don't bloody go, no-one is forcing you,
@maddogmargetts1 LOL actually consider that Dr. Bob Smith was a freemason there might be something to the conspiracy theory! But most of you 12 steppers aren't aware of that fact are you?
@beautifulmind546 so what if he was a freemason? Do tell me what you have against freemasons now then. What are you calling me a 12 stepper for? You don't even know me. Try to think outside of the script for goodness sake.
@maddogmargetts1 It's pretty simple if you know about Freemasonry as they are about pyramid schemes, deceit in spiritual concepts and protecting their own. It makes perfect sense such a power hungry lemming would design such a cult as AA.
@beautifulmind546 It'spossible he was power hungry, I have no idea. You obviously do not know about freemasonary though. Have you studied the Qabbala? This is the system at the base of their spirituality. Do tell me what you know of it because I have the feeling you are mixing them up with someone else.
@maddogmargetts1 I do know about freemasonry. I know about what they project as well as what they do behind the scenes. Sure studied the Qabbala and your point? Freemasonry is behind nearly all religious/ spiritual beliefs except for the ones it's members tried to genocide throughout history. Let me guess, not only are you a follower of the cult of AA but the cult of masonry too. And you call me simple minded? LAFF!
Cults do not necessarily need a leader. Before posting ignorant comments, perhaps you should use a dictionary. I really hate stupid people; however, you are absolutely correct. As long as there is some ideology designed to attract the weak minded, chemically induced or innate, there will be sheep. If you are looking for a "leader" try Bill Wilson. Although dead now, that doesn't stop Christians or Muslims, from having faith in a deceased leader. Believe in the person in the mirror.
Usually Cults have leaders last time i been to a meeting i didnt really see any leaders Shutting down AA would be like shutting down the catholic church or christianity . U take out all the liqour and beer in the world but then youd still have people making there own booze. As there as there is Alcohol there will be alcoholics and as long as there is alcoholics there will be AA This whole AA bashing is pretty flattering though.
@TheMarkTheShark86 Hari krishna s no longer have a leader but noone denies theyre a cult. They have organised themselves into global zones, carving up the world and distributing it amongst their heirarchal elite. They in turn act autonomously, disseminating thier flawed message, brainwashing their zealous disciples with unsubstantiated promises. Sound familiar?
AA is for weak people with weak minds incapable of thinking for themselves. They surrender their identity and beliefs to people incapable of thinking for themselves. Morons who killed so many brain cells all cognitive reason is lost. I quit smoking without a group, meetings, 12 steps, uneducated people telling me how to think, or surrendering myself to some "higher power". All you AA fruitcakes can feel free to leave planet earth on the next comet. Don't forget your sippy cups of alcohol.
@jakeupgeese u quit smoking? Good you. But a cigarette wont cuz you to blackout and have killing someone and remembering. If you had a clue about what your talkin about youd know your as weak minded as me . They aint talking about being powerless over alcohol. The problem isnt the alcohol at all its the person. You are powerless over your thinking and ur emotions just as well.U cant stop yourself from getting angry no more than an alcoholic Ur even powerless over getting AA out of your head lol
@TheMarkTheShark86 addiction research has shown that quitting smoking greatly reduces relapse risk, that and my health is why I quit tobacco...powerless over thinking and emotions eh? CULTSPEAK.
HAHAHAHAHA Dumbass dont even know the meaning of a cult F>U AA has saved the lifes of many of my friends n myself...I respect your decision in disagreeing with the program but please don't call it a cult call it what it is a life saver so whenever you or one of your loved ones sucking COCK for a hit or drink you will cry for help n the only people on this planet to save you will be them crazy ass AA people
@alejandres85 What spiiritual principle were you practicing when you concocted this cantakerous tripe? I see you are the epitome of 12 step serenity. Charming. Keep it up, You prove the point of AA as faux spirituality and zealous christian fundementalists.
it is a cult. I speak as a "normie" of family members in the cult. what drinking constantly nearly ruined our family, AA has finished it off. So much seperation, unresolved, unhealed issues and dry drunks who arrogantly see themselves as superior for staying sober and in AA preaching and manipulating those of us for who sobriety is a given. Glad others are seeing this.
@beautifulmind546 The arrogant grandisoity is astounding by these so-called Spiritual People. Try debating these people ffs it's like debating born-again christians,
@sirmcgowington Even a non alcoholic would want to drink themselves to black out after 2 minutes of this video. And as for those who see fit to put this stuff up, either they are resentful alcoholics with major resentments to AA in which case they might drink again or non alcoholics in which case why the fascination with AA??? . AA saves lives. Fact. This kind of shit is at best a waste of space and at worse can kill real alcoholics by turning them away from something that can save their lives.
Um ignorante desses acaba fazendo com que centenas de pessoas que podem se recuperar do alcolismo deixem de fazê-lo. Se não tem algo de útil a dizer, cale-se!
no the truth is YOU and the cult are victimizing people everyday. You know its true, or else this wouldn't bother you. I have never met more rapists, thieves, batterers, and child molesters until I went to aa. The truth WILL be revealed.
I was told to imagine turning my will over to my home group as my higher power as I'm an atheist. I put the image of my group in my mind but the problem is I get stuck on one thing. There is this hot DD breasted chick in the group. I can't take my mind off her. I find myself in physical meditation at that point. It gets hard at that point & I can't "Let go and let God". Sometimes I meditate all day. Is this how it is supposed to work? Her breasts are a power greater then me.
why do people feel the need to bash the program that saved mine and many friends lives. Go to a meeting and see for yourself. There are no rituals or requirements. And as in any large group of people there are bound to be some sick bastards. Just look for those living good lives around the program, not the crazies who live in it. God Bless
mettam askes "why do people feel the need to bash a progrm that saved his life?
becasue it has taken many good people's lives. it has promised help when it has only abuse to offer.
your question is like asking why do people put down stalin, when he was good to some of the Russian people. answer becasue the harm outweighs the good.; many times over.
wow this is a true story. I probably wouldnt believe it if I hadent been a member of AA at one point, but sadly ridiculous stories like these are the norm in AA.
