All this terroristic crap sure has helped the lives of the Palestinians... not. EVERY time this crap happens, retribution is harsher and more and more of the world looks away and looses sympathy for people who use crap as a means to an end.. Passive resistance would have cleared this matter years ago, but apparently pseudo-revenge is more important than peace.
@dengeyoook the only problem is that ur country still has an israeli embassy. ur president and leaders are puppets to israel. Israel murdered 30 turkish citizens in gaza and all ur president could do is ask for an apology. The turkish government is a member of NATO and has joint military excercises with the israeli army. So u have no right to say long live hamas
@rapskallion israel was doing the same for the last 62 years ,,, sorry this was the only way to make israel stop it , remember this time israel's war on lebanon took only 33 days , unlike 1982-2000 ....... if killing settlers in return brings something it certainly is peace and stability
I'm very sorry i'm a muslim but you must know. You must to change you goverment. Israel and Palistina must live together. This Jerusalim must belong to you both. It's very ancient city and it's very expensive to the jews and muslims sooo we must to save Jerusalim. You must divide Jerusalim city between Israel and Palestina. And i'm repeatto you again change the goverment!!!! Then you will be live in peace. If not it will be very sad end. We want a peace.but you must divide Jerusalem.
@FrizzleFry117 Israel wants peace? Who is occupying who? What a fucking idiot. Gaza 2008, hundreds of civilians murdered by Israel and no one said anything.
Oh and by the way. God may not rip my soul from MY body, he does not have MY permission.Fucking jew. I knew you and your jew dogs should have been wiped out I just knew it!
And blow up some countries me and my friends hate (England,Turkey,Iraq,America,Israel,New Zealand, Austrailia.) and I'm not a terrorsist. they use Allah's name wrongly.
Nasrallah has already said he's going to hit Tel-Aviv next. Plus Syria and Iran are loading Hezbollah up with anti-aircraft batteries able to shoot down F-16's. What are the Jews going to do? Occupy Lebanon? That's what gave birth to Hezbollah in the first place... they're in a fucked position.
October 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs:
"There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."
I happened on this trying to find lyrics to katyusha.
I think the midle east is a deaply troubled and disturbing place where people would prefer to shoot, blow up, buldoze and make life tough for one another rather than do the responsible thing and make peace.
@northerbrewer israeli goverment won't make peace, neither will hamas, but thats not the story, there is peace, usa funds terrorist groups who do stupid shit like they did in iran today, those people shouldnt be recgonzied doing that, stop funding terrorism is the problem, hamas isn't a random i wanna blow pepole up group, they are a resistance movement against occupation
@northerbrewer israeli goverment won't make peace, neither will hamas, but thats not the story, there is peace, usa funds terrorist groups who do stupid shit like they did in iran today, those people shouldnt be recgonzied doing that, stop funding terrorism is the problem, hamas isn't a random i wanna blow pepole up group, they are a resistance movement against occupation
@northerbrewer everything started because america and britain decided to give our land to jewish people, israels goverment is pure occupation and their pm's made it clear like Ariel Sharon that filth admitted it, then to get support they put america in wars, truth is both of you need to leave our land
In 1947 or before leaving was an option for the jews and not moving there was the most logical choice. Now there are too many people fighting over too little land with some measure of claim to it.
I think a negotiated settlement is the only way to end the violence.
I feel deaply for those who suffer on both sides but no one on the outside like me can do anything to stop it.
very good fuck them with rockets direct into thier ass .....the people who distroy houses of other people to built thier own should b treated like that they should b burned in thier houses which r bulit on the dead bodies of childrens n blood of innocent palestanian people i support fire fire more n more rockets.....
Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, said that the area of the Jewish State stretches: "From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates." The "Brook of Egypt" may be another lesser waterway about 100 miles East of the Nile. Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the UN Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: "The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon."
@yohazem1 there are many branches for zionism. religious zionism means the belief that jews should have the land promised by god.
theodor herzel was not religious, and he even tried to establish a jewish state in africa. i don't know where you took that "quot" from, but it seems unreliable.
as for the state of israel - the current government is secular, and has no will to conquer the "whole israel" as religious zionists call it.
@kidi1232 everything is unreliable to you, this was the zionist founder. You sure know his intentions since you're a zionist. Hamas wounded 336 soldiers, so they defenitly targeted idf soldiers. So did israel hit civilian population! Israel is invading not hamas, i don't wanna hear the bs that they called people to leave their homes because i know many people who died from trying to leave their homes to others getting attacked. What about QANA? Hezbollah shot rockets after israel kiled civilians
@yohazem1 i know herzel and his intentions, and he never said jews should have the "whole israel", his idea of the jewish state was a small place where jews could go to in times of troubles.
hamas injured soldiers, but not with rockets and mortars. im talking about ballistic attacks.
israel warned people who were close to targets. it's still doesn't mean that israel can completely avoid civilian casualties.
@kidi1232 you know what i am talking about when i say qana, hamas definitly injured soldiers with mortars, rpgs, etc bomb traps, they don't have a variety of weopons. Yes israel has uavs which directed the combat troops, i asked a israeli of the hamas rockets, he said they are immiedatly warned and hide in shelter than laugh about hamas. But they use hamas to continue occupying in the west bank and east jerusalem, settlements is mlitary occupation
i don't know about any rockets or mortars that were directed towards military targets.
not all troops has an "eye in the sky", and operations not always go the way they were planned to.
yes, israel has a rocket alarm system, but what is that matter? does it's something we should ignore because the chances it will hurt someone are low?
settlers don't even use hamas as an excuse, they use the bible. the IDF is not supporting the settlers, but it is there to make sure that the arabs won't start a war over the settlers and vice versa. as for the legality of the settlements - that is under the government and the police.
"palastinians" use the settlements as an excuse to stop the peace process, as if israel never pulled jews from their homes for an illusion of peace (gaza, sini).
@kidi1232 when israel destroyed the apartment full of women and children, settlers use the bible? You mean Torah? Jews are different than christianity. Its up to the military to decide whether settlements should be built. AND THEY APPROVE, its not a desicion yet to come, its already happening and has been. Why is nethanyhu thinking of a settlment freeze, o ya that f22 deal if he would extend peace talks.
@kidi1232 You're a pile of shit, then you say if muslims use the quran to recgonize the land as theirs they are non-moderate terrorists. 100percent hypocrite, you must think jews can use the torah to justify settlements because you are the chosen people of god and better than every other nation on earth. If you wanna think that way of your zionist idealogy and continue being hypocrotical don't even bother replying
@yohazem1 i do not think that the bible is a justification to the settlements, i don't think there is a justification to the settlements. where exactly is the qoran says israel belongs to the muslims? as far as i remember it says it belongs to the jews.
but then again, muslims believe the whole world is their own.
by bible i mean tanakh, or "old testament". the decision is not of the army, but of the government. and if the government allows muslims to build wherever they want---
@kidi1232 "but then again, muslims believe the whole world is their own." What a hate monger. The rest of you're comments are pointless, i already addressed the same thing over and over again. What control do palestinians have? They don't even control the west bank the idf military does, all we have left is gaza and hamas. Where have palestinians built in israel? So the whole reason you went to palestine was because your 3,000 yyear old book tells you its yours. Go back to poland wherever
@yohazem1 i understand now, it's not a poor reading comprehension, its selective understanding. you understand only what suits you, and if it doesn't, you twist it until it suits you. how difficult can the sentence "i do not think that the bible is a justification to the settlements, i don't think there is a justification to the settlements." be? i don't think we returned because of the bible, but because it is our history. put the bible aside, my people has a history of over 3500 years.
@yohazem1 but then again, you prefer to see it as i'm basing my actions on a biased book written 3000 years ago. even if i wanted to return to where my grandfather and grandmother came from - i can't, they won't even let my grandparents to have their property back, not to mention returning.
do you deny that according to the qoran, the whole world should be under islam and the sharia? talking about hate mongering, you are the one who said jews control the US.
@yohazem1 you are the one who said our holy books calls us to treat non-jews unequally (which is a lie, those texts show in the talmud, which is not a holy text but a collection of opinions, how odd is it to find 1 racist among thousands of others?).
the palastinians have the palastinian authority, although in terms of reliability it is far from a government, its still much better than hamas.
where have palastinians built in israel? everywhere. they don't accept or care about the law---
@kidi1232 the first 2 comments i am not even gonna speak about, palestinians have a lot of history to the area, everywhere? Are you smoking hasheesh? Seriously? Israel is specifically buliding apartments in jerusalem just for jews. And the settlments just are gonna make more people turn against israel and the ruin any chances of peace since israelis elected netanyahu.
