Brazile: GOP Has No Alternative To Health Reform, "Name A Bill"

[boogeyman1009]

Tell this broad to shut her mouth when others are talking.

[bigtex501]

SENATE HEALTH CARE PLAN

PART 1

Congressional Budget Office Projects Reid Bill to cost ***$2.5 TRILLION***!

Increases TAXES on Americans by $892 BILLION!

$2813.79 AVERAGE COST to Americans!

$509 BILLION in cuts to Medicaid by FORCING the STATES to "absorb 50% of the cost"!

TAXES ... Medical devices, prescription drugs, people with health related problems, insurance premiums TWICE, HSAs, FSAs, HRAs, and cosmetic surgery!

40% TAX on Cadillac Plans!

[bigtex501]

SENATE HEALTH CARE PLAN Part 2 NOW leaves 24 MILLION people with NO COVERAGE! NOW gives $5,500 per person SUBSIDIES to 19M Americans! Allows Fed Funding of abortions! Starts TAXING for the program in 2010 that wont start until 2014/2015! STILL separates the $245 BILLION "DOC FIX" legislation! STILL includes a 20% National Sales Tax! NOW CUTS $491 BILLION from Medicare STARTING in 2010! STILL MANDATES that people BUY health care insurance or pay $750 in TAXES! STILL covers ILLEGALS!

[bigtex501]

HR 3962

Congressional Budget Office..

estimates what "THE PLANS" will likely cost..

Individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance WILL PAY a $5,300 premium & an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses..

TOTAL OF $7,300 a year, OR...

***17% of HIS pre-tax income***!

A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes WILL PAY a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 in out-of-pocket expenses..

TOTAL OF $20,300, OR...

***20% of THEIR pre-tax income***!

[bigtex501]

TODAY'S POLLS!

-15 obamer approval index! ***NEW LOW***

54% DISAPPROVE of obamer & ONLY 45% approve!

ONLY 38% SUPPORT "DEM'S HEALTH CARE Plan"! ***NEW LOW***

(43% **STRONGLY** OPPOSE "THE DEM'S Plan"!)

ONLY 16% say the Dems H.C. Plan will **LOWER COSTS**

60% say it will RAISE COSTS!!!

60% of Seniors OPPOSE the Plan!

63% of voters nationwide say...

"Guaranteeing that NO ONE is FORCED to change their H.C coverage is a HIGHER PRIORITY than giving choice of a "PUBLIC OPTION"!!!

[bigtex501]

THE DEMOCRAT'S PLANS????

CBS NEWS..

Will ONLY cover 94% of the 330 Million people in America???

So that means that ***19.8 Million*** people will NOT GET COVERED???

And like Medicare... if they follow the same pattern of 6.9% that are "DENIED" medical care....

Then ***22.77 Million*** people will be.....

"DENIED MEDICAL CARE"???

Now WHO supports this????

[jaroncreed]

so it only covers 94% of the population and that is unacceptable to you? Do Repubs have a bill that covers 100% of the population? Until they do STFU moron

[bigtex501]

Jaron,

Yeah, it's "unaceptable" to me when it's just ANOTHER broken promise by obamer & the Dems when all this started they said... "to ensure that ALL would get the health care coverage they deserve"!

AND.. obamer used the number "47 Million" (which included 12 Million illegals)... and NOW under the current Senate Bill... there's 24 MILLION that won't be covered!!!!

Under ANY business plan....

when a "plan" ONLY obtains HALF of it's goal... would be REJECTED BIG TIME!!!

Get it yet????

[jaroncreed]

Wrong under the current Senate bill only 6 million will not be covered. Where do you get your lies from Hannity?

[bigtex501]

Jaron,

Try reading the accounts of the Congressional Budget Office & the Congressional Research Service to get the numbers!!!

However.... the numbers got WORSE in the Senate Health Care Proposal.... NOW it's 24 MILLION PEOPLE will NOT be covered under the Harry Reid Plan!

But MORE importantly.. how much will this FORCED MANDATE to buy insurance cost YOU???

Watch for the next postings from the CBO... but you're NOT going to like what you see!