Whoo hoo the child molester has finally entered the building. Is it little boy or little girls this week? And about your PM, no I do not want to have sex with you. Stop stalking me I ma not like you.
3. My life operates just fine. I have plenty of the things I need, to make commentary that was not lies you would actually have to know me. You are an arrogant fool and a dirty child molester, that's what Crazy Meds told me.
4. Thanks for taking to time to vandalize my other videos that have nothing to do with your dying death cult. Now I wonder who the looser is?
Wow, all the american sad sacks are even up at this time of night obsessing about aa or people who belong to it.Logging in to their multiple accounts.Watching depressing anti aa films.
AA made me feel suicidal, AA gave me piles, AA kills people and i dont like it.
AA is the cause of all my problems so i sit and be a sad sack and make films about it.
Poor Jill. I am always surprised at how much people love their pets. I seriously, seriously laughed. Comments on production: Text movement was annoying, got overly repetitive, and was too fast to read sometimes; great music; try incorporating pictures. I hope Jill is happy and perhaps got a new cat.
I have give my telephone number , locality and the area of meetings i attend.I have nothing to hide from you or your sad sack friends.
what is your problem with the fact that i have money? Lots of people have money .
I have no desire to vist the usa as it dosent interest me.I prefer countrys with culture and history.
Did you know that about two thirds of americans dont have passports because they are so insular ? It can be because of poverty being a rich nation financially
Kev has it occured to you that we are windin you up, you are still showing signs of your addiction by keep fighting us, you are trying to take control and trying to get a different effect like you did with your addiction which means your insane, you have Xaddicted to us by fighting us the same way that you was doing with your drink and drugs :-)
your an addict that has no balance and the only way you will get balance is not by handing you shit over and by being a control freak like most in AA are, right I am Xaddicting to fucking my bitch then a game on gears of war, sure your still be here tomorrow so argue with you then cutey :-) x
Your comments are in the same vein as the majority of other idiots on here who assume most things the whinge and bleat like sheep when they get the same returned.Assumptions assumptions assumptions.
Did you google all thise words to appear intellectually superior, which is the way most of you act, probably based on some inferiority complex.Youre a complete sucker and in terms if being a victim , as i have said i didnt get to where i am from where i come being a victim.HARD WORK AND COMMON SENSE
No you have done such a wonderful job at being a chicken shit self important prick that it would appear that a great many people do not like you and that is your fault.
It would also appear seeing that you are unwilling to use your sissy passport and your fake ass money to come and see me to get your as beat like it should be. Maybe I should use mine?
Stooping? You mean like sending vile sexist comments to the women on this board? Does that make you feel like a big man to badger women?
What i would also like to add is i have had a week arguing with various people on here which i cant say is the best hours i have spent .
How do you lot make a life of it? after all you sad sacks do this week in week out and you cant deny it because i saw the same people arguing a couple of months back when i came here.
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Kev, you got it right!
See how they hammered you with little thumbs down. They can't handle the truth so they play little kid games giving pluses to themselves and thumbs down to someone who disagrees.
Kevy - You seem to have a fascination with cocks, do you like to suck them? You'll probably lie about it anyway, we will let your fascination speak for itself.
I retired years ago what the fuck is taking you so long? Ugly are you some kind of stalking homo too to go along with your cross dressing midget self?
I'll let you go so you can go have sex with your mother.
Keep going dumbass you are making every point made by any anti-aa'er right to a T. We like you because you are dumb. Dumber than a second coat of paint.
you have a lot of will power Kev, you had enough to get your drink, you had enough to get your drugs, you had enough to do boxing and enough to keep up with us on here so why none to quit, its because you wanted forgiveness and an easy way out was'nt it, you take no responsabily for your actions your evil :-)
Maturity requires resposibility which you guys know nothing about.
You have a total inability to see yourselves as you really are which is why you fail to realise i am only mirroring your behaviour.The fact is i have had the courage to look at the dark side of my nature at deeper and deeper levels through therapy and not just the 12 steps i might hasten to add.
Forgiveness of oneself comes through the process and that is all that concerns me.I have my own sense of value inherently
you can tell the way the letters come at you and get larger that this is important. But then they switch it up by making them get smaller! I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK ANYMORE!!!
crackpipekid2 2 months ago
LOL All AA is Sinners helping others the 12 steps came out of the Bible Its amazing how people blame everyone else for their problems The one thing takes makes everyone a sinner is Pride we are powerless over that (everyone on the face of the planet ) You cant stop yourself from judging but you can catch self after words. Thats the sin that we cant stop ourselves from doing which is comparing and judging Im 2 yrs sober i catch myself doing it almost allt he time
TheMarkTheShark86 3 months ago
you know what proves aa's failure rate? the meetings are like bars. the home groups being akin to a bar. say you hung out in this bar and you came back after five years to have a drink. most likely you will find the same core of drunks. same thing with a home group. hundreds of people will come and go over the years but the same core will be there. very creepy. this fact proves aa's failure rate.
rjplamf61 4 months ago
@rjplamf61 That makes no sense.
If the same "core of drunks" would be there after 5 years, which means they would have been sober for 5 more years, yet that proves failure? How? They now have 5 years more sobriety.
If someone doesn't work the AA program, of course they are likely to get drunk. But how does the failure of someone to work the AA program prove AA's failure rate?
After all, if I'm in college and fail my classes because I don't participate, do I blame the college, or ME?
WKHalford 4 months ago
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@WKHalford the program has a terrible sucess rate. we must come up with other alternatives to aa to help addicts. programs that are accessible to people where ever they might live.
rjplamf61 4 months ago
@rjplamf61 the program has a terrible sucess rate. we must come up with other alternatives to aa to help addicts. programs that are accessible to people where ever they might live.
rjplamf61 4 months ago
@teg598 I'm weak? Well, I haven't drank for 3 years and 4 months. A weak alcoholic would still be drinking, correct?
