Above all we must be eyes for the blind, feet for the lame, ears for those who cant hear, pathfinders for those who are lost, we are called to the task at hand not the rapture! we cant leave those souls behind and abandon the sheep. The rapture isnt important right now the job is so pick up your cross and go for it, there is no better way to go down then holding back the wind for those who cant. NO GREATER LOVE HAS A MAN THEN HE LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIEND.
There are 7 trumpets, the rapture is at the last one and not on a jewish feast day so to speak, we havent even seen the first trumpet sound yet and likely wont for some time to come.
sorry Perry but your a little screwed up in understanding their dude but you can go back to God school and try again. You can call me and I will enlighten you a little ok because I think your ok for now!
@ravenwolf789 This tribulation, pretribualtion, rapture= What a pile of crap, fantasy, misinterpretation, mistranslation, speculation and plain jibberish. I thought ,people in the 21th century were more intelligent then 3,000 years ago.
So! whats your hope? dead end grave! praise God for at least the hope numnuts so bit and bridle your athesistic face and tongue while its still in tact, if you dont believe thats fine you just become extinct at your leaving this paradise.
@ravenwolf789 I am sorry, if you can`t face the reality. You are just covering up the reality with a lot of bullsh... in the hope it will go away. Pray hard . LOL.
@TheNeeCeeg Yeah, he had a series of prophecies during that time that didn't come to pass. In fact, none of them did. Years ago I used to watch this guy. After those prophecies weren't fufilled, I dropped him and many others like a hot potatoe. This Rosh Hashana rapture deal is no different. He's luck cuz back in the day, falsde prophets were stoned Deut18:20
Very interesting but the day of God's wrath could occur after the tribulation, right? We will escape God's wrath but not neccesserily the tribulation. If you are pri-trib it's your call but stay open-minded cos God may ask you to suffer persecution or even death before His coming. Otherwise, you may end up feeling betrayed by Him, abondoned or you may even reject Him in the dark hour simply because you've been expecting Rupture. Let's pray a lot these days asking for the revelation.GodBless
@FAITHandLOGIC ....Yes, You are correct ! But this moron Perry Stone does'nt get it when it comes to the doctrine of the first resurrection, But. he does Get it, when it comes to MAKING MONEY !!! As his propagating this " Darby / Irving Lie" (from 1826 onward) brings in a LOT OF CASH into His coffers. Because of the "Escape-ism mentality" that the "powers that be", that control modern theology, have managed to establish in "evengelical Christianity".
....biblical doctrine on the first resurrection) Perry Stone, is very 'street smart', when it comes to "milking the Christian Cow". His judgment is sure to come. I have challenged this "false teacher" to a public debate, but He ignores me !, Why? because He cannot defend His position against someone like me, who will humiliate him for his scriptural ignorance. He is an arrogant , condescending, "nitwit". Why no one questions the falsehood he preaches, is a rebuke to those who hear him.
@sorens70601 I appreciate your knowledge. All modern "Christianity" is industry. Seeker-Sensitive = Industry; Dispensationalism = Industry; TBN = Industry, Christmas/Easter = Industry, Christian living books = Industry ...
@FAITHandLOGIC ...You are soooo correct. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, in ministry since 1963.
My book,"None Dare Call It Deception", (copyright 1984) but only recently self published, unveils the never before discussed "seven orders" to the first resurrection, that totally 'obliterates" any single rapture theory, whether the False "pre-trib" or the "Post/Mid trib", or the latest "Van Kampen" falsehood, "Pre-wrath". My Name is Morgan Sorensen, just google my name, and you can...
...read some "excerpts" from my book on the website. I recommend that you read "the Addendum 2007" first, as it turns the seven Seals/Trumpets/Vials, "Right-side-up" from the "Up-side-down" position that modern theology has "promoted" (demoted) it to. The great problem here, is that the false "pre-trib" theory, keeps people "un-prepared" for the coming "New World Order" Tribulation, that the Bible warns us about.
...read some "excerpts" from my book on the website. I recommend that you read "the Addendum 2007" first, as it turns the seven Seals/Trumpets/Vials, "Right-side-up" from the "Up-side-down" position that modern theology has "promoted" (demoted) it to. The great problem here, is that the false "pre-trib" theory, keeps people "un-prepared" for the coming "New World Order" Tribulation, that the Bible warns us about.
@sorens70601 The only false thing here is you. Nobody wants to read your stupid book. If you want to market it, create your own page. We believe what we believe and stand by it. Alot of goof balls say Christian are judgmental...they should all look in the mirror and listen to themselves. Speaking out of both sides of your mouths. You can judge Christians with such poison, but when it comes to what we believe and think the secular world calls it judgment and condemnation. What a joke!
@MamasitaDeVegas Au contraire ! You are totally mistaken ! It is people like you, who are both, stupid and gullible enough to believe this 'speculative nonsense" of the "pre-trib" Rapture, that keep these false Guru,s in busuness, and their pocket's lined,a s they sell their Tapes and Cd's, while deceiving tens of thousands of "inocent" decent people, who do not understand the "end times". If you had "half a brain", you'd be asking me for scriptural "evidence and proof", instead of ...
...calling my book, (which you have not read) "stupid". You have demonstrated that you are the Moron here. I have challenged Perry Stone on this you tube site, as well as to his personal e-mail address, to a Public debate, on this issue of eschatology and the "rapture". I garuantee you, He will not accept ! He knows I will expose him as an ignoramus on the issue of "The first resurrection" , and as the false teacher, that he is.
You, on the other hand, should shut up, as you have nothhing.
...calling my book, (which you have not read) "stupid". You have demonstrated that you are the Moron here. I have challenged Perry Stone on this you tube site, as well as to his personal e-mail address, to a Public debate, on this issue of eschatology and the "rapture". I garuantee you, He will not accept ! He knows I will expose him as an ignoramus on the issue of "The first resurrection" , and as the false teacher, that he is.
You, on the other hand, should shut up, as you have nothhing.
@sorens70601 YOU ARE A JOKE. You have proven age 65 doesn't make you any wiser. I have the mind of Christ , that's more than half a brain. I was referring to the teaching. Not tapes, cds or any other marketable items, LIKE YOUR BOOK THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BUY. Your issue is personal against the man, and your opinion has nothing to do with teaching. I am against false prophets, including you. If you are so concerned about people, GIVE YOUR BOOK AWAY FOR FREE. AMen? JERK.
@sorens70601 Is that all you could come up with? It is such poor taste to attempt to market yourself on someone else's success. I'm surprised you can still see the moon. I forgive you for all your insults.
@sorens70601 YOU ARE A JOKE. You have proven age 65 doesn't make you any wiser. I have the mind of Christ , that's more than half a brain. I was referring to the teaching. Not tapes, cds or any other marketable items, LIKE YOUR BOOK THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BUY. Your issue is personal against the man, and your opinion has nothing to do with teaching. I am against false prophets, including you. If you are so concerned about people, GIVE YOUR BOOK AWAY FOR FREE. AMen? JERK.
@sorens70601 Big deal. You published a book. Ignorance is alive and well. People that believe in the Rapture have a right to do so. I hope I am able to see your face as we go up.
@FromMyBlock2YoBlock It wouldn't do you any good. Didn't you get the word? The NWO is doing away with money! But you can get your RFID chip before anyone else just to make sure there's enough on deposit in your "ACCOUNT" to build that shelter. God bless.
"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
Ok so can the Rapture happen WITHOUT the 4 lunar eclipses that seemed to mark all the other significant days for Israel? And are you certain Jesus can't come just any day of the year? I figured the Rapture only related to Rosh Hashanah in that no one knows when it will happen.
If you see it as that i did not mean it to be contradicting. When one has a strong belief in God then the "praying always" is a part of that faith and in order to have that faith you must have that strong belief. The improved life is another part of that faith because once truly saved,you no longer have the desire to sin anymore. No you wont go to hell as long as you try your very best to please him because no one is perfect.It's when you quit trying that you risk hell.
Great teacher! I believe this man is divinely inspired. The way Perry shines light onto the scriptures, pulls them into focus, clarifying, making it easy to see, and understand -- why, I wouldn't be surprised if his middle name was ROSETTA! : )
Think of how many who will come to salvation from his teaching... Shalom, y'all! We shall all be gathered together soon! Praise God! Maranatha!
@SnapDLizard ...He is Not a Great teacher, He is a deceiver and Liar !!! He twists the truth of the scriptures, to conform to the Irving/Darby "pre-trib" rapture fraud. If Perry had any biblical sense, he would realize that the passage of 1.Cor.15:50-53 that these "guru's" so often refer to, also includes verse 54, in both text and context, and it has a "built -in" time-line that refers to the "end of the tribulation", when "Death" will be "abolished", hence the words, "So when this ,,,,
....corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality......" etc., (quoting from Isa.25:8, which is a chapter on the millenium ) Perry Stone, therefore is an ignoramus on eschatology, and will only have a following of the same dumb mindset and false opinions that he himself holds to. He is an arrogant Liar, full of himself, while he falsely boasts the baptism of the Spirit, which he knows nothing of. I am a missionary, in ministry since 1963, I have ....
....challenged Perry Stone to a debate on eschatology, both here on these "sick videos", and directly to his personal email, but to no avail, (I believe he is hiding) My Name is Morgan Sorensen, you can find me on 'google', just enter my name. My book that exposes this false teaching, is entitled ; "None Dare Call It Deception",(copyright 1984) Se if you can get this challenge to Perry Stone, and have him contact me for a debate on his false teaching of the pre-trib rapture theory.
@sorens70601 Proof you are a troll -- right here. You are looking to promote your ancient book, and want to slander Perry Stone in order to bring you any atttention you can get by glamming off his site... because nobody would ever notice you otherwise. You are evil, weak, and insignificant. And I'll just bet the name Morgon Sorensen is not written in any of the Lord's books. I look forward to trampling in your ashes. Loser.
@SnapDLizard ....Clearly ..you are the Loser Jackass, and troll is from Norwegian Mythology, and the wizard of Oz, is from the same Satanic source, hence my comment, as it is clear what you dabble in. Who cares what falsehood you hold to, and what your little 'peabrain' thinks about the arrogant false teacher Perry Stone. You come back with stupid insults, (proving what a Moron you are) rather than responding to my scriptural evidence of Perry Stone's error. Crawl back under your rock, Moron !!
@sorens70601 So, you come to a Perry Stone site to argue with those who came in peace and to learn. You slander Perry Stone in order to try to get anyone to pay attention to some unheard of book you wrote 26 years ago, and to argue with and insult anyone who follows Perry's teachings? Good strategy. And you call me a peabrain and a moron? **eyes rolling** I stand by all I have said here, and obviously what you say (or write) doesn't matter.