@yohazem1 israel cannot build apartments for jews, arabs can buy them if they want to. everywhere, yes, in the negev desert and in the north. they expand their villages and build illegally in them, they build new villages wherever they want to.
i still don't see the reasons why the settlements don't allow peace talks. they make people turn against israel? and the rockets fired by hamas make people happy? the attacks on innocent jews?
@kidi1232 what do you mean? palestinians build settlements? I dont get what you're saying. The settlements take up land and kick people out of their property, which is the reason it all started. You think hamas is only shooting rockets. They do a lot to idf inside gaza, if you search in arabic you can find these videos
@yohazem1 i don't care how you call it, but palastinians build more illegal buildings than settlers. the settlers don't kick anyone out of their homes, they build new villages where there is nothing, or purchase buildings in arab neighbors and villages, and for some reason, you call that illegal. the reason it all started?! arabs begun killing jews in 1921, there were no settlements back then, only jews who bought lands.
@kidi1232 they take up private land, and forced to bulldoze homes. Palestinians don't build anywhere you scum, your all shit talk, how are they gonna built with idf there? Stupid, what arabs again? Palestinians aren't arabs for the last time, let me tell you just end the conversation i am sick of you
@yohazem1 palastinians aren't arabs? before 1967 no man called himself palastinian. people who call themselves palastinians come from egypt, lebanon, syria and jorden, and some are Bedouins. "palastinians" share the same culture, language, religions, origin, customs and land as the arabs.
if palastinians are not arabs, where did they came from? and how can you distinguish them from arabs?
arabs build in the negev desert, the galilee and illegal building in existing cities and villages.
@kidi1232 phillistines. The military bulldozes the homes for them. You have no proof of building in the negev desert and you except they can do it even though the idf controls those areas and they prpbably aren't loaded with money neither, anyways i am waiting for those wikileaks documents showing israels secrets, its gonna be fun!
@yohazem1 philistines are a european tribe that came through the sea from the greek islands, they were known for their red hair. defiantly not the people who today call themselves "palastinians".
the military doesn't bulldoze buildings for anyone's request, and settlers don't build on those places.
@kidi1232 right they are cannnites, and it was just reported on cnn palestinain lost their homes, go check it yourself. Yet you have no source of palestinians building which amazes me, wait? that must be occupied territory as well, every building israel builts should be illegal
@yohazem1 philistines are not cannites, like i said - they are europeans.
palastinians are not cannites either - they are from arab origin, some are egyptians.
like i said before- don't try to say palastinians are nation X, and point at a nation that completely assimilated and vanished. tell me what are the differences between "palastinians" and arabs.
@kidi1232 go look at genetic studies in gaza, which i can't provide unless i was in gaza, they are cannites and have roots, it was the ottaman empire and mandate of palestine if the jews didn't use the holocaust to put international pressure on palestinians to give them a state
Prof. Azmi bishara (who calls himself "palastinian", was a MK in israel and spied for hizballah, currently lives in lebanon). "there is no such thing as a palastinian nation, only arabic nation".
@kidi1232 man haven't i told you to end the debate? We already addressed everything, i don't have time to repeat everything over and over again. What are you trying to achieve? I would never sell my people
@kidi1232 like you responded to any of my comments, you just come back with the same old propaganda that i got sick of. If you wanna readdress your point of position, we can do it again
@yohazem1 i won't talk with you about anything before you will answer my comments. so let me repeat it for you (in case you forgot), after that i will answer your questions:
Prof. Azmi bishara (an arab who calls himself "palastinian", was a MK in israel and spied for hizballah, currently lives in lebanon). "there is no such thing as a palastinian nation, only arabic nation".
watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU
why do you think that makes palastinians different from arabs? and what do you base this theory on.
@kidi1232 so you think palestinians are just a bunch of arabs? Genetic study shows they have levantine ancenstry, mix of lebenese, iranian, egyptian, armenian?
@kidi1232 i am not speaking of phillistenes. and if its unproffesional, let your pros do it. So you're saying israelis are a people, but really they are a bunch of european jews
@yohazem1 read the article you brought, you found it professional enough and it claims jews are a people.
anyway, we discussed this before - jews are a people who lived in the kingdom of judah and were exiled to europe and north africa. they kept their ethnic differences from the new environments. studied their history and kept living in extremely closed communities. jews are a people with origin, history, culture, customs, language, religion and land.
@kidi1232 doesn't give them right what so ever to occupy land, the immigration should of been illegal, what about irgun or the stern gang? The 1948 war wasn't a attack, israel attacked villages 5 months before the war, they came to defend the part of palestine by the un partition plan. And i still believe caanites are now palestinian arabs
@yohazem1 but your belief has nothing to back it. the palastinian nation doesn't exist in the pages of history. and no archeological evidence were even found that such nation existed and lived in israel.
the 1948 war was actually begun in 1947, one day after the partition plan was confirmed - on an israeli bus, until 1948 arabs attacked with the help of military groups, and in 1948 with the help of 5 armies.
@kidi1232 ok we got to the point that niether israel or palestine existed, even though it did under british role. Anyways, the jewish terror groups were the first to start attacking people in their villages, lke irgun and whatever, you should know who they are, and if this any other country with a illegal foriegn invasion sucking up your space and land, anybody would revolt
@kidi1232 Jewish immigrants or zionists, only bought 7 percent of the land. Like i said they revolted for the major immigration. Its not me who decides, jewish people tell me this, they tell me that they don't support zionists. My question to you is whats up with these israeli propagandists on yahoo and such constantly crtitizing everyone? Even their race and religion? I hope you do not this manner
@yohazem1 i don't care why they revolted, they used violence on innocent people, with no prior violence from them.
7% of what? the lands which are currently the state of israel? the lands jews lived on? the lands which were supposed to be jewish according to the partition plan? what about lands that no one lives in like the negev desert?
@kidi1232 the lands that jews bought was only 7 percent, they didn't attack innocent people, your gangs started the attacks, but the whole invasion came out of nowhere, they pretty much forced palestinians into being a minority, now its too late, lets see if we get peace on the 6 borders, if not, than israeli pm will be criticized, the thing is they bring context out of the blue's that does not relate to gaza at all
@yohazem1 again you say "they were 7%" - 7% of what?!?!
yes, they did attacked innocents in 1921&9, and i already told you that the anti british groups you call "gangs" were established years after those attacks.
invasion? jews begun immigrating to israel since 1400. many of the so called "palastinians" came because they wanted to work for the jews.
israel already offered peace agreements based on the 67 borders, and the "palastinians" refused. even when we agreed to split jerusalem.
@kidi1232 they were not just anti-british groups, they attacked many villages and this is known, there were was a minority of jews back then, and it was up until after ww2, what exatcly are these peace agreements? Huh? Tell me the exact ones. Jews only bought 7 percent of land in israel when they immigrated
@yohazem1 they were anti british groups, that was their top goal. it was only due to arabs aggression they became more and more hateful towards arabs. but like i said, your claim that "jewish gangs attacked arabs and begun the fights" is ridicules.
jews only bought 7% of the land of israel - define the land of israel man - when jews immigrated there were no borders to israel, it was under the ottoman and british regime.
@kidi1232 Ask yourself when and why was there arab aggresion? I don't get what you're trying to say in the second part. I wasn't involved in politics when arafat was around, so i need to ask some people, i won't comment on the second part. Ok, antisemtism, the second part about the media makes sense and is sort of true though, but the first part is hyproctical and bias, why does the media portray an action of radicals for the muslim population? BTW, i don't view hamas as an terror organization
@yohazem1 the arab aggression? it started the moment jews wanted to have a state of their own (which is against the dhimmi laws) in the middle east (which they want to have 100% of it, and they are too greedy about lands to give 0.3% of it). as for a year - it started in ~1917-18 - from the moment israel was in the hands of non-muslims.
@kidi1232 its not about greed, im sorry but you cannot claim to have a holy land, well maybe you think that way but if it was accepted, jews should of accepted a palestinian state from the begining instead of creating their own state. And muslims claim hundreds even thousands years to land just as the jews did awhile back
@yohazem1 i don't see israel as holy. i see it as my historic homeland.
jews did accepted a palastinian state from the beginning (first of all jorden was supposed to be the palastinian state, and later they accepted the partition plan).
i didn't understood the "muslims claim hundred of years to land just as jews" part.
i think you are wrong, most of the jews do want a palastinian state, i don't think you know enough jews to say this. why is it too late for 2 states?
