The sader thing was, there was a wife and daughter of a man on that Russian plane, it was that's man only family of his generation, so he murdered the ATC :(
i hope atc remembers this there whole life and carry the guilt that he killed all those people along with the other pilot that was trying to land while those planes were about to crash
Man I felt sorry for Peter...I can only imagine what kind of crushing guilt he must have felt, even tough it wasnt his fault... =(
And the fact that he got killed by Vitali Konstantinovitš (who lost his wife and child in the accident) two years later, made this tradegy even more sad =(
They are wrong, Peter Nielson went back to work at Skynet after the court case was supposedly settled. They offered the Russians $15,000. Euros per dead child. Peter Nielson allowed his employees to nap while the main flight controller system was down for maintenance and while they were using a back up with limited capability. He blamed the Russian pilots for ignoring TCAS
following his insistence they descend into the path of the DHL.
@jdollinter No he isnt. He allowed his employees to take a nap before he even knew that maintenance is coming, and also unexpected maintenance is fault of the company, not Nielson. And he blamed no one, official investigation team blamed russian pilots from not obeying TCAS, as TCAS always has bigger priority than controller, so if controller tells you to descend and TCAS to climb you should climb.
Classic case of too many monkeys on the football and no one taking the initiative to run with it. It's simply sad that 6 professionals in two cockpits and another on the ground, mixed in with a little technology, couldn't overcome the 1 in a billion chance that these two aircraft would occupy the same minuscule amount of airspace at the exact same moment. The human mind at times, no matter how much we marvel at its abilities, can be our own worst enemy. May all rest in peace forever.
I still can't watch this withouth shitting my pants. Believe I'm no fucking pussy, I can watch any toher episode just fine. I even can laugh at times about how stupid the pilots were killing everyone onboard *cough* Birgenair Flight 301 *cough*
But this... is just horrible. The way this happened, it was just a typical situation of: "when you walk on the street and you try to evade a man but the man tries to evades you the same side and again you try go go to the other side but its to late"
I'm a hardcore simmer and watched every episode of ACI. This episode rings alarm... There are still NO proper rules wether to follow TCAS Actions or ATC.
@sonicfan7 NO proper rules wether to follow TCAS Actions or ATC? WHAT? Where did you get that info? Before this accident took place, pilots around the world MUST comply with TCAS, as this system interacts with other TCAS. One TCAS "questions" the other TCAS and and order is issued to both traffics. 1st TCAS action, then pilots inform the ATC they have a Resolution Advisory. I don't know where did you get that.... its completly wrong
@juyg7h8yh Well that's what i've heard on several forums. Anyway that ATC was an idiot, not monitoring a conflict situation. Just wtf, every ATC is trained to monitor it until it is clear of conflict. But that ATC management sucked aswell. Russian pilots failed to inform of TCAS Action. The only innocent plane really was the DHL. It advised and executed a proper Tcas descent.
@sonicfan7 once again, you are wrong. As always happens, ACCIDENTS are a chain of events. This accident was very particular because:
1st: ATC was on 2 screens (breach of safety from Sky Guide, which was ATC Service provider at Switzerland)
2nd: as a technician was that day working on some things around phones, or something like that, this technician disconected some systems (I think) from Nielsen's ATC station. This provoked that the system which advises traffic conflict was OUT OF SERVICE.
@sonicfan7 that's why another ATC could see the conflict.
3rd: failure of TU154 crew for not following TCAS. pilots first followed ATC instruction, then TCAS. After this, it was ruled for all the world FIRST TCAS, then ATC
4rd: failure of 757 crew to report RESOLUTION ADVISORY from TCAS
Finally, ATC was not to blame.Imagine you are working as a bus driver, and your brakes fail and you run over people. It was not your fault,it was someone else.
JUST LOOK AT 9:10 AND IMAGINE HOW MANY THINGS HAD PASSED THROUGH HIM THAT TIME. POOR KIDS AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO WERE ON THIS PLANE. WHAT HAPPENED, HAS HAPPENED.
BUT, WHY KILL THE CONTROLLER? HE WAS UNDER GREAT PRESSURE. WE DO UNDERSTAND THE KILLER'S PAIN (HE LOST HIS WIFE AND TWO KIDS) BUT WHY KILL THE CONTROLLER. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
Man, when he saw they were so close why didn't he stay with them for a little bit instead of going strait back to the other plane, then he would have heard the TCAS decent.
i feel the worst for the controller....:( ATC work harder & under more stressful conditions than they get credit for..this is the worst nightmare they could ever imagine :( & they he got killed for it. sad for all involved
After that, a memorial was made for the people whom died in that accident. People blamed the poor controller, but it was actually Skyguide, the company. First of all, the controller had to control two posts for a person, so he wasnt able to pay attention. He also was stripped from pretty much what a controller needs, so he doesnt know if the other plane is desending. He was stripped due to a maitenence, so he cant use the the telephone, the radar, ect. He was later killed, by a man with a knife.