@SnapDLizard ...What I have said about Perry Stone is accurate and factual, and as for my book, it was written inthe winter of '83/'84, but only recently published. And Yes, I am exposing the falsehood that Perry Stone is propagating, and if you had half a brain, you would listen pay attention and ask questions in a respectfull manner, instead, you came out swinging insults. Be informed, that your un-learned mind will always lose against a 'learned mind', even in the contest of insults ....
....So now, Shut up and put up, or change your stinking demeanor if you have anything of value to contribute to this discussion. I also Stand by what I have said, as you started this stupid nonsense of insults. My original post was not any insult, but factual informatoin both about Perry and his false message, as well as my scriptural citing and discussion. If you want to debate the issue, then cut the insults, and stay with the issue, and I will stop calling you a Moron.
@sorens70601 Well, aren't you the contrarian troll? Why don't you go troll a 'post-tribber' site where someone might agree with you? I have to borrow a line from "The Wizard of Oz" -- where the good witch says to the bad witch, "Go away, your powers are no good here!"
@SnapDLizard ....I guess you are the Troll, since you are so familiar with the "Wizard of Oz". And a post tribber
I am not, as the Bible discusses seven different "orders" to the first resurrection, but then based on your response, I best not "cast my pearls before the swine".
@sorens70601 Look, jackass -- I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Just like Perry Stone. I gave him a compliment, and then you chimed in that he is a deceiver and liar. Are you confused? Do you know what a troll is? Do you know there weren't any trolls in the Wizard of Oz? Clearly, you have no pearls, and YOU are most definitely the swine. Go away now.
@moomman89 I've seen that too-- along with --"possible dark days" as Elenin goes past. (el=Lord,elohim or YAh!, and Enin=Hammer..hmmm???) The triad come...just as predicted...Watch another 6part video."Heaven awaits 2011" by a young Christian woman....She is amazing! worth watching all 6 parts!She explains beautifully!
There are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av, Aug. 7, 2022. First rapture is Sept. 14, 2015 according to readiness (Rev. 3.10) "before the throne" (7.9) before the trumpets of the Tribulation commence (8.7ff).
Rev. 6.12 occurs right before the Trib. starts. 3 events in specific order: Haiti 2010 or Japan 2010 Earthquake, H3 Hybrid Solar Eclipse Nov. 3, 2013 (4th since Christ) and 2014/15 Lunar Tetrad. There's no 2,520 day period 2014-21 or 2016-23. Only 2015-22 fits
I am so glad that I believe in the pretribulation rapture! We, the church, are the Bride of Christ and He isn't going to leave His bride here on earth to be "beat up" during the tribulation! It is our blessed hope! "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2:13 " Luke 21:36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
@Mrskellysgirl...You will not find a single passage of scripture that supports a "pre-trib" Rapture. Paul the apostle outlines the first resurrection in 1.Cor.15:22-23, in which he declares; " As in Adam all die, so in
Christ, shall all, (that are saved) be made alive. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER." (first) " Christ",
( then) "the Firstfruits", (there are three 'orders' of those, and the last of those three, are the 144,000, which are only resurrected at the 'mid-point' of .....
...the tribulation, "then" (after that) "they that are Christ's at his coming". This is what the scriptures declare !!
My book, "None Dare Call It Deception", outlines the never before discussed :seven orders" of the first resurrection. I challenge any theologian or "rapture guru" to debate me on this issue. The scriptures they proclaim as "proof", is bogus proof, when examined. For example; 1.Cor.15:51-53, they conveniently "leave out", verse 54, which is part of the context and text,...
...which 'continues' to 'expand on' the "change to immortality", and the "putting on of incorruption", (but includes a 'time-line' that they do NOT like) as it refers to "death being abolished" ,(as spoken by Isaiah the prophet , concerning the millenium". Isa.25:8) Likewise,1.Thess.4:15-17, where the KJV says, "We that are alive and REMAIN" , the Greek textus receptus reads; "We the LIVING , the ones SURVIVING". Ask yourself a question, what is it that "Christians" will probably need ...
...to "survive" in these "last days" ? The answer is in Mt. 24:15, where Jesus answered his Disciples on what was the "sign" of "his coming". Jesus said; "When you see teh 'abomination of desolation' stand in the Holy place, then flee to the Mountains". (this posits that Christ would NOT have returned YET at this time-line, when the abomination is put in the Holy place) Jesus went on to say; "Then shall there be tribulation as has never been, No nor shall be thereafter". Next, you need ...
....to get to "understand the scriptures". Acts 3:20-21, declares that Christ "must remain in Heaven", until the "restitution of all things". (this refers to the millenium) So Christ 'cannot' leave Heaven before the "end of the Tribulation", (never mind over seven years earlier, for the fake "pre-trib"rapture) You can 'believe' what you want, but if it is not based on scriptural fact, you will be in great jeopardy, and "unprepared", because you believe the "pre-trib" Liars and "gurus"
@Mrskellysgirl There is very twisted logic in this post... if one is "saved" and promised heaven, then why must you "pray always" in order to "escape". Are you saying that only those who are "saved" AND "pray always" miss the tribulation? I was told that once I believed/accepted the Messiah NOTHING could prevent me from spending eternity in heaven. So what's "pray always" about? Maybe the catholics got it right with that rosary all the time? Is belief in preT rapture required for salvation?
@elskid206 "To pray always" means always having your heart and mind on God.This is another way of saying all those who are faithful till the very end will be saved from whats to come. Regardless of what you have been told..Just because you speak the words does not mean you are saved. You just cant say the words and yet go on doing the same things as you always have and expect to see heaven.You have to live it.
The only thing required is believing in God,he will do the rest!
@zLOSTNOMOREz Yeah thanks. But do you see what you just did? You said, "You can't just say the words... You have to LIVE IT" That clearly means that there are THINGS that I must be doing (or not doing). THEN in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you CONTRADICT that by saying, "The ONLY thing required is BELIEVING in God". Which is it? belief only or belief PLUS some sort of "improved" life... a life with... what? less sin? So if I am a crack whore and can't shake the addiction, am I going to hell?
Like the Bereans of Acts 17:11, I test NT concepts against the OT. When Paul told the Bereans about the rapture of the church, and the leaving behind of the Jews, what OT Scripture did they find to confirm what Paul said was true? I am a BIG fan of Amos 3:7 "Surely God does NOTHING unless He [first] reveals His secret counsel to His servants the prophets." Scripture is inerrant and must not conflict. So where is both the church and its departure prophesied?
@Mrskellysgirl You are so right. That is a point I've tried to get across to so many Christians for so long. Thanks for putting it so beautifully. God Bless You!
If the "rapture" occurs before the Great Tribulation begins, then why did Jesus give us warnings to endure until the end? Scripture seems to show that we the church/assembly are going to go through some of it, at least. Israel was concealed - protected - in the land of Goshen, and they had light and protection while all the rest of Egypt suffered from the plagues. But they were still in Egypt.
Pre-trib? Mid-trib.... Try NO RAPTURE. God in the bible specifically states that He is AGAINST those who teach His children to "FLY" to save their souls. God is against the false teachers who teach the falsehood of the rapture. To read this for yourself, please read "rapture me not" at godslettertoyou com Don't be deceived by satan! God Bless.
I believe in pre-Wrath "rapture," meaning removal of Christ's bride before the seals of John's vision begin to be opened, but not necessarily day one of the Tribulation. Remember that Jesus said the bridegroom would come at midnight (Matt 24:6), which is exactly 25% of the way through the four night watches of Jewish tradition, which begin at 10pm and ends at 6am.
@jayorama1 , The "pre-wrath Rapture" by Van Kampen, and Marv Rosenthal, is a worse concoction than the false "pre-trib" theory, as it propagates that teh seven Vial judgments happen "after " the seven year tribulation in the extended 75 days, as mentioned in Daniel 12. Furthermore, the "seven seals" you refer to Begin to be opened at the very onset of the seven year tribulation, which then makes your " belief " Pre-trib. The seven seals are Not judgments at all, but seven timelines or ...
I have no interest in what men write. I've never heard of the authors you named or read their books. I was taught by the Holy Ghost. The events of John's vision are in proper chronology. No scripture says that the seven seals begin to open on the first day of Tribulation. Regarding the 5th seal, the destruction of the church will lead to the martyrdom of many people. While we are not appointed to wrath, every disobedient servant will be punished (Matthew 24:51, Luke 12:47-49)
@jayorama1 ... Actually the book of the Revelation is NOT in chronological order. As for the seals that I mentioned, it seems you did not understand the point I was making about the fifth seal, so I will not belabor the point. As for your being taught by the Holy Spirit, I do believe that such is possible, but I do also believe that God has "set in the church" (1.Cor.12) "Apostles" , (Missionaries) "prophets", and "teachers", for the purpose keeping the saints aware of important teachings.
@jayorama1 . If the Revelation was chronological, the even non-christians would be able to understand it. The fact is , it is the "mystery of God" and written in such a way , both symbolically and literally, that non-christians, as well as theologians, who are "educated " according to "the wisdom of the World", cannot understand it. Thats why for example, their teachings on the Seals, Trumpet and Vials, are totally flawed, and are not supported by scripture, except for taking text out...
...of context, for the speculative nonsense they propagate. Let me give you one example; They say, that the seven trumpets happen in the "first half" of the Tribulation, and that the seven Vials,(bowls) happen "after" the seven Trumpets. Well, Rev 10:5-7, is one of those "absolute" passages, which cannot be negotiated, and it declares that , "when the seventh angel BEGINS to SOUND, (the seventh trumpet) TIME NO MORE"
That means that the tribulation is OVER at this time. Not only is...
... the tribulation over, but there can be NO OTHER judgments, after this time-line. This posits, that the seven Trumpets happen in the last half of the seven year tribulation, and not in the first half, as falsely claimed by modern theology. Also it catagorically proves, that the seven Vials must either take place "BEFORE" the seven Trumpets, (or as the Bible correctly demonstrates) each Viaal happens individually just before the corresponding Trumpet. But fact is, the Trumpets are last.
My friend, the angel in Revelation 10:6,7 declares that "time should be no longer," not that time has ended. The "mystery of God" refers to the seven *thunders* John was told not to write down (Rev 10:4), not the order of events in the vision he was shown. We must accept that Jesus has revealed to his servants exactly how and when all this is to be, because I promise you, that it is how it WILL be.
@jayorama1 , I made it clear that the "time no more" as I put it,(although it is writtten "time no longer" as you correctly stated) deals with the fact that the seven year tribulation is over.(as in finished) And that is exactly what it means. The "Mystery of God" as referred to in verse seven that "should be finished, as God hath declared to his prophets, is NOT the seven thunders, as you assert. None of the prophets ever wrote anything about such. But what they did declare, was the ...