And you "have no fucking idea what a weak ass coward like you talks about when you say money in a mtg", yet you were the one that mentioned AA "is for money". So you admit talking about something you know nothing about?
I'm a loser, yet it's you that can't talk without cursing, that can't communicate without using vulgarity?
It sure sounds like you can NOT control yourself.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@teg598 AA "is for money"? How? Some people give no money in a meeting. Most only give a dollar in each meeting. I've been to meetings where there was less than $20 given, with more than 20 people in the room.
So how is that being "for money" when there isn't much money given?
WKHalford 5 months ago
@WKHalford "AA itself says it's not a religion"...The terms "spiritual experience" and "spiritual awakening" are used many times in this book which, upon careful reading, shows that the personality change sufficient to bring about recovery from alcoholism has manifested itself among us in many different forms. Yet it is true that our first printing gave many readers the impression that these personality changes, or religious experiences, must be in the nature of sudden and spectacular upheavals.
riptorn311 6 months ago
continued: Most of our experiences are what the psychologist William James [in his book The Varieties of Religious Experience] calls the "educational variety" because they develop slowly over a period of time. The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William G. Wilson, page 569.
riptorn311 6 months ago
@riptorn311 You told me I was stuck on the term religion, that AA is a cult (even though I used both terms), yet now you are using the term religion. So which is it?
I gave several good points as to why AA is neither, and you didn't seem to specifically address any of them.
Although there may be a few loosely defined similarities to religion, AA itself is not a religion. There are no priests, bishops, pope, preachers, presbytery, etc.
WKHalford 5 months ago
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12 step groups and religions dont use any force, they are voluntary. Governments are people who are using threats and violence to force people to pay for their services. Taxes are not voluntary. Its pay or else. Normal people provide their services in the free market without using violence. IF the services of government are so valuable then why cant they provide them like normal nonviolent people. Citizens are cult members. They support the violence used against them like Battered wife syndrome
mustaffa1611 7 months ago
Awesome choice of music...One Slip by Pink Floyd....Perfect....
riptorn311 8 months ago
There are important facts that have been left out that separate AA from cults.
AA itself says it's not a religion, while cults try to make themselves appear like a legitimate religion.
AA encourages it's members to use what other religions have to offer. A cult will ban it's members from other religions entirely.
AA allows the individual to pick whatever God he/she wants. A cult won't do this.
I could probably come up with more, but time and space is lacking.
WKHalford 8 months ago
@WKHalford Saying that they are not a religion is just a bait and switch tactic. That much is easy to see. Here is nice little snipit from the 12 and 12..." Many a man like you has BEGUN to solve the problem by the method of substitution. You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your ‘higher power.’"...Notice the word "begun"...Meaning that ultimately, your "higher power" will be the same as ours. Just continue reading chapter 2 of the 12 and 12 to see what I'm talking about.
riptorn311 8 months ago
@riptorn311 QUOTE: "Many a man like you has BEGUN to solve the problem by the method of substitution. You can, if you wish, make A.A. itself your ‘higher power." UNQUOTE
Notice, if you will, that it says "MANY", and not "ALL".
This is an experience of many individuals that at first were Agnostic or Atheist. I've heard individuals giving testimony since I've been in AA that validate this.
The 12 & 12 was written quite a few years after the Big Book, and has quite a few individual experiences.
WKHalford 8 months ago
@WKHalford Another great snipit from the 12 and 12 (the recruiters handbook): "Let’s look first at the case of the one who says he won’t believe—the belligerent one. He is in a state of mind which can be described only as savage"...Wow, so all non-believers are belligerent and in a savage state of mind. Another snipit: "Religion says the existence of God can be proved; the agnostic says it can’t be proved; and the atheist claims proof of the nonexistence of God"....WRONG AGAIN!!!
riptorn311 8 months ago
@riptorn311 QUOTE: " "Let’s look first at the case of the one who says he won’t believe—the belligerent one. He is in a state of mind which can be described only as savage"...Wow, so all non-believers are belligerent and in a savage state of mind." UNQUOTE
No, it does NOT say ALL non-believers are belligerent. It's referring to raging alcoholic who has trouble with belief in a higher power. Raging alcoholics tend to be that way whether believer or not.
You've taken that way out of context.
WKHalford 8 months ago
@WKHalford Take a look at the history again. AA came from the Oxford group and Buchmans religious ideas. Dr. Frank Buchman believed that the age of miracles had returned and people could have direct, personal access to God, that people could be "changed", and that confession was necessary for "change". Frank Buchman also declared that people were essentially weak and sinful "defeated by sin", he called it and that only "surrender to God" and becoming totally "controlled by God" would save them.
riptorn311 6 months ago
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@riptorn311 QUOTE: " "Religion says the existence of God can be proved; the agnostic says it can’t be proved; and the atheist claims proof of the nonexistence of God"....WRONG AGAIN!!!" UNQUOTE
And why is that wrong? Although brief and maybe a bit simplistic, those definitions are quite accurate. So tell me, why are they wrong?
WKHalford 8 months ago
@riptorn311 PART 1.
Several things that separate AA from religions or cults:
(1) In the Big Book (I can't find the page number), it says to use what religions have to offer. NEITHER cult NOR religion will ever tell you to look at what another religion has to offer. But AA does.
(2) Although AA encourages prayer to a higher power, nowhere does it worship any higher power or individual. But cults and religions do.
(3) AA doesn't try to keep you from the cult or religion of your choice.
WKHalford 8 months ago
@WKHalford You seem to be stuck on "religion"...A group is called a cult because of their behaviour - not their doctrines.
riptorn311 8 months ago
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@riptorn311 No, because I used both words, and what I responded to could apply to either. And AA has been accused of being either.
And doctrine is very much part of either.
And part of what I addressed is indeed behavior, such as when I stated "AA doesn't try to keep you from the cult or religion of your choice."
Either way, being that AA has helped so many to get sober, what would it matter if it's a religion or cult? But there is no evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt to call AA either.