I really don't understand WHY do they put two planes on the same course? WHY?? Why can't you just make the planes ALWAYS fly 1000 feet apart? Why did he put both of them at 36,000 feet any fucking way?
@kozeel Both of those flights had pre made flightplans that choose their altitude, controllers job is just keep them in altitude that is in flightplan/pilot wants if possible, and if there is conflict then command other plane to descend.
At the time there was no ruling as to who has priority - TCAS or ATC. Since this incident pilots are now taught that TCAS has priority over ATC so this can not occur again
All I'm going to say is thats sad and I think the controller should have let the tcaf tell them what to do but hey shit happens and i have full respects and feel pain for all the famlies
controller's fault is minor. think bout tat: if gave TCAST priority that wudnt happen. 2.if the phones were working and auto crash detect was working.....
3. if there were 2 controllers... 4.if the pilots... 5. controller.
The Russians killed themselves. You have to always listen to TCAS, if the ATC interrupts, you only have to say TCAS ascend/descend and he won't interrupt again.
When the TCAS came in into the planes, that become the priority as the DHL's pilots did it. It's even on Wikipedia, under "TCAS". Of course you can't always make good choises under pressure.
Flight Controller, Peter Nielsen was later killed by Vitaly Kaloyev, the father of two girls and wife on the russian flight. After two years in jail he was released because his mental condition was not considered in his sentence. After his release Vitaly was known as a hero in North Ossetia, and is now a deputy construction minister there.
The pilots rely on the assistance and help of the controllers although TCAS has to be followed first. If the systems in front of the controller are not trustable due to maintenance work what the hell is is air traffic controll for? Skyguide is crazy to switch off all systems and even all phons without telling anybody. Neither their own nor the foreign controllers had any chance to communicate to each other in an emergency!
Also not to often do you see the actual pre crash pictures of a crew that died in a crash as you did at the beginning of this video. In some cases you can see them such as Swiss Air 111's captain or Air Florida Palm 90 but no luck finding Delta 191 or many other crews pre crash photos...
Wow the guy who played the pilot looked almost like the real pilot who was being evaluated by the co-pilot for this flight. The rest of the actors really didn't even look close to the real people...
There was a maintenance operation on Zurich radar the day when this collision happened. I think the technicians, before doing the operation on the radar, shoud tell the controller that the radar safety line will be disactivated. If the controller had known it from the technicians, maybe he could save the two planes...
There are better TCAS systems than was shown here. Obviously there are risks here, but geez with all that experience that was a shame. The TCAS was right. The controller wasn't.
6:00 "ah fucking traffic, why?" i love the russians. too bad theyre the ones who god cut in half i bet they could have brought that other one down safe. well probably not but still. badass russians
gaspeli je retardirani covek bez icega ljudskog u sebi. dabogda njemu poginuli ovako najblizi. saucesce ruskom pilotu, a ovog retardiranog svajcarcsa bi nabio na dozivotnu u zatvor, za namernu smrt nevinih ljudi.
@batainah28 do you agree with his action? i dont. i do feel sorry for the victims of this collision and for this man but do you agree with his action of killing the controller?>
Another sad tragedy is, that air controller get stab and die on the scene by one of the family plane victim and he get jailed. Now he is release and was appointed deputy construction minister of North Ossetia
One of the air crash family member stab that blue shirt air controller at his work place and die immediately. That one family member get jailed and now he has been released and appointed because people call him a hero.
ATC management incompetence and system failures were the main cause of the disaster. It wasnt the atc or any of the pilots... R.I.P to all of those who lost there lives in that horrible disaster
It was partly the fault of the Russian pilots. Standard international procedure was and is to ALWAYS obey an automated alert, be it TCAS/GPWS/windshear/stall rather than obey an ATC command. Of course this would not have mattered had the ATC not directed the aircraft onto a collision course.
@jeanjones9154 If the computer had been obeyed (by having one plane descend and one plane climb) that catastrophy would have been averted. when two TCAS equiped airplane get Resolution advisory, their transponder will communicate so that one plane will descend and the other will climb. Computer 1 - 0 Man
Yes, but that is only the failure of one system. In most cases multiple systems have to fail for an accident to occur, and that happened here. The last resort TCAS system could have saved both aircraft even once the ATC failed, if the pilots had both followed correct ICAO procedure. Unfortunately one of the crews obeyed the ATC rather than TCAS so the failsafe was also defeated.
THis was a grave travesty. This should have never happened with TCAS II. FAA and EASA really put a stomp on TCAS III programs which would have given vertical and lateral resolution advisories. That would have surely helped here. It is hard to understand why the crews didn't take a lateral course of action.
This is one of my favorite ACI episodes, you can only imagine how the final seconds terrified the crew, both the Bashkirian Air line and the DHL.....the reenactment was realistic.