..coming judgment of God , the resurrection (in particular) and the coming millenium. Here in Rev.10:5-7, it deals with the last judgements to be poured out, (as in the seventh Vial, and the final and simultaneous seventh Trumpet ) and specifically it refers to the final ressurection orders of the "main harvest " of the earth, (Rev.14:14-16) and the almost simultaneous resurrection of the martyrs,(Rev.20:4) It is this "Mystery" of teh resurrection, as also aluded to in 1.Cor.15:51-53, that ..
..is the center of attention in this passage, and not the seven thunders, as you mistakenly believe. It is important that you have your facts anchored in the scriptures, otherwise it becomes nothing more than
academic speculation. The first resurrection, is such a "mystery" that the Bible declares that even the Angels would like to understand it. The fact that we as mortal beings, are going to be changed to immortality, is by
John was the prophet who wrote of this, but he was told to "seal up" this part of the revelation. The word "mystery" occurs in the Revelation only four times, and this is the only mystery not revealed in the same passage. When Paul wrote, "Behold, I show you a mystery..." he prophesied "harpazo," and thus it is no longer a mystery, for he revealed it. Likewise, the resurrection is no mystery, as by this our Savior has given to us His power over death. May Jesus bless you.
@jayorama1.... You seem to be only looking for an arguement, which is not of interest to me. But to set the record straight, It does concern the "mystery" that Paul was discussing, ( as Paul in 1.Cor .15:51 only declares it a "mystery", yet never revealed its detail.) And yes it concerns the 'Harpazo" (or taking away) and that is why
it completely harmonizes with 1.Thess.4:15-17, and its Greek wording of in both verse 15 and verse 17, saying; "We the living the ones Surviving" ...
... Proving it's built-in "time-line", of surviving the latter half of the tribulation, as this final resurrection order completes the "mystery". Hence the words in Rev.10:7 ; "But in the daysof the voice of the seventh Angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets". Again, the prophets were all prohesying about God's judgment, the coming for the saints, and the coming millenium. Sorry, your theory is invalid
...Furthermore, the passage of 1.Thess.4:15-17 that I referred to, with its wording "we the living the ones surviving" you can look up in the Greek 'Textus Receptus", Greek/English interlinear, (even online) and you will discover that the "Pre-Trib" crowd has wrongfully applied this text as their " proof text", when in fact it nullifies their whole position, as it by its wording proves a "tribulational" time-line, by the words; "the ones surviving". Jesus warned only about the coming...
..Tribulation, and it was the "abomination that maketh Desolate" that was to be a "SIGN", in his answer to the disciples about His coming , and notice this "sign" was to "precede" his coming, and give people the time to escape, by "fleeing to the mountains". Since the "abomination that maketh desolate", does not "appear" until the mid-point of the seven year tribulation, it must be clear that a "one-time" Rapture, ( very unscriptural) cannot happen before this warning by Jesus. Go figure !!
My friend, Jesus prophesied "paralambano" when he cited the story of Noah, therefore I believe in a pre-Wrath rapture consistent with the virgin parable of Matthew 25. In that depiction, there is no resurrection and no second coming, but rather a process of selection, just as occurred in the life of Noah and his family. In the events of Matthew 24:31, all remnant saints are "caught up" in the harpazo. May Jesus bless you.
@jayorama1 ..The "pre-wrath" theory, by Van Kampen and Marv Rosethal, has as many flaws in it as does the "Pre-trib theory". Besides, both these , as well as the "mid-trib" and "post trib" theories hold to a singular "Rapture", which is inconsistent with the scriptures, that carefully declare seven distinct and different "orders" to the first resurrection. This is what sets me, and my book "None Dare Call It Deception", apart from any other teaching on this subject of the "first ......
..resurrection", as I catalog the Bibllical doctrine on this issue all teh way from Leviticus and into the New Testament. As for you saying; " there is no resurrection", that must be regarded as a non-christian statement, as Paul tells us, " if there is no resurrrection from the dead, then we are of men most miserable". But the fact that Christ arose on the very foreordained "feast of the firstfruits", (He died and arose "acording to the scriptures", 1.Cor.15:3-4) we have the assurance ...
...that we also, likewise will be resurrected in immortal bodies. Besides, the scriptures declare that over 500 saints (of those that came out of the graves, "after his resurrection. Mt.27:52-53 ) showed themselves in Jerusalem. So fo you to say ; "there is no resurrection" is a contradiction of scriptural fact. So is the fact of the second coming. Next, to base your belief on the parable of the virgins, and the account of Noah, is hardly solid doctrinal evidence for belief.
The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at the second coming, when all the saints (living and non-living) are gathered to the Lord (Matthew 24:31 and I Thessalonians 4:15-17.) The "virgin parable" of Matthew 25 makes no mention of resurrection, therefore we know that "paralambano" must occur before the second coming. The corollary that Jesus made to Noah tells us that his bride will be received by Him before the fall of Judgment during the Tribulation.
@jayorama1 ... It seems that you have no understanding of the "docrine of the first resurrection", hence your repeating yourself on Noah and the parable of the virgins. The biblical "docrine" on the first resurrection begins in Leviticus, and continues though the N.T. , and declares that there are seven diferrent "orders" to the "first resurrection". Your perspective is like standing very close to a large painting, and looking at some small "spot" through a hole in a paperplate, and .....
...trying to convince me, (who is standing back and looking at the whole painting) what the painting is all about, while you are examining less than 2% of the whole painting. Hopefully this my analogy will get you to see how little you understand of this subject. Better yet , just enter "Sorensen ministries" on any large search engine, and get a copy of my book "None Dare Call It Deception", and you can read all about it, with ten times more scriptural documentation than the pre-tribbers.
Hey, Perry Stone, How can you present a "Pre-trib Rapture", when Jesus answered the disciples question in Mt.24:2, about what was going to be the "sign" of his coming, by saying,(verse 15) that the "sign" of his coming, would be when his followers saw "the abomination that maketh desolate" stand in th Holy place, to flee to the mountains and get ready for His return. Are you telling us that this event of the "abomination" happens BEFORE the tribulation, as it pre-cedes Christ's coming, Hmm..???
..picture windows, if you will, that predict certain important events. Considder this; If the first seal, is the beginning of the "wrath of God", then to be consistent you have to agree, that the opening of the subsequent six seals, must be the "continuation" of the " wrath of God". Now when you get to the fifth seal, you will have a big problem, as the opening of it, begins the "martyrdom" of possibly millions of "saints", in other words the wrath of God poured out on God's people, (?) ..
...and in total violation of God's word, as in 1.Thess.5:9, which declares that ; "We are NOT APPOINTED to WRATH". So you see, your understanding of this issue , as presented by these false teachers, does not square with the "absolutes" found in God's word. The scripture says; " Let God be true, and avery man a liar." The scriptures do not teach a singular "Rapture" at all. As there are seven different and distinct orders to the first resurrection. You can find me , Morgan Sorensen, on..
any large "search engine". My book "None Dare Call it Deception", (copyright 1984) is available on my website. Maybe some "movers and shakers" can arrange a public debate between me and any of these pre-trib guru's,
so these truths can come out into the open. As the "pre-trib establishment" seems to scared to let me in on their "prophecy conferences". How about it ? A good friendly open debate, examining the scriptures more diligently, seems a fair proposition, IF, Truth is of importance.
very eery, i was debating to myself a minute before watching this if there was going to be a rapture if so pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture, post trib rapture or a rapture at all. and the first thing that poped up on my search engine was this guy. And he made the most sense out of anyone ive ever heard before on the subject and the bible can back it up 100%. I'm convinced
Your both mistaken. It's the 13th year of the 19 year cycle. Making this year a leap year on the jewish calender. The date was wrong this year... Its actually october 8-9 ends at sunset october 9th. Its gonna happen today or tommorow.
I am not pre trib but middle rapture tribulation. I think Perry maybe made a mistake about the date but the time he is right. I honestly don't think the world will be the same in the next rosh hasanah. Three out of one will happen first, the rapture, III WW will start or global disaster (economic or natural disaster).
@TheDoglover777 Could it be that the 7 year tribulation will begin after the completion of the present peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The Whitehouse has made it clear that they expect the negotiations to be complete in one year. That would bring us to the next Rosh HaShanah in 2011.
This three part series is very exciting to listen to. I've probably been saying that the Rapture would happen for at least 30 years now. However, when we look at the signs: spiritual deception in the Church, an increase in natural disasters, world -wide finacial difficulties, talk of a one-world government, the joining of Iran, Russia and Turkey, as well as the whole world turning against Israel... Jesus is coming for His Bride SOON!
Why are you stupid enoughv to listen to this false prophet bastard! The 1st clue ought to be Daystar at the topright corner of the screen!!! Daystar is another name for Lucifer!!!!!!!!!!! Stop listening to false PROPHETS!!!! THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE!!!!
@SoldierofChrist12345 do you believe that there will be a "rapture"... even though the word rapture isn't even mentioned in the Bible? Satan is doing the best he can to deceive us... I pray that Jesus does come soon.
I find it so disheartening that so many Christians are still cling to this stupid fairy tale called Rapture. Folks there isn’t going to be one! The bible doesn’t even talk about one. The one about the two in the field and one is taken; go back to the ‘The Parable of the Weeds’. What is removed? It’s the weeds are removed from the field first so the harvest can be done. So face it; you will have to go through the 7 years unless you die. There is no escape. Louie wants it that way.
@shinethelight18 No, my friend its a myth that someone made up so they could sleep at night. You need to wake up and try reading the bible. Why? There is no mention of a rapture in there. Not ONE! 1 Corinthians 3:18, "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise." So wake up, read the bible, get wise and get ready because it is nigh. I have already sent someone a 4 page e-mail on the side on this.
@Gruurk2 Welll, since you say rapture is a lie..then your calling Jesus a liar. Cause Jesus spoke of a rapture in John 14. John14: 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going."
@shinethelight18 Am not call Yeshua a lair but you and the others are trying to make him look like a fool and a fraud. Give me one verse. Just one verse that says the Church will be removed from the earth during the time of the tribulation. Just one verse! BTW, I know you can't. You will have to twist scripture to even say that and I'll be all over you if you try. Why am I hard? Because I don't want the church to be unprepared. And yes, they will have to go through it. Everyone.
@Gruurk2 And Paul spoke about this too...1 Thess 4: 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever...if this is not a rapture..then what is it?
@shinethelight18 How many times does Christ return? Once; just once! He doesn't come to take the church out and leave to just to come back again. Zechariah 14:4; On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. On this day is the day the master returns to take his throne. Everyone will be put to the test. No escape.
@shinethelight18 LMAO. Ok, I will not force you to re-read your bible. This subject is a very sore issue with me. I just explained in a 4 page e-mail to someone else. Of course they haven't answered back. I countered the whole rapture myth in those 4 pages. I'll followed it to you on the side without the persons name.