WKHalford 8 months ago
@riptorn311:
Well put. The problem with identifying the problems with AA doctrine is that for every crazy claim there's a countervailing "reasonable" reassurance to soften the blow. For every "those who cannot or will not give themselves over to this simple program...(are) constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves" there's a "these are only suggestions", "just our experience", "take what you want and leave the rest" to make it seem less scary. Very manipulative & duplicitous.
zyxwut321 6 months ago
@zyxwut321 "these are only suggestions"...Then they do a bait and switch and tell you that if you DON'T follow their suggestions you are doomed to death. These "suggestions" come from your sponsor who is reading from the sponsors handbook "the 12 and 12". Most newcomers never see that book. Why is that? Because most people don't make it to the point of sponsoring other people. I myself was in AA for a year and after 6 months my sponsor told me that I was "ready" to be a sponsor. The 12 & 12...
riptorn311 6 months ago
@riptorn311 PART 2.
(4) Some religions and cults will threaten to kill or other harm if you associate with or convert to another religion/cult. Islam is known for this. AA does NOT do this.
(5) AA has no religion-like/cult-like organizational structure.
(6) AA doesn't tell members how much $ to give. Meeting attendees usually give $1, a few $2, some ZERO. Could you ever imagine a religion like Roman Catholicism tolerating this?
WKHalford 8 months ago
@WKHalford Bully tactics towards those who leave (to the point of even having terminology to supposedly support their failed arguments, such as "DRY DRUNK", are cultlike tactics. Saying one can use "the group itself" as their "higher power" is rather cultlike.
Cult or not, these people destroy lives, which is discrediting enough to their methodology.
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@LexeconKiddo Bully tactics? I've NEVER seen anyone bullied in AA. NEVER. rowing up, I saw people bullied in school, on thhe playground, etc. THAT is what is known as bullied. I have NEVER seen bullying going on in AA.
And I've NEVER seen AA destroy lives. In fact, those that stick around long enough to stay sober have quite productive lives.
And yes, although still a human power, a group of people is, in a way, a higher power. Just like a judge and jury is a higher power in a court room.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@WKHalford I respect that our experiences have been extremely different, and it's not the majority of people in AA/NA who don't do this that bothers me as much (unless they're just going through what I have). Let's just say that the only reason I ever even think about 12 step programs & members is the fact that I block FB users & email addys weekly due to harassment. It began as merely confounding, but being harassed online because one no longer will even go to meetings, this is sick.
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@LexeconKiddo If they are harassing you, they are in the wrong. AA itself is based on attraction rather than promotion and other principles that forbid AA members from harassing you. Those that do so aren't practicing AA principles in all their affairs.
On the other hand, look at how teg598 addressed me. Isn't that bullying and harassment? He doesn't do a good job of representing you and those that agree with you. Although I didn't just stand down and take his BS, I was quite tolerant of him.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@WKHalford Well, they did. And they are also not merely citizens but employees at a 12 step based treatment center who sent letters to my physicians, whose names I never gave. Some are simply steppers, also. I know they're in the wrong, but they also serve as sponsors, service workers. I can stand their completely baseless accusations, but it doesn't mean they're free of responsibility or denunciation by those "in the program". This is just my beef, and I'm glad you're willing to see that side;)
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
@WKHalford Yes, it is bullying to some degree--but no one makes us come to these comment sections. That user doesn't have your phone #, #s for your family members as well as email addresses, etc. I agree, don't take the BS of anyone who's bothering you, but I don't grant the power to effect me to people here. I always appreciate those willing to be polite and civil, even those I don't agree with. Trolls do exist though, & people who speak merely in reaction to their anger. Peace;)
LexeconKiddo 5 months ago
When I'd had enough of AA (to me it was more a prayer group than a support group), I found it hard to break the habit of going to AA meetings. If you're in that position, I suggest that you Google this: YouTube Deprogramming Oneself From Alcoholics Anonymous. It's just one of many videos on the subject that helped me break my meeting habit. I'm currently at 925 consecutive days sober, and far happier than I was during my year in AA.
ndrthrdr1 8 months ago
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"A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution" Flat out lie. Dr. Bob Smith founder of AA was a freemason therefore there is a definite affiliation with another cult.
beautifulmind546 9 months ago
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@beautifulmind546 QUOTE: "Dr. Bob Smith founder of AA was a freemason therefore there is a definite affiliation with another cult."
So if an AA member is Baptist, does that mean AA is affiliated with the Baptist denomination of Christianity? NO.
So if an AA member is Muslim, does that mean AA is affiliated with the Muslim religion? NO.
So how does Dr. Bob simply being a Mason (assuming that's REALLY true) affiliate AA with Freemasonry?
WKHalford 5 months ago
@beautifulmind546 And regardless of what Dr. Bob was affiliated with 50+ years ago OUTSIDE of AA, the FACT still stands that AA is in NO way affiliated with Freemasonry now. Show me the link between AA and Freemasonry NOW, in the present day. You can't.
It amazes me how people will dig up insignificant information (whether real or not), and then use it to make a totally moot point. Or even make a point that is less than moot because it's not true at all.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@WKHalford The link is in the similar cult programming that keeps alcoholics not recovered but stuck in their delusional beliefs of being victims of a disease keeping them self absorbed and narcissistic needing to stay in AA in order to validate thie BS with other members. It is pretty significant information when you think of it in terms of mind control and cult programming.
beautifulmind546 5 months ago
@beautifulmind546 But that wasn't what you said before. You said it is because Dr. Bob was a Freemason, having to do with AA being associated with Freemasonry as a result. A distinct difference between what you said then, and what you say now.
And it's not just AA that says it's a disease. The American Medical Association also calls it a disease.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@WKHalford I am saying it's both. Try and keep up. I understand that years of being a drunk has likely made it difficult for you to think properly.
Please look up the definition of disease too btw.
beautifulmind546 5 months ago
@beautifulmind546 It amazes me that you would accuse me of not thinking properly, especially when I have clearly made quite a few points in quite a few comments in response to this video.