@kidi1232 please show who wants a two-state solution i would be suprised if they accept palestinians in jerusalem, no jordan was not, it owned a bit land supposedly.
who wants a 2 states solution? any secular jewish party (from the left extreme to the right extreme).
the british designated the transjorden as a state for the arabs under the mandate.
hamas has it written in it's manifesto "no peace with israel, never". they accepted the 67 borders because of the arab peace plan, which basically means "make one arab state and one arab state with jews in it".
@yohazem1 [pt2] israel evacuated settlers before, and we can trade lands where arabs live for jewish settled lands (for example- "the triangle" for X lands in the west bank where jews live.
egyptian schools teach "the protocols of the elders of zion" as a fact. people there hate israel and zionism.
people in gaza should understand that fighting us will only bring them (and us) more suffer. they should understand that all hamas wants is war, and that it doesn't care about its people.
@kidi1232 hamas already accepts 1967 borders, again show me which schools, its not people in gaza fighting with you, they want to end occupation and they did in gaza, not to mention that israel broke the ceasefire and supplied fateh to attack hamas right when they were democratically elected which israel rejects, so that there gives them the right to attack as well as the seige and blockade, again was put right when they got elected
@yohazem1 if they ended the occupation in gaza, why are they still firing at us?
israel didn't broke the ceasefire, during that "cease fire" hamas fired rockets on us and attempted a terror attack.
israel condemned hamas because, like i said, they deny any international solution that wasn't proposed by them or other arabs, and they promise to keep doing that in their manifesto.
israel put a blockade over gaza because that the only way we stop hamas from firing rockets.
@yohazem1 [pt3] jews aren't politically united and neither zionists, the haganah bombed a ship with irgun members, and today there are many arguments and fights between leftist zionists, right wing zionists and religious zionists.
mossad is just like the CIA, it has no power, it is completely under the control of the government (even more than the army is under the gov's control).
arabs don't speak for al kaeda, but al karda speaks for the arabs and none of them disagree.
@kidi1232 Yes zionists in mossad are united, they have the power the goverment gives them and they pull off assainations of your goverments order. What makes you think anyone supports al qaeda? You've never been to an arab country so don't talk, the only thing that makes sense is that they want america out of the middle east, and america funded the group in the first place
@yohazem1 the zionists in the mossad are simple workers, the government decides for them, and the government is elected by the people (which, like i said, are far from being united). even the government is not united (which is a bad thing because a government needs to be united in order to actually do something).
@yohazem1 i didn't said you support al qaeda, i said you never opposed.
you know, i kinda think america wants out of the mid-east too. but they are there for al qaeda. so why dont you arabs, who wants the USA out, fight aal qaeda so the americans wont have to stay there?
so terror is a word created by zionists? cool.
america didn't help the jews until 67. and you are the guys who invaded, we only came back after a long trip.
@yohazem1 [pt4] the zionists duty was to establish a jewish state (or a state of jews, there is a difference, but i don't want to get into it). but i don't know what is your duty. to help your brothers? how? by destroying israel? by scaring jews and the world with terror attack? by de-legitimizing israel?
or by doing an effort to establish a palastinian state that lives in peace with its jewish state neighbor? fighting israel only brings suffer.
@kidi1232 No one is terrorizing israel, don't use the word terror either, its a filth word created by zionists, if any other peoples experienced the jewish invasion they would revolt before its gets out of control and they lose everyhing, but america had to help you guys, since they have the same evil agenda, helping them i mean supporting thier cause, no i am not speaking of hamas, but the people in general, hamas should have that right, would you object idf's struggle?If they were in one
you must have missed the part wer several arab countrys around israel tryed to illegally and unjustly invade israel with soviet weapons by surprise... its not like they are taking arab land and killing arabs for fun, they are doing it because it is necessary, the arab land they control would and has been used as the front line or stepping stone in a invasion of israel, they stay there to prevent further aggression on their country, and they kill because they are being killed. so.....
UN didnt give syria, egypt or jordan permittion to do anything, israels land was aquired 100% legally and these arab countrys didnt like it, so they planned to attack in 67, and when israel noticed syria and egypt massing troops near its borders, it attacked in self defence, and then stole the land that these coutnrys would use to attack, in self defence.. the golan and suez are the front doors to israel, and you can be damb sure they going to protect themself? so whats the arab justification?
@101andrewj kidi this is you right? Anyways, egypt had gaza like you guys say and jordan was part of it like you guys say. Immigration was illegal, until your own jewish groups made it legal, like the area of jurisdiction and powers ordinance through military control. Its not at all legal, only because the british helped them even though you attacked them, after 1949 700,000 palestinians were expelled or fled from their villages, the immigration was clearly illegal until jewgroups validated it
you keep saying "you" like im a israeli or jew.. so any response would be dumb, cuz you clearly have me mistaken.. i am from the UK and i live in canada.. imigration laws have nothing to do with this current conflict.. it basicly boils down to religion. and all the bad muslims are willing to do because they think their religion justifys it. you think if all the surrounding arab countrys wer 100% athiest this roblem would still exist. no way, arabs kill and die for 1500 year old lies
@101andrewj hamas has a poltical charter, you read that, political, if anything none of this has to do with religion, even though jews claimed that god gave them the land, so i don't see your point, appaerantly i think our topic is based on GAZA, stop saying arabs this arabs that. Gaza, the palestinians wouldn't have a problem if they are free, and america and israel would stop interfering in the situation, america has no say, they should be cut out
i know hamas is a political groop, put in charge of gaza when israel gave it back to the palestilians a couple years ago... what i sayd, is what do u think motivates all these people to attack israel, kill themselfs and other innocent people.. i think its cuz muhammad sayd 1500 years ago that israel is a islamic land, and because he sayd a richeous muslim would try and remove all infadels from islamic lands, which most seem to think israel is. who cares bout USA, the arabs all supplied by russia
@101andrewj gaza was occupied before israel gave it up.And it wasn't like they were treating us equally. No one attacks israel, its only between palestinians and israel now. Before it was differen't. Muhammad(pbuh) said jeruslaem holds our holy mosques and sites. A infidel is a bad person, not based on his race or religion, christians and jews live in many islamic countries, arab countries are filled with them. You seem brainwashed, the conflict started because of the jewish immigration(mass)
exactly, muhammad sayd jeruslaem holds islamic temples, because at the time he was alive, israel was not run by jews.. and i have seen more then a few videos of muslims attacking innocent people, and never do they say its for imigration reasons... why do u think in every single video of a islamic man attacking a westerner or jew they chant glory to allah right before they attempt to kill them, think what you want, but this is deffently about religion... i bet you believe every word in the koran
@101andrewj muhammad has a mosque there, and al aqsa is important to both jews and muslims, you mean during a war? Or when hamas shoots qassam? They say allah akbar because they know they might die so they pray and say ashadu an lah illah ill allah, which that phrase itself will get you to heaven
i know of the mosque, its the one wer he "rose up to the heavens".. its still bullshit tho, and that dont give muslims a right to that land.. and apparently, according to you and islam. its alright to get killed launching missiles at random into innocent citys, long as you say some religious garbage first? do you ever find non religious arabs attacking israel, no. the reason you hear them saying allah akbar is because they are doing it for the lie of allah not for politcal or personal reasons
@101andrewj wow you sound like an idiot and an bigot. Muslims had control, or the palestiians for thousands of years like the jews did, look you dumbass, hamas does stuff in retailiation which only killed appartently 9 people in 9 years, so there's a rare channce, but all they did was retaliate. You think you know islam more than me you fool?
hamas usually hide like little girls and launch random rockets or suicide bom themself, so its hard to link the deaths to them directly, and i never sayd i know more about islam then you, i just sayd i know that the #1 reason for 95% of agression against the jews is religious, muslims are indoctrinated from birth into believing their religion is right above all other things, including logic, and this same religion, that you live by, says the jews are evil and israel is muslim land.