@shinethelight18 Go read the Doctrinal history of this. Search wikipedia. It's ok even if it's not complete. All of this myth started by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. As I have pointed out. Noah went through the flood and we will go through ours
@Gruurk2 I just came from your youtube and you say you mix christian and american indian pow-wow and other cultic practise together? Thats like an african mixing voodoo with his christian experiance.It wont fly with God.Thats what Hitler did with catholism mixed it with old german cult.I hope your not praying to your ancestors, that spritualism. the hindus and catholic do that too.I guess its hard to give up ancestor cultic witchcraft ways .
@sidebarr7 No, I said "I am a Christian but I don't endorse modern interruptions of what a Christian is." Also that " I follow the old ways as best as I can laid down by the Master and I do trip along the way. " " I add Native American shaman influence into my Christian practices. And I attend the local Pow Wows when I can to show respect for my people and to my ancestors." If you are going to quote me then get it right.
@sidebarr7 Since you are living in a dream world which would be the only reason that you would challenge me on this. I would think you don’t have much of a leg to stand on hence your personal attack. So when you understand more about being a Christian then get back to me. I have nothing to fear or apology for. The only person that can judge me is God; not you. Did you know that judging someone is a sin? I bet you didn’t. Go back and lie to yourself some more.
@Gruurk2 A real christain can take correction and we are to give it according to Hew 3;13 ,,Admonish daily while its called today,Your misled Bro, Im not judgeing you,just what you beleive. WHY is it no beleiver can take correction???? Shaman POW WOW??? come on its in your bible what witchcraft is.
@sidebarr7 So much for you being a real Christian then. Wrong is wrong. You are blind, foolish and narrow minded. You have no clue what you are talking about and your knowledge of the bible is limited. I never claim greatness and I have my faults. My people believed in God long before you white men came here. We call him grandfather. Your words are foolish and insulting. For you are not a Christian and the meaning of being one seems to be beyond you.
@Gruurk2 We judge right and wrong all day long ,,if we are real. No real beleiver will agree with you on this native american witchcrft,or voodoo,or shamanism, I can send you material on this and a bible study on What to judge,your comment is childish at best and lukewarm.
@sidebarr7 You understand little and you by nature aren’t Christian but an abomination in the sight of the Lord. You think that you have to follow the thoughts of man or the thoughts of God. These churches that you are so proud of are the foundation of those that didn’t like what other fools did. This isn’t what the master wanted and you have little intelligence to understand what is what. You are like the Pharisees of old. Follow your false prophets if you so wish. We are now done fool.
@Gruurk2 a bit strong words to sidebarr, but I do have opened yes to see the calling of the saints to the Lord is not before the tribulation but after or shortly before the 7 years end. I think their main error is in believing the 7 years are the wrath of God which they are not.
@bluekron77 It could have been worse. Most pre-tribbers can't hold a prophecy discussion without resorting to attacks. When they attack who I am because of my race and act out of foolishness then yes, I lose my temper. It's like saying; oh you are black and do voodoo dances. Two wrongs don't make a right but I will not have someone talking trash either. That's the ex-gi in me. Lucky for them they have a box between. That's ok. Am not the judge but Yeshua is. I'll let it go to him.
@Gruurk2 you know, until you mentioned about not being able to have a dicussion with a pre-triber without resorting to personal attacks.. i would't have realized it, but the few people that I have started to including the last one I was called a high minded and that is is becasue I just can't understand all things, surely I can't know more than a pastor...
@bluekron77 In any passionate discussion both sides will support their positions with vigor as they should. The discussion can get very emotional but so long as it stays logical and factual then it will achieve conclusion somehow. Even if that is to agree to disagree. This one topic has me concerned because I don’t want the church to be ill-equipped for the upcoming battles. This childish position will be one of the nails in the churches coffin.
@bluekron77 On knowing more than a pastor then consider this. Look at "The King is But a Man" Speech from Henry V. This is from Shakespeare. From this bit of wisdom one can see that they should never be place high. They make mistakes as much as anyone else. Here is the truth. One should armor themselves with the scripture of God and not the ravings of a madman. The term pastor is merely a label. Who are you willing to follow? God or a man? Its to think about not a real question from me.
@bluekron77 You see if sidebar would have asked why then I would have answered. Most believe that there is going to be some beam out that’s going to save them from the trib. It’s not. My problem with it is that I think most of the church will think there will be something to get them out and when it doesn’t happen then they start falling away. That and there is no scripture back up to this believe leaves the church unready for what is coming. That’s my problem.
@bluekron77 You should have looked at the racial attacks that sidebar did. Here one; "Shaman POW WOW??? come on its in your bible what witchcraft is. " It does require reading skills and at times due to lack of understanding questioning. But direct attacks because he is white doesn't it make it so. A Pow Wow is like New Years, family get together and 4th of July. But he didn't ask what it was. He assumed! A normal white mistake. Erev Yom Terruah is on evening of the 8th. Happy holidays.
keyboard/pacifist..u asked about MY doctrine appointing the foolish ones to wrath I do not appoint anyone to anything there is a rapture for those who are watching & believe others not included not MY word His Diligent study will reveal these things The story of the virgins is about the rapture Thess = He does not come like a thief to His own. Rosh ha Shana is known as the day no man knows/more than one day. 7 feasts-4 fulfilled others will= study them HATE FOR US IS SIN YET WE ARE HATED WOW
@snooky1942 The wise virgins did not watch. How do you explain that into your pre-trib theory? Yes, I do agree that Rosh haShana is the timing of the pre-wrath/post-trib rapture. I found this on my own with much prayer and humillity..... having spent 25 years as a "pre-tribber." Now tell me, where exactly does it say that there will 2 separate raptures? It doesn't. You have to invent a ton of false doctrine in order to do that.
Yeshua said the no man would know the day or the Hour....BUT he did say we would know the Season. That is to say we would know that it was close. I believe it is VERY close and should happen in my lifetime. I will be 65 in June. The KEY is the Nation of Israel. Watch what goes on in the Middle East. An example is that there is a movement in Israel to rebuild the Temple. Yes there are problems to overcome but they WILL be solved. Maranatha!
Did I miss the part when the little dog laughed to see such sport before the cow jumps over the moon? I know it is edited, but I think the entire nursery rhyme should be read by Perry with all his wisdom, smarts, good looks and prophetic appeal.
Although I don't agree with date setting, but we still benefit from the discussion of the Blessed Hope that Jesus gives to us. We won't know the day until the Father tells the Son to get His Church. It could be on Rosh Hashanah, Thanksgiving, or Kwanzaa for that matter, but this is strictly up to the Father.
I wish every believer would do the same trust, but verify, we need to do our own research. The Holy Spirit raise red flags when the teaching contradicts the Holy Scriptures, but one needs to read it every day.
Can someone please tell me when the Hebrew New Year (Rosh Hashanah) was changed from the first month of the Hebrew year to the seventh month and merged with the feast of trumpets? It was not always that way. (compare Exodus 12:1-2 with Leviticus 23:23-24) Thank you.
It was not changed. These are different new years - Passover marks the beginning of the calendar new year, "this month shall be the beginning of months..." (Exodus 12:1-2). Rosh HaShana is in the 7th month and is the beginning of the SPIRITUAL new year.
According to this article the beginning of the CIVIL year, the year of the kings, is Rosh HaShana and it was changed from the first of Nisan to the first of Tishri during the exile in Babylon.
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Above all we must be eyes for the blind, feet for the lame, ears for those who cant hear, pathfinders for those who are lost, we are called to the task at hand not the rapture! we cant leave those souls behind and abandon the sheep. The rapture isnt important right now the job is so pick up your cross and go for it, there is no better way to go down then holding back the wind for those who cant. NO GREATER LOVE HAS A MAN THEN HE LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIEND.
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youneekk 4 months ago
There are 7 trumpets, the rapture is at the last one and not on a jewish feast day so to speak, we havent even seen the first trumpet sound yet and likely wont for some time to come.
sorry Perry but your a little screwed up in understanding their dude but you can go back to God school and try again. You can call me and I will enlighten you a little ok because I think your ok for now!
ravenwolf789 4 months ago
@ravenwolf789 This tribulation, pretribualtion, rapture= What a pile of crap, fantasy, misinterpretation, mistranslation, speculation and plain jibberish. I thought ,people in the 21th century were more intelligent then 3,000 years ago.
ndzoko 3 months ago
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So! whats your hope? dead end grave! praise God for at least the hope numnuts so bit and bridle your athesistic face and tongue while its still in tact, if you dont believe thats fine you just become extinct at your leaving this paradise.
ravenwolf789 3 months ago
@ravenwolf789 Enjoy your fantasy, man. This silly stuff ( rapture etc, what nonsense) is not even entertaining.
ndzoko 3 months ago
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@ravenwolf789 I am sorry, if you can`t face the reality. You are just covering up the reality with a lot of bullsh... in the hope it will go away. Pray hard . LOL.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@TheNeeCeeg Yeah, he had a series of prophecies during that time that didn't come to pass. In fact, none of them did. Years ago I used to watch this guy. After those prophecies weren't fufilled, I dropped him and many others like a hot potatoe. This Rosh Hashana rapture deal is no different. He's luck cuz back in the day, falsde prophets were stoned Deut18:20
IAMACHOSENDAUGHTER 4 months ago
Isnt this the same guy that "prophecied" Sarah Palin would become the 44th president of the United States??!!!
IAMACHOSENDAUGHTER 4 months ago
Ooooooohhh, this is exciting!
Zeikid 4 months ago
Very interesting but the day of God's wrath could occur after the tribulation, right? We will escape God's wrath but not neccesserily the tribulation. If you are pri-trib it's your call but stay open-minded cos God may ask you to suffer persecution or even death before His coming. Otherwise, you may end up feeling betrayed by Him, abondoned or you may even reject Him in the dark hour simply because you've been expecting Rupture. Let's pray a lot these days asking for the revelation.GodBless
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FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
The pre-trib rapture is a lie and false doctrine.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC ....Yes, You are correct ! But this moron Perry Stone does'nt get it when it comes to the doctrine of the first resurrection, But. he does Get it, when it comes to MAKING MONEY !!! As his propagating this " Darby / Irving Lie" (from 1826 onward) brings in a LOT OF CASH into His coffers. Because of the "Escape-ism mentality" that the "powers that be", that control modern theology, have managed to establish in "evengelical Christianity".
So the "dimwit",(concerning ...
sorens70601 5 months ago
....biblical doctrine on the first resurrection) Perry Stone, is very 'street smart', when it comes to "milking the Christian Cow". His judgment is sure to come. I have challenged this "false teacher" to a public debate, but He ignores me !, Why? because He cannot defend His position against someone like me, who will humiliate him for his scriptural ignorance. He is an arrogant , condescending, "nitwit". Why no one questions the falsehood he preaches, is a rebuke to those who hear him.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 I appreciate your knowledge. All modern "Christianity" is industry. Seeker-Sensitive = Industry; Dispensationalism = Industry; TBN = Industry, Christmas/Easter = Industry, Christian living books = Industry ...