Be ready to loose MORE of YOUR money!!!

[bigtex501]

CBS NEWS

BROKEN PROMISES BY OBAMA

"LOWER PREMIUMS by $2,500 for a Family of Four" ????

obama "If you've got health insurance through your employer, you can keep your health insurance, keep your choice of doctor, keep your plan," obama said on 10-15-08 debate against McCain.

"The only thing we're going to try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed onto you.

And we estimate we can ***CUT***the average family's premium by about $2,500 per year."

[bigtex501]

"LOWER PREMIUMS" (cont)

CBO.. "For most preventive services, expanded utilization leads to higher, not lower, medical spending overall.

The legislation from the Senate Finance Committee could result in higher premiums for customers.

The insurance industry is threatening that the $6 billion industry-wide fee & other taxes Sen. Baucus has proposed will be passed on to consumers.

This means

It may be YEARS OR DECADES before any overall savings from obama's plans materialize.....if at all."

[bigtex501]

CBS NEWS

BROKEN PROMISES BY OBAMA

"The Government to negotiate drug prices"

obama.."We'll negotiate with the drug companies for the cheapest available price on drugs"

LA Times

"Tauzin (Chief Pharmaceutical LOBBYIST) secured an agreement with OBAMA!

"In return for pledging $80 billion in cost savings over 10 years, the OBAMA administration has promised to BACK OFF FROM PRICE-SETTING on the Medicare Part D drug program as well as from importing cheaper drugs from Canada or Europe!"

[bigtex501]

CBS

BROKEN PROMISES BY OBAMA

"Transparency"

obama.. "I will bring all parties together, & NOT negotiate behind closed doors, & broadcast those negotiations on C-SPAN so that the American people can see what the choices are."

Obama has announced deals with groups like the pharmaceutical industry & the insurance industry after they were worked out in backroom deals.

Meanwhile, Baucus, not only shut out the public, but shut out most of his own committee from his "bipartisan negotiations."

[bigtex501]

CBS NEWS

BROKEN PROMISES BY OBAMA

"Chance to READ the bills"

Sept 2008

obama... "When there is a bill that ends up on my desk as President, YOU the public will have **5 days** to LOOK ON LINE and find out whats in it BEFORE I sign it"!

Sept 2009

Democrats voted DOWN even 72 hours to read ANY LEGISLATION due to..

"The STUPID American People" would **NOT be able to understand the wording** in these Bills and...

it would be "TOO CONFUSING"!

[joshuag5732]

I support the public option.

[bigtex501]

DEMOCRAT'S DEFINITION of...

***HOPE*** & ***CHANGE***...

...the advancement of any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods!

.... a system of society or group living in which there is no private property!

....a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state!

Webster's DEFINES THESE AS....

***SOCIALISM***!!!

[bigtex501]

VOTERS TRUST REPUBLICANS MORE THAN DEMOCRATS on all 10 key electoral issues STILL! 46% to 40% on HEALTH CARE!!!! 50% to 35% on TAXES!!!! 49% to 35% on the Economy 54% to 35% on National Security 50% to 31% on Iraq 45% to 37% on Social Security 43% to 38% on Education 47% to 35% on Abortion 42% would vote for Republican congressional candidate while 37% would for his or her Democratic opponent!

[greyflcn]

re: bigtex501

According to Rasmussen

which isn't saying much.

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[joshuag5732]

THen why did President Obama win the election by a landslide? WHy did the Republicans lose seats in both the senate and the house of representatives for the second election in a row. WHy do most people support health care reform and the Republicans have yet to offer a plan that either McConnell or Boehner support?

[gone2cast]

what are these liberals? everywhere you go someone is talking about them..

[groquecrushridge]

H.R. 3400. Do you really think that Democrats would vote to let a Repub bill out of committee?

Democrats, never let Donna Brazile go. She's a keeper!

[greyflcn]

What makes you think removing consumers purchasing leverage, torts, and telling people "be healthy" is a serious bill?

You saying thats the best Republicans have to show for themselves?

HR3400 is a joke

[groquecrushridge]

HR3400 removes federal/state restrictions on purchasing health insurance which would do more than the marxist wetdream of a bill that 3200 is. But you don't want to seriously have competition do you. Of course not. It's government control or nothing.