@101andrewj no they don't, gaza is a city you moron sharmoot kike hoe, they come out of the city in the midnight when israel first attacked you idiot they live in a ctiy, there is no military bases since israel would destroy them anyway, sucidie bombers are the ones who experienced deaths of loved one, which stopped long ago anyway, um muslims try to teach one another if not then you attempted if someone has questions about islam. Go ask a jew or christian if they think their reiligon is better
@101andrewj As well kid, go look at numbers of dead civilians, or children in gaza alone is a lot. Look at the whole history of dead palestinian children from israel. Just like the russian invaded chechyna to aquire mountains, and look at the sources and see how many chechen children and civilains died, Facist goverments like that believe they have a right to invade anybody and blame resistance as an terror act. Enough with that bullshit. Then they say civilians died from collateral damage
@yohazem1 im trying as hard as i can not to generalize muslims or arabs. but like i already told you, i have never talked to an arab who agrees to have a jewish state next to a palastinian state. not even a single one.
as for anti-semitism, the fact you believe it makes sense is anti-semitism, that origins in the faked document called "the protocols of the elders of zion". on it hitler based his hate, and it is being sold and taught in many arab countries.
@kidi1232 I think me and you can agree that jews don't agree to a palestinian state next to it. Its too late for a two-state solution, especially with the people settled in the areas, it seems like palestinians are wokring towards gaining control of their west bank including east jeruslaem. Arabic countries aren't radicial, i've been to the UAE and Eygpt, people in gaza experience the siege and war, so you shouldn't speak for them, they know more than us, and put yourself in their shoes
@yohazem1 look - you believe it, even though you weren't really given any evidence.
you may find that there are many jews in the media industry, but that still doesn't mean they control it. jews are far from being politically united, and if i was told that there is a nation that "runs" and control the world, jews would be my last guess.
talking about the media, it shows the actions of radicals, because the moderate ones don't criticize or acting against those radicals....
@kidi1232 Jews aren't politically united but it seems most zionists are. Again arabs won't speak for al qaeda, no one really understands what al qaeda is, they do, good muslims speak for palestinians, some don't agree with hamas, but i am a resident to gaza, and your terrorist is my freedom fighter, there is still religous love, or looking over your brothers, it makes me cry just thinking of my cousins just as jews around the world felt for the holocaust
@kidi1232 jews aren't poltically united, but zionists are, mossad is full of zionists they get power to do what they want. No one really knows what al qaeda is, arabs don't speak for al qaeda, but palestinains are our brothers, we have to help them, me personally am resident to gaza, i hold big pride for my cousins and people, not everybody speaks for hamas, but for the palestinians, its sort of accountable just like zionists had sought its a duty to make a jewish state
if hamas used it's money from iran, europe, israel and the USA to build a successful palastinian state in gaza (and not to buy weapons and munitions), the people of gaza wouldn't suffer from any war, blockades or bad economy.
when the palastinian people would do more to establish a palastinian state, than they do to destroy the jewish one - there will be peace.
@kidi1232 Again, hamas was condemned right when they got elected, unfortunately countries seemed to fear america, which both them and israel goverments are cowards, we don't fear niether of you, hamas rarely gets money in aid, wat millions? What is that gonna do huh? Maybe if israel wouldn't attack infrastructure then we would built another college or airport or hospital,
@yohazem1 like i said, hamas was condemned because of his manifesto, and i assure you - you would condemn them too if you would read it.
hamas rarely gets money and aids? what about 14,000 tonns that goes through israeli border control every week? how about over a billion dollars in 2009 alone?
no, hamas should not build hospicals nor airports, it needs to build factories, that will increase employment and exporting.
not fearing israel is not bravery, it's stupidity.
@yohazem1 oh, the peace agreements that was offered by Ehud Barak in 2000 (camp david). Barak (who was the PM), offered to give back 100% of the gaza, and 91% of the west bank (93% including east jerusalem). he offered a complete islamic control over the temple mount.
Yasser Arafat simply walked away. later, he claimed israel made the negotiation fail, but everyone else who were in the meeting said he is responsible for it.
there is a difference between criticizing the judaism or the jewish people, and saying antisemitic claims.
for example, you cannot accuse jews or judaism for the actions of individuals.
you cannot base your comments on jewish stereotypes - for example "jews are filthy rich, the steal others money and they control the media and government".
these are just few examples. hope you understood the difference.
nice strike hamas
2012freegaza 1 week ago in playlist katyusha attacks in israel
All this terroristic crap sure has helped the lives of the Palestinians... not. EVERY time this crap happens, retribution is harsher and more and more of the world looks away and looses sympathy for people who use crap as a means to an end.. Passive resistance would have cleared this matter years ago, but apparently pseudo-revenge is more important than peace.
rescyou 1 month ago
LONG LIVE HAMAS.. SELAM FROM TURKIYE..
dengeyoook 2 months ago
@dengeyoook the only problem is that ur country still has an israeli embassy. ur president and leaders are puppets to israel. Israel murdered 30 turkish citizens in gaza and all ur president could do is ask for an apology. The turkish government is a member of NATO and has joint military excercises with the israeli army. So u have no right to say long live hamas
farid77 2 months ago
@farid77 our goverments may be puppets .. but im not a puppet. so i can say what i want.. just shut up ;)
dengeyoook 2 months ago
I wouldn't be surprised to see a retaliatory shot some day with a small nuclear device. This behavior would warrant it, were it me.
rapskallion 3 months ago 3
Why would anyone fire indiscriminately towards innocent people? This is the act of animals; not humans. Filthy animals at that.
rapskallion 3 months ago 3
@rapskallion israel was doing the same for the last 62 years ,,, sorry this was the only way to make israel stop it , remember this time israel's war on lebanon took only 33 days , unlike 1982-2000 ....... if killing settlers in return brings something it certainly is peace and stability
toohnooch 2 months ago
I love watching this video to see how the dogs (Jews) are running out of fear.
samo23 5 months ago
@samo23 anti -semite psychopath you lack any shred of humanity
justicepursue 5 months ago 2
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kill them all fucking jews
amir105 6 months ago
Chuck's Norris car to work...
DragonSkin342 7 months ago
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FUCK YOU JEW!!
amfefe925 7 months ago
I'm very sorry i'm a muslim but you must know. You must to change you goverment. Israel and Palistina must live together. This Jerusalim must belong to you both. It's very ancient city and it's very expensive to the jews and muslims sooo we must to save Jerusalim. You must divide Jerusalim city between Israel and Palestina. And i'm repeatto you again change the goverment!!!! Then you will be live in peace. If not it will be very sad end. We want a peace.but you must divide Jerusalem.
SamadSd 7 months ago
@SamadSd if all people on both sides would have been like you, there would have been no war in the first place!
both goverments are fucked up ,
ImGodUFUCK 6 months ago
~ 70 years old... and still working. Soviet quality
eldrotto 7 months ago 26
@eldrotto SAFN Weapons owns
greenflubber1 5 months ago
@eldrotto :)
greenflubber1 5 months ago
@eldrotto russia - supports terror since 1960
DaveDoom 1 month ago
Israel - the real terrorist state. Cursed by God the Jews are reaping the fruits of their crimes. Jew = Seed of Satan
FireFox9032 9 months ago
Israel wants peace; Hamas and Hizbullah want a mortar target. What's Israel supposed to do, bend over and take it?
FrizzleFry117 9 months ago
@FrizzleFry117 Israel wants peace? Who is occupying who? What a fucking idiot. Gaza 2008, hundreds of civilians murdered by Israel and no one said anything.
DJFG85 9 months ago
And Isreal is not suppossed to react to this?
MrGezamo 10 months ago
To all of you below who support these attacks on Israel --- Have fun in Hell. :)
music4dude 10 months ago
LABAYKA YA HEZBOLLAH
jdkwjhh 10 months ago
Finaly they are bombing those fucking jews.I'm on the muslims side.Fuck israel!
FanOfArsenal1 10 months ago
@FanOfArsenal1 then fuck you and may god rip your soul from you.
able2ful 9 months ago
@able2ful Bro, I believe in Allah more than god and I'm a christian. Don't waste your time!
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago
@FanOfArsenal1 That does not even BEGIN to make any logical sense.
FelchBelcher 9 months ago
@FelchBelcher I'm gonna reenact Inglorious Basterds now,
Fuck you, and your jew dogs!
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago 5
@FanOfArsenal1 So, you are going to pretend to be in the US Army?
FelchBelcher 9 months ago
@FelchBelcher No I'm being the German dude who gets bashed the fuckup by the Bear Jew.
Oh man I'm getting fucked up by a Jew.
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago
@FanOfArsenal1 Haben Sie jemals von Logik gehört?
FelchBelcher 9 months ago
@FelchBelcher Weißt du was? Es tut mir leid. Das ist dumm bin ich verdammt krank zu kämpfen.