In fact, I made some analogies about your response concerning Freemasonry that explains how Dr. Bob's supposed Freemasonry membership (assuming he WAS a Mason) doesn't necessarily make your claim valid.
You said in your last post "THE link", meaning ONE link, not two. So I responded accordingly.
WKHalford 5 months ago
@beautifulmind546 And regardless, AA and Freemasonry are NOT affiliated today, regardless of whether Dr. Bob was a Mason or not, regardless of whether they were 50+ years ago or not.
Besides, the Traditions were written in 1951, which was the year AFTER Dr. Bob died, and copyrighted in 1952. So I think it's safe to say that Dr. Bob didn't violate the Traditions by being a Mason. He couldn't have been a Mason after the traditions were written by the simple fact that he was dead by then.
WKHalford 5 months ago
I think it's funny AA's def of dry drunk only applies to those who have not worked the steps because it seems like it could apply to a majority of those who did work the steps. Most 12 steppers seem to shapeshift into someothing resembling a tyranical god who see's themself superior over the universe.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 really? So what is your in depth experience then? 2 meetings with your simple mind doing the analysing?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 My in depth experience is three members of my family all drunks all go to AA for recovery. One has been in AA for over 30 years and she is the biggest dry drunk tyrant of them all even though she sponsors like 15 ppl at any given time. See I'm not a drunk like you but have been inflicted with AA anyway. I have been to plenty of meetings with family, read the big book and have done tons of research on this BS cult. Answer your question?
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 so your 3 family members are like all the other millions of AA members then are they? How do you know what kind of drunk I am? You are projecting your own experience onto me without the faintest idea if it's relevent or not. Just reading the big book does not mean a thing. A comparison : there are many fundamentalist christians in the US but US fundamentalism has nothing to do with christianity and is a dangerous cult. Agreed?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 my three family members and the literally thousands of others I met through them through AA. Over the last decade I have been firsthand witness to deaths (drink related) countless returns to alcohol, health related concerns to transference of addiction and the own continued strife in my family due to non healing perpetuated by the cult of AA so NO... not agreed. This program is not only a failure but a huge disservice to family members who have hoped for healing and sobriety
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
And obviously if you are supporting AA, you are a recovering drunk. You will justify it's validity every bit as much as you justified your reasons to drink. You won't question what you are brainwashed to believe...
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 no...your simply not listening are you. Just projecting.Would you care to discuss? Do you have that facility?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 I do have the "ability" to listen. I refuse to listen to cult programming disguised as healing any further. If you have something to offer other than AA cult programming go for it.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 this particular youtube question was concerning AA which is why we are talking about AA. Would you care to discuss what you think is the cure for your own life problems?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 I don't have any life problems other than having to watch the train wreck that is my family because they can never just take responsibility for their CHOICES. AA helps them to continually avoid that.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 sounds like they are a problem to you
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 Well, seeing as your the drunk in this conversation listen up as you might learn something... a selfish, self absorbed, narcissistic, irresponsible, tyrant is typically a problem for anyone and everyone they come into contact with. Maybe you aren't aware of that but it's time you and others like yourself should be. And instead of skating by in the cult of AA or masonry really own your shit, deal with t and heal from it so we don't have to be bothered by your toxicity another day
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 ...and yet you are the one who is pouring out your toxicity onto me. I have not done any of that to you. You are off on your projecting again....I AM NOT YOUR FAMILY. I am another person in another country who you don't know. Are you going to get that through your thick head or not?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 Deny this... you are a drunk, you are a member of AA and you in some way think favorably of freemasonry. No you are not my family, never said you were but you know what? You are the same breed and it really only takes knowing one drunk to know pretty much all of them. When are you going to get into your thick head that a drunk is a drunk is a drunk and I have no doubt that plenty have had to suffer you as I have had to suffer my family.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 You are simply incapable of having a civilised conversation. You have no idea what life is all about and you project your own subjective ill-thought out nonsense on everyone else because you have suffered a bit at the hands of others. You are so childish and offer nothing but silly immature bitterness. I suggest you grow up. Don't bother writing any more, you bore me and I will not be reading further. I assume you are American...so utterly devoid of any intelligence
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DJLunasf 1 year ago 2
@DJLunasf That's right. AA is for the weak. Thats why we go there. just "waking up" is not an option. Dont you think we tried that one? Your profound advise is amazing "wean off the sauce and wake the hell up...." mmmm such well thought out therapeutic intervention there. I'm afraid you are really not old enough to be discussing these matters with adults so I suggest you finish learning your alphabet and 5 times table before you take on anything more complex
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 That is basically a cop out. Go ahead and tell us how you are a victim of a disease so that you don't have to take any real ownership for being a drunk...
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 Alcoholism is not a disease according to medical definitions of what constitutes a disease. I am not a victim. What are you doing here? I see no intellectual exchange, no sharing of ideas just you trying to "have a go" because of your own lack of ability to cope.
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 You are right, I won't cope any further with the farce AA is. Everyone has a right to know. It needs to stop being court ordered recovery, people in the program DO need to WAKE UP and see that they have been duped and are not really recovered. If you don't like my comments then go on being a yes, VICTIM. If you need AA then that is what you are essentially.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 idiot
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 goo goo. gaa gaa. oochy coochy coo. Is baby not well then?
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
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@maddogmargetts1 "goo goo. gaa gaa. oochy coochy coo. Is baby not well then?"
<lol and you are suggesting that I grow up. And this is your way of having a civilized conversation? I can see that the program of AA is working really well for you.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
all this criticism just makes out people to be innocent victims who are so sensitive and innocent they are open to abuse from these sober people who just want to egocentrically dominate the world. Pathetic, do you really think that having, potentially, influence over a handful of nobodies in a backwater unheard of town makes people think that there's some mass conspiracy to take over the world! Stop being so weak and if you don't like AA, don't bloody go, no-one is forcing you,
maddogmargetts1 1 year ago
@maddogmargetts1 LOL actually consider that Dr. Bob Smith was a freemason there might be something to the conspiracy theory! But most of you 12 steppers aren't aware of that fact are you?