Actually the DHL pilots (as all western pilots) were clearly taught that TCAS was to be followed rather than the ATC, although obviously this had no effect on the accident. The Russian training manual was selfcontradictory. In one paragraph it said that TCAS was an additional instrument to be used alongside ATC, while a seperate part mentioned that TCAS took priority over ATC. I think the Capt. knew this and probably would have reacted correctly if the check capt. had not overruled him.
Watched it again. Still can't get over that ATC - he gives someone an urgent traffic warning then goes to do something else? That part surely can't be accurate. At that point he's already in a situation where they are well inside separation and he's going to have to do an incident report.
My Dad was an ATC for nearly 40 years, been with him in the tower, and I'm in no doubt that this was 100% the ATC's fault. You should never let planes get into a situation where TCAS is engaged in the first place. I couldn't believe it when I saw the radar readout with the two planes at the same altitude that close, i.e. the FIRST time it shows the radar screen, let alone minutes later. The Russians didn't react as well as they could, but definitely the ATC's fault. Poor, poor guy.
You're right that it couldnt have happened if the ATC had been watching the screen properly, but it also couldnt have happened if both pilots obeyed TCAS IMMEDIATELY and regardless of what ATC was ordering them to do. Until recently (certainly 40 years ago)TCAS was not in use and an ATC had to be completely relied upon for preventing collisions if visibility was poor. Now, a pilot should ALWAYS respond to a RA over ATC, be it stall/TCAS/GPWS and they should do so IMMEDIATELY as it sounds.
@jonoderidder Apart from he didn't know his computer wasn't working, and didn't warn him about the fact that the two plaines would collide.
And for anyone who says it was the Russian pilots fault, for not obeying TCAS, yes they should have done and that was only made obvious and clear after the crash. At the time of the accident the use of TCAS and ATC wasn't clear. Look at the near miss collission in Japan in 2001.
Not really a proper respons mutulatu23! I'm sure it was not the controllers wish to let the two planes collide. True,he made some big mistakes, but the biggest (fatal) mistake was made by the Russion flight crew. You should know that all pilots are told to follow ATC instructions UNLESS (!!!) the onboard computers (such as the TCAS) provides a different solution. In other words; TCAS must be followed,even if ATC says different. You should really be better informed before making such a statement!
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"Blood for blood": That ATC mass-murderer had deserved to die like a pig and so he did! A good warning for all his colleagues to do their job thoroughly!Vitaly's wife and children now may sleep well!
The same rules apply as the GOL fligh 1907, if you start to prosecute people, they will hide their mistakes to cover their own ass instead of telling the truth.
Fact: On 24 February 2004, the controller who was on duty at the time, Dane Peter Nielsen, was stabbed to death by Vitaly Kaloyev, who had lost his wife and two children in the accident
what would you do when some1 advises u 2 descend whil ehte plain is telling 2 climb, maybe the they though the controller knew that the other plain was climbing, but no, he wasn't paying attention!
I think he says "no fucking traffic". Maybe he thinks that the ATC would have warned them already if there was actually a traffic getting too close from them. Unfortunately the ATC doesn't look very aware of what is going on in the sky...
He was actually not to blame for this accident. This crash was a result of a chain of events and there was many other people involved. Watch the whole
4:40 "International rules prevent him from talking to the pilots directly"
JUST FUCKING DO IT
HittokiriBatosai 3 weeks ago
The sader thing was, there was a wife and daughter of a man on that Russian plane, it was that's man only family of his generation, so he murdered the ATC :(
1lann 1 month ago
8:21 - 8:32 The Tu-154m literally distinergrates when the DHL plane clips its underbelly. R.I.P. everyone on both planes!!!
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i hope atc remembers this there whole life and carry the guilt that he killed all those people along with the other pilot that was trying to land while those planes were about to crash
thenoobcando 6 months ago
@thenoobcando
what are you talking about?
123rushfan1 5 months ago
what a sad story...
jasuscaredo 6 months ago
Man I felt sorry for Peter...I can only imagine what kind of crushing guilt he must have felt, even tough it wasnt his fault... =(
And the fact that he got killed by Vitali Konstantinovitš (who lost his wife and child in the accident) two years later, made this tradegy even more sad =(
Balnazzardi 8 months ago
@Balnazzardi do you mean that the controller Peter did the thing every controller should do?
Lucasdeboer 7 months ago
type in "ski crashes" in the youtube search and click the video with stars in the title to be shocked!
godnoomgodnoom 8 months ago 152
KAAA BOOOMM
Scitech101 9 months ago
They are wrong, Peter Nielson went back to work at Skynet after the court case was supposedly settled. They offered the Russians $15,000. Euros per dead child. Peter Nielson allowed his employees to nap while the main flight controller system was down for maintenance and while they were using a back up with limited capability. He blamed the Russian pilots for ignoring TCAS
following his insistence they descend into the path of the DHL.