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago
@able2ful Haben die Hölle, Jude
Oh and by the way. God may not rip my soul from MY body, he does not have MY permission.Fucking jew. I knew you and your jew dogs should have been wiped out I just knew it!
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago
@FanOfArsenal1 dont u have to go and blow up somewhere and kill some children?
1MB5 9 months ago
@1MB5 I would like to kill two children (enemies)
And blow up some countries me and my friends hate (England,Turkey,Iraq,America,Israel,New Zealand, Austrailia.) and I'm not a terrorsist. they use Allah's name wrongly.
FanOfArsenal1 9 months ago
lovely to see a nice piece of soviet ww2 engineering used today.
Hyperlinex 10 months ago
You Jihad motherfuckers, It doesn't matter what religion or race you are. Fuck it all and live as humans.
ransid55 10 months ago
finally israel gets a taste of their own medicine.
Superboy316KING 10 months ago
fuck the israshit terrorist the day is coming to destroy the eavel israel israshit
oker1a 11 months ago
can we get an english dubbed version of this LOL
1pwn33du 11 months ago
ownd israel sucks!!!!!!!
azzaleabk1 11 months ago
Stupid Isreal, thinks can be a god or so.
Can Suck my dick.
DIE YEA, as "GeneralZ0mbie" said!!!
Owsryudie 11 months ago
die mother fockers die ... its been 62 years u israelis are killing palestinian and lebanese daily. time for some revenge.
GeneralZ0mbie 11 months ago
I am close to vomit. There is seriously no way to justify this act of inhumanity
rolligeswiesel 11 months ago
Nasrallah has already said he's going to hit Tel-Aviv next. Plus Syria and Iran are loading Hezbollah up with anti-aircraft batteries able to shoot down F-16's. What are the Jews going to do? Occupy Lebanon? That's what gave birth to Hezbollah in the first place... they're in a fucked position.
FUCKyouANDyourDOG 11 months ago
great video//
DaKhelwar 1 year ago
how many people died from the blast?
RadicalAwesomeness 1 year ago
the following should put the cards on the table:
October 2, 1948, the London Economist reported, in an eyewitness account of the flight of Haifa's Arabs:
"There is little doubt that the most potent of the factors [in the flight] were the announcements made over the air by the Arab Higher Executive urging all Arabs in Haifa to quit ... And it was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be regarded as renegades."
YanivS86 1 year ago
Live Katyusha rocket attack in Bat Galim, Haifa, palestine.
taxona100 1 year ago
Nice job!!!
Kill the Kike!!!
mfilip62 1 year ago
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pls fuck those khazarian jews plssssssssss
sieg heil lebanon!
Fuck israhell!!
fuckdapuss 1 year ago
i love damn rockets! please send more
RwSoy187 1 year ago
FUCK THOSE BITCHES WHOEVER DONE THAT!!!!
SeXeHRD 1 year ago
BEAUTIFUL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
ZIONIST SCUM U WILL LOSE ONLY A MATTER OF WHEN!!!!
key56eco 1 year ago
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Fuck each and every israeli, they are the scum of earth.
shayan0328 1 year ago
I'm not a big fan of Isreal, but no one should have to live under the fear of rocket attacks.
What a mess...
You people over there need to get your shit together and find some peace
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer have you seen what israel is doing in lebanon`?
zlomen123 1 year ago
@northerbrewer this was during the war with hezbollah
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1
Awful no matter when.
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer both sides yes, you need to know what caused the war, it wasn't hezbollah shooting rockets
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1
I'm well read enough to know who did what.
Don't think it realy matters when kids and old ladies are the targets
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer you know how many children died in the first two days of the gaza war?
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1
Trueth is I prefer not to know.
I happened on this trying to find lyrics to katyusha.
I think the midle east is a deaply troubled and disturbing place where people would prefer to shoot, blow up, buldoze and make life tough for one another rather than do the responsible thing and make peace.
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer israeli goverment won't make peace, neither will hamas, but thats not the story, there is peace, usa funds terrorist groups who do stupid shit like they did in iran today, those people shouldnt be recgonzied doing that, stop funding terrorism is the problem, hamas isn't a random i wanna blow pepole up group, they are a resistance movement against occupation
yohazem1 1 year ago
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@northerbrewer israeli goverment won't make peace, neither will hamas, but thats not the story, there is peace, usa funds terrorist groups who do stupid shit like they did in iran today, those people shouldnt be recgonzied doing that, stop funding terrorism is the problem, hamas isn't a random i wanna blow pepole up group, they are a resistance movement against occupation
yohazem1 1 year ago
@northerbrewer everything started because america and britain decided to give our land to jewish people, israels goverment is pure occupation and their pm's made it clear like Ariel Sharon that filth admitted it, then to get support they put america in wars, truth is both of you need to leave our land
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1
I am not American or British.
In 1947 or before leaving was an option for the jews and not moving there was the most logical choice. Now there are too many people fighting over too little land with some measure of claim to it.
I think a negotiated settlement is the only way to end the violence.
I feel deaply for those who suffer on both sides but no one on the outside like me can do anything to stop it.
northerbrewer 1 year ago
@northerbrewer we cannot, but what was the palestinians option?
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 um peace
mrfreecrack 1 year ago
very good fuck them with rockets direct into thier ass .....the people who distroy houses of other people to built thier own should b treated like that they should b burned in thier houses which r bulit on the dead bodies of childrens n blood of innocent palestanian people i support fire fire more n more rockets.....
sunnykhanjee 1 year ago
Vol. II. p. 711, Theodore Herzl, the founder of Zionism, said that the area of the Jewish State stretches: "From the Brook of Egypt to the Euphrates." The "Brook of Egypt" may be another lesser waterway about 100 miles East of the Nile. Rabbi Fischmann, member of the Jewish Agency for Palestine, declared in his testimony to the UN Special Committee of Enquiry on 9 July 1947: "The Promised Land extends from the River of Egypt up to the Euphrates, it includes parts of Syria and Lebanon."
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 there are many branches for zionism. religious zionism means the belief that jews should have the land promised by god.
theodor herzel was not religious, and he even tried to establish a jewish state in africa. i don't know where you took that "quot" from, but it seems unreliable.
as for the state of israel - the current government is secular, and has no will to conquer the "whole israel" as religious zionists call it.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 everything is unreliable to you, this was the zionist founder. You sure know his intentions since you're a zionist. Hamas wounded 336 soldiers, so they defenitly targeted idf soldiers. So did israel hit civilian population! Israel is invading not hamas, i don't wanna hear the bs that they called people to leave their homes because i know many people who died from trying to leave their homes to others getting attacked. What about QANA? Hezbollah shot rockets after israel kiled civilians
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i know herzel and his intentions, and he never said jews should have the "whole israel", his idea of the jewish state was a small place where jews could go to in times of troubles.
hamas injured soldiers, but not with rockets and mortars. im talking about ballistic attacks.
israel warned people who were close to targets. it's still doesn't mean that israel can completely avoid civilian casualties.
hizballah shot rockets at 9 AM,12 of july..
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 you know what i am talking about when i say qana, hamas definitly injured soldiers with mortars, rpgs, etc bomb traps, they don't have a variety of weopons. Yes israel has uavs which directed the combat troops, i asked a israeli of the hamas rockets, he said they are immiedatly warned and hide in shelter than laugh about hamas. But they use hamas to continue occupying in the west bank and east jerusalem, settlements is mlitary occupation
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 no, i dont know which qana do you mean.
i don't know about any rockets or mortars that were directed towards military targets.
not all troops has an "eye in the sky", and operations not always go the way they were planned to.
yes, israel has a rocket alarm system, but what is that matter? does it's something we should ignore because the chances it will hurt someone are low?
kidi1232 1 year ago
settlers don't even use hamas as an excuse, they use the bible. the IDF is not supporting the settlers, but it is there to make sure that the arabs won't start a war over the settlers and vice versa. as for the legality of the settlements - that is under the government and the police.
"palastinians" use the settlements as an excuse to stop the peace process, as if israel never pulled jews from their homes for an illusion of peace (gaza, sini).