God will separate the wheat from the tares.
FAITHandLOGIC 5 months ago
@FAITHandLOGIC ...You are soooo correct. I am a missionary/Bible prophecy teacher, in ministry since 1963.
My book,"None Dare Call It Deception", (copyright 1984) but only recently self published, unveils the never before discussed "seven orders" to the first resurrection, that totally 'obliterates" any single rapture theory, whether the False "pre-trib" or the "Post/Mid trib", or the latest "Van Kampen" falsehood, "Pre-wrath". My Name is Morgan Sorensen, just google my name, and you can...
sorens70601 5 months ago
...read some "excerpts" from my book on the website. I recommend that you read "the Addendum 2007" first, as it turns the seven Seals/Trumpets/Vials, "Right-side-up" from the "Up-side-down" position that modern theology has "promoted" (demoted) it to. The great problem here, is that the false "pre-trib" theory, keeps people "un-prepared" for the coming "New World Order" Tribulation, that the Bible warns us about.
sorens70601 5 months ago
...read some "excerpts" from my book on the website. I recommend that you read "the Addendum 2007" first, as it turns the seven Seals/Trumpets/Vials, "Right-side-up" from the "Up-side-down" position that modern theology has "promoted" (demoted) it to. The great problem here, is that the false "pre-trib" theory, keeps people "un-prepared" for the coming "New World Order" Tribulation, that the Bible warns us about.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 The only false thing here is you. Nobody wants to read your stupid book. If you want to market it, create your own page. We believe what we believe and stand by it. Alot of goof balls say Christian are judgmental...they should all look in the mirror and listen to themselves. Speaking out of both sides of your mouths. You can judge Christians with such poison, but when it comes to what we believe and think the secular world calls it judgment and condemnation. What a joke!
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas Au contraire ! You are totally mistaken ! It is people like you, who are both, stupid and gullible enough to believe this 'speculative nonsense" of the "pre-trib" Rapture, that keep these false Guru,s in busuness, and their pocket's lined,a s they sell their Tapes and Cd's, while deceiving tens of thousands of "inocent" decent people, who do not understand the "end times". If you had "half a brain", you'd be asking me for scriptural "evidence and proof", instead of ...
sorens70601 5 months ago
...calling my book, (which you have not read) "stupid". You have demonstrated that you are the Moron here. I have challenged Perry Stone on this you tube site, as well as to his personal e-mail address, to a Public debate, on this issue of eschatology and the "rapture". I garuantee you, He will not accept ! He knows I will expose him as an ignoramus on the issue of "The first resurrection" , and as the false teacher, that he is.
You, on the other hand, should shut up, as you have nothhing.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 why a debate? Are book sales that bad you need the publicity?
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
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@sorens70601 why a debate? Are book sales that bad you need the publicity?
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
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...calling my book, (which you have not read) "stupid". You have demonstrated that you are the Moron here. I have challenged Perry Stone on this you tube site, as well as to his personal e-mail address, to a Public debate, on this issue of eschatology and the "rapture". I garuantee you, He will not accept ! He knows I will expose him as an ignoramus on the issue of "The first resurrection" , and as the false teacher, that he is.
You, on the other hand, should shut up, as you have nothhing.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 YOU ARE A JOKE. You have proven age 65 doesn't make you any wiser. I have the mind of Christ , that's more than half a brain. I was referring to the teaching. Not tapes, cds or any other marketable items, LIKE YOUR BOOK THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BUY. Your issue is personal against the man, and your opinion has nothing to do with teaching. I am against false prophets, including you. If you are so concerned about people, GIVE YOUR BOOK AWAY FOR FREE. AMen? JERK.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
@MamasitaDeVegas .....You say you "have the mind of Christ.."..... Yeah right, and the moon is made of blue cheese...Idiot !!!!
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Is that all you could come up with? It is such poor taste to attempt to market yourself on someone else's success. I'm surprised you can still see the moon. I forgive you for all your insults.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
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@sorens70601 YOU ARE A JOKE. You have proven age 65 doesn't make you any wiser. I have the mind of Christ , that's more than half a brain. I was referring to the teaching. Not tapes, cds or any other marketable items, LIKE YOUR BOOK THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO BUY. Your issue is personal against the man, and your opinion has nothing to do with teaching. I am against false prophets, including you. If you are so concerned about people, GIVE YOUR BOOK AWAY FOR FREE. AMen? JERK.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Stupid and guillible? Physician heal thyself.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Big deal. You published a book. Ignorance is alive and well. People that believe in the Rapture have a right to do so. I hope I am able to see your face as we go up.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
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ashqelonsunset 5 months ago
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rebekah613 5 months ago
would you rapture peeps be so nice to give me all your money since you won't be here so I can build a survival shelter. Thanks God Bless.
FromMyBlock2YoBlock 6 months ago
@FromMyBlock2YoBlock It wouldn't do you any good. Didn't you get the word? The NWO is doing away with money! But you can get your RFID chip before anyone else just to make sure there's enough on deposit in your "ACCOUNT" to build that shelter. God bless.
MamasitaDeVegas 5 months ago
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Luke 21:36
"Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man."
Kr0n1k4Lyfe 6 months ago
Ok so can the Rapture happen WITHOUT the 4 lunar eclipses that seemed to mark all the other significant days for Israel? And are you certain Jesus can't come just any day of the year? I figured the Rapture only related to Rosh Hashanah in that no one knows when it will happen.
Lavenderrose73 6 months ago
If you see it as that i did not mean it to be contradicting. When one has a strong belief in God then the "praying always" is a part of that faith and in order to have that faith you must have that strong belief. The improved life is another part of that faith because once truly saved,you no longer have the desire to sin anymore. No you wont go to hell as long as you try your very best to please him because no one is perfect.It's when you quit trying that you risk hell.
zLOSTNOMOREz 6 months ago
Great teacher! I believe this man is divinely inspired. The way Perry shines light onto the scriptures, pulls them into focus, clarifying, making it easy to see, and understand -- why, I wouldn't be surprised if his middle name was ROSETTA! : )
Think of how many who will come to salvation from his teaching... Shalom, y'all! We shall all be gathered together soon! Praise God! Maranatha!
SnapDLizard 6 months ago
@SnapDLizard ...He is Not a Great teacher, He is a deceiver and Liar !!! He twists the truth of the scriptures, to conform to the Irving/Darby "pre-trib" rapture fraud. If Perry had any biblical sense, he would realize that the passage of 1.Cor.15:50-53 that these "guru's" so often refer to, also includes verse 54, in both text and context, and it has a "built -in" time-line that refers to the "end of the tribulation", when "Death" will be "abolished", hence the words, "So when this ,,,,
sorens70601 5 months ago
....corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality......" etc., (quoting from Isa.25:8, which is a chapter on the millenium ) Perry Stone, therefore is an ignoramus on eschatology, and will only have a following of the same dumb mindset and false opinions that he himself holds to. He is an arrogant Liar, full of himself, while he falsely boasts the baptism of the Spirit, which he knows nothing of. I am a missionary, in ministry since 1963, I have ....
sorens70601 5 months ago
....challenged Perry Stone to a debate on eschatology, both here on these "sick videos", and directly to his personal email, but to no avail, (I believe he is hiding) My Name is Morgan Sorensen, you can find me on 'google', just enter my name. My book that exposes this false teaching, is entitled ; "None Dare Call It Deception",(copyright 1984) Se if you can get this challenge to Perry Stone, and have him contact me for a debate on his false teaching of the pre-trib rapture theory.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Proof you are a troll -- right here. You are looking to promote your ancient book, and want to slander Perry Stone in order to bring you any atttention you can get by glamming off his site... because nobody would ever notice you otherwise. You are evil, weak, and insignificant. And I'll just bet the name Morgon Sorensen is not written in any of the Lord's books. I look forward to trampling in your ashes. Loser.
SnapDLizard 5 months ago
@SnapDLizard ....Clearly ..you are the Loser Jackass, and troll is from Norwegian Mythology, and the wizard of Oz, is from the same Satanic source, hence my comment, as it is clear what you dabble in. Who cares what falsehood you hold to, and what your little 'peabrain' thinks about the arrogant false teacher Perry Stone. You come back with stupid insults, (proving what a Moron you are) rather than responding to my scriptural evidence of Perry Stone's error. Crawl back under your rock, Moron !!
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 So, you come to a Perry Stone site to argue with those who came in peace and to learn. You slander Perry Stone in order to try to get anyone to pay attention to some unheard of book you wrote 26 years ago, and to argue with and insult anyone who follows Perry's teachings? Good strategy. And you call me a peabrain and a moron? **eyes rolling** I stand by all I have said here, and obviously what you say (or write) doesn't matter.
SnapDLizard 5 months ago
@SnapDLizard ...What I have said about Perry Stone is accurate and factual, and as for my book, it was written inthe winter of '83/'84, but only recently published. And Yes, I am exposing the falsehood that Perry Stone is propagating, and if you had half a brain, you would listen pay attention and ask questions in a respectfull manner, instead, you came out swinging insults. Be informed, that your un-learned mind will always lose against a 'learned mind', even in the contest of insults ....
sorens70601 5 months ago
....So now, Shut up and put up, or change your stinking demeanor if you have anything of value to contribute to this discussion. I also Stand by what I have said, as you started this stupid nonsense of insults. My original post was not any insult, but factual informatoin both about Perry and his false message, as well as my scriptural citing and discussion. If you want to debate the issue, then cut the insults, and stay with the issue, and I will stop calling you a Moron.
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 ...**GAG** such delusion, such delusion... (and for the record, YOU came on the offense -- you can't even see that!)
SnapDLizard 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Well, aren't you the contrarian troll? Why don't you go troll a 'post-tribber' site where someone might agree with you? I have to borrow a line from "The Wizard of Oz" -- where the good witch says to the bad witch, "Go away, your powers are no good here!"
SnapDLizard 5 months ago
@SnapDLizard ....I guess you are the Troll, since you are so familiar with the "Wizard of Oz". And a post tribber
I am not, as the Bible discusses seven different "orders" to the first resurrection, but then based on your response, I best not "cast my pearls before the swine".
sorens70601 5 months ago
@sorens70601 Look, jackass -- I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture. Just like Perry Stone. I gave him a compliment, and then you chimed in that he is a deceiver and liar. Are you confused? Do you know what a troll is? Do you know there weren't any trolls in the Wizard of Oz? Clearly, you have no pearls, and YOU are most definitely the swine. Go away now.