He is to blame.
jdollinter 9 months ago
@jdollinter No he isnt. He allowed his employees to take a nap before he even knew that maintenance is coming, and also unexpected maintenance is fault of the company, not Nielson. And he blamed no one, official investigation team blamed russian pilots from not obeying TCAS, as TCAS always has bigger priority than controller, so if controller tells you to descend and TCAS to climb you should climb.
Pvjinflight 8 months ago
Lessons to all controllers:Don't eat food with nice taste and smell if u don't wanna brush ur teeth.Pilots will get ur attention XD
LuqmanHak1m 9 months ago
@HuasoPodrido yah ur rite
LuqmanHak1m 9 months ago
LFAOOOO AT 8:40 HAHAHAHAHA I LUAGHEDDD SO FUCKING HARDDD
troll2282 9 months ago
@troll2282 Why?
FiltyCow 8 months ago
@troll2282 U sir are a cruel and uncaring person! Laughing at an air disaster sheesh moran!
mycarvideos21 8 months ago
@killieguyno1 lol u order a parcel
LuqmanHak1m 10 months ago
lol the russian pilot said fuck
LuqmanHak1m 10 months ago
damn dhl my parcel is lost
killieguyno1 10 months ago
God damn it i lost the lotto....
Logo3801 10 months ago
Classic case of too many monkeys on the football and no one taking the initiative to run with it. It's simply sad that 6 professionals in two cockpits and another on the ground, mixed in with a little technology, couldn't overcome the 1 in a billion chance that these two aircraft would occupy the same minuscule amount of airspace at the exact same moment. The human mind at times, no matter how much we marvel at its abilities, can be our own worst enemy. May all rest in peace forever.
1320runner 10 months ago
Realistically, the controller was probably bored out of his mind and slacking off. Probably fell asleep or something.
atsay714 11 months ago
Sadly... TCAS was right all the time....
sonicfan7 11 months ago
I still can't watch this withouth shitting my pants. Believe I'm no fucking pussy, I can watch any toher episode just fine. I even can laugh at times about how stupid the pilots were killing everyone onboard *cough* Birgenair Flight 301 *cough*
But this... is just horrible. The way this happened, it was just a typical situation of: "when you walk on the street and you try to evade a man but the man tries to evades you the same side and again you try go go to the other side but its to late"
sonicfan7 11 months ago
By far... THE MOST TERRIFYING Plane crash ever.
I'm a hardcore simmer and watched every episode of ACI. This episode rings alarm... There are still NO proper rules wether to follow TCAS Actions or ATC.
sonicfan7 11 months ago
@sonicfan7 NO proper rules wether to follow TCAS Actions or ATC? WHAT? Where did you get that info? Before this accident took place, pilots around the world MUST comply with TCAS, as this system interacts with other TCAS. One TCAS "questions" the other TCAS and and order is issued to both traffics. 1st TCAS action, then pilots inform the ATC they have a Resolution Advisory. I don't know where did you get that.... its completly wrong
juyg7h8yh 8 months ago
@juyg7h8yh Well that's what i've heard on several forums. Anyway that ATC was an idiot, not monitoring a conflict situation. Just wtf, every ATC is trained to monitor it until it is clear of conflict. But that ATC management sucked aswell. Russian pilots failed to inform of TCAS Action. The only innocent plane really was the DHL. It advised and executed a proper Tcas descent.
sonicfan7 8 months ago
@sonicfan7 once again, you are wrong. As always happens, ACCIDENTS are a chain of events. This accident was very particular because:
1st: ATC was on 2 screens (breach of safety from Sky Guide, which was ATC Service provider at Switzerland)
2nd: as a technician was that day working on some things around phones, or something like that, this technician disconected some systems (I think) from Nielsen's ATC station. This provoked that the system which advises traffic conflict was OUT OF SERVICE.
juyg7h8yh 8 months ago
@sonicfan7 that's why another ATC could see the conflict.
3rd: failure of TU154 crew for not following TCAS. pilots first followed ATC instruction, then TCAS. After this, it was ruled for all the world FIRST TCAS, then ATC
4rd: failure of 757 crew to report RESOLUTION ADVISORY from TCAS
Finally, ATC was not to blame.Imagine you are working as a bus driver, and your brakes fail and you run over people. It was not your fault,it was someone else.
juyg7h8yh 8 months ago
@sonicfan7 Would you like to be pointed and be told YOU ARE GUILTY?
I hope I had helped you
Cheers
juyg7h8yh 8 months ago
It only clipped the belly... More like sliced through it.
raptors222222 1 year ago
This is so sad..
94GTX94 1 year ago
always follow your instruments, unless your an idiot.
HuasoPodrido 1 year ago
@HuasoPodrido thats true
FSXPiilots 11 months ago
JUST LOOK AT 9:10 AND IMAGINE HOW MANY THINGS HAD PASSED THROUGH HIM THAT TIME. POOR KIDS AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO WERE ON THIS PLANE. WHAT HAPPENED, HAS HAPPENED.