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 so what if he was a freemason? Do tell me what you have against freemasons now then. What are you calling me a 12 stepper for? You don't even know me. Try to think outside of the script for goodness sake.
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 It's pretty simple if you know about Freemasonry as they are about pyramid schemes, deceit in spiritual concepts and protecting their own. It makes perfect sense such a power hungry lemming would design such a cult as AA.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
@beautifulmind546 It'spossible he was power hungry, I have no idea. You obviously do not know about freemasonary though. Have you studied the Qabbala? This is the system at the base of their spirituality. Do tell me what you know of it because I have the feeling you are mixing them up with someone else.
maddogmargetts1 10 months ago
@maddogmargetts1 I do know about freemasonry. I know about what they project as well as what they do behind the scenes. Sure studied the Qabbala and your point? Freemasonry is behind nearly all religious/ spiritual beliefs except for the ones it's members tried to genocide throughout history. Let me guess, not only are you a follower of the cult of AA but the cult of masonry too. And you call me simple minded? LAFF!
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
this is one of the worst videos i have ever seen. whoever posted it should go to a meeting, wow.
plrviking 1 year ago
AA simply helped me stop drinking. Calling it a Cult is absurd.
willbond 1 year ago
are you drunk ?
flmcon 1 year ago
Cults do not necessarily need a leader. Before posting ignorant comments, perhaps you should use a dictionary. I really hate stupid people; however, you are absolutely correct. As long as there is some ideology designed to attract the weak minded, chemically induced or innate, there will be sheep. If you are looking for a "leader" try Bill Wilson. Although dead now, that doesn't stop Christians or Muslims, from having faith in a deceased leader. Believe in the person in the mirror.
jakeupgeese 1 year ago
poor video.
bunzlbear 1 year ago
Usually Cults have leaders last time i been to a meeting i didnt really see any leaders Shutting down AA would be like shutting down the catholic church or christianity . U take out all the liqour and beer in the world but then youd still have people making there own booze. As there as there is Alcohol there will be alcoholics and as long as there is alcoholics there will be AA This whole AA bashing is pretty flattering though.
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 Hari krishna s no longer have a leader but noone denies theyre a cult. They have organised themselves into global zones, carving up the world and distributing it amongst their heirarchal elite. They in turn act autonomously, disseminating thier flawed message, brainwashing their zealous disciples with unsubstantiated promises. Sound familiar?
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago
you can't handle aa punk. blamethenile are assholes too
IsraelforeverUSA1 1 year ago
@IsraelforeverUSA1 what a lovely person you are SHALOM
yam500 1 year ago
AA is for weak people with weak minds incapable of thinking for themselves. They surrender their identity and beliefs to people incapable of thinking for themselves. Morons who killed so many brain cells all cognitive reason is lost. I quit smoking without a group, meetings, 12 steps, uneducated people telling me how to think, or surrendering myself to some "higher power". All you AA fruitcakes can feel free to leave planet earth on the next comet. Don't forget your sippy cups of alcohol.
jakeupgeese 1 year ago
@jakeupgeese u quit smoking? Good you. But a cigarette wont cuz you to blackout and have killing someone and remembering. If you had a clue about what your talkin about youd know your as weak minded as me . They aint talking about being powerless over alcohol. The problem isnt the alcohol at all its the person. You are powerless over your thinking and ur emotions just as well.U cant stop yourself from getting angry no more than an alcoholic Ur even powerless over getting AA out of your head lol
TheMarkTheShark86 1 year ago
@TheMarkTheShark86 addiction research has shown that quitting smoking greatly reduces relapse risk, that and my health is why I quit tobacco...powerless over thinking and emotions eh? CULTSPEAK.
seeker4trth 1 year ago
@jakeupgeese You have issues.
willbond 1 year ago
AA is the best
alejandres85 1 year ago
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I hate you for this
alejandres85 1 year ago
FU AA is the best help on this earth
alejandres85 1 year ago
HAHAHAHAHA Dumbass dont even know the meaning of a cult F>U AA has saved the lifes of many of my friends n myself...I respect your decision in disagreeing with the program but please don't call it a cult call it what it is a life saver so whenever you or one of your loved ones sucking COCK for a hit or drink you will cry for help n the only people on this planet to save you will be them crazy ass AA people
alejandres85 1 year ago
@alejandres85 It has cult characteristics son
yam500 1 year ago
@yam500
Still coming home to a delightful evening of talking shite I see.
eurocrime 1 year ago
@eurocrime can't stay away can ya lol lol lol
yam500 1 year ago
@yam500
Take it easy there cracker! Hows the roadkill!
eurocrime 1 year ago
@eurocrime Great...
yam500 1 year ago
@yam500
In fairness, you would know.
eurocrime 1 year ago
@eurocrime lol lol lol lol lol
yam500 1 year ago
@yam500
OMG.
eurocrime 1 year ago
@alejandres85 What spiiritual principle were you practicing when you concocted this cantakerous tripe? I see you are the epitome of 12 step serenity. Charming. Keep it up, You prove the point of AA as faux spirituality and zealous christian fundementalists.
opiatedmonkey 1 year ago
it is a cult. I speak as a "normie" of family members in the cult. what drinking constantly nearly ruined our family, AA has finished it off. So much seperation, unresolved, unhealed issues and dry drunks who arrogantly see themselves as superior for staying sober and in AA preaching and manipulating those of us for who sobriety is a given. Glad others are seeing this.
beautifulmind546 1 year ago
@beautifulmind546 The arrogant grandisoity is astounding by these so-called Spiritual People. Try debating these people ffs it's like debating born-again christians,
yam500 1 year ago
aa is a cult for 100%
moti4love 1 year ago
'Then she was told her higher power could be whatever she wanted it to be- A tree, a rock, a doorknob, or her AA group itself.'
I went with making my higher power an ice cold six-pack of Thunderbird. Because the best way not to relapse is to never quit.
suicidephukkem 1 year ago
@suicidephukkem Best comment on this thread yet. Have a drink on me.
sirmcgowington 1 year ago
Another stupid antiAA vid.