SnapDLizard 5 months ago
Moon is at Virgo's feet in the day.Comet Elenin in Virgo's head.Sept.29,2011 looks like the Rapture.Come Lord Jesus Come!
moomman89 7 months ago
@moomman89 I've seen that too-- along with --"possible dark days" as Elenin goes past. (el=Lord,elohim or YAh!, and Enin=Hammer..hmmm???) The triad come...just as predicted...Watch another 6part video."Heaven awaits 2011" by a young Christian woman....She is amazing! worth watching all 6 parts!She explains beautifully!
lookingup82 6 months ago
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SnapDLizard 7 months ago
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There are 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av, Aug. 7, 2022. First rapture is Sept. 14, 2015 according to readiness (Rev. 3.10) "before the throne" (7.9) before the trumpets of the Tribulation commence (8.7ff).
Rev. 6.12 occurs right before the Trib. starts. 3 events in specific order: Haiti 2010 or Japan 2010 Earthquake, H3 Hybrid Solar Eclipse Nov. 3, 2013 (4th since Christ) and 2014/15 Lunar Tetrad. There's no 2,520 day period 2014-21 or 2016-23. Only 2015-22 fits
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I am so glad that I believe in the pretribulation rapture! We, the church, are the Bride of Christ and He isn't going to leave His bride here on earth to be "beat up" during the tribulation! It is our blessed hope! "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ Titus 2:13 " Luke 21:36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man
Mrskellysgirl 8 months ago 10
@Mrskellysgirl...You will not find a single passage of scripture that supports a "pre-trib" Rapture. Paul the apostle outlines the first resurrection in 1.Cor.15:22-23, in which he declares; " As in Adam all die, so in
Christ, shall all, (that are saved) be made alive. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER." (first) " Christ",
( then) "the Firstfruits", (there are three 'orders' of those, and the last of those three, are the 144,000, which are only resurrected at the 'mid-point' of .....
sorens70601 8 months ago
...the tribulation, "then" (after that) "they that are Christ's at his coming". This is what the scriptures declare !!
My book, "None Dare Call It Deception", outlines the never before discussed :seven orders" of the first resurrection. I challenge any theologian or "rapture guru" to debate me on this issue. The scriptures they proclaim as "proof", is bogus proof, when examined. For example; 1.Cor.15:51-53, they conveniently "leave out", verse 54, which is part of the context and text,...
sorens70601 8 months ago
...which 'continues' to 'expand on' the "change to immortality", and the "putting on of incorruption", (but includes a 'time-line' that they do NOT like) as it refers to "death being abolished" ,(as spoken by Isaiah the prophet , concerning the millenium". Isa.25:8) Likewise,1.Thess.4:15-17, where the KJV says, "We that are alive and REMAIN" , the Greek textus receptus reads; "We the LIVING , the ones SURVIVING". Ask yourself a question, what is it that "Christians" will probably need ...
sorens70601 8 months ago
...to "survive" in these "last days" ? The answer is in Mt. 24:15, where Jesus answered his Disciples on what was the "sign" of "his coming". Jesus said; "When you see teh 'abomination of desolation' stand in the Holy place, then flee to the Mountains". (this posits that Christ would NOT have returned YET at this time-line, when the abomination is put in the Holy place) Jesus went on to say; "Then shall there be tribulation as has never been, No nor shall be thereafter". Next, you need ...
sorens70601 8 months ago
....to get to "understand the scriptures". Acts 3:20-21, declares that Christ "must remain in Heaven", until the "restitution of all things". (this refers to the millenium) So Christ 'cannot' leave Heaven before the "end of the Tribulation", (never mind over seven years earlier, for the fake "pre-trib"rapture) You can 'believe' what you want, but if it is not based on scriptural fact, you will be in great jeopardy, and "unprepared", because you believe the "pre-trib" Liars and "gurus"
sorens70601 8 months ago
@Mrskellysgirl There is very twisted logic in this post... if one is "saved" and promised heaven, then why must you "pray always" in order to "escape". Are you saying that only those who are "saved" AND "pray always" miss the tribulation? I was told that once I believed/accepted the Messiah NOTHING could prevent me from spending eternity in heaven. So what's "pray always" about? Maybe the catholics got it right with that rosary all the time? Is belief in preT rapture required for salvation?
elskid206 7 months ago
@elskid206 "To pray always" means always having your heart and mind on God.This is another way of saying all those who are faithful till the very end will be saved from whats to come. Regardless of what you have been told..Just because you speak the words does not mean you are saved. You just cant say the words and yet go on doing the same things as you always have and expect to see heaven.You have to live it.
The only thing required is believing in God,he will do the rest!
zLOSTNOMOREz 6 months ago
@zLOSTNOMOREz Yeah thanks. But do you see what you just did? You said, "You can't just say the words... You have to LIVE IT" That clearly means that there are THINGS that I must be doing (or not doing). THEN in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you CONTRADICT that by saying, "The ONLY thing required is BELIEVING in God". Which is it? belief only or belief PLUS some sort of "improved" life... a life with... what? less sin? So if I am a crack whore and can't shake the addiction, am I going to hell?
elskid206 6 months ago
Like the Bereans of Acts 17:11, I test NT concepts against the OT. When Paul told the Bereans about the rapture of the church, and the leaving behind of the Jews, what OT Scripture did they find to confirm what Paul said was true? I am a BIG fan of Amos 3:7 "Surely God does NOTHING unless He [first] reveals His secret counsel to His servants the prophets." Scripture is inerrant and must not conflict. So where is both the church and its departure prophesied?
elskid206 7 months ago
@Mrskellysgirl You are so right. That is a point I've tried to get across to so many Christians for so long. Thanks for putting it so beautifully. God Bless You!
ratgirl4god 5 months ago
@Mrskellysgirl The Two Witnesses have been found yahweh dot com
rebekah613 5 months ago
If the "rapture" occurs before the Great Tribulation begins, then why did Jesus give us warnings to endure until the end? Scripture seems to show that we the church/assembly are going to go through some of it, at least. Israel was concealed - protected - in the land of Goshen, and they had light and protection while all the rest of Egypt suffered from the plagues. But they were still in Egypt.
xelamom8 8 months ago
glad too see more and more truth walkers than pre-tribulation believers...
bluekron77 1 year ago
Pre-trib? Mid-trib.... Try NO RAPTURE. God in the bible specifically states that He is AGAINST those who teach His children to "FLY" to save their souls. God is against the false teachers who teach the falsehood of the rapture. To read this for yourself, please read "rapture me not" at godslettertoyou com Don't be deceived by satan! God Bless.
scillowillow 1 year ago
I believe in pre-Wrath "rapture," meaning removal of Christ's bride before the seals of John's vision begin to be opened, but not necessarily day one of the Tribulation. Remember that Jesus said the bridegroom would come at midnight (Matt 24:6), which is exactly 25% of the way through the four night watches of Jewish tradition, which begin at 10pm and ends at 6am.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 , The "pre-wrath Rapture" by Van Kampen, and Marv Rosenthal, is a worse concoction than the false "pre-trib" theory, as it propagates that teh seven Vial judgments happen "after " the seven year tribulation in the extended 75 days, as mentioned in Daniel 12. Furthermore, the "seven seals" you refer to Begin to be opened at the very onset of the seven year tribulation, which then makes your " belief " Pre-trib. The seven seals are Not judgments at all, but seven timelines or ...
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
I have no interest in what men write. I've never heard of the authors you named or read their books. I was taught by the Holy Ghost. The events of John's vision are in proper chronology. No scripture says that the seven seals begin to open on the first day of Tribulation. Regarding the 5th seal, the destruction of the church will lead to the martyrdom of many people. While we are not appointed to wrath, every disobedient servant will be punished (Matthew 24:51, Luke 12:47-49)
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 ... Actually the book of the Revelation is NOT in chronological order. As for the seals that I mentioned, it seems you did not understand the point I was making about the fifth seal, so I will not belabor the point. As for your being taught by the Holy Spirit, I do believe that such is possible, but I do also believe that God has "set in the church" (1.Cor.12) "Apostles" , (Missionaries) "prophets", and "teachers", for the purpose keeping the saints aware of important teachings.
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
God is not the author of confusion. If the Revelation were not in proper chronology, what purpose would it serve?
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 . If the Revelation was chronological, the even non-christians would be able to understand it. The fact is , it is the "mystery of God" and written in such a way , both symbolically and literally, that non-christians, as well as theologians, who are "educated " according to "the wisdom of the World", cannot understand it. Thats why for example, their teachings on the Seals, Trumpet and Vials, are totally flawed, and are not supported by scripture, except for taking text out...
sorens70601 1 year ago
...of context, for the speculative nonsense they propagate. Let me give you one example; They say, that the seven trumpets happen in the "first half" of the Tribulation, and that the seven Vials,(bowls) happen "after" the seven Trumpets. Well, Rev 10:5-7, is one of those "absolute" passages, which cannot be negotiated, and it declares that , "when the seventh angel BEGINS to SOUND, (the seventh trumpet) TIME NO MORE"
That means that the tribulation is OVER at this time. Not only is...
sorens70601 1 year ago
... the tribulation over, but there can be NO OTHER judgments, after this time-line. This posits, that the seven Trumpets happen in the last half of the seven year tribulation, and not in the first half, as falsely claimed by modern theology. Also it catagorically proves, that the seven Vials must either take place "BEFORE" the seven Trumpets, (or as the Bible correctly demonstrates) each Viaal happens individually just before the corresponding Trumpet. But fact is, the Trumpets are last.
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
My friend, the angel in Revelation 10:6,7 declares that "time should be no longer," not that time has ended. The "mystery of God" refers to the seven *thunders* John was told not to write down (Rev 10:4), not the order of events in the vision he was shown. We must accept that Jesus has revealed to his servants exactly how and when all this is to be, because I promise you, that it is how it WILL be.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 , I made it clear that the "time no more" as I put it,(although it is writtten "time no longer" as you correctly stated) deals with the fact that the seven year tribulation is over.(as in finished) And that is exactly what it means. The "Mystery of God" as referred to in verse seven that "should be finished, as God hath declared to his prophets, is NOT the seven thunders, as you assert. None of the prophets ever wrote anything about such. But what they did declare, was the ...
sorens70601 1 year ago
..coming judgment of God , the resurrection (in particular) and the coming millenium. Here in Rev.10:5-7, it deals with the last judgements to be poured out, (as in the seventh Vial, and the final and simultaneous seventh Trumpet ) and specifically it refers to the final ressurection orders of the "main harvest " of the earth, (Rev.14:14-16) and the almost simultaneous resurrection of the martyrs,(Rev.20:4) It is this "Mystery" of teh resurrection, as also aluded to in 1.Cor.15:51-53, that ..
sorens70601 1 year ago
..is the center of attention in this passage, and not the seven thunders, as you mistakenly believe. It is important that you have your facts anchored in the scriptures, otherwise it becomes nothing more than
academic speculation. The first resurrection, is such a "mystery" that the Bible declares that even the Angels would like to understand it. The fact that we as mortal beings, are going to be changed to immortality, is by
biblical foundation, called the "Mystery of God".