BUT, WHY KILL THE CONTROLLER? HE WAS UNDER GREAT PRESSURE. WE DO UNDERSTAND THE KILLER'S PAIN (HE LOST HIS WIFE AND TWO KIDS) BUT WHY KILL THE CONTROLLER. BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
ANYWAY, REST IN PEACE FOR EVERYONE :( !
MegaBassPlayer97Gr 1 year ago
Man, when he saw they were so close why didn't he stay with them for a little bit instead of going strait back to the other plane, then he would have heard the TCAS decent.
TheSoundDesign 1 year ago
nice ending
XimbetterthanuXx 1 year ago
i feel the worst for the controller....:( ATC work harder & under more stressful conditions than they get credit for..this is the worst nightmare they could ever imagine :( & they he got killed for it. sad for all involved
thesecret14 1 year ago 3
@thesecret14 really? he got killed?
DrNeur0tic 1 year ago
@DrNeur0tic He got stabbed by Vitaly Kaloyev, who lost his wife and 2 children in the collision.
mylife1221 1 year ago
@mylife1221 OMG, but he was innocent! The pilots didn't follow instructions.
DrNeur0tic 1 year ago
Humans make misses machines don't
MrScotini 1 year ago
After killing the ATC, the russian man got his wife and kids back. I don't get it, what purpose it could have solved by killing the ATC?
kozeel 1 year ago
the dhl pilots had 2 minutes knowing they have no chance and that they are gonna die for sure . so sad!!!
yoyaya007 1 year ago
After that, a memorial was made for the people whom died in that accident. People blamed the poor controller, but it was actually Skyguide, the company. First of all, the controller had to control two posts for a person, so he wasnt able to pay attention. He also was stripped from pretty much what a controller needs, so he doesnt know if the other plane is desending. He was stripped due to a maitenence, so he cant use the the telephone, the radar, ect. He was later killed, by a man with a knife.
Computergeew 1 year ago 3
Unbelievable mid-air collision!
kozeel 1 year ago
I really don't understand WHY do they put two planes on the same course? WHY?? Why can't you just make the planes ALWAYS fly 1000 feet apart? Why did he put both of them at 36,000 feet any fucking way?
kozeel 1 year ago
@kozeel Both of those flights had pre made flightplans that choose their altitude, controllers job is just keep them in altitude that is in flightplan/pilot wants if possible, and if there is conflict then command other plane to descend.
That Tupolev flight was also charter flight.
Pvjinflight 1 year ago
@kozeel beacause they were both flying east. One flew HDG 340 the other one 110. It's required to fly them an even Flight level....
sonicfan7 11 months ago
Every time I watch the part when the Tupolev chops the tail off the Boeing, I get the chills...
Ikaruszaki 1 year ago
At the time there was no ruling as to who has priority - TCAS or ATC. Since this incident pilots are now taught that TCAS has priority over ATC so this can not occur again
kaiballa 1 year ago
All I'm going to say is thats sad and I think the controller should have let the tcaf tell them what to do but hey shit happens and i have full respects and feel pain for all the famlies
USMCorNothing 1 year ago
its not right to blame 1 person for such terrible disaster \, especcially when he didnt mean that. some bigger authorities have to be blamed.
AlphaMaleGangsta7777 1 year ago
controller's fault is minor. think bout tat: if gave TCAST priority that wudnt happen. 2.if the phones were working and auto crash detect was working.....
3. if there were 2 controllers... 4.if the pilots... 5. controller.
AlphaMaleGangsta7777 1 year ago
Was the ATC running on macs or something??
sisko197 1 year ago
Russians belived to controller, and then he killed them.
st4tor 1 year ago
@st4tor
The Russians killed themselves. You have to always listen to TCAS, if the ATC interrupts, you only have to say TCAS ascend/descend and he won't interrupt again.
It was the Russians fault, not the ATC's
mocsarichard2 1 year ago
@mocsarichard2 fuck you moron, a pilot has to follow the ATC first! That's the primary!
andreirfb 1 year ago
@andreirfb
When the TCAS came in into the planes, that become the priority as the DHL's pilots did it. It's even on Wikipedia, under "TCAS". Of course you can't always make good choises under pressure.
mocsarichard2 1 year ago
@andreirfb NO TCAS is the priority when you have conflicting reports
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st4tor 1 year ago
This happened on my 7th birthday. Dag.
TheBeatlesRoooock 1 year ago
Flight Controller, Peter Nielsen was later killed by Vitaly Kaloyev, the father of two girls and wife on the russian flight. After two years in jail he was released because his mental condition was not considered in his sentence. After his release Vitaly was known as a hero in North Ossetia, and is now a deputy construction minister there.