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 when israel destroyed the apartment full of women and children, settlers use the bible? You mean Torah? Jews are different than christianity. Its up to the military to decide whether settlements should be built. AND THEY APPROVE, its not a desicion yet to come, its already happening and has been. Why is nethanyhu thinking of a settlment freeze, o ya that f22 deal if he would extend peace talks.
yohazem1 1 year ago
@kidi1232 You're a pile of shit, then you say if muslims use the quran to recgonize the land as theirs they are non-moderate terrorists. 100percent hypocrite, you must think jews can use the torah to justify settlements because you are the chosen people of god and better than every other nation on earth. If you wanna think that way of your zionist idealogy and continue being hypocrotical don't even bother replying
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i do not think that the bible is a justification to the settlements, i don't think there is a justification to the settlements. where exactly is the qoran says israel belongs to the muslims? as far as i remember it says it belongs to the jews.
but then again, muslims believe the whole world is their own.
by bible i mean tanakh, or "old testament". the decision is not of the army, but of the government. and if the government allows muslims to build wherever they want---
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 "but then again, muslims believe the whole world is their own." What a hate monger. The rest of you're comments are pointless, i already addressed the same thing over and over again. What control do palestinians have? They don't even control the west bank the idf military does, all we have left is gaza and hamas. Where have palestinians built in israel? So the whole reason you went to palestine was because your 3,000 yyear old book tells you its yours. Go back to poland wherever
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i understand now, it's not a poor reading comprehension, its selective understanding. you understand only what suits you, and if it doesn't, you twist it until it suits you. how difficult can the sentence "i do not think that the bible is a justification to the settlements, i don't think there is a justification to the settlements." be? i don't think we returned because of the bible, but because it is our history. put the bible aside, my people has a history of over 3500 years.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 but then again, you prefer to see it as i'm basing my actions on a biased book written 3000 years ago. even if i wanted to return to where my grandfather and grandmother came from - i can't, they won't even let my grandparents to have their property back, not to mention returning.
do you deny that according to the qoran, the whole world should be under islam and the sharia? talking about hate mongering, you are the one who said jews control the US.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 you are the one who said our holy books calls us to treat non-jews unequally (which is a lie, those texts show in the talmud, which is not a holy text but a collection of opinions, how odd is it to find 1 racist among thousands of others?).
the palastinians have the palastinian authority, although in terms of reliability it is far from a government, its still much better than hamas.
where have palastinians built in israel? everywhere. they don't accept or care about the law---
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 the first 2 comments i am not even gonna speak about, palestinians have a lot of history to the area, everywhere? Are you smoking hasheesh? Seriously? Israel is specifically buliding apartments in jerusalem just for jews. And the settlments just are gonna make more people turn against israel and the ruin any chances of peace since israelis elected netanyahu.
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 israel cannot build apartments for jews, arabs can buy them if they want to. everywhere, yes, in the negev desert and in the north. they expand their villages and build illegally in them, they build new villages wherever they want to.
i still don't see the reasons why the settlements don't allow peace talks. they make people turn against israel? and the rockets fired by hamas make people happy? the attacks on innocent jews?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 what do you mean? palestinians build settlements? I dont get what you're saying. The settlements take up land and kick people out of their property, which is the reason it all started. You think hamas is only shooting rockets. They do a lot to idf inside gaza, if you search in arabic you can find these videos
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i don't care how you call it, but palastinians build more illegal buildings than settlers. the settlers don't kick anyone out of their homes, they build new villages where there is nothing, or purchase buildings in arab neighbors and villages, and for some reason, you call that illegal. the reason it all started?! arabs begun killing jews in 1921, there were no settlements back then, only jews who bought lands.
what hamas is doing inside gaza is irrelevant.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 they take up private land, and forced to bulldoze homes. Palestinians don't build anywhere you scum, your all shit talk, how are they gonna built with idf there? Stupid, what arabs again? Palestinians aren't arabs for the last time, let me tell you just end the conversation i am sick of you
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 palastinians aren't arabs? before 1967 no man called himself palastinian. people who call themselves palastinians come from egypt, lebanon, syria and jorden, and some are Bedouins. "palastinians" share the same culture, language, religions, origin, customs and land as the arabs.
if palastinians are not arabs, where did they came from? and how can you distinguish them from arabs?
arabs build in the negev desert, the galilee and illegal building in existing cities and villages.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 phillistines. The military bulldozes the homes for them. You have no proof of building in the negev desert and you except they can do it even though the idf controls those areas and they prpbably aren't loaded with money neither, anyways i am waiting for those wikileaks documents showing israels secrets, its gonna be fun!
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 philistines are a european tribe that came through the sea from the greek islands, they were known for their red hair. defiantly not the people who today call themselves "palastinians".
the military doesn't bulldoze buildings for anyone's request, and settlers don't build on those places.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 right they are cannnites, and it was just reported on cnn palestinain lost their homes, go check it yourself. Yet you have no source of palestinians building which amazes me, wait? that must be occupied territory as well, every building israel builts should be illegal
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 philistines are not cannites, like i said - they are europeans.
palastinians are not cannites either - they are from arab origin, some are egyptians.
like i said before- don't try to say palastinians are nation X, and point at a nation that completely assimilated and vanished. tell me what are the differences between "palastinians" and arabs.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 go look at genetic studies in gaza, which i can't provide unless i was in gaza, they are cannites and have roots, it was the ottaman empire and mandate of palestine if the jews didn't use the holocaust to put international pressure on palestinians to give them a state
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 what genetic studies? unlike you, i provided the names of the studies when i talked about them. if you can't find them, how can i?
even if there was a genetic evidence, there is no historical evidence or cultural evidence. palastinians = arabs.
the palastinians never gave the jews a state, and no one put pressure on them.
neither did the ottaman empire.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 cannites
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 and you say this based on what exactly?
Prof. Azmi bishara (who calls himself "palastinian", was a MK in israel and spied for hizballah, currently lives in lebanon). "there is no such thing as a palastinian nation, only arabic nation".
watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 theres a lot of white people, they aren't all arabs, youtube isn't gonna prove anything, lets see the wikileaks
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 that must be the most stupid comment i have ever seen.
can you please enlighten me, and explain to me what does this comment has to do with mine?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 man haven't i told you to end the debate? We already addressed everything, i don't have time to repeat everything over and over again. What are you trying to achieve? I would never sell my people
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 im trying to see if you write your comments as a respond to what i wrote. so far it looks like you don't.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 like you responded to any of my comments, you just come back with the same old propaganda that i got sick of. If you wanna readdress your point of position, we can do it again
yohazem1 1 year ago
@kidi1232 So what i don't get is the west bank and gaza were never israels land
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i won't talk with you about anything before you will answer my comments. so let me repeat it for you (in case you forgot), after that i will answer your questions:
Prof. Azmi bishara (an arab who calls himself "palastinian", was a MK in israel and spied for hizballah, currently lives in lebanon). "there is no such thing as a palastinian nation, only arabic nation".
watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU
why do you think that makes palastinians different from arabs? and what do you base this theory on.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 so you think palestinians are just a bunch of arabs? Genetic study shows they have levantine ancenstry, mix of lebenese, iranian, egyptian, armenian?
Arnaiz-Villena, A.; Elaiwa, N.; Silvera, C.; Rostom, A.; Moscoso, J.; Gómez-Casado, E.; Allende, L.; Varela, P. et al. (October 2001
yohazem1 1 year ago
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kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 that article ("The Origin of Palestinians and Their Genetic Relatedness With Other Mediterranean Populations") is very unprofessional.
1) it was assumed that the palastinians are decadents of the philistines, without a proof (actually, archeology shows the philistines were europeans)
2) it said philistines controlled jerusalem, which I couldn't find no evidence of.
3) it refers to druze as palastinians (when they a clear lebanese and arabian origin).