"This story is true"
Yeah, the part that we worship pussy from time to time, but to take Fluffy all the way to the 11th Step?
Nice music though.
sirmcgowington 1 year ago
@sirmcgowington Even a non alcoholic would want to drink themselves to black out after 2 minutes of this video. And as for those who see fit to put this stuff up, either they are resentful alcoholics with major resentments to AA in which case they might drink again or non alcoholics in which case why the fascination with AA??? . AA saves lives. Fact. This kind of shit is at best a waste of space and at worse can kill real alcoholics by turning them away from something that can save their lives.
mrwasbesonders 1 year ago
who ever wrote this mustve been drunk and bitter
irishmike1961 1 year ago
@irishmike1961
Why?
Hammersley1967 1 year ago
Um ignorante desses acaba fazendo com que centenas de pessoas que podem se recuperar do alcolismo deixem de fazê-lo. Se não tem algo de útil a dizer, cale-se!
elviscelson 1 year ago
no the truth is YOU and the cult are victimizing people everyday. You know its true, or else this wouldn't bother you. I have never met more rapists, thieves, batterers, and child molesters until I went to aa. The truth WILL be revealed.
passionitliberal 1 year ago
@passionitliberal
Don't bother with kevphillips02...
You'd do well by steering clear of him...
He is a well known around the UK AA fellowship as a dangerous child sex offender...
Hammersley1967 1 year ago
OMF! (Oh My Fluffy)
Oh, for Fluffy's sake!
Fluffydamnit!
I swear to Fluffy.
From you lips to Fluffy's ears
Xelanderthomas 1 year ago
Today, enough is known - in print and on line - for people to read what about actually existing AA.
dix345 2 years ago
I was told to imagine turning my will over to my home group as my higher power as I'm an atheist. I put the image of my group in my mind but the problem is I get stuck on one thing. There is this hot DD breasted chick in the group. I can't take my mind off her. I find myself in physical meditation at that point. It gets hard at that point & I can't "Let go and let God". Sometimes I meditate all day. Is this how it is supposed to work? Her breasts are a power greater then me.
TheDrapetomaniac 2 years ago 3
Guess she should have gone with the door knob.
daredevilpre 2 years ago
why do people feel the need to bash the program that saved mine and many friends lives. Go to a meeting and see for yourself. There are no rituals or requirements. And as in any large group of people there are bound to be some sick bastards. Just look for those living good lives around the program, not the crazies who live in it. God Bless
mettaman09 2 years ago
mettam askes "why do people feel the need to bash a progrm that saved his life?
becasue it has taken many good people's lives. it has promised help when it has only abuse to offer.
your question is like asking why do people put down stalin, when he was good to some of the Russian people. answer becasue the harm outweighs the good.; many times over.
Commonsense11111 2 years ago
wow this is a true story. I probably wouldnt believe it if I hadent been a member of AA at one point, but sadly ridiculous stories like these are the norm in AA.
BIGJOHN805 2 years ago 6
Thank you for this video. I loved it. It's right on the money.
heyanto 2 years ago 4
rituals lol
19lucasjones 2 years ago
kev is just a common garden variety aa nut case. nothing out of the ordinary.
dix345 2 years ago 8
Kev, you are hilarious. You need to keep typing unto the crack of doom. In fact, you should be locked in the computer room.
dix345 2 years ago 13
It would appear that this is kevy's crack LOL
isegoria1 2 years ago 12
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isegoria is an expert on crack
Rock too
isegoria is an expert on everything - except running his own life. At that, he is a complete failure.
weinerout 2 years ago
Whoo hoo the child molester has finally entered the building. Is it little boy or little girls this week? And about your PM, no I do not want to have sex with you. Stop stalking me I ma not like you.
isegoria1 2 years ago 9
weinerout -- despicable poltroon and dead dog
dix345 2 years ago 6
Like everything else you post flat out lies.
1. Never did crack
2. Passed the Mensa test so fuck you retard.
3. My life operates just fine. I have plenty of the things I need, to make commentary that was not lies you would actually have to know me. You are an arrogant fool and a dirty child molester, that's what Crazy Meds told me.
4. Thanks for taking to time to vandalize my other videos that have nothing to do with your dying death cult. Now I wonder who the looser is?
isegoria1 2 years ago 5
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Wow, all the american sad sacks are even up at this time of night obsessing about aa or people who belong to it.Logging in to their multiple accounts.Watching depressing anti aa films.
AA made me feel suicidal, AA gave me piles, AA kills people and i dont like it.
AA is the cause of all my problems so i sit and be a sad sack and make films about it.
YOURE ALL SAD SACKS.Go make some more films
kevphillips02 2 years ago
ROFL
Poor Jill. I am always surprised at how much people love their pets. I seriously, seriously laughed. Comments on production: Text movement was annoying, got overly repetitive, and was too fast to read sometimes; great music; try incorporating pictures. I hope Jill is happy and perhaps got a new cat.
samsonlp 2 years ago
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I have give my telephone number , locality and the area of meetings i attend.I have nothing to hide from you or your sad sack friends.
what is your problem with the fact that i have money? Lots of people have money .
I have no desire to vist the usa as it dosent interest me.I prefer countrys with culture and history.
Did you know that about two thirds of americans dont have passports because they are so insular ? It can be because of poverty being a rich nation financially
kevphillips02 2 years ago
Kev has it occured to you that we are windin you up, you are still showing signs of your addiction by keep fighting us, you are trying to take control and trying to get a different effect like you did with your addiction which means your insane, you have Xaddicted to us by fighting us the same way that you was doing with your drink and drugs :-)
JupiterJelly1 2 years ago 3
your an addict that has no balance and the only way you will get balance is not by handing you shit over and by being a control freak like most in AA are, right I am Xaddicting to fucking my bitch then a game on gears of war, sure your still be here tomorrow so argue with you then cutey :-) x
JupiterJelly1 2 years ago 4
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I would reply but i dont talk the smae language
kevphillips02 2 years ago
That's right, if you did speak the same language you would at least have enough brains to spell it properly. You are cultured like a swine.
isegoria1 2 years ago 3
Some holiday huh. So short my spare change could have paid for it. Lying piece of shit. It seems kevy has nothing but lies and vile comments.