SkatingAndJerking 1 year ago
The pilots rely on the assistance and help of the controllers although TCAS has to be followed first. If the systems in front of the controller are not trustable due to maintenance work what the hell is is air traffic controll for? Skyguide is crazy to switch off all systems and even all phons without telling anybody. Neither their own nor the foreign controllers had any chance to communicate to each other in an emergency!
matthiashaenni 1 year ago
thats not his fault he was just trying to help other planes too!!!!
preppygal8 1 year ago
Also not to often do you see the actual pre crash pictures of a crew that died in a crash as you did at the beginning of this video. In some cases you can see them such as Swiss Air 111's captain or Air Florida Palm 90 but no luck finding Delta 191 or many other crews pre crash photos...
BIGGREENLEAF1 1 year ago
Wow the guy who played the pilot looked almost like the real pilot who was being evaluated by the co-pilot for this flight. The rest of the actors really didn't even look close to the real people...
BIGGREENLEAF1 1 year ago
There was a maintenance operation on Zurich radar the day when this collision happened. I think the technicians, before doing the operation on the radar, shoud tell the controller that the radar safety line will be disactivated. If the controller had known it from the technicians, maybe he could save the two planes...
TheRaptor3945 1 year ago
it's no one's fault, just miscommunication....only 1 controller handling both the planes....
joship08 1 year ago
I wonder if the pilots saw the other plane comming
Kambanicity 1 year ago
@Kambanicity probably no time for that......
MrDanieldb 1 year ago
There are better TCAS systems than was shown here. Obviously there are risks here, but geez with all that experience that was a shame. The TCAS was right. The controller wasn't.
vincedog3 2 years ago
@vincedog3 the controller could not know that tcas gave the pilots intructions
Kambanicity 1 year ago
@vincedog3 That why you always listen to the TCAS. Even if the ATC give you instuctions
hallopapa111 1 year ago
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looks like a movie....wait.....it is one
GuitarHeroJohnny 2 years ago
6:00 "ah fucking traffic, why?" i love the russians. too bad theyre the ones who god cut in half i bet they could have brought that other one down safe. well probably not but still. badass russians
nmzanie 2 years ago 3
gaspeli ,you are stupid (((((
acamijatovic 2 years ago
gaspeli je retardirani covek bez icega ljudskog u sebi. dabogda njemu poginuli ovako najblizi. saucesce ruskom pilotu, a ovog retardiranog svajcarcsa bi nabio na dozivotnu u zatvor, za namernu smrt nevinih ljudi.
miodrag2005l 2 years ago
@acamijatovic why is it not true???
gaspeli 2 years ago
wait so what happened to peter neilson?
Julian24151 2 years ago
@Julian24151 he was murdered by the father of one of the girls on the russian flight
iiiset 2 years ago 3
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gaspeli 2 years ago
you stupid and retards man
miodrag2005l 2 years ago
The controller was killed by a man who lost his 2 kids and wife
batainah28 2 years ago 35
@batainah28 Fuck I would too!
natebot321 1 year ago
@batainah28: and the murderer was pardoned and received as hero back home. Complete perversion of justice.
theWall0719 1 year ago
@batainah28 I thought the controller committed suicide because he couldn't handle the guilt.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
@batainah28 Is that really true?
branting2 1 year ago
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@branting2 yes it's true
batainah28 1 year ago
@batainah28 do you agree with his action? i dont. i do feel sorry for the victims of this collision and for this man but do you agree with his action of killing the controller?>
MegaBassPlayer97Gr 1 year ago
i dont agree with the killing of the controller
cheekyfeel 1 year ago
@batainah28 is it real? or is it a joke?
fryanventu 6 months ago
@fryanventu
it is a real
batainah28 6 months ago
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Even though not Peter Nielsen's guilty, he made the wrong decision to claim 71 lives. He paid his life for their death!
This case warns the World - you should take responsibility for thing you have done. Some mistake can't occurr or the consequence can't? be reversed!
hongkongsmartboy 2 years ago
Even though not Peter Nielsen's guilty, he made the wrong decision to claim 71 lives. He paid his life for their death!
This case warns the World - you should take responsibility for thing you have done. Some mistake can't occurr or the consequence can't? be reversed!
hongkongsmartboy 2 years ago 3
@hongkongsmartboy It's not his fault its the company. he didn't intend to murder them!
hallopapa111 1 year ago
thats terrible!!!!!!!
underfry 2 years ago
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the DHL won the mid air Demo Derby crash because they cut the TU in half with their razor sharp rudder.
sideslide23 2 years ago
8:19 ouch owned
meatwad1667 2 years ago
Another sad tragedy is, that air controller get stab and die on the scene by one of the family plane victim and he get jailed. Now he is release and was appointed deputy construction minister of North Ossetia
chelseafcbest90 2 years ago
not making sence.. who went to jail and who died, and whos working as a construction deputy? please explain..:)
JuanTown 2 years ago
One of the air crash family member stab that blue shirt air controller at his work place and die immediately. That one family member get jailed and now he has been released and appointed because people call him a hero.
chelseafcbest90 2 years ago
He has been released because he was found to be insane.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago
fuck... IM crying... its really stupid crush...