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
John was the prophet who wrote of this, but he was told to "seal up" this part of the revelation. The word "mystery" occurs in the Revelation only four times, and this is the only mystery not revealed in the same passage. When Paul wrote, "Behold, I show you a mystery..." he prophesied "harpazo," and thus it is no longer a mystery, for he revealed it. Likewise, the resurrection is no mystery, as by this our Savior has given to us His power over death. May Jesus bless you.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1.... You seem to be only looking for an arguement, which is not of interest to me. But to set the record straight, It does concern the "mystery" that Paul was discussing, ( as Paul in 1.Cor .15:51 only declares it a "mystery", yet never revealed its detail.) And yes it concerns the 'Harpazo" (or taking away) and that is why
it completely harmonizes with 1.Thess.4:15-17, and its Greek wording of in both verse 15 and verse 17, saying; "We the living the ones Surviving" ...
sorens70601 1 year ago
... Proving it's built-in "time-line", of surviving the latter half of the tribulation, as this final resurrection order completes the "mystery". Hence the words in Rev.10:7 ; "But in the daysof the voice of the seventh Angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the MYSTERY of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets". Again, the prophets were all prohesying about God's judgment, the coming for the saints, and the coming millenium. Sorry, your theory is invalid
sorens70601 1 year ago
...Furthermore, the passage of 1.Thess.4:15-17 that I referred to, with its wording "we the living the ones surviving" you can look up in the Greek 'Textus Receptus", Greek/English interlinear, (even online) and you will discover that the "Pre-Trib" crowd has wrongfully applied this text as their " proof text", when in fact it nullifies their whole position, as it by its wording proves a "tribulational" time-line, by the words; "the ones surviving". Jesus warned only about the coming...
sorens70601 1 year ago
..Tribulation, and it was the "abomination that maketh Desolate" that was to be a "SIGN", in his answer to the disciples about His coming , and notice this "sign" was to "precede" his coming, and give people the time to escape, by "fleeing to the mountains". Since the "abomination that maketh desolate", does not "appear" until the mid-point of the seven year tribulation, it must be clear that a "one-time" Rapture, ( very unscriptural) cannot happen before this warning by Jesus. Go figure !!
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
My friend, Jesus prophesied "paralambano" when he cited the story of Noah, therefore I believe in a pre-Wrath rapture consistent with the virgin parable of Matthew 25. In that depiction, there is no resurrection and no second coming, but rather a process of selection, just as occurred in the life of Noah and his family. In the events of Matthew 24:31, all remnant saints are "caught up" in the harpazo. May Jesus bless you.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 ..The "pre-wrath" theory, by Van Kampen and Marv Rosethal, has as many flaws in it as does the "Pre-trib theory". Besides, both these , as well as the "mid-trib" and "post trib" theories hold to a singular "Rapture", which is inconsistent with the scriptures, that carefully declare seven distinct and different "orders" to the first resurrection. This is what sets me, and my book "None Dare Call It Deception", apart from any other teaching on this subject of the "first ......
sorens70601 1 year ago
..resurrection", as I catalog the Bibllical doctrine on this issue all teh way from Leviticus and into the New Testament. As for you saying; " there is no resurrection", that must be regarded as a non-christian statement, as Paul tells us, " if there is no resurrrection from the dead, then we are of men most miserable". But the fact that Christ arose on the very foreordained "feast of the firstfruits", (He died and arose "acording to the scriptures", 1.Cor.15:3-4) we have the assurance ...
sorens70601 1 year ago
...that we also, likewise will be resurrected in immortal bodies. Besides, the scriptures declare that over 500 saints (of those that came out of the graves, "after his resurrection. Mt.27:52-53 ) showed themselves in Jerusalem. So fo you to say ; "there is no resurrection" is a contradiction of scriptural fact. So is the fact of the second coming. Next, to base your belief on the parable of the virgins, and the account of Noah, is hardly solid doctrinal evidence for belief.
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
The resurrection of the dead in Christ occurs at the second coming, when all the saints (living and non-living) are gathered to the Lord (Matthew 24:31 and I Thessalonians 4:15-17.) The "virgin parable" of Matthew 25 makes no mention of resurrection, therefore we know that "paralambano" must occur before the second coming. The corollary that Jesus made to Noah tells us that his bride will be received by Him before the fall of Judgment during the Tribulation.
jayorama1 1 year ago
@jayorama1 ... It seems that you have no understanding of the "docrine of the first resurrection", hence your repeating yourself on Noah and the parable of the virgins. The biblical "docrine" on the first resurrection begins in Leviticus, and continues though the N.T. , and declares that there are seven diferrent "orders" to the "first resurrection". Your perspective is like standing very close to a large painting, and looking at some small "spot" through a hole in a paperplate, and .....
sorens70601 1 year ago
...trying to convince me, (who is standing back and looking at the whole painting) what the painting is all about, while you are examining less than 2% of the whole painting. Hopefully this my analogy will get you to see how little you understand of this subject. Better yet , just enter "Sorensen ministries" on any large search engine, and get a copy of my book "None Dare Call It Deception", and you can read all about it, with ten times more scriptural documentation than the pre-tribbers.
sorens70601 1 year ago
@sorens70601
I pray that your walk with Jesus will lead you into His arms when the midnight cry is made, my friend.
jayorama1 1 year ago
Hey, Perry Stone, How can you present a "Pre-trib Rapture", when Jesus answered the disciples question in Mt.24:2, about what was going to be the "sign" of his coming, by saying,(verse 15) that the "sign" of his coming, would be when his followers saw "the abomination that maketh desolate" stand in th Holy place, to flee to the mountains and get ready for His return. Are you telling us that this event of the "abomination" happens BEFORE the tribulation, as it pre-cedes Christ's coming, Hmm..???
sorens70601 10 months ago
..picture windows, if you will, that predict certain important events. Considder this; If the first seal, is the beginning of the "wrath of God", then to be consistent you have to agree, that the opening of the subsequent six seals, must be the "continuation" of the " wrath of God". Now when you get to the fifth seal, you will have a big problem, as the opening of it, begins the "martyrdom" of possibly millions of "saints", in other words the wrath of God poured out on God's people, (?) ..
sorens70601 1 year ago
...and in total violation of God's word, as in 1.Thess.5:9, which declares that ; "We are NOT APPOINTED to WRATH". So you see, your understanding of this issue , as presented by these false teachers, does not square with the "absolutes" found in God's word. The scripture says; " Let God be true, and avery man a liar." The scriptures do not teach a singular "Rapture" at all. As there are seven different and distinct orders to the first resurrection. You can find me , Morgan Sorensen, on..
sorens70601 1 year ago
any large "search engine". My book "None Dare Call it Deception", (copyright 1984) is available on my website. Maybe some "movers and shakers" can arrange a public debate between me and any of these pre-trib guru's,
so these truths can come out into the open. As the "pre-trib establishment" seems to scared to let me in on their "prophecy conferences". How about it ? A good friendly open debate, examining the scriptures more diligently, seems a fair proposition, IF, Truth is of importance.
sorens70601 1 year ago
very eery, i was debating to myself a minute before watching this if there was going to be a rapture if so pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture, post trib rapture or a rapture at all. and the first thing that poped up on my search engine was this guy. And he made the most sense out of anyone ive ever heard before on the subject and the bible can back it up 100%. I'm convinced
aeiouy07 1 year ago
Your both mistaken. It's the 13th year of the 19 year cycle. Making this year a leap year on the jewish calender. The date was wrong this year... Its actually october 8-9 ends at sunset october 9th. Its gonna happen today or tommorow.
jathomas901 1 year ago
Check out Dr Owuor on here.
rossdaboss1959 1 year ago
I am not pre trib but middle rapture tribulation. I think Perry maybe made a mistake about the date but the time he is right. I honestly don't think the world will be the same in the next rosh hasanah. Three out of one will happen first, the rapture, III WW will start or global disaster (economic or natural disaster).
lethman40 1 year ago
Funny Nothing happened this Rosh HaShanah
TheDoglover777 1 year ago
@TheDoglover777 Could it be that the 7 year tribulation will begin after the completion of the present peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. The Whitehouse has made it clear that they expect the negotiations to be complete in one year. That would bring us to the next Rosh HaShanah in 2011.
gadawk2010 1 year ago
@gadawk2010 EXCEPT THAT MAN OF SIN THE SON OF PERDITION BE REVEALED, THEN SHALL BE THE COMING OF THE SON OF GOD.
TIM316YAHISTRU 1 year ago
This three part series is very exciting to listen to. I've probably been saying that the Rapture would happen for at least 30 years now. However, when we look at the signs: spiritual deception in the Church, an increase in natural disasters, world -wide finacial difficulties, talk of a one-world government, the joining of Iran, Russia and Turkey, as well as the whole world turning against Israel... Jesus is coming for His Bride SOON!
MrCairokid 1 year ago
***but.. the Bible ALSO states that not even JESUS KNOWS when he will come back to earth, only GOD knows... so how could man know?***
MultiMustang20 1 year ago
Perry Stone is a money-changer. he sells jewelry in the church (I am an eye witness of this). i believe he is a false prophet.
cieluore 1 year ago
Why are you stupid enoughv to listen to this false prophet bastard! The 1st clue ought to be Daystar at the topright corner of the screen!!! Daystar is another name for Lucifer!!!!!!!!!!! Stop listening to false PROPHETS!!!! THERE IS NO PRE-TRIB RAPTURE!!!!
SoldierofChrist12345 1 year ago
@SoldierofChrist12345 lead with love not hate
bluekron77 1 year ago
@SoldierofChrist12345 just seeing the fact you would call ANYONE that name tells me you are not a true follower of Christ.
eyem4freedom 1 year ago
@SoldierofChrist12345 do you believe that there will be a "rapture"... even though the word rapture isn't even mentioned in the Bible? Satan is doing the best he can to deceive us... I pray that Jesus does come soon.