If you really want to punish the health insurance companies, make them compete across state lines. Their anemic 6% profits will shrink to nothing.

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Also remind me how that would prevent them from merely merging like crazy, and then relocating to the state that makes it easiest to avoid putting their fees towards actually treating sick people.

For instance, making it easier to avoid taking on people who may get sick

Or easier to kick people off who do get sick.

Or just in general a way that makes it hard for a company to be sued.

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Since that's what happened to conventional insurance.

[groquecrushridge]

The results you're projecting here aren't right, but the scenario would allow for more competition. I have the choice of about 7 insurance companies where I live. There are hundreds of unique insurance companies that exist in the US. I would personally rather choose from more options than just a few. The bad ones go bankrupt, and the good ones profit.

Btw, the highest rejector of health care claims is Medicare. Government is the problem, not the solution.

[greyflcn]

re: groque

That last bit might have something to do with the fact that 40% of the US population is covered by Federal health programs already.

Also if government is the problem, then why do countries with federal programs (i.e. pretty much all of them besides us) pay so much less, and get so much better results?

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Also, if "profit" is a measure of how little the money the consumer gives, is given back. How do you get "bad doesn't profit"?

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Also w/ conventional insurance

You can buy a cheap car, and pay much less

You can buy a cheap house, and pay much less

Overall, there's little difference in function. It's mostly aesthetic.

You don't however get to pick whether or not you want to be a human being. And there's no such thing as a cheap heart bypass surgery.

When the price of a product is based on how much you want to continue being a self sufficient and alive human being. How can the price match the actual cost?

[greyflcn]

re: groque

That said, I'd be perfectly fine with the Swiss approach to private healthcare insurance.

[groquecrushridge]

Your points are all over the board wrong. Try this, food is WAY too important to leave in the hands of capitalists. The government needs to create "competitive options" to the greedy market. People are dying of hunger. You care about starvation, right?

Your life-expectancy vs spending chart is apples and oranges. It's quality of life that's important. You can live in a dungeon for pennies a month and live a long (controlled) life. It also doesn't take into account types of death (non-health).

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Same issue though.

Food, from a raw nutrition basis is very cheap. The main difference in costs is aesthetic (taste and visual)

What's more, as I'm sure you're aware. Corn and Soy, the basis of most foods in America, is highly subsidized.

Further, back in the 1950's food was so expensive that it was the basis of the federal poverty rates in the US.

And even still we have food stamps.

[groquecrushridge]

watch?v=HdLtWuf5yEg

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Dentists in India? What?

Oh, or are you honestly comparing that to health in countries like Germany, France, England, Canada, Sweden?

All of which get far superior "quality" and quantity of care than what US citizens get.

[groquecrushridge]

Sorry, I didn't comment along with that, but here's an example of a procedure that probably cost a total of $3. You've been focusing a lot on the assumption that health procedures are hugely expensive and fixed in price. The dentist example simply shows that there are varying ways of cost to deliver a procedure, albeit this example is far into the lowest of quality and cost.

Costs are climbing because government enforces an environment dependent on health care insurance.

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Frankly, costs aren't the issue.The issue is prices. And the reason prices are going up is because the profit margin of insurance companies is going up.

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[groquecrushridge]

Up to 2%?

AP news us_fact_check_health_insurance

Doctors lose money when they have to treat a Medicare claim. And Medicare is the top percentage denier of claims. Government is the problem, and Republicans want to get Government out of the way. Government is what's driving high prices of health care.

Back to the main topic, H.R.3400. Donna Brazile misrepresents what the Republicans are trying to do by saying they don't want reform. She lies.

[greyflcn]

re: groque

That's medicare.

And frankly I agree with that one portion of HR3400 which says that Medicare should move to a more fee-for-service approach. (Similar to how the Mayo Clinic, or Kaiser Permanente function)

But then again, practically everyone agrees to that.

AND, that doesn't really have much to do with the behavior of for-profit insurance.

[greyflcn]

re: groque

Or actually, frankly that is largely the problem I was talking about.