transitil 2 years ago
ATC management incompetence and system failures were the main cause of the disaster. It wasnt the atc or any of the pilots... R.I.P to all of those who lost there lives in that horrible disaster
guitarmaster127 2 years ago
It was partly the fault of the Russian pilots. Standard international procedure was and is to ALWAYS obey an automated alert, be it TCAS/GPWS/windshear/stall rather than obey an ATC command. Of course this would not have mattered had the ATC not directed the aircraft onto a collision course.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago 3
lol
Channel Prime!
bulletlukeybullet 2 years ago
it is the mistake of the pilot!!! he didn't announce ATC about the TCAS. R.I.P.
paice95 2 years ago
just follow what the computer says... remember that computers are smarter than us humans..
ck23adik 2 years ago 2
Well, in most cases it is but sometimes it isn't.
maxsuperdudeisawesom 2 years ago
oh... yeah... you're right... i just forgot to put it in here :)
ck23adik 2 years ago
Computers can only be as smart as the people that create them...
jeanjones9154 2 years ago 13
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That`s right.But sadly only one plane followed its` instructions...
storskarven 1 year ago
@jeanjones9154 If the computer had been obeyed (by having one plane descend and one plane climb) that catastrophy would have been averted. when two TCAS equiped airplane get Resolution advisory, their transponder will communicate so that one plane will descend and the other will climb. Computer 1 - 0 Man
Esurnir 11 months ago
it was the total mistake of ATC
i think
naveedjibran1 2 years ago
Yes, but that is only the failure of one system. In most cases multiple systems have to fail for an accident to occur, and that happened here. The last resort TCAS system could have saved both aircraft even once the ATC failed, if the pilots had both followed correct ICAO procedure. Unfortunately one of the crews obeyed the ATC rather than TCAS so the failsafe was also defeated.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago
Obey the TCAS !
distortdude80 2 years ago 2
R.I.P =[ =[ =[ =[
SWAfan33 2 years ago
00:13 secs Gold Lottery Results 30-43-42-10-14-4 lol
kingtate5 2 years ago
lol thats hilarioous
sealdog201 2 years ago
ikr lol those guys were dumbshits, they saw the plane on the colision thingy and they didnt even turn
DV00B 2 years ago
"ah fucking traffic" lool
tragic disaster RIP
sajdsdasio 2 years ago 3
THis was a grave travesty. This should have never happened with TCAS II. FAA and EASA really put a stomp on TCAS III programs which would have given vertical and lateral resolution advisories. That would have surely helped here. It is hard to understand why the crews didn't take a lateral course of action.
Hopefully ADS-B will prived an extra measure.
canaanav 2 years ago
Hope so.
lynxxxxie 2 years ago
Ya gotta feel something for Peter. I feel so bad for him! He never meant for it to happen!!!!
=(
Lancelot13JasperHale 2 years ago
I feel sorry for Peter...Its not his fault :(
FLIGHTCOMPANY 2 years ago 3
that sucks the controller made a big mistake. a relative from the flight murdered him 1 month later rip peter
KrazyTrain18 2 years ago
8:22 HOLY
SSBBXDSSBM 2 years ago
Dam Peters collision warning not working.A ATC without collison warnings like a engine without oil.Sooner or later something will f*** up.
TrentVenture 2 years ago
This is one of my favorite ACI episodes, you can only imagine how the final seconds terrified the crew, both the Bashkirian Air line and the DHL.....the reenactment was realistic.
glideslope123 2 years ago
Actually the DHL pilots (as all western pilots) were clearly taught that TCAS was to be followed rather than the ATC, although obviously this had no effect on the accident. The Russian training manual was selfcontradictory. In one paragraph it said that TCAS was an additional instrument to be used alongside ATC, while a seperate part mentioned that TCAS took priority over ATC. I think the Capt. knew this and probably would have reacted correctly if the check capt. had not overruled him.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago 3
SAD!! :'( love planes
apotekarna 2 years ago
yea peter, GO CRY!
Coolspike9 2 years ago
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Hahahahahahahahahhahahahaha thats fucked up xD. I bet those computers ran Windows 2000! Ur gay if you thumbs down this comment or mark as spam!
KioskHacking 2 years ago
This really shouldntnt have happened. rip
rasto6 2 years ago
the guy in the atc got murdered !?!?!?! no jokes
ToonTownMadness 2 years ago
Nielsen should have made sure he spoke to BOTH planes before leaving his post.
donnafpct 2 years ago
if they are telling him different things should a pilot obey air traffic control or his collision avoidance tcas thing?