Maybe i should go to a meeting so I can get my own version of hate like you have. What a sad little man.
quickcap2 2 years ago 11
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Whats up sad sack, signed in under another profile?Do they not have internet access anywhere nowdays.
You are pathetic, i have nothing to proove to you sad sack, and dont let it bother you i have money.
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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How pathetic to think someone would invent the fact they were going on holiday as if it is something unusual.
You are some sad motherfucker.
quickcap has something to say sad sack u, unlike you whingeing bleating child
kevphillips02 2 years ago
That kevy is a nut job. I am sure he's stalking me!
godlessweasel 2 years ago 8
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Whats up sad sack?
kevphillips02 2 years ago
test
Seabiscuitlover 2 years ago
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How desperate you must be to get one over on a stranger.
Use firefox to create multiple accounts to leave multiple negative thubs down.
Another example of how desperately sad you are as a group.
I could do the same to retaliate but i cant be bothered.
See if you spot the spelling error JUSTANOTHERCUNTFACE????i
I left one on purpose because i know these simple things humour your simple childs mind.
kevphillips02 2 years ago
kev, how sad for you. Mister, you are a professional victim, with a sign on your back that says, 'kick me'.
Your brainless vulgarities - a puerile attempt to insult - are hilarious.
keep typing. You are a brilliant spokesman for aa.
dix345 2 years ago 6
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You need to look up what victim means.
A victim dosent usually make a success of their life and usually thinks they are hard done by and generally see themsleves as mistreated.
As you have joined the arguement out of nowhere then i will forgive you for not really aprreciating why you have put your little input into the pot.
Usually its best to take part when you know why the arguement began and what went before instead of being like a lemming and following the crowd.
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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Your comments are in the same vein as the majority of other idiots on here who assume most things the whinge and bleat like sheep when they get the same returned.Assumptions assumptions assumptions.
Did you google all thise words to appear intellectually superior, which is the way most of you act, probably based on some inferiority complex.Youre a complete sucker and in terms if being a victim , as i have said i didnt get to where i am from where i come being a victim.HARD WORK AND COMMON SENSE
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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VICTIMS DO NOT SUCCEED
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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Oh i see someone has been logging into their multiple accounts to leave thumbs down next to my messages.
How low you bunch of odd balls will stoop is amazing.
Any how i have had a busy day today and i have missed you all especially isegoria AKA THomas (LOL).
kevphillips02 2 years ago
No you have done such a wonderful job at being a chicken shit self important prick that it would appear that a great many people do not like you and that is your fault.
It would also appear seeing that you are unwilling to use your sissy passport and your fake ass money to come and see me to get your as beat like it should be. Maybe I should use mine?
Stooping? You mean like sending vile sexist comments to the women on this board? Does that make you feel like a big man to badger women?
isegoria1 2 years ago 11
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Fuck of sad sack
kevphillips02 2 years ago
Cross dressing midget
justanotherface123 2 years ago 3
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I am not the one sitting up in the middle of the night obsessing about a group i hate or members of a group i hate.
As much as you lot find me offensive, you attract every bit of negativity you get.
When you attack people for simply being part of AA you will get a response.
To think otherwise is very unralistice.
You are nasty offensive people
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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Try watching eyeluvebooze , he has the correct take on you lot.
Very accurate and factual tounge in cheek observation of the anti aaers
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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What i would also like to add is i have had a week arguing with various people on here which i cant say is the best hours i have spent .
How do you lot make a life of it? after all you sad sacks do this week in week out and you cant deny it because i saw the same people arguing a couple of months back when i came here.
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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Kev, you got it right!
See how they hammered you with little thumbs down. They can't handle the truth so they play little kid games giving pluses to themselves and thumbs down to someone who disagrees.
weinerout 2 years ago
you sure are tough. poltroon
dix345 2 years ago 5
Kevy - You seem to have a fascination with cocks, do you like to suck them? You'll probably lie about it anyway, we will let your fascination speak for itself.
quickcap2 2 years ago 2
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Im all fine with my sexuality .LOL
Are you Anti gay or bisexual aswell, i suppose you can try blame them for all of your problems .
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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I could retire today at 44 if i wanted unlike you sad fake.Youre damn fucking ugly.
Grow up .
If you really dont want me here then refrain from commenting to me.Ugly motherfucker.Your mother must have been ugly
kevphillips02 2 years ago
I retired years ago what the fuck is taking you so long? Ugly are you some kind of stalking homo too to go along with your cross dressing midget self?
I'll let you go so you can go have sex with your mother.
isegoria1 2 years ago 2
Keep going dumbass you are making every point made by any anti-aa'er right to a T. We like you because you are dumb. Dumber than a second coat of paint.
justanotherface123 2 years ago
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Unfortunately you lot would be so lost if you didnt have the occassional AA to undermine, critcize and abuse.
I am sure it would make your lifes very dull.
kevphillips02 2 years ago
you have a lot of will power Kev, you had enough to get your drink, you had enough to get your drugs, you had enough to do boxing and enough to keep up with us on here so why none to quit, its because you wanted forgiveness and an easy way out was'nt it, you take no responsabily for your actions your evil :-)
JupiterJelly1 2 years ago
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Maturity requires resposibility which you guys know nothing about.
You have a total inability to see yourselves as you really are which is why you fail to realise i am only mirroring your behaviour.The fact is i have had the courage to look at the dark side of my nature at deeper and deeper levels through therapy and not just the 12 steps i might hasten to add.
Forgiveness of oneself comes through the process and that is all that concerns me.I have my own sense of value inherently
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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I concede we are a cult, but why did you have to tell everyone,
We are the choosen ones
kevphillips02 2 years ago
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My real name is David Koresh.
You fruit looms
kevphillips02 2 years ago