may war always be such a horrorable event as seen here. the piles of dead, the slow marching of starving soldiers and civilians. the stintch of rotting bodies and the fear of sickness. that is how war should be, that way man will be pressed to find alternatives to this maddening course of action.
Source: (the greatest military historian to have ever existed) J. F. C. Fuller in The Decisive Battles of the Western World and their Influence upon History, vol.2 (Eyre & Spottiswoode, London, 1954-6).
During the subsequent Briey Commission post-war to find out what went so wrong, he said when asked who actually made the plan of war: "I can't remember. A plan of operations is an idea carried in one's head and not set down on paper. You ask me a heap of things to which I cannot reply. I KNOW NOTHING!"
[Source: Les errors du haut commandement by General Persin (1922) pp. 179-278]
@GnosticHumanist And without Joffre, the French victory on the Marne would be impossible in 1914. While the units that counterattacked the Germans near Paris were under Foch's command, the entire French army up until that point was either trapped in battle or retreat, mostly a result of the failed offensive into Alcase and Lorriane. Joffre was no Napoleon, BUT he did have a calm nerve that allowed him to move Foch's men to where they mattered. - Source "The Guns of August"
Bullshit, Joffre was drunk. Victory was a combination of Gallieni's brilliant taxis of the Marne holding up the 6th army which would've been smashed exposing the French left flank + the BEF under Sir John French managing to exploit the gap between the 1st & 2nd German Armies + Moltke's total lack of knowledge of the situation leading to him ordering his messenger to demand a retreat without even consulting von Kluck & not knowing the French 6th was THEN crumbling.
@GnosticHumanist And where is your proof? The Guns of August is well written on the time leading up to the Marne in September 1914. And the book credit's Joffre for maintaining his cool and moving Foch's 9th Army to Paris. And the German failing was turning far too soon, and that's what created the gap. The Germans thought they were going to get a Cannae double envelopement and turned early. If Kluck had crossed the Seine he would have taken the entire allied army from the rear.
@SamuelJamesNary i have read several books that support your view, yet i wonder if they could really have taken paris even if they had followed the plan exactly. lets remember that the french were falling back and the brittish surely would have sent everything they had to support their ally. i don't know the answer, but it leads one to wonder.
may war always be such a horrorable event as seen here. the piles of dead, the slow marching of starving soldiers and civilians. the stintch of rotting bodies and the fear of sickness. that is how war should be, that way man will be pressed to find alternatives to this maddening course of action.
poppagdt3 1 week ago
Source: (the greatest military historian to have ever existed) J. F. C. Fuller in The Decisive Battles of the Western World and their Influence upon History, vol.2 (Eyre & Spottiswoode, London, 1954-6).
GnosticHumanist 4 weeks ago
Joffre was such a blithering fool.
During the subsequent Briey Commission post-war to find out what went so wrong, he said when asked who actually made the plan of war: "I can't remember. A plan of operations is an idea carried in one's head and not set down on paper. You ask me a heap of things to which I cannot reply. I KNOW NOTHING!"
[Source: Les errors du haut commandement by General Persin (1922) pp. 179-278]
GnosticHumanist 1 month ago
@GnosticHumanist And without Joffre, the French victory on the Marne would be impossible in 1914. While the units that counterattacked the Germans near Paris were under Foch's command, the entire French army up until that point was either trapped in battle or retreat, mostly a result of the failed offensive into Alcase and Lorriane. Joffre was no Napoleon, BUT he did have a calm nerve that allowed him to move Foch's men to where they mattered. - Source "The Guns of August"
SamuelJamesNary 1 month ago
@SamuelJamesNary
Bullshit, Joffre was drunk. Victory was a combination of Gallieni's brilliant taxis of the Marne holding up the 6th army which would've been smashed exposing the French left flank + the BEF under Sir John French managing to exploit the gap between the 1st & 2nd German Armies + Moltke's total lack of knowledge of the situation leading to him ordering his messenger to demand a retreat without even consulting von Kluck & not knowing the French 6th was THEN crumbling.
GnosticHumanist 4 weeks ago
@GnosticHumanist And where is your proof? The Guns of August is well written on the time leading up to the Marne in September 1914. And the book credit's Joffre for maintaining his cool and moving Foch's 9th Army to Paris. And the German failing was turning far too soon, and that's what created the gap. The Germans thought they were going to get a Cannae double envelopement and turned early. If Kluck had crossed the Seine he would have taken the entire allied army from the rear.
SamuelJamesNary 4 weeks ago
@SamuelJamesNary i have read several books that support your view, yet i wonder if they could really have taken paris even if they had followed the plan exactly. lets remember that the french were falling back and the brittish surely would have sent everything they had to support their ally. i don't know the answer, but it leads one to wonder.
poppagdt3 1 week ago
I have really enjoyed this Mengutimur. Thanks. Excellent sound and vid quality too. I see you have a lot more of this. I'm subscribing...
fripouille69 8 months ago
Why is tittle Gorlice Tarnow Offensive when this documentary cover almost all fronts???
Vladek385 8 months ago 2
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what the narrator is saying: Serbia was drawn into the war by greed for Austrian and Hungarian territory, isn't it?
ludvvigg 10 months ago
Extraordinary historical document! Great narrator!
RIP all of those poor suffering souls!
What for? What for? In Christ's name: What for?!
Miguel
Jedermann101 11 months ago 3
@Jedermann101 for a mile...
Jabthecat 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this 4 part series. Well done.
1toscany 1 year ago