19996669991 2 years ago
RIP
anuploader 2 years ago
Watched it again. Still can't get over that ATC - he gives someone an urgent traffic warning then goes to do something else? That part surely can't be accurate. At that point he's already in a situation where they are well inside separation and he's going to have to do an incident report.
jonoderidder 2 years ago
My Dad was an ATC for nearly 40 years, been with him in the tower, and I'm in no doubt that this was 100% the ATC's fault. You should never let planes get into a situation where TCAS is engaged in the first place. I couldn't believe it when I saw the radar readout with the two planes at the same altitude that close, i.e. the FIRST time it shows the radar screen, let alone minutes later. The Russians didn't react as well as they could, but definitely the ATC's fault. Poor, poor guy.
jonoderidder 2 years ago
You're right that it couldnt have happened if the ATC had been watching the screen properly, but it also couldnt have happened if both pilots obeyed TCAS IMMEDIATELY and regardless of what ATC was ordering them to do. Until recently (certainly 40 years ago)TCAS was not in use and an ATC had to be completely relied upon for preventing collisions if visibility was poor. Now, a pilot should ALWAYS respond to a RA over ATC, be it stall/TCAS/GPWS and they should do so IMMEDIATELY as it sounds.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago
@jonoderidder Apart from he didn't know his computer wasn't working, and didn't warn him about the fact that the two plaines would collide.
And for anyone who says it was the Russian pilots fault, for not obeying TCAS, yes they should have done and that was only made obvious and clear after the crash. At the time of the accident the use of TCAS and ATC wasn't clear. Look at the near miss collission in Japan in 2001.
coventrydavid 4 months ago
It was a combination of things, really. But, I believe that the primary responsibility lies with the Russian pilots.
jstrahan2 2 years ago
I think I'm starting to cry for the kids who didn't survive
Kirbyblue96 2 years ago 2
Not really a proper respons mutulatu23! I'm sure it was not the controllers wish to let the two planes collide. True,he made some big mistakes, but the biggest (fatal) mistake was made by the Russion flight crew. You should know that all pilots are told to follow ATC instructions UNLESS (!!!) the onboard computers (such as the TCAS) provides a different solution. In other words; TCAS must be followed,even if ATC says different. You should really be better informed before making such a statement!
justanotheruser4 2 years ago
That order came AFTER the collision had happened.
mutulatu23 2 years ago
omg that was horrible, a very tragic mistake.
emsky333 2 years ago 2
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"Blood for blood": That ATC mass-murderer had deserved to die like a pig and so he did! A good warning for all his colleagues to do their job thoroughly!Vitaly's wife and children now may sleep well!
mutulatu23 2 years ago
it was a failiure of the skyguide management
putolinefourstroke 2 years ago 10
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mutulatu23 2 years ago
Then why THEY were not condemned? If I was a judge I would give 'em a magnificent firing squad!
mutulatu23 2 years ago 2
The same rules apply as the GOL fligh 1907, if you start to prosecute people, they will hide their mistakes to cover their own ass instead of telling the truth.
katananja 2 years ago
Murder requires intent and malice aforethought. Neilsen had no intent to cause the deaths of all those people, let alone did he plan it in advance.
fightingtemeraire 2 years ago
6:01 f%@&ing traffic!!!!
muhammadswati 2 years ago
Holy Shit.
dude1455 2 years ago
fuck, haven't got the lotto results :P
llllllrrrrrr 2 years ago
Oh my god. I myself am a pilot so this is... I dont even have the words.
AmundRe 2 years ago
i don't think the ATC controller deserves to die, regardless of how tragic his mistake was. It was unintentional.
hareega 3 years ago
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mutulatu23 2 years ago
jesus thats scary...
bh3ader 3 years ago
Fact: On 24 February 2004, the controller who was on duty at the time, Dane Peter Nielsen, was stabbed to death by Vitaly Kaloyev, who had lost his wife and two children in the accident
balln325 3 years ago
why do they have 5 people in the cockpit???
phantokamaxilos 3 years ago
actually they need 4, 5. man is not on duty :)
Nikola16789 3 years ago
oh, thanks ^_^
phantokamaxilos 3 years ago
They just need more controllers!!!
what would you do when some1 advises u 2 descend whil ehte plain is telling 2 climb, maybe the they though the controller knew that the other plain was climbing, but no, he wasn't paying attention!
joeytje07 3 years ago
OMGdness!! splitting it in two!! imagine the people that were thrown into the air... thats messesd up.
JohnMorrison6189 3 years ago
i kno this is kinda messed up but lol @ 00:13
Jesinator911 3 years ago 2
haha
eightwillwontcannot 3 years ago
Scary.
hummvee5 3 years ago 2
Shouldn't the TCAS have the priority in case of very close traffic?
Renard380 3 years ago
at 06:02 what does he say
pppppppppppppppppsds 3 years ago
I think he says "no fucking traffic". Maybe he thinks that the ATC would have warned them already if there was actually a traffic getting too close from them. Unfortunately the ATC doesn't look very aware of what is going on in the sky...
Renard380 3 years ago
this is so sad
fsxmatthew 3 years ago
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This air controller must be in a eletric-chair.
jorgeabujamra 3 years ago
he is already dead.
crazyboyisback 3 years ago
He was actually not to blame for this accident. This crash was a result of a chain of events and there was many other people involved. Watch the whole