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 i am not speaking of phillistenes. and if its unproffesional, let your pros do it. So you're saying israelis are a people, but really they are a bunch of european jews
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 read the article you brought, you found it professional enough and it claims jews are a people.
anyway, we discussed this before - jews are a people who lived in the kingdom of judah and were exiled to europe and north africa. they kept their ethnic differences from the new environments. studied their history and kept living in extremely closed communities. jews are a people with origin, history, culture, customs, language, religion and land.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 doesn't give them right what so ever to occupy land, the immigration should of been illegal, what about irgun or the stern gang? The 1948 war wasn't a attack, israel attacked villages 5 months before the war, they came to defend the part of palestine by the un partition plan. And i still believe caanites are now palestinian arabs
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 but your belief has nothing to back it. the palastinian nation doesn't exist in the pages of history. and no archeological evidence were even found that such nation existed and lived in israel.
the 1948 war was actually begun in 1947, one day after the partition plan was confirmed - on an israeli bus, until 1948 arabs attacked with the help of military groups, and in 1948 with the help of 5 armies.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 ok we got to the point that niether israel or palestine existed, even though it did under british role. Anyways, the jewish terror groups were the first to start attacking people in their villages, lke irgun and whatever, you should know who they are, and if this any other country with a illegal foriegn invasion sucking up your space and land, anybody would revolt
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 the Irgun was established in 1931 as an anti british organization. now let me remind you the arab attacks on jews in 1921 and 1929.
let me also remind you, that until WWII, the immigrants were legal, and they lived in lands they bought.
haaretz is know for its leftist stands, yet i wouldn't say that it never supports the government. i also condemn some of the gov's decisions.
who are you to decide who is a "true jew"?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Jewish immigrants or zionists, only bought 7 percent of the land. Like i said they revolted for the major immigration. Its not me who decides, jewish people tell me this, they tell me that they don't support zionists. My question to you is whats up with these israeli propagandists on yahoo and such constantly crtitizing everyone? Even their race and religion? I hope you do not this manner
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i don't care why they revolted, they used violence on innocent people, with no prior violence from them.
7% of what? the lands which are currently the state of israel? the lands jews lived on? the lands which were supposed to be jewish according to the partition plan? what about lands that no one lives in like the negev desert?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 the lands that jews bought was only 7 percent, they didn't attack innocent people, your gangs started the attacks, but the whole invasion came out of nowhere, they pretty much forced palestinians into being a minority, now its too late, lets see if we get peace on the 6 borders, if not, than israeli pm will be criticized, the thing is they bring context out of the blue's that does not relate to gaza at all
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 again you say "they were 7%" - 7% of what?!?!
yes, they did attacked innocents in 1921&9, and i already told you that the anti british groups you call "gangs" were established years after those attacks.
invasion? jews begun immigrating to israel since 1400. many of the so called "palastinians" came because they wanted to work for the jews.
israel already offered peace agreements based on the 67 borders, and the "palastinians" refused. even when we agreed to split jerusalem.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 they were not just anti-british groups, they attacked many villages and this is known, there were was a minority of jews back then, and it was up until after ww2, what exatcly are these peace agreements? Huh? Tell me the exact ones. Jews only bought 7 percent of land in israel when they immigrated
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 they were anti british groups, that was their top goal. it was only due to arabs aggression they became more and more hateful towards arabs. but like i said, your claim that "jewish gangs attacked arabs and begun the fights" is ridicules.
jews only bought 7% of the land of israel - define the land of israel man - when jews immigrated there were no borders to israel, it was under the ottoman and british regime.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Ask yourself when and why was there arab aggresion? I don't get what you're trying to say in the second part. I wasn't involved in politics when arafat was around, so i need to ask some people, i won't comment on the second part. Ok, antisemtism, the second part about the media makes sense and is sort of true though, but the first part is hyproctical and bias, why does the media portray an action of radicals for the muslim population? BTW, i don't view hamas as an terror organization
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 the arab aggression? it started the moment jews wanted to have a state of their own (which is against the dhimmi laws) in the middle east (which they want to have 100% of it, and they are too greedy about lands to give 0.3% of it). as for a year - it started in ~1917-18 - from the moment israel was in the hands of non-muslims.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 its not about greed, im sorry but you cannot claim to have a holy land, well maybe you think that way but if it was accepted, jews should of accepted a palestinian state from the begining instead of creating their own state. And muslims claim hundreds even thousands years to land just as the jews did awhile back
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i don't see israel as holy. i see it as my historic homeland.
jews did accepted a palastinian state from the beginning (first of all jorden was supposed to be the palastinian state, and later they accepted the partition plan).
i didn't understood the "muslims claim hundred of years to land just as jews" part.
i think you are wrong, most of the jews do want a palastinian state, i don't think you know enough jews to say this. why is it too late for 2 states?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 please show who wants a two-state solution i would be suprised if they accept palestinians in jerusalem, no jordan was not, it owned a bit land supposedly.
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 ok, lets take it one by one:
who wants a 2 states solution? any secular jewish party (from the left extreme to the right extreme).
the british designated the transjorden as a state for the arabs under the mandate.
hamas has it written in it's manifesto "no peace with israel, never". they accepted the 67 borders because of the arab peace plan, which basically means "make one arab state and one arab state with jews in it".
which schools? what?
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 [pt2] israel evacuated settlers before, and we can trade lands where arabs live for jewish settled lands (for example- "the triangle" for X lands in the west bank where jews live.
egyptian schools teach "the protocols of the elders of zion" as a fact. people there hate israel and zionism.
people in gaza should understand that fighting us will only bring them (and us) more suffer. they should understand that all hamas wants is war, and that it doesn't care about its people.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 hamas already accepts 1967 borders, again show me which schools, its not people in gaza fighting with you, they want to end occupation and they did in gaza, not to mention that israel broke the ceasefire and supplied fateh to attack hamas right when they were democratically elected which israel rejects, so that there gives them the right to attack as well as the seige and blockade, again was put right when they got elected
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 if they ended the occupation in gaza, why are they still firing at us?
israel didn't broke the ceasefire, during that "cease fire" hamas fired rockets on us and attempted a terror attack.
israel condemned hamas because, like i said, they deny any international solution that wasn't proposed by them or other arabs, and they promise to keep doing that in their manifesto.
israel put a blockade over gaza because that the only way we stop hamas from firing rockets.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 [pt3] jews aren't politically united and neither zionists, the haganah bombed a ship with irgun members, and today there are many arguments and fights between leftist zionists, right wing zionists and religious zionists.
mossad is just like the CIA, it has no power, it is completely under the control of the government (even more than the army is under the gov's control).
arabs don't speak for al kaeda, but al karda speaks for the arabs and none of them disagree.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Yes zionists in mossad are united, they have the power the goverment gives them and they pull off assainations of your goverments order. What makes you think anyone supports al qaeda? You've never been to an arab country so don't talk, the only thing that makes sense is that they want america out of the middle east, and america funded the group in the first place
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 the zionists in the mossad are simple workers, the government decides for them, and the government is elected by the people (which, like i said, are far from being united). even the government is not united (which is a bad thing because a government needs to be united in order to actually do something).
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i didn't said you support al qaeda, i said you never opposed.
you know, i kinda think america wants out of the mid-east too. but they are there for al qaeda. so why dont you arabs, who wants the USA out, fight aal qaeda so the americans wont have to stay there?
so terror is a word created by zionists? cool.
america didn't help the jews until 67. and you are the guys who invaded, we only came back after a long trip.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 [pt4] the zionists duty was to establish a jewish state (or a state of jews, there is a difference, but i don't want to get into it). but i don't know what is your duty. to help your brothers? how? by destroying israel? by scaring jews and the world with terror attack? by de-legitimizing israel?
or by doing an effort to establish a palastinian state that lives in peace with its jewish state neighbor? fighting israel only brings suffer.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 No one is terrorizing israel, don't use the word terror either, its a filth word created by zionists, if any other peoples experienced the jewish invasion they would revolt before its gets out of control and they lose everyhing, but america had to help you guys, since they have the same evil agenda, helping them i mean supporting thier cause, no i am not speaking of hamas, but the people in general, hamas should have that right, would you object idf's struggle?If they were in one
yohazem1 1 year ago
you must have missed the part wer several arab countrys around israel tryed to illegally and unjustly invade israel with soviet weapons by surprise... its not like they are taking arab land and killing arabs for fun, they are doing it because it is necessary, the arab land they control would and has been used as the front line or stepping stone in a invasion of israel, they stay there to prevent further aggression on their country, and they kill because they are being killed. so.....
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj no arab countries came to get back land under the un partition and thats it
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 so tell me what happened in 67, or 73
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj i told you both for those reasons, why whats your explanation? They hated us so they just atacked us lol
yohazem1 1 year ago
UN didnt give syria, egypt or jordan permittion to do anything, israels land was aquired 100% legally and these arab countrys didnt like it, so they planned to attack in 67, and when israel noticed syria and egypt massing troops near its borders, it attacked in self defence, and then stole the land that these coutnrys would use to attack, in self defence.. the golan and suez are the front doors to israel, and you can be damb sure they going to protect themself? so whats the arab justification?
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj kidi this is you right? Anyways, egypt had gaza like you guys say and jordan was part of it like you guys say. Immigration was illegal, until your own jewish groups made it legal, like the area of jurisdiction and powers ordinance through military control. Its not at all legal, only because the british helped them even though you attacked them, after 1949 700,000 palestinians were expelled or fled from their villages, the immigration was clearly illegal until jewgroups validated it
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 im not jewish, i just studied the issue and i think israel is alot less responsible for this current conflict...