HR3400 is advocating for lowering costs, not by lowering overhead/proifit. But by removing all mandates for the quality of care and coverage.

Now like I said, if you would care to go for the Swiss system, which is entirely private insurers. However has federal mandates on the minimum quality of care/coverage.

I'd be perfectly fine with that.

[FlowerClown]

take the bribes away from lobbyists and we will get a bill for the people.... remember the people.....

We the people

[DaftStyle]

she..... owns... +1 4 of those dumb asses couldnt say nothing

[ZingZee123456789]

YES!

Thank You someone finally has the gumption to point out that the Repubs HAVE NO FUCKIN ALTERNATIVE!

[dmp079]

If republicans spend more time putting together an effective bill that lowers health care cost, then there would be more time spent on getting this bill put to vote instead of them nullifying every bill proposal brought to the table. So far none from them. Tort reform just reduces costs by 0.5%. Not enough for reform

[xsleef]

What republicans All i see is over spending fools--we have no real republicans--well there is one but -its all a scam they are going to do as their international masters tell them to do!

[greyflcn]

Hah, "Tort reform".

A complete red herring for when Republicans have to say that they are actually For "something".

Lowering damages claims in lawsuits cases does absolutely nothing to lowering costs.

It's a total joke.

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[ChunAsperEndao]

"CNN. No one leaves more things there."

[sshuffield70]

Brazile is a friggin' idiot. Hey, Donna, it's called HR 3400! Go look it up now and get off the damn set.

[greyflcn]

re: sshuffield70

"HR 3400"

So basically, remove any consumer leverage, by turning them all into individual plans.

Instruct people to "eat good, and exercise"

And then make broad claims about the wonders of tort reform?

How is that a "real" plan?

[xsleef]

All a scam-you have to be loony to want to give away ur freedoms and rights..

[MrHelldogger]

I gotta plan. Keep the govt away from the medical industry or they'll fuck it up as bad as they fucked up the post office, Off Track Betting, the lottery, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public schools, etc.

[voyeurdug]

Mitch McConnell says they have alternatives... and Mitch McConnell said they had an alternative budget, too. THAT turned out to be a skinny pamphlet of talking points and pretty pictures.

[Richardgwm]

I see we have a single Republican with a dozen Youtube IDs posting in here and recommending his own posts.

[xsleef]

Lol America is dying both parties are corrupt and spineless.If you think dem is any better than rep you are a fool..

[Richardgwm]

The Republican party is dead.

[ObamaLittleBASTARD]

If this tyrannical government keeps ignoring the voice if the people, we will let our 250,000,000 weapons do all the talking.

Brazile is a traitor.

[TheBeepBeepBeep]

Bring it on bitch. Come take over the government now fucker...me + secret service will be waiting you conservative fuck.

[USA4July1776]

Obama at the helm of the leftist fascists is shutting down capitalism, free speech, freedom of the press, free enterprise, individual liberty, the right to bear arms, indoctrinating our kids, the entire main stream media is in the bag for this Marxist dictator and gave him an overwhelming advantage during the election due to their relentless biased coverage while they have the gull to complain that FNC and a few others dare not fall flat on their stomachs!?

USA is under attack from the left!!!

[USA4July1776]

Take that patronizing, know-it-all, derisive tone and shove it up your ass, with all your faux detached teenage agnst!

You're obviously targeting anyone who screams out the obvious, you're the one with the rhetorical gimmicks and recycled techniques to attempt to intimidate, ridicule or otherwise silence anyone saying the truth too effectively!

You're cynically trying to neutralize anyone who sounds the alarm to the catastrophe happening to the USA!!!

Yes, I WILL continue, and expose YOU!!!

[balanceseeker]

Derisive? You invoke "indoctinating out kids" and "Marxist dictator" and you're calling me derisive??

Please, if that is your platform, continue to "expose" me. I'm only saying that such comments are silly, irresponsible, and without any reasoned weight.

If you got a point, say it. What you got so-far is rhetoric in the guise of a point. I'm not trying to shut down anyone. I'm trying to raise the level of discourse.

If anyone's demonstrating "teenage agnst," it would be you.