MultiMustang20 1 year ago
Good.. the volume is higher on this one.. yeah!
erok2020 1 year ago
I cannot wait for the Rapture..At last getting rid of all those crazies. So the rest of the world can move on.
diakrite 1 year ago
I find it so disheartening that so many Christians are still cling to this stupid fairy tale called Rapture. Folks there isn’t going to be one! The bible doesn’t even talk about one. The one about the two in the field and one is taken; go back to the ‘The Parable of the Weeds’. What is removed? It’s the weeds are removed from the field first so the harvest can be done. So face it; you will have to go through the 7 years unless you die. There is no escape. Louie wants it that way.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 No, my friend..there is going to be a rapture.
shinethelight18 1 year ago
@shinethelight18 No, my friend its a myth that someone made up so they could sleep at night. You need to wake up and try reading the bible. Why? There is no mention of a rapture in there. Not ONE! 1 Corinthians 3:18, "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you thinks that he is wise in this age, he must become foolish, so that he may become wise." So wake up, read the bible, get wise and get ready because it is nigh. I have already sent someone a 4 page e-mail on the side on this.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 Welll, since you say rapture is a lie..then your calling Jesus a liar. Cause Jesus spoke of a rapture in John 14. John14: 2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4You know the way to the place where I am going."
shinethelight18 1 year ago
@shinethelight18 Am not call Yeshua a lair but you and the others are trying to make him look like a fool and a fraud. Give me one verse. Just one verse that says the Church will be removed from the earth during the time of the tribulation. Just one verse! BTW, I know you can't. You will have to twist scripture to even say that and I'll be all over you if you try. Why am I hard? Because I don't want the church to be unprepared. And yes, they will have to go through it. Everyone.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 And Paul spoke about this too...1 Thess 4: 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever...if this is not a rapture..then what is it?
shinethelight18 1 year ago
@shinethelight18 How many times does Christ return? Once; just once! He doesn't come to take the church out and leave to just to come back again. Zechariah 14:4; On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south. On this day is the day the master returns to take his throne. Everyone will be put to the test. No escape.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 and also my friend.....I have waken up....I am reading my bible :-) But don't be such an ass by forcing me to reread my bible ok?
shinethelight18 1 year ago
@shinethelight18 LMAO. Ok, I will not force you to re-read your bible. This subject is a very sore issue with me. I just explained in a 4 page e-mail to someone else. Of course they haven't answered back. I countered the whole rapture myth in those 4 pages. I'll followed it to you on the side without the persons name.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@shinethelight18 Go read the Doctrinal history of this. Search wikipedia. It's ok even if it's not complete. All of this myth started by the American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) in their New Testament commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up prior to judgment on the earth and Jesus' Second Coming. As I have pointed out. Noah went through the flood and we will go through ours
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 I just came from your youtube and you say you mix christian and american indian pow-wow and other cultic practise together? Thats like an african mixing voodoo with his christian experiance.It wont fly with God.Thats what Hitler did with catholism mixed it with old german cult.I hope your not praying to your ancestors, that spritualism. the hindus and catholic do that too.I guess its hard to give up ancestor cultic witchcraft ways .
sidebarr7 1 year ago
@sidebarr7 No, I said "I am a Christian but I don't endorse modern interruptions of what a Christian is." Also that " I follow the old ways as best as I can laid down by the Master and I do trip along the way. " " I add Native American shaman influence into my Christian practices. And I attend the local Pow Wows when I can to show respect for my people and to my ancestors." If you are going to quote me then get it right.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@sidebarr7 Since you are living in a dream world which would be the only reason that you would challenge me on this. I would think you don’t have much of a leg to stand on hence your personal attack. So when you understand more about being a Christian then get back to me. I have nothing to fear or apology for. The only person that can judge me is God; not you. Did you know that judging someone is a sin? I bet you didn’t. Go back and lie to yourself some more.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 A real christain can take correction and we are to give it according to Hew 3;13 ,,Admonish daily while its called today,Your misled Bro, Im not judgeing you,just what you beleive. WHY is it no beleiver can take correction???? Shaman POW WOW??? come on its in your bible what witchcraft is.
sidebarr7 1 year ago
@sidebarr7 So much for you being a real Christian then. Wrong is wrong. You are blind, foolish and narrow minded. You have no clue what you are talking about and your knowledge of the bible is limited. I never claim greatness and I have my faults. My people believed in God long before you white men came here. We call him grandfather. Your words are foolish and insulting. For you are not a Christian and the meaning of being one seems to be beyond you.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 We judge right and wrong all day long ,,if we are real. No real beleiver will agree with you on this native american witchcrft,or voodoo,or shamanism, I can send you material on this and a bible study on What to judge,your comment is childish at best and lukewarm.
sidebarr7 1 year ago
@sidebarr7 You understand little and you by nature aren’t Christian but an abomination in the sight of the Lord. You think that you have to follow the thoughts of man or the thoughts of God. These churches that you are so proud of are the foundation of those that didn’t like what other fools did. This isn’t what the master wanted and you have little intelligence to understand what is what. You are like the Pharisees of old. Follow your false prophets if you so wish. We are now done fool.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 a bit strong words to sidebarr, but I do have opened yes to see the calling of the saints to the Lord is not before the tribulation but after or shortly before the 7 years end. I think their main error is in believing the 7 years are the wrath of God which they are not.
bluekron77 1 year ago
@bluekron77 It could have been worse. Most pre-tribbers can't hold a prophecy discussion without resorting to attacks. When they attack who I am because of my race and act out of foolishness then yes, I lose my temper. It's like saying; oh you are black and do voodoo dances. Two wrongs don't make a right but I will not have someone talking trash either. That's the ex-gi in me. Lucky for them they have a box between. That's ok. Am not the judge but Yeshua is. I'll let it go to him.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 you know, until you mentioned about not being able to have a dicussion with a pre-triber without resorting to personal attacks.. i would't have realized it, but the few people that I have started to including the last one I was called a high minded and that is is becasue I just can't understand all things, surely I can't know more than a pastor...
bluekron77 1 year ago
@bluekron77 In any passionate discussion both sides will support their positions with vigor as they should. The discussion can get very emotional but so long as it stays logical and factual then it will achieve conclusion somehow. Even if that is to agree to disagree. This one topic has me concerned because I don’t want the church to be ill-equipped for the upcoming battles. This childish position will be one of the nails in the churches coffin.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@bluekron77 On knowing more than a pastor then consider this. Look at "The King is But a Man" Speech from Henry V. This is from Shakespeare. From this bit of wisdom one can see that they should never be place high. They make mistakes as much as anyone else. Here is the truth. One should armor themselves with the scripture of God and not the ravings of a madman. The term pastor is merely a label. Who are you willing to follow? God or a man? Its to think about not a real question from me.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@bluekron77 You see if sidebar would have asked why then I would have answered. Most believe that there is going to be some beam out that’s going to save them from the trib. It’s not. My problem with it is that I think most of the church will think there will be something to get them out and when it doesn’t happen then they start falling away. That and there is no scripture back up to this believe leaves the church unready for what is coming. That’s my problem.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@bluekron77 You should have looked at the racial attacks that sidebar did. Here one; "Shaman POW WOW??? come on its in your bible what witchcraft is. " It does require reading skills and at times due to lack of understanding questioning. But direct attacks because he is white doesn't it make it so. A Pow Wow is like New Years, family get together and 4th of July. But he didn't ask what it was. He assumed! A normal white mistake. Erev Yom Terruah is on evening of the 8th. Happy holidays.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
keyboard/pacifist..u asked about MY doctrine appointing the foolish ones to wrath I do not appoint anyone to anything there is a rapture for those who are watching & believe others not included not MY word His Diligent study will reveal these things The story of the virgins is about the rapture Thess = He does not come like a thief to His own. Rosh ha Shana is known as the day no man knows/more than one day. 7 feasts-4 fulfilled others will= study them HATE FOR US IS SIN YET WE ARE HATED WOW
snooky1942 1 year ago
@snooky1942 The wise virgins did not watch. How do you explain that into your pre-trib theory? Yes, I do agree that Rosh haShana is the timing of the pre-wrath/post-trib rapture. I found this on my own with much prayer and humillity..... having spent 25 years as a "pre-tribber." Now tell me, where exactly does it say that there will 2 separate raptures? It doesn't. You have to invent a ton of false doctrine in order to do that.
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
Daniel 9:27 fulfilled by Yeshua declaired in Mark 1:15.
"Covenant with many" Hebrew 8:6-13.
the rapture is a lie of the jesuits papal cult
zobcity01 1 year ago
@zobcity01 your nuts truly nuts.
MrBysa 1 year ago
@MrBysa what a Bastard you are mrbyra. go to hell you filthy pornochannel minded fool. slewfoot your father calls you .
zobcity01 1 year ago
@zobcity01 what does this have to do with hockey? thats mr b y S a as in beat your silly butt-down. you must be catholic? go kiss the pope.
MrBysa 1 year ago
@zobcity01
really Jesus made a deal for a week?
MrBysa 1 year ago
Yeshua said the no man would know the day or the Hour....BUT he did say we would know the Season. That is to say we would know that it was close. I believe it is VERY close and should happen in my lifetime. I will be 65 in June. The KEY is the Nation of Israel. Watch what goes on in the Middle East. An example is that there is a movement in Israel to rebuild the Temple. Yes there are problems to overcome but they WILL be solved. Maranatha!
ljackso 1 year ago
Did I miss the part when the little dog laughed to see such sport before the cow jumps over the moon? I know it is edited, but I think the entire nursery rhyme should be read by Perry with all his wisdom, smarts, good looks and prophetic appeal.
nmh1961 1 year ago
LOL LOL LOL
You're kidding right?
oh well, someone has to take the wide road.
I'll read for myself and NOT follow you and your distorted philosophies about the heresy of your misinterprtation of the rapture concept.
robwiley01 2 years ago
Although I don't agree with date setting, but we still benefit from the discussion of the Blessed Hope that Jesus gives to us. We won't know the day until the Father tells the Son to get His Church. It could be on Rosh Hashanah, Thanksgiving, or Kwanzaa for that matter, but this is strictly up to the Father.
WaltGe 2 years ago
I wish every believer would do the same trust, but verify, we need to do our own research. The Holy Spirit raise red flags when the teaching contradicts the Holy Scriptures, but one needs to read it every day.
mro819 2 years ago
I have listened to all three parts and I do not think I am hearing him say that the rapture will take place Rosh Hashana 5770 or 2009.
Either your title is a bit misleading, or i have just plain missed it.
AmosPressley 2 years ago
These videos are pointless. The rapture cannot be predicted.
spopatomic 2 years ago
Can someone please tell me when the Hebrew New Year (Rosh Hashanah) was changed from the first month of the Hebrew year to the seventh month and merged with the feast of trumpets? It was not always that way. (compare Exodus 12:1-2 with Leviticus 23:23-24) Thank you.
1stResurrection 2 years ago
It was not changed. These are different new years - Passover marks the beginning of the calendar new year, "this month shall be the beginning of months..." (Exodus 12:1-2). Rosh HaShana is in the 7th month and is the beginning of the SPIRITUAL new year.
mirazemira 2 years ago 2
According to this article the beginning of the CIVIL year, the year of the kings, is Rosh HaShana and it was changed from the first of Nisan to the first of Tishri during the exile in Babylon.
tazaniah 2 years ago
what article are you referring to? "According to this article the beginning of the CIVIL year..."
mirazemira 2 years ago
hmm.... I can't post a url. I sent you a personal message. Check your inbox
tazaniah 2 years ago
Yes, I sent a reply to your inbox. I've tried to post the url too. Won't accept anything that has a url extension in it
mirazemira 2 years ago