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj good, now answer my questions, or comments shall i say
yohazem1 1 year ago
you keep saying "you" like im a israeli or jew.. so any response would be dumb, cuz you clearly have me mistaken.. i am from the UK and i live in canada.. imigration laws have nothing to do with this current conflict.. it basicly boils down to religion. and all the bad muslims are willing to do because they think their religion justifys it. you think if all the surrounding arab countrys wer 100% athiest this roblem would still exist. no way, arabs kill and die for 1500 year old lies
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj hamas has a poltical charter, you read that, political, if anything none of this has to do with religion, even though jews claimed that god gave them the land, so i don't see your point, appaerantly i think our topic is based on GAZA, stop saying arabs this arabs that. Gaza, the palestinians wouldn't have a problem if they are free, and america and israel would stop interfering in the situation, america has no say, they should be cut out
yohazem1 1 year ago
i know hamas is a political groop, put in charge of gaza when israel gave it back to the palestilians a couple years ago... what i sayd, is what do u think motivates all these people to attack israel, kill themselfs and other innocent people.. i think its cuz muhammad sayd 1500 years ago that israel is a islamic land, and because he sayd a richeous muslim would try and remove all infadels from islamic lands, which most seem to think israel is. who cares bout USA, the arabs all supplied by russia
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj gaza was occupied before israel gave it up.And it wasn't like they were treating us equally. No one attacks israel, its only between palestinians and israel now. Before it was differen't. Muhammad(pbuh) said jeruslaem holds our holy mosques and sites. A infidel is a bad person, not based on his race or religion, christians and jews live in many islamic countries, arab countries are filled with them. You seem brainwashed, the conflict started because of the jewish immigration(mass)
yohazem1 1 year ago
exactly, muhammad sayd jeruslaem holds islamic temples, because at the time he was alive, israel was not run by jews.. and i have seen more then a few videos of muslims attacking innocent people, and never do they say its for imigration reasons... why do u think in every single video of a islamic man attacking a westerner or jew they chant glory to allah right before they attempt to kill them, think what you want, but this is deffently about religion... i bet you believe every word in the koran
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj muhammad has a mosque there, and al aqsa is important to both jews and muslims, you mean during a war? Or when hamas shoots qassam? They say allah akbar because they know they might die so they pray and say ashadu an lah illah ill allah, which that phrase itself will get you to heaven
yohazem1 1 year ago
i know of the mosque, its the one wer he "rose up to the heavens".. its still bullshit tho, and that dont give muslims a right to that land.. and apparently, according to you and islam. its alright to get killed launching missiles at random into innocent citys, long as you say some religious garbage first? do you ever find non religious arabs attacking israel, no. the reason you hear them saying allah akbar is because they are doing it for the lie of allah not for politcal or personal reasons
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj wow you sound like an idiot and an bigot. Muslims had control, or the palestiians for thousands of years like the jews did, look you dumbass, hamas does stuff in retailiation which only killed appartently 9 people in 9 years, so there's a rare channce, but all they did was retaliate. You think you know islam more than me you fool?
yohazem1 1 year ago
hamas usually hide like little girls and launch random rockets or suicide bom themself, so its hard to link the deaths to them directly, and i never sayd i know more about islam then you, i just sayd i know that the #1 reason for 95% of agression against the jews is religious, muslims are indoctrinated from birth into believing their religion is right above all other things, including logic, and this same religion, that you live by, says the jews are evil and israel is muslim land.
101andrewj 1 year ago
@101andrewj no they don't, gaza is a city you moron sharmoot kike hoe, they come out of the city in the midnight when israel first attacked you idiot they live in a ctiy, there is no military bases since israel would destroy them anyway, sucidie bombers are the ones who experienced deaths of loved one, which stopped long ago anyway, um muslims try to teach one another if not then you attempted if someone has questions about islam. Go ask a jew or christian if they think their reiligon is better
yohazem1 1 year ago
@101andrewj As well kid, go look at numbers of dead civilians, or children in gaza alone is a lot. Look at the whole history of dead palestinian children from israel. Just like the russian invaded chechyna to aquire mountains, and look at the sources and see how many chechen children and civilains died, Facist goverments like that believe they have a right to invade anybody and blame resistance as an terror act. Enough with that bullshit. Then they say civilians died from collateral damage
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i think the people fight should not be agaisnt the idf, but against hamas and other extremists.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 im trying as hard as i can not to generalize muslims or arabs. but like i already told you, i have never talked to an arab who agrees to have a jewish state next to a palastinian state. not even a single one.
as for anti-semitism, the fact you believe it makes sense is anti-semitism, that origins in the faked document called "the protocols of the elders of zion". on it hitler based his hate, and it is being sold and taught in many arab countries.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 I think me and you can agree that jews don't agree to a palestinian state next to it. Its too late for a two-state solution, especially with the people settled in the areas, it seems like palestinians are wokring towards gaining control of their west bank including east jeruslaem. Arabic countries aren't radicial, i've been to the UAE and Eygpt, people in gaza experience the siege and war, so you shouldn't speak for them, they know more than us, and put yourself in their shoes
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 look - you believe it, even though you weren't really given any evidence.
you may find that there are many jews in the media industry, but that still doesn't mean they control it. jews are far from being politically united, and if i was told that there is a nation that "runs" and control the world, jews would be my last guess.
talking about the media, it shows the actions of radicals, because the moderate ones don't criticize or acting against those radicals....
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Jews aren't politically united but it seems most zionists are. Again arabs won't speak for al qaeda, no one really understands what al qaeda is, they do, good muslims speak for palestinians, some don't agree with hamas, but i am a resident to gaza, and your terrorist is my freedom fighter, there is still religous love, or looking over your brothers, it makes me cry just thinking of my cousins just as jews around the world felt for the holocaust
yohazem1 1 year ago
@kidi1232 jews aren't poltically united, but zionists are, mossad is full of zionists they get power to do what they want. No one really knows what al qaeda is, arabs don't speak for al qaeda, but palestinains are our brothers, we have to help them, me personally am resident to gaza, i hold big pride for my cousins and people, not everybody speaks for hamas, but for the palestinians, its sort of accountable just like zionists had sought its a duty to make a jewish state
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 [pt5]
if hamas used it's money from iran, europe, israel and the USA to build a successful palastinian state in gaza (and not to buy weapons and munitions), the people of gaza wouldn't suffer from any war, blockades or bad economy.
when the palastinian people would do more to establish a palastinian state, than they do to destroy the jewish one - there will be peace.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 Again, hamas was condemned right when they got elected, unfortunately countries seemed to fear america, which both them and israel goverments are cowards, we don't fear niether of you, hamas rarely gets money in aid, wat millions? What is that gonna do huh? Maybe if israel wouldn't attack infrastructure then we would built another college or airport or hospital,
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 "i and the public know, what all school children learn. those to whom evil is done, tend to do evil in return" - Audin
101andrewj 1 year ago
@yohazem1 like i said, hamas was condemned because of his manifesto, and i assure you - you would condemn them too if you would read it.
hamas rarely gets money and aids? what about 14,000 tonns that goes through israeli border control every week? how about over a billion dollars in 2009 alone?
no, hamas should not build hospicals nor airports, it needs to build factories, that will increase employment and exporting.
not fearing israel is not bravery, it's stupidity.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@kidi1232 pm me all this, it would make it easier okay, just copy paste it and pm, i don't wanna go through this comment pending crap
yohazem1 1 year ago
@yohazem1 i have more to say but i have to go, i will be back and continue within 7-8 hours.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 oh, the peace agreements that was offered by Ehud Barak in 2000 (camp david). Barak (who was the PM), offered to give back 100% of the gaza, and 91% of the west bank (93% including east jerusalem). he offered a complete islamic control over the temple mount.
Yasser Arafat simply walked away. later, he claimed israel made the negotiation fail, but everyone else who were in the meeting said he is responsible for it.
kidi1232 1 year ago
@yohazem1 as for anti semitism.
there is a difference between criticizing the judaism or the jewish people, and saying antisemitic claims.
for example, you cannot accuse jews or judaism for the actions of individuals.
you cannot base your comments on jewish stereotypes - for example "jews are filthy rich, the steal others money and they control the media and government".
these are just few examples. hope you understood the difference.
kidi1232 1 year ago